From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 00:15:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA11256 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 00:11:18 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA11249 for sonic; Tue, 2 May 1995 00:11:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 00:11:16 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505020411.AAA11249@sard.mv.net> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: test Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net this is a test of......... of....... the digest feature of majordomo!!! if this works, and I want to test it for a few days, then instructions on how to get the digest version will follow.... From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 00:45:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA11429 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 00:25:59 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA11423 for sonic; Tue, 2 May 1995 00:25:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 00:25:57 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505020425.AAA11423@sard.mv.net> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: test #1 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net sorry to use this list as a gunea pig. test #2 if this doesn't work, I'll use another list for testing. sorry about this! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 18:45:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA15675 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 18:25:07 -0400 Received: from mv.mv.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA15670 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 18:25:06 -0400 Received: by mv.mv.com (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-940616) id SAA19523; Tue, 2 May 1995 18:25:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 18:25:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: too quiet... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net it's too quiet. I didn't break the list, did it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 20:15:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16242 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:12:48 -0400 Received: from hubcap.clemson.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16236 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:12:44 -0400 Received: (pgettle@localhost) by hubcap.clemson.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id UAA24465; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:13:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:13:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Gettle To: sonic@sard.mv.net cc: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: too quiet... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Tue, 2 May 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > it's too quiet. I didn't break the list, did it? Actually, I think you did. :) Seriously though, I think end of college year crunch broke it. Some of us do go to school you know. :) -- Paul Gettle (pgettle@hubcap.clemson.edu) "You're wrong. I'm right. As usual." -- Princess Sally "Caution: Happy Fun Fox may suddenly accellerate to dangerous speeds. Do not taunt Happy Fun Fox." -- Disclaimer From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 20:45:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16424 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:28:14 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16417 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:28:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:28:12 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505030028.UAA16417@sard.mv.net> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: college Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net are most of you guys at college? From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 20:59:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16368 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:24:03 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16362; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:24:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: too quiet... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Tue, 2 May 1995, Paul Gettle wrote: > On Tue, 2 May 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > > > it's too quiet. I didn't break the list, did it? > > Actually, I think you did. :) > > Seriously though, I think end of college year crunch broke it. Some of us > do go to school you know. :) Huh? College? Oh yeah. That. I remember that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 22:15:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA16992 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 22:09:51 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA16987 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 22:09:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (bradc@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA16385; Tue, 2 May 1995 19:17:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 19:17:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Clark Subject: new GIF posted To: sonic@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Hello everyone, Just sent a new Sonic GIF to rat's FTP site, and is now waiting approval. It is sort of a collage (sp?) type thing, with sonic in various poses. Hope this breaks the silence around here lately =) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brad D Clark Orwin Raccoon (IRC/Furtoonia) main--> bradc@unix.infoserve.net alts-->bradclark@blaze.bc.ca Fido 1:153/969 bradclark@haven.ship.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 23:15:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17255 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:00:26 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17250 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:00:23 -0400 Received: from acmew.gatech.edu (acmew.gatech.edu [130.207.165.42]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA00751 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:00:21 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmew.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA07614 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:00:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199505030300.XAA07614@acmew.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: college To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 23:00:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199505030028.UAA16417@sard.mv.net> from "Ratman" at May 2, 95 08:28:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 852 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > are most of you guys at college? > I am! And I'm praying I get a decent computer before the quarter let's out. Otherwise, I'm gone for the summer in a few weeks :( -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 23:30:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17182 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 22:51:50 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17177 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 22:51:47 -0400 Received: from sun-32.cae.wisc.edu (sun-32.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.182]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id VAA01386 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 21:51:45 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-32.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id VAA22523 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 2 May 1995 21:51:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199505030251.VAA22523@sun-32.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: college To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 2 May 95 21:51:42 CDT In-Reply-To: <199505030028.UAA16417@sard.mv.net>; from "Ratman" at May 2, 95 8:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > are most of you guys at college? > I guess I'm in college. Grad school is kinda funny though. When you get far enough the concept of 'semesters' and the breaks between them becomes rather meaningless. On more relevent notes. 1) Comic News. Still no sign of that Sonic & Knuckles 48-page special from Archie. They also hinted at a miniseries including our favorite Happy Fun Fox [Miles 'Tails' Prower]. 2) Sally. My roomate Matt and I are apparently having a bit of an argument as to what species Sally is. I'm in the 'Sally is a Squirrel like all the references say' crowd while Matt is in the 'Sally's got to be a fox' crowd. My point: Its Sally 'Acorn'. Foxes and acorns don't mix. His point: She looks like a fox... Her dad's a fox. (i.e. The Void) My point: Its a toon thing... besides... Archie and Sega apparently say she's a squirrel. His point: Where's her bushy tail? My point: She's a ground squirrel (no bushy tail*). Besides, wouldn't a fox also have a bushy tail? His point: I still think she looks like a fox. 2a) *Sally's tail (and possible lack of it). I've been thinking about this. Maybe royalty (and those closely associated with royalty) have their tails 'clipped' (like many german shepards and sheepdogs). This might explain the lack of Sally's tail (and possibly Antoine's as well). I didn't notice.. Did anyone see a tail on Sally's father? By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :) Another possibility: Sally's tail might've been lost in a scuffle with Robotnik's forces ... I doubt this is a good reason because in that 'Blast from the past' episode we see she didn't have a long tail even before Robotnik took over. 3) Sonic Stories. I've taken a couple of the Sonic stories from this list and formatted them nicely using MicroSquish Word 5.1 (Mac version). If I get around to doing a few more I could send out BINHEX'ed copies via e-mail or FTP to interested parties. -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 303 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 23:45:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17346 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:19:08 -0400 Received: from huey.csun.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17341 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:19:06 -0400 Received: (vboao0f2@localhost) by huey.csun.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id UAA26171; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:17:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 20:15:27 +0800 (PST) From: Sonic the Hedgehog Subject: Am I at College? To: SonicMail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From the Desk of Sonic The Hedgehog, Yes, I am in college. I'm a 2nd year computer science major striving to make my way up with my education here at California State University at Northridge. All this while maintaining the world's largest Sonic Art Archives and enjoying a bloom of email and the sort. :^) Sonic The Hedgehog World's Largest Sonic Art Archives Bryant Melesko From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 00:01:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17519 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:42:01 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17514 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:41:59 -0400 Received: from acmew.gatech.edu (acmew.gatech.edu [130.207.165.42]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA05296 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:41:53 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmew.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA13161 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:41:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199505030341.XAA13161@acmew.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: college To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 23:41:44 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199505030251.VAA22523@sun-32.cae.wisc.edu> from "James Firmiss" at May 2, 95 09:51:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1389 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > I guess I'm in college. Grad school is kinda funny though. When you > get far enough the concept of 'semesters' and the breaks between them > becomes rather meaningless. Hmm...still doing the undergrad thing myself. > 1) Comic News. > Still no sign of that Sonic & Knuckles 48-page special from Archie. > They also hinted at a miniseries including our favorite Happy Fun Fox > [Miles 'Tails' Prower]. That's Archie. > 3) Sonic Stories. > I've taken a couple of the Sonic stories from this list and formatted > them nicely using MicroSquish Word 5.1 (Mac version). Where do you think mine originate? :) I've done the same thing, actually. Nice titles and all... later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 00:46:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA17956 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:40:34 -0400 Received: from holodeck.cc.vt.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA17951 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:40:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199505030440.AAA17951@sard.mv.net> Received: from jpegnato.async.vt.edu by holodeck.cc.vt.edu with SMTP (8.6.10/16.2) id AAA18561; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:40:30 -0400 X-Sender: jpegnato@mail.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 00:40:55 +0600 To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: jpegnato@vt.edu (Jeffrey Pegnato) Subject: Re: college X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >> are most of you guys at college? add one more to that list...I'm out in 8 days... >2) Sally. > My roomate Matt and I are apparently having a bit of an argument as > to what species Sally is. I'm in the 'Sally is a Squirrel like all > the references say' crowd while Matt is in the 'Sally's got to be a > fox' crowd. Tell Matt that he has an ally in the 'Net Freedom Fighters! She's ALL fox IMO. (I'm the only one & I'll be gone in 8 days, but I still exsist) Apparently you've missed alot of the discussions on this topic...you might want to download what you've missed from ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat/sonic & read the hundred or so posts on this subject. I think any & all questions you have come up with can be answered there. l8er. -The Iconoclast *** "When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity." *** - Albert Einstein Working hard to destroy stupidity everywhere... Jeffrey Pegnato jpegnato@vt.edu From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 02:45:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA18835 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:34:26 -0400 Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA18828 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 02:34:23 -0400 Received: from usr4.primenet.com (usr4.primenet.com [198.68.32.14]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with ESMTP id XAA10772 for ; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:34:21 -0700 Received: (rotor@localhost) by usr4.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-c2.0) id XAA04201; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:34:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 23:34:20 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: college In-Reply-To: <199505030440.AAA17951@sard.mv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Am I at college? Well...it depends on what you call a college. I go to a local community college because I'm just too lazy and too flat broke to go to big old ASU. still...comm. college DOES get busy around finals. Not that I NEED to cram...I'm a pretty smart guy. Anyway, that's where I am...I don't post because I'm busy...It's just that I rarely have anything to say! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "What do you get when you cross a lawyer with a godfather?" "You get an offer you can't understand." --David Pistone's distinguished collection of dumb lawyer jokes David M. Pistone -- rotor@primenet.com __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ ftp.primenet.com/users/r/rotor /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / http://www.primenet.com/~rotor / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 03:15:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA18915 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:05:11 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA18910 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 03:05:09 -0400 Received: from srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24679; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:58:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 00:58:36 -0600 (MDT) From: "William T. Graham" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: college, Sally #3 & Sonic #24 In-Reply-To: <199505030028.UAA16417@sard.mv.