From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 1 13:44:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA13194 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:35:08 -0400 Received: from ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA13188 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:34:57 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01548; Sat, 1 Jul 95 13:40:18 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 34171W Sat, 1 Jul 1995 17:31:36 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: REPOST: Other Sonics (was: Re: Other Sonics #1-need Ch. 1) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 15:46:10 GMT Message-Id: <95070113313648536@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net long repost snipped, with gratitude to the reposter... THanks for reposting... now I can try to continue. rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 20:58:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16589 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 20:34:04 -0400 Received: from email.MT.GOV by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16579; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 20:33:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199507040033.UAA16579@sard.mv.net> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 3-Jul-1995 17:33:58 -0400; at mhs01.ngm01 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:33:03 -0600 To: sonic@sard.mv.net, Kats@sard.mv.net, apc-open@uunet.uu.net, framers@uunet.uu.net, info-vm@uunet.uu.net From: Olga.Kosmina@Dekabristov_St.5-178.Kiev-253121.Ukraine.UA Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads ## meet women of the former USSR through romance ads ## Months ago, Olga Kosmina placed my personal ad in several papers of the former Soviet Union. Since that time I have received over 40 responses for the $50 I mailed Olga. (I believe she paid the newspapers something around $35 and kept the rest for her efforts.) I have found greater success and savings by placing my own personal romance advertisement rather than purchasing addresses through Russian "bride" catalog companies. If you are interested in placing a personal romance ad as I did, contact Olga. She has built up a list of most every newspaper and magazine in the former Soviet Union and could help direct your ad to certain areas if you wish. She writes, "please say that I place all ad _throughout_ Russia and other countries of former Soviet Union, not only Western Russia." Olga is 23 years old, has a bachelors in biology and works full-time as a florist in Kiev. She speaks, reads and writes English as well as her native languages of Russian and Ukrainian. I realize that it is a very trusting person who would put $ into an envelope and mail to a foreign country. If you would rather send a letter of inquiry first, Olga will respond to your questions. It takes about 16 days for a letter to travel from the USA to Kiev. Olga Kozmina Dekabristov Street 5 - 178 Kiev 253121 Ukraine I have found that by placing a single bill between two pieces of newsprint inside an envelope, the Ukrainian post cannot see through and does not bother to tamper. I have yet to lose a letter sent to Kiev. I am sorry that Olga does not have e-mail because it would make contact with her much easier. I am posting anonymously because of the inordinate amount of e-mail which I would receive -- inquiries as well as flames. Best Wishes, David and Olga Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette," she believes that helping others exceeds the cost of angering those who feel the net should not be used in this fashion. IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site. peace. . . From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 22:49:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17670 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:48:10 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17660; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:47:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: ok, all fixed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Now you have to be on the list to post. I hate when that happens. Sorry about the spam. The powers that be (me and Erich) are doing what we can to prevent that kind of crap from happening. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 23:20:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17670 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:48:10 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17660; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:47:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: ok, all fixed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Now you have to be on the list to post. I hate when that happens. Sorry about the spam. The powers that be (me and Erich) are doing what we can to prevent that kind of crap from happening. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 13:56:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA04720 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:37:32 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA04696 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:37:05 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA09822; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:30:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 06:49:16 +1000 From: Chris Baird To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? Sonic #26 has just arrived at my section of space-- it's nice when your orders appear within a few months of the cover date. :) In this month's iss, the Freedom Fighters are cooling off by a lake [Otaku/FAQ note: Sonic has a "Hydro-sonic" speed, fast enough to run across water, like a basilisk] when Robotnik starts up a weather machine that causes a sudden summer's day snow storm. The FFs take refuge in a cave system, where they discover a few Arctic Mobians who have been hiding underground to avoid discovery by Robotnik. One of the group is Erma, and it's my guess she's an Ermine after looking at the other characters' names and her brown and white pelt. The funny thing is, Erma looks a lot (a _real_ lot) like Sally-- the face and tapering muzzle, the long cylindrical body, the relatively small ears, the brown (at least during summer) pelt. So maybe the Princess could possibly be of mustel heritage too... Hmm. My personal bias says she could be a European Weasel. :) The Americas have a critter called the "Short-tailed Weasel", right? Maybe Sally wears those boots constantly to hide she's a Black- Footed Ferret. :) (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic linage with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) -- Chris "Weird Hypothesis Guy" Baird,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 18:43:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09304 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:34:04 -0400 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09290 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:33:42 -0400 Received: from scorch.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA09340 for sard.mv.com!sonic; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 08:33:34 +1000 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au by scorch.hna.com.au with smtp tap_id root (Smail 3.1.28.1 #10) id m0sTZ3b-000W66C; Thu, 6 Jul 95 04:20 EST Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id EAA11898; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 04:24:24 +1000 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 04:24:24 +1000 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Message-Id: <199507051824.EAA11898@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? Organization: Otaku R Us Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sonic #26 has just arrived at my section of space-- it's nice when your orders appear within a few months of the cover date. :) In this month's iss, the Freedom Fighters are cooling off by a lake [Otaku/FAQ note: Sonic has a "Hydro-sonic" speed, fast enough to run across water, like a basilisk] when Robotnik starts up a weather machine that causes a sudden summer's day snow storm. The FFs take refuge in a cave system, where they discover a few Arctic Mobians who have been hiding underground to avoid discovery by Robotnik. One of the group is Erma, and it's my guess she's an Ermine after looking at the other characters' names and her brown and white pelt. The funny thing is, Erma looks a lot (a _real_ lot) like Sally-- the face and tapering muzzle, the long cylindrical body, the relatively small ears, the brown (at least during summer) pelt. So maybe the Princess could possibly be of mustel heritage too... Hmm. My personal bias says she could be a European Weasel. :) The Americas have a critter called the "Short-tailed Weasel", right? Maybe Sally wears those boots constantly to hide she's a Black- Footed Ferret. :) (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic linage with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) -- Chris "Weird Hypothesis Guy" Baird,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 19:00:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09174 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:24:26 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09164 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:24:03 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA25977; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:04:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Welcome to Sonic and Sonic Digest Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net SONIC THE HEDGEHOG: INTERNET DENIZENS FOR A FREE MOBIUS (sonic@lists.mv.net and sonic-digest@lists.mv.net) Welcome to the only mailing lists that are Way Past Cool: Sonic the Hedgehog (tm) ! In these mailing lists, we discuss the comic books and cartoons based on SEGA (tm)'s Sonic the Hedgehog, and help free Mobius from the evil Dr. Robotnik. There are two versions of the Sonic mailing list. One is "live" and the other is a digest. You may change your subscription status from "live" to digest or from digest to "live" at any time. If you decide to change your subscription status, be sure that you unsubscribe from the version you don't want anymore, or you will be subscribed to both versions and receive all messages twice. See "How to Change Your Status" below for more information. To post to the list, send your messages to sonic@lists.mv.net. This address applies to both versions of the list. If you feel you must flame someone (other than Robotnik (g) ), please do so in mail directly to that person. You may post information and opinions related to the characters and stories in the Sonic comics and cartoons. Fan-written stories are welcome too. 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Just ftp to ftp.hff.rat.org and go to /pub/sonic. Upload files to /incoming; all uploads are subject to approval. You will find sounds, images, list archives, and a variety of information. Users without regular ftp access may use ftpmail. Please contact the list manager if you need help locating a ftpmail server. Other Internet Resources ======================== rec.games.video.sega / alt.sega.genesis Two Usenet groups for discussion of Sonic the Hedgehog and other games from SEGA. Use these groups instead of this mailing list if you want to discuss the Sonic games, get codes/cheats, etc. rec.arts.animation A Usenet group for discussion of animated cartoons. Please read that group's FAQ before posting there. alt.binaries.pictures.cartoons / alt.toon-pics Two Usenet groups for posting image files related to cartoons. The a.b.p.c group was intended to replace the a.t-p group. Some sites will carry one of them, some will carry both of them, and many sites don't carry either of them. alt.binaries.sounds.cartoons A Usenet group for posting digitized sound files related to cartoons. This group is not widely propogated. WWW The mailing list has a companion Web site with information, images, and links to Sonic-related newsgroups and other Web sites. You'll find it at http://www.hff.rat.org/sonic/ . Many thanks to Ratman (Paul Hurley) for giving us a virtual Knothole. The list manager is Erich Schulman who can be reached by e-mail at sonic@rat.org. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sonic the Hedgehog" and "Sega" are registered trademarks of SEGA of America. The Sonic mailing list is an independent service not owned or operated by Sega, and not affiliated with Sega. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 19:13:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09437 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:50:29 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09429; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:50:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:50:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? In-Reply-To: <199507051824.EAA11898@brushtail.hna.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Thu, 6 Jul 1995 list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au wrote: > (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic > linage with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-P I say that Sally is in a species of her own native to Mobius. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 19:58:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA09984 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 19:43:27 -0400 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA09977 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 19:43:16 -0400 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux4.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux4.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.124]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA79283 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:43:14 -0500 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux4.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA17882; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:43:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:43:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199507052343.SAA17882@linux4.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic #26 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Dear friends CB: (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic linage with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) And what's wrong with being a mouse/rat?! :-) - Juan F. Lara, NIMH fan :-) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 22:13:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11140 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:06:02 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11135 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:05:52 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA04034; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:59:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic #26 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. Direct mail replies to the author should be sent to mad@mv.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: White Trash To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic #26 On Wed, 5 Jul 1995 lara@physics.utexas.edu wrote: > Dear friends > > CB: (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic linage > with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) > > And what's wrong with being a mouse/rat?! :-) > > - Juan F. Lara, NIMH fan :-) > Be careful, you may insult rat. :-) // | Amiga 2000HD/40MB HDD/5MB RAM | Mike Dugas | // | VSD 386DX/25/1.2GB HDD/4MB RAM | White Trash | \\ // | VSD 386DX/40/1.2GB HDD/8MB RAM |----------------------------| \\/ |----------------------------------| root@earth.NAUG.ORG | ---------| Only Amiga made it possible... | mad@mv.MV.COM | `----------------------------------'`---------------------------' From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 22:25:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11132 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:05:04 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11127 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:04:54 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA04008; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:58:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. Direct mail replies to the author should be sent to mad@mv.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:56:49 -0400 (EDT) From: White Trash To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Ratman wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jul 1995 list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au wrote: > > > (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic > > linage with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) > > HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > :-P > I say that Sally is in a species of her own native to Mobius. > I have to agree. // | Amiga 2000HD/40MB HDD/5MB RAM | Mike Dugas | // | VSD 386DX/25/1.2GB HDD/4MB RAM | White Trash | \\ // | VSD 386DX/40/1.2GB HDD/8MB RAM |----------------------------| \\/ |----------------------------------| root@earth.NAUG.ORG | ---------| Only Amiga made it possible... | mad@mv.MV.COM | `----------------------------------'`---------------------------' From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 22:43:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11237 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:22:27 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11232 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:22:17 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA04755; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:16:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic #26 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, White Trash wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jul 1995 lara@physics.utexas.edu wrote: > > > Dear friends > > > > CB: (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic linage > > with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) > > > > And what's wrong with being a mouse/rat?! :-) They don't have the best reputation among humans, but that doesn't mean there is anything inherently wrong with them. And, besides, just think of all the mice and rats who make the supreme sacrifice for scientific research. On Mobius, all the species seem to get along together pretty well. A place where a rodent can be a rodent without shame. > > - Juan F. Lara, NIMH fan :-) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And you know via e-mail why I've got to stick up for rodents ;-) (The rest of you can scan the May and June archives if you're curious.) > Be careful, you may insult rat. :-) So where did he go? He's not come out to defend rats. If he went to Mobius, he forgot to bring me along. :-) |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 23:13:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11770 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:58:53 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11765 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:58:34 -0400 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA19248 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:58:31 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA08651 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:58:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199507060258.WAA08651@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 22:58:29 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Erich Schulman" at Jul 5, 95 09:58:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 781 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Princess Sally a weasel???? Well, maybe if Manak keeps drawing her the way he does... later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 15:51:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA23590 for sonic-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 15:42:34 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA23584 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 15:42:22 -0400 Received: from sun-10.cae.wisc.edu (sun-10.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.186]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA28343 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 14:42:15 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-10.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id OAA08619 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 14:42:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199507061942.OAA08619@sun-10.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? (fwd) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 14:42:14 CDT In-Reply-To: ; from "Erich Schulman" at Jul 5, 95 1:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > Sonic #26 has just arrived at my section of space-- it's nice > when your orders appear within a few months of the cover date. :) > > In this month's iss, the Freedom Fighters are cooling off by a lake > [Otaku/FAQ note: Sonic has a "Hydro-sonic" speed, fast enough to run > across water, like a basilisk] when Robotnik starts up a weather > machine that causes a sudden summer's day snow storm. The FFs take > refuge in a cave system, where they discover a few Arctic Mobians > who have been hiding underground to avoid discovery by Robotnik. > One of the group is Erma, and it's my guess she's an Ermine after > looking at the other characters' names and her brown and white pelt. > > The funny thing is, Erma looks a lot (a _real_ lot) like Sally-- the > face and tapering muzzle, the long cylindrical body, the relatively > small ears, the brown (at least during summer) pelt. So maybe the > Princess could possibly be of mustel heritage too... Hmm. My guess is that Manak tried to extrapolate from existing character designs in order to create Erma and some of the others. This way they'd all 'fit together' artistically. [I'm assuming Erma is supposed to be a weasel of sorts] The Wolf Pack in Sonic's 2nd season Saturday TV show was a good example of making a new character's design 'fit in' properly. That, by the way, was one of my only complaints about the Princess Sally miniseries. All the new character designs, although good, didn't seem consistant with original characters. [An extreme case of this would be if Prince Valiant introduced a new character which looked like someone from Peanuts... now that would be weird.] -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 238 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 19:44:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA26836 for sonic-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 19:31:04 -0400 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA26823 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 19:30:40 -0400 Received: from scorch.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA24880 for sard.mv.com!sonic; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 09:30:31 +1000 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au by scorch.hna.com.au with smtp tap_id root (Smail 3.1.28.1 #10) id m0sTw7s-000VwkC; Fri, 7 Jul 95 04:58 EST Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA19506; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 05:04:02 +1000 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 05:04:02 +1000 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Message-Id: <199507061904.FAA19506@brushtail.hna.com.au> Subject: Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? In-reply-to: rat@sard.mv.net's message of 6 Jul 1995 18:20:27 +1000 References: <199507051824.EAA11898@brushtail.hna.com.au> Apparently-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >> (Face it, the squirrel idea implies the princess shares a genetic >> linage with mice and rats. Bleegh. :P :) Ratman: > HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-P > I say that Sally is in a species of her own native to Mobius. Sore loser. :) Is there any chance the uploader of the miles*.gif pics could do scans of Erma and place them on hff.mv.com for a week or so until this controversy passes? Another rave: Apologies to anyone, but saying that Princess Sally is a Fox or part-Fox is just the /biggest/ reach! There's the absence of a sizable tail and dark markings on the limbs, the colour of her pelt (who ever saw a milk-chocolate fl^H^Hcoloured fox?), and all foxes' irises turn yellow after infancy. Nope, no way, not ever, not never... -- Chris Baird,, "..get a Life you two!" -- The purple skunk at the Sonic convention a few issues back. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 19:58:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA26814 for sonic-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 19:28:59 -0400 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA26808 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 19:28:47 -0400 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux2.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux2.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.122]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA27734 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 18:28:45 -0500 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux2.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA24933; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 18:28:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 18:28:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199507062328.SAA24933@linux2.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic, #26, Princess Sally Miniseries Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Dear friends Rat: Cool! did you read the books? Yeah, I've read all three. But I'm a big fan of the movie. My personal favorite animated movie. ES: And you know via e-mail why I've got to stick up for rodents ;-) Like I said, cute squirrel. :-) ES: On Mobius, all the species seem to get along together pretty well. A place where a rodent can be a rodent without shame. In the Princess Sally mini-series, Hamlin and Geoffrey made swipes at each other that referred to each other's species. But other than that the characters aren't very conscious about their species. DYN: Actually, most of the time no one species is prevalent. There was the Wolf Pack, the Dragon nest, and the hyena gang in the series. But besides those instances, there's usually not more than two sentient beings of the same species present. JF: All the new character designs, although good, didn't seem consistant with original characters. I noticed that none of the new characters had "stick figure physique" designs like the characters once had in the beginning of the comic book. Personally, I'm glad that they're moving away from that style. See ya around. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 22:14:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28168 for sonic-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 21:47:55 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28162 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 21:47:44 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA03500; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 21:41:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 21:41:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic, #26, Princess Sally Miniseries In-Reply-To: <199507062328.SAA24933@linux2.ph.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Thu, 6 Jul 1995 lara@physics.utexas.edu wrote: > In the Princess Sally mini-series, Hamlin and Geoffrey made swipes at > each other that referred to each other's species. But other than that the > characters aren't very conscious about their species. Also, if you assume Sally is indeed a squirrel, she would be in danger with Tails and Antoine (foxes) around unless the various species get along as well as they do. Squirrels and foxes don't make a viable combination on Earth. > DYN: Actually, most of the time no one species is prevalent. There was > the Wolf Pack, the Dragon nest, and the hyena gang in the series. But besides > those instances, there's usually not more than two sentient beings of the same > species present. But, due to Robuttnik, there aren't many of any species left. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 22:43:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28623 for sonic-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:43:23 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28618 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:43:12 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA118084960; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:42:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:42:40 -0400 Message-Id: <950706223812_109519670@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally-- a Weasel?? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-05 19:21:29 EDT, you write: >I say that Sally is in a species of her own native to Mobius. I'd have to disagree. Considering that all the other characters are based on animals here on Earth, whoever thought up Princess Sally probably based her on some Earth animal also. (There's only one exception that I've seen so far: Dulcy. This, however, can be explained because dragons have been a popular mythical character for a long time.) The easiest way to settle this is to simply ask the person who created her. -B.B. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 23:02:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28548 for sonic-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:26:41 -0400 Received: from mv.mv.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28543 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:26:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:26:28 -0400 (EDT) From: White Trash To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic, #26, Princess Sally Miniseries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2 wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jul 1995 lara@physics.utexas.edu wrote: > > > In the Princess Sally mini-series, Hamlin and Geoffrey made swipes at > > each other that referred to each other's species. But other than that the > > characters aren't very conscious about their species. > > Also, if you assume Sally is indeed a squirrel, she would be in danger > with Tails and Antoine (foxes) around unless the various species get > along as well as they do. Squirrels and foxes don't make a viable > combination on Earth. > That seems to be the current issue, whether they really get along that well (which in this case, they don't.). // | Amiga 2000HD/40MB HDD/5MB RAM | Mike Dugas | // | VSD 386DX/25/1.2GB HDD/4MB RAM | White Trash | \\ // | VSD 386DX/40/1.2GB HDD/8MB RAM |----------------------------| \\/ |----------------------------------| root@earth.NAUG.ORG | ---------| Only Amiga made it possible... | mad@mv.MV.COM | `----------------------------------'`---------------------------' From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 00:44:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA29534 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:29:59 -0400 Received: from tibalt.supernet.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA29525 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:29:34 -0400 Received: from [204.209.1.33] (rd-p1.supernet.ab.ca) by tibalt.supernet.ab.ca with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA084901342; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:29:02 -0600 X-Sender: sologar@mailhost.supernet.ab.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:31:49 +0100 To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: sologar@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca (Tarl Hoch) Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok, I couldn't help it any longer. Your polite argument has gained my attention. Sally is a fox!!!! Her father is a fox, and her nephew Tails is a fox. To Chris Bajrd, yes Sally lackes the fur colour and markings, but so are Tails and her father. They both have the large tails, and the right colour, but admit it, Sally would look terrible with a huge tail. If you continue to call Sally anything but a fox, you're making a comparison not unlike calling Sonic a warthog even though Uncle Chuck is a hedgehog. : p To the other people, she looks nothing like a weasel or a rat! Even though in one of the Sonic comics, I think it was his special one, a person wrote in asking Sally 's species. They replied that she was a ground squirrel. But as stated in the above paragraph, there are too many odvious features showing she is a fox. I can't beleive Antoine is a fox, it can't be possible. How could they insult foxes so? Of course he could be, but I think a poodle suits him. Is there any one out there that likes him? To the uploader of this controversy, keep it here for I want to see how this ends! - Tarl Hoch From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 07:44:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01826 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:27:10 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01815 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:26:57 -0400 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA29364 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:26:54 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA28367 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:26:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199507071126.HAA28367@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:26:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Tarl Hoch" at Jul 6, 95 10:31:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2930 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Ok, I couldn't help it any longer. Your polite argument has > gained my attention. Sally is a fox!!!! Her father is a fox, and her > nephew Tails is a fox. To Chris Bajrd, yes Sally lackes the fur colour and > markings, but so are Tails and her father. They both have the large tails, > and the right colour, but admit it, Sally would look terrible with a huge > tail. If you continue to call Sally anything but a fox, you're making a > comparison not unlike calling Sonic a warthog even though Uncle Chuck is a > hedgehog. : p Ummm...as somebody pointed out a long time ago, Sally is *not* Tails' aunt. Remember that in the cartoon series, he also called Bunnie "Aunt Bunnie", and everybody called Sir Charles "Uncle Chuck." And, as somebody else pointed out a while back, the Archie people themselves have said that she is a squirrel. Now, I know that doesn't hold water with many people :), but they are the ones who write and draw her, so their's is a strong opinion, at any rate. > But as stated in the above paragraph, there are too many odvious > features showing she is a fox. And there's too many features that make her a squirrel as well! The shape of her face and head being the biggest one of all. > I can't beleive Antoine is a fox, it can't be possible. How could > they insult foxes so? Of course he could be, but I think a poodle suits > him. Is there any one out there that likes him? Ahem...ze ansahr being yez. There's a lot to Antoine I think that we never see since he is only used for comic relief most of the time. But think about it: He has a hopeless crush on Sally, is always trying to prove himself to her and the rest of the Freedom Fighters, and is still always coming up short and feeling ashamed because of it. With what I've seen in my life, I can certainly relate to that. As for being an insult to his species...I don't think so. You could say Tails is also (foxes flying?? HA! [not my true opinion]) or even the mascot for the Fox Kids Network (that goofy little thing?? HA! [again, not my true opinion]), but really I don't see how you can say any person, real or ficticious, is an insult to their species, even tho' some people do admittedly come close. :) later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 08:45:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02241 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:29:09 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02233 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:28:56 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07720; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:28:49 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA05263; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:28:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9507071228.AA05263@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:28:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199507071126.HAA28367@acmex.gatech.edu> from "Robin Hood" at Jul 7, 95 07:26:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > > I can't beleive Antoine is a fox, it can't be possible. How could > > they insult foxes so? Of course he could be, but I think a poodle suits > > him. Is there any one out there that likes him? > Ahem...ze ansahr being yez. There's a lot to Antoine I think that we never > see since he is only used for comic relief most of the time. But think about > it: He has a hopeless crush on Sally, is always trying to prove himself to > her and the rest of the Freedom Fighters, and is still always coming up short > and feeling ashamed because of it. > -- > *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** > Speaking as the "someone" who theoretically nailed down the question of Sally's species in the FAQ File, I've come to accept that the "Sally is a fox" crowd simply will not yield. As for Antoine, you might want to check out the two latest Teitelbaum novellas [_Fortress of Fear_ and _Friend or Foe?_]. While Teitelbaum manages to get the hang of Sonic's argot to a greater degree, Antoine is NOT reduced to comedy relief with a funny accent. He seems to want to emerge as a character in his own right, and a sympathetic character at that. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. 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Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 09:15:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02506 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:58 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02494 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:38 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07947; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:31 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA05646; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9507071247.AA05646@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net NOTICE: The fact that episode and story summaries appear here means there is a good chance that you will encounter spoilers. This is your only notice! II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE 1. First Season: 1993-94 Super Sonic Writer: Jules Dennis When Nicole malfunctions, Sonic and Sally go to Robotropolis to get replacement parts. While there, they discover the Forbidden Zone and a being named Lezar. Lezar causes Sonic to lose his speed abilities, and teaches him that he can still accomplish things without it. Sonic Boom Writer: Len Janson While on a mission in Robotropolis, Sally intercepts a message which includes the use of her father's pet name for her. They follow the lead to the Dark Swamp and the remains of Ironlock Prison. In the process, a freedom fighter named Cat is captured. The freedom fighters gain maps to Robotropolis, but the search for Sally's father proves futile. Sonic and Sally Writers: Pat Allee and Ben Hurst Before becoming the principle writers for the second season, Allee and Hurst wrote this account of Sally's capture by Robotnik's forces. Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Back in Knothole, Tails begins to doubt Sally's behavior because of small details, such as how she reads a bedtime story. After first dismissing Tails' fears, Sonic also comes to realizes he's been dealing with a "Stepford Sally." Hooked on Sonics Writer: Randy Rogel In an attempt to impress Sally, Antoine tries to capture Robotnik by himself. He attempts to lure Robotnik into the open with the offer of a power ring, but Antoine is himself captured and Sonic has to rescue him. Ultra Sonic Writer: David Villaire While on a raid in Robotropolis, Sonic finds his Uncle Chuck as a robot worker in a crystal mine. Uncle Chuck recovers his mind and will long enough to help destroy a giant crystal which would have damaged the ecosystem of the entire planet. As Uncle Chuck loses control of his will, Sonic vows to return for him. Sonic's Nightmare Writer: Frank Santopadre The freedom fighters are captured and held on a deserted island refinery. Sonic must not only rescue them but he also has to deal with a recurring nightmare where he unable to prevent Sally's being roboticized. Warp Sonic Writer: Matt Uitz The freedom fighters discover an underground civilization called Lower Mobius and one of its citizens, Griff. Lower Mobius draws energy from a power crystal, but it is weakening. Feigning friendship, Griff visits Knothole and steals the power stone which is the source of the power rings. After fighting off some mechanical rats, the power stone is retrieved. Griff apologizes for his theft and is given a portion of the stone to aid Lower Mobius. Harmonic Sonic Writer: David Villaire After Robotnik launches a robot-manned orbiting space station to locate Knothole, the Knothole freedom fighters use a rocket booster to reach and destroy it. Sonic and the Secret Scrolls Writer: Janis Diamond The freedom fighters journey to Mauga (sp?) to recover some legendary scrolls, but Robotnik is tailing them. Robotnik's ship is hurled off a plateau by a violent wind, and the Knothole gang mistakenly believe he is finished. Will they make the same mistake at the end of the second season? Sub-Sonic Writer: Barbara Slade Sonic discovers a stream of water that makes plants grow at a fantastic rate. In their search for the source, the Knothole gang discover a subterranean creature whose habitat has been disturbed by Robotnik's drilling operations. Heads or Tails Writer: Len Janson On a raid of Robotropolis, Sonic runs into Muttski, his now- roboticized pet dog and vows to return him to normal someday. The freedom fighters also have to contend with a squadron of Buzzbombers carrying an orange defoliant [Agent Orange? Hmmmm...] intent on destroying the Great Forest and exposing Knothole. Artwork in this ep is decidedly off-model. Sonic Past Cool Writers: Kayte Kuch & Sheryl Scarborough Tails finds a baby terrapod and the freedom fighters escort the terrapod herd to Boulder Bay, where they will be safe from Robotnik. Sonic Racer Writer: Len Janson While on a mission to disable Robotnik's power generators, Sonic is tempted into participating in a contest against a super-fast robot designed to capture him. While he engages the bot, Bunnie, Sally and Antoine go after their target: Robotnik's back-up generator. 2. Second Season: 1994-95 Game Guy Sonic rescues someone from capture by Robotnik; he turns out to be Ari, a freedom fighter from another group. Ari directs Sonic to a place which turns out to be a trap. Sonic manages to escape (after Robotnik toys with him), but Ari--whose comrades were roboticized and who was himself deceived by Robotnik--is sucked into the Void. Before falling into the Void, Ari says something about a list of other freedom fighters. Sonic Conversion To my way of thinking, THE breakthrough episode for the series! The Knothole gang test a deroboticizing process on Bunnie, whose partially-roboticized body is returned to normal. Sonic then goes after Uncle Chuck and is able to convince him to undergo the process. However, the process turns out to be only temporary as, in a poignant scene, Bunnie reverts to a half-robot. When Uncle Chuck reverts to robotic form, he captures Tails and Antoine for delivery to Robotnik; Sonic confronts him and manages to break the hold on Uncle Chuck's mind. Uncle Chuck returns to Robotropolis to work as a spy for the Knothole gang. No Brainer Sonic's thought processes are temporarily scrambled while on a mission in Robotropolis. Taking advantage of the situation, Snively convinces Sonic that they are friends. The disruption wears off just as the Knothole gang face imminent capture. Blast to the Past (two parts) Dulcy takes Sonic and Sally to a floating island where they use the Time Stones to return to Mobotropolis on the eve of the planet's conquest by Dr. Robotnik (then known as Julian, affiliated with the War Ministry and supposedly in charge of its dismantling). They also encounter themselves as 5-year-olds and learn that it was Sonic's Uncle Chuck who had perfected the roboticizer process in the first place, though Julian/Robotnik stole the process. Sally and Sonic work to keep their child selves from being roboticized, to prevent the Great Forest from being destroyed, and to make sure that Sally's nanny, Rosie, would not get captured. Fed Up With Antoine/Ghost Busted (back to back episodes) Feeling unappreciated, Antoine allows himself to be made "king" by a group of renegades, unaware that with the office comes the "honor" of being an entree./While out camping, Sonic's ghost story panics Tails, and Antoine once more demonstrates his ineptitude. Dulcy Dulcy begins having overpowering urges to fly to Dragonsnest, a nesting site for female dragons. She, Sonic and Sally, arrive just as Robotnik has captured another female dragon; they then discover the dragon's egg inside Dragonsnest. Taking the egg back to Knothole, they rescue the female dragon who returns in time to hatch the egg. The Void Sonic discovers an opening to the Void while out in the "Great Unknown" [another name for the Forbidden Zone?]. Sally and Bunnie are put under a spell and pulled into the Void by a sorcerer named Naugus, who had been imprisoned there years before by Robotnik and who needs Sonic's speed to escape. Sonic learns what has happened from Nicole and allows himself to be pulled into the Void. Attempting to rescue Sally and Bunnie, he is tricked into rescuing what he thinks is Sally's father but is really Naugus. Sonic returns to the Void and finds not only Sally and Bunnie but the King and Ari as well. He brings them all out, but Naugus and the King have spent so much time in the Void that their bodies cannot handle living on Mobius. Naugus breaks off his tormenting of Robotnik, and Sally's father gives her the list of other resistance groups. On the whole, Sally goes through the emotional rollercoaster ride of her life. The Odd Couple/Ro-Becca (back to back episodes) After a crash landing by Dulcy leaves Sonic homeless he moves in with Antoine, who predictably gets bent out of shape by Sonic's lifestyle./Rotor cobbles together a robot which develops the hots for Antoine. Cry of the Wolf The Knothole freedom fighters search for and discover the Wolf Pack, the remnants of an ancient race who are now one of the other resistance groups. After several unsuccessful attempts to destroy a test pod from the Doomsday Project, Sonic draws it into a lightning storm and destroys it. Drood Henge Sonic and Tails discover an archaeological dig by Robotnik; they learn from Nicole that the object of the search is the Deep Power Stones, and that Robotnik has recovered one of the two. Tails comes up with a plan to retrieve the second stone before Robotnik can get to it. Spyhog On the eve of final preparations of the Doomsday project, Robotnik begins to suspect that there is a spy in his midst. Uncle Chuck's cover is blown, but he escapes capture and goes back underground with a different cover. Doomsday In the season finale, a combined force of the five freedom fighter groups tries to destroy the Doomsday project. Robotnik, however, seems to have too many safeguards built in. As a last resort, Sonic and Sally use the Deep Power Stones. The Doomsday project is destroyed; Robotnik's fate is uncertain but Snively is ready to step into his shoes in a burst of megalomania and overacting. Cliffhanger: who or what does Snively have to help him? We'll never know: ABC chose not to run StH for a third season. VOICE CREDITS: SONIC: Jaleel White SALLY: Kath Soucie NICOLE: Kath Soucie (uncredited) TAILS: Bradley Pierce BUNNIE: Christine Cavanaugh ANTOINE: Rob Paulsen ROTOR: Mark Ballou (1st season) Cam Brainard (2d season) DULCY: Cree Summer Franks UNCLE CHUCK: William Windom ROBOTNIK: Jim Cummings SNIVELY: Charlie Adler ADDITIONAL VOICES: (First season): David Doyle Gaille Heindenmann Dana Hill Danny Mann Jason Marsden Charlie Schlatter Frank Welker (Second season): Shari Belafonte: Lupee (?) Michael Bell: Naugus (?) Crystal Cooke Tim Curry: Sally's father; Keeper of the Time Stones Dave Fennoy Dorian Harewood John Kassir Katie Leigh Nancy Linari Victor Love Tahj Mowry Hal Rayle Alaina Reed Hall Lindsay Ridgeway April Winchell Want to contact DiC? Write or phone: DiC 303 North Glenoaks Blvd. Burbank, CA 91502 (818) 955-5400 (818) 955-5696 (FAX) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 09:41:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02491 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:32 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02472 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:11 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07943; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:04 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA05615; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9507071247.AA05615@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 1/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:47:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ - //|\__/ \\ ___- \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ ascii Sonic by Han J. Lee |====================== THE SONIC FAQ FILE =====================| July 7, 1995 edition Compiled by: Daniel J. Drazen Contributors: Chris Baird; Ron Bauerle, Brad Clark, James Firmiss, Maureen Furniss, Craig Moore, Michiyo Nakajima, Paula O'Keefe, Eric E. Pearson, Jeff Pegnato, David Pistone, Alessandro Sanasi, Erich Schulman, Fred Sloniker, Andy White, Shawn Wolski Address all comments, corrections, contributions and flames to: drazen@andrews.edu ***************************************************************** WHAT'S NEW?: [Note: There WILL be spoilers. You have been warned. DJD] _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ Michael Teitelbaum. Troll Associates, 1995 PLOT SYNOPSIS: Ch. 1: Rotor is being held prisoner by Robotnik in the old royal fortress, which is now Robotnik's headquarters. He shares a cell with a woodchuck named Digger, who says he's from a Freedom Fighter group on the western edge of the Great Forest. Digger tells Rotor about the King's list of freedom fighters. Snively takes Digger away and tells Rotor that Robotnik's looking for the list as well. Ch. 2: Sonic & Bunnie arrive at Robotnik's fortress to bust Rotor out of his cell. Guided by a small transmitter in the lining of Rotor's cap, they locate the cell, take out the bots and "haul some serious haunch" back to Knothole. Ch. 3: Snively reports the escape of Rotor to an unconcerned Robotnik, who is preparing to rip the fortress apart to locate the list. Rotor tells the others about the list and Robotnik's search for it. Sally guesses that the list in question was one of "brave and true warriors" compiled by Sally's father when she was a girl. A box of her father's papers turns out to have a secret compartment which yields the following fragment: ...beside your bed safe and... ...tucked in tight... ...you cannot fall... Ch. 4: Sonic, Sally, Bunnie, Rotor and Antoine set out the following evening. Using a high-frequency generator, they scramble the circuits of the SWATbots at the front gate. Antoine suggests beginning the search with the safe in her father's bedroom. Ch. 5: While Robotnik leads a search of the main level, Snively detects the Freedom Fighters' entry into the fortress. Thinking to score points with Robotnik, Snively plans to capture them himself. The Freedom Fighters arrive at the bedroom, but find Snively and a platoon of SWATbots. Sonic and Bunnie take out the bots while Antoine trips up Snively before he can grab Sally. Unfortunately, they notice that the safe door is open and the safe is empty. Ch. 6: Thinking of the second and third lines of the fragment, Antoine suggests that it might be Sally's old crib--a bed from which one cannot fall. Sneaking to the nursery, they discover that Robotnik hasn't gotten there yet. Rotor tears the mattress apart but finds nothing. Snively arrives and locks the Freedom Fighters in the nursery. Ch. 7: While Snively goes off to find Robotnik, Rotor accidentally bumps into an old music box. Sally suddenly realizes that the fragment of "clues" is actually part of the lyrics of an old lullaby sung to the tune the music box is playing. The lyrics make mention of a clock, which is no longer in the room. Sally guesses that it was hidden in one of the towers. She also remembers a secret passageway from the nursery to the tower. Moving a book on a shelf, a panel slides back, revealing a staircase. Ch. 8: Ascending the staircase, they find the clock in a room filled with old furniture and such, but also find that the clock has been torn apart. Noticing that several pieces of SWATbot are lying about, Sonic and Bunnie get inside the metal parts and act as if the "bot" were escorting the others as prisoners. Robotnik's exultation at finding the list is interrupted when the bot and its "prisoners" arrive. Sonic grabs the list, lays out Robotnik, and the Freedom Fighters escape. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ Michael Teitelbaum. Troll Associates, 1995. PLOT SUMMARY: [If you know the plot of the "Game Guy" episode [second season], you pretty much know the plot of this book, though there are several major differences.] Ch. 1: Sally has a nightmare wherein Robotnik displaces her father. Referring to the list that was captured in _Fortress of Fear_, and noting that its descriptions of locations are extremely general, she plans to begin searching in the Caverns in the Great Unknown. Ch. 2: Rotor tests a magnetic field generator, managing to snare Bunnie. While exploring the caverns, they use the generator to dislodge a boulder. Spooked by a swarm of bats, Antoine becomes lost in the cave. Ch. 3: Antoine is found by the bank of an underground river. Using an inflatable raft, they head down the river and are almost hurled over a waterfall. They bed down for the night but awaken in the morning to the sound of approaching SWATbots. Ch. 4: The SWATbots take no notice of the Knothole gang, concentrating on an escaping figure. Sonic helps out the escapee, who turns out to be Ari on his way to free other freedom fighters in his group being held by Robotnik. Ch. 5: Ari explains how his group, which originally numbered 20, has lived on the run. Sonic is all for helping him, but Sally doesn't trust him. When Sonic goes off alone with Ari, Rotor is able to unscramble the bots' orders: to pretend to pursue Ari in order to lure Sonic to a trap. Ch. 6: Sonic and Ari reach the fortress, but not before Sonic pulls Ari out of quicksand. Once inside, Ari lets Sonic get captured. Ch. 7: Sally, Antoine, Rotor and Bunnie are in pursuit of Sonic and Ari. Sonic is deposited into the large pinball game/arena, with the object of avoiding the energy vortex. Ari realizes that his comrades have been roboticized and he's been double-crossed. Ch. 8: The Knothole gang arrive at the fortress and manage to save Ari. He leads them to Sonic. In a major reversal of the TV plot, Ari manages to pull Sonic out of the vortex, then helps him escape the game. As the group approaches Knothole, Ari returns home on his own. **************************************************************** I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS C. OTHER SOURCES I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ============================= Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. Q5: "Sally Acorn?" Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? ================================================================ Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? A: The writers of Sonic comics solicited reader responses to this in issue #___; the replies were printed in issue #___. They range from transplantation to mutation. The latest entry is in the Sonicgram of #22. They state that Tails just happened to be born that way--with no other comment (thus illustrating the difference between an Explanation and an Answer). At this point, there is no "official" explanation as to how Tails got that way, so you're pretty much free to believe what you like. Personally, I prefer the theory that it is a mutation, induced by Robotnik's pollution of Mobius. This would accord with the fact that Tails had not been born when Robotnik took over (cf. Q6). Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? A: No, his real name is "Miles Prower" (you have to say it sorta fast to get the joke). That was his name when he was introduced on the front screen of the Sonic 2 video game. Tails was given as his nickname, and it stuck. Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. A:This argument has been put forward by the "Sally is a fox" camp (see below). However, if that were true, then he'd also be related to Bunnie, as he's been known to address her as "Aunt Bunnie." For that matter, it seems that everyone in the Knothole gang refers to Sir Charles Hedgehog as "Uncle Chuck," though he's technically only uncle to Sonic. While it was not explicitly stated in either the comics or in the cartoons, it has to be kept in mind that all of the freedom fighters' families were disrupted by Robotnik's takeover of Mobius. It's safe to assume that they all have had relatives who have ended up being roboticized. As a result, they have become not so much a paramilitary resistance group as a loose-knit family. Sonic, for instance, clearly relates to Tails as if the latter was his little brother, the difference in species notwithstanding. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. A: Admittedly, it's trickier to spot some species in the series than others. Herewith is the list: Sonic and Sir Charles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .hedgehogs Bunnie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rabbit Tails. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Rotor. . . . . . . . . . . . . .walrus (sea lion, cf. Teitelbaum) Antoine D'Coolette . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Sally Acorn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ground squirrel/chipmunk Sally's father . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox The identification of Sally as a ground squirrel is based on extended discussion of the topic on Internet {alt.fan.furry and rec.arts.animation). She was also declared to be a ground squirrel in the comics, most recently in the Sonicgram of Sonic #19. As for the designation "ground squirrel/chipmunk", which has been questioned by at least one correspondent, I entered it this way on the assumption that the two terms were synonymous. I have consulted a dictionary, which states that the term "ground squirrel" applies to several kinds of rodents, including the chipmunk genus _Tamias_. Given the present ambiguity, the designation will remain as is. Despite this, controversy continues. Identifying Sally's species has been particularly vexing to some fans, especially those who reason that since Sally's father is clearly a fox, then she must be one herself. It is possible that Sally takes after her mother in this regard more than her father. Cross-species mating is a definite possibility, and an example is implied in the "flashforward" at the end of "Sally's Crusade" [Sonic: In Your Face #1]. At this point, the identification of Sally's nanny, Rosie, remains ambiguous. Given her buck teeth, she could be either a beaver or a woodchuck. Since she is always shown wearing a long cloak, I've been unable to spot the character beaver tail. Final identification is still pending. Q5: "Sally Acorn"? A: This is how she was identified as far back as the beginning of the comics [Sonic Miniseries, #0, Mar 1993]. Technically, royalty do not have surnames or family names in the accepted sense; rather, the title of the personage tends to serve the purpose. Her middle name, Alicia, is apparently seldom used (cf. "Blast to the Past," part 1). If you wanted to be grandiose about it, Sally's formal title would be: Sally Alicia, Princess of the House of Acorn. But in any event it's unlikely that Sally's formal title will come back into use so long as Robotnik is in charge. Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? A: According to the TV series ["Blast to the Past: part 1"] Sonic and Sally were both 5 years old when Sally's father was overthrown and Robotnik took over. Two other age clues were given in the "Drood Henge" episode: that Tails was 10 years old, and that Sally wouldn't "come of age" for another two years. At one point, Sally's age is explicitly given as being 16, though the comics reportedly put both at age 15. Subtracting 5 from 16 leaves the number of years Robotnik has been in charge: 11. Thus, it would appear that Tails was born after the fall of the House of Acorn. Still, the simplest way out of this dilemma would be to put the age of majority on Mobius at 17 instead of 18; that would eliminate the extra year differential without altering the stated ages of Sonic and Sally (in the comics) or of Tails (in "Drood Henge"). Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? A: Archie Comics was supposed to roll out a three-part miniseries starring Sally as the main character. The story actually began with "Deadliest of the Species" in Sonic #20. The cover art for the miniseries, however, differed in subsequent advertisements: one cover for the first issue prominently featured Geoffrey St. John, while another did not. The third issue cover either does or doesn't feature Sally doing battle with a clone of herself, depending upon where you see it. Two different versions of the cover for #2 appeared in Sonic #22. The fact that the Sally creative team PLUS Archie Comics PLUS Sega reportedly came together to discuss "improving" the series (as reported in the Sonicgram for Sonic #21) would seem to indicate that someone had come down with a case of "creative differences." In any event, the "improved" Sally miniseries began shipping the week of Feb 13. Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? A: How, in other words, is Sonic able to run so fast? Apparently the same way you get to Carnegie Hall in the old joke: practice. I'm serious; here is the only print explanation I've come across so far: "Years ago, when things were right on Mobius, there lived a hedgehog named Sonic.... Sonic was only interested in running as fast as he could. Every day he practiced." [Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_. Mahwah, NJ: Troll, 1993, pp.7- 8]. And that's the extent of Teitelbaum's explanation. Thanks a heap, Mike! Chris Baird may be onto something, and it looks like he wants to force the issue by asking Archie Comics about "The rumor going around the Internet that [Sonic] got his speed from falling into a vat of power rings when he was a baby." Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: There are now three answers to this question -- one appears to be definitive, but the other two are more fun. Believe what you like: 1) ABC got clobbered in the SatAM ratings because the show was up against the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox. This sounds plausible, except that between the November and February sweeps, ABC actually moved StH to the 8:00 am Eastern slot, which would have put it opposite "Dog City" on Fox...at least, until the next time Fox jazzed with ITS lineup. I remember posting a TAPE ALERT and that several fans didn't get to tape the first showing of the Doomsday episode as a result of the time switch. Source for this item: someone from within the offices of Archie Comics, as posted to alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. 2) DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. 3) ABC's kidvid programming has lately been adhering to a policy of "two seasons and out" for shows. Though it's possible that some ideas only last two seasons because they're kinda bankrupt to begin with. ================================================================= From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 09:45:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02524 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:48:41 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02515 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:48:16 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07967; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:48:10 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA05683; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:48:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9507071248.AA05683@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 3/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS [CONTRIBUTIONS WELCOME] Now, direct from the Great White North, Brad Clark summarizes the original Sonic miniseries: Issue 0 "Don't Cry For Me, Mobius" Story: Michael Gallagher, Art: Scott Shaw! Sonic is chased by Dr. Robotnik. After the chase, which Robotnik loses, Sonic returns to Knothole where most of the main characters are introduced for the first time. (Note: Rotor is referred to as "Boomer.") Antoine then announces that there is a leak in Knothole (Knothole is located underground in this issue) that is caused by Robotnik. Sonic defeats Robotnik with a power ring. "The Royal Family of Mobius" Takes place before Robotnik was in power and has Sonic and Uncle Chuck running a chilidog take-out stand. Robotnik destroys the stand and captures Muttski and Uncle Chuck. Sonic meets Sally (with yellow hair and red fur) who introduces him to the rest of the freedom fighters in Knothole. Issue 1 "Run, Sally, Run" Story and art: Gallagher & Shaw! Sally [this time with pink fur and black hair] goes to see Robotnik about the return of her father. Robotnik captures Sally and almost throws her into the "Robo-machine." Sonic rescues Sally only to discover that Sally had wanted to get caught in order to gather information on the roboticizer, using some special boots designed by Boomer/Rotor. Issue 2 "A Crowning Achievement" Gallagher & Shaw! again. Sally decides to wear the "Crown of the Acorn Kings" which belonged to her father, but the crown is missing. They discover a robotic freedom fighter who tells them that Robotnik has stolen the crown and has scattered its jewels (the four Chaos Emeralds) throughout the land. Sonic retrieves the emeralds and Boomer/Rotor repairs the crown. Issue 3 "Sonic Flashback" Gallagher & Shaw! Sonic and Robotnik recall when they were kids. Uncle Chuck invents the power rings. Sonic and Robotnik have an argument, and it escalates until Robotnik is constructing mechanical monsters out of Uncle Chuck's appliances. Sonic then wakes up -- it was all just a daydream -- and resumes being chased by Robotnik. "Why Ask Spy" Sonic is made to look like a robot to trick Robotnik and to destroy one of his factories. In the process, Sonic discovers Uncle Chuck and Muttski who have both been roboticized. Sonic destroys the factory. #16 [Summary by Erich Schulman] "Sonic Under Glass" It appears that Sonic and Sally are tying the knot, having defeated Robotnik once and for all. In reality, Robotnik has lured the freedom fighters to a place called Sleepy Hollow. Once there, they were gassed, put into a sleep, and trapped inside a virtual reality glass dome. As all their fantasies have come true, nobody wants to escape. Uncle Chuck arrives and reveals to Sonic that he is embracing, not Sally, but a broom. Sonic hates to disappoint his friends, who are all so happy, but decides to get back at Robotnik. Sonic gets Robotnik's war machines to reverse course and attack the big guy, so Robotnik reluctantly kills the VR software. Sonic and Sally are reunited, and Sonic concludes that virtual reality is a nice place to visit, but.... "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." Robotnik comes to the conclusion that there is a spy in his midst, since so many of his missions have failed. Thinking that he has found his spy in a mole, he uses the Wheel of Misfortune to randomize his plans to destroy Mobius. On Robotnik's first spin, he lands on "undersea bank heist." Robotnik's lackey's find only an empty vault and the freedom fighters waiting for them. The same thing happens after two more spins. Robotnik finally thinks he has Sonic captured when Sonic and Sally visit Robotnik's casino [Boy, I hope this makes more sense in the comic! DJD], but Sonic narrowly escapes. Belatedly, Robotnik realizes that the Wheel itself was rigged. Sonic-Grams: Aside from now-obsolete announcements, it is stated that Sonic is 15; that Sally is a squirrel (not necessarily a ground squirrel); that Antoine was a donor so that Tails would be able to fly [Yeah, right!]; that Sonic was just a little slow rescuing Bunnie from the roboticizer. On a more useful note, Archie Comics confesses that due to inadequate modelling information, their Sally was a different color from the SatAM version, a situation which has since been rectified. #18 [Jan 1995]: "Wedding Bell Blues" Robotnik gets word of Sonic and Sally's impending wedding and plans an attack. "In the Still of the Night" While trying to determine the nature of the mysterious orb (cf. "First Star....", #17), Sally is called to the bedside of her old mentor, Julayla, just before she dies. Sonicgram: includes statement that Sonic is 15, and a German fan disses Dave Manak's artwork Sonic: In Your Face #1 [1995] "Sally's Crusade: The Quest" The orb is revealed to be a casing surrounding Nicole. Sally, with the others in tow, searches for what turns out to be Julayla's last testament. The significance of this document is spelled out in a "flashforward" at the end of the story. "Mirror Zone" An excuse to practice backwards lettering. Sonicgram: Sally's age is given as "about 15." [Note, if you're going to guess a lady's age, guess on the low side ;-) ] "Tails' Tallest Tale" Tails substitutes for Sonic, putting in an appearance at a con. His exaggerations almost get him into trouble. Artwork by Shaw!. #19 [Feb 1995]: "Night of a Thousand Sonics" In order to defeat Robotnik's latest scheme, Sonic has to call in as many versions of himself from as many parallel universes as he can. Artwork by Manak for the first half, Mawhinney for the second. Sonicgram: The name of Sally's father is given as "King Acorn" (but see FAQ #5). Scott Fulop hedges on when Knuckles will make an appearance and whose side he'll be on. Again, Sally is identified as a "ground squirrel." Hint is dropped as to a Sonic motion picture in the works. #20 [Mar 1995]: "That's the Spirit" Exposure to an antimatter explosion renders Sonic invisible; Sally and the others [Tails being the exception] believe he is dead. The comedic pacing and Manak's artwork mar what otherwise might have been a very poignant story. Great line (Sonic to Robotnik--who thinks he's dealing with a ghost): "Give Mobius back to the freedom fighters, lose weight and get a hairpiece!" "Deadliest of the Species" [Prologue to the Princess Sally miniseries] While on a sabotage mission, Sally is confronted by someone claiming to be part of a rebel underground. Sonicgram: Once again lists Sally's age as 15. #21 [Apr 1995]: "3 Phases of E.V.E" Pat Spaziante debuts as a story artist. Robotnik unleashes E.V.E. ["exceptionally versatile evolvoid"] to capture Sonic. As Sonic manages to outsmart E.V.E., it simply adapts to another form to compensate. Sonic lures it to Robotnik's headquarters where, assuming a self-conscious form, E.V.E. determines that it is being held back by its biological inheritance from Sonic and Robotnik [i.e., individual cells used in E.V.E.'s creation]. E.V.E. toasts Robotnik, but thanks to some quick thinking by Sonic--apparently, Sally's influence is rubbing off on him ;-) -- E.V.E. spares Sonic and travels out into space on a journey of self-actualization. Is Robotnik really history? That's the tease--stay tuned, probably until after the Sally miniseries. Sonicgram: announcement of the delay in rolling out the Sally miniseries; another special issue (48pp) due out in May. #22 [May 1995] "The Return," written by Ken Penders, art by Pat Spaziante & Harvey M. The story opens with Sonic & Sally MCW (Married with Children; cf. the end of "Sally's Quest" in _In Your Face #1_). Sonic & Sally are out with the kids when, during a lightning storm, an apparition of Robotnik appears and just as suddenly disappears. Have your pencils and scorecards ready to try and follow the remainder of the plot: Robotnik is actually on a satellite talking with Robo-Robotnik from "Night of a Thousand Sonics," (#19), only in this case only the consciousness of Robo-Robotnik (hereinafter "R-R") remains resident. Robotnik convinces R-R to teleport him back to Mobius, where it turns out Snively has activated an alternative Doomesday device which would go off if Robotnik was ever defeated. Robotnik actually deactivates "Operation Wasteland" himself to keep from being ruler over nothing and to have the pleasure of saying to Sonic: "You owe me!" Robotnik and Sonic MWC are declared to be at a stalemate. What about R-R? Who knows? Muddled story saved by Spaziante artwork. "Tails Knighttime Story," written by Angelo Decasare, art by Dave Manak & John Dagostino. As Tails grumps about "get[ting] baby-sat" while Sonic has all the fun and adventures, Sally tells him a bedtime story wherein Sonic is Sir Runalot and Tails is his page who "borrows" his armour one day and who, mistaken for the aforementioned knight, ends up doing battle with Sir Knightmare of Robotannia (guess who?) until the real Sir Runalot saves his...er...tails. Sonicgram: the comics should get a FAQ File, since two letters pepper them with questions (most are answered: "Keep reading." Translation: "we're working on it!"). The cover of Princess Sally #2 in an ad on the same page differs from one which appears on p. 17 of the same issue(!), thus bolstering the "creative differences" theory in Q7. #23 [Jun 1995] "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Tails, Robotnik and Snively are all captured by Car-Heem, a giant alien who wants to study them. In order to save Robotnik from "disposal," Sonic convinces Car-Heem that they are interdependent species, a novelty to the autonomous Car-Heem. Thanks to a diversion by Sonic, the others escape their confinement in a craft of Robotnik's design. Although Robotnik blows Car-Heem and Sonic out of Car-Heem's spacecraft's airlock, Rotor retrieves them. In gratitude, Car-Heem returns everyone to Mobius and Rotor, inspired, releases the inhabitants of his ant farm [Heavy Message]. There's also a really bad pun which I'm not going to reveal. Do-It-Yourself Sonic Contest winners announced. "Vol-ANT-teer" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Antoine ventures into Robotropolis alone to retrieve Tails' lost backpack with a power ring in it. Bunnie shadows him just in case. Surprising last panel gives the impression that Antoine isn't exactly clueless. Sonicgram: Further indication that Knuckles will put in an appearance in the next Sonic special, though no hint as to his allegiance; look for an appearance by Knack the Weasel [c.f., the Triple Trouble game] in the same issue. #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island, and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. Sonic & Knuckles 48 page special (based on summaries by James Firmiss) "Panic in the Sky!" The Mobians living on the western shore of "the Great Continent" [you'd think that Mobians would have come up with another adjective besides "Great": viz.: the Great Forest, the Great Swamp, the Great Unknown, etc. See also the "all-purpose" use of the word _hriar_, or "thousands" by rabbits in Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. But I digress....] are alarmed by the approach of a floating island. Sally and the gang realize that the island is on course for Knothole; Sonic explains to the group (for the first time!?) that he and Tails were on the island a while back and met Knuckles. Antoine flies Sonic and Tails in the turboprop, dodging antiaircraft fire from the underside of the island. After landing on the island, seeing giant mushrooms and avoiding some traps, Sonic falls into one trap and again meets Knuckles. Since this is the second time Sonic has been caught trespassing, Knuckles is about to send him over the edge of the island. Tails tries dropping a rock on Knuckles from above to avoid this from happening, but it ends up that Tails has to rescue both Sonic and Knuckles by airlifting them to safety. It appears that Robotnik is "hijacking" the island by somehow draining the energy from the Chaos Emerald which keeps the island afloat. Already having established a presence on the island, Robotnik has installed weapons on the underside and plans to use the island as a flying fortress to attack Knothole. Knuckles won't allow the island to be used this way; he smashes the Chaos Emerald. With the island losing altitude, Robotnik abandons it, expecting that it'll still smash into Knothole (though how he suddenly knows of Knothole's location is unclear). But Knuckles replaces the "real" Chaos Emerald just in time--I'd tell you how he switched it with a phony one which was the one he broke, but I don't understand it either. Knuckles turns down an invitation to join the Knothole gang; part of his stewardship of the island now involves disarming it since Robotnik is gone. "Fire Drill" Knuckles investigates an explosion on the island, suspecting that it's Sonic. Catching just a glimpse of an intruder, he follows him to places unfamiliar even to him(!). As the trail leads off the edge of the island, he still thinks it's Sonic; however, we catch a glimpse of a shadowy presence still on the island. Could be a Chaotix character, could be Nack the Weasel, check out the Sonic-Gram in issue #23 for a hint. "Lord of the Floating Island" While patrolling the island on a windy day, he spots a lost joey (baby kangaroo) names Bengy. The kid asks Knuckles to bring back the sky; Knuckles explains that there's an eclipse in progress and that's what's causing the winds. They avoid a pack of (biped) dingoes as Knuckles goes into further exposition about the island-- how it's a paradise which some parties (Sonic and Robotnik) want to change. They eventually find Bengy's mom. Knuckles' exit line: "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" The entire story appears to exist to supply needed exposition and to nudge Knuckles closer to the Good Guy category. No SonicGrams, but announcements: Sonic #25 will have a silver ink cover and feature Mecha Sonic; dated August '95. Also slated for that month: a Sonic Triple Trouble 48-page special featuring Nack the Weasel; it will also include a Sonic v. Knuckles story, a Knuckles solo story, and a Tails solo story. Another 48-page special -- Knuckles Chaotix -- is schedules for November '95. Solo Knuckles stories will appear in Sonics #31-33 (Feb-Apr '96) and a Knuckles 3-parter will begin Jan '96. #25 "Go Ahead...Mecha My Day" (the only story in this issue) Story: Mike Gallagher Art: Pat Spaziante based on summary by James Firmiss In a bow to the CD game, the story focuses on the freedom fighters' discovery of the Collision Chaos Zone, a "zone portal." Robotnik tries to lure Sonic into the zome portal by kidnapping his #1 fan: Amy Rose, the pink hedgehog (remember her?). Based on her dialogue on page 14, I'd describe her in Foghorn Leghorn terms: "Nice kid, but about as sharp as a sack full of wet mice." Tails investigates from the air and is captured instead. To rescue both Amy and Tails, Sonic must race through the new zones and do battle with Robotnik's Mecha-Sonic. Spaziante's artwork of Sally in this issue is surprising, in that her shape has gotten...well, more shapely. I don't remember her having that much of a bustline in issue #21! Still no SonicGrams; another repeat announcement of the Triple Trouble and Chaotix specials, as well as the Knuckles and Tails miniseries. Also staff artwork. Princess Sally Mini-series #1 [April 1995] Summary by Ron Bauerle "Deadliest of the Species!" written by Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders, art by Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski. Opens with a nice splash page summarizing the struggle so far and describes the main characters (get this: "Antoine is renouned for his military skills" - okayyyy...). Next it recaps Sally's meeting Geoffrey St. John...in StH #20. Sally & Geoffrey are attacked by SWATbots after destroying the facility and manage to beat them off [hey, Ron, let's leave their private lives out of this ;-) ] and exchange some banter in the process (I can't call it friendly but it's not really sarcastic either). They then head back to the camp where some young trainee freedom fighters are waiting for Sally. Geoffrey mistakes them for enemies and jumps a pig (Hamlin) but they're separated by Sally. This establishes some bad blood between Hamlin and Geoffrey that continues all issue. The team proceeds to its next target (an energy substation) and after battling SWATbots and ORBbots manage to destroy it. During the battle Geoffrey saves Hamlin's life but Hamlin still doesn't trust him. That night, when everyone else is asleep, Geoffrey slips away, activates a teleportal, enters some kind of building and descends to its basement where he speaks to a figure in a glass case: Sally!? Also some fan art: two pics of Sally & Bunnie (both NBD), and one of Sally as a dominatrix (!). Princess Sally Miniseries #2 (Summary by Erich Schulman): The story opens with a fight between St. John and Hamlin, and Sally gives Hamlin a scolding. To reach the third, undestroyed substation, the freedom fighters use a new (!?) technology: hang gliders. Arlo's hang glider is hit by the defenses and he is wounded in action; Penelope volunteers to stay with him. Once inside, Sally and St. John are attacked by an octopod, and everyone barely manages to escape the explosions. Upon leaving, they find that Sally and Penelope are gone. Sally says they will return to camp without them (to which Hamlin is opposed), and they never show up again. Did you have your doubts about St. John? That night, St. John replaces Sally with a lookalike robot and delivers the real Sally to Robotnik. Fan mail (singular; only one letter appears): Will Sonic and Sally marry? "Could be." Has Sally met Knuckles? She will in a forthcoming 48-page S&K special. Does Sally have a mother, and if so what does she look like? "Of course...her origin may yet be told." Or [shameless plug] you can read about it in "Bloodlines" in the fanfic section of Rotor's homepage. "Deadliest of the Species, Part III" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Art Mawhinney (Summary: James Firmiss) (Recap of parts 0, 1 and 2 omitted) Sally, Hamlin and Dylan are fighting their way into Robotropolis with paint guns and grenades (blinding SWATbots). Dylan believes that attacking at half strength isn't wise, yet they press on. Hamlin nearly falls from a collapsing catwalk but Sally rescues him. They eventually reach their objective, break down the doors and find...Robotnik, St. John and Sally (in the container). Hamlin believes Geoffrey to be a traitor so he jumps him. Sally breaks it up and says she and St. John are on the same side. Robotnic reveals that Sally is an auto-automaton, a perfect robot duplicate, and that there was no weakness in the defense system. His master plan is to replace key members of the freedom fighters--we see auto-automatons of Sonic and Tails being built. Robotnik also plans to roboticize the Sally delivered to him by St. John. Robotnik begins the roboticization process but the chamber blows up because a "feedback loop" has occurred. Something which is impossible unless...he were trying to roboticize a robot! The real Sally was with Dylan and Hamlin. Sally tries to 'arrest' Robotnik, but large StealthBots emerge from the walls and capture the freedom fighters. Note: you could see the outlines of the StealthBots 5 pages back. St. John pushes a button on a remote control and a vehicle burrows its way up through the floor. Out pop Penelope, Arlo and three "moles". They help free Sally, Dylan and Hamlin (more paint guns). Robotnik manages to activate a 30-second self-destruct and disappears down an escape chute. Sally and the others all head for the vehicle maintenance area and grab saucer-shaped air cars (from Hanger 18! X-P ) and get out with no time to spare. With everyone back at the base, Hamlin, Penelope, Arlo and Dylan are promoted to full-fledged freedom fighters. Sally tries to convince Geoffrey to come to Knothole but he declines in order to rejoin the Rebel Underground. He does engage Sally in some serious lip-locking before they part. If you're not confused yet, here's a run-down of the plot- twists, as Sally explains them at the end: The FIRST Sally switch occurred right at the beginning of Part 1 shortly after meeting St. John. St. John really was the leader of the "Rebel Underground" and acted as a double agent in order to gain Robotnik's trust and activate the robot double prematurely in order to find out what its plans were. It was the auto-automaton Sally that helped attack the 2d and 3d substations. It was such a good copy that it could give orders, make hard choices, and even grieve for missing comrades. But did you notice the two clues that would have tipped you off that this was an automated Sally: 1. "Auto" Sally wore a purple vest instead of a blue one. 2. "Auto" Sally referred to Geoffrey by his first name, while the real Sally always called him "Mr. St. John." The SECOND Sally switch occurred in Part II, when Robotnik (and the reader) was supposed to think that Sally was being replaced by a robot double. And what about Arlo and Penelope? They were taken away by the moles from the literal Rebel UNDERGROUND. The Rebel Underground was also supposed to be backup in case anything unexpected happened. "This is definitely one of the most complicated stories Archie's Sonic group has ever come up with. Congrats...." JF SallyGram: Horace Hawkins (14) wishes Sally a Happy Valentine's Day, and expresses the desire to be her boyfriend. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Scott Fulop (Editor) asks if there is interest in a MONTHLY Sally comic. If so, send a postcard with the following: Give me Princess Sally. Monthly. NOW!!! to: SallyGrams c/o Archie Comic Publishing 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 NOTES FROM THE NET: that's the heading suggested for comix- related posts to a.f.s-h by none other than Paul Castiglia of Archie Comics. Seems P.C. thinks that NftN would make a good subsection of the Sonic Grams, and said so in a recent post. The idea is that you can post to a.f.s-h, and your post (and e-mail address if you want) will be reprinted in NftN. But ONLY if you specify that it's for NftN. Apparently Archie Comics is still getting a feel for whether they should go ahead with the plan, so let's see some support for it! Hmmm, wonder if Sally's e-mail address is princess@frdmftrs.mobius.org ? 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OTHER SOURCES Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ (c)1995: Mahwah, New Jersey: Troll Associates. _Sonic the Hedgehog_ synopsis: Note: Any resemblance between this book and the original comics miniseries shouldn't be surprising; what IS surprising is how far from the TV series this is. Herewith, the "Cliff's Notes" description: Ch.1: At the beginning, Sonic is 7, Robotnik is 15, and both are staying with Uncle Chuck (you get some idea of how non-canonical this is going to get!). While Robotnik is only interested in gadgets, Sonic is only interested in running fast. While Uncle Chuck works on perfecting a power ring, Robotnik cannibalizes parts from Uncle Chuck's old tractor for a robot. When Uncle Chuck starts up the tractor, it goes out of control and heads for Robotnik. Ch. 2: Sonic interrupts a game of one-against-nine baseball to move the tractor which has pinned Robotnik and Uncle Chuck. He's able to move it with the power ring and he takes both Robotnik and Uncle Chuck to the hospital. Ch. 3: After being released from the hospital, Uncle Chuck and Robotnik return home. Robotnik's robot confesses to Uncle Chuck that he was put together with the stolen tractor parts, and Robotnik is grounded. Robotnik cobbles together another robot from Uncle Chuck's major appliances; it grabs Uncle Chuck but Sonic defeats it by wrapping it up in a garden hose. Robotnik leaves. Ch. 4: "Eight years passed." Sonic, 15, has a pet dog, Muttski, and works as a delivery hedgehog for his Uncle Chuck's chili dog stand. Sonic tests his new sneakers (designed by Uncle Chuck) while filling a large order, but in his absence Robotnik returns and arrests "Uncle Chuck" and his robots trash the stand. Ch. 5: Sonic delivers the chili dogs to an old factory, walking into a trap. He escapes and returns to what's left of the stand. He destroys a couple of robots who try to capture him and learns that Robotnik is responsible. He heads off for Robotnik's factory. Ch. 6: Stopping in the forest just outside the factory he encounters "a cute little chipmunk girl": Princess Sally Acorn. She shows Sonic a short-cut to the "Ro-Bo-Machine." Ch. 7: Reaching the fence around the factory, Sonic sees that Uncle Chuck has already been roboticized. Sally tries to stop him, but Sonic goes over the fence. Ch. 8: Sonic goes into Sonic Spin and takes out the SWATbots. With Sally's help, they get Uncle Chuck and Muttski and head for the Great Forest. Ch. 9: Sally leads them to "Knothole Village" which is "under the forest floor." (cf. Sonic #0). Sonic uses a power ring to restore Uncle Chuck and Muttski. None of the other Freedom Fighters are introduced. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ synopsis: one of the Knothole freedom fighters is captured by Robotnik and used as bait to lure Sonic into a trap. In this case, the victim is Bunnie, and the story supposedly explains how she came to be partially roboticized. This account is at odds with the explanation in the comics. In addition, both Uncle Chuck and Muttski in this book has been successfully deroboticized (see above), which conflicts with "Sonic Conversion" and, in fact, the rest of the second season. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ PLOT SYNOPSIS: Ch. 1: Rotor is being held prisoner by Robotnik in the old royal fortress, which is now Robotnik's headquarters. He shares a cell with a woodchuck named Digger, who says he's from a Freedom Fighter group on the western edge of the Great Forest. Digger tells Rotor about the King's list of freedom fighters. Snively takes Digger away and tells Rotor that Robotnik's looking for the list as well. Ch. 2: Sonic & Bunnie arrive at Robotnik's fortress to bust Rotor out of his cell. Guided by a small transmitter in the lining of Rotor's cap, they locate the cell, take out the bots and "haul some serious haunch" back to Knothole. Ch. 3: Snively reports the escape of Rotor to an unconcerned Robotnik, who is preparing to rip the fortress apart to locate the list. Rotor tells the others about the list and Robotnik's search for it. Sally guesses that the list in question was one of "brave and true warriors" compiled by Sally's father when she was a girl. A box of her father's papers turns out to have a secret compartment which yields the following fragment: ...beside your bed safe and... ...tucked in tight... ...you cannot fall... Ch. 4: Sonic, Sally, Bunnie, Rotor and Antoine set out the following evening. Using a high-frequency generator, they scramble the circuits of the SWATbots at the front gate. Antoine suggests beginning the search with the safe in her father's bedroom. Ch. 5: While Robotnik leads a search of the main level, Snively detects the Freedom Fighters' entry into the fortress. Thinking to score points with Robotnik, Snively plans to capture them himself. The Freedom Fighters arrive at the bedroom, but find Snively and a platoon of SWATbots. Sonic and Bunnie take out the bots while Antoine trips up Snively before he can grab Sally. Unfortunately, they notice that the safe door is open and the safe is empty. Ch. 6: Thinking of the second and third lines of the fragment, Antoine suggests that it might be Sally's old crib--a bed from which one cannot fall. Sneaking to the nursery, they discover that Robotnik hasn't gotten there yet. Rotor tears the mattress apart but finds nothing. Snively arrives and locks the Freedom Fighters in the nursery. Ch. 7: While Snively goes off to find Robotnik, Rotor accidentally bumps into an old music box. Sally suddenly realizes that the fragment of "clues" is actually part of the lyrics of an old lullaby sung to the tune the music box is playing. The lyrics make mention of a clock, which is no longer in the room. Sally guesses that it was hidden in one of the towers. She also remembers a secret passageway from the nursery to the tower. Moving a book on a shelf, a panel slides back, revealing a staircase. Ch. 8: Ascending the staircase, they find the clock in a room filled with old furniture and such, but also find that the clock has been torn apart. Noticing that several pieces of SWATbot are lying about, Sonic and Bunnie get inside the metal parts and act as if the "bot" were escorting the others as prisoners. Robotnik's exultation at finding the list is interrupted when the bot and its "prisoners" arrive. Sonic grabs the list, lays out Robotnik, and the Freedom Fighters escape. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ PLOT SUMMARY: [If you know the plot of the "Game Guy" episode [second season], you pretty much know the plot of this book, though there are several major differences.] Ch. 1: Sally has a nightmare wherein Robotnik displaces her father. Referring to the list that was captured in _Fortress of Fear_, and noting that its descriptions of locations are extremely general, she plans to begin searching in the Caverns in the Great Unknown. Ch. 2: Rotor tests a magnetic field generator, managing to snare Bunnie. While exploring the caverns, they use the generator to dislodge a boulder. Spooked by a swarm of bats, Antoine becomes lost in the cave. Ch. 3: Antoine is found by the bank of an underground river. Using an inflatable raft, they head down the river and are almost hurled over a waterfall. They bed down for the night but awaken in the morning to the sound of approaching SWATbots. Ch. 4: The SWATbots take no notice of the Knothole gang, concentrating on an escaping figure. Sonic helps out the escapee, who turns out to be Ari on his way to free other freedom fighters in his group being held by Robotnik. Ch. 5: Ari explains how his group, which originally numbered 20, has lived on the run. Sonic is all for helping him, but Sally doesn't trust him. When Sonic goes off alone with Ari, Rotor is able to unscramble the bots' orders: to pretend to pursue Ari in order to lure Sonic to a trap. Ch. 6: Sonic and Ari reach the fortress, but not before Sonic pulls Ari out of quicksand. Once inside, Ari lets Sonic get captured. Ch. 7: Sally, Antoine, Rotor and Bunnie are in pursuit of Sonic and Ari. Sonic is deposited into the large pinball game/arena, with the object of avoiding the energy vortex. Ari realizes that his comrades have been roboticized and he's been double-crossed. Ch. 8: The Knothole gang arrive at the fortress and manage to save Ari. He leads them to Sonic. In a major reversal of the TV plot, Ari manages to pull Sonic out of the vortex, then helps him escape the game. As the group approaches Knothole, Ari returns home on his own. OVERSEAS BOOKS: Martin Adams, _Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory_ (c)1993: London: Virgin. Attention WEB-Slingers: The following individuals have set up Sonic the Hedgehog home pages on the World Wide Web. You can access them at: [Note: these addresses are current as of the date of this FAQ file edition; beyond that, I make no claims as to the accuracy of accessing these pages. Many WEB sites do have links to other Sonic pages so give 'em a shot] Shawn Wolski http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~n5una/index.html Fanart and this FAQ file; also access to Ratman's Sonic Web Page. http:/www.PrimeNet.Com:80/~rotor/ Dave Pistone's awesome collection of graphics and stories http:/www.ysu.edu/~ptighe/sonic.html Bryant Melesko's graphics page http:/pumadyne.mv.com.80/sonic/ Sonic Mailing List page: gateway to info and HFF graphics ftp://hff.mv.com/pub/sonic/images Erich Schulman's 10Meg+ .GIF site From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 20:14:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11833 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:53:52 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11826 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:53:40 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA26551; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:47:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:47:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you wish to reply to the message author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to metalfox@in.net. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 18:32:38 -400 (EDT) From: Ryan Fields To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? > I can't beleive Antoine is a fox, it can't be possible. How could > they insult foxes so? Of course he could be, but I think a poodle suits > him. Is there any one out there that likes him? > Antoine rules! (I don't think he's a fox though.) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 20:23:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11877 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:58:34 -0400 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11871 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:58:17 -0400 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux2.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux2.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.122]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA98576 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 18:44:26 -0500 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux2.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA01594; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 18:44:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 18:44:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199507072344.SAA01594@linux2.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Mobius Zoology Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Dear friends ES: Also, if you assume Sally is indeed a squirrel, she would be in danger with Tails and Antoine (foxes) around I'm inclined to the theory that Sally is a ground squirrel as was her mother. ( Note how in one of the comics Sonic and Sally were able to have children and their son was a hedgehog while the daughter was a ground squirrel ). If this was the case, I'm now wondering if there was any contro- versy in having a "predator/prey" mixed marriage. :-) BB: Considering that all the other characters are based on animals here on Earth,.. In "Blast to the Past", Sally gave the year as somewhere in the 3000's ( I forgot exactly what year. ) This made me wonder, could Mobius be the Earth in the far future, wherein some animal species evolved into anthropomorphs? See ya around. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 02:15:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA14651 for sonic-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 01:59:47 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA14640 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 01:59:27 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA08602 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 01:56:28 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Mobius Zoology From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ACD00F.000100189E.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 95 00:15:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8ACC464.0001001898.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> Dear friends -> -> ES: Also, if you assume Sally is indeed a squirrel, she would be in -> danger with Tails and Antoine (foxes) around -> -> I'm inclined to the theory that Sally is a ground squirrel as was -> her -> mother. ( Note how in one of the comics Sonic and Sally were able to -> have children and their son was a hedgehog while the daughter was a -> ground squirrel ). If this was the case, I'm now wondering if there -> was any contro- versy in having a "predator/prey" mixed marriage. :-) -> -> BB: Considering that all the other characters are based on animals -> here on Earth,.. -> -> In "Blast to the Past", Sally gave the year as somewhere in the -> 3000's -> ( I forgot exactly what year. ) This made me wonder, could Mobius be -> the Earth in the far future, wherein some animal species evolved into -> anthropomorphs? Well Logic like that really has no place in a Saterday Morning cartoon. If the food chain really mattered here then sonic whould be in danger around tails. And alos Hedgehogs are verry slow in real life. So when it comes to cartoons stuff like that goes aside. And Yes it is posable that Mobius is a future Earth. Maby the Human race slowed down when it came to evolveing and that gave the anmials a jump. then humans slowly died out so that there are verry few of them around 3000. But some whoud live till then that whoude explain Robotnik and Lazar. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 13:44:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18049 for sonic-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 13:36:44 -0400 Received: from tibalt.supernet.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18044 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 13:36:32 -0400 Received: from [204.209.1.50] (rd-p18.supernet.ab.ca) by tibalt.supernet.ab.ca with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA166264979; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 11:36:19 -0600 X-Sender: sologar@mailhost.supernet.ab.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 11:39:07 +0100 To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: sologar@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca (Nomad) Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > Ummm...as somebody pointed out a long time ago, Sally is *not* Tails' aunt. > Remember that in the cartoon series, he also called Bunnie "Aunt Bunnie", > and everybody called Sir Charles "Uncle Chuck." And, as somebody else pointed > out a while back, the Archie people themselves have said that she is a > squirrel. Now, I know that doesn't hold water with many people :), but they > are the ones who write and draw her, so their's is a strong opinion, at any > rate. Ok, so I made a mistake. But to Archie saying she is a ground squirrel, they do make mistakes. After all, when asked what Sally's age is, they replied fifteen. But in the cartoon "Drood Henge", she says she has two years before her coming of age. (18) So who's right? I figure that the cartoon is right, so your strong opinion has lost some of its punch. > Antoine rules! (I don't think he's a fox though.) I guess he's alright, and on the fox subject....All RIGHT!!!!! > But as stated in the above paragraph, there are too many odvious > features showing she is a fox. > And there's too many features that make her a squirrel as well! The shape >of her face and head being the biggest one of all. Sally 's head resembles her father in many ways, that proves she is a fox! To those out there who think Sally is a chipmunk or ground squirrel, if you want those species, watch Chip & Dale, there're your chipmunks!! Before I leave, in Sonic the Hedgehog #25, sonic faces Mecha Sonic. In the end of a race through a zone, Sonic pours on the speed and finishes the race. Mecha Sonic tries to catch up but there is to mush friction and his legs melt off. Now he wasn't running, he was flying using his jet pack and the jet intake in his stamach, so why'd his legs melt off due to friction? It's not the heat from the jet pack, he specifically says it is friction that does it. And if so, why didn't his arms melt off too? - Tarl - "I can't be stupid everyday." - unknown From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 15:14:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA18416 for sonic-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 14:44:03 -0400 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA18406 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 14:43:44 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA210708794; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 14:39:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 14:39:54 -0400 Message-Id: <950708143952_110573658@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius Zoology Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-07 20:27:03 EDT, lara@physics.utexas.edu writes: > In "Blast to the Past", Sally gave the year as somewhere in the >3000's >( I forgot exactly what year. [3224] ) This made me wonder, could Mobius be >the Earth >in the far future, wherein some animal species evolved into >anthropomorphs? First of all, if it was a future Earth, why isn't it still called Earth? Secondly, at the current rate of technological development, I'm sure that Sally would own something much better than a simple hand-held computer capable of having an intelligent conversation with anybody, disregarding their accent. My theory is that Mobius is another planet. Obviously, most of the animals evolved at the same rate. (Some more quickly than others according to "Run With the Fox.") Since they have gotten to the point where they are considered "intelligent life," they don't eat each other as their ancestors did. Tails is a mutant, Sally is a squirrel, and Antoine is a fox. (Question: why are all humans bent on world domination?) -B.B. "I am not just a doctor. I've been designed with the information from two thousand medical reference sources and the experience of forty-seven individual medical officers. I am the embodiment of modern medicine. How much dirt do you need?" -The Doctor, Star Trek: Voyager From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 17:44:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA19380 for sonic-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:28:37 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA19374 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:28:25 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA29474; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:22:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic, #26, Princess Sally Miniseries (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you want to reply directly to the message's author, please be sure your reply is addressed to cjb@brushtail.hna.com.au. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 05:32:33 +1000 From: Chris Baird To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic, #26, Princess Sally Miniseries lara@physics.utexas.edu: > I noticed that none of the new characters had "stick figure physique" > designs like the characters once had in the beginning of the comic book. > Personally, I'm glad that they're moving away from that style. What was the most unsettling when I saw the cartoon was how thin Sally was. However, if her species were weasel.. Also going on what the cartoon and comic shows us, I'm also going to insist that Bunnie is part Lop. :) (Lops: several breeds of domestic rabbit whose ears `flop' when they mature.) [Mobius Zoology] >>> ES: Also, if you assume Sally is indeed a squirrel, she would be >>> in danger with Tails and Antoine (foxes) around John Mankowski: > Well Logic like that really has no place in a Saterday Morning cartoon. > If the food chain really mattered here then sonic whould be in danger > around tails. Some weeks ago on another mailing list I noticed there was a supplier of entirely vegan chili dogs. :) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 19:50:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20227 for sonic-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:29:01 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20222 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:28:50 -0400 Received: from acmez.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmez.gatech.edu [130.207.165.24]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA09820 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:28:48 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmez.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA09751 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:28:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199507082328.TAA09751@acmez.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:28:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Nomad" at Jul 8, 95 11:39:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2208 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > > Ummm...as somebody pointed out a long time ago, Sally is *not* Tails' aunt. > > Remember that in the cartoon series, he also called Bunnie "Aunt Bunnie", > > and everybody called Sir Charles "Uncle Chuck." And, as somebody else pointed > > out a while back, the Archie people themselves have said that she is a > > squirrel. Now, I know that doesn't hold water with many people :), but they > > are the ones who write and draw her, so their's is a strong opinion, at any > > rate. > > Ok, so I made a mistake. But to Archie saying she is a ground > squirrel, they do make mistakes. After all, when asked what Sally's age is, > they replied fifteen. But in the cartoon "Drood Henge", she says she has > two years before her coming of age. (18) So who's right? I figure that the > cartoon is right, so your strong opinion has lost some of its punch. And as Drazen says in the FAQ, who's to say that the Mobian age of maturity isn't 17? After all, the cartoon *also* says she's 15, but it never gives an exact number for the age of maturity. So, 15 + 2 = 17, no? :) But I digress... > Sally 's head resembles her father in many ways, that proves she > is a fox! To those out there who think Sally is a chipmunk or ground > squirrel, if you want those species, watch Chip & Dale, there're your > chipmunks!! > Believe what you will. If yer that set about it, then believe what you will and quit pouting that others don't believe the same way. :) I look at her face and I see a squirrel. Go fig. -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 21:44:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA20925 for sonic-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:14:45 -0400 Received: from mail1.eworld.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA20920 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 21:14:34 -0400 From: BJIrish@eworld.com Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA120702443; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 18:14:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 18:14:03 -0700 Message-Id: <950708181354_11949000@eWorld.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >After all, the cartoon *also* says she's 15, but it never gives >an exact number for the age of maturity. So, 15 + 2 = 17, no? :) Um, no. Sally *did* say she wouldn't come of age until 18. Brian J. Irish BJIrish@eWorld.com From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 9 02:14:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA24498 for sonic-ll; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 02:01:49 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA24493 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 02:01:19 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id BAA28380 for Sonic@sard.mv.net; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 01:58:20 -0500 To: Sonic@sard.mv.net From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ACE031.00010018C7.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 00:49:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Hey i had some problems with the TELNET site with that one game on it. I tryed the Adress given to me and i doesn't work i can't really tell if i entered it right. I am useing the program EWAN can someone tell me the full adress? I am talking about that one game with the Vetural Knothole and stuff on it. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 9 11:44:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA26060 for sonic-ll; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 11:14:23 -0400 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA26054 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 11:14:12 -0400 Received: from usr1.primenet.com (usr1.primenet.com [198.68.32.11]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with ESMTP id IAA17068 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 08:14:09 -0700 Received: (rotor@localhost) by usr1.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-c2.0) id IAA10958; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 08:14:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 08:14:08 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <8ACE031.00010018C7.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sun, 9 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > Hey i had some problems with the TELNET site with that one game on it. > I tryed the Adress given to me and i doesn't work i can't really tell if > i entered it right. I am useing the program EWAN can someone tell me the > full adress? > > I am talking about that one game with the Vetural Knothole and stuff on > it. > The site is red_panda.tbyte.com 9999 For EWAN, make sure the under the oprt selction, not only is 9999 entered in that field there, but also that the field is selected instead of the 'Telnet' selection (Telnet's default port is 21) Assuming you connect, be sure to connect as a guest, and make a note of the EMail address where you send your request for a character. Page a wizard to let you out of the guest room. When one does, you'll be under some tree. type out, then taxi, then gfo ...Welcome to the Great Forest! (HINT: The Entrance to Knothole is hidden...always study the scenery descs carefully for clues) Hope to see you there! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A talent agent is a vampire with a telephone" --any movie producer --David Pistone's distinguished collection of stupid quotes David M. Pistone -- rotor@primenet.com __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / http://www.primenet.com/~rotor / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 00:14:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA01515 for sonic-ll; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 23:49:21 -0400 Received: from tibalt.supernet.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA01510 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 23:49:09 -0400 Received: from [204.209.1.33] (rd-p1.supernet.ab.ca) by tibalt.supernet.ab.ca with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA294388137; Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:48:57 -0600 X-Sender: sologar@mailhost.supernet.ab.ca Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:51:44 +0100 To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: sologar@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca (Nomad) Subject: Mecha Sonic's legs melting and Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally - a Weasel?? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > Before I leave, in Sonic the Hedgehog #25, sonic faces Mecha Sonic. > In the end of a race through a zone, Sonic pours on the speed and finishes > the race. Mecha Sonic tries to catch up but there is to much friction and > his legs melt off. Now he wasn't running, he was flying using his jet pack > and the jet intake in his stamach, so why'd his legs melt off due to > friction? It's not the heat from the jet pack, he specifically says it is > friction that does it. And if so, why didn't his arms melt off too? Has anyone have the awnser for this yet? And to the Sally species debate: > Just because her head resembles a fox doesn't mean she is a true fox. > Look at her tail. I don't see many foxes w/o tails. And I SERIOUSLY > doubt she lost that. That would have been explained by now if it was. > I'm not sure if she's a ground squirel or not...In my honest opinion, > I think she's a cross-breed. I can't think of any other way. She does > have the facial features of a fox, but her nose isn't as long as > other foxes, like Antione or Tails. I really don't think any of the > writers know what she really is, to tell you the truth. A cross breed is believable, and a possibility. To those that comment on the size of Sally's tail, Antoine has no tail as far as I can see in the cartoon and comic. So I must ask, if Sally isn't a fox because of her tail, what is Antoine? - Tarl - "Boy oh boy, this sure is a mess!" - Dulcy in 'Sonic Conversion' From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 08:49:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04356 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:26:20 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04351 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:26:06 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26091; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:25:58 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA27876; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:25:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9507101225.AA27876@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:25:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <950708181354_11949000@eWorld.com> from "BJIrish@eworld.com" at Jul 8, 95 06:14:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > >After all, the cartoon *also* says she's 15, but it never gives > >an exact number for the age of maturity. So, 15 + 2 = 17, no? :) > > Um, no. Sally *did* say she wouldn't come of age until 18. > > Brian J. Irish > BJIrish@eWorld.com > This is a recurring headache. Whereas the Archie Comix writers insist on making everyone age 15, the "Drood Henge" episode left the impression that Sally is 16. It's simply a discrepancy. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 09:02:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04414 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:38:27 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04409 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:38:15 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26253; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:38:07 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA28239; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:38:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9507101238.AA28239@edmund> Subject: Re: Just to show how far my memory's gone... To: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com (Ron Bauerle) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <950707101551.9d84@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at Jul 7, 95 10:15:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > >_Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ > >Michael Teitelbaum. Troll Associates, 1995 > > >_Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ > >Michael Teitelbaum. Troll Associates, 1995. > > Are these books, comics, or graphic novels? I think they're books, but I > want to be sure (if they had pictures in them, I _might_ be inclined to get > them :^)) > > Ron > These are books; novellas is more like it. Each is well under 100 pages, with occasional full-page illustrations by Glen Hanson. Teitelbaum's style has improved since the first book; he's gotten the hang of writing in Sonic's hip argot. One other notable feature: he plays Antoine extremely straight -- no jive Clouseau accent or general bumbling. You can find the books in the Juvenile Fiction center of your local bookstore, with the latest Goosebumps volume and the novelization of the MMPR movie (ack!). We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 14:16:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA08126 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:00:36 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA08119 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:00:22 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id NAA02171 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:57:23 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: your mail From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ACF2FC.000100190A.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 12:44:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8ACE1EE.00010018DE.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok i tryed it thismorning. It was way cool!!! I still haven't fount knothole yet. Maby i missed something coud i have another clue? Is it near the place where Robotropolis cam be seen. or is it naear that underground house? I am guessing it's near there but i don't know. I was on for maby 15 minuts. Does much action go on there. I mean does robotnik ever try anything? Let me know Btw: it said something about makeing your own places there. If that is true i might try that. I will try writeing some stories sometime that take place a year after Doomsday. and tell how Robotnik comes back from the dead. (But not for long). And I might want to try makeing some areas there that match the storys. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 14:45:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA08694 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:30:19 -0400 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA08688 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 14:30:07 -0400 Received: from usr5.primenet.com (usr5.primenet.com [198.68.32.15]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with ESMTP id LAA11936 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 11:30:04 -0700 Received: (rotor@localhost) by usr5.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-c2.0) id LAA17365; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 11:30:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 11:30:03 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <8ACF2FC.000100190A.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > Ok i tryed it thismorning. It was way cool!!! I still haven't fount > knothole yet. Maby i missed something coud i have another clue? Is it > near the place where Robotropolis cam be seen. or is it naear that > underground house? I am guessing it's near there but i don't know. I was > on for maby 15 minuts. Does much action go on there. I mean does > robotnik ever try anything? Let me know > So, you need another clue to the whereabouts of KNothole...well, your first mistake was leaving the location where the taxi dropped you off. That area is where the secret entrance is...look around, see anything familiar? A treestump?...vines one could swing on? Didn't some of the earlier sonic comics depict Knothole being underground? Ask yourself...what direction do you use to go underground? BTW, if you read the desc real good of the place hwere that Underground house was, you'd see that's where Bookshire lives...ah there's no place like home. Also, you can feel free to wander around Robotropolis, but Robotnik, wheather he's on or not will know you've been there! ;) As for things happening, like I said the whole MUCK is more socially oriented, but still, I sometimes have Packbell raise some sort of annoyance. Hope to see you around sometime, if you ever see Bookshire about, please say hello! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A talent agent is a vampire with a telephone" --any movie producer --David Pistone's distinguished collection of stupid quotes David M. Pistone -- rotor@primenet.com __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / http://www.primenet.com/~rotor / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 19:15:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA11921 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:48:46 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA11916 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:48:34 -0400 Received: from srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA05665; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:44:36 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:44:36 -0600 (MDT) From: "William T. Graham" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? In-Reply-To: <9507101225.AA27876@edmund> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > This is a recurring headache. Whereas the Archie Comix writers insist > on making everyone age 15, the "Drood Henge" episode left the impression > that Sally is 16. It's simply a discrepancy. Why couldn't Sally simply have had her 16th birthday in there somewhere? I was thinking about the meaning of the knothole village gang's names the other day... Sally Alicia: Sally is the diminutive form of Sarah, which is Hebrew for "princess". Alicia is a variation of Alice, which is from the French and Germanic, meaning "of noble rank". Bunnie is a shortend, diminutive form of Bernice or Berenice, which is Greek for "bringer of victory". (Nike, or Nice, means "victory".) Nicole is the French feminine form of Nicholas, which is from the Greek for "victory people". Dulcy (or Dulcie) is from the Latin for "sweet". Miles is from the French, from Germanic for "merciful". (Miles Prower is a particulary bad pun, IMHO. It's no wonder Tails doesn't like it.) Antoine is the French form of Anthony, from the Latin family name Antonius. Boomer/Rotor: Boomer may refer to a predilection towards explosive experiments. Rotor is a rotating part of a machine, so it has a kind of mechanical engineering connotation to it. Does Rotor seem to go around in circles, or be kind of spinny? Sonic Maurice: Since "Sonic" literally means "pertaining to sound", this may refer either to his speed (i.e. Mach 1), or to his big mouth. Probably both. "Maurice" (a joke from the Archie Sonic mini-series) is French for "the Moor". Perhaps Jaleel White had just been casted as Sonic's voice at that time, and this is a reference to him? I find the names of other, incidental characters to be amusing too, such as Spelunk the mole, a miser living underground in a cave, from an early episode of the Sonic weekday cartoon. - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! - From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 19:45:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA12527 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:32:52 -0400 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA12480 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:30:56 -0400 Received: from scorch.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA02482 for sard.mv.net!sonic; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:30:44 +1000 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au by scorch.hna.com.au with smtp tap_id root (Smail 3.1.28.1 #10) id m0sVLqX-000VuDC; Tue, 11 Jul 95 02:38 EST Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA02026; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 02:46:05 +1000 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 02:46:05 +1000 Message-Id: <199507101646.CAA02026@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au In-reply-to: sologar@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca's message of 10 Jul 1995 17:19:07 +1000 Subject: Re: Mecha Sonic's legs melting References: Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >> Before I leave, in Sonic the Hedgehog #25, sonic faces Mecha >> Sonic. In the end of a race through a zone, Sonic pours on the >> speed and finishes the race. Mecha Sonic tries to catch up but >> there is to much friction and his legs melt off. Now he wasn't >> running, he was flying using his jet pack and the jet intake in >> his stamach, so why'd his legs melt off due to friction? It's not >> the heat from the jet pack, he specifically says it is friction >> that does it. And if so, why didn't his arms melt off too? > Has anyone have the awnser for this yet? Ablation (a la` spacecraft reentry). Possibly Mecha's arms weren't effected because they kept a smaller profile to the atmosphere (and notice that it was the `shoes' that melted, not those spindly legs). Still, does anyone have a pet theory on how an organic mixture that is 90% water can have better heat resilience than another object held together at the molecular level with metallic bonding? Wow, we're all getting as bad as the Star Trek people... :) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 20:15:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA12333 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:19:46 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA12328 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:19:30 -0400 Received: from srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13398; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:15:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:15:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "William T. Graham" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Mecha Sonic's legs melting, and Sally in Sonic #25. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sun, 9 Jul 1995, Nomad wrote: > > Before I leave, in Sonic the Hedgehog #25, sonic faces Mecha Sonic. > > In the end of a race through a zone, Sonic pours on the speed and finishes > > the race. Mecha Sonic tries to catch up but there is to much friction and > > his legs melt off. Now he wasn't running, he was flying using his jet pack > > and the jet intake in his stamach, so why'd his legs melt off due to > > friction? It's not the heat from the jet pack, he specifically says it is > > friction that does it. And if so, why didn't his arms melt off too? > > Has anyone have the awnser for this yet? It could be due to the heat generated from friction with the air. Since his legs stick out farther than his arms, they would experience the most friction and melt first. Also, his arms are pointing directly into the airstream, which also reduces drag and hence frictive heating, while his legs dangle down, broadside to the wind. Although Mecha-Sonic has titanium steel alloy skin, I would guess that his arm and leg joints are weak spots... > And to the Sally species debate: > To those that > comment on the size of Sally's tail, Antoine has no tail as far as I can > see in the cartoon and comic. So I must ask, if Sally isn't a fox because > of her tail, what is Antoine? Antoine is a buffoon. Sally wears most of her tail on her head... Regardless of her species, I just love the way Spaz drew her in Sonic #25, especially when she is parachuting (on pp. 19 and 21). - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! - From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 20:52:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12946 for sonic-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:28:18 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12941 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:28:07 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA19721; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:21:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Mecha Sonic's legs melting (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you want to reply directly to its author, please be sure your message is addressed to BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net Cc: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Subject: Re: Mecha Sonic's legs melting >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 02:46:05 +1000 >From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au (aka Chris Baird, I assume...) >>> It's not the heat from the jet pack, he specifically says it is >>> friction that does it. And if so, why didn't his arms melt off too? >Ablation (a la` spacecraft reentry). Possibly Mecha's arms weren't >effected because they kept a smaller profile to the atmosphere (and >notice that it was the `shoes' that melted, not those spindly legs). Works for me :^) >Still, does anyone have a pet theory on how an organic mixture that >is 90% water can have better heat resilience than another object >held together at the molecular level with metallic bonding? You haven't read your Flash comics for a while :^) Obviously Sonic has an "aura" around him that protects him from his hyperspeed... RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 08:46:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA17856 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:30:36 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA17851 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:30:17 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17169; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:30:07 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA26016; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:30:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9507111230.AA26016@edmund> Subject: Re: Just to show how far my memory's gon To: VJKX48E@prodigy.com (ERIC K GOODWIN) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <013.08482085.VJKX48E@prodigy.com> from "ERIC K GOODWIN" at Jul 10, 95 09:16:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > > >_Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ > > Michael Teitelbaum. Troll Associates, 1995 > > >_Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ > > Michael Teitelbaum. Troll Associates, 1995. > You say these are at any local Library? Hmm.. I might grab one. Is > this after the weekend sonic shows, or the kiddie-like weekday ones? > (I prey its the weekend one) > As much as a supporter of libraries as I am, you'll probably have better luck at your local bookstore. Hard to say where Teitelbaum draws his inspiration. The first book was obviously based on the original miniseries, though taken in skips and short hops from one story to another. I haven't nailed down the second story's origins, or how it differs from the comics' explanation of how Bunnie came to be partially roboticized. The third book (Fortress of Fear) has a fairly complex plot line and is IMHO the best of the lot so far. Don't know if it's based on a comic or TV ep. "Friend or Foe" is, as I said, based on the "Game Guy" ep from the Sat AM series [second season]. There are too many eps in the syndicated (daily) Sonic to keep track of, and as far as I'm concerned they are of dubious canonical value. As for the comics, I only started getting into them with issue #18; anything before that, I'm afraid I can't help you. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ "Y'all should know me, Robotnik...you made me part of what I am!" Bunnie, "Fortified", Sonic #26 ================================================================= From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 16:16:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA23763 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:16:32 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA23752 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:16:07 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08149; Tue, 11 Jul 95 15:21:20 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 37501W Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:11:49 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Mecha Sonic's legs melting and Re: Sonic#26: Princess Sally - a Wease Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:26:51 GMT Message-Id: <95071115114949542@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> > other foxes, like Antione or Tails. I really don't think any of th -> > writers know what she really is, to tell you the truth. -> -> A cross breed is believable, and a possibility. To those that -> comment on the size of Sally's tail, Antoine has no tail as far as I -> see in the cartoon and comic. So I must ask, if Sally isn't a fox bec -> of her tail, what is Antoine? -> -> -> - -> Tarl -> - -> "Boy oh boy, this sure is a mess!" - Dulcy in 'Sonic Conversion' -> -> -> On Antione... perhaps he lost his tail at an early age. That might explain his nervousness and fear... the psychological impact of somehing like that can really screw you up... rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 16:37:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA23762 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:16:28 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA23751 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:16:06 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08153; Tue, 11 Jul 95 15:21:21 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 37502W Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:11:50 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:30:24 GMT Message-Id: <95071115115049543@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) -> To: sard.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:25:58 -0400 (EDT) -> Subject: Re: Sonic#26:Princess Sally - a Weasel?? -> -> > -> > >After all, the cartoon *also* says she's 15, but it never gives -> > >an exact number for the age of maturity. So, 15 + 2 = 17, no? :) -> > -> > Um, no. Sally *did* say she wouldn't come of age until 18. -> > -> > Brian J. Irish -> > BJIrish@eWorld.com -> > -> -> This is a recurring headache. Whereas the Archie Comix writers insis -> on making everyone age 15, the "Drood Henge" episode left the impress -> that Sally is 16. It's simply a discrepancy. -> -> We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. What discrepancy? Sally is fifteen, but nearly sixteen (say fifteen years, nine or ten months). THat's close enough to two years difference. Easy, huh? rob Remember the final words of Socrates, my child... "I drank WHAT?" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 20:23:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA27453 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 20:10:39 -0400 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA27448 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 20:10:27 -0400 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04375; Tue, 11 Jul 95 18:10:24 MDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 18:10:24 MDT Message-Id: <9507120010.AA04375@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Miles Prowler Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I read in the Sonic FAQ that if you said "Miles Prowler" real fast, you get a joke about Tails' real name. I said it many times, but I didn't get the joke. Can someone shed some light on this? Thanx. BTW. To quote Tails from Heads or Tails (Sat. Morn. 1st season)... "Sonic, I got to go to the bathroom. Real, real bad!" -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 21:52:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA27952 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:15:40 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA27946 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:15:29 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA014471696; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:14:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:14:56 -0400 Message-Id: <950711211455_112826005@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Miles Prowler Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-11 20:27:14 EDT, ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) writes: > I read in the Sonic FAQ that if you said "Miles Prowler" >real fast, you get a joke about Tails' real name. > I said it many times, but I didn't get the joke. Can >someone shed some light on this? Thanx. First of all, it's Miles Prower, no "L." But to help you out, think of speed and how to measure it... (As long as you're in the U.S. anyway.) -B.B. "Simple, just change the gravitational constant of the universe." -Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 22:18:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28515 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:13:31 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28510 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:13:13 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA00777; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:13:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Miles Prowler In-Reply-To: <9507120010.AA04375@rgfn.epcc.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, John W. Johnston wrote: > I read in the Sonic FAQ that if you said "Miles Prowler" > real fast, you get a joke about Tails' real name. > I said it many times, but I didn't get the joke. Can > someone shed some light on this? Thanx. OK, try saying it to someone else and tell them to repeat what you just said. That's how I learned the pun. I happened to say it to someone, and they had no idea I was saying "Miles Prower". ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 22:30:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28180 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:47:06 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28169 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:46:53 -0400 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA15770 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:46:45 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA13873 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:46:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199507120146.VAA13873@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Miles Prowler To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:46:43 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9507120010.AA04375@rgfn.epcc.Edu> from "John W. Johnston" at Jul 11, 95 06:10:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 966 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > > > I read in the Sonic FAQ that if you said "Miles Prowler" > real fast, you get a joke about Tails' real name. > I said it many times, but I didn't get the joke. Can > someone shed some light on this? Thanx. > "Miles Prower" -> "miles per hour" Speed joke. later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 22:50:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28751 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:39:36 -0400 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28738 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:39:22 -0400 From: Matmilam@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA050856530; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:35:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:35:30 -0400 Message-Id: <950711223528_112893545@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Please Read This.. Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is Matthew Milam. I am sorry for subscribing and unsubscring, but i'm looking for a new provider and a think a found one and i'm going to test it out. My new address will be: Matmilam@tezcat.com Please forgive me.... Matmilam From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 23:50:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA29201 for sonic-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:31:58 -0400 Received: from tibalt.supernet.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA29196 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:31:46 -0400 Received: from [204.209.1.37] (rd-p5.supernet.ab.ca) by tibalt.supernet.ab.ca with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA197799890; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:31:30 -0600 X-Sender: sologar@mailhost.supernet.ab.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 21:34:21 +0100 To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: sologar@tibalt.supernet.ab.ca (Nomad) Subject: Mecha Sonic, Princess Sally Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > Antoine is a buffoon. I can't argue with that! > Sally wears most of her tail on her head... > Regardless of her species, I just love the way Spaz drew her in Sonic #25, > especially when she is parachuting (on pp. 19 and 21). Again, I can't argue. To all the theories about Mecha Sonic's legs melting, those were believeable, so I step down from that topic. Now for a theory I thought up on Sonic's brain. It is called the Sonic's Cranium Catastrophy. To reply, on the subject put Sonic's Cranium. Ok, here is the theory: Sonic travels at various increadable speeds. Now when he stops, it is almost imediate. So his brain would hit the inside of his skull a lot. This could be the reason he is so rude, impatient and so slow minded. Does anyone agree? Has anyone tryed to start a petition to make them create more cartoons? Hey, with a little work we might get the cartoon back! Oh, are the novels any good? Er, novellas....are there any NOVELS? 100 pages is a little short for me. And I haven't seen any graphic novels, are there any out there? In the cartoon, Sonic gets his chilidogs from a dispenser machine. How could it keep creating chilidogs everytime Sonic wants one or two a day? And no "It could be a replicator" replies, this is not Star trek. A person was asking for help with a game. Where on the net is this game? I need directions. One last question, how old is Antoine? - Tarl - "You can tell I'm a living legend, not some ordinary creep." - Weird "Al" Yancovic From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 02:15:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA29884 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:59:09 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA29879 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:58:59 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA055658707; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:58:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:58:27 -0400 Message-Id: <950712015824_113035854@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Vending maching Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-11 23:53:35 EDT, you write: >And no "It could be a replicator" replies, this is not Star trek. No, but it could be nanites. Remember the whole "How did Robotnik make the Doomsday pods so fast" discussion? A chili dog is much smaller than a UFO. -B.B. "If they still don't get it, explain it to them in terms of pain." -Paul Toth From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 09:26:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02589 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:57:54 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02584 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:57:36 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17680; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:57:31 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA18369; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:57:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9507121257.AA18369@edmund> Subject: Re: Mecha Sonic, Princess Sally To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:57:28 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Nomad" at Jul 11, 95 09:34:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Now for a theory I thought up on Sonic's brain. It is called the > Sonic's Cranium Catastrophy. To reply, on the subject put Sonic's Cranium. > Ok, here is the theory: Sonic travels at various increadable speeds. Now > when he stops, it is almost imediate. So his brain would hit the inside of > his skull a lot. This could be the reason he is so rude, impatient and so > slow minded. Does anyone agree? > 'Fraid I have to disagree. Rude Sonic may be, impatient is a given, but "slow-minded"? That's not only an insult, it's too far out of character. It's the impatience, the refusal to noodle things through, that causes Sonic to act rashly at times. Not the Mobian equivalent of "playing football without a helmet." > Has anyone tryed to start a petition to make them create more > cartoons? Hey, with a little work we might get the cartoon back! > ABC may be a lost cause at this point, certainly for the '95-96 season. Then again, it was reported in rec.arts.animation (by no less a honcho than Mark Evanier, producer of "Garfield and Friends" and frequent contributor to the r.a.a fun and games) that the ABC kidvid execs who committed the network to showing a series based on "Dumb and Dumber" have gotten the sack. Any kind of letter-writing campaign would have to be a 3-pronged one: writing to ABC, DiC and Sega. Who knows, maybe by the 96-97 season Morphin' mania will have run its course as well. > Oh, are the novels any good? Er, novellas....are there any NOVELS? > 100 pages is a little short for me. And I haven't seen any graphic novels, > are there any out there? > Of the Teitelbaum books, "Fortress of Fear" is, I think, the best written. "Sonic the Hedgehog" and "Friend or Foe" rely too much on reworking established plotlines. I doubt there are any graphic novels out there. > > One last question, how old is Antoine? > He was about the same age as the other kids in "Blast to the Past" so I'd put him in his mid-teens as well. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 10:26:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA03317 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:59:23 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA03310 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:59:11 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id JAA02664 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:56:11 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Mecha Sonic, Princess Sally From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AD1202.0001001979.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 08:34:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8AD050E.0001001969.