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Tue, 2 May 1995, Ratman wrote: > are most of you guys at college? Not I, any more. I escaped last year with a BSc. :-) ObSonic: I just picked up Princess Sally #3 and Sonic #24 today as my subscription copies haven't arrived yet. Now I can go read the summaries posted here last week. In Sally #3, I got a big kick out of the "HANGER 18" sign (not "hangar"; maybe it's a pun on the hanging sign itself), especially considering the type of vehicles found there. And I was thrilled by the twist at the end of the story! I also noticed that Sonic #24 is printed on a different kind of paper, and the note in the masthead about using recycled paper was gone. - William Graham, net.freedom-fighter for Mobius - From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 08:48:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA19900 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:42:38 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA19895 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:42:33 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22732; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:42:30 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA21848; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:42:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9505031242.AA21848@edmund> Subject: tails...you lose To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:42:27 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199505030251.VAA22523@sun-32.cae.wisc.edu> from "James Firmiss" at May 2, 95 09:51:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net OK, usually I don't insinuate myself in an argument between two people, but as keeper of the FAQ File I think I'd better add in my $.02: > My roomate Matt and I are apparently having a bit of an argument as > to what species Sally is. I'm in the 'Sally is a Squirrel like all > the references say' crowd while Matt is in the 'Sally's got to be a > fox' crowd. > My point: Its Sally 'Acorn'. Foxes and acorns don't mix. > His point: She looks like a fox... Her dad's a fox. (i.e. The Void) > My point: Its a toon thing... besides... Archie and Sega apparently > say she's a squirrel. > His point: Where's her bushy tail? > My point: She's a ground squirrel (no bushy tail*). Besides, wouldn't > a fox also have a bushy tail? > His point: I still think she looks like a fox. > > 2a) *Sally's tail (and possible lack of it). > I've been thinking about this. Maybe royalty (and those closely > associated with royalty) have their tails 'clipped' (like many > german shepards and sheepdogs). This might explain the lack of > Sally's tail (and possibly Antoine's as well). I didn't notice.. > Did anyone see a tail on Sally's father? > > By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is > just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :) > > Another possibility: Sally's tail might've been lost in a scuffle > with Robotnik's forces ... I doubt this is a good reason because > in that 'Blast from the past' episode we see she didn't have a > long tail even before Robotnik took over. > Tell your friend to read the relevant FAQ (and I thought I knew what a FAQ was until I started keeping the file!). Apparently your roomie wasn't part of the discussion on trans-species mating that happened here some time back. Evidence: the flashforward at the end of "Sally's Crusade" (In Your Face #1) as well as the beginning of "The Return" (Sonic #21). This sort of thing never came up on television because you know how the watchdogs in Broadcast Standards & Practices can be. ;-) Bottom line: it's possible the King's mate wasn't a fox and that Sally takes after her mother ([shameless plug] about whom, see my fanfic, "Bloodlines"). Between the comics and Teitelbaum, Sally is definitely identified as a chipmunk/ground squirrel--hence, the absence of a major tail. Needless to say, I concur about Antoine being any kind of a "donor" to Tails -- it's just ridiculous. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 09:19:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA20079 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:59:28 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA20074 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:59:25 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA06308 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:59:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 8:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950503085922.92c@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: college, Sally #3 & Sonic #24 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 00:58:36 -0600 (MDT) >From: "William T. Graham" >I just picked up Princess Sally #3 and Sonic #24 today as my subscription >copies haven't arrived yet. Now I can go read the summaries posted here >last week. Did I miss something? I don't remember seeing any reviews of #24, and was thinking of posting one this week... I also don't think it's in the latest FAQ... >I also noticed that Sonic #24 is printed on a different kind of paper, >and the note in the masthead about using recycled paper was gone. I never noticed any notes about recyled paper before. To go somewhat off-topic, I see the Star Trek comics are now using some slick paper. Frankly, I kind of liked the old "newsprint" stuff - sure it didn't last that well, but I don't know that the stories are _that_ special, nor is it worth the bigger $ they end up charging... RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 09:40:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA20034 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:54:46 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA20028 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:54:41 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA05920 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:54:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 8:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, bradclar@outb.wimsey.bc.ca, james.walt@mercopus.com, pearse@rpi.edu, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950503085438.92c@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Sally's tail, was Re: college Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From: James Firmiss >Date: Tue, 2 May 95 21:51:42 CDT >1) Comic News. > Still no sign of that Sonic & Knuckles 48-page special from Archie. Since I never got into Knuckles, I'm not waiting with bated breath... (I'd rather have more Sally & Bunnie). > They also hinted at a miniseries including our favorite Happy Fun Fox > [Miles 'Tails' Prower]. That might be OK, depending on what they do with him... >2) Sally. > My roomate Matt and I are apparently having a bit of an argument as > to what species Sally is. I'm staying out of this one :^) >2a) *Sally's tail (and possible lack of it). [...] > Did anyone see a tail on Sally's father? The Void was on last Saturday and I decided to watch it again (I was feeling masochistic, I guess...). Sally's father's tail definitely came and went - now you saw it, now you didn't... > By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is > just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :) If the unknown furry seen in the opening credits is Tails (note that this doesn't fit in with the continuity of Blast to the Past), then one possibility is that the pollution introduced by Robotnik caused a mutation in him _after_ he was born. RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 09:46:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA20023 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:54:04 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA20018 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:54:00 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22969; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:53:57 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA22506; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:53:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9505031253.AA22506@edmund> Subject: Re: college To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:53:54 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199505030028.UAA16417@sard.mv.net> from "Ratman" at May 2, 95 08:28:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Quoth the Ratman: > > are most of you guys at college? > What gave it away, the ".edu" in my address? Very much so. In fact, I work in the library at my old college (Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI) from whence I graduated with a BA in theology in '74. I also have a Master's in library science, and by virtue of that I'm considered to be on the faculty here -- the professional librarians here have faculty rank even though we're not necessarily teaching faculty. One of the perks is that faculty can take up to 5 credits in coursework per quarter and not pay tuition. So I'm slowly wending my way towards a Master's in Jewish studies at the seminary on campus. This quarter I'm slogging through Aramaic (it's a Biblical language related to Hebrew). So I'm not just "at college": I work at one (specifically as the editor of a periodical index) and I take a course on the side. At the ripe old age of 43, I'd guess I'm one of the senior members of the list. I know you didn't ask but I didn't want to sound like an overachiever =). We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 16:46:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA23911 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 16:31:26 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA23906 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 16:31:24 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA26716; Wed, 3 May 1995 16:25:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:25:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: college In-Reply-To: <199505030028.UAA16417@sard.mv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Tue, 2 May 1995, Ratman wrote: > are most of you guys at college? Not me anymore. I got a BS degree in audio technology in 1991 at Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro (~30mi SE of Nashville). I've not done an actual count, but I think there are quite a few .edu addresses in the subscriber database. That and .com are probably the most prevalent. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 21:16:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA26229 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 20:46:29 -0400 Received: from sonic.segaoa.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA26224 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 20:46:17 -0400 Received: from blackhole.segaoa.com by sonic.segaoa.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA20401; Wed, 3 May 1995 17:46:39 +0800 Received: by blackhole.segaoa.com with Microsoft Mail id <2FA8239F@blackhole.segaoa.com>; Wed, 03 May 95 17:45:19 PDT From: "Wallis, Mike" To: Sonic mailing list Subject: Re: Sonic character info Date: Wed, 03 May 95 17:45:00 PDT Message-Id: <2FA8239F@blackhole.segaoa.com> Encoding: 31 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 content-length: 1180 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Okay, okay... I've had this e-mail sitting in my mailbox for quite some time now, so I'd better respond to it... Work has been keeping me busy lately. [regarding the Sonic Bibles] >Any chance of us poor plebes getting our hands on copies of these? I'd >gladly pay duplication costs or what have you... Ummm... I don't know. The Style Guide is available through our licensing department, but it's not cheap (I've heard $100). I suppose I could run it through a photocopier for you guys, but the licensing group wouldn't like that... >> Hope you enjoyed it! I'll post info on Robotnik and Tails in a few days. >Oooh, I wanna see! I wanna see! Tails is so happy fun, and Mr. R is >grossly underestimated... Well, I've been kinda busy lately... Sorry. I'm trying to get Comix Zone (a new interactive comic book fighting game) released. Now where did I put that info on Tails... I'm going to have to look for it. Hopefully soon... Grrrr... :) >Got anything on Knuckles, pray tell? Just artwork (one of the model sheet picts I scanned and put up on the FTP site) right now. Hopefully they'll write something up soon... Same with Sally---just artwork. -Mike From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 22:16:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA26636 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:54:17 -0400 Received: from spot.Colorado.EDU by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA26631 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 21:54:15 -0400 Received: from Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU [140.226.1.8]) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) with ESMTP id TAA06656 for ; Wed, 3 May 1995 19:53:57 -0600 Received: (from av643@localhost) by Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA29224; Wed, 3 May 1995 19:53:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 19:53:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199505040153.TAA29224@Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU> From: av643@Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (Dan Ramos) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Am I at College? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net OH! BTW, guys.. I bought a SLEW of these for RooCon3 (a small furry gathering locally) and thught mebbe the rest of ya should know about 'em: SONIC THE HEDGEHOG BUBBLE GUM (in a small Game Gear shaped container) The packaging on this is VERY much like a miniature game gear (cross- pad on the left, two buttons on right and START button above those two). Inside, it contains FIVE large (2.5" x 1.5") rectangle soft bubblegum pieces and FIVE Sonic Game Gear game trading cards. They seem to go for $0.99 everywhere I've bought them. NET WT 1.05OZ., 30g Distributed by: Amurol Confections Co., Yorkville, IL 60560 USA From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 08:49:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA29324 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 08:35:57 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA29319 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 08:35:50 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA01832 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 08:35:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 8:35:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, bradclar@outb.wimsey.bc.ca, james.walt@mercopus.com, pearse@rpi.edu, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, sonic@sard.mv.net, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950504083534.2235@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sally's tail, was Re: college Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:46:14 -0400 >From: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas) Hope you don't mind the CC to both the Sonic list and my own little distribution; your last comment ought to provoke a nice flamewar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion :^) >I was under the impression that Sally was a ground squirrel, who >do not need the long, bushy tails of their tree dwelling cousins >for balance. Hence their tails are rather short...almost bobbed. Except I remember seeing a Discovery Channel documentary or something on them, and their tails certainly weren't as short as Sally's... Maybe there's variation in ground squirrels or some junk... >>> By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is >>> just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :) >All toons have detachable tails. Didn't you know that? :-) Examples? :^) (Wild takes don't count :^)) I don't remember seeing this on TTA, or even Bonkers (except maybe for Fall-apart Rabbit...) >And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm >rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic, >who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions >of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-) I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^) Ron From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 09:46:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA29689 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 09:37:58 -0400 Received: from lance.castle.