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> Has anyone tryed to start a petition to make them create more -> cartoons? Hey, with a little work we might get the cartoon back! Well that wouldn't be possible. For one, Sega cancelled the contract after DIC started to sell some animation stills from the show and that got Sega P.O.ed. Also robotnik bit the dust at the end of the show. Now that wouldn't be too much of a problem. I am trying to write a story where robotnik comes back in a way that sounds like something they would do in Jurassic park. OOPS I SAID TOO MUCH ALREADY! -> Oh, are the novels any good? Er, novellas....are there any -> NOVELS? -> 100 pages is a little short for me. And I haven't seen any graphic -> novels, are there any out there? I think they are 100 page books with some pictures. I have also seen a book that was made for younger kids. It's a really short book like a picture story book. Forget what it was called. Also if they can't get the TV show back why not they get Time Warner to get rights form Sega and Archie to make some Audio plays like they make. I have heard a few of TWs Audio Plays before and they do a good job. What i was thinking is they could get the cartoon cast back together to preform some of the Comics -> A person was asking for help with a game. Where on the net is -> this -> game? I need directions. Ok it's a service called Furtooia. I had the Telnet adress somewhere here but can't find it right now. I have it on my EWAN program so i can try thst. Here is what i remember Telnet to red_panda.tbyte.com port 9999 logon as a guest they will tell you how ring for a help wizard online to let you out of the guest room tyoe out till your outside ofthis big tree type taxi then gfo then type d your in Knothole! -> One last question, how old is Antoine? -> - Well in the episode Blast from the Past they have him with the rest of the kids. I whoud guess he is about the same age as Sonic and Sally Hope that cleared some things up From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 12:50:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA05136 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:18:09 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA05127 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:17:51 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA11134; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:17:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:17:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic's IQ In-Reply-To: <9507121257.AA18369@edmund> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > 'Fraid I have to disagree. Rude Sonic may be, impatient is a given, but > "slow-minded"? That's not only an insult, it's too far out of > character. It's the impatience, the refusal to noodle things through, > that causes Sonic to act rashly at times. Not the Mobian equivalent of > "playing football without a helmet." I thought Sonic was intellecutally slow. Sally is always teasing him about it too. Sonic is pretty clever (getting out of situations), but I can't see him taking apart Nicole and be able to figure out what all the pieces do. He would rather just shake her until she worked. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 15:16:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA07468 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:44:59 -0400 Received: from sonic.segaoa.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA07461 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:44:37 -0400 Received: from blackhole.segaoa.com ([198.176.8.69]) by sonic.segaoa.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19133; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:45:50 +0800 Received: by blackhole.segaoa.com with Microsoft Mail id <300417CA@blackhole.segaoa.com>; Wed, 12 Jul 95 11:43:22 PDT From: "Wallis, Mike" To: Sonic mailing list Subject: RE: Sonic's IQ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 11:43:00 PDT Message-Id: <300417CA@blackhole.segaoa.com> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 content-length: 421 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >I thought Sonic was intellecutally slow. Sally is always teasing him about it >too. Sonic is pretty clever (getting out of situations), but I can't see him >taking apart Nicole and be able to figure out what all the pieces do. He >would rather just shake her until she worked. According to Sonic's bio, he is "of average intelligence." He's not slow, just impatient, which causes him to rush into things. -Mike From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 16:16:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08689 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:10:20 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08680 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:10:08 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA27940; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:03:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:03:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Mecha Sonic, Princess Sally In-Reply-To: <8AD1202.0001001979.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > Well that wouldn't be possible. For one, Sega cancelled the contract after > DIC started to sell some animation stills from the show and that got > Sega P.O.ed. That's one rumor (cf. faq-dd) which you are presenting as a fact. If you heard this officially, please state your source. > Also robotnik bit the dust at the end of the show. Now that At the end of the Doomsday episode, he left but there's no clear indication that he died, leaving the door open to his return if he so chooses. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 16:38:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08736 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:12:55 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08731 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:12:37 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA28105; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:06:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: ABC execs, was Re: Mecha Sonic, Princess Sally (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you want to reply directly to its author, please be sure your message is addressed to BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net Cc: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Subject: ABC execs, was Re: Mecha Sonic, Princess Sally >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:57:28 -0400 (EDT) >> Has anyone tryed to start a petition to make them create more >> cartoons? Hey, with a little work we might get the cartoon back! >ABC may be a lost cause at this point, certainly for the '95-96 season. >Then again, it was reported in rec.arts.animation (by no less a honcho >than Mark Evanier, producer of "Garfield and Friends" and frequent >contributor to the r.a.a fun and games) that the ABC kidvid execs who >committed the network to showing a series based on "Dumb and Dumber" >have gotten the sack. I was tempted to post a follow-up asking if these were the same execs who cancelled Sonic :^) >Any kind of letter-writing campaign would have to be a 3-pronged one: >writing to ABC, DiC and Sega. Who knows, maybe by the 96-97 season >Morphin' mania will have run its course as well. If it could happen to Barney, it could happen to the Mighty Amana Radar Ranges... RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 16:45:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08617 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:07:01 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08612 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:06:49 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05389; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:04:50 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA13071; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:04:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9507122004.AA13071@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic's IQ To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:04:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Ratman" at Jul 12, 95 12:17:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > > > 'Fraid I have to disagree. Rude Sonic may be, impatient is a given, but > > "slow-minded"? That's not only an insult, it's too far out of > > character. It's the impatience, the refusal to noodle things through, > > that causes Sonic to act rashly at times. Not the Mobian equivalent of > > "playing football without a helmet." > > [Ratman's rebuttal]: > I thought Sonic was intellecutally slow. Sally is always teasing him about it > too. Sonic is pretty clever (getting out of situations), but I can't see him > taking apart Nicole and be able to figure out what all the pieces do. He > would rather just shake her until she worked. > I've been thinking about these issues in terms of a piece of fanfic I'm working on. My working consensus is: Sally is extremely bright, and being royalty and all she had early chances to take advantage of it. She may not have had intensive training before Robotnik took over, but Julayla (her tutor, whose passing was noted in Sonic #18) apparently saw to her education. Again, I have to assert that Sonic's "slowness" in intellectual terms has more to do with his character/personality than with his physical ability to learn and/or retain. Despite such jibes from Sally as "Where were you when they passed out the brains?" (cf., "Sonic's Nightmare," first season, SatAM), I think Sonic is of average intelligence for a Mobian. He's swift enough to come up with reposts and retorts for Robotnik and Snively, so he's got a quick wit at the very least. Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' with it. Forget about Willy; Free Mobius! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 17:15:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA09132 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:47:35 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA09127 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:47:23 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05281; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:48:23 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA12623; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:48:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9507121948.AA12623@edmund> Subject: Sonic v. Free Willy: Why? To: VJKX48E@prodigy.com (ERIC K GOODWIN) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <013.08573603.VJKX48E@prodigy.com> from "ERIC K GOODWIN" at Jul 12, 95 12:42:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Man this sucks that ABC won't show the thid season. I was waiting for > a good time to see that 3rd season... I have almost every episode > ever shown, except one: The one in the 2nd season when they started > with the derobotisization process. "Sonic Conversion" > But one thing I wanna know is WHY > would a tv network like ABc kill an ongoing thing like the Sonic > series which had some decent popularity, but NOT kill somehting as > stupid as Free Willy that nobody watches? Can someone figure that out? > I may not have the definitive answer, but that never stopped me from posting before ;-) : TV execs measure "decent popularity" in terms of Nielsen ratings, and as long as Sonic was up against MMPR on Fox, the blue guy didn't stand a chance. Then, too, we're entering another "cleaning up our act" kidvid phase. Every so often, the guardians of the airways and the just-plain busybodies prevail on the TV execs to at least put on a pretense of serving the public interest. Because of this, execs will look to their more innnocuous fare, thinking that if nobody complains about it then it must be OK (while conveniently forgetting the corollary to the theory: if nobody says anything about a series it may be because it's such a dog that nobody watches it). Still, ABC had committed Free Willy for a second season so rather than continue screening a show that had fallen by the Nielsen wayside they simply started doubling-up on the show which had already had its option picked up. If they think they're going to earn any new viewers as a result of this, though, they might be in for a disappointing surprise. This all makes sense if you're a TV programming executive...admittedly a lower form of life than your average hedgehog. Forget about Willy; Free Mobius! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 20:24:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11168 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:53:04 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11157 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:52:50 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA07920; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:46:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic v. Free Willy: Why? In-Reply-To: <9507121948.AA12623@edmund> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > disappointing surprise. This all makes sense if you're a TV programming > executive...admittedly a lower form of life than your average hedgehog. It's really tricky to program a TV station or network, particularly when planning out your next fall season. You don't know what your competition is going to do until they announce it (if they even do). Likewise, they don't know what you are going to do until you announce it (if you even do). I had a class where one of our projects was to develop that fall's prime time schedule for two networks (this was in a Spring semester). My group was assigned ABC and Fox. One decision I made for ABC is that the network was doing so bad on Saturday that we would drop everything and start over from scratch. Sunday posed a special problem because "America's Funniest Home Videos" was the perfect lead-in to "The Simpsons" on another network (a rarely seen situation). Call 'em jaded, short-sighted, over-conservative, or what have you, but those people do have difficult jobs. There's enough money on the line that one wrong move will get you fired. And being known as the man, woman, or hedgehog who caused your now-former employer to not even show up in the ratings for a time slot (or (yipes!) an entire evening) will make it very tough to get another job in the business. It was interesting to see how my group's decisions compared against the actual fall schedules. If you want to see them, ask me for the RTV 414 project in direct mail (not on the mailing list). I think I still have a copy of that year's fall schedule. I know I don't remember it now. > Forget about Willy; Free Mobius! Let's give Willy to the Annheusser-Busch people so he can go join Shamu; maybe they'll get to be good friends. As for Mobius, that's why we're here, supporting the Rebel Alliance until victory has been achieved. Remember to buy bonds and it's "taxes to beat the Axis". Oops, wrong war :-) |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 21:15:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11893 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:13:26 -0400 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11884 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:13:13 -0400 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00104; Wed, 12 Jul 95 19:13:09 MDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 19:13:09 MDT Message-Id: <9507130113.AA00104@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic v. Free Willy: Why? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I believe "Free Willy" technically belongs to the Warner Brothers (yes, and their sister, Dot). As far as I know, the WB network is pulling out all of their cartoons for the "WB Kids Network." I donot know if they have a Saturday Morning line-up, but if they do, I pray they will take that 2 1/4 ton anchovy with them. But as far as I heard, Sega shredded the contract with DiC (the Sonic cartoon producers) because they sold animation cells without Sega's permission. I am currently asking one of Sega's tech support people to look into the possible existance of a third season with Sonic. Let's all hope for the best... -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 21:50:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12030 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:34:48 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12025 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:34:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (bradc@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA11519; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:38:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Clark Subject: Re: Sonic v. Free Willy: Why? To: sonic@sard.mv.net cc: sonic@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507130113.AA00104@rgfn.epcc.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > But as far as I heard, Sega shredded the contract with > DiC (the Sonic cartoon producers) because they sold animation > cells without Sega's permission. I am currently asking one of > Sega's tech support people to look into the possible existance > of a third season with Sonic. Let's all hope for the best... I actually wrote Sega, and DIC about this. Neither of them gave much of an answer. Sega, just sent me the standard old form letter saying, "we value your comments" blah...blah...blah. (If they valued my comments they would have answered my question!) DIC, didn't even bother to respond. I've never had much luck at getting responses from studios though. Both Nelvana and Hanna-Barbarra have ignore me as well. Anyone care to write a letter to ABC and let 'em know what we think? If it was really Sega's fault for the show getting cancelled, perhaps we should all let Sega know how upset we are at them. I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps Sega is purposely trying to hide Sonic under the carpet....maybe becuase of Saturn? They are a video game company after all. Just thought I'd share this little bit of nothingness. Brad. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 22:16:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12143 for sonic-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:46:41 -0400 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12138 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:46:30 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA162979954; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:45:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:45:54 -0400 Message-Id: <950712214552_31537889@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic's IQ Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-12 16:56:11 EDT, drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) writes: >He's [Sonic's] swift enough to come up with reposts and retorts for >Robotnik and Snively, so he's got a quick wit at the very least. Sonic has practical knowledge. He knows the ins and outs of Robotropolis (and where to get a good chili dog), but I doubt he could go about graphing quadratic equations. Since Robotnik conquored Mobitropolis when Sonic was only five, he obviously didn't get a chance to learn much. But since Rosie was with him /*Blast to the Past 2*/, she probably tutored him when she could. -B.B. "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -Douglas Adams From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 04:45:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA14614 for sonic-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:29:18 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA14609 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:29:07 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id EAA06923 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:26:07 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: RE: Sonic's IQ From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AD2089.00010019A9.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 02:17:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8AD12BF.0001001990.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> According to Sonic's bio, he is "of average intelligence." He's not -> slow, just impatient, which causes him to rush into things. Well that is true in the Comic and show. But in the Avntures of Sonic the Hedgehog Cartoon he actuly alot smarter there. I think the reason is because he is the only main hero other then tails. So they have to make him smarter. I do think that he could learn alt more if he could just slow down so that someone could teach him. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 08:45:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA16096 for sonic-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:22:31 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA16090 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:22:20 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18492; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:22:16 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA19984; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:22:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9507131222.AA19984@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic v. Free Willy: Why? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:22:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9507130113.AA00104@rgfn.epcc.Edu> from "John W. Johnston" at Jul 12, 95 07:13:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > I believe "Free Willy" technically belongs to the Warner Brothers > (yes, and their sister, Dot). As far as I know, the WB network is > pulling out all of their cartoons for the "WB Kids Network." I > donot know if they have a Saturday Morning line-up, but if they > do, I pray they will take that 2 1/4 ton anchovy with them. Never having seen the show, let alone the closing credits, I can't comment on whether FW is a Warner show. However, I DO know that ABC has already pencilled it into their fall kidvid lineup, with the expectation that it'll be some kind of nonviolent, politically-correct window-dressing. Forget about Willy; Free Mobius! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 09:02:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA16018 for sonic-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:15:17 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA16008 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:15:04 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18368; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:14:59 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA19642; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:14:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9507131214.AA19642@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic's IQ To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:14:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8AD2089.00010019A9.uuout@outdoor.com> from "JOHN MANKOWSKI" at Jul 13, 95 02:17:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Well that is true in the Comic and show. But in the Avntures of Sonic > the Hedgehog Cartoon he actuly alot smarter there. I think the reason is > because he is the only main hero other then tails. So they have to make > him smarter. I do think that he could learn alt more if he could just > slow down so that someone could teach him. > Comparing the syndicated Sonic with the SatAM or comix is problematical for me, at any rate. The syndie series is simply way over the top in terms of situations and characterizations, and has little or no consistency with the rest of the Sonic material. Besides, it's not difficult for Sonic to look "smarter" than villains who, in the words of good ol' Joe Bob, are as dumb as a box of rocks. Robotnik was a credible evil presence in the SatAM series: in the dailies, he's closer to being a buffoon. So, IMHO, there's no comparison. Forget about Willy; Free Mobius! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 17:15:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA22706 for sonic-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:55:33 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA22700 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:55:21 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA19729 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:42:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:48:39 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.08623068.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic v. Free Willy: Why? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >Let's give Willy to the Annheusser-Busch people so he can go join Shamu; >maybe they'll get to be good friends. Actually, Annheusser-Busch already HAS Willy. The "actor" who played him resides in Sea World in Florida. >< Somebody's got to do it! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 17:45:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA23246 for sonic-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 17:35:03 -0400 Received: from sonic.segaoa.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA23232 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 17:34:49 -0400 Received: from blackhole.segaoa.com ([198.176.8.69]) by sonic.segaoa.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24429; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 14:35:59 +0800 Received: by blackhole.segaoa.com with Microsoft Mail id <30059142@blackhole.segaoa.com>; Thu, 13 Jul 95 14:33:54 PDT From: "Wallis, Mike" To: Sonic mailing list Subject: RE: Sonic's IQ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 14:32:00 PDT Message-Id: <30059142@blackhole.segaoa.com> Encoding: 16 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 content-length: 655 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >-> According to Sonic's bio, he is "of average intelligence." He's not >-> slow, just impatient, which causes him to rush into things. >Well that is true in the Comic and show. But in the Avntures of Sonic >the Hedgehog Cartoon he actuly alot smarter there. I think the reason is >because he is the only main hero other then tails. So they have to make >him smarter. I do think that he could learn alt more if he could just >slow down so that someone could teach him. Actually, it is true according to Sega. You might not see it through his actions or some situations he's involved in, but that's the official word, according to his bio. -Mike From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 17:47:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA22741 for sonic-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:58:25 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA22736 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:58:15 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA31764 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:42:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:48:41 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.08623069.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: ABC execs, was Re: Mecha Sonic, Prin Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >If it could happen to Barney, it could happen to the Mighty Amana Radar >Ranges... Don't you mean the MIDI-Mapping Diaper Changers? (My friend Nils came up with that name...) Anyways, it's clear that the ABC people are just a bunch of IDIOTS, if they choose a terrible show based on a fairly good movie over a great show based on a great game series! Oh well...I only got to see Sonic a few times anyway... >< Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 08:55:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28635 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:51 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28629 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:39 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09422; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:36 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA07590; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9507141241.AA07590@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net NOTICE: The fact that episode and story summaries appear here means there is a good chance that you will encounter spoilers. This is your only notice! II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE 1. First Season: 1993-94 Super Sonic Writer: Jules Dennis When Nicole malfunctions, Sonic and Sally go to Robotropolis to get replacement parts. While there, they discover the Forbidden Zone and a being named Lezar. Lezar causes Sonic to lose his speed abilities, and teaches him that he can still accomplish things without it. Sonic Boom Writer: Len Janson While on a mission in Robotropolis, Sally intercepts a message which includes the use of her father's pet name for her. They follow the lead to the Dark Swamp and the remains of Ironlock Prison. In the process, a freedom fighter named Cat is captured. The freedom fighters gain maps to Robotropolis, but the search for Sally's father proves futile. Sonic and Sally Writers: Pat Allee and Ben Hurst Before becoming the principle writers for the second season, Allee and Hurst wrote this account of Sally's capture by Robotnik's forces. Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Back in Knothole, Tails begins to doubt Sally's behavior because of small details, such as how she reads a bedtime story. After first dismissing Tails' fears, Sonic also comes to realizes he's been dealing with a "Stepford Sally." Hooked on Sonics Writer: Randy Rogel In an attempt to impress Sally, Antoine tries to capture Robotnik by himself. He attempts to lure Robotnik into the open with the offer of a power ring, but Antoine is himself captured and Sonic has to rescue him. Ultra Sonic Writer: David Villaire While on a raid in Robotropolis, Sonic finds his Uncle Chuck as a robot worker in a crystal mine. Uncle Chuck recovers his mind and will long enough to help destroy a giant crystal which would have damaged the ecosystem of the entire planet. As Uncle Chuck loses control of his will, Sonic vows to return for him. Sonic's Nightmare Writer: Frank Santopadre The freedom fighters are captured and held on a deserted island refinery. Sonic must not only rescue them but he also has to deal with a recurring nightmare where he unable to prevent Sally's being roboticized. Warp Sonic Writer: Matt Uitz The freedom fighters discover an underground civilization called Lower Mobius and one of its citizens, Griff. Lower Mobius draws energy from a power crystal, but it is weakening. Feigning friendship, Griff visits Knothole and steals the power stone which is the source of the power rings. After fighting off some mechanical rats, the power stone is retrieved. Griff apologizes for his theft and is given a portion of the stone to aid Lower Mobius. Harmonic Sonic Writer: David Villaire After Robotnik launches a robot-manned orbiting space station to locate Knothole, the Knothole freedom fighters use a rocket booster to reach and destroy it. Sonic and the Secret Scrolls Writer: Janis Diamond The freedom fighters journey to Mauga (sp?) to recover some legendary scrolls, but Robotnik is tailing them. Robotnik's ship is hurled off a plateau by a violent wind, and the Knothole gang mistakenly believe he is finished. Will they make the same mistake at the end of the second season? Sub-Sonic Writer: Barbara Slade Sonic discovers a stream of water that makes plants grow at a fantastic rate. In their search for the source, the Knothole gang discover a subterranean creature whose habitat has been disturbed by Robotnik's drilling operations. Heads or Tails Writer: Len Janson On a raid of Robotropolis, Sonic runs into Muttski, his now- roboticized pet dog and vows to return him to normal someday. The freedom fighters also have to contend with a squadron of Buzzbombers carrying an orange defoliant [Agent Orange? Hmmmm...] intent on destroying the Great Forest and exposing Knothole. Artwork in this ep is decidedly off-model. Sonic Past Cool Writers: Kayte Kuch & Sheryl Scarborough Tails finds a baby terrapod and the freedom fighters escort the terrapod herd to Boulder Bay, where they will be safe from Robotnik. Sonic Racer Writer: Len Janson While on a mission to disable Robotnik's power generators, Sonic is tempted into participating in a contest against a super-fast robot designed to capture him. While he engages the bot, Bunnie, Sally and Antoine go after their target: Robotnik's back-up generator. 2. Second Season: 1994-95 Game Guy Sonic rescues someone from capture by Robotnik; he turns out to be Ari, a freedom fighter from another group. Ari directs Sonic to a place which turns out to be a trap. Sonic manages to escape (after Robotnik toys with him), but Ari--whose comrades were roboticized and who was himself deceived by Robotnik--is sucked into the Void. Before falling into the Void, Ari says something about a list of other freedom fighters. Sonic Conversion To my way of thinking, THE breakthrough episode for the series! The Knothole gang test a deroboticizing process on Bunnie, whose partially-roboticized body is returned to normal. Sonic then goes after Uncle Chuck and is able to convince him to undergo the process. However, the process turns out to be only temporary as, in a poignant scene, Bunnie reverts to a half-robot. When Uncle Chuck reverts to robotic form, he captures Tails and Antoine for delivery to Robotnik; Sonic confronts him and manages to break the hold on Uncle Chuck's mind. Uncle Chuck returns to Robotropolis to work as a spy for the Knothole gang. No Brainer Sonic's thought processes are temporarily scrambled while on a mission in Robotropolis. Taking advantage of the situation, Snively convinces Sonic that they are friends. The disruption wears off just as the Knothole gang face imminent capture. Blast to the Past (two parts) Dulcy takes Sonic and Sally to a floating island where they use the Time Stones to return to Mobotropolis on the eve of the planet's conquest by Dr. Robotnik (then known as Julian, affiliated with the War Ministry and supposedly in charge of its dismantling). They also encounter themselves as 5-year-olds and learn that it was Sonic's Uncle Chuck who had perfected the roboticizer process in the first place, though Julian/Robotnik stole the process. Sally and Sonic work to keep their child selves from being roboticized, to prevent the Great Forest from being destroyed, and to make sure that Sally's nanny, Rosie, would not get captured. Fed Up With Antoine/Ghost Busted (back to back episodes) Feeling unappreciated, Antoine allows himself to be made "king" by a group of renegades, unaware that with the office comes the "honor" of being an entree./While out camping, Sonic's ghost story panics Tails, and Antoine once more demonstrates his ineptitude. Dulcy Dulcy begins having overpowering urges to fly to Dragonsnest, a nesting site for female dragons. She, Sonic and Sally, arrive just as Robotnik has captured another female dragon; they then discover the dragon's egg inside Dragonsnest. Taking the egg back to Knothole, they rescue the female dragon who returns in time to hatch the egg. The Void Sonic discovers an opening to the Void while out in the "Great Unknown" [another name for the Forbidden Zone?]. Sally and Bunnie are put under a spell and pulled into the Void by a sorcerer named Naugus, who had been imprisoned there years before by Robotnik and who needs Sonic's speed to escape. Sonic learns what has happened from Nicole and allows himself to be pulled into the Void. Attempting to rescue Sally and Bunnie, he is tricked into rescuing what he thinks is Sally's father but is really Naugus. Sonic returns to the Void and finds not only Sally and Bunnie but the King and Ari as well. He brings them all out, but Naugus and the King have spent so much time in the Void that their bodies cannot handle living on Mobius. Naugus breaks off his tormenting of Robotnik, and Sally's father gives her the list of other resistance groups. On the whole, Sally goes through the emotional rollercoaster ride of her life. The Odd Couple/Ro-Becca (back to back episodes) After a crash landing by Dulcy leaves Sonic homeless he moves in with Antoine, who predictably gets bent out of shape by Sonic's lifestyle./Rotor cobbles together a robot which develops the hots for Antoine. Cry of the Wolf The Knothole freedom fighters search for and discover the Wolf Pack, the remnants of an ancient race who are now one of the other resistance groups. After several unsuccessful attempts to destroy a test pod from the Doomsday Project, Sonic draws it into a lightning storm and destroys it. Drood Henge Sonic and Tails discover an archaeological dig by Robotnik; they learn from Nicole that the object of the search is the Deep Power Stones, and that Robotnik has recovered one of the two. Tails comes up with a plan to retrieve the second stone before Robotnik can get to it. Spyhog On the eve of final preparations of the Doomsday project, Robotnik begins to suspect that there is a spy in his midst. Uncle Chuck's cover is blown, but he escapes capture and goes back underground with a different cover. Doomsday In the season finale, a combined force of the five freedom fighter groups tries to destroy the Doomsday project. Robotnik, however, seems to have too many safeguards built in. As a last resort, Sonic and Sally use the Deep Power Stones. The Doomsday project is destroyed; Robotnik's fate is uncertain but Snively is ready to step into his shoes in a burst of megalomania and overacting. Cliffhanger: who or what does Snively have to help him? We'll never know: ABC chose not to run StH for a third season. VOICE CREDITS: SONIC: Jaleel White SALLY: Kath Soucie NICOLE: Kath Soucie (uncredited) TAILS: Bradley Pierce BUNNIE: Christine Cavanaugh ANTOINE: Rob Paulsen ROTOR: Mark Ballou (1st season) Cam Brainard (2d season) DULCY: Cree Summer Franks UNCLE CHUCK: William Windom ROBOTNIK: Jim Cummings SNIVELY: Charlie Adler ADDITIONAL VOICES: (First season): David Doyle Gaille Heindenmann Dana Hill Danny Mann Jason Marsden Charlie Schlatter Frank Welker (Second season): Shari Belafonte: Lupee (?) Michael Bell: Naugus (?) Crystal Cooke Tim Curry: Sally's father; Keeper of the Time Stones Dave Fennoy Dorian Harewood John Kassir Katie Leigh Nancy Linari Victor Love Tahj Mowry Hal Rayle Alaina Reed Hall Lindsay Ridgeway April Winchell Want to contact DiC? Write or phone: DiC 303 North Glenoaks Blvd. Burbank, CA 91502 (818) 955-5400 (818) 955-5696 (FAX) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 09:15:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28615 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:17 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28608 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:41:03 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09406; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:40:58 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA07561; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:40:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9507141240.AA07561@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 1/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:40:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ - //|\__/ \\ ___- \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ ascii Sonic by Han J. Lee |====================== THE SONIC FAQ FILE =====================| July 14, 1995 edition Compiled by: Daniel J. Drazen Contributors: Chris Baird; Ron Bauerle, Brad Clark, James Firmiss, Maureen Furniss, Craig Moore, Michiyo Nakajima, Paula O'Keefe, Eric E. Pearson, Jeff Pegnato, David Pistone, Alessandro Sanasi, Erich Schulman, Fred Sloniker, Andy White, Shawn Wolski Address all comments, corrections, contributions and flames to: drazen@andrews.edu ***************************************************************** WHAT'S NEW?: [Note: There WILL be spoilers. You have been warned. DJD] #26 [Sep 1995] "Way, Way Past Cool" Script: A. Decesare; Pencil: D. Manak; Ink: J. D'Agostino Sonic, Tails, Sally, Rotor and Antoine find themselves in a snowstorm...in the middle of summer. Of course it's a plot by Dr. Robotnik: after lowering the temperature on Mobius, he will use infrared heat sensors to locate the warm-blooded freedom fighters. Sonic and the gang take shelter (such as it is) in a cave, where they encounter a group of polar Mobians--they were trapped down south when Robotnik took over and have lived in hiding ever since. After initially attacking the Weather Annihilator with a snowball-loaded catapult, the Knothole gang is captured by Snively. The polar Mobians, however, come to their aid and Sonic destroys the Annihilator. The polar Mobians return north to their home, inspired to put up more of a resistance. This story has inspired renewed argument over species identification since one of the polar Mobians [Erma, presumably an ermine] looks something like Sally. However, Erma doesn't have the white winter coat associated with a true ermine, nor is her tail long and tipped with black, nor is her body long and slender. But, hey, we're talking design by Manak here! Wadja expect? Additional problems/flamebait: Where did the catapult come from? If Sally decided not to wear a vest because of the summer heat, how come she's still got her boots on? [Then again, I'm convinced that furries are Not Clear On The Concept when it comes to clothing]. And why is Sonic shown skittering across the surface of a river in the story's opening when the character guide to Sonic clearly states that Sonic is a non-swimmer and would ordinarily avoid water? Fan art "Fortified" Story: A. Decesare; Pencil: A. Mawhinney; Ink: R. Koslowski The Knothole gang (the cast of the above story PLUS Bunnie!) are in the mountains, trying to keep ahead of Robotnik--not easy, since Sonic has a sprained ankle. Bunnie discovers an old fort, complete with an old muzzle-loading cannon and a blacksmith's forge. Robotnik's "bus" crashes into the fort, only to confront Bunnie, suited up in improvised body armour. She takes out Robotnik's SWATbots and maneuvers the bus to crash through the fort wall and roll back down the mountain. FINALLY an appearance by Bunnie! [One has to wonder whether her (largely out-of-the-way) role in "Vol-Ant-eer" in Sonic #23 even counts as an appearance.] Mawhinney, though, seems to draw her a little on the "squashed" side. After Spaziante's rendering of Sally in Sonic #25, I wonder how *he'd* draw Bunnie. SonicGrams: In-house humor featuring Fulop, Mendez, Pepitone and Pauley [DJD: Leave it at the water cooler, guys!]. Hint that the upcoming StH Triple Trouble special issue will feature Tails in a Sea Fox submarine solo story, by way of warming up for the Happy Fun Fox miniseries in the fall. Question about why the SWATbots carrying out Operation Wasteland in Sonic #22 went after Robotnik and Snively [DJD: What part of "total destruction" don't you understand?]; a fan from Canada complains about Bunnie's seldom appearing in the comics [DJD: Hear! Hear!]; fan letter for Tails from Cleveland. Also cover art for #27 and the Triple Trouble special. **************************************************************** I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS C. OTHER SOURCES I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ============================= Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. Q5: "Sally Acorn?" Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? ================================================================ Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? A: The writers of Sonic comics solicited reader responses to this in issue #___; the replies were printed in issue #___. They range from transplantation to mutation. The latest entry is in the Sonicgram of #22. They state that Tails just happened to be born that way--with no other comment (thus illustrating the difference between an Explanation and an Answer). At this point, there is no "official" explanation as to how Tails got that way, so you're pretty much free to believe what you like. Personally, I prefer the theory that it is a mutation, induced by Robotnik's pollution of Mobius. This would accord with the fact that Tails had not been born when Robotnik took over (cf. Q6). Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? A: No, his real name is "Miles Prower" (you have to say it sorta fast to get the joke). That was his name when he was introduced on the front screen of the Sonic 2 video game. Tails was given as his nickname, and it stuck. Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. A:This argument has been put forward by the "Sally is a fox" camp (see below). However, if that were true, then he'd also be related to Bunnie, as he's been known to address her as "Aunt Bunnie." For that matter, it seems that everyone in the Knothole gang refers to Sir Charles Hedgehog as "Uncle Chuck," though he's technically only uncle to Sonic. While it was not explicitly stated in either the comics or in the cartoons, it has to be kept in mind that all of the freedom fighters' families were disrupted by Robotnik's takeover of Mobius. It's safe to assume that they all have had relatives who have ended up being roboticized. As a result, they have become not so much a paramilitary resistance group as a loose-knit family. Sonic, for instance, clearly relates to Tails as if the latter was his little brother, the difference in species notwithstanding. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. A: Admittedly, it's trickier to spot some species in the series than others. Herewith is the list: Sonic and Sir Charles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .hedgehogs Bunnie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rabbit Tails. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Rotor. . . . . . . . . . . . . .walrus (sea lion, cf. Teitelbaum) Antoine D'Coolette . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Sally Acorn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ground squirrel/chipmunk Sally's father . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox The identification of Sally as a ground squirrel is based on extended discussion of the topic on Internet {alt.fan.furry and rec.arts.animation). She was also declared to be a ground squirrel in the comics, most recently in the Sonicgram of Sonic #19. As for the designation "ground squirrel/chipmunk", which has been questioned by at least one correspondent, I entered it this way on the assumption that the two terms were synonymous. I have consulted a dictionary, which states that the term "ground squirrel" applies to several kinds of rodents, including the chipmunk genus _Tamias_. Given the present ambiguity, the designation will remain as is. Despite this, controversy continues. Identifying Sally's species has been particularly vexing to some fans, especially those who reason that since Sally's father is clearly a fox, then she must be one herself. It is possible that Sally takes after her mother in this regard more than her father. Cross-species mating is a definite possibility, and an example is implied in the "flashforward" at the end of "Sally's Crusade" [Sonic: In Your Face #1]. At this point, the identification of Sally's nanny, Rosie, remains ambiguous. Given her buck teeth, she could be either a beaver or a woodchuck. Since she is always shown wearing a long cloak, I've been unable to spot the character beaver tail. Final identification is still pending. Q5: "Sally Acorn"? A: This is how she was identified as far back as the beginning of the comics [Sonic Miniseries, #0, Mar 1993]. Technically, royalty do not have surnames or family names in the accepted sense; rather, the title of the personage tends to serve the purpose. Her middle name, Alicia, is apparently seldom used (cf. "Blast to the Past," part 1). If you wanted to be grandiose about it, Sally's formal title would be: Sally Alicia, Princess of the House of Acorn. But in any event it's unlikely that Sally's formal title will come back into use so long as Robotnik is in charge. Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? A: According to the TV series ["Blast to the Past: part 1"] Sonic and Sally were both 5 years old when Sally's father was overthrown and Robotnik took over. Two other age clues were given in the "Drood Henge" episode: that Tails was 10 years old, and that Sally wouldn't "come of age" for another two years. At one point, Sally's age is explicitly given as being 16, though the comics reportedly put both at age 15. Subtracting 5 from 16 leaves the number of years Robotnik has been in charge: 11. Thus, it would appear that Tails was born after the fall of the House of Acorn. Still, the simplest way out of this dilemma would be to put the age of majority on Mobius at 17 instead of 18; that would eliminate the extra year differential without altering the stated ages of Sonic and Sally (in the comics) or of Tails (in "Drood Henge"). Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? A: Archie Comics was supposed to roll out a three-part miniseries starring Sally as the main character. The story actually began with "Deadliest of the Species" in Sonic #20. The cover art for the miniseries, however, differed in subsequent advertisements: one cover for the first issue prominently featured Geoffrey St. John, while another did not. The third issue cover either does or doesn't feature Sally doing battle with a clone of herself, depending upon where you see it. Two different versions of the cover for #2 appeared in Sonic #22. The fact that the Sally creative team PLUS Archie Comics PLUS Sega reportedly came together to discuss "improving" the series (as reported in the Sonicgram for Sonic #21) would seem to indicate that someone had come down with a case of "creative differences." In any event, the "improved" Sally miniseries began shipping the week of Feb 13. Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? A: How, in other words, is Sonic able to run so fast? Apparently the same way you get to Carnegie Hall in the old joke: practice. I'm serious; here is the only print explanation I've come across so far: "Years ago, when things were right on Mobius, there lived a hedgehog named Sonic.... Sonic was only interested in running as fast as he could. Every day he practiced." [Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_. Mahwah, NJ: Troll, 1993, pp.7- 8]. And that's the extent of Teitelbaum's explanation. Thanks a heap, Mike! Chris Baird may be onto something, and it looks like he wants to force the issue by asking Archie Comics about "The rumor going around the Internet that [Sonic] got his speed from falling into a vat of power rings when he was a baby." Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: There are now three answers to this question -- one appears to be definitive, but the other two are more fun. Believe what you like: 1) ABC got clobbered in the SatAM ratings because the show was up against the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox. This sounds plausible, except that between the November and February sweeps, ABC actually moved StH to the 8:00 am Eastern slot, which would have put it opposite "Dog City" on Fox...at least, until the next time Fox jazzed with ITS lineup. I remember posting a TAPE ALERT and that several fans didn't get to tape the first showing of the Doomsday episode as a result of the time switch. Source for this item: someone from within the offices of Archie Comics, as posted to alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. 2) DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. 3) ABC's kidvid programming has lately been adhering to a policy of "two seasons and out" for shows. Though it's possible that some ideas only last two seasons because they're kinda bankrupt to begin with. ================================================================= From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 09:17:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28646 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:42:23 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28638 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:42:06 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09428; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:42:03 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA07599; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:42:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9507141242.AA07599@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 3/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:42:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS [CONTRIBUTIONS WELCOME] Now, direct from the Great White North, Brad Clark summarizes the original Sonic miniseries: Issue 0 "Don't Cry For Me, Mobius" Story: Michael Gallagher, Art: Scott Shaw! Sonic is chased by Dr. Robotnik. After the chase, which Robotnik loses, Sonic returns to Knothole where most of the main characters are introduced for the first time. (Note: Rotor is referred to as "Boomer.") Antoine then announces that there is a leak in Knothole (Knothole is located underground in this issue) that is caused by Robotnik. Sonic defeats Robotnik with a power ring. "The Royal Family of Mobius" Takes place before Robotnik was in power and has Sonic and Uncle Chuck running a chilidog take-out stand. Robotnik destroys the stand and captures Muttski and Uncle Chuck. Sonic meets Sally (with yellow hair and red fur) who introduces him to the rest of the freedom fighters in Knothole. Issue 1 "Run, Sally, Run" Story and art: Gallagher & Shaw! Sally [this time with pink fur and black hair] goes to see Robotnik about the return of her father. Robotnik captures Sally and almost throws her into the "Robo-machine." Sonic rescues Sally only to discover that Sally had wanted to get caught in order to gather information on the roboticizer, using some special boots designed by Boomer/Rotor. Issue 2 "A Crowning Achievement" Gallagher & Shaw! again. Sally decides to wear the "Crown of the Acorn Kings" which belonged to her father, but the crown is missing. They discover a robotic freedom fighter who tells them that Robotnik has stolen the crown and has scattered its jewels (the four Chaos Emeralds) throughout the land. Sonic retrieves the emeralds and Boomer/Rotor repairs the crown. Issue 3 "Sonic Flashback" Gallagher & Shaw! Sonic and Robotnik recall when they were kids. Uncle Chuck invents the power rings. Sonic and Robotnik have an argument, and it escalates until Robotnik is constructing mechanical monsters out of Uncle Chuck's appliances. Sonic then wakes up -- it was all just a daydream -- and resumes being chased by Robotnik. "Why Ask Spy" Sonic is made to look like a robot to trick Robotnik and to destroy one of his factories. In the process, Sonic discovers Uncle Chuck and Muttski who have both been roboticized. Sonic destroys the factory. #16 [Summary by Erich Schulman] "Sonic Under Glass" It appears that Sonic and Sally are tying the knot, having defeated Robotnik once and for all. In reality, Robotnik has lured the freedom fighters to a place called Sleepy Hollow. Once there, they were gassed, put into a sleep, and trapped inside a virtual reality glass dome. As all their fantasies have come true, nobody wants to escape. Uncle Chuck arrives and reveals to Sonic that he is embracing, not Sally, but a broom. Sonic hates to disappoint his friends, who are all so happy, but decides to get back at Robotnik. Sonic gets Robotnik's war machines to reverse course and attack the big guy, so Robotnik reluctantly kills the VR software. Sonic and Sally are reunited, and Sonic concludes that virtual reality is a nice place to visit, but.... "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." Robotnik comes to the conclusion that there is a spy in his midst, since so many of his missions have failed. Thinking that he has found his spy in a mole, he uses the Wheel of Misfortune to randomize his plans to destroy Mobius. On Robotnik's first spin, he lands on "undersea bank heist." Robotnik's lackey's find only an empty vault and the freedom fighters waiting for them. The same thing happens after two more spins. Robotnik finally thinks he has Sonic captured when Sonic and Sally visit Robotnik's casino [Boy, I hope this makes more sense in the comic! DJD], but Sonic narrowly escapes. Belatedly, Robotnik realizes that the Wheel itself was rigged. Sonic-Grams: Aside from now-obsolete announcements, it is stated that Sonic is 15; that Sally is a squirrel (not necessarily a ground squirrel); that Antoine was a donor so that Tails would be able to fly [Yeah, right!]; that Sonic was just a little slow rescuing Bunnie from the roboticizer. On a more useful note, Archie Comics confesses that due to inadequate modelling information, their Sally was a different color from the SatAM version, a situation which has since been rectified. #18 [Jan 1995]: "Wedding Bell Blues" Robotnik gets word of Sonic and Sally's impending wedding and plans an attack. "In the Still of the Night" While trying to determine the nature of the mysterious orb (cf. "First Star....", #17), Sally is called to the bedside of her old mentor, Julayla, just before she dies. Sonicgram: includes statement that Sonic is 15, and a German fan disses Dave Manak's artwork Sonic: In Your Face #1 [1995] "Sally's Crusade: The Quest" The orb is revealed to be a casing surrounding Nicole. Sally, with the others in tow, searches for what turns out to be Julayla's last testament. The significance of this document is spelled out in a "flashforward" at the end of the story. "Mirror Zone" An excuse to practice backwards lettering. Sonicgram: Sally's age is given as "about 15." [Note, if you're going to guess a lady's age, guess on the low side ;-) ] "Tails' Tallest Tale" Tails substitutes for Sonic, putting in an appearance at a con. His exaggerations almost get him into trouble. Artwork by Shaw!. #19 [Feb 1995]: "Night of a Thousand Sonics" In order to defeat Robotnik's latest scheme, Sonic has to call in as many versions of himself from as many parallel universes as he can. Artwork by Manak for the first half, Mawhinney for the second. Sonicgram: The name of Sally's father is given as "King Acorn" (but see FAQ #5). Scott Fulop hedges on when Knuckles will make an appearance and whose side he'll be on. Again, Sally is identified as a "ground squirrel." Hint is dropped as to a Sonic motion picture in the works. #20 [Mar 1995]: "That's the Spirit" Exposure to an antimatter explosion renders Sonic invisible; Sally and the others [Tails being the exception] believe he is dead. The comedic pacing and Manak's artwork mar what otherwise might have been a very poignant story. Great line (Sonic to Robotnik--who thinks he's dealing with a ghost): "Give Mobius back to the freedom fighters, lose weight and get a hairpiece!" "Deadliest of the Species" [Prologue to the Princess Sally miniseries] While on a sabotage mission, Sally is confronted by someone claiming to be part of a rebel underground. Sonicgram: Once again lists Sally's age as 15. #21 [Apr 1995]: "3 Phases of E.V.E" Pat Spaziante debuts as a story artist. Robotnik unleashes E.V.E. ["exceptionally versatile evolvoid"] to capture Sonic. As Sonic manages to outsmart E.V.E., it simply adapts to another form to compensate. Sonic lures it to Robotnik's headquarters where, assuming a self-conscious form, E.V.E. determines that it is being held back by its biological inheritance from Sonic and Robotnik [i.e., individual cells used in E.V.E.'s creation]. E.V.E. toasts Robotnik, but thanks to some quick thinking by Sonic--apparently, Sally's influence is rubbing off on him ;-) -- E.V.E. spares Sonic and travels out into space on a journey of self-actualization. Is Robotnik really history? That's the tease--stay tuned, probably until after the Sally miniseries. Sonicgram: announcement of the delay in rolling out the Sally miniseries; another special issue (48pp) due out in May. #22 [May 1995] "The Return," written by Ken Penders, art by Pat Spaziante & Harvey M. The story opens with Sonic & Sally MCW (Married with Children; cf. the end of "Sally's Quest" in _In Your Face #1_). Sonic & Sally are out with the kids when, during a lightning storm, an apparition of Robotnik appears and just as suddenly disappears. Have your pencils and scorecards ready to try and follow the remainder of the plot: Robotnik is actually on a satellite talking with Robo-Robotnik from "Night of a Thousand Sonics," (#19), only in this case only the consciousness of Robo-Robotnik (hereinafter "R-R") remains resident. Robotnik convinces R-R to teleport him back to Mobius, where it turns out Snively has activated an alternative Doomesday device which would go off if Robotnik was ever defeated. Robotnik actually deactivates "Operation Wasteland" himself to keep from being ruler over nothing and to have the pleasure of saying to Sonic: "You owe me!" Robotnik and Sonic MWC are declared to be at a stalemate. What about R-R? Who knows? Muddled story saved by Spaziante artwork. "Tails Knighttime Story," written by Angelo Decasare, art by Dave Manak & John Dagostino. As Tails grumps about "get[ting] baby-sat" while Sonic has all the fun and adventures, Sally tells him a bedtime story wherein Sonic is Sir Runalot and Tails is his page who "borrows" his armour one day and who, mistaken for the aforementioned knight, ends up doing battle with Sir Knightmare of Robotannia (guess who?) until the real Sir Runalot saves his...er...tails. Sonicgram: the comics should get a FAQ File, since two letters pepper them with questions (most are answered: "Keep reading." Translation: "we're working on it!"). The cover of Princess Sally #2 in an ad on the same page differs from one which appears on p. 17 of the same issue(!), thus bolstering the "creative differences" theory in Q7. #23 [Jun 1995] "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Tails, Robotnik and Snively are all captured by Car-Heem, a giant alien who wants to study them. In order to save Robotnik from "disposal," Sonic convinces Car-Heem that they are interdependent species, a novelty to the autonomous Car-Heem. Thanks to a diversion by Sonic, the others escape their confinement in a craft of Robotnik's design. Although Robotnik blows Car-Heem and Sonic out of Car-Heem's spacecraft's airlock, Rotor retrieves them. In gratitude, Car-Heem returns everyone to Mobius and Rotor, inspired, releases the inhabitants of his ant farm [Heavy Message]. There's also a really bad pun which I'm not going to reveal. Do-It-Yourself Sonic Contest winners announced. "Vol-ANT-teer" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Antoine ventures into Robotropolis alone to retrieve Tails' lost backpack with a power ring in it. Bunnie shadows him just in case. Surprising last panel gives the impression that Antoine isn't exactly clueless. Sonicgram: Further indication that Knuckles will put in an appearance in the next Sonic special, though no hint as to his allegiance; look for an appearance by Knack the Weasel [c.f., the Triple Trouble game] in the same issue. #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island, and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. Sonic & Knuckles 48 page special (based on summaries by James Firmiss) "Panic in the Sky!" The Mobians living on the western shore of "the Great Continent" [you'd think that Mobians would have come up with another adjective besides "Great": viz.: the Great Forest, the Great Swamp, the Great Unknown, etc. See also the "all-purpose" use of the word _hriar_, or "thousands" by rabbits in Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. But I digress....] are alarmed by the approach of a floating island. Sally and the gang realize that the island is on course for Knothole; Sonic explains to the group (for the first time!?) that he and Tails were on the island a while back and met Knuckles. Antoine flies Sonic and Tails in the turboprop, dodging antiaircraft fire from the underside of the island. After landing on the island, seeing giant mushrooms and avoiding some traps, Sonic falls into one trap and again meets Knuckles. Since this is the second time Sonic has been caught trespassing, Knuckles is about to send him over the edge of the island. Tails tries dropping a rock on Knuckles from above to avoid this from happening, but it ends up that Tails has to rescue both Sonic and Knuckles by airlifting them to safety. It appears that Robotnik is "hijacking" the island by somehow draining the energy from the Chaos Emerald which keeps the island afloat. Already having established a presence on the island, Robotnik has installed weapons on the underside and plans to use the island as a flying fortress to attack Knothole. Knuckles won't allow the island to be used this way; he smashes the Chaos Emerald. With the island losing altitude, Robotnik abandons it, expecting that it'll still smash into Knothole (though how he suddenly knows of Knothole's location is unclear). But Knuckles replaces the "real" Chaos Emerald just in time--I'd tell you how he switched it with a phony one which was the one he broke, but I don't understand it either. Knuckles turns down an invitation to join the Knothole gang; part of his stewardship of the island now involves disarming it since Robotnik is gone. "Fire Drill" Knuckles investigates an explosion on the island, suspecting that it's Sonic. Catching just a glimpse of an intruder, he follows him to places unfamiliar even to him(!). As the trail leads off the edge of the island, he still thinks it's Sonic; however, we catch a glimpse of a shadowy presence still on the island. Could be a Chaotix character, could be Nack the Weasel, check out the Sonic-Gram in issue #23 for a hint. "Lord of the Floating Island" While patrolling the island on a windy day, he spots a lost joey (baby kangaroo) names Bengy. The kid asks Knuckles to bring back the sky; Knuckles explains that there's an eclipse in progress and that's what's causing the winds. They avoid a pack of (biped) dingoes as Knuckles goes into further exposition about the island-- how it's a paradise which some parties (Sonic and Robotnik) want to change. They eventually find Bengy's mom. Knuckles' exit line: "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" The entire story appears to exist to supply needed exposition and to nudge Knuckles closer to the Good Guy category. No SonicGrams, but announcements: Sonic #25 will have a silver ink cover and feature Mecha Sonic; dated August '95. Also slated for that month: a Sonic Triple Trouble 48-page special featuring Nack the Weasel; it will also include a Sonic v. Knuckles story, a Knuckles solo story, and a Tails solo story. Another 48-page special -- Knuckles Chaotix -- is schedules for November '95. Solo Knuckles stories will appear in Sonics #31-33 (Feb-Apr '96) and a Knuckles 3-parter will begin Jan '96. #25 "Go Ahead...Mecha My Day" (the only story in this issue) Story: Mike Gallagher Art: Pat Spaziante based on summary by James Firmiss In a bow to the CD game, the story focuses on the freedom fighters' discovery of the Collision Chaos Zone, a "zone portal." Robotnik tries to lure Sonic into the zome portal by kidnapping his #1 fan: Amy Rose, the pink hedgehog (remember her?). Based on her dialogue on page 14, I'd describe her in Foghorn Leghorn terms: "Nice kid, but about as sharp as a sack full of wet mice." Tails investigates from the air and is captured instead. To rescue both Amy and Tails, Sonic must race through the new zones and do battle with Robotnik's Mecha-Sonic. Spaziante's artwork of Sally in this issue is surprising, in that her shape has gotten...well, more shapely. I don't remember her having that much of a bustline in issue #21! Still no SonicGrams; another repeat announcement of the Triple Trouble and Chaotix specials, as well as the Knuckles and Tails miniseries. Also staff artwork. #26 [Sep 1995] "Way, Way Past Cool" Script: A. Decesare; Pencil: D. Manak; Ink: J. D'Agostino Sonic, Tails, Sally, Rotor and Antoine find themselves in a snowstorm...in the middle of summer. Of course it's a plot by Dr. Robotnik: after lowering the temperature on Mobius, he will use infrared heat sensors to locate the warm-blooded freedom fighters. Sonic and the gang take shelter (such as it is) in a cave, where they encounter a group of polar Mobians--they were trapped down south when Robotnik took over and have lived in hiding ever since. After initially attacking the Weather Annihilator with a snowball-loaded catapult, the Knothole gang is captured by Snively. The polar Mobians, however, come to their aid and Sonic destroys the Annihilator. The polar Mobians return north to their home, inspired to put up more of a resistance. This story has inspired renewed argument over species identification since one of the polar Mobians [Erma, presumably an ermine] looks something like Sally. However, Erma doesn't have the white winter coat associated with a true ermine, nor is her tail long and tipped with black, nor is her body long and slender. But, hey, we're talking design by Manak here! Wadja expect? Additional problems/flamebait: Where did the catapult come from? If Sally decided not to wear a vest because of the summer heat, how come she's still got her boots on? [Then again, I'm convinced that furries are Not Clear On The Concept when it comes to clothing]. And why is Sonic shown skittering across the surface of a river in the story's opening when the character guide to Sonic clearly states that Sonic is a non-swimmer and would ordinarily avoid water? Fan art "Fortified" Story: A. Decesare; Pencil: A. Mawhinney; Ink: R. Koslowski The Knothole gang (the cast of the above story PLUS Bunnie!) are in the mountains, trying to keep ahead of Robotnik--not easy, since Sonic has a sprained ankle. Bunnie discovers an old fort, complete with an old muzzle-loading cannon and a blacksmith's forge. Robotnik's "bus" crashes into the fort, only to confront Bunnie, suited up in improvised body armour. She takes out Robotnik's SWATbots and maneuvers the bus to crash through the fort wall and roll back down the mountain. FINALLY an appearance by Bunnie! [One has to wonder whether her (largely out-of-the-way) role in "Vol-Ant-eer" in Sonic #23 even counts as an appearance.] Mawhinney, though, seems to draw her a little on the "squashed" side. After Spaziante's rendering of Sally in Sonic #25, I wonder how *he'd* draw Bunnie. SonicGrams: In-house humor featuring Fulop, Mendez, Pepitone and Pauley [DJD: Leave it at the water cooler, guys!]. Hint that the upcoming StH Triple Trouble special issue will feature Tails in a Sea Fox submarine solo story, by way of warming up for the Happy Fun Fox miniseries in the fall. Question about why the SWATbots carrying out Operation Wasteland in Sonic #22 went after Robotnik and Snively [DJD: What part of "total destruction" don't you understand?]; a fan from Canada complains about Bunnie's seldom appearing in the comics [DJD: Hear! Hear!]; fan letter for Tails from Cleveland. Also cover art for #27 and the Triple Trouble special. Princess Sally Mini-series #1 [April 1995] Summary by Ron Bauerle "Deadliest of the Species!" written by Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders, art by Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski. Opens with a nice splash page summarizing the struggle so far and describes the main characters (get this: "Antoine is renouned for his military skills" - okayyyy...). Next it recaps Sally's meeting Geoffrey St. John...in StH #20. Sally & Geoffrey are attacked by SWATbots after destroying the facility and manage to beat them off [hey, Ron, let's leave their private lives out of this ;-) ] and exchange some banter in the process (I can't call it friendly but it's not really sarcastic either). They then head back to the camp where some young trainee freedom fighters are waiting for Sally. Geoffrey mistakes them for enemies and jumps a pig (Hamlin) but they're separated by Sally. This establishes some bad blood between Hamlin and Geoffrey that continues all issue. The team proceeds to its next target (an energy substation) and after battling SWATbots and ORBbots manage to destroy it. During the battle Geoffrey saves Hamlin's life but Hamlin still doesn't trust him. That night, when everyone else is asleep, Geoffrey slips away, activates a teleportal, enters some kind of building and descends to its basement where he speaks to a figure in a glass case: Sally!? Also some fan art: two pics of Sally & Bunnie (both NBD), and one of Sally as a dominatrix (!). Princess Sally Miniseries #2 (Summary by Erich Schulman): The story opens with a fight between St. John and Hamlin, and Sally gives Hamlin a scolding. To reach the third, undestroyed substation, the freedom fighters use a new (!?) technology: hang gliders. Arlo's hang glider is hit by the defenses and he is wounded in action; Penelope volunteers to stay with him. Once inside, Sally and St. John are attacked by an octopod, and everyone barely manages to escape the explosions. Upon leaving, they find that Sally and Penelope are gone. Sally says they will return to camp without them (to which Hamlin is opposed), and they never show up again. Did you have your doubts about St. John? That night, St. John replaces Sally with a lookalike robot and delivers the real Sally to Robotnik. Fan mail (singular; only one letter appears): Will Sonic and Sally marry? "Could be." Has Sally met Knuckles? She will in a forthcoming 48-page S&K special. Does Sally have a mother, and if so what does she look like? "Of course...her origin may yet be told." Or [shameless plug] you can read about it in "Bloodlines" in the fanfic section of Rotor's homepage. "Deadliest of the Species, Part III" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Art Mawhinney (Summary: James Firmiss) (Recap of parts 0, 1 and 2 omitted) Sally, Hamlin and Dylan are fighting their way into Robotropolis with paint guns and grenades (blinding SWATbots). Dylan believes that attacking at half strength isn't wise, yet they press on. Hamlin nearly falls from a collapsing catwalk but Sally rescues him. They eventually reach their objective, break down the doors and find...Robotnik, St. John and Sally (in the container). Hamlin believes Geoffrey to be a traitor so he jumps him. Sally breaks it up and says she and St. John are on the same side. Robotnic reveals that Sally is an auto-automaton, a perfect robot duplicate, and that there was no weakness in the defense system. His master plan is to replace key members of the freedom fighters--we see auto-automatons of Sonic and Tails being built. Robotnik also plans to roboticize the Sally delivered to him by St. John. Robotnik begins the roboticization process but the chamber blows up because a "feedback loop" has occurred. Something which is impossible unless...he were trying to roboticize a robot! The real Sally was with Dylan and Hamlin. Sally tries to 'arrest' Robotnik, but large StealthBots emerge from the walls and capture the freedom fighters. Note: you could see the outlines of the StealthBots 5 pages back. St. John pushes a button on a remote control and a vehicle burrows its way up through the floor. Out pop Penelope, Arlo and three "moles". They help free Sally, Dylan and Hamlin (more paint guns). Robotnik manages to activate a 30-second self-destruct and disappears down an escape chute. Sally and the others all head for the vehicle maintenance area and grab saucer-shaped air cars (from Hanger 18! X-P ) and get out with no time to spare. With everyone back at the base, Hamlin, Penelope, Arlo and Dylan are promoted to full-fledged freedom fighters. Sally tries to convince Geoffrey to come to Knothole but he declines in order to rejoin the Rebel Underground. He does engage Sally in some serious lip-locking before they part. If you're not confused yet, here's a run-down of the plot- twists, as Sally explains them at the end: The FIRST Sally switch occurred right at the beginning of Part 1 shortly after meeting St. John. St. John really was the leader of the "Rebel Underground" and acted as a double agent in order to gain Robotnik's trust and activate the robot double prematurely in order to find out what its plans were. It was the auto-automaton Sally that helped attack the 2d and 3d substations. It was such a good copy that it could give orders, make hard choices, and even grieve for missing comrades. But did you notice the two clues that would have tipped you off that this was an automated Sally: 1. "Auto" Sally wore a purple vest instead of a blue one. 2. "Auto" Sally referred to Geoffrey by his first name, while the real Sally always called him "Mr. St. John." The SECOND Sally switch occurred in Part II, when Robotnik (and the reader) was supposed to think that Sally was being replaced by a robot double. And what about Arlo and Penelope? They were taken away by the moles from the literal Rebel UNDERGROUND. The Rebel Underground was also supposed to be backup in case anything unexpected happened. "This is definitely one of the most complicated stories Archie's Sonic group has ever come up with. Congrats...." JF SallyGram: Horace Hawkins (14) wishes Sally a Happy Valentine's Day, and expresses the desire to be her boyfriend. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Scott Fulop (Editor) asks if there is interest in a MONTHLY Sally comic. If so, send a postcard with the following: Give me Princess Sally. Monthly. NOW!!! to: SallyGrams c/o Archie Comic Publishing 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 NOTES FROM THE NET: that's the heading suggested for comix- related posts to a.f.s-h by none other than Paul Castiglia of Archie Comics. Seems P.C. thinks that NftN would make a good subsection of the Sonic Grams, and said so in a recent post. The idea is that you can post to a.f.s-h, and your post (and e-mail address if you want) will be reprinted in NftN. But ONLY if you specify that it's for NftN. Apparently Archie Comics is still getting a feel for whether they should go ahead with the plan, so let's see some support for it! Hmmm, wonder if Sally's e-mail address is princess@frdmftrs.mobius.org ? COMIC PUBLISHERS: For subscriptions and back issues--US & Canada: Archie Comics 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 (914) 381-5155. $15.00/year US monthly $18.00/year CAN monthly For subscriptions and back issues--United Kingdom (Fleetway Editions comics): Sonic The Comic Subscription Dept. OR Back Issue Zone Aim Ltd. P.O. Box 10 Pallion Industrial Estate Sunderland, SR4 6SN UNITED KINGDOM 01144-91-5102290 L28.60 (=28 pounds, 60 pence)/year UK fortnightly L45.00/year Europe fortnightly L47.00/year Overseas surface mail fortnightly L55.00/year Overseas airmail fortnightly C. OTHER SOURCES Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ (c)1995: Mahwah, New Jersey: Troll Associates. _Sonic the Hedgehog_ synopsis: Note: Any resemblance between this book and the original comics miniseries shouldn't be surprising; what IS surprising is how far from the TV series this is. Herewith, the "Cliff's Notes" description: Ch.1: At the beginning, Sonic is 7, Robotnik is 15, and both are staying with Uncle Chuck (you get some idea of how non-canonical this is going to get!). While Robotnik is only interested in gadgets, Sonic is only interested in running fast. While Uncle Chuck works on perfecting a power ring, Robotnik cannibalizes parts from Uncle Chuck's old tractor for a robot. When Uncle Chuck starts up the tractor, it goes out of control and heads for Robotnik. Ch. 2: Sonic interrupts a game of one-against-nine baseball to move the tractor which has pinned Robotnik and Uncle Chuck. He's able to move it with the power ring and he takes both Robotnik and Uncle Chuck to the hospital. Ch. 3: After being released from the hospital, Uncle Chuck and Robotnik return home. Robotnik's robot confesses to Uncle Chuck that he was put together with the stolen tractor parts, and Robotnik is grounded. Robotnik cobbles together another robot from Uncle Chuck's major appliances; it grabs Uncle Chuck but Sonic defeats it by wrapping it up in a garden hose. Robotnik leaves. Ch. 4: "Eight years passed." Sonic, 15, has a pet dog, Muttski, and works as a delivery hedgehog for his Uncle Chuck's chili dog stand. Sonic tests his new sneakers (designed by Uncle Chuck) while filling a large order, but in his absence Robotnik returns and arrests "Uncle Chuck" and his robots trash the stand. Ch. 5: Sonic delivers the chili dogs to an old factory, walking into a trap. He escapes and returns to what's left of the stand. He destroys a couple of robots who try to capture him and learns that Robotnik is responsible. He heads off for Robotnik's factory. Ch. 6: Stopping in the forest just outside the factory he encounters "a cute little chipmunk girl": Princess Sally Acorn. She shows Sonic a short-cut to the "Ro-Bo-Machine." Ch. 7: Reaching the fence around the factory, Sonic sees that Uncle Chuck has already been roboticized. Sally tries to stop him, but Sonic goes over the fence. Ch. 8: Sonic goes into Sonic Spin and takes out the SWATbots. With Sally's help, they get Uncle Chuck and Muttski and head for the Great Forest. Ch. 9: Sally leads them to "Knothole Village" which is "under the forest floor." (cf. Sonic #0). Sonic uses a power ring to restore Uncle Chuck and Muttski. None of the other Freedom Fighters are introduced. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ synopsis: one of the Knothole freedom fighters is captured by Robotnik and used as bait to lure Sonic into a trap. In this case, the victim is Bunnie, and the story supposedly explains how she came to be partially roboticized. This account is at odds with the explanation in the comics. In addition, both Uncle Chuck and Muttski in this book has been successfully deroboticized (see above), which conflicts with "Sonic Conversion" and, in fact, the rest of the second season. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ PLOT SYNOPSIS: Ch. 1: Rotor is being held prisoner by Robotnik in the old royal fortress, which is now Robotnik's headquarters. He shares a cell with a woodchuck named Digger, who says he's from a Freedom Fighter group on the western edge of the Great Forest. Digger tells Rotor about the King's list of freedom fighters. Snively takes Digger away and tells Rotor that Robotnik's looking for the list as well. Ch. 2: Sonic & Bunnie arrive at Robotnik's fortress to bust Rotor out of his cell. Guided by a small transmitter in the lining of Rotor's cap, they locate the cell, take out the bots and "haul some serious haunch" back to Knothole. Ch. 3: Snively reports the escape of Rotor to an unconcerned Robotnik, who is preparing to rip the fortress apart to locate the list. Rotor tells the others about the list and Robotnik's search for it. Sally guesses that the list in question was one of "brave and true warriors" compiled by Sally's father when she was a girl. A box of her father's papers turns out to have a secret compartment which yields the following fragment: ...beside your bed safe and... ...tucked in tight... ...you cannot fall... Ch. 4: Sonic, Sally, Bunnie, Rotor and Antoine set out the following evening. Using a high-frequency generator, they scramble the circuits of the SWATbots at the front gate. Antoine suggests beginning the search with the safe in her father's bedroom. Ch. 5: While Robotnik leads a search of the main level, Snively detects the Freedom Fighters' entry into the fortress. Thinking to score points with Robotnik, Snively plans to capture them himself. The Freedom Fighters arrive at the bedroom, but find Snively and a platoon of SWATbots. Sonic and Bunnie take out the bots while Antoine trips up Snively before he can grab Sally. Unfortunately, they notice that the safe door is open and the safe is empty. Ch. 6: Thinking of the second and third lines of the fragment, Antoine suggests that it might be Sally's old crib--a bed from which one cannot fall. Sneaking to the nursery, they discover that Robotnik hasn't gotten there yet. Rotor tears the mattress apart but finds nothing. Snively arrives and locks the Freedom Fighters in the nursery. Ch. 7: While Snively goes off to find Robotnik, Rotor accidentally bumps into an old music box. Sally suddenly realizes that the fragment of "clues" is actually part of the lyrics of an old lullaby sung to the tune the music box is playing. The lyrics make mention of a clock, which is no longer in the room. Sally guesses that it was hidden in one of the towers. She also remembers a secret passageway from the nursery to the tower. Moving a book on a shelf, a panel slides back, revealing a staircase. Ch. 8: Ascending the staircase, they find the clock in a room filled with old furniture and such, but also find that the clock has been torn apart. Noticing that several pieces of SWATbot are lying about, Sonic and Bunnie get inside the metal parts and act as if the "bot" were escorting the others as prisoners. Robotnik's exultation at finding the list is interrupted when the bot and its "prisoners" arrive. Sonic grabs the list, lays out Robotnik, and the Freedom Fighters escape. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ PLOT SUMMARY: [If you know the plot of the "Game Guy" episode [second season], you pretty much know the plot of this book, though there are several major differences.] Ch. 1: Sally has a nightmare wherein Robotnik displaces her father. Referring to the list that was captured in _Fortress of Fear_, and noting that its descriptions of locations are extremely general, she plans to begin searching in the Caverns in the Great Unknown. Ch. 2: Rotor tests a magnetic field generator, managing to snare Bunnie. While exploring the caverns, they use the generator to dislodge a boulder. Spooked by a swarm of bats, Antoine becomes lost in the cave. Ch. 3: Antoine is found by the bank of an underground river. Using an inflatable raft, they head down the river and are almost hurled over a waterfall. They bed down for the night but awaken in the morning to the sound of approaching SWATbots. Ch. 4: The SWATbots take no notice of the Knothole gang, concentrating on an escaping figure. Sonic helps out the escapee, who turns out to be Ari on his way to free other freedom fighters in his group being held by Robotnik. Ch. 5: Ari explains how his group, which originally numbered 20, has lived on the run. Sonic is all for helping him, but Sally doesn't trust him. When Sonic goes off alone with Ari, Rotor is able to unscramble the bots' orders: to pretend to pursue Ari in order to lure Sonic to a trap. Ch. 6: Sonic and Ari reach the fortress, but not before Sonic pulls Ari out of quicksand. Once inside, Ari lets Sonic get captured. Ch. 7: Sally, Antoine, Rotor and Bunnie are in pursuit of Sonic and Ari. Sonic is deposited into the large pinball game/arena, with the object of avoiding the energy vortex. Ari realizes that his comrades have been roboticized and he's been double-crossed. Ch. 8: The Knothole gang arrive at the fortress and manage to save Ari. He leads them to Sonic. In a major reversal of the TV plot, Ari manages to pull Sonic out of the vortex, then helps him escape the game. As the group approaches Knothole, Ari returns home on his own. OVERSEAS BOOKS: Martin Adams, _Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory_ (c)1993: London: Virgin. Attention WEB-Slingers: The following individuals have set up Sonic the Hedgehog home pages on the World Wide Web. You can access them at: [Note: these addresses are current as of the date of this FAQ file edition; beyond that, I make no claims as to the accuracy of accessing these pages. Many WEB sites do have links to other Sonic pages so give 'em a shot] Shawn Wolski http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~n5una/index.html Fanart and this FAQ file; also access to Ratman's Sonic Web Page. http:/www.PrimeNet.Com:80/~rotor/ Dave Pistone's awesome collection of graphics and stories http:/www.ysu.edu/~ptighe/sonic.html Bryant Melesko's graphics page http:/pumadyne.mv.com.80/sonic/ Sonic Mailing List page: gateway to info and HFF graphics ftp://hff.mv.com/pub/sonic/images Erich Schulman's 10Meg+ .GIF site From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 16:23:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA04087 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:59:42 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA04082 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:59:31 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA21144 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:56:31 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Idea for a Cyberspace meeting From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AD3352.00010019F5.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 14:10:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok this might sound like a wild idea. but I got to thinking of what if we had an On-Line meeting on the internet. The reason for this is that it is the best way to have a meeting because of course we are all in difrent parts allover the world. and haveing a normal gettogether is imposable. So my idea is to get togeher in one of 3 places. and just talk live about whaterver. Here are thoes places IRC Internet Relay Chat We whould meet in a room on the IRC and just talk like in a teleconference on a bbs. IRC isn't to hard to get to. most Online services have it. and if you use an account that alows you to get on the net useing a Winsock. the you can D/L a program to get on. I use IRC Cliant (It^s on Ratman's FTP i think.) And go IRC Telephone. Anotehr IRC but this requires more. You need a sound card and a microphone here to use this. It is alos a bit less secretive so if you want to hide behond a digatal mask this whoudn't be a good idea. You need the program Internet Telephone that is on Ratman's FTP i think Furtoonia Probly the best of them it is a Vetural world with a Veturial Knothole. All you need there is Telenet Let me know what you think about the idea. I don't know. it might be a stupid idea. I think the heat's geting to me.:) But if we decide to do this then i can set it all up. Just let me know. John Mankowski@outdoor.com From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 18:15:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA05162 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 17:56:05 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA05157 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 17:55:53 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id RAA05103; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 17:52:18 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199507142152.RAA05103@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: Re: Idea for a Cyberspace meeting To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 17:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: optimus@laraby.tiac.net (Theodore Perrotti) In-Reply-To: <8AD3352.00010019F5.uuout@outdoor.com> from "JOHN MANKOWSKI" at Jul 14, 95 02:10:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 520 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sounds like a good idea to me! Let me know when/if it'll happen! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I think I just saw Jesus, and I could swear he was driving a cadillac."- Prof. Maximillian Arturo, "Sliders" Theodore P. Perrotti optimus@tiac.net (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (account will be axed soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 19:45:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA05890 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:30:10 -0400 Received: from saul6.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA05882 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:29:58 -0400 Received: by saul6.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29191; Fri, 14 Jul 95 16:29:56 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul6.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 16:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Idea for a Cyberspace meeting In-Reply-To: <8AD3352.00010019F5.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Fri, 14 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > Furtoonia > > Probly the best of them it is a Vetural world with a Veturial Knothole. > All you need there is Telenet I play Sherry on FurToonia (though I haven't been online in a while; Star Control's been sucking my time. Anyone who's good at this game, email me?) If anybody wants to drop a note, feel free! (Lemme know you're from the list, though...) ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu "How appropriate. You fight like a cow." --"The Secret of Monkey Island" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 20:15:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA06015 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:47:46 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA06010 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:47:36 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01566; Fri, 14 Jul 95 19:52:54 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39652W Fri, 14 Jul 1995 23:44:06 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Idea for a Cyberspace meeting Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 22:29:10 GMT Message-Id: <95071419440750534@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: outdoor.com!john.mankowski (JOHN MANKOWSKI) -> To: sard.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 14:10:00 -0500 -> Subject: Idea for a Cyberspace meeting -> Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 -> -> Ok this might sound like a wild idea. but I got to thinking of what i -> we had an On-Line meeting on the internet. The reason for this is tha -> it is the best way to have a meeting because of course we are all in -> difrent parts allover the world. and haveing a normal gettogether is -> imposable. So my idea is to get togeher in one of 3 places. and just -> talk live about whaterver. Here are thoes places -> -> IRC Internet Relay Chat -> We whould meet in a room on the IRC and just talk like in a -> teleconference on a bbs. IRC isn't to hard to get to. most Online -> services have it. and if you use an account that alows you to get on -> net useing a Winsock. the you can D/L a program to get on. I use IRC -> Cliant (It^s on Ratman's FTP i think.) And go -> -> IRC Telephone. -> Anotehr IRC but this requires more. You need a sound card and a -> microphone here to use this. It is alos a bit less secretive so if yo -> want to hide behond a digatal mask this whoudn't be a good idea. You -> need the program Internet Telephone that is on Ratman's FTP i think -> -> Furtoonia -> -> Probly the best of them it is a Vetural world with a Veturial Knothol -> All you need there is Telenet -> -> -> -> Let me know what you think about the idea. I don't know. it might be -> stupid idea. I think the heat's geting to me.:) But if we decide to d -> this then i can set it all up. Just let me know. -> -> John Mankowski@outdoor.com It's a possibility... I'd also suggest FurryMuck (mainly because I haven't access to IRC of any kind, and prefer it to FurToonia. Better Bars.) rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 20:45:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA06185 for sonic-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 20:26:00 -0400 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA06177 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 20:25:40 -0400 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux2.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux2.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.122]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA82238 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:25:36 -0500 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux2.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA02599; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:25:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 19:25:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199507150025.TAA02599@linux2.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Miscellaneous Speculation Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Dear friends BB: First of all, if it was a future Earth, why isn't it still called Earth? Secondly, at the current rate of technological development, I'm sure that Sally would own something much better than a simple hand-held computer Nicole's not so bad. She does seem to have a huge database, and artifi- cial intelligence. :-) I'm thinking that perhaps human culture somehow died off when humans no longer were the prevalent sentient species. So some aspects like Earth's name were lost/replaced, but others like Bunnie's and Antoine's accents survived. But now I'm having these "Mad Max/Thundarr" flashbacks. :-) BB: My theory is that Mobius is another planet. Maybe Earthlings colonized it with some humans and animals genetically engineered to evolve to sentient species. BB: (Question: why are all humans bent on world domination?) Both of them? :-) I wonder if there are any other humans left besides Robotnik and Snivelly. BJI: >an exact number for the age of maturity. So, 15 + 2 = 17, no? :) Um, no. Sally *did* say she wouldn't come of age until 18. So she's 15, going on 16. :-) It's probably a couple of months before her 16th. birthday. CB: What was the most unsettling when I saw the cartoon was how thin Sally was. Tootsi Pop physiques seem to be common in cartoons. I'm happy that the creators are taking her design more seriously in drawing her not as thin as before. DJD: "Fortified" Mawhinney, though, seems to draw her a little on the "squashed" side. Definitely. Mawhinney did an excellent job with the characters in the "Princess Sally" miniseries. But he seems to have particular trouble drawing Bunnie. Her torso looks like it's been mashed in between her appendages. Bunnie was featured in the last page of Sonic #25, but she's put behind the credits. Shame. DJD: as far as I'm concerned they are of dubious canonical value. There's just no way the daily series could be in the same continuity as the weekly series. The formats are just too different. The daily series is a bad imitation of old Warner Bros. cartoons, and it has no explanation for its premise. I'd rather it be just another of those parallel universes alluded to in the comic book, one I'd rather not visit. :-) ( Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts did make some appearances in the comic book, but thankfully they seem to be gone now. ) Well, at least the daily series has Miss Possum. :-) See ya around. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 01:47:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07695 for sonic-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:23:29 -0400 Received: from mail1.eworld.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07686 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:23:17 -0400 From: BJIrish@eworld.com Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA196235766; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 22:22:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 22:22:46 -0700 Message-Id: <950714222245_12201104@eWorld.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: FTP address Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net What's the new address of the FTP site? Brian J. Irish BJIrish@eWorld.com From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 02:13:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07819 for sonic-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:43:19 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07808 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:43:07 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id BAA11252; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:36:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:36:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic Merchandise List v2.0h Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net The hypertext version of the Sonic Merchandise List is now ready! Go to http://www.hff.rat.org/sonic, and then choose the Merchandise List. I put in a lot of time with Nicole to write and debug the HTML code, and I think Sonic and Sally would be pleased with the results. If you have Web access, please take a look at this new list. I already like it better than the plain text version. I remain fully committed to the plain text version. Both versions will be updated together, and no products will be added to one without being added to the other. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 02:17:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07842 for sonic-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:50:22 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07837 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:50:11 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id BAA11382; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:43:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: FTP address In-Reply-To: <950714222245_12201104@eWorld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Fri, 14 Jul 1995 BJIrish@eworld.com wrote: > What's the new address of the FTP site? ftp.hff.rat.org |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 02:30:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07730 for sonic-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:32:43 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07724 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:32:31 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id BAA10957; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:26:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 01:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic Merchandise List v2.0a Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net SONIC THE HEDGEHOG MERCHANDISE LIST v2.0a (12 July 1995) Compiled by Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) This is the plain ASCII version of the Sonic Merchandise List. A hypertext version can be viewed on the World Wide Web (WWW) at http://www.hff.rat.org/sonic. The WWW version contains some information not in this plain text version, but all products appear in both versions. Send submissions and corrections to sonic@rat.org. All information on Sega products was cut and pasted from a session log on CompuServe. Some information was cut and pasted from Sonic mailing list postings and from personal e-mail. Contributors: Alessandro Sanasi, Dan Drazen, Chris Baird, David M. Pistone, Dan Ramos, Fred Sloniker, Robin Hood (Kris Kelley), James Firmiss, Jan Barrows, Cameron Bennett, Brad Clark Section 10: GAMES ================= 10-01: Sonic the Hedgehog 3 LCD Game from Tiger Electronics. 10-02: Sonic the Hedgehog LCD Wrist Game from Tiger Electronics. This was offered in conjunction with some of the video cassettes. 10-03: Amazing Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Arcade from Sega. The diaboloicol Dr. Robotnik has created a robot factory and it's up to Sonic to stop the mass production of metal mutants! Sonic works his way through the maze-like rooms in an effort to find and remove the Emeralds, the factory's only power source. 10-04: Game Gear Sonic 2 System from Sega. 10-05: Genesis Sonic 2 System from Sega. 10-06: Sonic CD from Sega. Sonic goes head to head with The Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik's head with The Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik's evil Hedgehog creation! Sonic discovers Robotnik wants all of the Time Stones from The Little Planet so he can bend time and rule the world! The CD contains 34 audio selections which can be played on a regular CD player. 10-07: Sonic Chaos for Game Gear from Sega. Sonic The Hedgehog and his feisty friend Tails blast into hyperspeed to save the Chaos Emeralds. If evil Dr. Robotnik snatches the Emeralds first, he'll make a Super Bomb! 10-08: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 LCD Game from Tiger Electronics. Section 11: TOYS (NON-GAME) =========================== 11-01: Sonic plush toy, about 12" from Caltoy. 11-02: Tails plush toy, about 12" from Caltoy. McDonald's Happy Meal toys, 1st promotion (11-03, 11-04, 11-05, 11-06) 11-03: The Sonic toy had Sonic on a fireball and you could launch him off from it. 11-04: The Tails toy was a simple handheld launcher with a flat picture of Tails on a rotary (though four-tailed) tail shaped helicopter thing. 11-05: The Knuckles toy was a whirlwind toy you pushed/pulled along a tabletop and watched Knuckles spin as you moved it. 11-06: Robotnik: This toy looked exactly like the weekday syndicated Robotnik on his hover thingy. When it moved, it would move all over the place bumping into walls. 11-07: McDonald's Happy Meal toy, 2nd promotion. One of 12 different toys, but only 1 of those 12 related to Sonic. The toy looks like a purple/pink TV with a dark purple back. On the top is a black Sega Genesis console with a 3-button controller. 11-08: Sonic radio-controlled car by Nikko 11-09: Rubber ball in the shape of Sonic (curled up).. with spines. Manufacturer name not available. 11-10: Sonic figure. Plastic, 3.5" tall. The arms move, but not independently. Manufacturer name not available. Section 20: FOOD ================ 20-01: Fanta (Coca-Cola product) can from England with Sonic on it and the text "Orange Zone - Sonic cool can - the drink with attitude". 20-02: Fruit Roll-Ups by Betty Crocker (General Mills). 20-03: Sonic the Hedgehog Bubblegum in a 1.05oz/30g Game Gear-shaped container distributed by Amurol Confections. Has 5 bubblegum pieces and 5 Sonic Game Gear trading cards. Section 30: APPAREL =================== 30-01: Boys' briefs from Fruit of the Loom. 30-02: Sleeveless Sonic and Knuckles denim jacket from Sega. 30-03: Sonic and Knuckles "2nd to None" T-Shirt from Sega. 30-04: Sonic and Knuckles low-crown cap from Sega. 30-05: Sonic and Knuckles moving disc watch from Sega. 30-06: Sonic the Hedgehog "relaxed" cap from Sega. T-Shirts, sizes M to L, full colour, cotton (30-07, 30-08, 30-09, 30-10, 30-11, 30-12) 30-07: Front: Large portrait of Sonic doing that "standard" pointing pose, with the rest of the black cotton shirt covered (all over) in a dark yellow collage of scenes from the original(?) video game. Back: cheesy rear view of same. Size M; Mnf. by "Top Heavy". 30-08: A black cotton T-Shirt -- small picture of Sonic "in action" over the pocket area with "Sonic" banner underneath. Mnf. Acme. (Btw, this and the rest of the shirts are from Acme's "SEGA Mega Wear" line.) 30-09: Black cotton shirt with warm yellow and orange picture of a combat troll(?) poking his head out from a tank on the front. Large banner with "Pretend its a Game" in faux-bitmap text on back. Mnf. by Acme. 30-10: Black cotton shirt with several faux-bitmapped Sonics to show him running about (the final and largest pic with his arms folded) with the banner "Think Fast". Manufacturer name not available. 30-11: Black or white cotton shirt with the canonical "Sonic 2" portrait (with Tails) and S2 banner. Manufacturer name not available. 30-12: Black cotton shirt with a "television's eye view" of Sonic frantically playing with a game controller. Exaggerated comic-eqsue line work by "Brad". Manufacturer name not available. 30-13: Sonic sneakers. Manufacturer name not available. 30-14: Sonic silk necktie. Shows Sonic and various robot things on a solid black background. Adult size. From The Tie Rack. 30-15: Sonic and Tails necktie in adult size. Manufacturer name not available. Section 40: CARDS AND COLLECTIBLES ================================== Sonic Game Gear trading cards -- see Sonic the Hedgehog Bubblegum entry under Food (Section 20). 40-01: Valentine's Day cards. Manufacturer name not available. 40-02: Collector cards from Topps (from 1993). 33 sticker cards, 33 game tips cards and 6 (very rare) prism cards. 40-03: Official SEGA sticker album from Panini. 228 stickers showing scenes from the games and the weekday Sonic cartoon. Available at least in England and Germany. Section 50: PUBLICATIONS ======================== 50-01: "Sonic Strategy Guide" from Sega. 50-02: "Sonic the Hedgehog" comic, issued monthly plus occasional special editions. From Archie Comics. 50-03: "Sonic the Comic" comic, issued fortnightly. From Fleetway Publications. 50-04: "Sonic the Hedgehog", (c)1993 Michael Teitelbaum. From Troll Associates. 50-05: "Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge", (c) 1994. By Michael Teitelbaum. From Troll Associates. 50-06: "Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear, (c) 1994. By Michael Teitelbaum. From Troll Associates. 50-07: "Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors", (c) 1993. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London. 50-08: "Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension", (c) 1993. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London. 50-09: "Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory", (c) 1993. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London. 50-10: "Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik", (c) 1994. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London. 50-11: "Sonic the Hedgehog" Look and Find Book from Publications International. Artwork by Archie Comics. Section 60: VIDEO AND AUDIO ============================ All video listings are VHS cassettes. All tapes marked (A) are the "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" weekday series, and those marked (S) are part of the Saturday morning series. Sonic CD (audio selections) -- See Games (Section 10) 60-01: (S) Super Sonic (Buena Vista 2850) Episodes: "Super Sonic", "Sonic and Sally" 60-02: (S) Hooked On Sonics (Buena Vista 2849) Episodes: "Hooked On Sonics", "Warp Sonic" 60-03: (S) Sonic Racer (Buena Vista 2851) Episodes: "Sonic Racer", "Sonic Boom" 60-04: (A) Grounder the Genius (Buena Vista 2380) Episodes: "Grounder The Genius", "Black Headed Eagle" 60-05: (A) Road Hog (Buena Vista 2381) Episodes: "Road Hog", "Tails In Charge" 60-06: (A) Robotnik Express (Buena Vista 2382) Episodes: "Robotnik Express", "Tails' New Home" 60-07: (A) Slowww Going (Buena Vista 2383) Episodes: "Slowww Going", "Over the Hill" 60-08: (A) Sonic's Song (Buena Vista 2379) Episodes: "Sonic's Song", "Best Hedgehog" 60-09: (A) Super Special Sonic Search Squad (Buena Vista 2385) Episodes: "Sonic Underground", "Lovesick Sonic" 60-10: Audio CD "Sonic Boom" Label and number not available. Section 90: MISCELLANEOUS ========================= 90-01: Drink bottles (attach-to-bicycle-frame) -- robust-looking plastic moulding printed with a STH banner and 2 pictures of Sonic -- one a typical running pose, the other of him reclining in a sun chair wearing dark glasses. Manufacturer name not available; made in Australia. 90-02: Bike helmets -- made from expanded polystyrene and a thin plastic shell covered with multiple pictures of Sonic lifting weights. Available in sizes SM/M and with a black or white background. Mnf. by Headstart. 90-03: Sewing pattern, manufacturer name not available. Sonic appears to be running alongside a body of water. There are 4 power rings behind him. A Sonic logo and a star in a circle are at the top. 90-04: Sega Forum on CompuServe (GO SEGA). Message and file sections for all Sega games. 90-05: Lunch kit showing Sonic from Aladdin. SUPPLIERS ========= Acme Aladdin 703 Murfreesboro Rd Nashville, TN 37210 Amurol Confections Co. Yorkville, IL 60560 Archie Comics 325 Fayette Ave. Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Buena Vista Home Video Burbank, CA 91521 Caltoy, a division of C&H Toy of America Inc. La Palma, CA Coca-Cola Co. One Coca-Cola Plaza N.W. Atlanta, GA 30313 CompuServe Information Service P.O. Box 20212 5000 Arlington Centre Blvd. Columbus, OH 43220 Fleetway Editions Ltd. 25/31 Tavistock Place London WC1H 9SU United Kingdom Tel. 071 344-6400 Fruit of the Loom 6300 Sears Tower Chicago, IL 60606 General Mills One General Mills Blvd. Minneapolis, MN 55426 Headstart Nikko McDonald's Corp. McDonald's Plaza Oak Brook, IL 60521 Panini -- PANINI PUBLISHING LTD Tunbridge Wells 2TN2 5TT United Kingdom Distribution in Germany: ASV Vertriebs GmbH Suederstrasse 77 20097 Hamburg Distribution in Austria: Pressegrossvertrieb Salzburg Niederalm 300 5081 Salzburg Publications International Sega of America 255 Shoreline Dr. Redwood City, CA 94065 (Back issues of "Sonic the Comic") SONIC BACK ISSUE ZONE Aim Ltd. PO Box 10 Sunderland, SR4 6SN United Kingdom The Tie Rack Tiger Electronics Inc. 980 Woodlands Parkway Vernon Hills, IL 60061 Top Heavy Sydney, Australia The Topps Company Inc. Duryea, PA 18642 Troll Associates Mahwah, NJ Virgin, London RETAILERS ========= Video Express (VOX) 5339 Prospect Road #336 San Jose, CA 95129 (telnet://videoexpress.com/) Whole Toon Catalog P.O. Box 369 Issaquah, WA 98027 |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 06:49:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA09060 for sonic-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 06:29:53 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA09049 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 06:29:41 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id GAA11994 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 06:26:39 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: meet From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AD415D.0001001A18.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 95 05:49:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok it looks sofar that the meet is a good idea. But personly i whould prefer IRC or IRCtelephone over Furtoonia for one i still havn't go my charector yet that i sent away for. So i might start to take a vote form everyone. starting now and ending next friday send me where you think whould be a good place for a meet. and also a good time. because of major time zone difrences we might have a little problem there. a good time that was mentened was sunday morning at 8:00 EDT this whoud however meen people over in calif. whould have to be on at 5 in the morning and over in aust. it whould be 11 at night. So send me a good time. And make sure it is in EDT time or i will get messed up. This will NOT be an autmated vote counter so you can send me coments. And don't flood the list with votes send them right to me at. John Mankowski@outdoor.com Send me where you want the meet (IRC, IRCT, FURTOONIA, ect.) and a good time in EDT. Or if you see me on IRC you can tell me there On irc and irct i am Sonic100. And once i get my charector on furtoonia i will be Sonic-Clone. Thanks From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 16 08:16:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA17833 for sonic-ll; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 08:12:10 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA17828 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 08:11:58 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA23812; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 08:05:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 08:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: We're on TV Net now Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I have just finished adding Mobius to TV Net (http://tvnet.com/TVnet.html). I've included this list, both FAQ's, the episode list, and two newsgroups (a.f.s-h and r.a.a). For compatibility with TV Net's FAQ retrieval, I changed the ftp site storage of faq-dd from 3 parts back to 1 part. (If you use ftpmail, the server should be able to break up the file into 64K chunks, if you cannot receive messages >64K.) In addition to TV Net, we are listed in the Publicly Accessible Mailing Lists (PAML) list and the rec.arts.tv FAQ. We might also be in AOL's private list of mailing lists, but I can't check that because I'm not on AOL. I also know of 3 Web pages with links to the list's page (http://www.hff.rat.org/sonic). |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 18 20:16:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA14361 for sonic-ll; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:02:46 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA14356 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:02:35 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id TAA09142 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:59:32 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic Doom Wad From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AD7476.0001001A95.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 19:02:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok i found a Sonic Doom wad. Well it is more like a patch. You run it in your Doom DIR. And I find it not exactly to my likeings. All it really does is replace the IMPs with Tails. And it is done really cheeply too. all they did was scan a pic from the game. WHen he gets close he starts to look Bloocky. Oh well try this if you have Doom I will send it to the FTP site later tonight. And if you don't have Ftp then let me know and i can UUEncode it for you. But because of a recently added rule I will only do that over private E-Mail. The file will be called tails-fw.zip I will be sending it to hff.rat.org. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 02:54:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA17510 for sonic-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:45:11 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA17501 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:45:00 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id CAA29302; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:38:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic Merchandise List v2.0.1h Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net The changes in the images structure (announced seperately) broke some links in the HTML version of the Merchandise List. I believe I have fixed all the broken links. As several hours passed between the directory changes and the update, I hope no one was inconvenienced by not being able to use the links before the update was complete. There are no new listings in this version. I will not maintain version number parity with the plain text version until 2.1.0 of either is reached. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 03:13:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA17471 for sonic-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:37:31 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA17466 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:37:20 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id CAA29007; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:31:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 02:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: ftp site directory structure changes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net The images directory at the ftp site (ftp.rat.org) has changed. This change will break any automation or ftpmail script you might be using. The following directories are now under /pub/sonic/images/ : comic - Scans from the comic book drawn - Drawings game - Anything releated to the game icons - Little pictures logos - Logos of Sega, Sonic or whatever perv - Of a... ahem. Mature content. plush - Plush dolls (little stuffed animals) poses - Sonic and others in various poses other - What the heck are these from? Hopefully these changes will make it easier for you to find the pictures you're looking for, and they will not cause any significant inconvenience. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 12:50:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA22022 for sonic-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:39:49 -0400 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA22009 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:39:36 -0400 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02240; Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:39:34 MDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 10:39:34 MDT Message-Id: <9507191639.AA02240@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: ftp site directory structure changes Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net You asked if having the image files at your FTP site would be an inconveniance. I would say, no, because now the images are organized even more. Thanx, dude. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 08:46:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA01697 for sonic-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:32:45 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA01692 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:32:29 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18165; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:32:25 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA06244; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:32:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9507201232.AA06244@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic Issues 1-15,17 To: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507191818.AA19217@rgfn.epcc.Edu> from "John W. Johnston" at Jul 19, 95 12:18:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Dan > Well, there they all are, Issues #01-15 and #17. I hope > you are pleased with them. > > BTW. Where can I get a copy of UUencode and UUdecode? > >ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu >John W. Johnston > Jedi Knight > Freelance John, you've earned a spot on the Mobius Freedom Fighters Wall of Honor or whatever they've got. You've also made my job as keeper of the FAQ File a heck of a lot easier! Many thanks. I'm afraid I can't help you with the UU business; I'm not that well set up. There are a couple of virtual Mobians who have made graphics available: David Pistone (aka, Rotor) and Ratman. Either one of them could steer you in the right direction. I'm sure there are others as well. We now return you to your regularly scheduled freedom fighter. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 12:16:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA04177 for sonic-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:05:09 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA04168 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:04:58 -0400 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA19173 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:04:55 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id LAA12852 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:04:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199507201604.LAA12852@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (one half) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 11:04:52 CDT In-Reply-To: <9507201232.AA06244@edmund>; from "Dan Drazen" at Jul 20, 95 8:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Recently I was told that there was ONE issue of Archie's Sonic comic which I didn't have. Issue 1/2 (Also drawn by Scott Shaw!). It apparently was a 'free insert' in another comic (or in one of those little newsletters the comic stores slip in your bag talking about all the new comics coming out). Has anyone ever seen this? Is this a myth? By the way.. anyone know where I can get 2" silicon wafers cheap? OOP! I'm mixing business and pleasure again! -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 224 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 13:19:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05023 for sonic-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:16:20 -0400 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05018 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:16:09 -0400 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA033530538; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:15:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:15:38 -0400 Message-Id: <950720131536_36929192@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (o... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net James: Sonic 1/2 exists. It basically reprints the first 6 or 8 pages of Sonic #0. It was polybagged with an issue of "Sega Visions" and also was part of a special promotion with Howard Johnson's. It was printed entirely on standard newsstand stock, and did NOT have a glossy cover. Hope this helps. Best regards, Paul Castiglia Archie Comics From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 14:47:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA06165 for sonic-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:36:55 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA06156 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:36:37 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16956; Thu, 20 Jul 95 14:41:56 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 33620W Thu, 20 Jul 1995 18:32:50 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (one half) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 18:02:08 GMT Message-Id: <95072014325053149@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: James Firmiss -> To: sard.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 11:04:52 CDT -> Subject: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (one half) -> -> -> Recently I was told that there was ONE issue of Archie's Sonic comic -> I didn't have. -> -> Issue 1/2 (Also drawn by Scott Shaw!). It apparently was a 'free ins -> in another comic (or in one of those little newsletters the comic sto -> slip in your bag talking about all the new comics coming out). -> -> Has anyone ever seen this? Is this a myth? -> -> By the way.. anyone know where I can get 2" silicon wafers cheap? -> OOP! I'm mixing business and pleasure again! -> -> -- -> ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== -> -> Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 224 days left! No myth. I remember it from many many moons ago... it was a promotional piece for (NOT ARCHIE) the Sonic Video Game for the Genny. No-one knew that the game would take off like it DID,tho... rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 19:16:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09765 for sonic-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 18:49:51 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09754 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 18:49:37 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19121; Thu, 20 Jul 95 18:41:45 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 34026W Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:32:51 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (o... Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 21:02:56 GMT Message-Id: <95072018325153232@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: Benny7dude@aol.com -> To: sard.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:15:38 -0400 -> Subject: Re: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (o... -> -> James: -> -> Sonic 1/2 exists. It basically reprints the first 6 or 8 pages of So -> It was polybagged with an issue of "Sega Visions" and also was part -> special promotion with Howard Johnson's. It was printed entirely on -> newsstand stock, and did NOT have a glossy cover. Hope this helps. -> -> Best regards, -> Paul Castiglia -> Archie Comics There was also a "Sonic Comic" advertisement in some comic books-- DC, MArverl, and maybe Archie, about the Game. It had almost nothing, as far as I know, to do with the present comic book, but was rather an advert for the new (then) Sonic game for the Genisis. Hmm... I wonder if that can be found anywhere? It described a REALLY different origin for both Sonic and Robotnik... rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 09:18:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15432 for sonic-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:00 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15422 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:46:37 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12993; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:46:33 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA25965; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:46:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9507211246.AA25965@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 1/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:46:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net MAIL DELETED BECAUSE OF LACK OF DISK SPACE From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 09:30:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15442 for sonic-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:23 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15437 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:11 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13000; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:07 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA26009; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9507211247.AA26009@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net MAIL DELETED BECAUSE OF LACK OF DISK SPACE From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 09:47:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15452 for sonic-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:48:08 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15445 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:56 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13053; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:52 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA26021; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9507211247.AA26021@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 3/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:47:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net MAIL DELETED BECAUSE OF LACK OF DISK SPACE From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 16:17:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA19791 for sonic-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 15:38:39 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA19785 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 15:38:28 -0400 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA13163 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:38:25 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id OAA17605 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:38:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199507211938.OAA17605@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Sonic 27 is out To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 14:38:23 CDT In-Reply-To: ; from "Ratman" at Jun 15, 95 3:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Yo! I finally got Sonic 27 today. I'm not gonna review it but here's a teazer. --- Sonic? A Badnik?! On a routine recon mission, Sonic is captured and gets as case of comedy's favorite medical affliction (amnesia). Robotnik befriends the confused Sonic and trains him to be a Badnik! Is this the end of Knothole and the Freedom Fighters? --- Sonic-Grams info They said the 48-page Sonic 'Triple Trouble' is going to be out in 2 weeks but isn't that what they said last time? What the heck? Next Month. (Issue 28) Tails solo story [countdown to his 3-part miniseries]. Also... Sally replies in the letter's page and says Geoffrey St. John is Australian. -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 223 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 17:47:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA21119 for sonic-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:19:33 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA21114 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:19:22 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA14493; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:13:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (o... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you want to reply directly to its author, please be sure your reply is addressed to sanasi@deco.franken.de. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 21 Jul 1995 21:03:00 +0100 From: Alessandro Sanasi To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Archie Sonic Issue 1/2 (o... On 20 Jul 95, Robert Haynie wrote: > There was also a "Sonic Comic" advertisement in some comic books-- > DC, MArverl, and maybe Archie, about the Game. It had almost nothing, > as far as I know, to do with the present comic book, but was rather an > advert for the new (then) Sonic game for the Genisis. Hmm... I wonder > if that can be found anywhere? It described a REALLY different origin > for both Sonic and Robotnik... > rob There was a Sonic Advertising Supplement in "Disney Adventures Magazine" Volume 2 No. 1, November 1991 (the issue with Michael Jordan on the cover). 7 pages, story & art by Francis Mao. The story looks a lot like the early Sonic comics from Fleetway, starring Robotnik, Sonic the Hedgehog, Flicky the bluebird, Johnnny Lightfoot the hare, Sally Acorn the squirrel (not the Sally we know, she looks totally different) and of course some badniks from the first Sonic game. It tells how Sonic and Dr. Kintobor become friends, how Sonic gets his blue color and power sneakers, the origin of the chaos emeralds and how Kintobor is turned into the evil Robotnik due to an accident in his laboratory. A review of this story (with totally new artwork) has been printed in one of the Fleetway comics. (Remember my posting from February 02, 1995?) Best wishes Alessandro From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 18:20:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA21137 for sonic-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:23:24 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA21132 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:23:13 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA14624; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:17:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:17:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic booklist (long) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you want to reply directly to its=20 author, please be sure your reply is addressed to sanasi@deco.franken.de. ----------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 21 Jul 1995 20:06:00 +0100 From: Alessandro Sanasi To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic booklist (long) Hi there. After reading about the new Sonic book 'Friend or Foe' in the Sonic FAQ =20 File I checked all my sources to get info about new publications. What I = =20 finally got was a very long and detailled list of available books about =20 our favourite blue hedgehog. Because this might be of some interest I've decided to send it to the =20 mailing list. BTW, I've already bought the four Sonic books by Martin Adams. I'll post = =20 a synopsis as soon as I find the time to write it down. At the moment I'm = =20 too busy playing on FurToonia MUCK... Ok, here comes the booklist: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ -- Teitelbaum -- ] Sonic the Hedgehog 1993 Author: Michael Teitelbaum Trade Paperback ISBN 0-8167-3199-3 Troll Associates $ 2.50 CHILDRENS BOOKS, AGES 4 - 8 Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge 1994 Author: Michael Teitelbaum Trade Paperback ISBN 0-8167-3438-0 Troll Associates $ 2.50 CHILDRENS BOOKS, AGES 9 - 12 Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear 1995 Author: Michael Teitelbaum Trade Paperback ISBN 0-8167-3582-4 Troll Associates $ 2.50 CHILDRENS BOOKS, AGES 4 - 8 Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe? 1995 Author: Michael Teitelbaum Trade Paperback ISBN 0-8167-3672-3 Troll Associates $ 2.50 CHILDRENS BOOKS, AGES 4 - 8 Sonic & Knuckles 1995 Author: Michael Teitelbaum Trade Paperback ISBN 0-8167-3781-9 Troll Associates $ 2.50 CHILDRENS BOOKS, AGES 4 - 8 Sonic the Hedgehog Activity Book 1995 Author: Michael Teitelbaum Trade Paperback ISBN 0-8167-3787-8 Troll Associates $ 2.95 CHILDRENS BOOKS, AGES 4 - 8 [ -- Adams -- ] Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory 1993 Author: Martin Adams Trade Paperback ISBN 0-426-20401-8 Virgin Books, London =A3 2.99 OLDER FICTION Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension 1993 Author: Martin Adams Trade Paperback ISBN 0-426-20402-6 Virgin Books, London =A3 2.99 OLDER FICTION Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors 1993 Author: Martin Adams Trade Paperback ISBN 0-426-20403-4 Virgin Books, London =A3 2.99 OLDER FICTION Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik 1994 Author: Martin Adams Trade Paperback ISBN 0-426-20405-0 Virgin Books, London =A3 2.99 OLDER FICTION [ -- others -- ] Sonic: The Story 10/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3439-8 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 YOUNG FICTION Sonic the Hedgehog Storybook 01 Invisible Robotnik 10/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-1739-6 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 1.99 YOUNG FICTION Sonic the Hedgehog Storybook 02 Robotnik's Oil 10/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-1740-X Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 1.99 YOUNG FICTION Sonic the Hedgehog - Joke Book 1995 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3481-9 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 1.50 HUMOUR JNR Sonic the Hedgehog (Adventure Gamebooks v.1) 10/94 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3432-0 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 GAMES & PUZZLES JUN Sonic the Hedgehog (Adventure Gamebooks v.2) 10/94 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3433-9 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 GAMES & PUZZLES JUN Sonic the Hedgehog (Adventure Gamebooks v.3) 1995 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3494-0 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 GAMES & PUZZLES JUN Sonic the Hedgehog (Adventure Gamebooks v.4) 1995 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3495-9 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 GAMES & PUZZLES JUN Sonic (Puzzle Gamebook, v.1) 10/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3434-7 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 PUZZLE Sonic (Puzzle Gamebook, v.2) 10/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3435-5 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 PUZZLE Where's Sonic? (Search Books, v.1) 10/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3436-3 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 SEARCH Sonic the Hedgehog (Poster Colouring S., v.1) 1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7214-3437-1 Ladybird Books Ltd. =A3 1.25 POSTER Stay Sonic 1993 Author: Pattenden M. Trade Paperback ISBN 0-14-090390-9 Penguin Books Ltd. =A3 4.99 GENERAL FICTION Sonic Adventure Gamebook Vol. Bk. 1 Metal City Mayhem 08/1993 Author: James Wallis Trade Paperback ISBN 0-14-090391-7 Penguin Books Ltd. ISBN 0-14-037629-1 (1995) =A3 3.99 ROLE PLAY Sonic Adventure Gamebook Vol. Bk. 2 Zone Rangers 06/1993 Author: James Wallis Trade Paperback ISBN 0-14-090392-5 Penguin Books Ltd. ISBN 0-14-037630-5 (1995) =A3 3.99 ROLE PLAY Sonic Adventure Gamebook Vol. Bk. 3 Sonic versus Zonik 04/1994 Author: Nigel Gross & Jon Suitherland Trade Paperback ISBN 0-14-090406-9 Penguin Books Ltd. ISBN 0-14-037631-3 (1995) =A3 3.99 ROLE PLAY Sonic Adventure Gamebook Vol. Bk. 4 The Zone-Zapper 04/1994 Author: Nigel Gross & Jon Suitherland Trade Paperback ISBN 0-14-090407-7 Penguin Books Ltd. ISBN 0-14-037632-1 (1995) =A3 3.99 ROLE PLAY Sonic the Hedgehog Album No. 1 Beats the Badniks 02/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 1-85304-256-0 Ravette Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 CHARACTER Sonic the Hedgehog Album No. 2 Spin Attack 02/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 1-85304-259-5 Ravette Books Ltd. =A3 2.99 CHARACTER Sonic Hedgehog 1994 Box ISBN 0-307-75401-4 Golden Books =A3 6.99 NOVELTY BOOKS [ -- hints & cheats books -- ] Power Cheats Guide to Sonic 1 & 2: The Complete Solutions Vol. Sega Megadrive and Master System Versions 02/1993 Author: David Gibbon Trade Paperback ISBN 0-7457-0085-3 Kuma Books Ltd. =A3 9.95 GAMES & PUZZLES Sonic & Hedgehog Golden Mini Play Lights 09/1993 Western Publ. Company Inc. Trade Cloth ISBN 0-307-75401-4 Golden Books $ 14.95 GAMES & PUZZLES Sonic the Hedgehog An official Guide 02/1994 Author: Crey Sandler Trade Paperback ISBN 1-56686-146-2 Brady Computer Books $ 9.95 GAMES & PUZZLES An Official Player's Guide to Sonic the Hedgehog: An authorized Guide 1994 Author: Jason R. Rich Trade Paperback ISBN 0-87455-283-4 Compute Publications Int. Ltd. 224 pages $ 12.95 GAMES & PUZZLES Official Player's Guide to Sonic the Hedgehog 1994 Author: Jason R. Rich Trade Paperback ISBN 0-87455-299-0 Compute Publications Int. Ltd. 272 pages $ 12.95 GAMES & PUZZLES SEGA Genesis Complete Sonic Play Guide 03/1994 Author: Eddie McKendrick Trade Paperback ISBN 1-55958-536-6 Prima Publishing $ 14.95 GAMES & PUZZLES Official Sega Mega Drive Sonic 3 Play Guide 06/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 1-85286-567-9 Titan Books Ltd. =A3 7.99 GAMES & PUZZLES Winning Tips for Sonic Hedgehog 04/1994 Author: Nal Dutton, Consumer Guide Staff Trade Paperback ISBN 0-451-82285-4 Signet Books $ 5.99 COMPUTER GAMES Sonic Collection 07/1994 Author: Russel Demaria Trade Paperback ISBN 1-55958-524-2 Prima Publishing $ 12.95 COMPUTER GAMES Sonic & Knuckles 10/1994 Trade Paperback ISBN 1-56686-218-3 Brady Robert J. & Sams $ 9.99 COMPUTER GAMES Master Games: Sonic the Hedgehog 1993 Author: Takoushi, T. Trade Paperback ISBN 0-590-55377-1 =A3 3.99 GAMES & PUZZLES JUN ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have fun Alessandro --- You get what anyone gets. You get a lifetime. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 19:47:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA21961 for sonic-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 19:34:31 -0400 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA21956 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 19:34:17 -0400 Received: from scorch.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA27786 for sard.mv.net!sonic; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 09:34:08 +1000 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au by scorch.hna.com.au with smtp tap_id root (Smail 3.1.28.1 #10) id m0sZQLL-000WFoC; Sat, 22 Jul 95 08:14 EST Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA06718; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:18:37 +1000 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:18:37 +1000 Message-Id: <199507212218.IAA06718@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@sard.mv.net In-reply-to: drazen@andrews.edu's message of 22 Jul 1995 03:06:23 +1000 Subject: Re: Sonic FAQ File 1/3 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au References: <9507211246.AA25965@edmund> Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net sard.mv.net: > MAIL DELETED BECAUSE OF LACK OF DISK SPACE Ha-haa! :) (Okay, so it's not really that funny after being in the same position myself..) Now it's ObSonic time: BB: First of all, if it was a future Earth, why isn't it still called Earth? > My theory is that Mobius is another planet. Lara: > Maybe Earthlings colonized it with some humans and animals genetically > engineered to evolve to sentient species. > I'm thinking that perhaps human culture somehow died off when humans > no longer were the prevalent sentient species. So some aspects like > Earth's name were lost/replaced, but others like Bunnie's and Antoine's > accents survived. But now I'm having these "Mad Max/ Thundarr" > flashbacks. :-) Maybe Mobius is a duplicated Earth, created during some advanced physics/mathematical (hence the name) lab experiment gone awry.. Let's see.. The duplicate planet also could've been created intentionally, but several million years "in the future" to see how the animals evolved (or to prove theories on the development of sapience?) The humans that are there could be [descended] from the survey parties. Ant' and Bunnie's accents then would be the result of their ancestors learning language from survey party tutors from the appropriate ethnic group... > Secondly, at the current rate of technological development, I'm sure that > Sally would own something much better than a simple hand-held computer There's a "prime directive" of the above survey parties to limit their influence in technological development..? :) DJD: "Fortified" > Mawhinney, though, seems to draw [Sally] a little on the "squashed" side. Lara: > Definitely. Mawhinney did an excellent job with the characters in the > "Princess Sally" miniseries. But he seems to have particular trouble > drawing Bunnie. Her torso looks like it's been mashed in between her > appendages. Mawhinney's Bunnie also has a very child-like face. Ugh, IMHO. -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 22 02:17:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA23846 for sonic-ll; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 01:51:44 -0400 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA23833 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 01:51:31 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA123882260; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 01:51:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 01:51:00 -0400 Message-Id: <950722015058_120376878@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Mobius explainèd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-21 20:56:57 EDT, list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au writes: >Maybe Mobius is a duplicated Earth, created during some advanced >physics/mathematical (hence the name) lab experiment gone awry.. (Maybe Slartibartfast made it.) Maybe future humans venture out into the galaxy and find a perfectly habitable planet. They colonize it and teach the highly evolv=E8d animal= s English (or French or possibly other languages). The humans gain too muc= h power, the animals rebel against them, there's a "Great War" (Blast to th= e Past), and the animals finally win. Robotnik and Snivley defected and th= at's why they're the only ones left. -B.B. "Simple, just change the gravitational constant of the universe." -Q, Star Trek: The Next Generation From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 22 03:48:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA24382 for sonic-ll; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 03:17:14 -0400 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA24377 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 03:16:55 -0400 Received: from scorch.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id RAA16781 for sard.mv.net!sonic; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:16:37 +1000 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au by scorch.hna.com.au with smtp tap_id root (Smail 3.1.28.1 #10) id m0sZVhw-000WGkC; Sat, 22 Jul 95 13:58 EST Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA09267; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 14:02:33 +1000 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 14:02:33 +1000 Message-Id: <199507220402.OAA09267@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@sard.mv.net In-reply-to: firmiss@cae.wisc.edu's message of 22 Jul 1995 09:57:54 +1000 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Re: Sonic 27 is out References: <199507211938.OAA17605@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net James Firmiss : > Yo! I finally got Sonic 27 today. I'm not gonna review it but > here's a teazer. [..] > Sonic-Grams info > Also... Sally replies in the letter's page and says Geoffrey > St. John is Australian. I thought he was supposed to be British! :) (The affected speech, `Her Majesty's Secret Service', that funny "Brigadier" (Dr Who) style hat..) Sigh, my country still has image problems... -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 00:24:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA29612 for sonic-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:03:52 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA29605 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:03:41 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA14018; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 23:57:32 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 23:57:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: New links on the Web page Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Are you curious about Sonic's counterparts here on Earth? I just added 2 new links to the Web page [http://www.hff.rat.org/sonic]: "Brian's Hedgehog Page" and "Hedgehogs", and the latter has a little tribute to our Mobian friends. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 00:43:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA29666 for sonic-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:10:38 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA29657 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:10:26 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA14876; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:04:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 00:04:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: FORTHCOMING: Merch. List v3.0.0x Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Work on the next version is now underway. There will be quite a few new listings as well as some additional info on existing listings. I think there will be enough changes for me to move directly from 2.x to 3.x. I'm also going to include a real "What's New" section inside the list instead of posting this seperately. As before, there will be both a plain text "a" and a Web "h" version. I may also be making a IPF "i" version, but that may not be ready for some time. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 13:48:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05631 for sonic-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:36:38 -0400 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05626 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:36:28 -0400 Received: from usr5.primenet.com (root@usr5.primenet.com [198.68.32.15]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA08476 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 10:36:27 -0700 Received: (rotor@localhost) by usr5.primenet.com (8.6.12/wjp-c2.0) id KAA08890; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 10:36:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 10:36:26 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: I've moved! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net That's right, my WWW Sonic page has moved. The new address is: http://www.rat.org/bookshire Those of you who have placed links to my page in your pages, please make the appropriate adjustments. During the move, I've added a new story and a few other little things. As always, submissions of any kind to my page are always welcome and considered for posting. See ya. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hate you, You hate me" "Let's hang Barney from a tree" "With a kick and a punch and a bullet to the head" "Now that purple freak is dead" David M. Pistone -- rotor@primenet.com __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ http://www.rat.org/bookshire /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 14:49:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05972 for sonic-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:30:25 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05967 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:30:10 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20491; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:28:04 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA23939; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:27:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9507231827.AA23939@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic booklist (long) (fwd) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:27:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Erich Schulman" at Jul 21, 95 05:17:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Yikes! Looks like I've got my work cut out for me, incorporating these titles in the FAQ File. Hats off to your hard work, Erich! Forget about Willy; Free Mobius! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 14:57:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05990 for sonic-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:32:24 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05984 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:32:13 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20550; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:32:02 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA24106; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:31:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9507231831.AA24106@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic 27 is out To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 14:31:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199507211938.OAA17605@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu> from "James Firmiss" at Jul 21, 95 02:38:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Yo! I finally got Sonic 27 today. > > I'm not gonna review it but here's a teazer. > > On a routine recon mission, Sonic is captured and gets as case of comedy's > favorite medical affliction (amnesia). Robotnik befriends the confused > Sonic and trains him to be a Badnik! Is this the end of Knothole and the > Freedom Fighters? > Funny, that's the same question we were supposed to be asking ourselves during the "No Brainer" ep of the SatAM series (second season). I hope this doesn't mean that the writers are running out of gas. If they need ideas for stories, however, there are people on the list (myself included) who would be only too happy to make suggestions. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 15:19:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA06264 for sonic-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 15:11:42 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA06259 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 15:11:31 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA08300; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 15:05:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 15:05:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Anti-spam (was: Re: Sonic booklist (long) (fwd)) In-Reply-To: <9507231827.AA23939@edmund> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sun, 23 Jul 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > Looks like I've got my work cut out for me, incorporating these titles > in the FAQ File. > > Hats off to your hard work, Erich! I'm not the one who compiled the book list. I did forward the message to the list which made it look like my post. I think I've got pine configured properly so that I can now forward messages to the list without them looking like my posts. I'll try next time I need to forward a post. (Should the need not arise for some time, I will use a test message. I just don't like testing my software on the list.) I also filed the list in the text directory at the ftp site. I have had to forward messages from several subscribers this month. Here's why. Early this month, we (and many other mailing lists) got hit by a spammer advertising personal ads for some lady in the former USSR. The next day, the Sonic list implemented a new policy that blocks posts from nonsubscribers. If your posting address and subscription don't match, your mail will bounce to me for approval instead of going out to the list. This policy change has already stopped three more spams that would have hit the Sonic list (the same spammer, too). Let the record show that the book list was written by Alessandro Sanasi. I will be incorporating the book list into the next merchandise list, along with the Sonic .5 comic, and a few more listings. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 21:17:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA08554 for sonic-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:56:22 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA08548 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:56:05 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA21939; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:49:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: New images at ftp site Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net There are 5 new images at the ftp site in the /pub/sonic/images/other directory. The filenames are: tailatk.gif tailfly.gif tailpled.gif tailshck.gif tailstnd.gif They are not big files, so if you like Tails you will get them all (g). Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 12:19:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA14450 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:59:36 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA14444 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:59:23 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id LAA01678 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:56:17 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Final Vote From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ADD283.0001001D26.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 10:43:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Well here is what my vote about the meet came out IRC Won with 60% of the votes. As for Furtoonia and Furrymuck they both broke even with 20%. That was alot better for those 2 then i expected. Still IRC is the winner so that is where the meet will be held. I got MENY! difrent time requests. Trying to find a perfect time was hard because all the times sent in by people where all difrent. But based on the most popular times 6:00 PM saturday Whould be the best. This whould mean on the west coast it whould be 3pm in Eurip it whould be 10pm but on the other side of the wold it whould be around 6am sunday. I hope this won't ruin anyons plans for those times. But that whould apear the best times. As for a date well how does Saturday July 29th sound. if that is a problem let me know I am trying to make everyone i can hapy. Sorry if I can't do so. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 12:48:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15167 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:46:30 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15158 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:46:17 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22557; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:46:12 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA02448; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:46:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9507241646.AA02448@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ -- OOPS! To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:46:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Only just noticed that the FAQ File didn't get through. Have tried again. Hope it takes. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 13:19:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA14830 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:28:40 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA14825 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:28:27 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA24479; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:28:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:28:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Final Vote In-Reply-To: <8ADD283.0001001D26.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > Well here is what my vote about the meet came out > > IRC Won with 60% of the votes. As for Furtoonia and Furrymuck they both > broke even with 20%. That was alot better for those 2 then i expected. > Still IRC is the winner so that is where the meet will be held. Count me in. But all the talk about furtoonia caused me to join, and I found Knothole! I think it's really fun to be "in" Mobius, and talking with all the Mobians. I also like it A LOT better than IRC since nobody can take over and kick everyone out, which happens a lot with IRC. It's a lot harder than IRC since you can do so much more. Like create objects, describe yourself, and "move" around to different parts of Mobius. It takes a bit of getting used to, but I think it's worth it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 13:20:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15134 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:45:08 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15118 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:51 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22534; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:48 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA02300; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9507241644.AA02300@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net NOTICE: The fact that episode and story summaries appear here means there is a good chance that you will encounter spoilers. This is your only notice! II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE 1. First Season: 1993-94 Super Sonic Writer: Jules Dennis When Nicole malfunctions, Sonic and Sally go to Robotropolis to get replacement parts. While there, they discover the Forbidden Zone and a being named Lezar. Lezar causes Sonic to lose his speed abilities, and teaches him that he can still accomplish things without it. Sonic Boom Writer: Len Janson While on a mission in Robotropolis, Sally intercepts a message which includes the use of her father's pet name for her. They follow the lead to the Dark Swamp and the remains of Ironlock Prison. In the process, a freedom fighter named Cat is captured. The freedom fighters gain maps to Robotropolis, but the search for Sally's father proves futile. Sonic and Sally Writers: Pat Allee and Ben Hurst Before becoming the principle writers for the second season, Allee and Hurst wrote this account of Sally's capture by Robotnik's forces. Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Back in Knothole, Tails begins to doubt Sally's behavior because of small details, such as how she reads a bedtime story. After first dismissing Tails' fears, Sonic also comes to realizes he's been dealing with a "Stepford Sally." Hooked on Sonics Writer: Randy Rogel In an attempt to impress Sally, Antoine tries to capture Robotnik by himself. He attempts to lure Robotnik into the open with the offer of a power ring, but Antoine is himself captured and Sonic has to rescue him. Ultra Sonic Writer: David Villaire While on a raid in Robotropolis, Sonic finds his Uncle Chuck as a robot worker in a crystal mine. Uncle Chuck recovers his mind and will long enough to help destroy a giant crystal which would have damaged the ecosystem of the entire planet. As Uncle Chuck loses control of his will, Sonic vows to return for him. Sonic's Nightmare Writer: Frank Santopadre The freedom fighters are captured and held on a deserted island refinery. Sonic must not only rescue them but he also has to deal with a recurring nightmare where he unable to prevent Sally's being roboticized. Warp Sonic Writer: Matt Uitz The freedom fighters discover an underground civilization called Lower Mobius and one of its citizens, Griff. Lower Mobius draws energy from a power crystal, but it is weakening. Feigning friendship, Griff visits Knothole and steals the power stone which is the source of the power rings. After fighting off some mechanical rats, the power stone is retrieved. Griff apologizes for his theft and is given a portion of the stone to aid Lower Mobius. Harmonic Sonic Writer: David Villaire After Robotnik launches a robot-manned orbiting space station to locate Knothole, the Knothole freedom fighters use a rocket booster to reach and destroy it. Sonic and the Secret Scrolls Writer: Janis Diamond The freedom fighters journey to Mauga (sp?) to recover some legendary scrolls, but Robotnik is tailing them. Robotnik's ship is hurled off a plateau by a violent wind, and the Knothole gang mistakenly believe he is finished. Will they make the same mistake at the end of the second season? Sub-Sonic Writer: Barbara Slade Sonic discovers a stream of water that makes plants grow at a fantastic rate. In their search for the source, the Knothole gang discover a subterranean creature whose habitat has been disturbed by Robotnik's drilling operations. Heads or Tails Writer: Len Janson On a raid of Robotropolis, Sonic runs into Muttski, his now- roboticized pet dog and vows to return him to normal someday. The freedom fighters also have to contend with a squadron of Buzzbombers carrying an orange defoliant [Agent Orange? Hmmmm...] intent on destroying the Great Forest and exposing Knothole. Artwork in this ep is decidedly off-model. Sonic Past Cool Writers: Kayte Kuch & Sheryl Scarborough Tails finds a baby terrapod and the freedom fighters escort the terrapod herd to Boulder Bay, where they will be safe from Robotnik. Sonic Racer Writer: Len Janson While on a mission to disable Robotnik's power generators, Sonic is tempted into participating in a contest against a super-fast robot designed to capture him. While he engages the bot, Bunnie, Sally and Antoine go after their target: Robotnik's back-up generator. 2. Second Season: 1994-95 Game Guy Sonic rescues someone from capture by Robotnik; he turns out to be Ari, a freedom fighter from another group. Ari directs Sonic to a place which turns out to be a trap. Sonic manages to escape (after Robotnik toys with him), but Ari--whose comrades were roboticized and who was himself deceived by Robotnik--is sucked into the Void. Before falling into the Void, Ari says something about a list of other freedom fighters. Sonic Conversion To my way of thinking, THE breakthrough episode for the series! The Knothole gang test a deroboticizing process on Bunnie, whose partial3 3.99 ROLE PLAY Sonic Adventure Gamebook Vol. Bk. 4 The Zone-Zapper 04/1994 Author: Nigel Gross & Jon Suitherland Tradess. However, the process turns out to be only temporary as, in a poignant scene, Bunnie reverts to a half-robot. When Uncle Chuck reverts to robotic form, he captures Tails and Antoine for delivery to Robotnik; Sonic confronts him and manages to break the hold on Uncle Chuck's mind. Uncle Chuck returns to Robotropolis to work as a spy for the Knothole gang. No Brainer Sonic's thought processes are temporarily scrambled while on a mission in Robotropolis. Taking advantage of the situation, Snively convinces Sonic that they are friends. The disruption wears off just as the Knothole gang face imminent capture. Blast to the Past (two parts) Dulcy takes Sonic and Sally to a floating island where they use the Time Stones to return to Mobotropolis on the eve of the planet's conquest by Dr. Robotnik (then known as Julian, affiliated with the War Ministry and supposedly in charge of its dismantling). They also encounter themselves as 5-year-olds and learn that it was Sonic's Uncle Chuck who had perfected the roboticizer process in the first place, though Julian/Robotnik stole the process. Sally and Sonic work to keep their child selves from being roboticized, to prevent the Great Forest from being destroyed, and to make sure that Sally's nanny, Rosie, would not get captured. Fed Up With Antoine/Ghost Busted (back to back episodes) Feeling unappreciated, Antoine allows himself to be made "king" by a group of renegades, unaware that with the office comes the "honor" of being an entree./While out camping, Sonic's ghost story panics Tails, and Antoine once more demonstrates his ineptitude. Dulcy Dulcy begins having overpowering urges to fly to Dragonsnest, a nesting site for female dragons. She, Sonic and Sally, arrive just as Robotnik has captured another female dragon; they then discover the dragon's egg inside Dragonsnest. Taking the egg back to Knothole, they rescue the female dragon who returns in time to hatch the egg. The Void Sonic discovers an opening to the Void while out in the "Great Unknown" [another name for the Forbidden Zone?]. Sally and Bunnie are put under a spell and pulled into the Void by a sorcerer named Naugus, who had been imprisoned there years before by Robotnik and who needs Sonic's speed to escape. Sonic learns what has happened from Nicole and allows himself to be pulled into the Void. Attempting to rescue Sally and Bunnie, he is tricked into rescuing what he thinks is Sally's father but is really Naugus. Sonic returns to the Void and finds not only Sally and Bunnie but the King and Ari as well. He brings them all out, but Naugus and the King have spent so much time in the Void that their bodies cannot handle living on Mobius. Naugus breaks off his tormenting of Robotnik, and Sally's father gives her the list of other resistance groups. Sally goes through the emotional rollercoaster ride of her life. The Odd Couple/Ro-Becca (back to back episodes) After a crash landing by Dulcy leaves Sonic homeless he moves in with Antoine, who predictably gets bent out of shape by Sonic's lifestyle./Rotor cobbles together a robot which develops the hots for Antoine. Cry of the Wolf The Knothole freedom fighters search for and discover the Wolf Pack, the remnants of an ancient race who are now one of the other resistance groups. After several unsuccessful attempts to destroy a test pod from the Doomsday Project, Sonic draws it into a lightning storm and destroys it. Drood Henge Sonic and Tails discover an archaeological dig by Robotnik; they learn from Nicole that the object of the search is the Deep Power Stones, and that Robotnik has recovered one of the two. Tails comes up with a plan to retrieve the second stone before Robotnik can get to it. Spyhog On the eve of final preparations of the Doomsday project, Robotnik begins to suspect that there is a spy in his midst. Uncle Chuck's cover is blown, but he escapes capture and goes back underground with a different cover. Doomsday In the season finale, a combined force of the five freedom fighter groups tries to destroy the Doomsday project. Robotnik, however, seems to have too many safeguards built in. As a last resort, Sonic and Sally use the Deep Power Stones. The Doomsday project is destroyed; Robotnik's fate is uncertain but Snively is ready to step into his shoes in a burst of megalomania and overacting. Cliffhanger: who or what does Snively have to help him? We'll never know: ABC chose not to run StH for a third season (see FAQ #9). VOICE CREDITS: SONIC: Jaleel White SALLY: Kath Soucie NICOLE: Kath Soucie (uncredited) TAILS: Bradley Pierce BUNNIE: Christine Cavanaugh ANTOINE: Rob Paulsen ROTOR: Mark Ballou (1st season) Cam Brainard (2d season) DULCY: Cree Summer Franks UNCLE CHUCK: William Windom ROBOTNIK: Jim Cummings SNIVELY: Charlie Adler ADDITIONAL VOICES: (First season): David Doyle Gaille Heindenmann Dana Hill Danny Mann Jason Marsden Charlie Schlatter Frank Welker (Second season): Shari Belafonte: Lupee (?) Michael Bell: Naugus (?) Crystal Cooke Tim Curry: Sally's father; Keeper of the Time Stones Dave Fennoy Dorian Harewood John Kassir Katie Leigh Nancy Linari Victor Love Tahj Mowry Hal Rayle Alaina Reed Hall Lindsay Ridgeway April Winchell Want to contact DiC? Write or phone: DiC 303 North Glenoaks Blvd. Burbank, CA 91502 (818) 955-5400 (818) 955-5696 (FAX) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 13:47:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15110 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:42 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15105 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:25 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22509; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:21 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA02289; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9507241644.AA02289@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 1/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:44:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ - //|\__/ \\ ___- \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ ascii Sonic by Han J. Lee |====================== THE SONIC FAQ FILE =====================| July 21, 1995 edition Compiled by: Daniel J. Drazen Contributors: Chris Baird, Ron Bauerle, Brad Clark, James Firmiss, Maureen Furniss, John W. Johnston, Craig Moore, Michiyo Nakajima, Paula O'Keefe, Eric E. Pearson, Jeff Pegnato, David Pistone, Alessandro Sanasi, Erich Schulman, Fred Sloniker, Andy White, Shawn Wolski Address all comments, corrections, contributions and flames to: drazen@andrews.edu ***************************************************************** WHAT'S NEW?: [Note: There WILL be spoilers. You have been warned. DJD] A tip of the ol' freedom fighters' fedora to JOHN W. JOHNSTON for supplying summaries for issues 1-15 plus 17: #1 "Meet Me At The Corner of Hedgehog and Vine!" Story: M. Gallagher; art: D. Manak One of Robotnik's SWATbots develops a mechanical plant called "Krudzu" and modifies a Burrobot to plant its seeds in the Great Forest. Antoine, depressed because Sally only pays attention to Sonic, decides to get her a bouquet of flowers. He gets caught by the Krudzu, Sonic saves him, and they discover that the Krudzu is not waterproof. "You Bet My Life!" Gallagher/Manak Boomer/Rotor discovers that Robotnik is making a big presentation in the Casino Night Zone. Sonic crashes the party, only to be subdued by Robotnik's newest baddie: Orbinaut. He is put in a giant pinball machine and sent through a very rough ride. When he escapes from the pinball machine, Sonic blows up the casino and puts Robotnik into orbit. [Notes: Apparently the casino was rebuilt for "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." (#16); the pinball (Spinball?) plot was used to better effect later on in the "Game Guy" episode of the TV series; Rotor was still being called "Boomer" at this time. DJD] #2 "Triple Trouble" Gallagher/Manak Robotnik sends his newest badnik, Coconuts, after Sonic and Tails. When they send Coconuts' parts back COD, Robotnik sends two more badniks, Scratch and Grounder, after Sonic. [No, this has no relation to the Game Gear game. It does, however, set up the characters from the syndicated TV series. DJD] "Vertigo A Go Go!" Gallagher/Manak Sonic is out collecting rings when he warps into an extremely warped zone where he meets two friends, Al and Cal. "All The Mail's About Tails" Gallagher (rewrite)/Manak Sonic and Tails read letters from fans who expressed their opinions about how Tails got his two tails. One theory was: one of Tails' ancestors was owned by Charles Dickens (A Tails of Two Cities). Another theory was that Tails was a mutant (and couldn't get a job with the X-Men). Another theory says he was a loss leader at a carnival freak show. Another theory says he was one of Dr. Frankenstein's creations. Another theory says that Tails has Antoine's tail (and hair). And another theory involved something dealing with evolution. [C.f. FAQ File question #1 on the subject] #3 "The Bomb Bugs Me" Gallagher/Manak Sonic informs Sally and Boomer/Rotor that Robotnik has "the bomb." To trick Robotnik, they project a picket line on a wall outside his office. Boomer/Rotor disguises himself as Robotnik to trick Crabmeat into giving "the bomb" to the freedom fighters, but this plan backfires when Robotnik shows up dressed in a Boomer suit. "Rabbit Deployment" Gallagher/Manak Sonic and Boomer/Rotor travel to the Southern Section of Mobius (Sonic pulling Boomer who wears inline skates). They come across two SWATbots who have thrown a captured rabbit into a portable roboticizer. They are delayed in rescuing her because they are "tied up." They finally shut down the roboticizer and take it and the half rabbit-half robot with them. When she recovers, she gives her name as Bunnie Rabbot and demonstrates her abilities. Meanwhile the forest above Knothole is being trashed by a giant burrobot. When Sonic gets zapped, Bunnie picks up the burrobot and throws it 50 meters. Sonic then traps the burrobot by burying it. [This represents the first attempt to explain the origins of Bunnie. Since then, both fanfic and professional efforts -- Teitelbaum's second book: Robotnik's Revenge -- have covered the same ground. The situation is complicated by the fact that Bunnie appears as one of the children in "Blast to the Past" and so wouldn't be a stranger to the Knothole Gang. In fact, BttP, part 2 featured a tease of Bunnie about to be roboticized as a child. Note also that Knothole is still an underground base at this time. DJD] #4 "The Lizard of Odd!" Gallagher/Manak Due to a roboticizer mishap caused by Buzzbomber, Robotnik turns a small salamander into his most powerful badnik [No, it's not Newt Gingrich! DJD]: Universalamander. When Sonic tries to attack him, Universalamander eats Sonic. Sonic escapes by making "Lizard Lips" belch. To defeat him, Sonic transforms into Super Sonic, gets an important component from the confiscated roboticizer [see above, "Rabbit Deployment"], and cuts Universalamander down to size. "Tails' Little Tale" Gallagher/Manak While Sonic rests after defeating Universalamander, Tails embarks on his first solo adventure. Unaware of Tails, Robotnik is in the middle of a company picnic. [You're right, it DOES sound lame! DJD] Tails get plucked by Buzzbomber and Orbinaut, but defeats both of them. Tails gets overconfident and is captured by two SWATbots making shadow-puppets. When they try to roboticize him, Sonic saves Tails. #5 "Olympic Trials and Errors" Story: Angelo Decasare [debut]; Art: Manak Robotnik challenges the freedom fighters to compete in Olympic games. If they win even one event, Robotnik "promises" to restore Mobius; if they lose, they'll be turned into robots. Before the competition, a SWATbot switches Sonic's sneakers with energy-draining shoes. When Sonic drops on the track, the other freedom fighters (except for Tails) take his place. While Tails is looking for materials to make a Sonic sculpture, he finds Sonic's real sneakers and returns them to him. [The synopsis ends here; presumably, Sonic wins, Robotnik renegs, and it's back to business as usual. The linkage between Tails and sculpture was repeated in "That's The Spirit" (#20). DJD] "Chomp on This, Chump!" Decesare/Manak While Sonic and Tails help Sally deal with a batch of extra- thick pancake batter, Boomer/Rotor decides to buy a mail-order ant farm. What Boomer/Rotor doesn't know is that the farm he receives came from Robotnik. Instead of ants, Boomer/Rotor receives a Termite-nator, a termite which eats wood and paper and which grows as it eats. Remembering Sally's pancake batter recipe, Sonic whips up a batch and fills a hollow log with it. Boomer/Rotor returns the ant farm to sender. [What is it with Rotor and ant farms? He also had one in "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" (#23). DJD] #6 "The Spin Doctor" Gallagher/Manak When the freedom fighters attack Robotnik's factory, they find that Robotnik has relocated to deep within Mount Mobius, an active volcano. Sonic enters the Veg-O-Matic Fortress where he is attacked by Rexxon and Scorpius. After defeating them, he runs into two allies, Hip and Hop, who warn him about the Ferrons. After Sonic trashes the Ferrons, he comes across a cell full of animals awaiting roboticization. Just as Sonic believes he is on Robotnik's trail, he is shot out of the volcano, only to be rescued by Tails. "Sonic's Christmas Carol" Decesare/Manak [The cast enacts You-Know-What by You-Know-Who -- if you DON'T, better take a refresher course in English Lit. Significant in that they finally get the issue of Rotor's name straightened out. DJD] #7 "Uncle Chuck's Treasure" Decesare/Manak When Rotor accidentally sends Tails through the roof (literally), they find an old treasure map belonging to Uncle Chuck. They believe the "treasure" may be an invention that will help them defeat Robotnik. According to the map, the treasure was buried in Mobius National Park; unfortunately, the park had since been destroyed by being turned into a toxic waste dump. When the freedom fighters find the spot, Robotnik attacks. Sonic fights back using the toxic wastes, but Robotnik snatches the treasure from them as soon as they dig it up. Robotnik discovers that the "treasure" is really Sonic's bronzed baby booties (try saying THAT 3 times fast ;-) ). "Sorceress in Distress" Decesare/Manak Sally dresses as a sorceress for the annual Fright Night party, but needs a staff to complete the outfit. She finds one in the Forest and (due to a string of coincidences) believes it to be real. Robotnik sees the "sorceress" and, unaware that it's Sally, drags her back to Robotropolis; object: matrimony! Sonic follows them. Robotnik wants to see a demonstration of the sorceress's "magic" and Sally obliges, with a little help from Sonic. #8 "Bot's All, Folks!" Gallagher/Manak When Crabmeat is caught reading Sonic the Hedgehog comics, Robotnik is inspired to build super-powered robots to attack Sonic. Sonic meets, and defeats, "Botman," "Wolvurkel" (a factory second sent by mistake), "Spawnmower," "Magbot--Freedom Fighter Fighter," "Captain Marbot" and "Mighty 'Bot." [Furries might have a hard time slogging through this story! "Wolvurkel" is apparently an amusing *homage* to Jaleel White, the voice of Sonic in both the SatAM and daily syndie series. DJD] "A Little Music Goes A Long Way" Gallagher/Manak Sonic finds an old guitar, and the rest of the freedom fighters decide to form a band. Robotnik hears the music and decides to put a stop to it with a shrink ray. While the Freedom Fighters rummage through the Mobius Music Hall, Robotnik and Snively shrink them. Robotnik uses a Pest Buster vacuum to suck up the shrunken Sonic, but before they can put him inside a mobile roboticizer the shrink ray wears off and the freedom fighters return to normal size. Before Robotnik's reinforcements can arrive, the freedom fighters use music to chase him out of the hall. #9 "Pseudo-Sonic!" Gallagher/Manak After a thorough analysis of Sonic's profile, Robotnik builds his ultimate evil robot, "Pseudo-Sonic." Meanwhile, Sonic is out picking flowers for Sally. Unfortunately, he comes in contact with some poison sumac and blows up like a balloon. The Pseudo-Sonic discovers Knothole and is about to reveal its location. Tails, dragging his tails on the ground, builds up a static electricity charge and shorts out Pseudo-Sonic. Sonic tries to get back to Knothole but is apprehended by Robotnik. Bunnie slam-dunks Robotnik and helps cure Sonic's rash. "What's the Point?" Decesare/Manak While looking for a birthday present for Sally, Sonic comes upon a Mobian needle bird with a broken wing. Sonic wants to give it as a present, but Sally reminds him of other animals the freedom fighters have brought back. Meanwhile the needle bird, dubbed Thorny, has eaten Sally's birthday cake. Sally goes off to replace the cake while Sonic goes to return Thorny to the Great Forest. Sally is caught by a mechanical tree; Sonic almost suffers the same fate, but is rescued by Thorny. Sonic then rescues Sally while Thorny goes after Robotnik (who, needless to say, was behind the mechanical trees). #10 "Revenge of the Nerbs!" Decesare/Manak While attempting to steal power from Robotropolis, the freedom fighters are caught in a force field. Before the "Robotropolis Good Neighbor Society" can apprehend them, the freedom fighters escape thropugh a hole in the ground dug for them by a Nerb, part of an underground-dwelling race. The king of the Nerbs maintains that contact with surface-dwellers is bad news, but their air vents and water supply are being threatened by construction activity aboveground. On their way to the surface, they move from a Nerb tunnel to a Mobian sewer pipe. They come up to find Robotnik doing some excavating to build an underground installation; they also find three Nerb prisoners. Sonic frees the Nerbs and directs Tails to escort them back underground; Sonic then opens a line to the Mobius River, flooding Robotnik's construction site. The freedom fighters are proclaimed Honorary Nerbs. "'Twan With The Wind" Story: Angelo Decesare/Art: Art Mawhinney [debut] The freedom fighters use Antoine's hot air balloon to scout out a suitable location for their picnic. Two Buzzbombers attack the balloon. Robotnik learns of the picnic and decides to crash it. While everyone else is having fun at the picnic, Antoine mopes about his balloon. But when Robotnik attacks, it's up to Antoine to patch up the balloon and come to the rescue. #11 "The Good, The Bad, And The Hedgehog" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders [debut]/Art: Manak The freedom fighters witness Robotnik dumping toxic waste into a river. Sonic tries taking a "short cut" via the Cosmic Interstate to get there, but winds up on an alternate Mobius where Robotnik is a benevolent person and Sonic is a leather-clad punk. After a round-the-world chase, Sonic captures the Antisonic (c.f., "When Hedgehogs Collide," #24) and the AntiRobotnik devises a way to undo the toxic spill cause by Robotnik. "Beat The Clock" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Wanting to get to the top slot of Robotnik's Top Ten Badnik List, Coconuts traps the freedom fighters. "Food For Thought, or, You Are What You Eat" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney After scarfing a ton of chili dogs as a midnight snack, Sonic dreams that everyone has turned into junk food: Sonic is a chili dog, Sally is an ice cream cone, Tails is an order of fries (regular), and they all confront Chef Ivo Robo-Burger. The fries get caught by Robo-Burger so chili dog goes to rescue him. But he slips on a banana peel and right before Tails gets deep-fried, Sonic wakes up. #12 "A Timely Arrival" Gallagher/Mawhinney Robotnik builds a time machine to get rid of Sonic by transporting him to the past. Sonic enters the trap and lands in prehistoric Mobius. There he meets Sonugh the Boghog, and the caveman Ivo Robughnik. Sonic also meets other prehistoric freedom fighters, but they're all afraid of the surface because it offers no cover [Sounds like they're still dealing with an underground Mobius. DJD]. Sonic finishes transplanting some hedges near the entrance when he is pulled back to his own time by the freedom fighters, who have confiscated the time machine. "Bold-Headed Eagle" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While avoiding Robotnik in the Mobius Mountains, Sonic comes across an old eagle, Cyril. He tells Sonic how his flock was roboticized and how he has lived in hiding. Sonic convinces him to risk flying, and he discovers that his flock still exists. Cyril returns the favor by rescuing Sonic when Robotnik attacks. "The Lynx Is A Jinx" Decesare/Mawhinney While on a rescue mission, Sonic comes across a lynx named Larry, a.k.a. Super Jinx. He proves this when the branch of a tree that he's sitting on gives way and injures some freedom fighters on the way down. The freedom fighters head back to Knothole to nurse their wounds and Sonic tries to find a hiding place for Larry. When Sonic and Larry learn that the freedom fighters have been captured, Larry is sent out to be captured by the SWATbots who, in turn, suffer various misfortunes. #13 "This Island Hedgehog" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Sonic and Tails discover a floating island, but their plane is shot down by a rocket as they approach. After landing and enduring some hazards, they meet Knuckles the Echidna. Thinking that they have come to steal the island's Chaos Emerald, he gives them a ten-minute head start before giving chase. Meanwhile, Robotnik, who planted the suggestion in Knuckles' mind, is stealing the Emerald himself. Knuckles discovers the theft and Sonic recovers the Emerald. "Space In Your Face" Decesare/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to launch a space-based weapon, RoboStorm. This device will not only turn living beings into robots, it will also jam all regular television broadcasts and replace them with infomercials. The freedom fighters learn of this and enter the ship. Robotnik appears, however, before they can do any damage to the systems, so they blast off with Robotnik in pursuit. They crash-land on the moon Muckery. Using the local materials (i.e., mush), they get the better of Robotnik. #14 "Tails' Taste of Power" Decesare/Mawhinney Tails eats a piece of fruit he finds growing in Rotor's greenhouse. This fruit, from the Mobian Tree of Wisdom, makes Tails into a super-genius. Sally and Bunnie are attacked by a giant Shredbot. Tails avoids the bot's blades in such a way that the bot self-destructs. He goes off to face Robotnik, just as the effects of the fruit begin to wear off. Sonic bluffs Robotnik with a medal which Tails gave himself earlier. "Do It Yourself Sonic" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Readers are invited to fill in the word balloons and color the panels on a page to create their own comic (apparently involving Robotnik interrupting Sonic and Tails on a fishing trip). Winners announced in issue #23. "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun!" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to capture Sally and Bunnie in a booby- trapped shopping mall. After they're caught, the girls accuse Robotnik of being a MCP; they then smash SWATbots and gift-wrap Robotnik. #15 "Rockin' The Bot!" Decesare/Manak While out running with lightning, Sonic spies a frog in trouble. For rescuing it, the frog gives Sonic three magic stones: a green one for super strength, a yellow one for leaping great distances, and a red one for elasticity. Since Sonic doesn't believe the frog, he gives the stones to Tails. Robotnik, in a Beetlebot, attack the freedom fighters while they're out testing an all-terrain vehicle. Robotnik throws a boulder at Sonic while he's holding the red stone; Sonic is flattened but resumes his shape. Sonic tries attacking the Beetlebot but (having forgotten which stone does what) he is holding the yellow stone -- he beats the Mobius high-jump record but accomplishes little else. Using the green stone, Sonic crafts a giant flyswatter. "What's The Big Idea?" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While Rotor works on a top secret project, the rest of the gang recall previous experiments that have gone awry. "Animal Magnetism" Decesare/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to use a giant Magnabot to capture Bunnie and use her as bait to get the other freedom fighters. During an outdoor barbeque, Bunnie (and everything else metal) is suddenly pulled away. Sonic hitches a ride to the Magnabot by grabbing a metal garbage can lid. Sonic then tricks Robotnik into increasing the power and Snively into pointing the Magnabot toward Robotropolis. Rotor coats Bunnie's robotic parts with an anti-magnetism compound to keep it from happening again. #17 "Gorilla Warfare, or, The Apes of Wrath" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Robotnik travels to Skoal Island and finds one of his original bots: King Gong, a ten-foot tall, 800 lb. gorilla. He sends the big ape to Mobotropolis to attack Sonic. King Gong breaks up a freedom fighters' picnic, but loses interest in Sonic when he sees Sally. With Sally in his grasp, he climbs to the top of a minimall to watch the sunset. The Sonic Spin has no effect on King Gong, so it's on to Plan B: while Tails flies up to rescue Sally, Sonic and Antoine hose him down with banana oil. King Gong slips and falls on top of Robotnik. "First Star I See Tonight: Sally's Crusade, part 1" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While reminiscing about life as a little girl before Robotnik's takeover, Sally sees something fall from the sky. It turns out to be a shiny metal orb. To be continued. **************************************************************** I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS C. OTHER SOURCES I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ============================= Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. Q5: "Sally Acorn?" Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? Q7: What happened with the Princess Sally miniseries? Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? ================================================================ Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? A: The writers of Sonic comics solicited reader responses to this question; the replies were printed in issue #2 ("All The Mail's About Tails!"). Theories range from transplantation to mutation. The latest entry is in the Sonicgram of #22. They state that Tails just happened to be born that way--with no other comment (thus illustrating the difference between an Explanation and an Answer). At this point, there is no "official" explanation as to how Tails got that way, so you're pretty much free to believe what you like. Personally, I prefer the theory that it is a mutation, induced by Robotnik's pollution of Mobius. This would accord with the fact that Tails had not been born when Robotnik took over (cf. Q6). Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? A: No, his real name is "Miles Prower" (you have to say it sorta fast to get the joke). That was his name when he was introduced on the front screen of the Sonic 2 video game. Tails was given as his nickname, and it stuck. Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. A:This argument has been put forward by the "Sally is a fox" camp (see below). However, if that were true, then he'd also be related to Bunnie, as he's been known to address her as "Aunt Bunnie." For that matter, it seems that everyone in the Knothole gang refers to Sir Charles Hedgehog as "Uncle Chuck," though he's technically only uncle to Sonic. While it was not explicitly stated in either the comics or in the cartoons, it has to be kept in mind that all of the freedom fighters' families were disrupted by Robotnik's takeover of Mobius. It's safe to assume that they all have had relatives who have ended up being roboticized. As a result, they have become not so much a paramilitary resistance group as a loose-knit family. Sonic, for instance, clearly relates to Tails as if the latter was his little brother, the difference in species notwithstanding. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. A: Admittedly, it's trickier to spot some species in the series than others. Herewith is the list: Sonic and Sir Charles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .hedgehogs Bunnie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rabbit Tails. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Rotor. . . . . . . . . . . . . .walrus (sea lion, cf. Teitelbaum) Antoine D'Coolette . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Sally Acorn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ground squirrel/chipmunk Sally's father . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox The identification of Sally as a ground squirrel is based on extended discussion of the topic on Internet {alt.fan.furry and rec.arts.animation). She was also declared to be a ground squirrel in the comics, most recently in the Sonicgram of Sonic #19. As for the designation "ground squirrel/chipmunk", which has been questioned by at least one correspondent, I entered it this way on the assumption that the two terms were synonymous. I have consulted a dictionary, which states that the term "ground squirrel" applies to several kinds of rodents, including the chipmunk genus _Tamias_. Given the present ambiguity, the designation will remain as is. Despite this, controversy continues. Identifying Sally's species has been particularly vexing to some fans, especially those who reason that since Sally's father is clearly a fox, then she must be one herself. It is possible that Sally takes after her mother in this regard more than her father. Cross-species mating is a definite possibility, and an example is implied in the "flashforward" at the end of "Sally's Crusade" [Sonic: In Your Face #1]. At this point, the identification of Sally's nanny, Rosie, remains ambiguous. Given her buck teeth, she could be either a beaver or a woodchuck. Since she is always shown wearing a long cloak, I've been unable to spot the character beaver tail. Final identification is still pending. Q5: "Sally Acorn"? A: This is how she was identified as far back as the beginning of the comics [Sonic Miniseries, #0, Mar 1993]. Technically, royalty do not have surnames or family names in the accepted sense; rather, the title of the personage tends to serve the purpose. Her middle name, Alicia, is apparently seldom used (cf. "Blast to the Past," part 1). If you wanted to be grandiose about it, Sally's formal title would be: Sally Alicia, Princess of the House of Acorn. But in any event it's unlikely that Sally's formal title will come back into use so long as Robotnik is in charge. Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? A: According to the TV series ["Blast to the Past: part 1"] Sonic and Sally were both 5 years old when Sally's father was overthrown and Robotnik took over. Two other age clues were given in the "Drood Henge" episode: that Tails was 10 years old, and that Sally wouldn't "come of age" for another two years. At one point, Sally's age is explicitly given as being 16, though the comics reportedly put both Sally and Sonic at age 15. Subtracting 5 from 16 leaves the number of years Robotnik has been in charge: 11. Thus, it would appear that Tails was born after the fall of the House of Acorn. Still, the simplest way out of this dilemma would be to put the age of majority on Mobius at 17 instead of 18; that would eliminate the extra year differential without altering the stated ages of Sonic and Sally (in the comics) or of Tails (in "Drood Henge"). Q7: What happened with the Princess Sally miniseries? A: Archie Comics was supposed to roll out a three-part miniseries starring Sally as the main character, but its introduction was delayed--a situation acknowledged in the SonicGram of #21. The story actually began with "Deadliest of the Species" in Sonic #20. The cover art for the miniseries, however, differed in subsequent advertisements: one cover for the first issue prominently featured Geoffrey St. John, while another did not. The third issue cover either does or doesn't feature Sally doing battle with a clone of herself, depending upon where you see it. Two different versions of the cover for #2 appeared in Sonic #22. The fact that the Sally creative team PLUS Archie Comics PLUS Sega reportedly came together to discuss "improving" the series (as reported in Sonic #21 -- hence the delay) would seem to indicate that someone had come down with a case of "creative differences." In any event, the "improved" Sally miniseries began shipping the week of Feb 13, after a slight delay. Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? A: How, in other words, is Sonic able to run so fast? Apparently the same way you get to Carnegie Hall in the old joke: practice. I'm serious; here is the only print explanation I've come across so far: "Years ago, when things were right on Mobius, there lived a hedgehog named Sonic.... Sonic was only interested in running as fast as he could. Every day he practiced." [Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_. Mahwah, NJ: Troll, 1993, pp.7- 8]. And that's the extent of Teitelbaum's explanation. Thanks a heap, Mike! Chris Baird may be onto something, and it looks like he wants to force the issue by asking Archie Comics about "The rumor going around the Internet that [Sonic] got his speed from falling into a vat of power rings when he was a baby." Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: There are now three answers to this question -- one appears to be definitive, but the other two are more fun. Believe what you like: 1) ABC got clobbered in the SatAM ratings of the November sweeps because the show was up against the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox. Despite the fact that ABC shifted Sonic to an earlier time slot (doing so without warning just before the first airing of the "Doomsday" episode), Fox jazzed with its schedule so that MMPR was once more up against Sonic. This 1-2 punch was enough to do it. Source for this item: someone from within the offices of Archie Comics, as posted to alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. 2) DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. 3) ABC's kidvid programming has lately been adhering to a policy of "two seasons and out" for shows. Though it's possible that some ideas only last two seasons because they're kinda bankrupt to begin with. ================================================================= From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 13:48:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15146 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:45:42 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15140 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:45:22 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22543; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:45:19 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA02353; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:45:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9507241645.AA02353@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 3/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:45:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS [CONTRIBUTIONS WELCOME] Now, direct from the Great White North, Brad Clark summarizes the original four-part Sonic miniseries: Issue 0 "Don't Cry For Me, Mobius" Story: Michael Gallagher, Art: Scott Shaw! Sonic is chased by Dr. Robotnik. After the chase, which Robotnik loses, Sonic returns to Knothole where most of the main characters are introduced for the first time. (Note: Rotor is referred to as "Boomer.") Antoine then announces that there is a leak in Knothole (Knothole is located underground in this issue) that is caused by Robotnik. Sonic defeats Robotnik with a power ring. "The Royal Family of Mobius" Gallagher/Shaw! Takes place before Robotnik was in power and has Sonic and Uncle Chuck running a chilidog take-out stand. Robotnik destroys the stand and captures Muttski and Uncle Chuck. Sonic meets Sally (with yellow hair and red fur) who introduces him to the rest of the freedom fighters in Knothole. Issue 1 "Run, Sally, Run" Gallagher/Shaw! Sally [this time with pink fur and black hair] goes to see Robotnik about the return of her father. Robotnik captures Sally and almost throws her into the "Robo-machine." Sonic rescues Sally only to discover that Sally had wanted to get caught in order to gather information on the roboticizer, using some special boots designed by Boomer/Rotor. Issue 2 "A Crowning Achievement" Gallagher/Shaw! Sally decides to wear the "Crown of the Acorn Kings" which belonged to her father, but the crown is missing. They discover a robotic freedom fighter who tells them that Robotnik has stolen the crown and has scattered its jewels (the four Chaos Emeralds) throughout the land. Sonic retrieves the emeralds and Boomer/Rotor repairs the crown. Issue 3 "Sonic Flashback" Gallagher & Shaw! Sonic and Robotnik recall when they were kids. Uncle Chuck invents the power rings. Sonic and Robotnik have an argument, and it escalates until Robotnik is constructing mechanical monsters out of Uncle Chuck's appliances. Sonic then wakes up -- it was all just a daydream -- and resumes being chased by Robotnik. "Why Ask Spy" Sonic is made to look like a robot to trick Robotnik and to destroy one of his factories. In the process, Sonic discovers Uncle Chuck and Muttski who have both been roboticized. Sonic destroys the factory. And a tip of the ol' freedom fighters' fedora to JOHN W. JOHNSTON for supplying summaries for issues 1-15 plus 17: #1 [Aug 1993] "Meet Me At The Corner of Hedgehog and Vine!" Story: M. Gallagher; art: D. Manak One of Robotnik's SWATbots develops a mechanical plant called "Krudzu" and modifies a Burrobot to plant its seeds in the Great Forest. Antoine, depressed because Sally only pays attention to Sonic, decides to get her a bouquet of flowers. He gets caught by the Krudzu, Sonic saves him, and they discover that the Krudzu is not waterproof. "You Bet My Life!" Gallagher & Manak Boomer/Rotor discovers that Robotnik is making a big presentation in the Casino Night Zone. Sonic crashes the party, only to be subdued by Robotnik's newest baddie: Orbinaut. He is put in a giant pinball machine and sent through a very rough ride. When he escapes from the pinball machine, Sonic blows up the casino and puts Robotnik into orbit. [Notes: Apparently the casino was rebuilt for "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." (#16); the pinball (Spinball?) plot was used to better effect later on in the "Game Guy" episode of the TV series; Rotor was still being called "Boomer" at this time. DJD] #2 [Sep 1993] "Triple Trouble" Gallagher/Manak Robotnik sends his newest badnik, Coconuts, after Sonic and Tails. When they send Coconuts' parts back COD, Robotnik sends two more badniks, Scratch and Grounder, after Sonic. [No, this has no relation to the Game Gear game. It does, however, set up the characters from the syndicated TV series. DJD] "Vertigo A Go Go!" Gallagher/Manak Sonic is out collecting rings when he warps into an extremely warped zone where he meets two friends, Al and Cal. "All The Mail's About Tails" Gallagher (rewrite)/Manak Sonic and Tails read letters from fans who express their opinions about how Tails got his two tails. One theory was: one of Tails' ancestors was owned by Charles Dickens (A Tails of Two Cities). Another theory was that Tails was a mutant (and couldn't get a job with the X-Men). Another theory says he was a loss leader at a carnival freak show. Another theory says he was one of Dr. Frankenstein's creations. Another theory says that Tails has Antoine's tail (and hair). And another theory involved something dealing with evolution. #3 [Oct 1993] "The Bomb Bugs Me" Gallagher/Manak Sonic informs Sally and Boomer/Rotor that Robotnik has "the bomb." To trick Robotnik, they project a picket line on a wall outside his office. Boomer/Rotor disguises himself as Robotnik to trick Crabmeat into giving "the bomb" to the freedom fighters, but this plan backfires when Robotnik shows up dressed in a Boomer suit. "Rabbit Deployment" Gallagher/Manak Sonic and Boomer/Rotor travel to the Southern Section of Mobius (Sonic pulling Boomer who wears inline skates). They come across two SWATbots who have thrown a captured rabbit into a portable roboticizer. They are delayed in rescuing her because they are "tied up." They finally shut down the roboticizer and take it and the half rabbit-half robot with them. When she recovers, she gives her name as Bunnie Rabbot and demonstrates her abilities. Meanwhile the forest above Knothole is being trashed by a giant burrobot. When Sonic gets zapped, Bunnie picks up the burrobot and throws it 50 meters. Sonic then traps the burrobot by burying it. [This represents the first attempt to explain the origins of Bunnie. Since then, both fanfic and professional efforts -- Teitelbaum's second book: Robotnik's Revenge -- have covered the same ground. The situation is complicated by the fact that Bunnie appears as one of the children in Blast to the Past, and so wouldn't be a stranger to the Knothole Gang. In fact, BttP, part 2 featured a tease of Bunnie about to be roboticized as a child. Note also that Knothole is still an underground base at this time. DJD] #4 [Nov 1993] "The Lizard of Odd!" Gallagher/Manak Due to a roboticizer mishap caused by Buzzbomber, Robotnik turns a small salamander into his most powerful badnik [No, it's not Newt Gingrich! DJD]: Universalamander. When Sonic tries to attack him, Universalamander eats Sonic. Sonic escapes by making "Lizard Lips" belch. To defeat him, Sonic transforms into Super Sonic, gets an important component from the confiscated roboticizer [see above, "Rabbit Deployment"], and cuts Universalamander down to size. "Tails' Little Tale" Gallagher/Manak While Sonic rests after defeating Universalamander, Tails embarks on his first solo adventure. Unaware of Tails, Robotnik is in the middle of a company picnic. [You're right, it DOES sound lame! DJD] Tails get plucked by Buzzbomber and Orbinaut, but defeats both of them. Tails gets overconfident and is captured by two SWATbots making shadow-puppets. When they try to roboticize him, Sonic saves Tails. #5 [Dec 1993] "Olympic Trials and Errors" Story: Angelo Decasare [debut]; Art: Manak Robotnik challenges the freedom fighters to compete in Olympic games. If they win even one event, Robotnik "promises" to restore Mobius; if they lose, they'll be turned into robots. Before the competition, a SWATbot switches Sonic's sneakers with energy-draining shoes. When Sonic drops on the track, the other freedom fighters (except for Tails) take his place. While Tails is looking for materials to make a Sonic sculpture, he finds Sonic's real sneakers and returns them to him. [The synopsis ends here; presumably, Sonic wins, Robotnik renegs, and it's back to usiness as usual. The linkage between Tails and sculpture was repeated in "That's The Spirit" (#20). DJD] "Chomp on This, Chump!" Decesare/Manak While Sonic and Tails help Sally deal with a batch of extra- thick pancake batter, Boomer/Rotor decides to buy a mail-order ant farm. What Boomer/Rotor doesn't know is that the farm he receives came from Robotnik. Instead of ants, Boomer/Rotor receives a Termite-nator, a termite which eats wood and paper and which grows as it eats. Remembering Sally's pancake batter recipe, Sonic whips up a batch and fills a hollow log with it. Boomer/Rotor returns the ant farm to sender. [What is it with Rotor and ant farms? He also had one in "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" (#23). DJD] #6 [Jan 1994] "The Spin Doctor" Gallagher/Manak When the freedom fighters attack Robotnik's factory, they find that Robotnik has relocated to deep within Mount Mobius, an active volcano. Sonic enters the Veg-O-Matic Fortress where he is attacked by Rexxon and Scorpius. After defeating them, he runs into two allies, Hip and Hop, who warn him about the Ferrons. After Sonic trashes the Ferrons, he comes across a cell full of animals awaiting roboticization. Just as Sonic believes he is on Robotnik's trail, he is shot out of the volcano, only to be rescued by Tails. "Sonic's Christmas Carol" Decesare/Manak [The cast enacts You-Know-What by You-Know-Who -- if you DON'T, better take a refresher course in English Lit. Significant in that they finally get the issue of Rotor's name straightened out. DJD] #7 [Feb 1994] "Uncle Chuck's Treasure" Decesare/Manak When Rotor accidentally sends Tails through the roof (literally), they find an old treasure map belonging to Uncle Chuck. They believe the "treasure" may be an invention that will help them defeat Robotnik. According to the map, the treasure was buried in Mobius National Park; unfortunately, the park had since been destroyed by being turned into a toxic waste dump. When the freedom fighters find the spot, Robotnik attacks. Sonic fights back using the toxic wastes, but Robotnik snatches the treasure from them as soon as they dig it up. Robotnik discovers that the "treasure" is really Sonic's bronzed baby booties (try saying THAT 3 times fast ;-) ). "Sorceress in Distress" Decesare/Manak Sally dresses as a sorceress for the annual Fright Night party, but needs a staff to complete the outfit. She finds one in the Forest and (due to a string of coincidences) believes it to be real. Robotnik sees the "sorceress" and, unaware that it's Sally, drags her back to Robotropolis; object: matrimony! Sonic follows them. Robotnik wants to see a demonstration of the sorceress's "magic" and Sally obliges, with a little help from Sonic. #8 [Mar 1994] "Bot's All, Folks!" Gallagher/Manak When Crabmeat is caught reading Sonic the Hedgehog comics, Robotnik is inspired to build super-powered robots to attack Sonic. Sonic meets, and defeats, "Botman," "Wolvurkel" (a factory second sent by mistake), "Spawnmower," "Magbot--Freedom Fighter Fighter," "Captain Marbot" and "Mighty 'Bot." [Furries might have a hard time slogging through this story! "Wolvurkel" is apparently an amusing *homage* to Jaleel White, the voice of Sonic in both the SatAM and daily syndie series. DJD] "A Little Music Goes A Long Way" Gallagher/Manak Sonic finds an old guitar, and the rest of the freedom fighters decide to form a band. Robotnik hears the music and decides to put a stop to it with a shrink ray. While the Freedom Fighters rummage through the Mobius Music Hall, Robotnik and Snively shrink them. Robotnik uses a Pest Buster vacuum to suck up the shrunken Sonic, but before they can put him inside a mobile roboticizer the shrink ray wears off and the freedom fighters return to normal size. Before Robotnik's reinforcements can arrive, the freedom fighters use music to chase him out of the hall. #9 [Apr 1994] "Pseudo-Sonic!" Gallagher/Manak After a thorough analysis of Sonic's profile, Robotnik builds his ultimate eil robot, "Pseudo-Sonic." Meanwhile, Sonic is out picking flowers for Sally. Unfortunately, he comes in contact with some poison sumac and blows up like a balloon. The Pseudo-Sonic discovers Knothole and is about to reveal its location. Tails, dragging his tails on the ground, builds up a static electricity charge and shorts out Pseudo-Sonic. Sonic tries to get back to Knothole but is apprehended by Robotnik. Bunnie slam-dunks Robotnik and helps cure Sonic's rash. "What's the Point?" Decesare/Manak While looking for a birthday present for Sally, Sonic comes upon a Mobian needl bird with a broken wing. Sonic wants to give it as a present, but Sally reminds him of other animals the freedom fighters have brought back. Meanwhile the needle bird, dubbed Thorny, has eaten Sally's birthday cake. Sally goes off to replace the cake while Sonic goes to return Thorny to the Great Forest. Sally is caught by a mechanical tree; Sonic almost suffers the same fate, but is rescued by Thorny. Sonic then rescues Sally while Thorny goes after Robotnik (who, needless to say, was behind the mechanical trees). #10 [May 1994] "Revenge of the Nerbs!" Decesare/Manak While attempting to steal power from Robotropolis, the freedom fighters are caught in a force field. Before the "Robotropolis Good Neighbor Society" can apprehend them, the freedom fighters escape thropugh a hole in the ground dug for them by a Nerb, part of an underground-dewlling race. The king of the Nerbs maintains that contact with surface-dwellers is bad news, but their air vents and water supply are being threatened by construction activity aboveground. On their way to the surface, they move from a Nerb tunnel to a Mobian sewer pipe. They come up to find Robotnik doing some excavating to build an underground installation; they also find three Nerb prisoners. Sonic frees the Nerbs and directs Tails to escort them back underground; Sonic then opens a line to the Mobius River, flooding Robotnik's construction site. The freedom fighters are proclaimed Honorary Nerbs. "'Twan With The Wind" Story: Angelo Decesare/Art: Art Mawhinney [debut] The freedom fighters use Antoine's hot air balloon to scout out a suitable location for their picnic. Two Buzzbombers attack the balloon. Robotnik learns of the picnic and decides to crash it. While everyone else is having fun at the picnic, Antoine mopes about his balloon. But when Robotnik attacks, it's up to Antoine to patch up the balloon and come to the rescue. #11 [Jun 1994] "The Good, The Bad, And The Hedgehog" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders [debut]/Art: Manak The freedom fighters witness Robotnik dumping toxic waste into a river. Sonic tries taking a "short cut" via the Cosmic Interstate to get there, but winds up on an alternate Mobius where Robotnik is a benevolent person and Sonic is a leather-clad punk. After a round-the-world chase, Sonic captures the Antisonic (c.f., "When Hedgehogs Collide," #24) and the AntiRobotnik devises a way to undo the toxic spill cause by Robotnik. "Beat The Clock" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Wanting to get to the top slot of Robotnik's Top Ten Badnik List, Coconuts traps the freedom fighters. "Food For Thought, or, You Are What You Eat" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney After scarfing a ton of chili dogs as a midnight snack, Sonic dreams that everyone has turned into junk food: Sonic is a chili dog, Sally is an ice cream cone, Tails is an order of fries (regular), and they all confront Chef Ivo Robo-Burger. The fries get caught by Robo-Burger so chili dog goes to rescue him. But he slips on a banana peel and right before Tails gets deep-fried, Sonic wakes up. #12 [Jul 1994] "A Timely Arrival" Gallagher/Mawhinney Robotnik builds a time machine to get rid of Sonic by transporting him to the past. Sonic enters the trap and lands in prehistoric Mobius. There he meets Sonugh the Boghog, and the caveman Ivo Robughnik. Sonic also meets other prehistoric freedom fighters, but they're all afraid of the surface because it offers no cover [Sounds like they're still dealing with an underground Mobius. DJD]. Sonic finishes transplanting some hedges near the entrance when he is pulled back to his own time by the freedom fighters, who have confiscated the time machine. "Bold-Headed Eagle" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While avoiding Robotnik in the Mobius Mountains, Sonic comes across an old eagle, Cyril. He tells Sonic how his flock was roboticized and how he has lived in hiding. Sonic convinces him to risk flying, and he discovers that his flock still exists. Cyril returns the favor by rescuing Sonic when Robotnik attacks. "The Lynx Is A Jinx" Decesare/Mawhinney While on a rescue mission, Sonic comes across a lynx named Larry, a.k.a. Super Jinx. He proves this when the branch of a tree that he's sitting on gives way and injures some freedom fighters on the way down. The freedom fighters head back to Knothole to nurse their wounds and Sonic tries to find a hiding place for Larry. When Sonic and Larry learn that the freedom fighters have been captured, Larry is sent out to be captured by the SWATbots who, in turn, suffer various misfortunes. #13 [Aug 1994] "This Island Hedgehog" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Sonic and Tails discover a floating island, but their plane is shot down by a rocket as they approach. After landing and enduring some hazards, they meet Knuckles the Echidna. Thinking that they have come to steal the island's Chaos Emerald, he gives them a ten-minute head start before giving chase. Meanwhile, Robotnik, who planted the suggestion in Knuckles' mind, is stealing the Emerald himself. Knuckles discovers the theft and Sonic recovers the Emerald. "Space In Your Face" Decesare/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to launch a space-based weapon, RoboStorm. This device will not only turn living beings into robots, it will also jam all regular television broadcasts and replace them with infomercials. The freedom fighters learn of this and enter the ship. Robotnik appears, however, before they can do any damage to the systems, so they blast off with Robotnik in pursuit. They crash-land on the moon Muckery. Using the local materials (i.e., mush), they get the better of Robotnik. #14 [Sep 1994] "Tails' Taste of Power" Decesare/Mawhinney Tails eats a piece of fruit he finds growing in Rotor's greenhouse. This fruit, from the Mobian Tree of Wisdom, makes Tails into a super-genius. Sally and Bunnie are attacked by a giant Shredbot. Tails avoids the bot's blades in such a way that the bot self-destructs. He goes off to face Robotnik, just as the effects of the fruit begin to wear off. Sonic bluffs Robotnik with a medal which Tails gave himself earlier. "Do It Yourself Sonic" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Readers are invited to fill in the word balloons and color the panels on a page to create their own comic (apparently involving Robotnik interrupting Sonic and Tails on a fishing trip). Winners announced in issue #23. "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun!" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to capture Sally and Bunnie in a booby- trapped shopping mall. After they're caught, the girls accuse Robotnik of being a MCP; they then smash SWATbots and gift-wrap Robotnik. #15 [Oct 1994] "Rockin' The Bot!" Decesare/Manak While out running with lightning, Sonic spies a frog in trouble. For rescuing it, the frog gives Sonic three magic stones: a green one for super strength, a yellow one for leaping great distances, and a red one for elasticity. Since Sonic doesn't believe the frog, he gives the stones to Tails. Robotnik, in a Beetlebot, attack the freedom fighters while they're out testing an all-terrain vehicle. Robotnik throws a boulder at Sonic while he's holding the red stone; Sonic is flattened but resumes his shape. Sonic tries attacking the Beetlebot but (having forgotten which stone does what) he is holding the yellow stone -- he beats the Mobius high-jump record but accomplishes little else. Using the green stone, Sonic crafts a giant flyswatter. "What's The Big Idea?" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While Rotor works on a top secret project, the rest of the gang recall previous experiments that have gone awry. "Animal Magnetism" Decesare/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to use a giant Magnabot to capture Bunnie and use her as bait to get the other freedom fighters. During an outdoor barbeque, Bunnie (and everything else metal) is suddenly pulled away. Sonic hitches a ride to the Magnabot by grabbing a metal garbage can lid. Sonic then tricks Robotnik into increasing the power and Snively into pointing the Magnabot toward Robotropolis. Rotor coats Bunnie's robotic parts with an anti-magnetism compound to keep it from happening again. #16 [Nov 1994] [Summary by Erich Schulman] "Sonic Under Glass" It appears that Sonic and Sally are tying the knot, having defeated Robotnik once and for all. In reality, Robotnik has lured the freedom fighters to a place called Sleepy Hollow. Once there, they were gassed, put into a sleep, and trapped inside a virtual reality glass dome. As all their fantasies have come true, nobody wants to escape. Uncle Chuck arrives and reveals to Sonic that he is embracing, not Sally, but a broom. Sonic hates to disappoint his friends, who are all so happy, but decides to get back at Robotnik. Sonic gets Robotnik's war machines to reverse course and attack the big guy, so Robotnik reluctantly kills the VR software. Sonic and Sally are reunited, and Sonic concludes that virtual reality is a nice place to visit, but.... "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." Robotnik comes to the conclusion that there is a spy in his midst, since so many of his missions have failed. Thinking that he has found his spy in a mole, he uses the Wheel of Misfortune to randomize his plans to destroy Mobius. On Robotnik's first spin, he lands on "undersea bank heist." Robotnik's lackey's find only an empty vault and the freedom fighters waiting for them. The same thing happens after two more spins. Robotnik finally thinks he has Sonic captured when Sonic and Sally visit Robotnik's casino [Boy, I hope this makes more sense in the comic! DJD], but Sonic narrowly escapes. Belatedly, Robotnik realizes that the Wheel itself was rigged. Sonic-Grams: Aside from now-obsolete announcements, it is stated that Sonic is 15; that Sally is a squirrel (not necessarily a ground squirrel); that Antoine was a donor so that Tails would be able to fly [Yeah, right!] (c.f. "The Mail's About Tails" (#2); that Sonic was just a little slow rescuing Bunnie from the roboticizer ("Rabbit Deployment," #3). On a more useful note, Archie Comics confesses that due to inadequate modelling information, their Sally was a different color from the SatAM version, a situation which has since been rectified. #17 [Dec 1994] "Gorilla Warfare, or, The Apes of Wrath" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Robotnik travels to Skoal Island and finds one of his original bots: King Gong, a ten-foot tall, 800 lb. gorilla. He sends the big ape to Mobotropolis to attack Sonic. King Gong breaks up a freedom fighters' picnic, but loses interest in Sonic when he sees Sally. With Sally in his grasp, he climbs to the top of a minimall to watch the sunset. The Sonic Spin has no effect on King Gong, so it's on to Plan B: while Tails flies up to rescue Sally, Sonic and Antoine hose him down with banana oil. King Gong slips and falls on top of Robotnik. "First Star I See Tonight: Sally's Crusade, part 1" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While reminiscing about life as a little girl before Robotnik's takeover, Sally sees something fall from the sky. It turns out to be a shiny metal orb. To be continued. #18 [Jan 1995]: "Wedding Bell Blues" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Robotnik gets word of Sonic and Sally's impending wedding and plans an attack. "In the Still of the Night" (Sally's Crusade, part 2) Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While trying to determine the nature of the mysterious orb (cf. "First Star....", #17), Sally is called to the bedside of her old mentor, Julayla, just before she dies. They never use the D- word, but it's an affecting story nevertheless. Sonicgram: includes statement that Sonic is 15, and a German fan disses Dave Manak's artwork Sonic: In Your Face #1 [1995] "Sally's Crusade: The Quest" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney The orb is revealed to be a casing surrounding Nicole. Sally, with the others in tow, searches for what turns out to be Julayla's last testament. The significance of this document is spelled out in a "flashforward" at the end of the story. "Mirror Zone" Story and art: Pat Spaziante [debut] An excuse to practice backwards lettering. Sonicgram: Sally's age is given as "about 15." [Note, if you're going to guess a lady's age, guess on the low side ;-) ] "Tails' Tallest Tale" Story and art: Scott Shaw! Tails substitutes for Sonic, putting in an appearance at a con. His exaggerations almost get him into trouble. The return of Shaw!. #19 [Feb 1995]: "Night of a Thousand Sonics" In order to defeat Robotnik's latest scheme, Sonic has to call in as many versions of himself from as many parallel universes as he can. Artwork by Manak for the first half, Mawhinney for the second. Sonicgram: The name of Sally's father is given as "King Acorn" (but see FAQ #5). Scott Fulop hedges on when Knuckles will make an appearance and whose side he'll be on. Again, Sally is identified as a "ground squirrel." Hint is dropped as to a Sonic motion picture in the works. #20 [Mar 1995]: "That's the Spirit" Exposure to an antimatter explosion renders Sonic invisible; Sally and the others [Tails being the exception] believe he is dead. The comedic pacing and Manak's artwork mar what otherwise might have been a very poignant story. Great line (Sonic to Robotnik--who thinks he's dealing with a ghost): "Give Mobius back to the freedom fighters, lose weight and get a hairpiece!" "Deadliest of the Species" [Prologue to the Princess Sally miniseries] While on a sabotage mission, Sally is confronted by someone claiming to be part of a rebel underground. Sonicgram: Once again lists Sally's age as 15. #21 [Apr 1995]: "3 Phases of E.V.E" /Spaziante Robotnik unleashes E.V.E. ["exceptionally versatile evolvoid"] to capture Sonic. As Sonic manages to outsmart E.V.E., it simply adapts to another form to compensate. Sonic lures it to Robotnik's headquarters where, assuming a self-conscious form, E.V.E. determines that it is being held back by its biological inheritance from Sonic and Robotnik [i.e., individual cells used in E.V.E.'s creation]. E.V.E. toasts Robotnik, but thanks to some quick thinking by Sonic--apparently, Sally's influence is rubbing off on him ;-) -- E.V.E. spares Sonic and travels out into space on a journey of self-actualization. Is Robotnik really history? That's the tease--stay tuned. Sonicgram: announcement of the delay in rolling out the Sally miniseries; another special issue (48pp) due out in May. Princess Sally Mini-series #1 [April 1995] Summary by Ron Bauerle "Deadliest of the Species!" written by Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders, art by Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski. Opens with a nice splash page summarizing the struggle so far and describes the main characters (get this: "Antoine is renouned for his military skills" - okayyyy...). Next it recaps Sally's meeting Geoffrey St. John...in StH #20. Sally & Geoffrey are attacked by SWATbots after destroying the facility and manage to beat them off [hey, Ron, let's leave their private lives out of this ;-) ] and exchange some banter in the process (I can't call it friendly but it's not really sarcastic either). They then head back to the camp where some young trainee freedom fighters are waiting for Sally. Geoffrey mistakes them for enemies and jumps a pig (Hamlin) but they're separated by Sally. This establishes some bad blood between Hamlin and Geoffrey that continues all issue. The team proceeds to its next target (an energy substation) and after battling SWATbots and ORBbots manage to destroy it. During the battle Geoffrey saves Hamlin's life but Hamlin still doesn't trust him. That night, when everyone else is asleep, Geoffrey slips away, activates a teleportal, enters some kind of building and descends to its basement where he speaks to a figure in a glass case: Sally!? Also some fan art: two pics of Sally & Bunnie (both NBD), and one of Sally as a dominatrix (!). #22 [May 1995] "The Return" Penders/Spaziante & Harvey M. The story opens with Sonic & Sally MCW (Married with Children; cf. the end of "Sally's Quest" in _In Your Face #1_). Sonic & Sally are out with the kids when, during a lightning storm, an apparition of Robotnik appears and just as suddenly disappears. Have your pencils and scorecards ready to try and follow the remainder of the plot: Robotnik is actually on a satellite talking with Robo-Robotnik from "Night of a Thousand Sonics," (#19), only in this case only the consciousness of Robo-Robotnik (hereinafter "R-R") remains resident. Robotnik convinces R-R to teleport him back to Mobius, where it turns out Snively has activated an alternative Doomesday device which would go off if Robotnik was ever defeated. Robotnik actually deactivates "Operation Wasteland" himself to keep from being ruler over nothing and to have the pleasure of saying to Sonic: "You owe me!" Robotnik and Sonic MWC are declared to be at a stalemate. What about R-R? Who knows? Muddled story saved by Spaziante artwork. "Tails Knighttime Story," Decesare/Manak & John Dagostino As Tails grumps about "get[ting] baby-sat" while Sonic has all the fun and adventures, Sally tells him a bedtime story wherein Sonic is Sir Runalot and Tails is his page who "borrows" his armour one day and who, mistaken for the aforementioned knight, ends up doing battle with Sir Knightmare of Robotannia (guess who?) until the real Sir Runalot saves his...er...tails. Sonicgram: the comics should get a FAQ File, since two letters pepper them with questions (most are answered: "Keep reading." Translation: "we're working on it!"). The cover of Princess Sally #2 in an ad on the same page differs from one which appears on p. 17 of the same issue(!), thus bolstering the "creative differences" theory in Q7. Princess Sally Miniseries #2 [May 1995] "Deadliest of the Species": Part 2 Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney (Summary by Erich Schulman): The story opens with a fight between St. John and Hamlin, and Sally gives Hamlin a scolding. To reach the third, undestroyed substation, the freedom fighters use a new (!?) technology: hang gliders. Arlo's hang glider is hit by the defenses and he is wounded in action; Penelope volunteers to stay with him. Once inside, Sally and St. John are attacked by an octopod, and everyone barely manages to escape the explosions. Upon leaving, they find that Arlo and Penelope are gone. Sally says they will return to camp without them (to which Hamlin is opposed). Did you have your doubts about St. John? That night, St. John replaces Sally with a lookalike robot and delivers the real Sally to Robotnik. Fan mail (singular; only one letter appears): Will Sonic and Sally marry? "Could be." Has Sally met Knuckles? She will in a forthcoming 48-page S&K special. Does Sally have a mother, and if so what does she look like? "Of course...her origin may yet be told." Or [shameless plug] you can read about it in "Bloodlines" in the fanfic section of Rotor's homepage. #23 [Jun 1995] "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" Decesare/Manak Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Tails, Robotnik and Snively are all captured by Car-Heem, a giant alien who wants to study them. In order to save Robotnik from "disposal," Sonic convinces Car-Heem that they are interdependent species, a novelty to the autonomous Car-Heem. Thanks to a diversion by Sonic, the others escape their confinement in a craft of Robotnik's design. Although Robotnik blows Car-Heem and Sonic out of Car-Heem's spacecraft's airlock, Rotor retrieves them. In gratitude, Car-Heem returns everyone to Mobius and Rotor, inspired, releases the inhabitants of his ant farm [Heavy Message]. There's also a really bad pun which I'm not going to reveal. Do-It-Yourself Sonic Contest winners announced. "Vol-ANT-teer" Decesare/Manak Antoine ventures into Robotropolis alone to retrieve Tails' lost backpack with a power ring in it. Bunnie shadows him just in case. Surprising last panel gives the impression that Antoine isn't exactly clueless. Sonicgram: Further indication that Knuckles will put in an appearance in the next Sonic special, though no hint as to his allegiance; look for an appearance by Knack the Weasel [c.f., the Triple Trouble game] in the same issue. Sally Miniseries #3 [June 1995] "Deadliest of the Species, Part III" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney (Summary: James Firmiss) (Recap of parts 0, 1 and 2 omitted) Sally, Hamlin and Dylan are fighting their way into Robotropolis with paint guns and grenades (blinding SWATbots). Dylan believes that attacking at half strength isn't wise, yet they press on. Hamlin nearly falls from a collapsing catwalk but Sally rescues him. They eventually reach their objective, break down the doors and find...Robotnik, St. John and Sally (in the container). Hamlin believes Geoffrey to be a traitor so he jumps him. Sally breaks it up and says she and St. John are on the same side. Robotnic reveals that Sally is an auto-automaton, a perfect robot duplicate, and that there was no weakness in the defense system. His master plan is to replace key members of the freedom fighters--we see auto-automatons of Sonic and Tails being built. Robotnik also plans to roboticize the Sally delivered to him by St. John. Robotnik begins the roboticization process but the chamber blows up because a "feedback loop" has occurred. Something which is impossible unless...he were trying to roboticize a robot! The real Sally was with Dylan and Hamlin. Sally tries to 'arrest' Robotnik, but large StealthBots emerge from the walls and capture the freedom fighters. Note: you could see the outlines of the StealthBots 5 pages back. St. John pushes a button on a remote control and a vehicle burrows its way up through the floor. Out pop Penelope, Arlo and three "moles". They help free Sally, Dylan and Hamlin (more paint guns). Robotnik manages to activate a 30-second self-destruct and disappears down an escape chute. Sally and the others all head for the vehicle maintenance area and grab saucer-shaped air cars (from Hanger 18! X-P ) and get out with no time to spare. With everyone back at the base, Hamlin, Penelope, Arlo and Dylan are promoted to full-fledged freedom fighters. Sally tries to convince Geoffrey to come to Knothole but he declines in order to rejoin the Rebel Underground. He does engage Sally in some serious lip-locking before they part. If you're not confused yet, here's a run-down of the plot- twists, as Sally explains them at the end: The FIRST Sally switch occurred right at the beginning of Part 1 shortly after meeting St. John. St. John really was the leader of the "Rebel Underground" and acted as a double agent in order to gain Robotnik's trust and activate the robot double prematurely in order to find out what its plans were. It was the auto-automaton Sally that helped attack the 2d and 3d substations. It was such a good copy that it could give orders, make hard choices, and even grieve for missing comrades. But did you notice the two clues that would have tipped you off that this was an automated Sally: 1. "Auto" Sally wore a purple vest instead of a blue one. 2. "Auto" Sally referred to Geoffrey by his first name, while the real Sally always called him "Mr. St. John." The SECOND Sally switch occurred in Part II, when Robotnik (and the reader) was supposed to think that Sally was being replaced by a robot double. And what about Arlo and Penelope? They were taken away by the moles from the literal Rebel UNDERGROUND. The Rebel Underground was also supposed to be backup in case anything unexpected happened. "This is definitely one of the most complicated stories Archie's Sonic group has ever come up with. Congrats...." JF SallyGram: Horace Hawkins (14) wishes Sally a Happy Valentine's Day, and expresses the desire to be her boyfriend. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Scott Fulop (Editor) asks if there is interest in a MONTHLY Sally comic. If so, send a postcard with the following: Give me Princess Sally. Monthly. NOW!!! to: SallyGrams c/o Archie Comic Publishing 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island; and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. Sonic & Knuckles 48 page special [1995] (based on summaries by James Firmiss) "Panic in the Sky!" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney (Part 1), Manak (Part 2) The Mobians living on the western shore of "the Great Continent" [you'd think that Mobians would have come up with another adjective besides "Great": viz.: the Great Forest, the Great Swamp, the Great Unknown, etc. See also the "all-purpose" use of the word _hrair_, or "thousands" by rabbits in Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. But I digress....] are alarmed by the approach of a floating island. Sally and the gang realize that the island is on course for Knothole; Sonic explains to the group (for the first time!?) that he and Tails were on the island a while back and met Knuckles. Antoine flies Sonic and Tails in the turboprop, dodging antiaircraft fire from the underside of the island. After landing on the island, seeing giant mushrooms and avoiding some traps, Sonic falls into one trap and again meets Knuckles. Since this is the second time Sonic has been caught trespassing, Knuckles is about to send him over the edge of the island. Tails tries dropping a rock on Knuckles from above to avoid this from happening, but it ends up that Tails has to rescue both Sonic and Knuckles by airlifting them to safety. It appears that Robotnik is "hijacking" the island by somehow draining the energy from the Chaos Emerald which keeps the island afloat. Already having established a presence on the island, Robotnik has installed weapons on the underside and plans to use the island as a flying fortress to attack Knothole. Knuckles won't allow the island to be used this way; he smashes the Chaos Emerald. With the island losing altitude, Robotnik abandons it, expecting that it'll still smash into Knothole (though how he suddenly knows of Knothole's location is unclear). But Knuckles replaces the "real" Chaos Emerald just in time--I'd tell you how he switched it with a phony one which was the one he broke, but I don't understand it either. Knuckles turns down an invitation to join the Knothole gang; part of his stewardship of the island now involves disarming it since Robotnik is gone. "Fire Drill" Penders/Art: Jon D'Agostino Knuckles investigates an explosion on the island, suspecting that it's Sonic. Catching just a glimpse of an intruder, he follows him to places unfamiliar even to him(!). As the trail leads off the edge of the island, he still thinks it's Sonic; however, we catch a glimpse of a shadowy presence still on the island. Must be Nack the Weasel -- check out the SonicGram in issue #23 for a hint. "Lord of the Floating Island" Penders/Harvey Mercadoocasio While patroling the island on a windy day, he spots a lost joey (baby kangaroo) names Bengy. The kid asks Knuckles to bring back the sky; Knuckles explains that there's an eclipse in progress and that's what's causing the winds. They avoid a pack of (biped) dingoes as Knuckles goes into further exposition about the island-- how it's a paradise which some parties (Sonic and Robotnik) want to change. They eventually find Bengy's mom. Knuckles' exit line: "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" The entire story appears to exist to supply needed exposition and to nudge Knuckles closer to the Good Guy category. No SonicGrams, but announcements: Sonic #25 will have a silver ink cover and feature Mecha Sonic; dated August '95. Also slated for that month: a Sonic Triple Trouble 48-page special featuring Nack the Weasel; it will also include a Sonic v. Knuckles story, a Knuckles solo story, and a Tails solo story. Another 48-page special -- Knuckles Chaotix -- is schedules for November '95. Solo Knuckles stories will appear in Sonics #31-33 (Feb-Apr '96) and a Knuckles 3-parter will begin Jan '96. #25 [Aug 1995] "Go Ahead...Mecha My Day" (the only story in this issue) Story: Mike Gallagher Art: Pat Spaziante based on summary by James Firmiss In a bow to the CD game, the story focuses on the freedom fighters' discovery of the Collision Chaos Zone, a "zone portal." Robotnik tries to lure Sonic into the zome portal by kidnapping his #1 fan: Amy Rose, the pink hedgehog (remember her?). Based on her dialogue on page 14, I'd describe her in Foghorn Leghorn terms: "Nice kid, but about as sharp as a sack full of wet mice." Tails investigates from the air and is captured instead. To rescue both Amy and Tails, Sonic must race through the new zones and do battle with Robotnik's Mecha-Sonic. Spaziante's artwork of Sally in this issue is surprising, in that her shape has gotten...well, more shapely. I don't remember her having that much of a bustline in issue #21! Still no SonicGrams; another repeat announcement of the Triple Trouble and Chaotix specials, as well as the Knuckles and Tails miniseries. Also staff artwork. #26 [Sep 1995] "Way, Way Past Cool" Script: A. Decesare; Pencil: D. Manak; Ink: J. D'Agostino Sonic, Tails, Sally, Rotor and Antoine find themselves in a snowstorm...in the middle of summer. Of course it's a plot by Dr. Robotnik: after lowering the temperature on Mobius, he will use infrared heat sensors to locate the warm-blooded freedom fighters. Sonic and the gang take shelter (such as it is) in a cave, where they encounter a group of polar Mobians--they were trapped down south when Robotnik took over and have lived in hiding ever since. After initially attacking the Weather Annihilator with a snowball-loaded catapult, the Knothole gang is captured by Snively. The polar Mobians, however, come to their aid and Sonic destroys the Annihilator. The polar Mobians return north to their home, inspired to put up more of a resistance. This story has inspired renewed argument over species identification since one of the polar Mobians [Erma, presumably an ermine] looks something like Sally. However, Erma doesn't have the white winter coat associated with a true ermine, nor is her tail long and tipped with black, nor is her body long and slender. But, hey, we're talking design by Manak here! Wadja expect? Additional problems/flamebait: Where did the catapult come from? If Sally decided not to wear a vest because of the summer heat, how come she's still got her boots on? [Then again, I'm convinced that furries are Not Clear On The Concept when it comes to clothing]. And why is Sonic shown skittering across the surface of a river in the story's opening when the character guide to Sonic clearly states that Sonic is a non-swimmer and would ordinarily avoid water? Fan art "Fortified" Story: A. Decesare; Pencil: A. Mawhinney; Ink: R. Koslowski The Knothole gang (the cast of the above story PLUS Bunnie!) are in the mountains, trying to keep ahead of Robotnik--not easy, since Sonic has a sprained ankle. Bunnie discovers an old fort, complete with an old muzzle-loading cannon and a blacksmith's forge. Robotnik's "bus" crashes into the fort, only to confront Bunnie, suited up in improvised body armour. She takes out Robotnik's SWATbots and maneuvers the bus to crash through the fort wall and roll back down the mountain. FINALLY an appearance by Bunnie! [One has to wonder whether her (largely out-of-the-way) role in "Vol-Ant-eer" in Sonic #23 even counts as an appearance.] Mawhinney, though, seems to draw her a little on the "squashed" side. After Spaziante's rendering of Sally in Sonic #25, I wonder how *he'd* draw Bunnie. SonicGrams: In-house humor featuring Fulop, Mendez, Pepitone and Pauley [DJD: Leave it at the water cooler, guys!]. Hint that the upcoming StH Triple Trouble special issue will feature Tails in a Sea Fox submarine solo story, by way of warming up for the Happy Fun Fox miniseries in the fall. Question about why the SWATbots carrying out Operation Wasteland in Sonic #22 went after Robotnik and Snively [DJD: What part of "total destruction" don't you understand?]; a fan from Canada complains about Bunnie's seldom appearing in the comics [DJD: Hear! Hear!]; fan letter for Tails from Cleveland. Also cover art for #27 and the Triple Trouble special. NOTES FROM THE NET: that's the heading suggested for comix- related posts to a.f.s-h by none other than Paul Castiglia of Archie Comics. Seems P.C. thinks that NftN would make a good subsection of the Sonic Grams, and said so in a recent post. The idea is that you can post to a.f.s-h, and your post (and e-mail address if you want) will be reprinted in NftN. But ONLY if you specify that it's for NftN. Apparently Archie Comics is still getting a feel for whether they should go ahead with the plan, so let's see some support for it! Hmmm, wonder if Sally's e-mail address is princess@frdmftrs.org ? COMIC PUBLISHERS: For subscriptions and back issues--US & Canada: Archie Comics 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 (914) 381-5155. $15.00/year US monthly $18.00/year CAN monthly For subscriptions and back issues--United Kingdom (Fleetway Editions comics): Sonic The Comic Subscription Dept. OR Back Issue Zone Aim Ltd. P.O. Box 10 Pallion Industrial Estate Sunderland, SR4 6SN UNITED KINGDOM 01144-91-5102290 L28.60 (=28 pounds, 60 pence)/year UK fortnightly L45.00/year Europe fortnightly L47.00/year Overseas surface mail fortnightly L55.00/year Overseas airmail fortnightly C. OTHER SOURCES Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ (c)1995: Mahwah, New Jersey: Troll Associates. _Sonic the Hedgehog_ synopsis: Note: Any resemblance between this book and the original comics miniseries shouldn't be surprising; what IS surprising is how far from the TV series this is. Herewith, the "Cliff's Notes" description: Ch.1: At the beginning, Sonic is 7, Robotnik is 15, and both are staying with Uncle Chuck (you get some idea of how non-canonical this is going to get!). While Robotnik is only interested in gadgets, Sonic is only interested in running fast. While Uncle Chuck works on perfecting a power ring, Robotnik cannibalizes parts from Uncle Chuck's old tractor for a robot. When Uncle Chuck starts up the tractor, it goes out of control and heads for Robotnik. Ch. 2: Sonic interrupts a game of one-against-nine baseball to move the tractor which has pinned Robotnik and Uncle Chuck. He's able to move it with the power ring and he takes both Robotnik and Uncle Chuck to the hospital. Ch. 3: After being released from the hospital, Uncle Chuck and Robotnik return home. Robotnik's robot confesses to Uncle Chuck that he was put together with the stolen tractor parts, and Robotnik is grounded. Robotnik cobbles together another robot from Uncle Chuck's major appliances; it grabs Uncle Chuck but Sonic defeats it by wrapping it up in a garden hose. Robotnik leaves. Ch. 4: "Eight years passed." Sonic, 15, has a pet dog, Muttski, and works as a delivery hedgehog for his Uncle Chuck's chili dog stand. Sonic tests his new sneakers (designed by Uncle Chuck) while filling a large order, but in his absence Robotnik returns and arrests "Uncle Chuck" and his robots trash the stand. Ch. 5: Sonic delivers the chili dogs to an old factory, walking into a trap. He escapes and returns to what's left of the stand. He destroys a couple of robots who try to capture him and learns that Robotnik is responsible. He heads off for Robotnik's factory. Ch. 6: Stopping in the forest just outside the factory he encounters "a cute little chipmunk girl": Princess Sally Acorn. She shows Sonic a short-cut to the "Ro-Bo-Machine." Ch. 7: Reaching the fence around the factory, Sonic sees that Uncle Chuck has already been roboticized. Sally tries to stop him, but Sonic goes over the fence. Ch. 8: Sonic goes into Sonic Spin and takes out the SWATbots. With Sally's help, they get Uncle Chuck and Muttski and head for the Great Forest. Ch. 9: Sally leads them to "Knothole Village" which is "under the forest floor." (cf. Sonic #0). Sonic uses a power ring to restore Uncle Chuck and Muttski. None of the other Freedom Fighters are introduced. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ synopsis: one of the Knothole freedom fighters is captured by Robotnik and used as bait to lure Sonic into a trap. In this case, the victim is Bunnie, and the story supposedly explains how she came to be partially roboticized. This account is at odds with the explanation in the comics (Sonic #3). In addition, both Uncle Chuck and Muttski in this book has been successfully deroboticized (see above), which conflicts with "Sonic Conversion" and, in fact, the rest of the second season. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ PLOT SYNOPSIS: Ch. 1: Rotor is being held prisoner by Robotnik in the old royal fortress, which is now Robotnik's headquarters. He shares a cell with a woodchuck named Digger, who says he's from a Freedom Fighter group on the western edge of the Great Forest. Digger tells Rotor about the King's list of freedom fighters. Snively takes Digger away and tells Rotor that Robotnik's looking for the list as well. Ch. 2: Sonic & Bunnie arrive at Robotnik's fortress to bust Rotor out of his cell. Guided by a small transmitter in the lining of Rotor's cap, they locate the cell, take out the bots and "haul some serious haunch" back to Knothole. Ch. 3: Snively reports the escape of Rotor to an unconcerned Robotnik, who is preparing to rip the fortress apart to locate the list. Rotor tells the others about the list and Robotnik's search for it. Sally guesses that the list in question was one of "brave and true warriors" compiled by Sally's father when she was a girl. A box of her father's papers turns out to have a secret compartment which yields the following fragment: ...beside your bed safe and... ...tucked in tight... ...you cannot fall... Ch. 4: Sonic, Sally, Bunnie, Rotor and Antoine set out the following evening. Using a high-frequency generator, they scramble the circuits of the SWATbots at the front gate. Antoine suggests beginning the search with the safe in her father's bedroom. Ch. 5: While Robotnik leads a search of the main level, Snively detects the Freedom Fighters' entry into the fortress. Thinking to score points with Robotnik, Snively plans to capture them himself. The Freedom Fighters arrive at the bedroom, but find Snively and a platoon of SWATbots. Sonic and Bunnie take out the bots while Antoine trips up Snively before he can grab Sally. Unfortunately, they notice that the safe door is open and the safe is empty. Ch. 6: Thinking of the second and third lines of the fragment, Antoine suggests that it might be Sally's old crib--a bed from which one cannot fall. Sneaking to the nursery, they discover that Robotnik hasn't gotten there yet. Rotor tears the mattress apart but finds nothing. Snively arrives and locks the Freedom Fighters in the nursery. Ch. 7: While Snively goes off to find Robotnik, Rotor accidentally bumps into an old music box. Sally suddenly realizes that the fragment of "clues" is actually part of the lyrics of an old lullaby sung to the tune the music box is playing. The lyrics make mention of a clock, which is no longer in the room. Sally guesses that it was hidden in one of the towers. She also remembers a secret passageway from the nursery to the tower. Moving a book on a shelf, a panel slides back, revealing a staircase. Ch. 8: Ascending the staircase, they find the clock in a room filled with old furniture and such, but also find that the clock has been torn apart. Noticing that several pieces of SWATbot are lying about, Sonic and Bunnie get inside the metal parts and act as if the "bot" were escorting the others as prisoners. Robotnik's exultation at finding the list is interrupted when the bot and its "prisoners" arrive. Sonic grabs the list, lays out Robotnik, and the Freedom Fighters escape. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ PLOT SUMMARY: [If you know the plot of the "Game Guy" episode [second season], you pretty much know the plot of this book, though there are several major differences.] Ch. 1: Sally has a nightmare wherein Robotnik displaces her father. Referring to the list that was captured in _Fortress of Fear_, and noting that its descriptions of locations are extremely general, she plans to begin searching in the Caverns in the Great Unknown. Ch. 2: Rotor tests a magnetic field generator, managing to snare Bunnie. While exploring the caverns, they use the generator to dislodge a boulder. Spooked by a swarm of bats, Antoine becomes lost in the cave. Ch. 3: Antoine is found by the bank of an underground river. Using an inflatable raft, they head down the river and are almost hurled over a waterfall. They bed down for the night but awaken in the morning to the sound of approaching SWATbots. Ch. 4: The SWATbots take no notice of the Knothole gang, concentrating on an escaping figure. Sonic helps out the escapee, who turns out to be Ari on his way to free other freedom fighters in his group being held by Robotnik. Ch. 5: Ari explains how his group, which originally numbered 20, has lived on the run. Sonic is all for helping him, but Sally doesn't trust him. When Sonic goes off alone with Ari, Rotor is able to unscramble the bots' orders: to pretend to pursue Ari in order to lure Sonic to a trap. Ch. 6: Sonic and Ari reach the fortress, but not before Sonic pulls Ari out of quicksand. Once inside, Ari lets Sonic get captured. Ch. 7: Sally, Antoine, Rotor and Bunnie are in pursuit of Sonic and Ari. Sonic is deposited into the large pinball game/arena, with the object of avoiding the energy vortex. Ari realizes that his comrades have been roboticized and he's been double-crossed. Ch. 8: The Knothole gang arrive at the fortress and manage to save Ari. He leads them to Sonic. In a major reversal of the TV plot, Ari manages to pull Sonic out of the vortex, then helps him escape the game. As the group approaches Knothole, Ari returns home on his own. OVERSEAS BOOKS: Martin Adams, _Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory_ (c)1993: London: Virgin. Attention WEB-Slingers: The following individuals have set up Sonic the Hedgehog home pages on the World Wide Web. You can access them at: [Note: these addresses are current as of the date of this FAQ file edition; beyond that, I make no claims as to the accuracy of accessing these pages. Many WEB sites do have links to other Sonic pages so give 'em a shot] http://www.PrimeNet.Com:80/~rotor/ http://www.ysu.edu/~ptighe/sonic.html http://rat.org/sonic/ ftp://ftp.hff.rat.org/pub/sonic From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 14:18:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA16808 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:01:01 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA16800 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:00:46 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA26138; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:00:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: big messages (part 2) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I think I'll raise that limit to 200K. That will allow dan to post his faq and not fuq things up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 14:48:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA16650 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:52:58 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA16640 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:52:45 -0400 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id MAA21650 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:52:38 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id MAA25014 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:52:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199507241752.MAA25014@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic 27 is out -- Sonic 1/2 -- Vote To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 12:52:35 CDT In-Reply-To: <9507231831.AA24106@edmund>; from "Dan Drazen" at Jul 23, 95 2:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net <-- I wrote --> >> Yo! I finally got Sonic 27 today. >> >> I'm not gonna review it but here's a teazer. >> >> On a routine recon mission, Sonic is captured and gets as case of comedy's >> favorite medical affliction (amnesia). Robotnik befriends the confused >> Sonic and trains him to be a Badnik! Is this the end of Knothole and the >> Freedom Fighters? > <-- Dan Drazen replied --> > Funny, that's the same question we were supposed to be asking ourselves > during the "No Brainer" ep of the SatAM series (second season). I hope > this doesn't mean that the writers are running out of gas. If they need > ideas for stories, however, there are people on the list (myself > included) who would be only too happy to make suggestions. Yeah. Very similar plot to 'No Brainer' so far (Its actually a 2-parter in an ARCHIE series.. whoa! That's never been done in the regular Sonic Series). I don't know how they'll solve it but so far its being done a bit differently than 'No Brainer'. -- Re: Sonic 1/2 -- The guy who told me about this actually had a copy. Yes, its on standard 'newspaper' stock. Yes, its just the first 6 pages from Sonic Miniseries issue '0'. Yes, it was a free insert (I don't know where he got it) Also, Its not called 'Sonic 1/2' its really called 'Sonic 1/4'. I don't know if he's letting me keep his copy or if he just wanted me to see it (he was drunk at the time). He DID let me keep a nifty Sonic 2 Iron On pattern :) Now I just need to get a good blank t-shirt. Too bad the pattern only has Sonic holding up 2 fingers in a Sonic 2 logo. I was hoping Tails would be on it as well. -- Re: Meeting Vote -- I never got around to voting, but I've always had trouble with IRCs. I keep forgetting how to do stuff. And yes, the few times I HAVE tried IRC with a friend we've always been bombarded by dweebs kicking people off and flipping everyone's bits and other stupidity. I'd prefer the meetings on Furtoonia (or FurryMUCK) but if IRC is the ultimate decision it would be helpful if someone told people like me how to even get ON an IRC [and some basic commands for chatting, moving from one channel to another, seeing who's on, etc.]. -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 220 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 15:17:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA17081 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:21:30 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA17075 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:21:19 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA26502; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:21:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: big messages (part 2) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > I think I'll raise that limit to 200K. That will allow dan to post his > faq and not fuq things up. oops. didn't mean to send this to the list. Sorry! :-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 16:29:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18337 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:00:18 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18328 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:00:01 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA05552 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:56:54 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Final Vote From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ADD3B7.0001001D47.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 15:51:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8ADD2EC.0001001D43.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net humm i was just thinking that we could try all the difrent paces and see what everyone wants. I mean first we try IRC then Furtoonia and then IRCT and so on. then we see what everyone liked the best. I can't moderate a meeting in Furtoonia till I get my chrector if the vote is changed I will send for one. Maby you could moderate a furtoonia one of your own. Think about ti BTW:how does someone take over and kick everyone off in IRC? From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 16:38:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA18227 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:47:17 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA18220 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:46:58 -0400 Received: from srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA49278; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:42:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:42:35 -0600 (MDT) From: "William T. Graham" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Final Vote In-Reply-To: <8ADD283.0001001D26.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > Well here is what my vote about the meet came out > > IRC Won with 60% of the votes. > Still IRC is the winner so that is where the meet will be held. > > based on the most popular times 6:00 PM saturday would be the best. I take it that's EDT. That makes it 4:00 pm in my timezone (MDT). > As for a date well how does Saturday July 29th sound. Sounds fine by me. I'll mark it on my calendar. -- - William Graham - on IRC: Spuug - - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! - From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 16:59:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18817 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:37:09 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18811 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:36:59 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA28721; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:36:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:36:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: irc meeting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Why don't we agree on a channel name? I propose #sonic Then if people are on IRC anyway, we can check to see if anyone is there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 17:29:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18998 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:53:11 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18988 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:52:57 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA07936 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:52:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950724165230.913a@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Sally's a Human! was: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net (alt.tv.animaniacs inside joke follows:) I have proof! >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >Sonic and Sally >Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Something noteworthy about this one (spoiler alert): The Sally robot is nearing completion when Snivelly brings in a memory board and tells Robotnik "here we go - enough memory to mimic _human_ (emphasis mine) capability" (or something like that) - hmm, maybe that's another log for the "what is Sally" flamewar/discussion? :^) RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 17:32:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18879 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:42:00 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18874 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:41:49 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA09433; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:35:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sally's a Human! was Sonic FAQ File 2/3 (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you want to reply to the author, please be sure your reply is addressed to BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net Cc: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Subject: Sally's a Human! was Sonic FAQ File 2/3 (alt.tv.animaniacs inside joke follows:) I have proof! >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >Sonic and Sally >Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Something noteworthy about this one (spoiler alert): The Sally robot is nearing completion when Snivelly brings in a memory board and tells Robotnik "here we go - enough memory to mimic _human_ (emphasis mine) cabability" (or something like that) - hmm, maybe that's another log for the "what is Sally" flamewar/discussion? :^) RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 17:39:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18800 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:34:50 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA18795 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:34:38 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA28693; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:34:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:34:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Final Vote In-Reply-To: <8ADD3B7.0001001D47.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > humm i was just thinking that we could try all the difrent paces and see > what everyone wants. I mean first we try IRC then Furtoonia and then > IRCT and so on. then we see what everyone liked the best. I can't > moderate a meeting in Furtoonia till I get my chrector if the vote is > changed I will send for one. Maby you could moderate a furtoonia one of > your own. Think about ti IRC advantages: easier to use. more people have access to it. disadvantages: people can take over the channel. Furtoonia advantages: there is a knothole set up, which can make it more fun disadvantages: harder to use. takes a bit of getting used to. > BTW:how does someone take over and kick everyone off in IRC? Easy. If you get ops, you can kick everyone off. And you can ride a netsplit in to get ops. I dont' want keep going on about such an off-topic thing, but trust me, It's not hard. If we have a meeting on IRC, I'll demonstrate it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 17:52:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA19397 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:29:36 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA19392 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:29:23 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id RAA07056 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:24:55 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199507242124.RAA07056@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: Irc conference To: sonic@sard.mv.net (sonic) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:24:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 94 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net What channel is the July 29th irc conference going to be on? Ted Perrotti, optimus@tiac.net From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 18:16:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA19338 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:25:19 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA19330 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:25:03 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id RAA06925; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:20:36 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199507242120.RAA06925@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: irc meeting To: sonic@sard.mv.net (sonic) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Cc: optimus@laraby.tiac.net (Theodore Perrotti) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 230 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Hi. I just got the date and time for the Sonic forum. Could anyone send me the basic commands for starting irc and getting on an irc channel, etc... It's been awhile since I last irced. Thanks. Ted Perrotti, optimus@tiac.net From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 20:29:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA21249 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:59:35 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA21237 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:59:11 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id TAA10614 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:56:05 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: irc meeting From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ADD48E.0001001D9E.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 19:26:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8ADD410.0001001D8C.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok if you use IRC Cliant when you log in type /j #sonic to go to the channel if you use IRC2 click the Join Channel icon and type #sonic I will be in the channel on wed at 8edt if you want to test it then. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 20:52:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA21248 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:59:34 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA21235 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:59:10 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id TAA10610 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:56:04 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Irc conference From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ADD48D.0001001D9D.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 19:25:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8ADD414.0001001D88.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I will go with an idea that was posted some time ago #sonic is the channel also this wednesday I will be in that channel at 8:00 pm EDT if you wanted to test out IRC. If you have Winsock acess on a service and no IRC. FTP to rat's FTP and somewhere there you can find a program called IRC Client. I got a program form FTP.CDROM.COM called IRC2 and it works good. Hope to see ya all there. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 20:59:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA21262 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 20:00:02 -0400 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA21251 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:59:46 -0400 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux3.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux3.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.123]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA61427 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:59:44 -0500 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux3.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA30857; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:59:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:59:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199507242359.SAA30857@linux3.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Human Capability Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Dear friends RDB: The Sally robot is nearing completion when Snivelly brings in a memory board and tells Robotnik "here we go - enough memory to mimic _human_ (emphasis mine) capability" (or something like that) - hmm, maybe that's another log for the "what is Sally" flamewar/discussion? :^) I think it gives possible evidence for the theory that Mobius was created by humans doing an experiment on sapience. Since humans were the first sentient beings, "human capability" is the common term for sentience. Personally I'm really leaning to this "NIMH" scenario, wherein some animals got their human customs from the group of scientists who first worked on Mobius. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara "The octo-pod can look...but he better not touch!" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 22:09:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA21916 for sonic-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:32:41 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA21911 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:32:30 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA04231; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:32:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:32:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Irc conference In-Reply-To: <8ADD48D.0001001D9D.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > I will go with an idea that was posted some time ago #sonic is the > channel > also this wednesday I will be in that channel at 8:00 pm EDT if you > wanted to test out IRC. If you have Winsock acess on a service and no > IRC. FTP to rat's FTP and somewhere there you can find a program called > IRC Client. I got a program form FTP.CDROM.COM called IRC2 and it works > good. It's rat.org /pub/msdos/winsock and the program is called mirc. It's for Windows. You have to have winsockets. Many people get their net access over just a terminal. If so, try just typing "irc". ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 04:26:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA24386 for sonic-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:59:30 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA24381 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:59:19 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id DAA05644 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:55:05 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199507250755.DAA05644@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: Sonic #27 To: sonic@sard.mv.net (sonic) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 921 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I've been looking everywhere for this issue (Sonic #27), but have had no luck at all finding it. Does anyone know of some stores in Connecticut that might have it? About a week ago (on 7/17/95, I think), I subscribed to the Sonic comic book using the back-issue order form from issue 25 or 26. However, I am not sure which issue my subscription will start with. Can I expect to receive #27 as my first issue, or should I expect my subscription to not start until #28 or #29? Please let me know, as I'd really like to read #27. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Remember"-Mufasa's ghost, The Lion King Theodore P. Perrotti optimus@tiac.net (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (account will be axed soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 08:18:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA25668 for sonic-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:15:32 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA25663 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:15:19 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11522; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:15:15 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA04157; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:15:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9507251215.AA04157@edmund> Subject: IRC: Regrets To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:15:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Afraid you'll have to include me out of the IRC session. Daniel J. Drazen drazen@andrews.edu From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 14:19:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA29478 for sonic-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:00:33 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA29471 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:00:19 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id NAA08365 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:57:11 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: meeting From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8ADE2E0.0001001DF7.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 12:16:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok i will try to anser some questions here It will be held on Saturday July 29th at 6:00 Pm EDT 5:00 PM CDT 4:00 PM MDT, 3:00 PM PDT and 10:00 Pm England Time (If I didn't mention your time zone you can use a time zone map. Sorry) We will use the Channel #Sonic if that is taken and one of theas channels are active then we are useing an alternate ##Sonic## #Sonic-Fan# IRC can be acessed using sevral difrent progams MIRC is my fave. As for UNIX and other accounts like that I really don't know. I am used to the Winsock protocol. Most online services such as Prodigi (AKA FRODIGI) and Compuserve don't have IRC. If you are a member of one of those i'm sorry but I don't think you could be there. I am planing some Events for the meet such as Sonic Speed Trivia. If you want to recamend a game we can do that too. There are plenty of IRC games that can be played. Thats it i guess. Let me know if you have any questions From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 16:23:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA01144 for sonic-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:10:21 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA01139 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:10:09 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA09919; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:04:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic #27 In-Reply-To: <199507250755.DAA05644@laraby.tiac.net> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Theodore Perrotti wrote: > I've been looking everywhere for this issue (Sonic #27), but have had no > luck at all finding it. Does anyone know of some stores in Connecticut > that might have it? Give it some time. It should hit my local stores (Knoxville, Tenn.) in about 2 more weeks from now. And I'll get my copy in the mail about a week after then. Drugstores, supermarkets, and convenience stores are often good because there are a lot of them in town. If one doesn't have it, check the one two blocks down the road. Also check "Comics" in your yellow pages. > About a week ago (on 7/17/95, I think), I subscribed to the Sonic comic > book using the back-issue order form from issue 25 or 26. However, I am not > sure which issue my subscription will start with. Can I expect to > receive #27 as my first issue, or should I expect my subscription to not > start until #28 or #29? My guess is 29, maybe 30. 28 only if you're lucky. Back issues will arrive a bit more quickly. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 18:33:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA02589 for sonic-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:05:37 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA02555 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:05:11 -0400 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA12782 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:05:04 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08163 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:05:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199507252205.SAA08163@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: IRC: Regrets To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:05:02 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9507251215.AA04157@edmund> from "Dan Drazen" at Jul 25, 95 08:15:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1028 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Afraid you'll have to include me out of the IRC session. > Same here. I dunno what Dan's reasons are, but IRC tends to be heavily frowned upon by colleges, and unless I'm at school with a nice direct ethernet connection (which I'm not), I'm at the mercy of what they say goes and doesn't go on my unix account. IRC = no go. later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 08:54:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA07286 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:36:45 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA07251 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:36:16 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05563; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:36:08 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA26043; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:36:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9507261236.AA26043@edmund> Subject: Re: IRC: Regrets To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:36:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9507251215.AA04157@edmund> from "Dan Drazen" at Jul 25, 95 08:15:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Afraid you'll have to include me out of the IRC session. > > Daniel J. Drazen drazen@andrews.edu > This is in response to a few posts I've received that asked for an explanation: The short answer: I have to bow out because it's taking place on a Saturday. As a Seventh-day Adventist who observes a Saturday Sabbath, I'm afraid my Saturdays are "booked solid" for the rest of my life. Dan From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 09:17:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA07467 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:44:32 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA07461 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:44:19 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07727; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:44:15 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA26464; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:44:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9507261244.AA26464@edmund> Subject: Re: Sally's a Human! was: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:44:11 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <950724165230.913a@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at Jul 24, 95 04:52:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) > > >Sonic and Sally > >Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. > > Something noteworthy about this one (spoiler alert): > > The Sally robot is nearing completion when Snivelly brings in a memory > board and tells Robotnik "here we go - enough memory to mimic _human_ > (emphasis mine) capability" (or something like that) - hmm, maybe that's > another log for the "what is Sally" flamewar/discussion? :^) > > RDB > Not that the technology did them a heck of a lot of good. After all, it wasn't the AMOUNT of memory that gave the game away, but WHAT WAS MEMORIZED. They didn't sweat the details (the hand jive, the story-telling technique), thus sowing the seeds of the plan's destruction. Or am I taking this too seriously? ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 09:26:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA07689 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:01:33 -0400 Received: from saul6.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA07680 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:01:12 -0400 Received: by saul6.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20974; Wed, 26 Jul 95 06:01:09 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul6.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 06:01:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic music... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I've got two questions for you Sonic-philes, one game-related, one comic/show-related: (a) Which of the game tunes from Sonics 1, 2, 3, K, CD, et cetera are your absolute favorites? (b) What music makes you think of the various members of the Freedom Fighters and/or the Empire (excuse me, Robotnik's forces)? I'm particularly looking for something for Tails, whom I haven't quite come up with the perfect piece for. Joke names okay ('Do Run Run' for Sonic?), but I'm thinking more of music that *sounds* like the character. I'm gonna be out of town for the remainder of the week, but I'll collect the responses nonetheless, so mailbomb me! (:3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more blissful people? From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 16:49:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA12852 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA12844 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:22:58 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA09431 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:57:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:56:37 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09119021.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >(a) Which of the game tunes from Sonics 1, 2, 3, K, CD, et cetera are >your absolute favorites? #1: Green Hill. #2: Ugh...the music all sucks in that one. #3: Theme S&K: Tie between the theme and the mini-boss (James Bond-type sound) music. SCD: DEFINITELY AND WITHOUT A DOUBT, Sonic Boom...ESPECIALLY when you hook it up to the stereo! Knuckles Chaotix: Can't say; I've never played it. >(b) What music makes you think of the various members of the Freedom >Fighters and/or the Empire (excuse me, Robotnik's forces)? "Empire"...that's how I typically think of it. Anyways, that's a toughie, since I haven't been listening to much music lately (except what my mom's written, and of course, that'd be no help to you guys, since you've never heard it). >< Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. PS: I won't be able to make the IRC meeting, either. It all comes of having to access the 'Net through Fraudigy instead of having the real thing. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 17:10:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA12986 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:38:55 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA12979 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:38:41 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA12347; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:32:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Transcript of Saturday's IRC Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Arrangements are underway to make a transcript of the IRC meeting scheduled for Saturday. The transcript will not be made available on the ftp site unless the participants are agreeable to it. For now, I'm going to ask for a 2/3 vote. Let me know by direct mail if you think the minimum should be higher or lower. Do not vote now. The method for voting is not yet set. It may be a online "voice" vote, or it may be by e-mail. If you have a strong preference for one over the other, let me know in direct mail. One complication to this is that I don't know as yet whether I will be in attendance. I will release more details as they get worked out. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 18:49:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA14061 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:19:02 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA14054 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:18:43 -0400 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA05058 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:18:36 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08306 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:18:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199507262218.SAA08306@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic music... To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:18:34 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <013.09119021.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> from "MR THADDEUS R BOYD" at Jul 26, 95 03:56:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1874 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > >(a) Which of the game tunes from Sonics 1, 2, 3, K, CD, et cetera are > >your absolute favorites? > Without a doubt, 'Carnival Night Zone' from Sonic 3 is my absolute favorite. I also like 'Casino Night Zone' from Sonic 2, and basically I wouldn't mind listening to *any* of the Sonic game tunes repeatedly. They are definitely some of the best examples of Genesis music. > >(b) What music makes you think of the various members of the Freedom > >Fighters and/or the Empire (excuse me, Robotnik's forces)? > Funny you should ask this :) I constructed the Knothole Village Pub on FurToonia, and I used to have song plaques dedicated to each Freedom Fighter (I've since taken them down, for personal reasons, but I guess I'll hafta put them up again someday). These are some of the tunes I and others came up with: Sonic: The Theme from 'Sonic the Hedgehog' by Noisy Neighbors. Sally: "Wildflowers" by Tom Petty Bunnie: "Code of Silence" by Billy Joel Sir Charles: "Mr. Roboto" by Styx Antoine: "Too Much Time on My Hands" by Styx Tails: "Somewhere Out There" by Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram Also, I think 'I, Robot' by the Alan Parsons Project is very fitting. later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 19:40:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14648 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:16:35 -0400 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14640 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:16:11 -0400 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17615; Wed, 26 Jul 95 17:16:03 MDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 17:16:03 MDT Message-Id: <9507262316.AA17615@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed Jul 26, Fred Sloniker wrote: >(a) Which of the game tunes from Sonic 1, 2, 3, K, CD, et >cetera are your absolute favorites? I enjoyed all the music from Sonic 1. From Sonic 2, the only ones I didn't like were the Oil Ocean, the Special Stage, and (vs mode) Haunted Forest (or something to that idea). From Sonic 3, I enjoyed only the first acts of all the stages, the second stage for the Lava Reef, the Gumball Machine Bonus Stage, the final attack [either at the end of the second act of Launch Base (Sonic 3) or after the second act of Death Egg (Sonic 3 & Knuckles)], the vs mode intro, the vs mode race areas, the Continue music, and the Game Select music. I haven't seen Knuckles Chaotix or heard enough of the Sonic CD to pass any further judgement. >(b) What music makes you think of the various members of the >Freedom Fighters and/or the Empire (excuse me, Robotnik's >forces)? I'm particularly looking for something for Tails, whom >I haven't quite come up with the perfect piece for. Joke names >okay ('Do Run Run' for Sonic?), but I'm thinking more of music >that *sounds* like the character. How about Ray Steven's 'The Streak' or Aerosmith's 'Livin' on the Edge' for Sonic, Stevie Wonder's 'Isn't She Lovely' for Sally, the Fifth Dimension's 'Beautiful Balloon' for Tails (umm, maybe not), and the Empirial March theme from the Empire Strikes Back for Robotnik's forces? Can anyone else come up with anything better? -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 19:56:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14666 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:19:47 -0400 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14659 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:19:34 -0400 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18397; Wed, 26 Jul 95 17:19:27 MDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 17:19:27 MDT Message-Id: <9507262319.AA18397@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I take one of those suggestions back. The Fifth Dimension's 'Beatutiful Balloon' is best suited for Antoine for the Comic story 'Twan With the Wind from issue #12. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 20:07:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14552 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:00:06 -0400 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA14544 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:59:52 -0400 Received: from usr2.primenet.com (root@usr2.primenet.com [198.68.32.12]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA22766 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:59:45 -0700 Received: (rotor@localhost) by usr2.primenet.com (8.6.12/wjp-c2.0) id PAA23904; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:59:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:59:45 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... In-Reply-To: <199507262218.SAA08306@acmex.gatech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Robin Hood wrote: > > >(b) What music makes you think of the various members of the Freedom > > >Fighters and/or the Empire (excuse me, Robotnik's forces)? > > > Funny you should ask this :) > I constructed the Knothole Village Pub on FurToonia, and I used to have > song plaques dedicated to each Freedom Fighter (I've since taken them down, > for personal reasons, but I guess I'll hafta put them up again someday). > These are some of the tunes I and others came up with: > > Sonic: The Theme from 'Sonic the Hedgehog' by Noisy Neighbors. > Sally: "Wildflowers" by Tom Petty > Bunnie: "Code of Silence" by Billy Joel > Sir Charles: "Mr. Roboto" by Styx > Antoine: "Too Much Time on My Hands" by Styx > Tails: "Somewhere Out There" by Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram > Let's see...and at one point I suggested "Weird Science" by Oingo Boingo for Rotor. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hate you, You hate me" "Let's hang Barney from a tree" "With a kick and a punch and a bullet to the head" "Now that purple freak is dead" David M. Pistone -- rotor@primenet.com __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ http://www.rat.org/bookshire /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / http://www.primenet.com/~rotor / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 20:50:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15256 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:27:11 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15250 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:26:50 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA24501; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:20:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:20:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic music... (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to list-brush-sonic@brushtail.han.com.au. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:34:24 +1000 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.han.com.au To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Fred Sloniker : > I've got two questions for you Sonic-philes, one game-related, > one comic/show-related: [...] > (b) What music makes you think of the various members of the > Freedom Fighters and/or the Empire (excuse me, Robotnik's > forces)? I'm particularly looking for something for Tails, whom > I haven't quite come up with the perfect piece for. Joke names > okay ('Do Run Run' for Sonic?) [..] For Tails it's easy: "Flight of the Valkyries" :) And with a few slight changes to his DNA, it could be the theme from the movie "Airwolf" :):) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 23:19:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA16395 for sonic-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:04:39 -0400 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA16382 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:04:24 -0400 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02811; Wed, 26 Jul 95 21:04:18 MDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 21:04:18 MDT Message-Id: <9507270304.AA02811@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed Jul 26, Chris wrote: >And with a few slight changes to his DNA, it >could be the theme from the movie "Airwolf" :):) I don't know about a DNA change, but an *attitude* change would be in order. ;-) -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 11:48:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA22000 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:33:27 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA21985 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:33:07 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14207; Thu, 27 Jul 95 11:37:57 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 32533W Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:29:04 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Music from the games... one that's been ignored... Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:12:05 GMT Message-Id: <95072711290457141@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Me? I think the fave music from the games ain't from a Genny but from Triple Troble fro Game Gear, that being the Locomotive Chase theme in Stage 2 act 3. THere's this very tension building opening overture in it. rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 13:48:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA23646 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:42:04 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA23641 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id MAA17900 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:41:46 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id MAA06528 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:41:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199507271741.MAA06528@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic music... To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 12:41:44 CDT In-Reply-To: <199507262218.SAA08306@acmex.gatech.edu>; from "Robin Hood" at Jul 26, 95 6:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net [Sorry if this is a repost, but my mailer screwed up in a way which SOMETIMES means I sent a blank e-mail message] ----- Fred Sloniker asks: > I've got two questions for you Sonic-philes, one game-related, one > comic/show-related: > > (a) Which of the game tunes from Sonics 1, 2, 3, K, CD, et cetera are > your absolute favorites? Hrm.. I only have Sonic 1, 2, and 3 (I rented S&K though)... I don't remember much from Sonic 1 since its been a while since I played it. I think that 'Star Light Zone' is my favorite from that game but I'd probably have to listen to them again to make sure. >From Sonic 2, I liked the music from Chemical Plant and Metropolis Zones the best. Oil Ocean runs a close third for me... I didn't like it until I 'screwed up' the 'select any level' trick and somehow made the game play the Oil Ocean theme ALL THE TIME (with no other jumping or ring grabbing sounds). It gave the entire game an eerie feeling. I liked the Sonic 2 'finale' music as well (when the credits are rolling). A friend of mine decided to 'tape' some of the music from Sonic 2 and he played it in his car. Sonic 2's 'bonus round' music was VERY appropriate for the winding road we were on. Now if there were rings on the road to drive over... wait a minute.. if there's road construction we could've used CONES! :) [i guess we're lucky there wasn't any road construction] Fom Sonic 3? Hrm. I liked several of the scores but there's no question about it. My absolute favorite has to be the 'finale' music (while the credits are rolling). Its my favorite for all Sonic games I've seen so far. Sonic & Knuckles... I rented this so I haven't gotten to hear ALL the music but my favorites are the Mushroom Hill zone music, and the level with the sand and those stupid ghosts. Another favorite score (when playing Sonic) is when Knuckles pops out of his hiding place to check out what's going on (RIGHT at the beginning). Something about this whole beginning sequence practically 'defines' what I like about the world of Sonic. I haven't seen Chaotix, Triple Trouble, or Sonic CD so I have no opinions on these. > (b) What music makes you think of the various members of the Freedom > Fighters and/or the Empire (excuse me, Robotnik's forces)? I'm > particularly looking for something for Tails, whom I haven't quite come up > with the perfect piece for. Joke names okay ('Do Run Run' for Sonic?), > but I'm thinking more of music that *sounds* like the character. Hrm... I'd have to listen to lots of music while thinking about this before I could decide for sure. For Sonic, maybe one of those high speed 'Techno' songs. Robin Hood suggested: > Sir Charles: "Mr. Roboto" by Styx Maybe something by Kraftwerk would be better :) David Pistone suggested: > "Weird Science" by Oingo Boingo for Rotor. :) I dunno.. Rotor's not THAT crazy. How about the French National Anthem for Antoine. Christ suggests: > For Tails it's easy: "Flight of the Valkyries" :) Yes, I can see it now... Tails wearing one of those horned Viking helmets singing opera. > And with a few slight changes to his DNA, it could be the theme from the movie "Airwolf" :):) I actually like this suggestion :) Maybe for an 'adult' Tails though. You definitly need something 'cuter' for Tails. :) -- You know... long ago on this list I heard at one time a 'live-action Sonic movie' was being considered (but was never made). I really have to wonder how to 'visualize' such a thing. Would they dress actors up to 'sorta' look like the characters (e.g. Mario Brother's movie) or would they make Sonic computer animated, or would they use the 'Howard the Duck' approach. Would they keep Jameel White (that Urkel guy) as the voice of Sonic? Lately I've been curious about this movie. [also.. on an unrelated topic.. wasn't a 'Lost in Space' movie planned?.. What happened to it?] -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 217 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 14:18:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA23867 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:02:45 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA23862 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:02:34 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id NAA01948 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:59:22 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic music... From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AE032C.0001001F0B.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 13:32:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8ADF169.0001001E7A.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok I think I will agree with 2 earler posts that a good song for tails whould be that one song they for flight seens in movies. (Forgot the name but my dad has a record of it somewhere:) And the theam form Weird Science is good for rotor. But if you are talking about game theams here is a list i came up with. This is form Sonic 2 all you do is play thease games in Sound Test Sonic :05,0E,16,17 Sally :0C,10 Tails :01,06,0D,0F,15 Rotor :03 Bunny :07 Antoine :08,0B You might see them difrently but the songs that play for thoes #s remind me of thoe charectors. BTW: Where in the game is Song 10 from. I don't remember hearing it in the game. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 16:51:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA26072 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:38:08 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA26062 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:37:54 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA31816 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:16:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:15:30 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09163517.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >BTW: Where in the game is Song 10 from. I don't remember hearing it in >the game. That tune was to be in the coveted "Hidden Palace Zone", a level that was supposed to be a secret level in Sonic 2 but was never put in. Eventually, when they put the level in as two levels (Hidden Palace and Sky Sanctuary) in S&K, the original music was scrapped. >< 'Nuff Said. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 17:51:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA26689 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:22:14 -0400 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA26682 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:22:02 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA083690090; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:21:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:21:30 -0400 Message-Id: <950727172129_42226444@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sally's a Human! was: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-26 09:18:31 EDT, you write: >The Sally robot is nearing completion when Snivelly brings >in a memory board and tells Robotnik "here we go - enough >memory to mimic _human_ (emphasis mine) capability" (or >something like that) - hmm, maybe that's another log for the >"what is Sally" flamewar/discussion? :^) Simple explanation: Humans are the most complicated, highly evolved animals on the planet. If you have enough memory to mimic human capability, you have enough memory to mimic ground squirrel capability as well. -B.B. "Portable molecular decomposer. I want one." -Sid Gomez, Tek War: The Series From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 18:22:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27310 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:08:21 -0400 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27304 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:08:10 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA209302858; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:07:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:07:39 -0400 Message-Id: <950727180531_42256681@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-27 14:50:32 EDT, you write: >BTW: Where in the game is Song 10 from. I don't remember >hearing it in the game. That's because it's not in the game. Originally, there was an extra level, but Sega later took it out and left the music in. This is what I want to know: Did Sega physically delete it or did they just not allow access to it? If the level is still in the cartridge somewhere, it's possible to get to it. -B.B. "The trick is to make sure that nobody understands what I'm talking about after the first thirty seconds, that way I'm free to go up and do what I want." -Adrian Stephens, Technical Director for the Sega Technical Institute From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 18:44:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27141 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:00:16 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27136 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:00:05 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA180882373; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:59:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:59:33 -0400 Message-Id: <950727175812_42251324@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-07-26 11:24:24 EDT, lazuli@u.washington.edu (Fred Sloniker) writes: >(a) Which of the game tunes from Sonics 1, 2, 3, K, CD, et >cetera are your absolute favorites? Sonic 1: Marble Zone, Star Light Zone. Sonic 2: Chemical Plant, Aquatic Ruin. Sonic 3: Hydrocity, Ice Cap. Sonic and Knuckles: Flying Battery, Lava Reef, Sky Sanctuary. Sonic CD: Palmtree Panic present, Tidal Tempest present, Stardust Speedway present, Metallic Madness past, Special Zone, Sonic Boom (ending). Chaotix: Door Into Summer, Speed of Sound, Midnight Greenhouse, Moonrise, Tachy Touch. -B.B. "We don't take kindly to big ol' floatin' heads is these parts." -A Cowboy, Relaxation Tape No. 5 From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 18:51:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27321 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:09:13 -0400 Received: from inetgate.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27316 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:09:02 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by inetgate.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA80100 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:16:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:15:27 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09163515.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >You know... long ago on this list I heard at one time a 'live-action Sonic >movie' was being considered (but was never made). I really have to wonder >how to 'visualize' such a thing. Would they dress actors up to 'sorta' >look like the characters (e.g. Mario Brother's movie) or would they make >Sonic computer animated, or would they use the 'Howard the Duck' approach. >Would they keep Jameel White (that Urkel guy) as the voice of Sonic? >Lately I've been curious about this movie. I heard something about it a year or so ago, but don't know any more than you do...I think the coolest idea would be to use computer rendering, with maybe a couple real people... >< Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 19:02:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27602 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:44:21 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA27586 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:44:06 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA00788 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:44:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:44:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, bradc@unix.infoserve.net, james.walt@mercopus.com, pearse@rpi.edu, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950727184403.a878@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sally's a Human! was: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From: BBlaze@aol.com >In a message dated 95-07-26 09:18:31 EDT, you write: "you" = me :^) >>The Sally robot is nearing completion when Snivelly brings >>in a memory board and tells Robotnik "here we go - enough >>memory to mimic _human_ (emphasis mine) capability" > Simple explanation: Humans are the most complicated, highly evolved >animals on the planet. I'll ignore the "evolved" part for now - I don't want to get into a creationism flamewar/discussion :^) >If you have enough memory to mimic human capability, >you have enough memory to mimic ground squirrel capability as well. I can't remember the exact quote, but I'm reminded of Spock's line from Star Trek IV: "only human arrogance assumed the message was for them" :^) Which raises another point: technically the furries on StH aren't all that furry - I see no animal characteristics in them ala Tiny Toons... RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 27 21:21:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA28952 for sonic-ll; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:49:55 -0400 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA28943 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:47:58 -0400 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05539; Thu, 27 Jul 95 18:47:54 MDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 18:47:54 MDT Message-Id: <9507280047.AA05539@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.Edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Here is another song for Robtonik-blimpy and his gistapo. It's Dura Duran-Duran's "Everybody Wants To Rule Thethe World.". -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 00:21:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA00528 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 00:04:25 -0400 Received: from charlie.acc.iit.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA00523 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 00:04:14 -0400 Received: from elof.acc.iit.edu by charlie.acc.iit.edu via SMTP (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) for id XAA08143; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:06:57 -0500 Received: by elof.acc.iit.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA06426; Thu, 27 Jul 95 23:04:05 -0500 From: Victor Ramirez Message-Id: <9507280404.AA06426@elof.acc.iit.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic music... To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:04:03 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <9507280047.AA05539@rgfn.epcc.Edu> from "John W. Johnston" at Jul 27, 95 06:47:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 469 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > > > Here is another song for Robtonik-blimpy and his gistapo. It's Dura > Duran-Duran's "Everybody Wants To Rule Thethe World.". > > > -- > ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu| "They call him, | "Well, he ceratinly has > John W. Johnston | 'the man with | courage." "It won't do > Jedi Knight | no personality." | him any good if he gets > Freelance | - Animaniacs. | himself killed." Star Wars > You mean Tears for Fears ... close tho. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 08:21:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA02880 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:57:49 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA02874 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:57:33 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02511; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:57:26 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA04330; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:55:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9507281155.AA04330@edmund> Subject: Re: Sally's a Human! was: Sonic FAQ File 2/3 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:55:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <950727184403.a878@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at Jul 27, 95 06:44:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Which raises another point: technically the furries on StH aren't all that > furry - I see no animal characteristics in them ala Tiny Toons... > > RDB > Of course, you have to remember we don't see much of them in their "off hours." Usually, it's been all business -- the business in this case being guerilla warfare. But I guess that's where fanfic comes in. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 08:51:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03175 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:27:32 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03170 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:27:21 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02730; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:27:18 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA04773; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:25:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9507281225.AA04773@edmund> Subject: My Secret Shame (re: Sonic music) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:25:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I've been following the thread about the music of the Sonic video games, and I feel I must confess: Not only don't I own a Sega game product of any kind, but the only time I ever tried playing StH (when I rented a Genesis unit and game cartridge overnight), after 4 straight hours I still kept wiping out by falling into the lava during the second level or part or whatever you call it. I'm not about to kid myself: when it comes to video games, I'm pretty pathetic. So I guess it's true what they say about teaching an old (in my case, 43) dog new tricks. There. I said it. Now, back to overcompensating by working on the FAQ File. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 09:00:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03255 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:32:22 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03248 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:32:08 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02779; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:32:04 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA05037; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9507281230.AA05037@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 5./5 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net C. OTHER SOURCES Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ (c)1995: Mahwah, New Jersey: Troll Associates. _Sonic the Hedgehog_ synopsis: Note: Any resemblance between this book and the original comics miniseries shouldn't be surprising; what IS surprising is how far from the TV series this is. Herewith, the "Cliff's Notes" description: Ch.1: At the beginning, Sonic is 7, Robotnik is 15, and both are staying with Uncle Chuck (you get some idea of how non-canonical this is going to get!). While Robotnik is only interested in gadgets, Sonic is only interested in running fast. While Uncle Chuck works on perfecting a power ring, Robotnik cannibalizes parts from Uncle Chuck's old tractor for a robot. When Uncle Chuck starts up the tractor, it goes out of control and heads for Robotnik. Ch. 2: Sonic interrupts a game of one-against-nine baseball to move the tractor which has pinned Robotnik and Uncle Chuck. He's able to move it with the power ring and he takes both Robotnik and Uncle Chuck to the hospital. Ch. 3: After being released from the hospital, Uncle Chuck and Robotnik return home. Robotnik's robot confesses to Uncle Chuck that he was put together with the stolen tractor parts, and Robotnik is grounded. Robotnik cobbles together another robot from Uncle Chuck's major appliances; it grabs Uncle Chuck but Sonic defeats it by wrapping it up in a garden hose. Robotnik leaves. Ch. 4: "Eight years passed." Sonic, 15, has a pet dog, Muttski, and works as a delivery hedgehog for his Uncle Chuck's chili dog stand. Sonic tests his new sneakers (designed by Uncle Chuck) while filling a large order, but in his absence Robotnik returns and arrests "Uncle Chuck" and his robots trash the stand. Ch. 5: Sonic delivers the chili dogs to an old factory, walking into a trap. He escapes and returns to what's left of the stand. He destroys a couple of robots who try to capture him and learns that Robotnik is responsible. He heads off for Robotnik's factory. Ch. 6: Stopping in the forest just outside the factory he encounters "a cute little chipmunk girl": Princess Sally Acorn. She shows Sonic a short-cut to the "Ro-Bo-Machine." Ch. 7: Reaching the fence around the factory, Sonic sees that Uncle Chuck has already been roboticized. Sally tries to stop him, but Sonic goes over the fence. Ch. 8: Sonic goes into Sonic Spin and takes out the SWATbots. With Sally's help, they get Uncle Chuck and Muttski and head for the Great Forest. Ch. 9: Sally leads them to "Knothole Village" which is "under the forest floor." (cf. Sonic #0). Sonic uses a power ring to restore Uncle Chuck and Muttski. None of the other Freedom Fighters are introduced. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ PLOT SYNOPSIS: Ch. 1: Snively interrups Robotnik while he's in the middle of roboticizing Mobians to report that Sonic has joined Sally's cadre of freedom fighters. Robotnik comes up with a plan (via Snively) to capture "one of the weaker freedom fighters" to lure Sonic into a trap. Ch. 2: Nothing much happens as characters are introduced as Sally tries to get a meeting off the ground. A deroboticized Uncle Chuck is part of the Knothole crowd. Ch. 3: Bunnie, Sally, Rotor and Antoine are on patrol when they are attacked by buzzbombers. In the process, Bunnie is captured. Ch. 4: While Bunnie is held prisoner, the Knothole gang comes up with a "Trojan Robotnik" ploy to get inside. Information about the inside of Robotnik's HQ is provided by Uncle Chuck with the aid of a power ring. Ch. 5: You think Robotnik was born yesterday? He lets the image of himself inside his HQ, and still manages to cage Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Antoine and Muttski. Ch. 6: Sonic goes into a spin and cuts the bars of the cage. Sonic takes out a number of bots, and the crew head for Bunnie's holding cell, only to find it empty. Ch. 7: With Muttski tracking the scent, the freedom fighters reach the room where the roboticized is. Sonic has to get past some SWATbots to get inside, but the roboticization of Bunnie has already begun. Ch. 8: Sonic spins into the machinery, destroying it. They get the half-roboticized Bunnie and split. They reach a wall as Bunnie comes to. Angered by what's happened to her, she kicks a hole in the wall. Epilogue: Back at Knothole, Uncle Chuck can't undo what's been done to Bunnie. But she's still got her friends and her heart, so she accepts her new designation as Bunnie Rabbot. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ PLOT SYNOPSIS: Ch. 1: Rotor is being held prisoner by Robotnik in the old royal fortress, which is now Robotnik's headquarters. He shares a cell with a woodchuck named Digger, who says he's from a Freedom Fighter group on the western edge of the Great Forest. Digger tells Rotor about the King's list of freedom fighters. Snively takes Digger away and tells Rotor that Robotnik's looking for the list as well. Ch. 2: Sonic & Bunnie arrive at Robotnik's fortress to bust Rotor out of his cell. Guided by a small transmitter in the lining of Rotor's cap, they locate the cell, take out the bots and "haul some serious haunch" back to Knothole. Ch. 3: Snively reports the escape of Rotor to an unconcerned Robotnik, who is preparing to rip the fortress apart to locate the list. Rotor tells the others about the list and Robotnik's search for it. Sally guesses that the list in question was one of "brave and true warriors" compiled by Sally's father when she was a girl. A box of her father's papers turns out to have a secret compartment which yields the following fragment: ...beside your bed safe and... ...tucked in tight... ...you cannot fall... Ch. 4: Sonic, Sally, Bunnie, Rotor and Antoine set out the following evening. Using a high-frequency generator, they scramble the circuits of the SWATbots at the front gate. Antoine suggests beginning the search with the safe in her father's bedroom. Ch. 5: While Robotnik leads a search of the main level, Snively detects the Freedom Fighters' entry into the fortress. Thinking to score points with Robotnik, Snively plans to capture them himself. The Freedom Fighters arrive at the bedroom, but find Snively and a platoon of SWATbots. Sonic and Bunnie take out the bots while Antoine trips up Snively before he can grab Sally. Unfortunately, they notice that the safe door is open and the safe is empty. Ch. 6: Thinking of the second and third lines of the fragment, Antoine suggests that it might be Sally's old crib--a bed from which one cannot fall. Sneaking to the nursery, they discover that Robotnik hasn't gotten there yet. Rotor tears the mattress apart but finds nothing. Snively arrives and locks the Freedom Fighters in the nursery. Ch. 7: While Snively goes off to find Robotnik, Rotor accidentally bumps into an old music box. Sally suddenly realizes that the fragment of "clues" is actually part of the lyrics of an old lullaby sung to the tune the music box is playing. The lyrics make mention of a clock, which is no longer in the room. Sally guesses that it was hidden in one of the towers. She also remembers a secret passageway from the nursery to the tower. Moving a book on a shelf, a panel slides back, revealing a staircase. Ch. 8: Ascending the staircase, they find the clock in a room filled with old furniture and such, but also find that the clock has been torn apart. Noticing that several pieces of SWATbot are lying about, Sonic and Bunnie get inside the metal parts and act as if the "bot" were escorting the others as prisoners. Robotnik's exultation at finding the list is interrupted when the bot and its "prisoners" arrive. Sonic grabs the list, lays out Robotnik, and the Freedom Fighters escape. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Friend or Foe?_ PLOT SUMMARY: [If you know the plot of the "Game Guy" episode [second season], you pretty much know the plot of this book, though there are several major differences.] Ch. 1: Sally has a nightmare wherein Robotnik displaces her father. Referring to the list that was captured in _Fortress of Fear_, and noting that its descriptions of locations are extremely general, she plans to begin searching in the Caverns in the Great Unknown. Ch. 2: Rotor tests a magnetic field generator, managing to snare Bunnie. While exploring the caverns, they use the generator to dislodge a boulder. Spooked by a swarm of bats, Antoine becomes lost in the cave. Ch. 3: Antoine is found by the bank of an underground river. Using an inflatable raft, they head down the river and are almost hurled over a waterfall. They bed down for the night but awaken in the morning to the sound of approaching SWATbots. Ch. 4: The SWATbots take no notice of the Knothole gang, concentrating on an escaping figure. Sonic helps out the escapee, who turns out to be Ari on his way to free other freedom fighters in his group being held by Robotnik. Ch. 5: Ari explains how his group, which originally numbered 20, has lived on the run. Sonic is all for helping him, but Sally doesn't trust him. When Sonic goes off alone with Ari, Rotor is able to unscramble the bots' orders: to pretend to pursue Ari in order to lure Sonic to a trap. Ch. 6: Sonic and Ari reach the fortress, but not before Sonic pulls Ari out of quicksand. Once inside, Ari lets Sonic get captured. Ch. 7: Sally, Antoine, Rotor and Bunnie are in pursuit of Sonic and Ari. Sonic is deposited into the large pinball game/arena, with the object of avoiding the energy vortex. Ari realizes that his comrades have been roboticized and he's been double-crossed. Ch. 8: The Knothole gang arrive at the fortress and manage to save Ari. He leads them to Sonic. In a major reversal of the TV plot, Ari manages to pull Sonic out of the vortex, then helps him escape the game. As the group approaches Knothole, Ari returns home on his own. OVERSEAS BOOKS: Martin Adams, _Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory_ (c)1993: London: Virgin. Attention WEB-Slingers: The following individuals have set up Sonic the Hedgehog home pages on the World Wide Web. You can access them at: [Note: these addresses are current as of the date of this FAQ file edition; beyond that, I make no claims as to the accuracy of accessing these pages. Many WEB sites do have links to other Sonic pages so give 'em a shot] http://rat.org/bookshire (was: http://www.PrimeNet.Com:80/~rotor/) http://www.ysu.edu/~ptighe/sonic.html http://rat.org/sonic/ ftp://ftp.hff.rat.org/pub/sonic From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 09:22:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03208 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:04 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03199 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:51 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02753; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:48 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA04975; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:28:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9507281228.AA04975@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 2/5 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:28:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net NOTICE: The fact that episode and story summaries appear here means there is a good chance that you will encounter spoilers. This is your only notice! II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE 1. First Season: 1993-94 Super Sonic Writer: Jules Dennis When Nicole malfunctions, Sonic and Sally go to Robotropolis to get replacement parts. While there, they discover the Forbidden Zone and a being named Lezar. Lezar causes Sonic to lose his speed abilities, and teaches him that he can still accomplish things without it. Sonic Boom Writer: Len Janson While on a mission in Robotropolis, Sally intercepts a message which includes the use of her father's pet name for her. They follow the lead to the Dark Swamp and the remains of Ironlock Prison. In the process, a freedom fighter named Cat is captured. The freedom fighters gain maps to Robotropolis, but the search for Sally's father proves futile. Sonic and Sally Writers: Pat Allee and Ben Hurst Before becoming the principle writers for the second season, Allee and Hurst wrote this account of Sally's capture by Robotnik's forces. Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Back in Knothole, Tails begins to doubt Sally's behavior because of small details, such as how she reads a bedtime story. After first dismissing Tails' fears, Sonic also comes to realizes he's been dealing with a "Stepford Sally." Hooked on Sonics Writer: Randy Rogel In an attempt to impress Sally, Antoine tries to capture Robotnik by himself. He attempts to lure Robotnik into the open with the offer of a power ring, but Antoine is himself captured and Sonic has to rescue him. Ultra Sonic Writer: David Villaire While on a raid in Robotropolis, Sonic finds his Uncle Chuck as a robot worker in a crystal mine. Uncle Chuck recovers his mind and will long enough to help destroy a giant crystal which would have damaged the ecosystem of the entire planet. As Uncle Chuck loses control of his will, Sonic vows to return for him. Sonic's Nightmare Writer: Frank Santopadre The freedom fighters are captured and held on a deserted island refinery. Sonic must not only rescue them but he also has to deal with a recurring nightmare where he unable to prevent Sally's being roboticized. Warp Sonic Writer: Matt Uitz The freedom fighters discover an underground civilization called Lower Mobius and one of its citizens, Griff. Lower Mobius draws energy from a power crystal, but it is weakening. Feigning friendship, Griff visits Knothole and steals the power stone which is the source of the power rings. After fighting off some mechanical rats, the power stone is retrieved. Griff apologizes for his theft and is given a portion of the stone to aid Lower Mobius. Harmonic Sonic Writer: David Villaire After Robotnik launches a robot-manned orbiting space station to locate Knothole, the Knothole freedom fighters use a rocket booster to reach and destroy it. Sonic and the Secret Scrolls Writer: Janis Diamond The freedom fighters journey to Mauga (sp?) to recover some legendary scrolls, but Robotnik is tailing them. Robotnik's ship is hurled off a plateau by a violent wind, and the Knothole gang mistakenly believe he is finished. Will they make the same mistake at the end of the second season? Sub-Sonic Writer: Barbara Slade Sonic discovers a stream of water that makes plants grow at a fantastic rate. In their search for the source, the Knothole gang discover a subterranean creature whose habitat has been disturbed by Robotnik's drilling operations. Heads or Tails Writer: Len Janson On a raid of Robotropolis, Sonic runs into Muttski, his now- roboticized pet dog and vows to return him to normal someday. The freedom fighters also have to contend with a squadron of Buzzbombers carrying an orange defoliant [Agent Orange? Hmmmm...] intent on destroying the Great Forest and exposing Knothole. Artwork in this ep is decidedly off-model. Sonic Past Cool Writers: Kayte Kuch & Sheryl Scarborough Tails finds a baby terrapod and the freedom fighters escort the terrapod herd to Boulder Bay, where they will be safe from Robotnik. Sonic Racer Writer: Len Janson While on a mission to disable Robotnik's power generators, Sonic is tempted into participating in a contest against a super-fast robot designed to capture him. While he engages the bot, Bunnie, Sally and Antoine go after their target: Robotnik's back-up generator. 2. Second Season: 1994-95 Game Guy Sonic rescues someone from capture by Robotnik; he turns out to be Ari, a freedom fighter from another group. Ari directs Sonic to a place which turns out to be a trap. Sonic manages to escape (after Robotnik toys with him), but Ari--whose comrades were roboticized and who was himself deceived by Robotnik--is sucked into the Void. Before falling into the Void, Ari says something about a list of other freedom fighters. Sonic Conversion To my way of thinking, THE breakthrough episode for the series! The Knothole gang test a deroboticizing process on Bunnie, whose partially-roboticized body is returned to normal. Sonic then goes after Uncle Chuck and is able to convince him to undergo the process. However, the process turns out to be only temporary as, in a poignant scene, Bunnie reverts to a half-robot. When Uncle Chuck reverts to robotic form, he captures Tails and Antoine for delivery to Robotnik; Sonic confronts him and manages to break the hold on Uncle Chuck's mind. Uncle Chuck returns to Robotropolis to work as a spy for the Knothole gang. No Brainer Sonic's thought processes are temporarily scrambled while on a mission in Robotropolis. Taking advantage of the situation, Snively convinces Sonic that they are friends. The disruption wears off just as the Knothole gang face imminent capture. Blast to the Past (two parts) Dulcy takes Sonic and Sally to a floating island where they use the Time Stones to return to Mobotropolis on the eve of the planet's conquest by Dr. Robotnik (then known as Julian, affiliated with the War Ministry and supposedly in charge of its dismantling). They also encounter themselves as 5-year-olds and learn that it was Sonic's Uncle Chuck who had perfected the roboticizer process in the first place, though Julian/Robotnik stole the process. Sally and Sonic work to keep their child selves from being roboticized, to prevent the Great Forest from being destroyed, and to make sure that Sally's nanny, Rosie, would not get captured. Fed Up With Antoine/Ghost Busted (back to back episodes) Feeling unappreciated, Antoine allows himself to be made "king" by a group of renegades, unaware that with the office comes the "honor" of being an entree./While out camping, Sonic's ghost story panics Tails, and Antoine once more demonstrates his ineptitude. Dulcy Dulcy begins having overpowering urges to fly to Dragonsnest, a nesting site for female dragons. She, Sonic and Sally, arrive just as Robotnik has captured another female dragon; they then discover the dragon's egg inside Dragonsnest. Taking the egg back to Knothole, they rescue the female dragon who returns in time to hatch the egg. The Void Sonic discovers an opening to the Void while out in the "Great Unknown" [another name for the Forbidden Zone?]. Sally and Bunnie are put under a spell and pulled into the Void by a sorcerer named Naugus, who had been imprisoned there years before by Robotnik and who needs Sonic's speed to escape. Sonic learns what has happened from Nicole and allows himself to be pulled into the Void. Attempting to rescue Sally and Bunnie, he is tricked into rescuing what he thinks is Sally's father but is really Naugus. Sonic returns to the Void and finds not only Sally and Bunnie but the King and Ari as well. He brings them all out, but Naugus and the King have spent so much time in the Void that their bodies cannot handle living on Mobius. Naugus breaks off his tormenting of Robotnik, and Sally's father gives her the list of other resistance groups. Sally goes through the emotional rollercoaster ride of her life. The Odd Couple/Ro-Becca (back to back episodes) After a crash landing by Dulcy leaves Sonic homeless he moves in with Antoine, who predictably gets bent out of shape by Sonic's lifestyle./Rotor cobbles together a robot which develops the hots for Antoine. Cry of the Wolf The Knothole freedom fighters search for and discover the Wolf Pack, the remnants of an ancient race who are now one of the other resistance groups. After several unsuccessful attempts to destroy a test pod from the Doomsday Project, Sonic draws it into a lightning storm and destroys it. Drood Henge Sonic and Tails discover an archaeological dig by Robotnik; they learn from Nicole that the object of the search is the Deep Power Stones, and that Robotnik has recovered one of the two. Tails comes up with a plan to retrieve the second stone before Robotnik can get to it. Spyhog On the eve of final preparations of the Doomsday project, Robotnik begins to suspect that there is a spy in his midst. Uncle Chuck's cover is blown, but he escapes capture and goes back underground with a different cover. Doomsday In the season finale, a combined force of the five freedom fighter groups tries to destroy the Doomsday project. Robotnik, however, seems to have too many safeguards built in. As a last resort, Sonic and Sally use the Deep Power Stones. The Doomsday project is destroyed; Robotnik's fate is uncertain but Snively is ready to step into his shoes in a burst of megalomania and overacting. Cliffhanger: who or what does Snively have to help him? We'll never know: ABC chose not to run StH for a third season (see FAQ #9). VOICE CREDITS: SONIC: Jaleel White SALLY: Kath Soucie NICOLE: Kath Soucie (uncredited) TAILS: Bradley Pierce BUNNIE: Christine Cavanaugh ANTOINE: Rob Paulsen ROTOR: Mark Ballou (1st season) Cam Brainard (2d season) DULCY: Cree Summer Franks UNCLE CHUCK: William Windom ROBOTNIK: Jim Cummings SNIVELY: Charlie Adler ADDITIONAL VOICES: (First season): David Doyle Gaille Heindenmann Dana Hill Danny Mann Jason Marsden Charlie Schlatter Frank Welker (Second season): Shari Belafonte: Lupee (?) Michael Bell: Naugus (?) Crystal Cooke Tim Curry: Sally's father; Keeper of the Time Stones Dave Fennoy Dorian Harewood John Kassir Katie Leigh Nancy Linari Victor Love Tahj Mowry Hal Rayle Alaina Reed Hall Lindsay Ridgeway April Winchell Want to contact DiC? Write or phone: DiC 303 North Glenoaks Blvd. Burbank, CA 91502 (818) 955-5400 (818) 955-5696 (FAX) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 09:30:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03191 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:38 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03185 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:25 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02749; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:21 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA04952; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:27:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9507281227.AA04952@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 1/5 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:27:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ - //|\__/ \\ ___- \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ ascii Sonic by Han J. Lee |====================== THE SONIC FAQ FILE =====================| July 28, 1995 edition Compiled by: Daniel J. Drazen Contributors: Chris Baird, Ron Bauerle, Brad Clark, James Firmiss, Maureen Furniss, John W. Johnston, Craig Moore, Michiyo Nakajima, Paula O'Keefe, Eric E. Pearson, Jeff Pegnato, David Pistone, Alessandro Sanasi, Erich Schulman, Fred Sloniker, Andy White, Shawn Wolski Address all comments, corrections, contributions and flames to: drazen@andrews.edu ***************************************************************** WHAT'S NEW?: [Note: There WILL be spoilers. You have been warned. DJD] This represents an expanded synosis of the second of Teitelbaum's books. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ PLOT SYNOPSIS: Ch. 1: Snively interrups Robotnik while he's in the middle of roboticizing Mobians to report that Sonic has joined Sally's cadre of freedom fighters. Robotnik comes up with a plan (via Snively) to capture "one of the weaker freedom fighters" to lure Sonic into a trap. Ch. 2: Nothing much happens as characters are introduced as Sally tries to get a meeting off the ground. A deroboticized Uncle Chuck is part of the Knothole crowd. Ch. 3: Bunnie, Sally, Rotor and Antoine are on patrol when they are attacked by buzzbombers. In the process, Bunnie is captured. Ch. 4: While Bunnie is held prisoner, the Knothole gang comes up with a "Trojan Robotnik" ploy to get inside. Information about the inside of Robotnik's HQ is provided by Uncle Chuck with the aid of a power ring. Ch. 5: You think Robotnik was born yesterday? He lets the image of himself inside his HQ, and still manages to cage Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Antoine and Muttski. Ch. 6: Sonic goes into a spin and cuts the bars of the cage. Sonic takes out a number of bots, and the crew head for Bunnie's holding cell, only to find it empty. Ch. 7: With Muttski tracking the scent, the freedom fighters reach the room where the roboticized is. Sonic has to get past some SWATbots to get inside, but the roboticization of Bunnie has already begun. Ch. 8: Sonic spins into the machinery, destroying it. They get the half-roboticized Bunnie and split. They reach a wall as Bunnie comes to. Angered by what's happened to her, she kicks a hole in the wall. Epilogue: Back at Knothole, Uncle Chuck can't undo what's been done to Bunnie. But she's still got her friends and her heart, so she accepts her new designation as Bunnie Rabbot. **************************************************************** I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS C. OTHER SOURCES I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ============================= Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. Q5: "Sally Acorn?" Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? Q7: What happened with the Princess Sally miniseries? Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? ================================================================ Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? A: The writers of Sonic comics solicited reader responses to this question; the replies were printed in issue #2 ("All The Mail's About Tails!"). Theories range from transplantation to mutation. The latest entry is in the Sonicgram of #22. They state that Tails just happened to be born that way--with no other comment (thus illustrating the difference between an Explanation and an Answer). At this point, there is no "official" explanation as to how Tails got that way, so you're pretty much free to believe what you like. Personally, I prefer the theory that it is a mutation, induced by Robotnik's pollution of Mobius. This would accord with the fact that Tails had not been born when Robotnik took over (cf. Q6). Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? A: No, his real name is "Miles Prower" (you have to say it sorta fast to get the joke). That was his name when he was introduced on the front screen of the Sonic 2 video game. Tails was given as his nickname, and it stuck. Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. A:This argument has been put forward by the "Sally is a fox" camp (see below). However, if that were true, then he'd also be related to Bunnie, as he's been known to address her as "Aunt Bunnie." For that matter, it seems that everyone in the Knothole gang refers to Sir Charles Hedgehog as "Uncle Chuck," though he's technically only uncle to Sonic. While it was not explicitly stated in either the comics or in the cartoons, it has to be kept in mind that all of the freedom fighters' families were disrupted by Robotnik's takeover of Mobius. It's safe to assume that they all have had relatives who have ended up being roboticized. As a result, they have become not so much a paramilitary resistance group as a loose-knit family. Sonic, for instance, clearly relates to Tails as if the latter was his little brother, the difference in species notwithstanding. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. A: Admittedly, it's trickier to spot some species in the series than others. Herewith is the list: Sonic and Sir Charles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .hedgehogs Bunnie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rabbit Tails. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Rotor. . . . . . . . . . . . . .walrus (sea lion, cf. Teitelbaum) Antoine D'Coolette . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Sally Acorn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ground squirrel/chipmunk Sally's father . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox The identification of Sally as a ground squirrel is based on extended discussion of the topic on Internet {alt.fan.furry and rec.arts.animation). She was also declared to be a ground squirrel in the comics, most recently in the Sonicgram of Sonic #19. As for the designation "ground squirrel/chipmunk", which has been questioned by at least one correspondent, I entered it this way on the assumption that the two terms were synonymous. I have consulted a dictionary, which states that the term "ground squirrel" applies to several kinds of rodents, including the chipmunk genus _Tamias_. Given the present ambiguity, the designation will remain as is. Despite this, controversy continues. Identifying Sally's species has been particularly vexing to some fans, especially those who reason that since Sally's father is clearly a fox, then she must be one herself. It is possible that Sally takes after her mother in this regard more than her father. Cross-species mating is a definite possibility, and an example is implied in the "flashforward" at the end of "Sally's Crusade" [Sonic: In Your Face #1]. At this point, the identification of Sally's nanny, Rosie, remains ambiguous. Given her buck teeth, she could be either a beaver or a woodchuck. Since she is always shown wearing a long cloak, I've been unable to spot the character beaver tail. Final identification is still pending. Q5: "Sally Acorn"? A: This is how she was identified as far back as the beginning of the comics [Sonic Miniseries, #0, Mar 1993]. Technically, royalty do not have surnames or family names in the accepted sense; rather, the title of the personage tends to serve the purpose. Her middle name, Alicia, is apparently seldom used (cf. "Blast to the Past," part 1). If you wanted to be grandiose about it, Sally's formal title would be: Sally Alicia, Princess of the House of Acorn. But in any event it's unlikely that Sally's formal title will come back into use so long as Robotnik is in charge. Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? A: According to the TV series ["Blast to the Past: part 1"] Sonic and Sally were both 5 years old when Sally's father was overthrown and Robotnik took over. Two other age clues were given in the "Drood Henge" episode: that Tails was 10 years old, and that Sally wouldn't "come of age" for another two years. At one point, Sally's age is explicitly given as being 16, though the comics reportedly put both Sally and Sonic at age 15. Subtracting 5 from 16 leaves the number of years Robotnik has been in charge: 11. Thus, it would appear that Tails was born after the fall of the House of Acorn. Still, the simplest way out of this dilemma would be to put the age of majority on Mobius at 17 instead of 18; that would eliminate the extra year differential without altering the stated ages of Sonic and Sally (in the comics) or of Tails (in "Drood Henge"). Q7: What happened with the Princess Sally miniseries? A: Archie Comics was supposed to roll out a three-part miniseries starring Sally as the main character, but its introduction was delayed--a situation acknowledged in the SonicGram of #21. The story actually began with "Deadliest of the Species" in Sonic #20. The cover art for the miniseries, however, differed in subsequent advertisements: one cover for the first issue prominently featured Geoffrey St. John, while another did not. The third issue cover either does or doesn't feature Sally doing battle with a clone of herself, depending upon where you see it. Two different versions of the cover for #2 appeared in Sonic #22. The fact that the Sally creative team PLUS Archie Comics PLUS Sega reportedly came together to discuss "improving" the series (as reported in Sonic #21 -- hence the delay) would seem to indicate that someone had come down with a case of "creative differences." In any event, the "improved" Sally miniseries began shipping the week of Feb 13, after a slight delay. Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? A: How, in other words, is Sonic able to run so fast? Apparently the same way you get to Carnegie Hall in the old joke: practice. I'm serious; here is the only print explanation I've come across so far: "Years ago, when things were right on Mobius, there lived a hedgehog named Sonic.... Sonic was only interested in running as fast as he could. Every day he practiced." [Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_. Mahwah, NJ: Troll, 1993, pp.7- 8]. And that's the extent of Teitelbaum's explanation. Thanks a heap, Mike! Chris Baird may be onto something, and it looks like he wants to force the issue by asking Archie Comics about "The rumor going around the Internet that [Sonic] got his speed from falling into a vat of power rings when he was a baby." Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: There are now three answers to this question -- one appears to be definitive, but the other two are more fun. Believe what you like: 1) ABC got clobbered in the SatAM ratings of the November sweeps because the show was up against the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox. Despite the fact that ABC shifted Sonic to an earlier time slot (doing so without warning just before the first airing of the "Doomsday" episode), Fox jazzed with its schedule so that MMPR was once more up against Sonic. This 1-2 punch was enough to do it. Source for this item: someone from within the offices of Archie Comics, as posted to alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. 2) DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. 3) ABC's kidvid programming has lately been adhering to a policy of "two seasons and out" for shows. Though it's possible that some ideas only last two seasons because they're kinda bankrupt to begin with. ================================================================= From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 09:33:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03474 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:56:01 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03467 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:55:46 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA12756 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:55:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 8:55:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, bradc@unix.infoserve.net, pearse@rpi.edu, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950728085545.bc2b@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Furriness, was Re: Sally's a Human! Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >> Which raises another point: technically the furries on StH aren't all that >> furry - I see no animal characteristics in them ala Tiny Toons... >>RDB >Of course, you have to remember we don't see much of them in their "off >hours." Usually, it's been all business -- the business in this case >being guerilla warfare. A fair point... >But I guess that's where fanfic comes in. To be honest, I don't remember seeing much of it there either :^) Note: this is _not_ a complaint; it really doesn't bother me, mainly because I know the characters (not necessarily what kind of furry they are though :^)), so I don't need extra details in the story to describe them to me. OTOH, stories like Brynne or Human Memoirs on alt.fan.furry, _did_ need the extra furry details, because nobody knew the characters (plus they don't have the advantage Sonic and TTA do of having a visual basis in the cartoon to provide a frame of reference). RDB, wondering if anybody followed all that mumbling... From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 09:48:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03237 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:31:14 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03231 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:31:00 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02769; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:57 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA05015; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9507281229.AA05015@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 4/5 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net #21 [Apr 1995]: "3 Phases of E.V.E" /Spaziante Robotnik unleashes E.V.E. ["exceptionally versatile evolvoid"] to capture Sonic. As Sonic manages to outsmart E.V.E., it simply adapts to another form to compensate. Sonic lures it to Robotnik's headquarters where, assuming a self-conscious form, E.V.E. determines that it is being held back by its biological inheritance from Sonic and Robotnik [i.e., individual cells used in E.V.E.'s creation]. E.V.E. toasts Robotnik, but thanks to some quick thinking by Sonic--apparently, Sally's influence is rubbing off on him ;-) -- E.V.E. spares Sonic and travels out into space on a journey of self-actualization. Is Robotnik really history? That's the tease--stay tuned. Sonicgram: announcement of the delay in rolling out the Sally miniseries; another special issue (48pp) due out in May. Princess Sally Mini-series #1 [April 1995] Summary by Ron Bauerle "Deadliest of the Species!" written by Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders, art by Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski. Opens with a nice splash page summarizing the struggle so far and describes the main characters (get this: "Antoine is renouned for his military skills" - okayyyy...). Next it recaps Sally's meeting Geoffrey St. John...in StH #20. Sally & Geoffrey are attacked by SWATbots after destroying the facility and manage to beat them off [hey, Ron, let's leave their private lives out of this ;-) ] and exchange some banter in the process (I can't call it friendly but it's not really sarcastic either). They then head back to the camp where some young trainee freedom fighters are waiting for Sally. Geoffrey mistakes them for enemies and jumps a pig (Hamlin) but they're separated by Sally. This establishes some bad blood between Hamlin and Geoffrey that continues all issue. The team proceeds to its next target (an energy substation) and after battling SWATbots and ORBbots manage to destroy it. During the battle Geoffrey saves Hamlin's life but Hamlin still doesn't trust him. That night, when everyone else is asleep, Geoffrey slips away, activates a teleportal, enters some kind of building and descends to its basement where he speaks to a figure in a glass case: Sally!? Also some fan art: two pics of Sally & Bunnie (both NBD), and one of Sally as a dominatrix (!). #22 [May 1995] "The Return" Penders/Spaziante & Harvey M. The story opens with Sonic & Sally MCW (Married with Children; cf. the end of "Sally's Quest" in _In Your Face #1_). Sonic & Sally are out with the kids when, during a lightning storm, an apparition of Robotnik appears and just as suddenly disappears. Have your pencils and scorecards ready to try and follow the remainder of the plot: Robotnik is actually on a satellite talking with Robo-Robotnik from "Night of a Thousand Sonics," (#19), only in this case only the consciousness of Robo-Robotnik (hereinafter "R-R") remains resident. Robotnik convinces R-R to teleport him back to Mobius, where it turns out Snively has activated an alternative Doomesday device which would go off if Robotnik was ever defeated. Robotnik actually deactivates "Operation Wasteland" himself to keep from being ruler over nothing and to have the pleasure of saying to Sonic: "You owe me!" Robotnik and Sonic MWC are declared to be at a stalemate. What about R-R? Who knows? Muddled story saved by Spaziante artwork. "Tails Knighttime Story," Decesare/Manak & John Dagostino As Tails grumps about "get[ting] baby-sat" while Sonic has all the fun and adventures, Sally tells him a bedtime story wherein Sonic is Sir Runalot and Tails is his page who "borrows" his armour one day and who, mistaken for the aforementioned knight, ends up doing battle with Sir Knightmare of Robotannia (guess who?) until the real Sir Runalot saves his...er...tails. Sonicgram: the comics should get a FAQ File, since two letters pepper them with questions (most are answered: "Keep reading." Translation: "we're working on it!"). The cover of Princess Sally #2 in an ad on the same page differs from one which appears on p. 17 of the same issue(!), thus bolstering the "creative differences" theory in Q7. Princess Sally Miniseries #2 [May 1995] "Deadliest of the Species": Part 2 Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney (Summary by Erich Schulman): The story opens with a fight between St. John and Hamlin, and Sally gives Hamlin a scolding. To reach the third, undestroyed substation, the freedom fighters use a new (!?) technology: hang gliders. Arlo's hang glider is hit by the defenses and he is wounded in action; Penelope volunteers to stay with him. Once inside, Sally and St. John are attacked by an octopod, and everyone barely manages to escape the explosions. Upon leaving, they find that Arlo and Penelope are gone. Sally says they will return to camp without them (to which Hamlin is opposed). Did you have your doubts about St. John? That night, St. John replaces Sally with a lookalike robot and delivers the real Sally to Robotnik. Fan mail (singular; only one letter appears): Will Sonic and Sally marry? "Could be." Has Sally met Knuckles? She will in a forthcoming 48-page S&K special. Does Sally have a mother, and if so what does she look like? "Of course...her origin may yet be told." Or [shameless plug] you can read about it in "Bloodlines" in the fanfic section of Rotor's homepage. #23 [Jun 1995] "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" Decesare/Manak Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Tails, Robotnik and Snively are all captured by Car-Heem, a giant alien who wants to study them. In order to save Robotnik from "disposal," Sonic convinces Car-Heem that they are interdependent species, a novelty to the autonomous Car-Heem. Thanks to a diversion by Sonic, the others escape their confinement in a craft of Robotnik's design. Although Robotnik blows Car-Heem and Sonic out of Car-Heem's spacecraft's airlock, Rotor retrieves them. In gratitude, Car-Heem returns everyone to Mobius and Rotor, inspired, releases the inhabitants of his ant farm [Heavy Message]. There's also a really bad pun which I'm not going to reveal. Do-It-Yourself Sonic Contest winners announced. "Vol-ANT-teer" Decesare/Manak Antoine ventures into Robotropolis alone to retrieve Tails' lost backpack with a power ring in it. Bunnie shadows him just in case. Surprising last panel gives the impression that Antoine isn't exactly clueless. Sonicgram: Further indication that Knuckles will put in an appearance in the next Sonic special, though no hint as to his allegiance; look for an appearance by Knack the Weasel [c.f., the Triple Trouble game] in the same issue. Sally Miniseries #3 [June 1995] "Deadliest of the Species, Part III" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney (Summary: James Firmiss) (Recap of parts 0, 1 and 2 omitted) Sally, Hamlin and Dylan are fighting their way into Robotropolis with paint guns and grenades (blinding SWATbots). Dylan believes that attacking at half strength isn't wise, yet they press on. Hamlin nearly falls from a collapsing catwalk but Sally rescues him. They eventually reach their objective, break down the doors and find...Robotnik, St. John and Sally (in the container). Hamlin believes Geoffrey to be a traitor so he jumps him. Sally breaks it up and says she and St. John are on the same side. Robotnic reveals that Sally is an auto-automaton, a perfect robot duplicate, and that there was no weakness in the defense system. His master plan is to replace key members of the freedom fighters--we see auto-automatons of Sonic and Tails being built. Robotnik also plans to roboticize the Sally delivered to him by St. John. Robotnik begins the roboticization process but the chamber blows up because a "feedback loop" has occurred. Something which is impossible unless...he were trying to roboticize a robot! The real Sally was with Dylan and Hamlin. Sally tries to 'arrest' Robotnik, but large StealthBots emerge from the walls and capture the freedom fighters. Note: you could see the outlines of the StealthBots 5 pages back. St. John pushes a button on a remote control and a vehicle burrows its way up through the floor. Out pop Penelope, Arlo and three "moles". They help free Sally, Dylan and Hamlin (more paint guns). Robotnik manages to activate a 30-second self-destruct and disappears down an escape chute. Sally and the others all head for the vehicle maintenance area and grab saucer-shaped air cars (from Hanger 18! X-P ) and get out with no time to spare. With everyone back at the base, Hamlin, Penelope, Arlo and Dylan are promoted to full-fledged freedom fighters. Sally tries to convince Geoffrey to come to Knothole but he declines in order to rejoin the Rebel Underground. He does engage Sally in some serious lip-locking before they part. If you're not confused yet, here's a run-down of the plot- twists, as Sally explains them at the end: The FIRST Sally switch occurred right at the beginning of Part 1 shortly after meeting St. John. St. John really was the leader of the "Rebel Underground" and acted as a double agent in order to gain Robotnik's trust and activate the robot double prematurely in order to find out what its plans were. It was the auto-automaton Sally that helped attack the 2d and 3d substations. It was such a good copy that it could give orders, make hard choices, and even grieve for missing comrades. But did you notice the two clues that would have tipped you off that this was an automated Sally: 1. "Auto" Sally wore a purple vest instead of a blue one. 2. "Auto" Sally referred to Geoffrey by his first name, while the real Sally always called him "Mr. St. John." The SECOND Sally switch occurred in Part II, when Robotnik (and the reader) was supposed to think that Sally was being replaced by a robot double. And what about Arlo and Penelope? They were taken away by the moles from the literal Rebel UNDERGROUND. The Rebel Underground was also supposed to be backup in case anything unexpected happened. "This is definitely one of the most complicated stories Archie's Sonic group has ever come up with. Congrats...." JF SallyGram: Horace Hawkins (14) wishes Sally a Happy Valentine's Day, and expresses the desire to be her boyfriend. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Scott Fulop (Editor) asks if there is interest in a MONTHLY Sally comic. If so, send a postcard with the following: Give me Princess Sally. Monthly. NOW!!! to: SallyGrams c/o Archie Comic Publishing 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island; and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. Sonic & Knuckles 48 page special [1995] (based on summaries by James Firmiss) "Panic in the Sky!" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney (Part 1), Manak (Part 2) The Mobians living on the western shore of "the Great Continent" [you'd think that Mobians would have come up with another adjective besides "Great": viz.: the Great Forest, the Great Swamp, the Great Unknown, etc. See also the "all-purpose" use of the word _hrair_, or "thousands" by rabbits in Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. But I digress....] are alarmed by the approach of a floating island. Sally and the gang realize that the island is on course for Knothole; Sonic explains to the group (for the first time!?) that he and Tails were on the island a while back and met Knuckles. Antoine flies Sonic and Tails in the turboprop, dodging antiaircraft fire from the underside of the island. After landing on the island, seeing giant mushrooms and avoiding some traps, Sonic falls into one trap and again meets Knuckles. Since this is the second time Sonic has been caught trespassing, Knuckles is about to send him over the edge of the island. Tails tries dropping a rock on Knuckles from above to avoid this from happening, but it ends up that Tails has to rescue both Sonic and Knuckles by airlifting them to safety. It appears that Robotnik is "hijacking" the island by somehow draining the energy from the Chaos Emerald which keeps the island afloat. Already having established a presence on the island, Robotnik has installed weapons on the underside and plans to use the island as a flying fortress to attack Knothole. Knuckles won't allow the island to be used this way; he smashes the Chaos Emerald. With the island losing altitude, Robotnik abandons it, expecting that it'll still smash into Knothole (though how he suddenly knows of Knothole's location is unclear). But Knuckles replaces the "real" Chaos Emerald just in time--I'd tell you how he switched it with a phony one which was the one he broke, but I don't understand it either. Knuckles turns down an invitation to join the Knothole gang; part of his stewardship of the island now involves disarming it since Robotnik is gone. "Fire Drill" Penders/Art: Jon D'Agostino Knuckles investigates an explosion on the island, suspecting that it's Sonic. Catching just a glimpse of an intruder, he follows him to places unfamiliar even to him(!). As the trail leads off the edge of the island, he still thinks it's Sonic; however, we catch a glimpse of a shadowy presence still on the island. Must be Nack the Weasel -- check out the SonicGram in issue #23 for a hint. "Lord of the Floating Island" Penders/Harvey Mercadoocasio While patroling the island on a windy day, he spots a lost joey (baby kangaroo) names Bengy. The kid asks Knuckles to bring back the sky; Knuckles explains that there's an eclipse in progress and that's what's causing the winds. They avoid a pack of (biped) dingoes as Knuckles goes into further exposition about the island-- how it's a paradise which some parties (Sonic and Robotnik) want to change. They eventually find Bengy's mom. Knuckles' exit line: "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" The entire story appears to exist to supply needed exposition and to nudge Knuckles closer to the Good Guy category. No SonicGrams, but announcements: Sonic #25 will have a silver ink cover and feature Mecha Sonic; dated August '95. Also slated for that month: a Sonic Triple Trouble 48-page special featuring Nack the Weasel; it will also include a Sonic v. Knuckles story, a Knuckles solo story, and a Tails solo story. Another 48-page special -- Knuckles Chaotix -- is schedules for November '95. Solo Knuckles stories will appear in Sonics #31-33 (Feb-Apr '96) and a Knuckles 3-parter will begin Jan '96. #25 [Aug 1995] "Go Ahead...Mecha My Day" (the only story in this issue) Story: Mike Gallagher Art: Pat Spaziante based on summary by James Firmiss In a bow to the CD game, the story focuses on the freedom fighters' discovery of the Collision Chaos Zone, a "zone portal." Robotnik tries to lure Sonic into the zome portal by kidnapping his #1 fan: Amy Rose, the pink hedgehog (remember her?). Based on her dialogue on page 14, I'd describe her in Foghorn Leghorn terms: "Nice kid, but about as sharp as a sack full of wet mice." Tails investigates from the air and is captured instead. To rescue both Amy and Tails, Sonic must race through the new zones and do battle with Robotnik's Mecha-Sonic. Spaziante's artwork of Sally in this issue is surprising, in that her shape has gotten...well, more shapely. I don't remember her having that much of a bustline in issue #21! Still no SonicGrams; another repeat announcement of the Triple Trouble and Chaotix specials, as well as the Knuckles and Tails miniseries. Also staff artwork. #26 [Sep 1995] "Way, Way Past Cool" Script: A. Decesare; Pencil: D. Manak; Ink: J. D'Agostino Sonic, Tails, Sally, Rotor and Antoine find themselves in a snowstorm...in the middle of summer. Of course it's a plot by Dr. Robotnik: after lowering the temperature on Mobius, he will use infrared heat sensors to locate the warm-blooded freedom fighters. Sonic and the gang take shelter (such as it is) in a cave, where they encounter a group of polar Mobians--they were trapped down south when Robotnik took over and have lived in hiding ever since. After initially attacking the Weather Annihilator with a snowball-loaded catapult, the Knothole gang is captured by Snively. The polar Mobians, however, come to their aid and Sonic destroys the Annihilator. The polar Mobians return north to their home, inspired to put up more of a resistance. This story has inspired renewed argument over species identification since one of the polar Mobians [Erma, presumably an ermine] looks something like Sally. However, Erma doesn't have the white winter coat associated with a true ermine, nor is her tail long and tipped with black, nor is her body long and slender. But, hey, we're talking design by Manak here! Wadja expect? Additional problems/flamebait: Where did the catapult come from? If Sally decided not to wear a vest because of the summer heat, how come she's still got her boots on? [Then again, I'm convinced that furries are Not Clear On The Concept when it comes to clothing]. And why is Sonic shown skittering across the surface of a river in the story's opening when the character guide to Sonic clearly states that Sonic is a non-swimmer and would ordinarily avoid water? Fan art "Fortified" Story: A. Decesare; Pencil: A. Mawhinney; Ink: R. Koslowski The Knothole gang (the cast of the above story PLUS Bunnie!) are in the mountains, trying to keep ahead of Robotnik--not easy, since Sonic has a sprained ankle. Bunnie discovers an old fort, complete with an old muzzle-loading cannon and a blacksmith's forge. Robotnik's "bus" crashes into the fort, only to confront Bunnie, suited up in improvised body armour. She takes out Robotnik's SWATbots and maneuvers the bus to crash through the fort wall and roll back down the mountain. FINALLY an appearance by Bunnie! [One has to wonder whether her (largely out-of-the-way) role in "Vol-Ant-eer" in Sonic #23 even counts as an appearance.] Mawhinney, though, seems to draw her a little on the "squashed" side. After Spaziante's rendering of Sally in Sonic #25, I wonder how *he'd* draw Bunnie. SonicGrams: In-house humor featuring Fulop, Mendez, Pepitone and Pauley [DJD: Leave it at the water cooler, guys!]