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA29684 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 09:37:56 -0400 Received: from arther (Arther.castle.net [204.97.214.3]) by lance.castle.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA28767 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 09:35:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 09:39:40 -0400 (EDT) From: cosmo@Castle.net X-Sender: cosmo@arther To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: A new lurker writes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From: Ron Bauerle and >>From: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas) wrote >>And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm >>rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic, >>who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions >>of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-) >I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^) I have to agree here, I never did care for Sonic's personality. He's the 'Star' or 'Hero' in name only. What does he have going for him? Just Speed and a lot of luck. Sally has all the leadership skills and the brains (for plot reasons the TV show would give Sonic brief flashes of insight, but they never really 'fit' Sonic) What the problem is, Sonic's is too limited by the 'personality' that SEGA created for the video game. Fast, blue, who 'stretched' his personality by tapping his shoe waiting for the player to get back from the bathroom! (that by the way was the big breakthrough that made Sonic more of a personality than his true arch enemy..Mario!) Now Sally and St. John are more interesting because they were created for 'plot' not game play. Even Tails is more interesting because he was more flexable (his traits from Sonic 2 being more 'amiable' and flexable, of course Tails could never become the 'classic' hero, at least without a lot of growing up, but he can fit into a number of sidekick roles) Also Sally and St. John both LOOK a lot cuter than Sonic, fur is so much nicer than 'glumby cartoon quills' ...Way past! :-) Cosmo From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 16:46:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA03474 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 16:23:42 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA03469 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 16:23:29 -0400 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA11487; Thu, 4 May 1995 13:20:38 -0700 From: quozl@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) Message-Id: <199505042020.NAA11487@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Sally's tail, was Re: college To: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com (Ron Bauerle) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, bradclar@outb.wimsey.bc.ca, james.walt@mercopus.com, pearse@rpi.edu, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, sonic@sard.mv.net, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com In-Reply-To: <950504083534.2235@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at May 4, 95 08:35:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2381 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > >Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:46:14 -0400 > >From: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas) > > Hope you don't mind the CC to both the Sonic list and my own little > distribution; your last comment ought to provoke a nice > flamewar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion :^) Following up the same way, since I havwe been involved here... :) > >I was under the impression that Sally was a ground squirrel, who > >do not need the long, bushy tails of their tree dwelling cousins > >for balance. Hence their tails are rather short...almost bobbed. > > Except I remember seeing a Discovery Channel documentary or something on > them, and their tails certainly weren't as short as Sally's... Maybe > there's variation in ground squirrels or some junk... There are about half-a-dozen to a dozen species of ground squirrels, most of which *do not* have prominent tails. Some of them have only stubs for tails, hence it's mistaken to think chipmunks are in the squirrel family, even though they're similar. My reference is an Audubon (sp?) Society guide to NA mammals.... > >>> By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is > >>> just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :) > > >All toons have detachable tails. Didn't you know that? :-) > > Examples? :^) (Wild takes don't count :^)) I don't remember seeing this > on TTA, or even Bonkers (except maybe for Fall-apart Rabbit...) The Warner Siblings.... :) > >And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm > >rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic, > >who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions > >of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-) > > I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^) Sonic is a misunderstood character, but oddly enough, there isn't much known WRT the relationship between St.John and Sally, ie: *how* they fell in love-- The comic only gives that hint right at the end with the kiss and the diary note... And that's it. ....Quozl! -- //////======////////// |Dennis M. Falk |221 Huntoon St.|TTA/Animaniacs/WB / @ ) \\\\\\\\\\ |aka "Quozl Mephit"|Eureka, CA |TaleSpin/CnD-RR *___(_____(___| |(quozl@netcom.com)|95501-4115 USA |Fifi/Babs/Minerva Supporting your right to own a pet Mustelid! (Skunks, ferrets, otters, minks..) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 17:16:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA03635 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 16:58:35 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA03629 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 16:58:28 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10018; Thu, 4 May 1995 16:58:15 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA20828; Thu, 4 May 1995 16:58:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9505042058.AA20828@edmund> Subject: Scripting the Hedgehog (was: Re: a new lurker...) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:58:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "cosmo@castle.net" at May 4, 95 09:39:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > I have to agree here, I never did care for Sonic's personality. He's the > 'Star' or 'Hero' in name only. What does he have going for him? Just > Speed and a lot of luck. Sally has all the leadership skills and the > brains (for plot reasons the TV show would give Sonic brief flashes of > insight, but they never really 'fit' Sonic) > > What the problem is, Sonic's is too limited by the 'personality' that > SEGA created for the video game. Fast, blue, who 'stretched' his > personality by tapping his shoe waiting for the player to get back from > the bathroom! > > Now Sally and St. John are more interesting because they were created for > 'plot' not game play. Even Tails is more interesting because he was more > flexable (his traits from Sonic 2 being more 'amiable' and flexable, of > course Tails could never become the 'classic' hero, at least without a lot > of growing up, but he can fit into a number of sidekick roles) > > Cosmo > This is something I've had to face in developing my own fanfic (I've got a couple-three more stories in development). Sonic's been tough to write for, since it's hard to get past the argot and the attitude. Tough, but not impossible. Hope the results speak for themselves one of these days. In one story (possible hint of a spoiler here) he runs into an old friend from pre-Robotnik days, and events test that friendship. But I'll say no more. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 19:16:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA05084 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 19:10:51 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA05079 for ; Thu, 4 May 1995 19:10:49 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA16661; Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Who's that squirrel? (#24) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today. Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the beginning of the story? |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! 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(#24) (spoilers) Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" >This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be >considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about >the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today. Here's a form feed for extra protection :^) >Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the >beginning of the story? No, but she is kind of cute (no Buttermilk Slappy though...) This gives me an excuse to offer my review of this issue: When Hedgehogs Collide! written by Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders Pencils by Dave Manak (Chapters 1 and 2) and Art Mawhinney (Chapters 3 and 4) Inks by Harvo (??) (Chapters 1 and 2) and Rich Koslowski (Chapters 3 and 4) The story opens with Sonic, Sally, Antoine, and Tails all mistreating various members of Knothole (which is somewhat oddly shown as kind of a medieval village - various vendors selling stuff in the "town square", etc. Also, Antoine's mischief involves a sports car - since when does anybody run around in motorized vehicles?) Chapter 2 reveals that these 4 are really the evil imposters from the alternate universe seen previously in issues 11 and 19. Apparently Robotnik is a "kindly ol'... grade-A wimp!", and the SWATbots do all the work, so life is boring (at least for bad guys like these). So they decided for kicks to come to "our dimension" (rather handy how they can hop on the "cosmic interstate" whenever they want) and make trouble for our heroes. Drooling fanboys should note that this chapter has a few shots of the evil Sally in leather... Also, that Tails and Rotor have facial stubble; I didn't know furries could do that :^) Chapter 3 begins with a major continuity glitch as Sonic, Tails, and Antoine come through Rotor's "Timespace Matter Projector" (TM) back from "negative reality", but couldn't "pierce the ZONE OF SILENCE where Robotnik exiled Sally's dad KING ACORN!" ???? Nice exchange between Sonic and Nicole here... Sally almost catches them talking about their attempt, and there's a brief reference to the Princess Sally Miniseries story. However, before either can talk about (or evade :^)) these topics, the angry villagers attack them thinking they're the bad guys. Our heroes escape to figure out what to do... (Note: Tails flies off with Antoine, Sally hitches a ride with Sonic, and Rotor flies off with a jetpack.) The "Sonic art" pinup is nothing special. Part 4 has the imposters attack again, but this time wearing their "leathers"; the villagers _still_ don't get it... The first panel shows a rabbit mother and her son running away from them. This is as good a place as any to note that Bunnie doesn't appear in this issue :^( The imposters decide to attack a band of "poor innocent gypsies" who, natch, are our heroes in disguise. We get to see how handy Sally is with a bow and arrow, then your basic fight scene as everybody goes hand-to-hand (paw-to-paw?) with their counterparts. However, they are too evenly matched, so Sally yells "Change partners!" and this does the job. The story ends with our Sonic telling evil Sonic "game over - you lose!" and he gets the reply: "Shows how much YOU know, pretty boy! I got what I came for! A fight!" and then he faints. Sally asks Sonic how he can live with himself, and he replies "Confidentially, Princess, it ain't easy!" The announcements section on the letters page has a plug for the Sonic & Knuckles comic, plus the fact that the 25th issue will be an adaptation of the CD Game featuring Mecha Sonic!! Covers for both are shown; with I was more enthused about either... Nothing special in the fan letters, but the reply to one notes that the Tails mini-series will be on sale next fall. (Do they mean _this_ fall?) (actually, it was probably _last_ fall when they wrote that, so this fall was really last fall's next fall - have I lost everybody yet? :^) There was a nice exchange between Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck along that line one time - I wish I had a transcription of it.) That's it; I hope this was worth the half-hour it took me... RDB From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 04:46:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA07994 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 04:43:36 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA07987 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 04:43:33 -0400 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id BAA08624; Fri, 5 May 1995 01:42:35 -0700 From: quozl@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) Message-Id: <199505050842.BAA08624@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Who's that squirrel? (#24) (spoilers) To: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com (Ron Bauerle) Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 01:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, bradc@unix.infoserve.net, james.walt@mercopus.com, pearse@rpi.edu, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com In-Reply-To: <950504195125.2235@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at May 4, 95 07:51:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 7111 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Here I go again, replying to another of Ron's posts with my unique POV... :) > >Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) > >From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" > > >This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be > >considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about > >the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today. > > Here's a form feed for extra protection :^) > > >Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the > >beginning of the story? > > No, but she is kind of cute (no Buttermilk Slappy though...) Cute, yes, but a bit on the young side for me- I think she's about 12 here.. > This gives me an excuse to offer my review of this issue: And my um, comments thereof follows.... Be prepared: I'm not kind today! > When Hedgehogs Collide! > > written by Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders > Pencils by Dave Manak (Chapters 1 and 2) and Art Mawhinney (Chapters 3 and 4) > Inks by Harvo (??) (Chapters 1 and 2) and Rich Koslowski (Chapters 3 and 4) In general, not very well drawn in alot of spots, though there were some good points, though... Writing could've been better, too. Nowhere *near* the calibre of work put into the Princess Sally miniseries, unfortunately! :( > The story opens with Sonic, Sally, Antoine, and Tails all mistreating > various members of Knothole (which is somewhat oddly shown as kind of a > medieval village - various vendors selling stuff in the "town square", etc. > Also, Antoine's mischief involves a sports car - since when does anybody > run around in motorized vehicles?) I was rather bothered by these two factors, myself, considering (a) they're in our future, and (b) Knothole has always been, in the DiC cartoons (my exposure, natch), to be a makeshift rebel compound, and not a self-contained community.... Considering Archie is taking up the reigns in presenting the Sonic universe after the cancellation of the DiC cartoons, and the big draw is *coming* from the DiC SatAM audience, it's disconcerting at best.... > Chapter 2 reveals that these 4 are really the evil imposters from the > alternate universe seen previously in issues 11 and 19. Apparently > Robotnik is a "kindly ol'... grade-A wimp!", and the SWATbots do all the > work, so life is boring (at least for bad guys like these). So they > decided for kicks to come to "our dimension" (rather handy how they can hop > on the "cosmic interstate" whenever they want) and make trouble for our > heroes. Drooling fanboys should note that this chapter has a few shots of > the evil Sally in leather... Also, that Tails and Rotor have facial > stubble; I didn't know furries could do that :^) Chapter 2 was an overall improvement after Ch. 1- In the beginning, at least. There *are* certain .fandom-esque notes to be made here, particularly of Sally (as mentioned) and of course, Sonic's desk! Turning the scene upside-down and read from left to right we have: Sonic Sonic Sonic Sonic + + + + Sally Bunnie Nicole Sonic The first, obviously was no surprise and the second caught me off-guard, not expecting seeing something I suspected being confirmed (yeah, I know; alternate world, but there are parallels between the two Sonics, including interests and egos!); however, I was *totally* surprised by the latter two, and had me ROTFLing! :) (But then again, Sonic *does* love himself!- It's Nicole that caught me off-guard here! :) ) > Chapter 3 begins with a major continuity glitch as Sonic, Tails, and > Antoine come through Rotor's "Timespace Matter Projector" (TM) back from > "negative reality", but couldn't "pierce the ZONE OF SILENCE where Robotnik > exiled Sally's dad KING ACORN!" ???? Nice exchange between Sonic and > Nicole here... Mediocre chapter here..... [....] > The "Sonic art" pinup is nothing special. Agreed..... > Part 4 has the imposters attack again, but this time wearing their > "leathers"; the villagers _still_ don't get it... The first panel shows > a rabbit mother and her son running away from them. This is as good a > place as any to note that Bunnie doesn't appear in this issue :^( This chapter had some considerable improvement overall, notably in the art, notably in this splash page... And yes, Bunnie is conspicuous by her absense in this comic. I think it's probably because the issue is a regression to the style of the *syndicated* DiC cartoon, which the comic series was initially based on.. > The imposters decide to attack a band of "poor innocent gypsies" who, > natch, are our heroes in disguise. We get to see how handy Sally is with a > bow and arrow, then your basic fight scene as everybody goes hand-to-hand > (paw-to-paw?) with their counterparts. However, they are too evenly > matched, so Sally yells "Change partners!" and this does the job. Third .fandom-esque note: Sally *in* a skirt- Then she takes the skirt off! > The story ends with our Sonic telling evil Sonic "game over - you lose!" > and he gets the reply: "Shows how much YOU know, pretty boy! I got what I > came for! A fight!" and then he faints. Sally asks Sonic how he can live > with himself, and he replies "Confidentially, Princess, it ain't easy!" The fight was so-so; the ending was a typical Sonic statement, though it would've been something he would've been more upbeat about... Frankly, I didn't care much for the story. OK, I've been spoiled rotten by the SatAM DiC cartoon, and the Princess Sally miniseries, and most of the fanfic written *so far* has been better than *this*.... Come on, fellas! I'd rather have the quality of the Princess Sally miniseries over *this!* :( > The announcements section on the letters page has a plug for the Sonic & > Knuckles comic, plus the fact that the 25th issue will be an adaptation of > the CD Game featuring Mecha Sonic!! Covers for both are shown; with I was > more enthused about either... Same here.... > Nothing special in the fan letters, but the reply to one notes that the > Tails mini-series will be on sale next fall. (Do they mean _this_ fall?) > (actually, it was probably _last_ fall when they wrote that, so this fall > was really last fall's next fall - have I lost everybody yet? :^) > There was a nice exchange between Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck along that line > one time - I wish I had a transcription of it.) "Ah-hah! Pronoun trouble!" :) > That's it; I hope this was worth the half-hour it took me... That's okay- I just went through 1-1/2 Art Of Noice CDs typing this reply.... That's an hour, mind you..... (OK, so I'm slow... Nothing new about *that*....) .....Quozl! -- //////======////////// |Dennis M. Falk |221 Huntoon St.|TTA/Animaniacs/WB / @ ) \\\\\\\\\\ |aka "Quozl Mephit"|Eureka, CA |TaleSpin/CnD-RR *___(_____(___| |(quozl@netcom.com)|95501-4115 USA |Fifi/Babs/Minerva Supporting your right to own a pet Mustelid! (Skunks, ferrets, otters, minks..) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 05:16:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA08019 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 04:46:35 -0400 From: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA08011 for sonic-digest; Fri, 5 May 1995 04:46:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 04:46:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199505050846.EAA08011@sard.mv.net> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: sonic V1 #3 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net sonic Friday, 5 May 1995 Volume 01 : Number 003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: college On Tue, 2 May 1995, Ratman wrote: > are most of you guys at college? Not me anymore. I got a BS degree in audio technology in 1991 at Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro (~30mi SE of Nashville). I've not done an actual count, but I think there are quite a few .edu addresses in the subscriber database. That and .com are probably the most prevalent. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| ------------------------------ From: "Wallis, Mike" Date: Wed, 03 May 95 17:45:00 PDT Subject: Re: Sonic character info Okay, okay... I've had this e-mail sitting in my mailbox for quite some time now, so I'd better respond to it... Work has been keeping me busy lately. [regarding the Sonic Bibles] >Any chance of us poor plebes getting our hands on copies of these? I'd >gladly pay duplication costs or what have you... Ummm... I don't know. The Style Guide is available through our licensing department, but it's not cheap (I've heard $100). I suppose I could run it through a photocopier for you guys, but the licensing group wouldn't like that... >> Hope you enjoyed it! I'll post info on Robotnik and Tails in a few days. >Oooh, I wanna see! I wanna see! Tails is so happy fun, and Mr. R is >grossly underestimated... Well, I've been kinda busy lately... Sorry. I'm trying to get Comix Zone (a new interactive comic book fighting game) released. Now where did I put that info on Tails... I'm going to have to look for it. Hopefully soon... Grrrr... :) >Got anything on Knuckles, pray tell? Just artwork (one of the model sheet picts I scanned and put up on the FTP site) right now. Hopefully they'll write something up soon... Same with Sally---just artwork. -Mike ------------------------------ From: av643@Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (Dan Ramos) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 19:53:56 -0600 Subject: Re: Am I at College? OH! BTW, guys.. I bought a SLEW of these for RooCon3 (a small furry gathering locally) and thught mebbe the rest of ya should know about 'em: SONIC THE HEDGEHOG BUBBLE GUM (in a small Game Gear shaped container) The packaging on this is VERY much like a miniature game gear (cross- pad on the left, two buttons on right and START button above those two). Inside, it contains FIVE large (2.5" x 1.5") rectangle soft bubblegum pieces and FIVE Sonic Game Gear game trading cards. They seem to go for $0.99 everywhere I've bought them. NET WT 1.05OZ., 30g Distributed by: Amurol Confections Co., Yorkville, IL 60560 USA ------------------------------ From: Ron Bauerle Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 8:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Sally's tail, was Re: college >Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:46:14 -0400 >From: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas) Hope you don't mind the CC to both the Sonic list and my own little distribution; your last comment ought to provoke a nice flamewar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion :^) >I was under the impression that Sally was a ground squirrel, who >do not need the long, bushy tails of their tree dwelling cousins >for balance. Hence their tails are rather short...almost bobbed. Except I remember seeing a Discovery Channel documentary or something on them, and their tails certainly weren't as short as Sally's... Maybe there's variation in ground squirrels or some junk... >>> By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is >>> just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :) >All toons have detachable tails. Didn't you know that? :-) Examples? :^) (Wild takes don't count :^)) I don't remember seeing this on TTA, or even Bonkers (except maybe for Fall-apart Rabbit...) >And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm >rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic, >who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions >of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-) I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^) Ron ------------------------------ From: cosmo@Castle.net Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 09:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: A new lurker writes >From: Ron Bauerle and >>From: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas) wrote >>And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm >>rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic, >>who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions >>of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-) >I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^) I have to agree here, I never did care for Sonic's personality. He's the 'Star' or 'Hero' in name only. What does he have going for him? Just Speed and a lot of luck. Sally has all the leadership skills and the brains (for plot reasons the TV show would give Sonic brief flashes of insight, but they never really 'fit' Sonic) What the problem is, Sonic's is too limited by the 'personality' that SEGA created for the video game. Fast, blue, who 'stretched' his personality by tapping his shoe waiting for the player to get back from the bathroom! (that by the way was the big breakthrough that made Sonic more of a personality than his true arch enemy..Mario!) Now Sally and St. John are more interesting because they were created for 'plot' not game play. Even Tails is more interesting because he was more flexable (his traits from Sonic 2 being more 'amiable' and flexable, of course Tails could never become the 'classic' hero, at least without a lot of growing up, but he can fit into a number of sidekick roles) Also Sally and St. John both LOOK a lot cuter than Sonic, fur is so much nicer than 'glumby cartoon quills' ...Way past! :-) Cosmo ------------------------------ From: quozl@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sally's tail, was Re: college > > >Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:46:14 -0400 > >From: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas) > > Hope you don't mind the CC to both the Sonic list and my own little > distribution; your last comment ought to provoke a nice > flamewar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion :^) Following up the same way, since I havwe been involved here... :) > >I was under the impression that Sally was a ground squirrel, who > >do not need the long, bushy tails of their tree dwelling cousins > >for balance. Hence their tails are rather short...almost bobbed. > > Except I remember seeing a Discovery Channel documentary or something on > them, and their tails certainly weren't as short as Sally's... Maybe > there's variation in ground squirrels or some junk... There are about half-a-dozen to a dozen species of ground squirrels, most of which *do not* have prominent tails. Some of them have only stubs for tails, hence it's mistaken to think chipmunks are in the squirrel family, even though they're similar. My reference is an Audubon (sp?) Society guide to NA mammals.... > >>> By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is > >>> just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :) > > >All toons have detachable tails. Didn't you know that? :-) > > Examples? :^) (Wild takes don't count :^)) I don't remember seeing this > on TTA, or even Bonkers (except maybe for Fall-apart Rabbit...) The Warner Siblings.... :) > >And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm > >rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic, > >who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions > >of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-) > > I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^) Sonic is a misunderstood character, but oddly enough, there isn't much known WRT the relationship between St.John and Sally, ie: *how* they fell in love-- The comic only gives that hint right at the end with the kiss and the diary note... And that's it. ....Quozl! - -- //////======////////// |Dennis M. Falk |221 Huntoon St.|TTA/Animaniacs/WB / @ ) \\\\\\\\\\ |aka "Quozl Mephit"|Eureka, CA |TaleSpin/CnD-RR *___(_____(___| |(quozl@netcom.com)|95501-4115 USA |Fifi/Babs/Minerva Supporting your right to own a pet Mustelid! (Skunks, ferrets, otters, minks..) ------------------------------ From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Scripting the Hedgehog (was: Re: a new lurker...) > > I have to agree here, I never did care for Sonic's personality. He's the > 'Star' or 'Hero' in name only. What does he have going for him? Just > Speed and a lot of luck. Sally has all the leadership skills and the > brains (for plot reasons the TV show would give Sonic brief flashes of > insight, but they never really 'fit' Sonic) > > What the problem is, Sonic's is too limited by the 'personality' that > SEGA created for the video game. Fast, blue, who 'stretched' his > personality by tapping his shoe waiting for the player to get back from > the bathroom! > > Now Sally and St. John are more interesting because they were created for > 'plot' not game play. Even Tails is more interesting because he was more > flexable (his traits from Sonic 2 being more 'amiable' and flexable, of > course Tails could never become the 'classic' hero, at least without a lot > of growing up, but he can fit into a number of sidekick roles) > > Cosmo > This is something I've had to face in developing my own fanfic (I've got a couple-three more stories in development). Sonic's been tough to write for, since it's hard to get past the argot and the attitude. Tough, but not impossible. Hope the results speak for themselves one of these days. In one story (possible hint of a spoiler here) he runs into an old friend from pre-Robotnik days, and events test that friendship. But I'll say no more. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ ------------------------------ From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Who's that squirrel? (#24) This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today. Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the beginning of the story? |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| ------------------------------ From: Ron Bauerle Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Who's that squirrel? (#24) (spoilers) >Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" >This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be >considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about >the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today. Here's a form feed for extra protection :^) >Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the >beginning of the story? No, but she is kind of cute (no Buttermilk Slappy though...) This gives me an excuse to offer my review of this issue: When Hedgehogs Collide! written by Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders Pencils by Dave Manak (Chapters 1 and 2) and Art Mawhinney (Chapters 3 and 4) Inks by Harvo (??) (Chapters 1 and 2) and Rich Koslowski (Chapters 3 and 4) The story opens with Sonic, Sally, Antoine, and Tails all mistreating various members of Knothole (which is somewhat oddly shown as kind of a medieval village - various vendors selling stuff in the "town square", etc. Also, Antoine's mischief involves a sports car - since when does anybody run around in motorized vehicles?) Chapter 2 reveals that these 4 are really the evil imposters from the alternate universe seen previously in issues 11 and 19. Apparently Robotnik is a "kindly ol'... grade-A wimp!", and the SWATbots do all the work, so life is boring (at least for bad guys like these). So they decided for kicks to come to "our dimension" (rather handy how they can hop on the "cosmic interstate" whenever they want) and make trouble for our heroes. Drooling fanboys should note that this chapter has a few shots of the evil Sally in leather... Also, that Tails and Rotor have facial stubble; I didn't know furries could do that :^) Chapter 3 begins with a major continuity glitch as Sonic, Tails, and Antoine come through Rotor's "Timespace Matter Projector" (TM) back from "negative reality", but couldn't "pierce the ZONE OF SILENCE where Robotnik exiled Sally's dad KING ACORN!" ???? Nice exchange between Sonic and Nicole here... Sally almost catches them talking about their attempt, and there's a brief reference to the Princess Sally Miniseries story. However, before either can talk about (or evade :^)) these topics, the angry villagers attack them thinking they're the bad guys. Our heroes escape to figure out what to do... (Note: Tails flies off with Antoine, Sally hitches a ride with Sonic, and Rotor flies off with a jetpack.) The "Sonic art" pinup is nothing special. Part 4 has the imposters attack again, but this time wearing their "leathers"; the villagers _still_ don't get it... The first panel shows a rabbit mother and her son running away from them. This is as good a place as any to note that Bunnie doesn't appear in this issue :^( The imposters decide to attack a band of "poor innocent gypsies" who, natch, are our heroes in disguise. We get to see how handy Sally is with a bow and arrow, then your basic fight scene as everybody goes hand-to-hand (paw-to-paw?) with their counterparts. However, they are too evenly matched, so Sally yells "Change partners!" and this does the job. The story ends with our Sonic telling evil Sonic "game over - you lose!" and he gets the reply: "Shows how much YOU know, pretty boy! I got what I came for! A fight!" and then he faints. Sally asks Sonic how he can live with himself, and he replies "Confidentially, Princess, it ain't easy!" The announcements section on the letters page has a plug for the Sonic & Knuckles comic, plus the fact that the 25th issue will be an adaptation of the CD Game featuring Mecha Sonic!! Covers for both are shown; with I was more enthused about either... Nothing special in the fan letters, but the reply to one notes that the Tails mini-series will be on sale next fall. (Do they mean _this_ fall?) (actually, it was probably _last_ fall when they wrote that, so this fall was really last fall's next fall - have I lost everybody yet? :^) There was a nice exchange between Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck along that line one time - I wish I had a transcription of it.) That's it; I hope this was worth the half-hour it took me... RDB ------------------------------ From: quozl@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 01:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Who's that squirrel? (#24) (spoilers) Here I go again, replying to another of Ron's posts with my unique POV... :) > >Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) > >From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" > > >This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be > >considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about > >the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today. > > Here's a form feed for extra protection :^) > > >Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the > >beginning of the story? > > No, but she is kind of cute (no Buttermilk Slappy though...) Cute, yes, but a bit on the young side for me- I think she's about 12 here.. > This gives me an excuse to offer my review of this issue: And my um, comments thereof follows.... Be prepared: I'm not kind today! > When Hedgehogs Collide! > > written by Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders > Pencils by Dave Manak (Chapters 1 and 2) and Art Mawhinney (Chapters 3 and 4) > Inks by Harvo (??) (Chapters 1 and 2) and Rich Koslowski (Chapters 3 and 4) In general, not very well drawn in alot of spots, though there were some good points, though... Writing could've been better, too. Nowhere *near* the calibre of work put into the Princess Sally miniseries, unfortunately! :( > The story opens with Sonic, Sally, Antoine, and Tails all mistreating > various members of Knothole (which is somewhat oddly shown as kind of a > medieval village - various vendors selling stuff in the "town square", etc. > Also, Antoine's mischief involves a sports car - since when does anybody > run around in motorized vehicles?) I was rather bothered by these two factors, myself, considering (a) they're in our future, and (b) Knothole has always been, in the DiC cartoons (my exposure, natch), to be a makeshift rebel compound, and not a self-contained community.... Considering Archie is taking up the reigns in presenting the Sonic universe after the cancellation of the DiC cartoons, and the big draw is *coming* from the DiC SatAM audience, it's disconcerting at best.... > Chapter 2 reveals that these 4 are really the evil imposters from the > alternate universe seen previously in issues 11 and 19. Apparently > Robotnik is a "kindly ol'... grade-A wimp!", and the SWATbots do all the > work, so life is boring (at least for bad guys like these). So they > decided for kicks to come to "our dimension" (rather handy how they can hop > on the "cosmic interstate" whenever they want) and make trouble for our > heroes. Drooling fanboys should note that this chapter has a few shots of > the evil Sally in leather... Also, that Tails and Rotor have facial > stubble; I didn't know furries could do that :^) Chapter 2 was an overall improvement after Ch. 1- In the beginning, at least. There *are* certain .fandom-esque notes to be made here, particularly of Sally (as mentioned) and of course, Sonic's desk! Turning the scene upside-down and read from left to right we have: Sonic Sonic Sonic Sonic + + + + Sally Bunnie Nicole Sonic The first, obviously was no surprise and the second caught me off-guard, not expecting seeing something I suspected being confirmed (yeah, I know; alternate world, but there are parallels between the two Sonics, including interests and egos!); however, I was *totally* surprised by the latter two, and had me ROTFLing! :) (But then again, Sonic *does* love himself!- It's Nicole that caught me off-guard here! :) ) > Chapter 3 begins with a major continuity glitch as Sonic, Tails, and > Antoine come through Rotor's "Timespace Matter Projector" (TM) back from > "negative reality", but couldn't "pierce the ZONE OF SILENCE where Robotnik > exiled Sally's dad KING ACORN!" ???? Nice exchange between Sonic and > Nicole here... Mediocre chapter here..... [....] > The "Sonic art" pinup is nothing special. Agreed..... > Part 4 has the imposters attack again, but this time wearing their > "leathers"; the villagers _still_ don't get it... The first panel shows > a rabbit mother and her son running away from them. This is as good a > place as any to note that Bunnie doesn't appear in this issue :^( This chapter had some considerable improvement overall, notably in the art, notably in this splash page... And yes, Bunnie is conspicuous by her absense in this comic. I think it's probably because the issue is a regression to the style of the *syndicated* DiC cartoon, which the comic series was initially based on.. > The imposters decide to attack a band of "poor innocent gypsies" who, > natch, are our heroes in disguise. We get to see how handy Sally is with a > bow and arrow, then your basic fight scene as everybody goes hand-to-hand > (paw-to-paw?) with their counterparts. However, they are too evenly > matched, so Sally yells "Change partners!" and this does the job. Third .fandom-esque note: Sally *in* a skirt- Then she takes the skirt off! > The story ends with our Sonic telling evil Sonic "game over - you lose!" > and he gets the reply: "Shows how much YOU know, pretty boy! I got what I > came for! A fight!" and then he faints. Sally asks Sonic how he can live > with himself, and he replies "Confidentially, Princess, it ain't easy!" The fight was so-so; the ending was a typical Sonic statement, though it would've been something he would've been more upbeat about... Frankly, I didn't care much for the story. OK, I've been spoiled rotten by the SatAM DiC cartoon, and the Princess Sally miniseries, and most of the fanfic written *so far* has been better than *this*.... Come on, fellas! I'd rather have the quality of the Princess Sally miniseries over *this!* :( > The announcements section on the letters page has a plug for the Sonic & > Knuckles comic, plus the fact that the 25th issue will be an adaptation of > the CD Game featuring Mecha Sonic!! Covers for both are shown; with I was > more enthused about either... Same here.... > Nothing special in the fan letters, but the reply to one notes that the > Tails mini-series will be on sale next fall. (Do they mean _this_ fall?) > (actually, it was probably _last_ fall when they wrote that, so this fall > was really last fall's next fall - have I lost everybody yet? :^) > There was a nice exchange between Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck along that line > one time - I wish I had a transcription of it.) "Ah-hah! Pronoun trouble!" :) > That's it; I hope this was worth the half-hour it took me... That's okay- I just went through 1-1/2 Art Of Noice CDs typing this reply.... That's an hour, mind you..... (OK, so I'm slow... Nothing new about *that*....) .....Quozl! - -- //////======////////// |Dennis M. Falk |221 Huntoon St.|TTA/Animaniacs/WB / @ ) \\\\\\\\\\ |aka "Quozl Mephit"|Eureka, CA |TaleSpin/CnD-RR *___(_____(___| |(quozl@netcom.com)|95501-4115 USA |Fifi/Babs/Minerva Supporting your right to own a pet Mustelid! (Skunks, ferrets, otters, minks..) ------------------------------ End of sonic V1 #3 ****************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 13:16:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA10015 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 13:10:20 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA10009; Fri, 5 May 1995 13:10:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 13:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Sonic FAQ File Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Aparrently mailing lists in digest mode won't let messages bigger than the max digest size (which was 30K). I upped it to 100K, so it should be fine now. Still gotta get some bugs out of the digesting of lists.. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 09:16:13 -0400 From: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net To: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: BOUNCE sonic: Message too long (>30000) >From owner-sonic Fri May 5 09:16:10 1995 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA08771 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 09:15:57 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27800; Fri, 5 May 1995 09:15:53 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA02911; Fri, 5 May 1995 09:15:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9505051315.AA02911@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 09:15:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ - //|\__/ \\ ___- \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ ascii Sonic by Han J. Lee |====================== THE SONIC FAQ FILE =====================| May 5, 1995 edition Compiled by: Daniel J. Drazen Contributors: Ron Bauerle, Brad Clark, James Firmiss, Maureen Furniss, Craig Moore, Michiyo Nakajima, Paula O'Keefe, Eric E. Pearson, Jeff Pegnato, David Pistone, Alessandro Sanasi, Erich Schulman, Fred Sloniker, Andy White, Shawn Wolski Address all comments, corrections, contributions and flames to: drazen@andrews.edu ***************************************************************** WHAT'S NEW?: [Note: There WILL be spoilers. You have been warned. DJD] #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island, and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. **************************************************************** I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS C. OTHER SOURCES I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ============================= Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. Q5: "Sally Acorn?" Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? ================================================================ Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? A: The writers of Sonic comics solicited reader responses to this in issue #___; the replies were printed in issue #___. They range from transplantation to mutation. The latest entry is in the Sonicgram of #22. They state that Tails just happened to be born that way--with no other comment (thus illustrating the difference between an Explanation and an Answer). At this point, there is no "official" explanation as to how Tails got that way, so you're pretty much free to believe what you like. Personally, I prefer the theory that it is a mutation, induced by Robotnik's pollution of Mobius. This would accord with the fact that Tails had not been born when Robotnik took over (cf. Q6). Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? A: No, his real name is "Miles Prower" (you have to say it sorta fast to get the joke). That was his name when he was introduced on the front screen of the Sonic 2 video game. Tails was given as his nickname, and it stuck. Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. A:This argument has been put forward by the "Sally is a fox" camp (see below). However, if that were true, then he'd also be related to Bunnie, as he's been known to address her as "Aunt Bunnie." For that matter, it seems that everyone in the Knothole gang refers to Sir Charles Hedgehog as "Uncle Chuck," though he's technically only uncle to Sonic. While it was not explicitly stated in either the comics or in the cartoons, it has to be kept in mind that all of the freedom fighters' families were disrupted by Robotnik's takeover of Mobius. It's safe to assume that they all have had relatives who have ended up being roboticized. As a result, they have become not so much a paramilitary resistance group as a loose-knit family. Sonic, for instance, clearly relates to Tails as if the latter was his little brother, the difference in species notwithstanding. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. A: Admittedly, it's trickier to spot some species in the series than others. Herewith is the list: Sonic and Sir Charles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .hedgehogs Bunnie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rabbit Tails. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Rotor. . . . . . . . . . . . . .walrus (sea lion, cf. Teitelbaum) Antoine D'Coolette . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Sally Acorn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ground squirrel/chipmunk Sally's father . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox The identification of Sally as a ground squirrel is based on extended discussion of the topic on Internet {alt.fan.furry and rec.arts.animation). She was also declared to be a ground squirrel in the comics, most recently in the Sonicgram of Sonic #19. As for the designation "ground squirrel/chipmunk", which has been questioned by at least one correspondent, I entered it this way on the assumption that the two terms were synonymous. I have consulted a dictionary, which states that the term "ground squirrel" applies to several kinds of rodents, including the chipmunk genus _Tamias_. Given the present ambiguity, the designation will remain as is. Despite this, controversy continues. Identifying Sally's species has been particularly vexing to some fans, especially those who reason that since Sally's father is clearly a fox, then she must be one herself. It is possible that Sally takes after her mother in this regard more than her father. Cross-species mating is a definite possibility, and an example is implied in the "flashforward" at the end of "Sally's Crusade" [Sonic: In Your Face #1]. At this point, the identification of Sally's nanny, Rosie, remains ambiguous. Given her buck teeth, she could be either a beaver or a woodchuck. Since she is always shown wearing a long cloak, I've been unable to spot the character beaver tail. Final identification is still pending. Q5: "Sally Acorn"? A: This is how she was identified as far back as the beginning of the comics [Sonic Miniseries, #0, Mar 1993]. Technically, royalty do not have surnames or family names in the accepted sense; rather, the title of the personage tends to serve the purpose. Her middle name, Alicia, is apparently seldom used (cf. "Blast to the Past," part 1). If you wanted to be grandiose about it, Sally's formal title would be: Sally Alicia, Princess of the House of Acorn. But in any event it's unlikely that Sally's formal title will come back into use so long as Robotnik is in charge. Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? A: According to the TV series ["Blast to the Past: part 1"] Sonic and Sally were both 5 years old when Sally's father was overthrown and Robotnik took over. Two other age clues were given in the "Drood Henge" episode: that Tails was 10 years old, and that Sally wouldn't "come of age" for another two years. At one point, Sally's age is explicitly given as being 16, though the comics reportedly put both at age 15. Subtracting 5 from 16 leaves the number of years Robotnik has been in charge: 11. Thus, it would appear that Tails was born after the fall of the House of Acorn. Still, the simplest way out of this dilemma would be to put the age of majority on Mobius at 17 instead of 18; that would eliminate the extra year differential without altering the stated ages of Sonic and Sally (in the comics) or of Tails (in "Drood Henge"). Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? A: Archie Comics was supposed to roll out a three-part miniseries starring Sally as the main character. The story actually began with "Deadliest of the Species" in Sonic #20. The cover art for the miniseries, however, differed in subsequent advertisements: one cover for the first issue prominently featured Geoffrey St. John, while another did not. The third issue cover either does or doesn't feature Sally doing battle with a clone of herself, depending upon where you see it. Two different versions of the cover for #2 appeared in Sonic #22. The fact that the Sally creative team PLUS Archie Comics PLUS Sega reportedly came together to discuss "improving" the series (as reported in the Sonicgram for Sonic #21) would seem to indicate that someone had come down with a case of "creative differences." In any event, the "improved" Sally miniseries began shipping the week of Feb 13. Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? A: How, in other words, is Sonic able to run so fast? Apparently the same way you get to Carnegie Hall in the old joke: practice. I'm serious; here is the only print explanation I've come across so far: "Years ago, when things were right on Mobius, there lived a hedgehog named Sonic.... Sonic was only interested in running as fast as he could. Every day he practiced." [Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_. Mahwah, NJ: Troll, 1993, pp.7- 8]. And that's the extent of Teitelbaum's explanation. Thanks a heap, Mike! Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: The following represents the positions of neither ABC, Sega nor DiC, but rather is a recap of scuttlebutt on the Sonic e-mail group: DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. ================================================================= NOTICE: The fact that episode and story summaries appear here means there is a good chance that you will encounter spoilers. This is your only notice! II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE 1. First Season: 1993-94 Super Sonic Writer: Jules Dennis When Nicole malfunctions, Sonic and Sally go to Robotropolis to get replacement parts. While there, they discover the Forbidden Zone and a being named Lezar. Lezar causes Sonic to lose his speed abilities, and teaches him that he can still accomplish things without it. Sonic Boom Writer: Len Janson While on a mission in Robotropolis, Sally intercepts a message which includes the use of her father's pet name for her. They follow the lead to the Dark Swamp and the remains of Ironlock Prison. In the process, a freedom fighter named Cat is captured. The freedom fighters gain maps to Robotropolis, but the search for Sally's father proves futile. Sonic and Sally Writers: Pat Allee and Ben Hurst Before becoming the principle writers for the second season, Allee and Hurst wrote this account of Sally's capture by Robotnik's forces. Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Back in Knothole, Tails begins to doubt Sally's behavior because of small details, such as how she reads a bedtime story. After first dismissing Tails' fears, Sonic also comes to realizes he's been dealing with a "Stepford Sally." Hooked on Sonics Writer: Randy Rogel In an attempt to impress Sally, Antoine tries to capture Robotnik by himself. He attempts to lure Robotnik into the open with the offer of a power ring, but Antoine is himself captured and Sonic has to rescue him. Ultra Sonic Writer: David Villaire While on a raid in Robotropolis, Sonic finds his Uncle Chuck as a robot worker in a crystal mine. Uncle Chuck recovers his mind and will long enough to help destroy a giant crystal which would have damaged the ecosystem of the entire planet. As Uncle Chuck loses control of his will, Sonic vows to return for him. Sonic's Nightmare Writer: Frank Santopadre The freedom fighters are captured and held on a deserted island refinery. Sonic must not only rescue them but he also has to deal with a recurring nightmare where he unable to prevent Sally's being roboticized. Warp Sonic Writer: Matt Uitz The freedom fighters discover an underground civilization called Lower Mobius and one of its citizens, Griff. Lower Mobius draws energy from a power crystal, but it is weakening. Feigning friendship, Griff visits Knothole and steals the power stone which is the source of the power rings. After fighting off some mechanical rats, the power stone is retrieved. Griff apologizes for his theft and is given a portion of the stone to aid Lower Mobius. Harmonic Sonic Writer: David Villaire After Robotnik launches a robot-manned orbiting space station to locate Knothole, the Knothole freedom fighters use a rocket booster to reach and destroy it. Sonic and the Secret Scrolls Writer: Janis Diamond The freedom fighters journey to Mauga (sp?) to recover some legendary scrolls, but Robotnik is tailing them. Robotnik's ship is hurled off a plateau by a violent wind, and the Knothole gang mistakenly believe he is finished. Will they make the same mistake at the end of the second season? Sub-Sonic Writer: Barbara Slade Sonic discovers a stream of water that makes plants grow at a fantastic rate. In their search for the source, the Knothole gang discover a subterranean creature whose habitat has been disturbed by Robotnik's drilling operations. Heads or Tails Writer: Len Janson On a raid of Robotropolis, Sonic runs into Muttski, his now- roboticized pet dog and vows to return him to normal someday. The freedom fighters also have to contend with a squadron of Buzzbombers carrying an orange defoliant [Agent Orange? Hmmmm...] intent on destroying the Great Forest and exposing Knothole. Artwork in this ep is decidedly off-model. Sonic Past Cool Writers: Kayte Kuch & Sheryl Scarborough Tails finds a baby terrapod and the freedom fighters escort the terrapod herd to Boulder Bay, where they will be safe from Robotnik. Sonic Racer Writer: Len Janson While on a mission to disable Robotnik's power generators, Sonic is tempted into participating in a contest against a super-fast robot designed to capture him. While he engages the bot, Bunnie, Sally and Antoine go after their target: Robotnik's back-up generator. 2. Second Season: 1994-95 Game Guy Sonic rescues someone from capture by Robotnik; he turns out to be Ari, a freedom fighter from another group. Ari directs Sonic to a place which turns out to be a trap. Sonic manages to escape (after Robotnik toys with him), but Ari--whose comrades were roboticized and who was himself deceived by Robotnik--is sucked into the Void. Before falling into the Void, Ari says something about a list of other freedom fighters. Sonic Conversion To my way of thinking, THE breakthrough episode for the series! The Knothole gang test a deroboticizing process on Bunnie, whose partially-roboticized body is returned to normal. Sonic then goes after Uncle Chuck and is able to convince him to undergo the process. However, the process turns out to be only temporary as, in a poignant scene, Bunnie reverts to a half-robot. When Uncle Chuck reverts to robotic form, he captures Tails and Antoine for delivery to Robotnik; Sonic confronts him and manages to break the hold on Uncle Chuck's mind. Uncle Chuck returns to Robotropolis to work as a spy for the Knothole gang. No Brainer Sonic's thought processes are temporarily scrambled while on a mission in Robotropolis. Taking advantage of the situation, Snively convinces Sonic that they are friends. The disruption wears off just as the Knothole gang face imminent capture. Blast to the Past (two parts) Dulcy takes Sonic and Sally to a floating island where they use the Time Stones to return to Mobotropolis on the eve of the planet's conquest by Dr. Robotnik (then known as Julian, affiliated with the War Ministry and supposedly in charge of its dismantling). They also encounter themselves as 5-year-olds and learn that it was Sonic's Uncle Chuck who had perfected the roboticizer process in the first place, though Julian/Robotnik stole the process. Sally and Sonic work to keep their child selves from being roboticized, to prevent the Great Forest from being destroyed, and to make sure that Sally's nanny, Rosie, would not get captured. Fed Up With Antoine/Ghost Busted (back to back episodes) Feeling unappreciated, Antoine allows himself to be made "king" by a group of renegades, unaware that with the office comes the "honor" of being an entree./While out camping, Sonic's ghost story panics Tails, and Antoine once more demonstrates his ineptitude. Dulcy Dulcy begins having overpowering urges to fly to Dragonsnest, a nesting site for female dragons. She, Sonic and Sally, arrive just as Robotnik has captured another female dragon; they then discover the dragon's egg inside Dragonsnest. Taking the egg back to Knothole, they rescue the female dragon who returns in time to hatch the egg. The Void Sonic discovers an opening to the Void while out in the "Great Unknown" [another name for the Forbidden Zone?]. Sally and Bunnie are put under a spell and pulled into the Void by a sorcerer named Naugus, who had been imprisoned there years before by Robotnik and who needs Sonic's speed to escape. Sonic learns what has happened from Nicole and allows himself to be pulled into the Void. Attempting to rescue Sally and Bunnie, he is tricked into rescuing what he thinks is Sally's father but is really Naugus. Sonic returns to the Void and finds not only Sally and Bunnie but the King and Ari as well. He brings them all out, but Naugus and the King have spent so much time in the Void that their bodies cannot handle living on Mobius. Naugus breaks off his tormenting of Robotnik, and Sally's father gives her the list of other resistance groups. On the whole, Sally goes through the emotional rollercoaster ride of her life. The Odd Couple/Ro-Becca (back to back episodes) After a crash landing by Dulcy leaves Sonic homeless he moves in with Antoine, who predictably gets bent out of shape by Sonic's lifestyle./Rotor cobbles together a robot which develops the hots for Antoine. Cry of the Wolf The Knothole freedom fighters search for and discover the Wolf Pack, the remnants of an ancient race who are now one of the other resistance groups. After several unsuccessful attempts to destroy a test pod from the Doomsday Project, Sonic draws it into a lightning storm and destroys it. Drood Henge Sonic and Tails discover an archaeological dig by Robotnik; they learn from Nicole that the object of the search is the Deep Power Stones, and that Robotnik has recovered one of the two. Tails comes up with a plan to retrieve the second stone before Robotnik can get to it. Spyhog On the eve of final preparations of the Doomsday project, Robotnik begins to suspect that there is a spy in his midst. Uncle Chuck's cover is blown, but he escapes capture and goes back underground with a different cover. Doomsday In the season finale, a combined force of the five freedom fighter groups tries to destroy the Doomsday project. Robotnik, however, seems to have too many safeguards built in. As a last resort, Sonic and Sally use the Deep Power Stones. The Doomsday project is destroyed; Robotnik's fate is uncertain but Snively is ready to step into his shoes in a burst of megalomania and overacting. Cliffhanger: who or what does Snively have to help him? We'll never know: ABC chose not to run StH for a third season. VOICE CREDITS: SONIC: Jaleel White SALLY: Kath Soucie NICOLE: Kath Soucie (uncredited) TAILS: Bradley Pierce BUNNIE: Christine Cavanaugh ANTOINE: Rob Paulsen ROTOR: Mark Ballou (1st season) Cam Brainard (2d season) DULCY: Cree Summer Franks UNCLE CHUCK: William Windom ROBOTNIK: Jim Cummings SNIVELY: Charlie Adler ADDITIONAL VOICES: (First season): David Doyle Gaille Heindenmann Dana Hill Danny Mann Jason Marsden Charlie Schlatter Frank Welker (Second season): Shari Belafonte: Lupee (?) Michael Bell: Naugus (?) Crystal Cooke Tim Curry: Sally's father; Keeper of the Time Stones Dave Fennoy Dorian Harewood John Kassir Katie Leigh Nancy Linari Victor Love Tahj Mowry Hal Rayle Alaina Reed Hall Lindsay Ridgeway April Winchell Want to contact DiC? Write or phone: DiC 303 North Glenoaks Blvd. Burbank, CA 91502 (818) 955-5400 (818) 955-5696 (FAX) B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS [CONTRIBUTIONS WELCOME] Now, direct from the Great White North, Brad Clark summarizes the original Sonic miniseries: Issue 0 "Don't Cry For Me, Mobius" Story: Michael Gallagher, Art: Scott Shaw! Sonic is chased by Dr. Robotnik. After the chase, which Robotnik loses, Sonic returns to Knothole where most of the main characters are introduced for the first time. (Note: Rotor is referred to as "Boomer.") Antoine then announces that there is a leak in Knothole (Knothole is located underground in this issue) that is caused by Robotnik. Sonic defeats Robotnik with a power ring. "The Royal Family of Mobius" Takes place before Robotnik was in power and has Sonic and Uncle Chuck running a chilidog take-out stand. Robotnik destroys the stand and captures Muttski and Uncle Chuck. Sonic meets Sally (with yellow hair and red fur) who introduces him to the rest of the freedom fighters in Knothole. Issue 1 "Run, Sally, Run" Story and art: Gallagher & Shaw! Sally [this time with pink fur and black hair] goes to see Robotnik about the return of her father. Robotnik captures Sally and almost throws her into the "Robo-machine." Sonic rescues Sally only to discover that Sally had wanted to get caught in order to gather information on the roboticizer, using some special boots designed by Boomer/Rotor. Issue 2 "A Crowning Achievement" Gallagher & Shaw! again. Sally decides to wear the "Crown of the Acorn Kings" which belonged to her father, but the crown is missing. They discover a robotic freedom fighter who tells them that Robotnik has stolen the crown and has scattered its jewels (the four Chaos Emeralds) throughout the land. Sonic retrieves the emeralds and Boomer/Rotor repairs the crown. Issue 3 "Sonic Flashback" Gallagher & Shaw! Sonic and Robotnik recall when they were kids. Uncle Chuck invents the power rings. Sonic and Robotnik have an argument, and it escalates until Robotnik is constructing mechanical monsters out of Uncle Chuck's appliances. Sonic then wakes up -- it was all just a daydream -- and resumes being chased by Robotnik. "Why Ask Spy" Sonic is made to look like a robot to trick Robotnik and to destroy one of his factories. In the process, Sonic discovers Uncle Chuck and Muttski who have both been roboticized. Sonic destroys the factory. #18 [Jan 1995]: "Wedding Bell Blues" Robotnik gets word of Sonic and Sally's impending wedding and plans an attack. "In the Still of the Night" While trying to determine the nature of the mysterious orb (cf. "First Star....", #17), Sally is called to the bedside of her old mentor, Julayla, just before she dies. Sonicgram: includes statement that Sonic is 15, and a German fan disses Dave Manak's artwork Sonic: In Your Face #1 [1995] "Sally's Crusade: The Quest" The orb is revealed to be a casing surrounding Nicole. Sally, with the others in tow, searches for what turns out to be Julayla's last testament. The significance of this document is spelled out in a "flashforward" at the end of the story. "Mirror Zone" An excuse to practice backwards lettering. Sonicgram: Sally's age is given as "about 15." [Note, if you're going to guess a lady's age, guess on the low side ;-) ] "Tails' Tallest Tale" Tails substitutes for Sonic, putting in an appearance at a con. His exaggerations almost get him into trouble. Artwork by Shaw!. #19 [Feb 1995]: "Night of a Thousand Sonics" In order to defeat Robotnik's latest scheme, Sonic has to call in as many versions of himself from as many parallel universes as he can. Artwork by Manak for the first half, Mawhinney for the second. Sonicgram: The name of Sally's father is given as "King Acorn" (but see FAQ #5). Scott Fulop hedges on when Knuckles will make an appearance and whose side