. Hint that the upcoming StH Triple Trouble special issue will feature Tails in a Sea Fox submarine solo story, by way of warming up for the Happy Fun Fox miniseries in the fall. Question about why the SWATbots carrying out Operation Wasteland in Sonic #22 went after Robotnik and Snively [DJD: What part of "total destruction" don't you understand?]; a fan from Canada complains about Bunnie's seldom appearing in the comics [DJD: Hear! Hear!]; fan letter for Tails from Cleveland. Also cover art for #27 and the Triple Trouble special. NOTES FROM THE NET: that's the heading suggested for comix- related posts to a.f.s-h by none other than Paul Castiglia of Archie Comics. Seems P.C. thinks that NftN would make a good subsection of the Sonic Grams, and said so in a recent post. The idea is that you can post to a.f.s-h, and your post (and e-mail address if you want) will be reprinted in NftN. But ONLY if you specify that it's for NftN. Apparently Archie Comics is still getting a feel for whether they should go ahead with the plan, so let's see some support for it! Hmmm, wonder if Sally's e-mail address is princess@frdmftrs.org ? COMIC PUBLISHERS: For subscriptions and back issues--US & Canada: Archie Comics 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 (914) 381-5155. $15.00/year US monthly $18.00/year CAN monthly For subscriptions and back issues--United Kingdom (Fleetway Editions comics): Sonic The Comic Subscription Dept. OR Back Issue Zone Aim Ltd. P.O. Box 10 Pallion Industrial Estate Sunderland, SR4 6SN UNITED KINGDOM 01144-91-5102290 L28.60 (=28 pounds, 60 pence)/year UK fortnightly L45.00/year Europe fortnightly L47.00/year Overseas surface mail fortnightly L55.00/year Overseas airmail fortnightly From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 09:55:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03227 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:43 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03220 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:28 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02761; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:24 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA04982; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:28:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9507281228.AA04982@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File 3/5 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:28:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS [CONTRIBUTIONS WELCOME] Now, direct from the Great White North, Brad Clark summarizes the original four-part Sonic miniseries: Issue 0 "Don't Cry For Me, Mobius" Story: Michael Gallagher, Art: Scott Shaw! Sonic is chased by Dr. Robotnik. After the chase, which Robotnik loses, Sonic returns to Knothole where most of the main characters are introduced for the first time. (Note: Rotor is referred to as "Boomer.") Antoine then announces that there is a leak in Knothole (Knothole is located underground in this issue) that is caused by Robotnik. Sonic defeats Robotnik with a power ring. "The Royal Family of Mobius" Gallagher/Shaw! Takes place before Robotnik was in power and has Sonic and Uncle Chuck running a chilidog take-out stand. Robotnik destroys the stand and captures Muttski and Uncle Chuck. Sonic meets Sally (with yellow hair and red fur) who introduces him to the rest of the freedom fighters in Knothole. Issue 1 "Run, Sally, Run" Gallagher/Shaw! Sally [this time with pink fur and black hair] goes to see Robotnik about the return of her father. Robotnik captures Sally and almost throws her into the "Robo-machine." Sonic rescues Sally only to discover that Sally had wanted to get caught in order to gather information on the roboticizer, using some special boots designed by Boomer/Rotor. Issue 2 "A Crowning Achievement" Gallagher/Shaw! Sally decides to wear the "Crown of the Acorn Kings" which belonged to her father, but the crown is missing. They discover a robotic freedom fighter who tells them that Robotnik has stolen the crown and has scattered its jewels (the four Chaos Emeralds) throughout the land. Sonic retrieves the emeralds and Boomer/Rotor repairs the crown. Issue 3 "Sonic Flashback" Gallagher & Shaw! Sonic and Robotnik recall when they were kids. Uncle Chuck invents the power rings. Sonic and Robotnik have an argument, and it escalates until Robotnik is constructing mechanical monsters out of Uncle Chuck's appliances. Sonic then wakes up -- it was all just a daydream -- and resumes being chased by Robotnik. "Why Ask Spy" Sonic is made to look like a robot to trick Robotnik and to destroy one of his factories. In the process, Sonic discovers Uncle Chuck and Muttski who have both been roboticized. Sonic destroys the factory. And a tip of the ol' freedom fighters' fedora to JOHN W. JOHNSTON for supplying summaries for issues 1-15 plus 17: #1 [Aug 1993] "Meet Me At The Corner of Hedgehog and Vine!" Story: M. Gallagher; art: D. Manak One of Robotnik's SWATbots develops a mechanical plant called "Krudzu" and modifies a Burrobot to plant its seeds in the Great Forest. Antoine, depressed because Sally only pays attention to Sonic, decides to get her a bouquet of flowers. He gets caught by the Krudzu, Sonic saves him, and they discover that the Krudzu is not waterproof. "You Bet My Life!" Gallagher & Manak Boomer/Rotor discovers that Robotnik is making a big presentation in the Casino Night Zone. Sonic crashes the party, only to be subdued by Robotnik's newest baddie: Orbinaut. He is put in a giant pinball machine and sent through a very rough ride. When he escapes from the pinball machine, Sonic blows up the casino and puts Robotnik into orbit. [Notes: Apparently the casino was rebuilt for "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." (#16); the pinball (Spinball?) plot was used to better effect later on in the "Game Guy" episode of the TV series; Rotor was still being called "Boomer" at this time. DJD] #2 [Sep 1993] "Triple Trouble" Gallagher/Manak Robotnik sends his newest badnik, Coconuts, after Sonic and Tails. When they send Coconuts' parts back COD, Robotnik sends two more badniks, Scratch and Grounder, after Sonic. [No, this has no relation to the Game Gear game. It does, however, set up the characters from the syndicated TV series. DJD] "Vertigo A Go Go!" Gallagher/Manak Sonic is out collecting rings when he warps into an extremely warped zone where he meets two friends, Al and Cal. "All The Mail's About Tails" Gallagher (rewrite)/Manak Sonic and Tails read letters from fans who express their opinions about how Tails got his two tails. One theory was: one of Tails' ancestors was owned by Charles Dickens (A Tails of Two Cities). Another theory was that Tails was a mutant (and couldn't get a job with the X-Men). Another theory says he was a loss leader at a carnival freak show. Another theory says he was one of Dr. Frankenstein's creations. Another theory says that Tails has Antoine's tail (and hair). And another theory involved something dealing with evolution. #3 [Oct 1993] "The Bomb Bugs Me" Gallagher/Manak Sonic informs Sally and Boomer/Rotor that Robotnik has "the bomb." To trick Robotnik, they project a picket line on a wall outside his office. Boomer/Rotor disguises himself as Robotnik to trick Crabmeat into giving "the bomb" to the freedom fighters, but this plan backfires when Robotnik shows up dressed in a Boomer suit. "Rabbit Deployment" Gallagher/Manak Sonic and Boomer/Rotor travel to the Southern Section of Mobius (Sonic pulling Boomer who wears inline skates). They come across two SWATbots who have thrown a captured rabbit into a portable roboticizer. They are delayed in rescuing her because they are "tied up." They finally shut down the roboticizer and take it and the half rabbit-half robot with them. When she recovers, she gives her name as Bunnie Rabbot and demonstrates her abilities. Meanwhile the forest above Knothole is being trashed by a giant burrobot. When Sonic gets zapped, Bunnie picks up the burrobot and throws it 50 meters. Sonic then traps the burrobot by burying it. [This represents the first attempt to explain the origins of Bunnie. Since then, both fanfic and professional efforts -- Teitelbaum's second book: Robotnik's Revenge -- have covered the same ground. The situation is complicated by the fact that Bunnie appears as one of the children in Blast to the Past, and so wouldn't be a stranger to the Knothole Gang. In fact, BttP, part 2 featured a tease of Bunnie about to be roboticized as a child. Note also that Knothole is still an underground base at this time. DJD] #4 [Nov 1993] "The Lizard of Odd!" Gallagher/Manak Due to a roboticizer mishap caused by Buzzbomber, Robotnik turns a small salamander into his most powerful badnik [No, it's not Newt Gingrich! DJD]: Universalamander. When Sonic tries to attack him, Universalamander eats Sonic. Sonic escapes by making "Lizard Lips" belch. To defeat him, Sonic transforms into Super Sonic, gets an important component from the confiscated roboticizer [see above, "Rabbit Deployment"], and cuts Universalamander down to size. "Tails' Little Tale" Gallagher/Manak While Sonic rests after defeating Universalamander, Tails embarks on his first solo adventure. Unaware of Tails, Robotnik is in the middle of a company picnic. [You're right, it DOES sound lame! DJD] Tails get plucked by Buzzbomber and Orbinaut, but defeats both of them. Tails gets overconfident and is captured by two SWATbots making shadow-puppets. When they try to roboticize him, Sonic saves Tails. #5 [Dec 1993] "Olympic Trials and Errors" Story: Angelo Decasare [debut]; Art: Manak Robotnik challenges the freedom fighters to compete in Olympic games. If they win even one event, Robotnik "promises" to restore Mobius; if they lose, they'll be turned into robots. Before the competition, a SWATbot switches Sonic's sneakers with energy-draining shoes. When Sonic drops on the track, the other freedom fighters (except for Tails) take his place. While Tails is looking for materials to make a Sonic sculpture, he finds Sonic's real sneakers and returns them to him. [The synopsis ends here; presumably, Sonic wins, Robotnik renegs, and it's back to usiness as usual. The linkage between Tails and sculpture was repeated in "That's The Spirit" (#20). DJD] "Chomp on This, Chump!" Decesare/Manak While Sonic and Tails help Sally deal with a batch of extra- thick pancake batter, Boomer/Rotor decides to buy a mail-order ant farm. What Boomer/Rotor doesn't know is that the farm he receives came from Robotnik. Instead of ants, Boomer/Rotor receives a Termite-nator, a termite which eats wood and paper and which grows as it eats. Remembering Sally's pancake batter recipe, Sonic whips up a batch and fills a hollow log with it. Boomer/Rotor returns the ant farm to sender. [What is it with Rotor and ant farms? He also had one in "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" (#23). DJD] #6 [Jan 1994] "The Spin Doctor" Gallagher/Manak When the freedom fighters attack Robotnik's factory, they find that Robotnik has relocated to deep within Mount Mobius, an active volcano. Sonic enters the Veg-O-Matic Fortress where he is attacked by Rexxon and Scorpius. After defeating them, he runs into two allies, Hip and Hop, who warn him about the Ferrons. After Sonic trashes the Ferrons, he comes across a cell full of animals awaiting roboticization. Just as Sonic believes he is on Robotnik's trail, he is shot out of the volcano, only to be rescued by Tails. "Sonic's Christmas Carol" Decesare/Manak [The cast enacts You-Know-What by You-Know-Who -- if you DON'T, better take a refresher course in English Lit. Significant in that they finally get the issue of Rotor's name straightened out. DJD] #7 [Feb 1994] "Uncle Chuck's Treasure" Decesare/Manak When Rotor accidentally sends Tails through the roof (literally), they find an old treasure map belonging to Uncle Chuck. They believe the "treasure" may be an invention that will help them defeat Robotnik. According to the map, the treasure was buried in Mobius National Park; unfortunately, the park had since been destroyed by being turned into a toxic waste dump. When the freedom fighters find the spot, Robotnik attacks. Sonic fights back using the toxic wastes, but Robotnik snatches the treasure from them as soon as they dig it up. Robotnik discovers that the "treasure" is really Sonic's bronzed baby booties (try saying THAT 3 times fast ;-) ). "Sorceress in Distress" Decesare/Manak Sally dresses as a sorceress for the annual Fright Night party, but needs a staff to complete the outfit. She finds one in the Forest and (due to a string of coincidences) believes it to be real. Robotnik sees the "sorceress" and, unaware that it's Sally, drags her back to Robotropolis; object: matrimony! Sonic follows them. Robotnik wants to see a demonstration of the sorceress's "magic" and Sally obliges, with a little help from Sonic. #8 [Mar 1994] "Bot's All, Folks!" Gallagher/Manak When Crabmeat is caught reading Sonic the Hedgehog comics, Robotnik is inspired to build super-powered robots to attack Sonic. Sonic meets, and defeats, "Botman," "Wolvurkel" (a factory second sent by mistake), "Spawnmower," "Magbot--Freedom Fighter Fighter," "Captain Marbot" and "Mighty 'Bot." [Furries might have a hard time slogging through this story! "Wolvurkel" is apparently an amusing *homage* to Jaleel White, the voice of Sonic in both the SatAM and daily syndie series. DJD] "A Little Music Goes A Long Way" Gallagher/Manak Sonic finds an old guitar, and the rest of the freedom fighters decide to form a band. Robotnik hears the music and decides to put a stop to it with a shrink ray. While the Freedom Fighters rummage through the Mobius Music Hall, Robotnik and Snively shrink them. Robotnik uses a Pest Buster vacuum to suck up the shrunken Sonic, but before they can put him inside a mobile roboticizer the shrink ray wears off and the freedom fighters return to normal size. Before Robotnik's reinforcements can arrive, the freedom fighters use music to chase him out of the hall. #9 [Apr 1994] "Pseudo-Sonic!" Gallagher/Manak After a thorough analysis of Sonic's profile, Robotnik builds his ultimate eil robot, "Pseudo-Sonic." Meanwhile, Sonic is out picking flowers for Sally. Unfortunately, he comes in contact with some poison sumac and blows up like a balloon. The Pseudo-Sonic discovers Knothole and is about to reveal its location. Tails, dragging his tails on the ground, builds up a static electricity charge and shorts out Pseudo-Sonic. Sonic tries to get back to Knothole but is apprehended by Robotnik. Bunnie slam-dunks Robotnik and helps cure Sonic's rash. "What's the Point?" Decesare/Manak While looking for a birthday present for Sally, Sonic comes upon a Mobian needl bird with a broken wing. Sonic wants to give it as a present, but Sally reminds him of other animals the freedom fighters have brought back. Meanwhile the needle bird, dubbed Thorny, has eaten Sally's birthday cake. Sally goes off to replace the cake while Sonic goes to return Thorny to the Great Forest. Sally is caught by a mechanical tree; Sonic almost suffers the same fate, but is rescued by Thorny. Sonic then rescues Sally while Thorny goes after Robotnik (who, needless to say, was behind the mechanical trees). #10 [May 1994] "Revenge of the Nerbs!" Decesare/Manak While attempting to steal power from Robotropolis, the freedom fighters are caught in a force field. Before the "Robotropolis Good Neighbor Society" can apprehend them, the freedom fighters escape thropugh a hole in the ground dug for them by a Nerb, part of an underground-dewlling race. The king of the Nerbs maintains that contact with surface-dwellers is bad news, but their air vents and water supply are being threatened by construction activity aboveground. On their way to the surface, they move from a Nerb tunnel to a Mobian sewer pipe. They come up to find Robotnik doing some excavating to build an underground installation; they also find three Nerb prisoners. Sonic frees the Nerbs and directs Tails to escort them back underground; Sonic then opens a line to the Mobius River, flooding Robotnik's construction site. The freedom fighters are proclaimed Honorary Nerbs. "'Twan With The Wind" Story: Angelo Decesare/Art: Art Mawhinney [debut] The freedom fighters use Antoine's hot air balloon to scout out a suitable location for their picnic. Two Buzzbombers attack the balloon. Robotnik learns of the picnic and decides to crash it. While everyone else is having fun at the picnic, Antoine mopes about his balloon. But when Robotnik attacks, it's up to Antoine to patch up the balloon and come to the rescue. #11 [Jun 1994] "The Good, The Bad, And The Hedgehog" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders [debut]/Art: Manak The freedom fighters witness Robotnik dumping toxic waste into a river. Sonic tries taking a "short cut" via the Cosmic Interstate to get there, but winds up on an alternate Mobius where Robotnik is a benevolent person and Sonic is a leather-clad punk. After a round-the-world chase, Sonic captures the Antisonic (c.f., "When Hedgehogs Collide," #24) and the AntiRobotnik devises a way to undo the toxic spill cause by Robotnik. "Beat The Clock" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Wanting to get to the top slot of Robotnik's Top Ten Badnik List, Coconuts traps the freedom fighters. "Food For Thought, or, You Are What You Eat" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney After scarfing a ton of chili dogs as a midnight snack, Sonic dreams that everyone has turned into junk food: Sonic is a chili dog, Sally is an ice cream cone, Tails is an order of fries (regular), and they all confront Chef Ivo Robo-Burger. The fries get caught by Robo-Burger so chili dog goes to rescue him. But he slips on a banana peel and right before Tails gets deep-fried, Sonic wakes up. #12 [Jul 1994] "A Timely Arrival" Gallagher/Mawhinney Robotnik builds a time machine to get rid of Sonic by transporting him to the past. Sonic enters the trap and lands in prehistoric Mobius. There he meets Sonugh the Boghog, and the caveman Ivo Robughnik. Sonic also meets other prehistoric freedom fighters, but they're all afraid of the surface because it offers no cover [Sounds like they're still dealing with an underground Mobius. DJD]. Sonic finishes transplanting some hedges near the entrance when he is pulled back to his own time by the freedom fighters, who have confiscated the time machine. "Bold-Headed Eagle" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While avoiding Robotnik in the Mobius Mountains, Sonic comes across an old eagle, Cyril. He tells Sonic how his flock was roboticized and how he has lived in hiding. Sonic convinces him to risk flying, and he discovers that his flock still exists. Cyril returns the favor by rescuing Sonic when Robotnik attacks. "The Lynx Is A Jinx" Decesare/Mawhinney While on a rescue mission, Sonic comes across a lynx named Larry, a.k.a. Super Jinx. He proves this when the branch of a tree that he's sitting on gives way and injures some freedom fighters on the way down. The freedom fighters head back to Knothole to nurse their wounds and Sonic tries to find a hiding place for Larry. When Sonic and Larry learn that the freedom fighters have been captured, Larry is sent out to be captured by the SWATbots who, in turn, suffer various misfortunes. #13 [Aug 1994] "This Island Hedgehog" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Sonic and Tails discover a floating island, but their plane is shot down by a rocket as they approach. After landing and enduring some hazards, they meet Knuckles the Echidna. Thinking that they have come to steal the island's Chaos Emerald, he gives them a ten-minute head start before giving chase. Meanwhile, Robotnik, who planted the suggestion in Knuckles' mind, is stealing the Emerald himself. Knuckles discovers the theft and Sonic recovers the Emerald. "Space In Your Face" Decesare/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to launch a space-based weapon, RoboStorm. This device will not only turn living beings into robots, it will also jam all regular television broadcasts and replace them with infomercials. The freedom fighters learn of this and enter the ship. Robotnik appears, however, before they can do any damage to the systems, so they blast off with Robotnik in pursuit. They crash-land on the moon Muckery. Using the local materials (i.e., mush), they get the better of Robotnik. #14 [Sep 1994] "Tails' Taste of Power" Decesare/Mawhinney Tails eats a piece of fruit he finds growing in Rotor's greenhouse. This fruit, from the Mobian Tree of Wisdom, makes Tails into a super-genius. Sally and Bunnie are attacked by a giant Shredbot. Tails avoids the bot's blades in such a way that the bot self-destructs. He goes off to face Robotnik, just as the effects of the fruit begin to wear off. Sonic bluffs Robotnik with a medal which Tails gave himself earlier. "Do It Yourself Sonic" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Readers are invited to fill in the word balloons and color the panels on a page to create their own comic (apparently involving Robotnik interrupting Sonic and Tails on a fishing trip). Winners announced in issue #23. "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun!" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to capture Sally and Bunnie in a booby- trapped shopping mall. After they're caught, the girls accuse Robotnik of being a MCP; they then smash SWATbots and gift-wrap Robotnik. #15 [Oct 1994] "Rockin' The Bot!" Decesare/Manak While out running with lightning, Sonic spies a frog in trouble. For rescuing it, the frog gives Sonic three magic stones: a green one for super strength, a yellow one for leaping great distances, and a red one for elasticity. Since Sonic doesn't believe the frog, he gives the stones to Tails. Robotnik, in a Beetlebot, attack the freedom fighters while they're out testing an all-terrain vehicle. Robotnik throws a boulder at Sonic while he's holding the red stone; Sonic is flattened but resumes his shape. Sonic tries attacking the Beetlebot but (having forgotten which stone does what) he is holding the yellow stone -- he beats the Mobius high-jump record but accomplishes little else. Using the green stone, Sonic crafts a giant flyswatter. "What's The Big Idea?" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While Rotor works on a top secret project, the rest of the gang recall previous experiments that have gone awry. "Animal Magnetism" Decesare/Mawhinney Robotnik plans to use a giant Magnabot to capture Bunnie and use her as bait to get the other freedom fighters. During an outdoor barbeque, Bunnie (and everything else metal) is suddenly pulled away. Sonic hitches a ride to the Magnabot by grabbing a metal garbage can lid. Sonic then tricks Robotnik into increasing the power and Snively into pointing the Magnabot toward Robotropolis. Rotor coats Bunnie's robotic parts with an anti-magnetism compound to keep it from happening again. #16 [Nov 1994] [Summary by Erich Schulman] "Sonic Under Glass" It appears that Sonic and Sally are tying the knot, having defeated Robotnik once and for all. In reality, Robotnik has lured the freedom fighters to a place called Sleepy Hollow. Once there, they were gassed, put into a sleep, and trapped inside a virtual reality glass dome. As all their fantasies have come true, nobody wants to escape. Uncle Chuck arrives and reveals to Sonic that he is embracing, not Sally, but a broom. Sonic hates to disappoint his friends, who are all so happy, but decides to get back at Robotnik. Sonic gets Robotnik's war machines to reverse course and attack the big guy, so Robotnik reluctantly kills the VR software. Sonic and Sally are reunited, and Sonic concludes that virtual reality is a nice place to visit, but.... "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." Robotnik comes to the conclusion that there is a spy in his midst, since so many of his missions have failed. Thinking that he has found his spy in a mole, he uses the Wheel of Misfortune to randomize his plans to destroy Mobius. On Robotnik's first spin, he lands on "undersea bank heist." Robotnik's lackey's find only an empty vault and the freedom fighters waiting for them. The same thing happens after two more spins. Robotnik finally thinks he has Sonic captured when Sonic and Sally visit Robotnik's casino [Boy, I hope this makes more sense in the comic! DJD], but Sonic narrowly escapes. Belatedly, Robotnik realizes that the Wheel itself was rigged. Sonic-Grams: Aside from now-obsolete announcements, it is stated that Sonic is 15; that Sally is a squirrel (not necessarily a ground squirrel); that Antoine was a donor so that Tails would be able to fly [Yeah, right!] (c.f. "The Mail's About Tails" (#2); that Sonic was just a little slow rescuing Bunnie from the roboticizer ("Rabbit Deployment," #3). On a more useful note, Archie Comics confesses that due to inadequate modelling information, their Sally was a different color from the SatAM version, a situation which has since been rectified. #17 [Dec 1994] "Gorilla Warfare, or, The Apes of Wrath" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Robotnik travels to Skoal Island and finds one of his original bots: King Gong, a ten-foot tall, 800 lb. gorilla. He sends the big ape to Mobotropolis to attack Sonic. King Gong breaks up a freedom fighters' picnic, but loses interest in Sonic when he sees Sally. With Sally in his grasp, he climbs to the top of a minimall to watch the sunset. The Sonic Spin has no effect on King Gong, so it's on to Plan B: while Tails flies up to rescue Sally, Sonic and Antoine hose him down with banana oil. King Gong slips and falls on top of Robotnik. "First Star I See Tonight: Sally's Crusade, part 1" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While reminiscing about life as a little girl before Robotnik's takeover, Sally sees something fall from the sky. It turns out to be a shiny metal orb. To be continued. #18 [Jan 1995]: "Wedding Bell Blues" Kanterovich & Penders/Manak Robotnik gets word of Sonic and Sally's impending wedding and plans an attack. "In the Still of the Night" (Sally's Crusade, part 2) Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney While trying to determine the nature of the mysterious orb (cf. "First Star....", #17), Sally is called to the bedside of her old mentor, Julayla, just before she dies. They never use the D- word, but it's an affecting story nevertheless. Sonicgram: includes statement that Sonic is 15, and a German fan disses Dave Manak's artwork Sonic: In Your Face #1 [1995] "Sally's Crusade: The Quest" Kanterovich & Penders/Mawhinney The orb is revealed to be a casing surrounding Nicole. Sally, with the others in tow, searches for what turns out to be Julayla's last testament. The significance of this document is spelled out in a "flashforward" at the end of the story. "Mirror Zone" Story and art: Pat Spaziante [debut] An excuse to practice backwards lettering. Sonicgram: Sally's age is given as "about 15." [Note, if you're going to guess a lady's age, guess on the low side ;-) ] "Tails' Tallest Tale" Story and art: Scott Shaw! Tails substitutes for Sonic, putting in an appearance at a con. His exaggerations almost get him into trouble. The return of Shaw!. #19 [Feb 1995]: "Night of a Thousand Sonics" In order to defeat Robotnik's latest scheme, Sonic has to call in as many versions of himself from as many parallel universes as he can. Artwork by Manak for the first half, Mawhinney for the second. Sonicgram: The name of Sally's father is given as "King Acorn" (but see FAQ #5). Scott Fulop hedges on when Knuckles will make an appearance and whose side he'll be on. Again, Sally is identified as a "ground squirrel." Hint is dropped as to a Sonic motion picture in the works. #20 [Mar 1995]: "That's the Spirit" Exposure to an antimatter explosion renders Sonic invisible; Sally and the others [Tails being the exception] believe he is dead. The comedic pacing and Manak's artwork mar what otherwise might have been a very poignant story. Great line (Sonic to Robotnik--who thinks he's dealing with a ghost): "Give Mobius back to the freedom fighters, lose weight and get a hairpiece!" "Deadliest of the Species" [Prologue to the Princess Sally miniseries] While on a sabotage mission, Sally is confronted by someone claiming to be part of a rebel underground. Sonicgram: Once again lists Sally's age as 15. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 12:40:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA06123 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:16:15 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA06117 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:16:04 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA07327; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:09:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: My Secret Shame (re: Sonic music) In-Reply-To: <9507281225.AA04773@edmund> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > Not only don't I own a Sega game product of any kind, but the only time > I ever tried playing StH (when I rented a Genesis unit and game > cartridge overnight), after 4 straight hours I still kept wiping out by > falling into the lava during the second level or part or whatever you > call it. I'm not about to kid myself: when it comes to video games, I'm > pretty pathetic. So I guess it's true what they say about teaching an > old (in my case, 43) dog new tricks. You're not alone. I do very poorly at video games. One reason is that I tend to analyze rather than trust my instincts (ie, by the time I figure out what to do, I'm history). Another reason is below par hand-eye co-ordination. I've been playing blackjack on my computer for years, and I'm getting pretty good at Animal Quest (it's at ftp.hff.rat.org), but that's about as far as I can go with games. There are two more games I used to play but had to give them up when I upgraded to a 486 (they go too fast now). I'd like to get the Sonic CD so I can listen to the music, but I can't spare the cash now that I've taken the plunge on a new printer. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 12:51:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA06527 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:40:58 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA06509 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:40:26 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA08444; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:34:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: About "Sonic music..." Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Lately this thread has been strectching the limits of "on-topic"-ness with some messages beginning to get into game hints and others having little to do with Sonic. The music on the Sonic CD is "on-topic" because: - the CD is merchandise - the music enhances the story behind Sonic and the other Freedom Fighters It's also OK to discuss the lyrics and to compare/contrast lyrics and melodies of these songs with other music that may or may not be on the CD. I can let these threads go by occasionally because the mailing list is not too big and tends to keep a pretty good signal to noise ratio. But we still need to remember that this is the Sonic list whose primary focus should be on Mobius. Enough with the lesson. Let's go back to Knothole. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 13:53:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA06697 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:52:53 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA06692 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:52:43 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA12764; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:52:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: video games Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I'm pretty good at video games. But of course there's always someone better than me, and it's usually some 15 year old! :-( I personally hated the Sonic the Hedgehog types of games. I never get into the scrollers. I just liked the Sat. AM series a lot. I mean the stories and characters are pretty cool I think. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 17:53:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA09903 for sonic-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:35:51 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA09898 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:35:36 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA55935 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:20:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:18:53 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09203193.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: video games Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >I personally hated the Sonic the Hedgehog types of games. I never >get into the scrollers. Really? I LOVED the Sonic series, even if they WERE platform games. Oh, and you DID mean platform games when you said "scrollers", right? Cuz if you didn't, and you really meant all scrollers...jeez, that would mean you only like single-screen games like Pong, Pac Man, and the original Donkey Kong. 8P Anywayz, I hate to get off the topic of Sonic, but a really great game I enjoyed and would reccomend is Final Fantasy 3, an RPG for SNES. But enough about that! Back to Sonic...I'd have to say it's one of my two favorite side-scrollers, although I admit it's not my favorite game. >< Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of Magic. - Arthur C. Clarke From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 29 20:19:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA17767 for sonic-ll; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:59:42 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA17762 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:59:31 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id TAA14898 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:56:23 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: IRC meet From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AE24AA.000100203E.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 19:54:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Just got back form the IRC meet. I whoudl^t say it was a disaster. but only 6 people showed up. Not much hapend. did everyon gethe the date/time right? if not we could try again next month From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 29 20:48:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA18005 for sonic-ll; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 20:26:44 -0400 Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA18000 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 20:26:33 -0400 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10522; Sat, 29 Jul 95 17:26:31 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 17:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: IRC meet In-Reply-To: <8AE24AA.000100203E.uuout@outdoor.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sat, 29 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: > Just got back form the IRC meet. > I whoudl^t say it was a disaster. but only 6 people showed up. Not much > hapend. did everyon gethe the date/time right? if not we could try again > next month Well, I was at a mandatory family event, so I couldn't attend. Sorry. (:3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu Until I get my act together, you'll just have to deal with the real me. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 29 22:18:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA18704 for sonic-ll; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:09:57 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA18699 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:09:46 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id WAA20228 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:03:23 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199507300203.WAA20228@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: Re: IRC meet To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:03:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8AE24AA.000100203E.uuout@outdoor.com> from "JOHN MANKOWSKI" at Jul 29, 95 07:54:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1119 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Just got back form the IRC meet. > I whoudl^t say it was a disaster. but only 6 people showed up. Not much > hapend. did everyon gethe the date/time right? if not we could try again > next month > I was on for a little while at the beginning, but couldn't stay on for long because I had to go eat dinner (I live in the Eastern time zone, so 6pm EST is REALLY 6pm for me.) Also, I log in via modem. So, I try to restrict my on-line time to times when I can be fairly certain that noone's going to try to call us (I couldn't talk my parents into getting a second phone line just for my modem). I'd like to try this again next month. Some time after 10pm EST would be best for me, as I can stay on for as long as I wish then. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti optimus@tiac.net (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (account will be axed soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 29 22:48:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA18762 for sonic-ll; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:22:53 -0400 Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA18757 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:22:42 -0400 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA20535; Sat, 29 Jul 95 19:22:40 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Still more Sonic music... In-Reply-To: <9507280404.AA06426@elof.acc.iit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Oy vey. Walk away from the newsgroup for a few days, and look what happens... (:3 Let's see what you said, shall we? ----- Robert Haynie wrote regarding music for Tails: > Um.... "Free Falling" by John Petty? Heh. Cute. (:3 ----- Thaddeus R. Boyd wrote about favorite game music: > #2: Ugh...the music all sucks in that one. What? are you completely nuts? (:3 I thought that one had some of the best music in the series... ----- Kris Kelley (Robin Hood) wrote, about themes for characters: > Sonic: The Theme from 'Sonic the Hedgehog' by Noisy Neighbors. Is that the TV show theme? I'm not familiar with the band name... ----- James Firmiss wrote: > A friend of mine decided to 'tape' some of the music from Sonic 2 and he > played it in his car. Sonic 2's 'bonus round' music was VERY appropriate > for the winding road we were on. Now if there were rings on the road to > drive over... wait a minute.. if there's road construction we could've > used CONES! :) [i guess we're lucky there wasn't any road construction] (grins) That tune drives me nuts. But that's probably because that bonus round drives me nuts... ----- Robert Haynie wrote: > Me? I think the fave music from the games ain't from a Genny but > from Triple Troble fro Game Gear, that being the Locomotive Chase theme > in Stage 2 act 3. THere's this very tension building opening overture > in it. I'm not familiar with the game, not having a Game Gear. (I'm poor! Pity me! ):3) I'll take your word for it, though... ----- I wrote down all your suggestions and am keeping them handy. I'm surprised only one person mentioned the Icecap Zone, my personaly Sonic III fave... (:3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu "Today, I learned that nature can be cruel-- but that I CAN BE CRUELER!" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 29 23:18:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA19155 for sonic-ll; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 23:15:06 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA19143 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 23:14:48 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id XAA04855 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 23:08:31 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199507300308.XAA04855@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: Re: Still more Sonic music... To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 23:08:31 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Fred Sloniker" at Jul 29, 95 07:22:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 452 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net "Free Fallin'" for Tails? Sounds more like a song for Dulcey to me. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti optimus@tiac.net (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (account will be axed soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 30 18:49:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA26823 for sonic-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:41:08 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA26818 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:40:58 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA56834 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:29:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:27:53 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09269954.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Still more Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >> #2: Ugh...the music all sucks in that one. > >What? are you completely nuts? (:3 I thought that one had some of the >best music in the series... Sorry, I was TWI (typing while insane) at the time...the Sonic club I'm in has been having some troubles with bashers, and I wasn't overly happy about it. That, and the fact that I haven't played it in so long that all I remembered was the frustration of going through the whole game, only to die on the last boss time and again...when you listen to the same music for days in a row, you begin to get annoyed. 8) I remember now that the ending theme (where Sonic falls and Tails catches him) was my favorite. >< Somebody's got to do it! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 30 23:50:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28639 for sonic-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:36:41 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28634 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:36:29 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09875; Sun, 30 Jul 95 23:41:49 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39646W Mon, 31 Jul 1995 03:32:59 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: IRC meet Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:21:28 GMT Message-Id: <95073023325958650@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: Fred Sloniker -> To: sard.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 17:26:31 -0700 (PDT) -> Subject: Re: IRC meet -> -> On Sat, 29 Jul 1995, JOHN MANKOWSKI wrote: -> -> > Just got back form the IRC meet. -> > I whoudl^t say it was a disaster. but only 6 people showed up. Not -> > hapend. did everyon gethe the date/time right? if not we could try -> > next month -> -> Well, I was at a mandatory family event, so I couldn't attend. Sorry -> -> ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergr -> L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer -> lazuli@u.washington.edu -> -> Until I get my act together, you'll just have to deal with the real m And I don't have IRC access. Yeesh. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 00:01:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28627 for sonic-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:35:08 -0400 Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28621 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:34:57 -0400 Received: by saul2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA18026; Sun, 30 Jul 95 20:34:54 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul2.u.washington.edu Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Still more Sonic music... In-Reply-To: <013.09269954.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sun, 30 Jul 1995, MR THADDEUS R BOYD wrote: > >What? are you completely nuts? (:3 I thought that one had some of the > >best music in the series... > > Sorry, I was TWI (typing while insane) at the time... Heh. That's what I said. (:3 > the Sonic club I'm in has been having some troubles with bashers, and I > wasn't overly happy about it. Sonic club? Where? Sounds neat. (:3 Why anyone would bash it... (sigh) > That, and the fact that I haven't played it in so long that all I > remembered was the frustration of going through the whole game, only to > die on the last boss time and again...when you listen to the same music > for days in a row, you begin to get annoyed. 8) I'll privately email you a very neat way to finish those two bosses off with Tails if you like (Sonic can do it too, but Tails has a little trick he can use...) > I remember now that the ending theme (where Sonic falls and Tails > catches him) was my favorite. Yeah, that was pretty nifty. (:3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu "ZOMBIES!" "Please, Lees! They prefer to be called the living-impaired!" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 00:20:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28883 for sonic-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:56:38 -0400 Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28870 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:56:24 -0400 Received: by saul2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10526; Sun, 30 Jul 95 20:56:21 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul2.u.washington.edu Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: Sonic the Hedgehog Mailing List Subject: Would someone send me the FAQ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Thanky. (:3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord truth fnord fnord fnord From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 00:35:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28831 for sonic-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:54:52 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28826 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:54:41 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id XAA19231 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:51:32 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: some notices {READ THIS} From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AE359C.00010020B7.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 23:56:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok lets get started: 1.Another meet is planned for Sunday Aug 5th at 6:00pm we are trying again to get this working. The following Sunday we are having a Furtoonia meet the same time. 6pm (That's Eastern time EST) 2.This is off topic, but i should warn you anyway. There are several virus scares going around the Internet, such as a Trojan that clames to be a new version of PKzip 3.0 and a Trasher that clames to be a Doom 2 upgrade patch that upgraes it to 2.0 Be Careful! and sevral Viruses have been found sent to most of the binaries News Groups. 3.More Sonic rumors. I heard some people on the local BBSes talking about sonic pictures that have stuff like Tails killing Sonic! and other bloody and violent pictures. I will try to find these and send them to the site. I asked about them but they told me it was a secret and whouldn't tell me. Also I heard about someone working on a Crossover PC game called Sonic Kombat. It just a Mortal Kobat like game with the freedom fighters in it. 4.Also I wanted to know about possibly sending a message to Sega with everyone's help of course. about including the rest of the freedom fighters in the next sonic game. All thy whould do is give each of them a special power and let you play as them. And also they whould change Robotnik to look like he does in the comic and show (He's uglier in the game!) Ok From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 01:21:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA29622 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:17:03 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA29616 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:16:52 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id BAA16087 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:10:18 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199507310510.BAA16087@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: Re: some notices {READ THIS} To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:10:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8AE359C.00010020B7.uuout@outdoor.com> from "JOHN MANKOWSKI" at Jul 30, 95 11:56:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1572 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Ok lets get started: > > 1.Another meet is planned for Sunday Aug 5th at 6:00pm we are trying The day Sunday, August 5th doesn't exist (not this year, anyway). Do you perhaps mean Saturday, August 5th or Sunday, August 6th? > 3.More Sonic rumors. I heard some people on the local BBSes talking > about sonic pictures that have stuff like Tails killing Sonic! and other > bloody and violent pictures. I will try to find these and send them to > the site. I asked about them but they told me it was a secret and > whouldn't tell me. Personally, I'd like to know where those pictures are-So I can avoid them! I have no desire to see my favorite freedom fighters in a bloodbath. This is just my own opinion and is not intended as a flame or as an attempt to tell others what they can or can't upload. Certainly though, if you do find those pictures and upload them to a site, a warning as to their graphic nature would be in order. (Some people can't view pictures before downloading them). Also, bear in mind that if someone from SEGA were to find those pictures at some site, they may take legal action to have it shut down. (I believe they can do that.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti optimus@tiac.net (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (account will be axed soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 01:51:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA29634 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:18:28 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA29629 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:18:17 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA56467 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 00:29:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 00:28:09 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09284338.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Still more Sonic music... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >Sonic club? Where? Sounds neat. (:3 Why anyone would bash it... >(sigh) It's on Prodigy, Video Games Bulletin Board, Sega Clubs topic, subjects beginning with "Sonic '95"; and there's another branch on the Comics Bulletin Board, Cartoon/Furry/Humor topic, subjects beginning with "Sonic". The basher trouble is that some member went insane and started a bashing club despite our protests (because we've been through a LOT because of people who made the mistake of "bashing back"...admittedly, I learned the hard way that bashing back isn't the answer...). >I'll privately email you a very neat way to finish those two bosses off >with Tails if you like (Sonic can do it too, but Tails has a little trick >he can use...) Cool...I've never been able to beat it with Tails; rarely with Sonic (without using the Debug code). >< Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 02:23:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA00114 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:12:20 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA00103 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:12:08 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id CAA16270; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:06:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: some notices {READ THIS} In-Reply-To: <199507310510.BAA16087@laraby.tiac.net> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Theodore Perrotti wrote: > > 3.More Sonic rumors. I heard some people on the local BBSes talking > > about sonic pictures that have stuff like Tails killing Sonic! and other > > bloody and violent pictures. I will try to find these and send them to > > Personally, I'd like to know where those pictures are-So I can avoid > them! I have no desire to see my favorite freedom fighters in a > bloodbath. This is just my own opinion and is not intended as a flame or > as an attempt to tell others what they can or can't upload. Certainly > though, if you do find those pictures and upload them to a site, a > warning as to their graphic nature would be in order. (Some people There will be a notice of some sort if they are submitted and approved. One possibility is that the images/perv directory can be renamed to adult with either a README file or with sex and violence subdirectories. If I download those violent files for approve/disapprove purposes, I know I won't be keeping them around. The Freedom Fighters are special to me. If asked to help, I'd say "Beam me up, Sally". And a small group of list.subscribers know just a bit more ;-) I would not want to see the Rebel Alliance break down into civil war, or to see them lose the war against with Robuttnik. Speaking of the R.A., if you've received direct mail from me lately, check out the full header of my message (you won't see this in a list message). > can't view pictures before downloading them). Also, bear in mind that if > someone from SEGA were to find those pictures at some site, they may take > legal action to have it shut down. (I believe they can do that.) They could try to have it shut down. It's hard to say if any such effort by Sega would succeed in court. The defence could claim their violent pictures are parodies, and the (US) Copyright Act does protect parodies. Without seeing those pictures, I can't assess their chances of the court agreeing with such a claim. If you're really interested in this, drop an inquiry in misc.legal. Oops, almost forgot: Nothing in this message is to be construed as legal advice or an attempt to practice law. Professional legal advice is recommended. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 06:51:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA01462 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:47:37 -0400 Received: from InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA01457 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:47:25 -0400 Received: by InfoNET.st-johns.nf.ca; (5.65/1.1.8.2/14Mar94-1051AM) id AA10374; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:17:15 -0230 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:17:15 -0230 (NDT) From: Tony Dawe To: sonic@sard.mv.net Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Still more Sonic music... In-Reply-To: <013.09284338.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > Cool...I've never been able to beat it with Tails; rarely with Sonic > (without using the Debug code). do you mean that the debug code makes the game easir to beat? i tried the code and did'nt really like it. how aboute-mailing the list on how tails can beat the 2 bosses please! /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ /\Tony Dawe /\ \/gbf2033@infonet.st-johns.nf.ca \/ /\St.Johns InfoNET /\ \/"I am you, you are me, \/ /\ no one is themselves" /\ \/"I am the law" \/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 08:20:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01919 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:59:32 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01911 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:59:13 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id HAA14988 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:56:04 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: some notices {READ THIS} From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AE418B.00010020DD.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 06:35:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8AE4046.00010020CA.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok the meet is sounday the 6th sorry got a date mixed up there From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 08:40:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01918 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:59:30 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01907 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:59:11 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id HAA14981 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:56:02 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: some notices {READ THIS} From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AE418A.00010020DC.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 06:34:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 References: <8AE407E.00010020C8.uuout@outdoor.com> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net (I'm Not even going to try to quote all that but here is my opein. about the violent pictures. When I said i whould try to find them it was not for personal gain. i really don't want to see that myself. thats why i didn't keep the Tails Doom patch. the only reason I was going to try to find them is because I thought that someone whould like them or everyone whould want to see them just wondering about it. The reason is when i read the Message archives form past months it was weird how everyone was courious about the perv pictures when they where going around and they wanted to see them. I was just thinking hte same whould hapen over the violent pictures. If you think they whould be to bloody for you or you just plane don't want to see them then I won't bother. I have better things to do with my online time then serching for that junk! sorry if you thought the rong thing about me! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 08:50:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02308 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:43:22 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02303 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:43:11 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20138; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:43:07 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA26532; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:43:06 -0400 Message-Id: <9507311243.AA26532@edmund> Subject: Re: some notices {READ THIS} To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:43:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8AE359C.00010020B7.uuout@outdoor.com> from "JOHN MANKOWSKI" at Jul 30, 95 11:56:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > 1.Another meet is planned for Sunday Aug 6th at 6:00pm we are trying > again to get this working. The following Sunday we are having a > Furtoonia meet the same time. 6pm (That's Eastern time EST) > OK, this I think I can do. Will wait for details. > Also I heard about someone working on a Crossover PC game called Sonic > Kombat. It just a Mortal Kobat like game with the freedom fighters in > it. > Antoine: I think I will swoon! Sonic: I think I will hurl! [dialog from a Sonic ep, possibly "Spyhog"] > 4.Also I wanted to know about possibly sending a message to Sega with > everyone's help of course. about including the rest of the freedom > fighters in the next sonic game. All thy whould do is give each of them > a special power and let you play as them. And also they whould change > Robotnik to look like he does in the comic and show (He's uglier in the > game!) > I've heard this suggestion before, including the use of a Nicole-screen for strategic information, etc. Sounds more palatable than the previous suggestion. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 13:45:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05352 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:15:20 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05333 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:15:05 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA02998; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:15:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: violent pictures. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net 1. If it's a sonic graphic, and it's ok quality, I will have it available. 2. If it's something that will upset some, I will make a directory for it. Like perv for the adult pictures, and I'll make a directory for the violent ones. Maybe I'll call it "blood". I don't maintain the ftp site for just what I like. 3. SEGA could certainly try to have my site shut down, but I don't think they would care. If you're not making any money, they usually leave you alone. And if they had no problem with the homosexual tails/sonic, then I can't see how they would have a problem with violent pictures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 14:53:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA06177 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:23:24 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA06172 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:23:10 -0400 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA21379 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:23:07 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id NAA19192 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:23:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199507311823.NAA19192@sun-5.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: some notices {READ THIS} To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 13:23:06 CDT In-Reply-To: <8AE359C.00010020B7.uuout@outdoor.com>; from "JOHN MANKOWSKI" at Jul 30, 95 11:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > 1.Another meet is planned for Sunday Aug 5th at 6:00pm we are trying.... > [ date corrected to Aug 6 ^ ] I wanted to make this first meeting but couldn't shake off some friends fast enough (I don't want to be TOO anti-social). I'll try to make this one. > 3.More Sonic rumors. I heard some people on the local BBSes talking > about sonic pictures that have stuff like Tails killing Sonic! ... Aww man. The X-Rated Sonic/Tails pictures were silly (and mean) but this just sounds crude. Count me as one of the 'disinterested'. I talked to the guy who made the pictures with Sonic and Knuckles 'doing' Tails and he said he drew 'em mainly to annoy one particular Sonic fan he knew. > Also I heard about someone working on a Crossover PC game called Sonic > Kombat. It just a Mortal Kobat like game with the freedom fighters in > it. I think the Mortal Kombat parodies ended with 'Pong Kombat' (The only two paddles and a ball game with special moves and fatalities). I forget where it is but its FTP-able for the PC somewhere. After seeing that one, the others just don't matter. > 4.Also I wanted to know about possibly sending a message to Sega with > everyone's help of course. about including the rest of the freedom > fighters in the next sonic game. All thy whould do is give each of them > a special power and let you play as them. And also they whould change > Robotnik to look like he does in the comic and show (He's uglier in the > game!) A while back Mike Wallis ask people on this list what folks wanted in the 'next' Sonic game? I remember alot of the answer centered around adding more of the characters from the ABC Sat AM Series and Archie Comic. I like the idea of a Sonic RPG style game... SEGA could use more RPG games. [e.g. Sally could use Nicole to display maps but the crew would have to GET to a computer station in order to get certain maps and other info. Maybe one objective would be to rescue Antoine? (and once done he'd be able to give the others something or tell others about their next objective... stuff like that... heck.. I'm not the game designer :) ] On a different note. It was rumored that DIC had begun selling Sonic animation cells (one of the reasons why the series might have been canceled) Anyone know where I might be able to find such cells? I've been to a few stores which offer Animation cells (and have seen a couple catalogs) but so far nothing from Sonic was available. -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 213 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 15:19:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA06724 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:59:36 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA06719 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:59:24 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA11779 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:59:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:59:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950731145917.cf70@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: some notices {READ THIS} Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From: James Firmiss >> 3.More Sonic rumors. I heard some people on the local BBSes talking >> about sonic pictures that have stuff like Tails killing Sonic! ... Compared to the cover of 28, which shows Sonic about to waste the rest of the FFers... >I like the idea of a Sonic RPG style game... SEGA could use more RPG games. [...] > Maybe one objective would be to rescue Antoine? This one's for Jim Walt: "they'll have to give us more motivation than that..." :^) RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 16:19:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA07713 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:14:09 -0400 Received: from saul6.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA07707 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:13:56 -0400 Received: by saul6.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA14603; Mon, 31 Jul 95 13:13:53 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul6.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: Sonic the Hedgehog Mailing List Subject: Since several people have asked... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ...please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm trying to forestall umpteen zillion requests for the trick... Robosonic is *very* easy to beat with Tails. Here's the trick. As soon as you get on screen, before he even comes down, go to the right side of the screen and start spindashing to the left (don't actually spindash, though). The trick is, Tails is short enough that when Robosonic buzzes its quills, he doesn't get hit. Count four hits, and on the fourth hit roll out (Robosonic will curl into a ball after the fourth hit), then jump back over him to the right and repeat. He'll jet into you (two more hits), then jet away; release the spin, and you'll tag him once more. Then start spinning for the eighth and final hit. About 15 seconds. (:3 Sonic, being taller, has to be more careful. He can get the first four hits the same way, though he has to be far enough left that the spinning spines don't touch him, but after that he has to get them the old-fashioned way (spindash Robosonic while it dashes) because he's so tall. Still, it's a lot faster to get those first four hits in quickly. For Robobuttnik, the tactics are the same for each. Hit it in the chest when it pulls its arms back in preparation to jump, then stand in the corner. When the targetting cursor changes to a 'lock-on', step away far enough for it to land, hit it in the chest again, and run away before the arm missiles launch. Repeat in the right corner, then start from the beginning. Twelve hits will kill it. Warning: sometimes you fall through Robobuttnik instead of bouncing off, and I don't know why, but if you have five or six lives stockpiled, you can take it down no trouble. Strategies for any other Sonic boss on request. (:3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu Fred's Fourth Law: It *must* be art. *I* don't understand it. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 18:19:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09631 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:05:10 -0400 Received: from ddi2.digital.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA09625 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:04:58 -0400 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id SAA24235 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:01:48 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: sonic ideas From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8AE4424.000100216C.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 17:40:00 -0500 Organization: The Outdoor Sportsman BBS - Cocoa, FL - 1 (407)635-9590 X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ok here are a few ideas we could work on for the internet. If you could work on makeing something like this let me know. 1.I wanted to find someone who could program in Pascal and posably help make an IGM In Game Moud. for LORD Legend of the red Dragon (BBS DOOR) I am talking about something like Furtoonia's mobious. it whould have a knothole for good players and a robotroplis for evil. and so on 2.Also if anyone is good at graphics,Doom Levels,Sounds and so on i wanted to get in tuch with someone who could make a Sonic DOOM wad Kinda like Aliens TC does for doom. Graphics that whould replaces enemies and wepons. (I don't know how we could come up with the idea of sonic useing wepons) Sounds, and levels like Knothole and Robotroplois. and ofcoures a DeHacked patch. I onces tryed to make a sonic sound patch using ghe .WAV files form the FTP site but it turned into a dud. Ok From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 20:19:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11404 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:52:20 -0400 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11393 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:52:08 -0400 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux4.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux4.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.124]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA100770 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:52:04 -0500 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux4.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA10036; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:52:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:52:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199507312352.SAA10036@linux4.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Miscellaneous stuff Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Dear friends DJD: Not only don't I own a Sega game product of any kind Heck, I don't own any Sega stuff either. And I've NEVER played any "Sonic" game in my life. RDB: technically the furries on StH aren't all that furry - I see no animal characteristics in them ala Tiny Toons... Neither then would be "TaleSpin", or "Omaha, the Cat Dancer", which both feature highly anthropomorphized animals with little or no animal character- istics. That's one particular branch of furry lit, IMHO, the other featuring animals with little anthropomorphism living in a human world. But the serious tone of StH, "Omaha", and "TaleSpin" are what make fans consider them furry, IMHO. And I don't think the Tiny Toons are all that furry themselves. They're toons first and furries second. DJD: Not that the technology did them a heck of a lot of good. They didn't sweat the details (the hand jive, the story-telling technique) A couple of weeks back I realized that Robotnik had basically the same scheme in the "Princess Sally" mini-series as he did in "Sonic and Sally". But in the mini-series robot Sally came in contact only with new recruits who did not know her well. Violent pics - Personally I don't believe they really exist. But I'd be curious to see them if they did. I don't think I'll like them though, especially if they're nothing but gruesome snuff. I couldn't make the first IRC meeting because I can't get on campus on Saturdays. But the Sunday time is perfect for me. Looking forward to it. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara Princess Sally - "As for being my boyfriend, in the past you just had to contend with jealousy from a certain Hedgehog ( and believe me, that's enough! ) -- now you're going to have to deal with a rather suave rogue of a skunk! Good luck!" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 20:51:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA11624 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:29:40 -0400 Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA11619 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:29:29 -0400 Received: by saul3.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA10758; Mon, 31 Jul 95 17:29:26 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul3.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: Sonic the Hedgehog Mailing List Subject: Sonic: the Next Generation... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Ad coming through! (:3 ----- IMPERIAL NETWORK MESSAGE FROM: The Master (Hear and Obey) TO: All Imperial Citizens Twenty years ago, the government that once wisely ruled this fair land was overthrown by the ambitions of an evil man, Dr. Ivo Robotnik. Destroying almost all of the monarchy and subsuming the government into himself, he mercilessly oppressed the people and the land, his ultimate aim seemingly the destruction of the entirety of Mobius. The only forces that would stand against him were small groups of resistance fighters, striking at his forces where he least expected it, smashing his cruel ambitions and ultimately defeating him in battle, ten years ago this day. Yet that victory was not without its own cost; as the Freedom Fighters celebrated their victory, Robotnik's soldiers were finally able to locate their hidden base by tracking the emanations of a legendary stone used in the destruction of Doomsday. The resultant battle was cruel and swift; in one stroke, the leader of the resistance, Sally Acorn, was slain, and its most powerful fighter, Sonic the Hedgehog, was lost, presumed also demised. Without their strong leadership, the Freedom Fighters seemed doomed. Yet in this time of triumph and terror, one man was able to seize the reins of power and guide Mobius back to peace and prosperity. Though the records of this time were lost, it is known that the Master was able to take control of Robotnik's remaining legacy, amplify it through his own genius, and end the last of the evil doctor's abuses. At last, after ten years of benevolent yet firm leadership, the air over Mobitropolis can be breathed once more, and the water runs fresh and clean. It distresses our beloved leader, therefore, to learn that certain fringe radicals, styling themselves after the heroic Freedom Fighters (now model citizens of society), have taken it upon themselves to assault his works, his holdings, and even his very person. Decrying imaginary abuses, they seek to destroy all that he has worked so hard to regain for you, his loyal subjects. Be alert! The rebels could be anyway, under any guise, and you may be the one to catch these dangerous criminals-- *fzzt* KSDflhkagjkhWMQHLc*(C4Yl!748OLM *fzzt* DO NOT BELIEVE THE SMOOTH LIES AND DANGEROUS PROMISES OF THE CREATURE THAT CONTROLS THIS LAND! HE PROMISES FREEDOM WHEN HIS TROOPERS ROAM THE STREETS! VILLAGES THAT DISOBEY HIM ARE BURNED TO THE GROUND, THE VILLAGES ROBOTICIZED! HE ENSLAVES THE MINDS AND WILLS OF THOSE HE CANNOT CONTROL THROUGH BRUTE FORCE! THROW OFF YOUR SHACKLES! JOIN THE REBEL FIGHTERS! GLORIFY THE *TRUE* LEGACY OF SONIC THE HEDGE-- *fzzt* --and enjoy this glorious holiday, the tenth anniversary of the ascension of our glorious leader, the Master himself! All hail the Master! ----- If you managed to slog through all of that (grin), I'm looking for people who wanna do a Sonic: TNG RPG PBEM (enough acronyms for ya?) It's ten years after Doomsday, and things are-- different. Robotnik is gone, Sally is gone, and the enigmatic figure who calls himself 'the Master' rules Mobius. Things are better than when Robotnik ruled, but better is not good. Citizens are oppressed by the Empire, sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly. Monitors and guards are everywhere, ensuring loyalty. Still, if someone wants to toe the line and stay within the system, life can be fair, and few are willing to risk helping a desperate band of criminals. For those seeking to overthrow the Master and restore Mobius to its former glory, these are 'interesting' times... Please email me if you're interested! I think you'll enjoy the changes I have in store for Mobius... ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu Trials of a furry lover #47: explaining the scars down your back at work. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 21:19:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11869 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:00:29 -0400 Received: from su1.in.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11864 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:00:17 -0400 Received: by su1.in.net (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA12249; Mon, 31 Jul 95 19:57:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:53:30 -400 (EDT) From: Ryan Fields Subject: StH Game To: sonic@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > 3. SEGA could certainly try to have my site shut down, but I don't think they > would care. If you're not making any money, they usually leave you alone. Hmm, what if I made a game based on the StH Sat AM cartoon and uploaded it as freeware. Since I wouldn't be making money, SEGA might leave me alone. :) Nah... So, has anyone actually written to SEGA about them developing a game with the Sat AM characters? (Not sure why I care, I don't even own a SEGA system.) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 21:33:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11950 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:14:26 -0400 Received: from rachael.franken.de by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11940 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:14:01 -0400 Received: from by rachael.franken.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0sd5rF-000oJDC; Tue, 1 Aug 95 03:10 MET DST Received: from deco.franken.de by hub-n.franken.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0sd2A6-00005jC; Mon, 31 Jul 95 23:14 WET DST Received: by deco.franken.de (CrossPoint v3.02); 31 Jul 1995 23:11:01 +0100 Date: 31 Jul 1995 22:21:00 +0100 From: sonicgroup@deco.franken.de (Alessandro Sanasi) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Message-ID: <5qwGRu5ugzB@deco.franken.de> Subject: meeting X-Mailer: XP v3.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > Ok the meet is sounday the 6th sorry got a date mixed up there Aargh!! How can you do this to me, John? 6:00pm EST means 1:00am Monday morning for me! I can't stay up that long unless on a weekend! Can't you set the meeting time for _SATURDAY_ the 5th at 6:00pm ?? Alessandro --- You get what anyone gets. You get a lifetime. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 21:49:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12233 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:31:12 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12228 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:31:01 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA10305; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:31:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:30:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: StH Game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Ryan Fields wrote: > Hmm, what if I made a game based on the StH Sat AM cartoon and uploaded > it as freeware. Since I wouldn't be making money, SEGA might leave me > alone. :) Nah... So, has anyone actually written to SEGA about them > developing a game with the Sat AM characters? (Not sure why I care, I > don't even own a SEGA system.) If you made it freeware, it wouldn't even make it to court. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 22:19:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12556 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:58:11 -0400 Received: from inetgate.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12544 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:57:58 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by inetgate.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA35593 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:49:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:48:47 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09317534.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic: the Next Generation... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >Please email me if you're interested! I think you'll enjoy the changes I >have in store for Mobius... I'm interested... >< Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 22:35:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12566 for sonic-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:58:42 -0400 Received: from maily2.prodigy.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12561 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:58:31 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail [199.4.137.13]) by maily2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA51093 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:49:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:48:44 EDT From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <013.09317533.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: sonic ideas Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >I wanted to find someone who could program in Pascal and posably help >make an IGM In Game Moud. for LORD Legend of the red Dragon (BBS DOOR) I >am talking about something like Furtoonia's mobious. it whould have a >knothole for good players and a robotroplis for evil. and so on Hey, I could do that! I'm just annoyed that I didn't think of it first! I was working on an IGM for LORD a few months back, but got stuck on it, but I'm willing to try again! I've never been on Furtoonia, but I could try my best to make something Sonic-esque... >< Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 1 01:24:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA15703 for sonic-ll; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:54:51 -0400 Received: from laraby.tiac.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA15698 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:54:29 -0400 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by laraby.tiac.net (8.6.9/8.6.6.Beta9) id AAA21221; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:48:25 -0400 From: Theodore Perrotti Message-Id: <199508010448.AAA21221@laraby.tiac.net> Subject: Re: Still more Sonic music... To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: optimus@laraby.tiac.net (Theodore Perrotti) In-Reply-To: <013.09284338.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> from "MR THADDEUS R BOYD" at Jul 31, 95 00:28:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 533 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net A branch of the Sonic club on the Comics bulletin board, cool! How do I access that bulletin board (I have a regular Internet account, not Prodigy). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti optimus@tiac.net (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (account will be axed soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------