he'll be on. Again, Sally is identified as a "ground squirrel." Hint is dropped as to a Sonic motion picture in the works. #20 [Mar 1995]: "That's the Spirit" Exposure to an antimatter explosion renders Sonic invisible; Sally and the others [Tails being the exception] believe he is dead. The comedic pacing and Manak's artwork mar what otherwise might have been a very poignant story. Great line (Sonic to Robotnik--who thinks he's dealing with a ghost): "Give Mobius back to the freedom fighters, lose weight and get a hairpiece!" "Deadliest of the Species" [Prologue to the Princess Sally miniseries] While on a sabotage mission, Sally is confronted by someone claiming to be part of a rebel underground. Sonicgram: Once again lists Sally's age as 15. #21 [Apr 1995]: "3 Phases of E.V.E" Pat Spaziante debuts as a story artist. Robotnik unleashes E.V.E. ["exceptionally versatile evolvoid"] to capture Sonic. As Sonic manages to outsmart E.V.E., it simply adapts to another form to compensate. Sonic lures it to Robotnik's headquarters where, assuming a self-conscious form, E.V.E. determines that it is being held back by its biological inheritance from Sonic and Robotnik [i.e., individual cells used in E.V.E.'s creation]. E.V.E. toasts Robotnik, but thanks to some quick thinking by Sonic--apparently, Sally's influence is rubbing off on him ;-) -- E.V.E. spares Sonic and travels out into space on a journey of self-actualization. Is Robotnik really history? That's the tease--stay tuned, probably until after the Sally miniseries. Sonicgram: announcement of the delay in rolling out the Sally miniseries; another special issue (48pp) due out in May. #22 [May 1995] "The Return," written by Ken Penders, art by Pat Spaziante & Harvey M. The story opens with Sonic & Sally MCW (Married with Children; cf. the end of "Sally's Quest" in _In Your Face #1_). Sonic & Sally are out with the kids when, during a lightning storm, an apparition of Robotnik appears and just as suddenly disappears. Have your pencils and scorecards ready to try and follow the remainder of the plot: Robotnik is actually on a satellite talking with Robo-Robotnik from "Night of a Thousand Sonics," (#19), only in this case only the consciousness of Robo-Robotnik (hereinafter "R-R") remains resident. Robotnik convinces R-R to teleport him back to Mobius, where it turns out Snively has activated an alternative Doomesday device which would go off if Robotnik was ever defeated. Robotnik actually deactivates "Operation Wasteland" himself to keep from being ruler over nothing and to have the pleasure of saying to Sonic: "You owe me!" Robotnik and Sonic MWC are declared to be at a stalemate. What about R-R? Who knows? Muddled story saved by Spaziante artwork. "Tails Knighttime Story," written by Angelo Decasare, art by Dave Manak & John Dagostino. As Tails grumps about "get[ting] baby-sat" while Sonic has all the fun and adventures, Sally tells him a bedtime story wherein Sonic is Sir Runalot and Tails is his page who "borrows" his armour one day and who, mistaken for the aforementioned knight, ends up doing battle with Sir Knightmare of Robotannia (guess who?) until the real Sir Runalot saves his...er...tails. Sonicgram: the comics should get a FAQ File, since two letters pepper them with questions (most are answered: "Keep reading." Translation: "we're working on it!"). The cover of Princess Sally #2 in an ad on the same page differs from one which appears on p. 17 of the same issue(!), thus bolstering the "creative differences" theory in Q7. #23 [Jun 1995] "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Tails, Robotnik and Snively are all captured by Car-Heem, a giant alien who wants to study them. In order to save Robotnik from "disposal," Sonic convinces Car-Heem that they are interdependent species, a novelty to the autonomous Car-Heem. Thanks to a diversion by Sonic, the others escape their confinement in a craft of Robotnik's design. Although Robotnik blows Car-Heem and Sonic out of Car-Heem's spacecraft's airlock, Rotor retrieves them. In gratitude, Car-Heem returns everyone to Mobius and Rotor, inspired, releases the inhabitants of his ant farm [Heavy Message]. There's also a really bad pun which I'm not going to reveal. Do-It-Yourself Sonic Contest winners announced. "Vol-ANT-teer" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Antoine ventures into Robotropolis alone to retrieve Tails' lost backpack with a power ring in it. Bunnie shadows him just in case. Surprising last panel gives the impression that Antoine isn't exactly clueless. Sonicgram: Further indication that Knuckles will put in an appearance in the next Sonic special, though no hint as to his allegiance; look for an appearance by Knack the Weasel [c.f., the Triple Trouble game] in the same issue. #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island, and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. Princess Sally Mini-series #1 [April 1995] Summary by Ron Bauerle "Deadliest of the Species!" written by Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders, art by Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski. Opens with a nice splash page summarizing the struggle so far and describes the main characters (get this: "Antoine is renouned for his military skills" - okayyyy...). Next it recaps Sally's meeting Geoffrey St. John...in StH #20. Sally & Geoffrey are attacked by SWATbots after destroying the facility and manage to beat them off [hey, Ron, let's leave their private lives out of this ;-) ] and exchange some banter in the process (I can't call it friendly but it's not really sarcastic either). They then head back to the camp where some young trainee freedom fighters are waiting for Sally. Geoffrey mistakes them for enemies and jumps a pig (Hamlin) but they're separated by Sally. This establishes some bad blood between Hamlin and Geoffrey that continues all issue. The team proceeds to its next target (an energy substation) and after battling SWATbots and ORBbots manage to destroy it. During the battle Geoffrey saves Hamlin's life but Hamlin still doesn't trust him. That night, when everyone else is asleep, Geoffrey slips away, activates a teleportal, enters some kind of building and descends to its basement where he speaks to a figure in a glass case: Sally!? Also some fan art: two pics of Sally & Bunnie (both NBD), and one of Sally as a dominatrix (!). Princess Sally Miniseries #2 (Summary by Erich Schulman): The story opens with a fight between St. John and Hamlin, and Sally gives Hamlin a scolding. To reach the third, undestroyed substation, the freedom fighters use a new (!?) technology: hang gliders. Arlo's hang glider is hit by the defenses and he is wounded in action; Penelope volunteers to stay with him. Once inside, Sally and St. John are attacked by an octopod, and everyone barely manages to escape the explosions. Upon leaving, they find that Sally and Penelope are gone. Sally says they will return to camp without them (to which Hamlin is opposed), and they never show up again. Did you have your doubts about St. John? That night, St. John replaces Sally with a lookalike robot and delivers the real Sally to Robotnik. Fan mail (singular; only one letter appears): Will Sonic and Sally marry? "Could be." Has Sally met Knuckles? She will in a forthcoming 48-page S&K special. Does Sally have a mother, and if so what does she look like? "Of course...her origin may yet be told." Or [shameless plug] you can read about it in "Bloodlines" in the fanfic section of Rotor's homepage. "Deadliest of the Species, Part III" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Art Mawhinney (Summary: James Firmiss) (Recap of parts 0, 1 and 2 omitted) Sally, Hamlin and Dylan are fighting their way into Robotropolis with paint guns and grenades (blinding SWATbots). Dylan believes that attacking at half strength isn't wise, yet they press on. Hamlin nearly falls from a collapsing catwalk but Sally rescues him. They eventually reach their objective, break down the doors and find...Robotnik, St. John and Sally (in the container). Hamlin believes Geoffrey to be a traitor so he jumps him. Sally breaks it up and says she and St. John are on the same side. Robotnic reveals that Sally is an auto-automaton, a perfect robot duplicate, and that there was no weakness in the defense system. His master plan is to replace key members of the freedom fighters--we see auto-automatons of Sonic and Tails being built. Robotnik also plans to roboticize the Sally delivered to him by St. John. Robotnik begins the roboticization process but the chamber blows up because a "feedback loop" has occurred. Something which is impossible unless...he were trying to roboticize a robot! The real Sally was with Dylan and Hamlin. Sally tries to 'arrest' Robotnik, but large StealthBots emerge from the walls and capture the freedom fighters. Note: you could see the outlines of the StealthBots 5 pages back. St. John pushes a button on a remote control and a vehicle burrows its way up through the floor. Out pop Penelope, Arlo and three "moles". They help free Sally, Dylan and Hamlin (more paint guns). Robotnik manages to activate a 30-second self-destruct and disappears down an escape chute. Sally and the others all head for the vehicle maintenance area and grab saucer-shaped air cars (from Hanger 18! X-P ) and get out with no time to spare. With everyone back at the base, Hamlin, Penelope, Arlo and Dylan are promoted to full-fledged freedom fighters. Sally tries to convince Geoffrey to come to Knothole but he declines in order to rejoin the Rebel Underground. He does engage Sally in some serious lip-locking before they part. If you're not confused yet, here's a run-down of the plot- twists, as Sally explains them at the end: The FIRST Sally switch occurred right at the beginning of Part 1 shortly after meeting St. John. St. John really was the leader of the "Rebel Underground" and acted as a double agent in order to gain Robotnik's trust and activate the robot double prematurely in order to find out what its plans were. It was the auto-automaton Sally that helped attack the 2d and 3d substations. It was such a good copy that it could give orders, make hard choices, and even grieve for missing comrades. But did you notice the two clues that would have tipped you off that this was an automated Sally: 1. "Auto" Sally wore a purple vest instead of a blue one. 2. "Auto" Sally referred to Geoffrey by his first name, while the real Sally always called him "Mr. St. John." The SECOND Sally switch occurred in Part II, when Robotnik (and the reader) was supposed to think that Sally was being replaced by a robot double. And what about Arlo and Penelope? They were taken away by the moles from the literal Rebel UNDERGROUND. The Rebel Underground was also supposed to be backup in case anything unexpected happened. "This is definitely one of the most complicated stories Archie's Sonic group has ever come up with. Congrats...." JF SallyGram: Horace Hawkins (14) wishes Sally a Happy Valentine's Day, and expresses the desire to be her boyfriend. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Scott Fulop (Editor) asks if there is interest in a MONTHLY Sally comic. If so, send a postcard with the following: Give me Princess Sally. Monthly. NOW!!! to: SallyGrams c/o Archie Comic Publishing 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 NOTES FROM THE NET: that's the heading suggested for comix- related posts to a.f.s-h by none other than Paul Castiglia of Archie Comics. Seems P.C. thinks that NftN would make a good subsection of the Sonic Grams, and said so in a recent post. The idea is that you can post to a.f.s-h, and your post (and e-mail address if you want) will be reprinted in NftN. But ONLY if you specify that it's for NftN. Apparently Archie Comics is still getting a feel for whether they should go ahead with the plan, so let's see some support for it! Hmmm, wonder if Sally's e-mail address is princess@frdmftrs.mobius.org ? COMIC PUBLISHERS: For subscriptions and back issues--US & Canada: Archie Comics 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 (914) 381-5155. $15.00/year US monthly $18.00/year CAN monthly For subscriptions and back issues--United Kingdom (Fleetway Editions comics): Sonic The Comic Subscription Dept. OR Back Issue Zone Aim Ltd. P.O. Box 10 Pallion Industrial Estate Sunderland, SR4 6SN UNITED KINGDOM 01144-91-5102290 L28.60 (=28 pounds, 60 pence)/year UK fortnightly L45.00/year Europe fortnightly L47.00/year Overseas surface mail fortnightly L55.00/year Overseas airmail fortnightly C. OTHER SOURCES Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ (c)1994: Mahwah, New Jersey: Troll Associates. _Sonic the Hedgehog_ synopsis: Note: Any resemblance between this book and the original comics miniseries shouldn't be surprising; what IS surprising is how far from the TV series this is. Herewith, the "Cliff's Notes" description: Ch.1: At the beginning, Sonic is 7, Robotnik is 15, and both are staying with Uncle Chuck (you get some idea of how non-canonical this is going to get!). While Robotnik is only interested in gadgets, Sonic is only interested in running fast. While Uncle Chuck works on perfecting a power ring, Robotnik cannibalizes parts from Uncle Chuck's old tractor for a robot. When Uncle Chuck starts up the tractor, it goes out of control and heads for Robotnik. Ch. 2: Sonic interrupts a game of one-against-nine baseball to move the tractor which has pinned Robotnik and Uncle Chuck. He's able to move it with the power ring and he takes both Robotnik and Uncle Chuck to the hospital. Ch. 3: After being released from the hospital, Uncle Chuck and Robotnik return home. Robotnik's robot confesses to Uncle Chuck that he was put together with the stolen tractor parts, and Robotnik is grounded. Robotnik cobbles together another robot from Uncle Chuck's major appliances; it grabs Uncle Chuck but Sonic defeats it by wrapping it up in a garden hose. Robotnik leaves. Ch. 4: "Eight years passed." Sonic, 15, has a pet dog, Muttski, and works as a delivery hedgehog for his Uncle Chuck's chili dog stand. Sonic tests his new sneakers (designed by Uncle Chuck) while filling a large order, but in his absence Robotnik returns and arrests "Uncle Chuck" and his robots trash the stand. Ch. 5: Sonic delivers the chili dogs to an old factory, walking into a trap. He escapes and returns to what's left of the stand. He destroys a couple of robots who try to capture him and learns that Robotnik is responsible. He heads off for Robotnik's factory. Ch. 6: Stopping in the forest just outside the factory he encounters "a cute little chipmunk girl": Princess Sally Acorn. She shows Sonic a short-cut to the "Ro-Bo-Machine." Ch. 7: Reaching the fence around the factory, Sonic sees that Uncle Chuck has already been roboticized. Sally tries to stop him, but Sonic goes over the fence. Ch. 8: Sonic goes into Sonic Spin and takes out the SWATbots. With Sally's help, they get Uncle Chuck and Muttski and head for the Great Forest. Ch. 9: Sally leads them to "Knothole Village" which is "under the forest floor." (cf. Sonic #0). Sonic uses a power ring to restore Uncle Chuck and Muttski. None of the other Freedom Fighters are introduced. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ synopsis: one of the Knothole freedom fighters is captured by Robotnik and used as bait to lure Sonic into a trap. In this case, the victim is Bunnie, and the story supposedly explains how she came to be partially roboticized. This account is at odds with the explanation in the comics. In addition, both Uncle Chuck and Muttski in this book has been successfully deroboticized (see above), which conflicts with "Sonic Conversion" and, in fact, the rest of the second season. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ synopsis: COMING SOON OVERSEAS BOOKS: Martin Adams, _Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory_ (c)1993: London: Virgin. Attention WEB-Slingers: The following individuals have set up Sonic the Hedgehog home pages on the World Wide Web. You can access them at: David Pistone http://www.primenet.com/~rotor Stories and fanart Shawn Wolski http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~n5una/index.html Fanart and this FAQ file; also access to Ratman's Sonic Web Page. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 18:16:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA12127 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:57:31 -0400 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA12122 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:57:27 -0400 Received: from bme.synapse.net (bme.synapse.net [199.84.54.59]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA05970 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 17:57:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199505052157.RAA05970@sentinel.synapse.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Adrian Kwong" Organization: Bald Mountain To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 17:57:35 +0000 Subject: Re: sonic V1 #3 X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Adrian Kwong" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB2) Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >sonic Friday, 5 May 1995 Volume 01 : Number 003 Yayyy! Digest format! Now I get my Happy Fun Fox and Blue Blur in a nice little package. :) --- =========================================================================== Adrian Kwong akwong@bme.synapse.net 613-726-6762 Bald Mountain Ent. ak605@freenet.carleton.ca Ottawa, Ontario =========================================================================== From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 21:46:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12612 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 21:27:58 -0400 Received: from rachael.franken.de by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12607 for ; Fri, 5 May 1995 21:27:53 -0400 Received: from by rachael.franken.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #13) id m0s7YTj-000oZGC; Sat, 6 May 95 03:16 MET DST Received: from deco.franken.de by hub-n.franken.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0s7Wnk-000bw4C; Sat, 6 May 95 01:28 MET DST Received: by deco.franken.de (CrossPoint v3.02); 05 May 1995 18:57:02 +0100 Date: 05 May 1995 18:56:00 +0100 From: sanasi@deco.franken.de (Alessandro Sanasi) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Message-ID: <5lGi0LA9zxB@deco.franken.de> In-Reply-To: <199505030028.UAA16417@sard.mv.net> Subject: Re: college X-Mailer: XP v3.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On 02 May 95, Ratman wrote: > are most of you guys at college? To tell the truth, I'm _not_. But I have to admit that the american concept of college sounds pretty cool... free internet access and lots of time to send e-mail or play MUCK games over the net . As for myself, I'm working for the 'German Inland Revenue Office' (translation from my new-bought dictionary). It's not the funniest thing to do, but it's a living... only problem is that my job has absolutely nothing to do with computers . Best wishes Alessandro --- You get what anyone gets. You get a lifetime. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 17:52:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA03019 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 17:49:35 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA03013; Sat, 6 May 1995 17:49:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 17:49:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: sonic V1 #3 In-Reply-To: <199505052157.RAA05970@sentinel.synapse.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Fri, 5 May 1995, Adrian Kwong wrote: > >sonic Friday, 5 May 1995 Volume 01 : Number 003 > > Yayyy! Digest format! Now I get my Happy Fun Fox and Blue Blur in a nice > little package. :) Actually, it's still broken. I'll letcha know when it's fixed, and it's safe to subscribe to the digested list. You see, that should have gone to the digest, not the main list. :-( --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 7 03:54:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA08359 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 May 1995 03:37:15 -0400 Received: from su1.in.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA08353 for ; Sun, 7 May 1995 03:37:12 -0400 Received: from ip139.in.net by su1.in.net with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA03395; Sun, 7 May 95 02:36:21 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 May 95 03:36:52 PDT From: metalfox@su1.in.net (Ryan Fields) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Wolf Pack Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Could someone tell me what happened in this episode? I think it is the only episode of StH that I haven't seen. Does anyone know when it will air again? From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 08:25:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA13694 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:14:23 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA13681 for ; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:14:10 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02333; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:14:06 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA19856; Mon, 8 May 1995 08:14:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9505081214.AA19856@edmund> Subject: Re: Wolf Pack To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 08:14:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Ryan Fields" at May 6, 95 03:36:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Could someone tell me what happened in this episode? I think it is the only > episode of StH that I haven't seen. Does anyone know when it will air > again? > See the Sonic FAQ File for a brief synopsis. I'm not sure when it will run again. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 05:25:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA27282 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 05:03:38 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA27277 for ; Tue, 9 May 1995 05:03:35 -0400 Received: from srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38273; Tue, 9 May 1995 03:01:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 03:01:43 -0600 (MDT) From: "William T. Graham" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Cc: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Wolf Pack In-Reply-To: <9505081214.AA19856@edmund> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 8 May 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. Mobian taxonomy must be different. Robuttnik refers to Sonic as a "rodent" fairly often, but (on Earth at least) hedgehogs are insectovores, not rodents. Maybe he means that Sonic gnaws at him in a more metaphorical way. Maybe he really is referring to Sally, since squirrels _are_ rodents. Or maybe saying "insectovore" would just confuse half the audience, and disgust the rest. And in "Tails' Tallest Tale" (in Sonic In Your Face), one of the characters thinks that Knuckles is a "misunderstood marsupial". Again, echidnas are monotremes, not marsupials. But I have to admit, "marsupial" sounds way more cool than "monotreme". - William Graham - - A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius - From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 12:55:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA29975 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 12:55:09 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA29968; Tue, 9 May 1995 12:55:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Wolf Pack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Tue, 9 May 1995, William T. Graham wrote: > On Mon, 8 May 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > > > We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. > > Mobian taxonomy must be different. > > Robuttnik refers to Sonic as a "rodent" fairly often, but > (on Earth at least) hedgehogs are insectovores, not rodents. > Maybe he means that Sonic gnaws at him in a more metaphorical way. > Maybe he really is referring to Sally, since squirrels _are_ rodents. > Or maybe saying "insectovore" would just confuse half the audience, > and disgust the rest. Robuttnik is an enemy, so he's probably teasing him. Like calling a Korean person "Chinaman". But good observation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 14:55:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA00970 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 14:40:50 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA00965 for ; Tue, 9 May 1995 14:40:47 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16949; Tue, 9 May 95 14:45:57 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 34550W Tue, 9 May 1995 18:36:53 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Latest issue of STH. Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:40:56 GMT Message-Id: <95050914365333317@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Well, I'm not normally that impressed with Manak's art, but I liked this issue better than usual. Perhaps it ws the inker. (I STILL want to see Spaziante's version of Bunnie.) Rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 17:55:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA02737 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 17:29:47 -0400 Received: from su1.in.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA02729 for ; Tue, 9 May 1995 17:29:44 -0400 Received: from ip147.in.net by su1.in.net with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA21314; Tue, 9 May 95 16:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 May 95 17:31:20 PDT From: metalfox@su1.in.net (Ryan Fields) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: ? Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Hello all. I am just writing because I haven't seen anything on the list in a couple of weeks and I was wondering if this were just slow, or if I somehow got knocked off of the list. Has it been slow? From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 18:55:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA03321 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 18:34:47 -0400 Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA03308 for ; Tue, 9 May 1995 18:34:43 -0400 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA21374; Tue, 9 May 95 15:34:39 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 8 May 1995, Ryan Fields wrote: > Hello all. I am just writing because I haven't seen anything on the > list in a couple of weeks and I was wondering if this were just slow, or > if I somehow got knocked off of the list. Has it been slow? Yeah, 'fraid so... (:3 How go the fanfic factories? ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu Remember: once you pull the pin, Mr. Hand Grenade is no longer your friend. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 08:55:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA08074 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:28:48 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA08069 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:28:39 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01315; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:28:34 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA06983; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:28:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9505101228.AA06983@edmund> Subject: Fanfic note To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:28:30 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Fred Sloniker" at May 9, 95 03:34:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > Yeah, 'fraid so... (:3 How go the fanfic factories? > > ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad > As stated in an earlier post, I've got a couple stories "in development" but haven't had the chance to work on them except in my head. I've also taken a recent thread to heart and deleted the line "We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent" from my sig. Kinda liked the alliteration, though. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 09:03:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA08161 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:38:19 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA08154 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:38:14 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01541; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:38:12 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA08216; Wed, 10 May 1995 08:38:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9505101238.AA08216@edmund> Subject: From Fanfic to Archie? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:38:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Greetings. This past weekend I found myself answering a question I had asked in the course of reviewing Sonic #24: Would Bunnie in the world of the Antisonic be partially roboticized? The answer I arrived at led me to begin imagining how that could be part of a larger story plot. After enough thinking along these lines another question came to me: "How are the comics written in the first place?" I know I can always drop some snail mail to Mark Fulop asking for any "Guidelines for Writers" that might exist -- if they work with freelancers at all! How about it? Anyone out there know if they look into freelance submissions, or do they only rely on a stable of regulars? ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 15:55:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA12293 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 15:51:34 -0400 Received: from saul1.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA12281 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 15:51:31 -0400 Received: by saul1.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA03571; Wed, 10 May 95 12:51:24 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul1.u.washington.edu Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Fanfic note In-Reply-To: <9505101228.AA06983@edmund> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Wed, 10 May 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > As stated in an earlier post, I've got a couple stories "in development" > but haven't had the chance to work on them except in my head. (nods) I know the feeling... I've got two stories buzzing around in my head: a dark future story starring Sonic and Metalsonic, and a solo Tails story. Still haven't got anything on paper yet (I've tried, but haven't been able to get quite the right 'feel'...) > I've also taken a recent thread to heart and deleted the line "We now > return you to your regularly scheduled rodent" from my sig. Kinda liked > the alliteration, though. What's wrong with 'regularly scheduled hedgehog'? (:3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu Until I get my act together, you'll just have to deal with the real me. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 18:00:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA13592 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 17:54:50 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA13587 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 17:54:48 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA00761; Wed, 10 May 1995 17:48:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:48:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: sonic-digest now open Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net The digest version of the Sonic mailing list is now open. For details on how to convert your subscription, see the new welcome text posted seperately. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! 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WWW Sega has a home page (http://www.segaoa.com/), but you won't find much information there (but do have your credit card ready (g)). Another home page where you can find Sonic images is http://www.ysu.edu/~ptighe/sonic.html. Juice time, outta here! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sonic the Hedgehog" and "Sega" are registered trademarks of SEGA of America. "sonic" and "sonic-digest" are independent mailing lists neither owned nor operated by or for Sega of America. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 20:55:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15162 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 20:50:17 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15152 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 20:50:12 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03196; Wed, 10 May 95 20:55:29 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 41764W Thu, 11 May 1995 00:46:21 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: other sonics 1.2 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 00:01:58 GMT Message-Id: <95051020462133686@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net sroyals for each of the dark Wizard's toys wrecked. You've made a pretty penny today, Son-ak, and I merely thought you'd like to collect it." "Your mistress. And who is that? For that, who are you?" "I," replied the rabbit, "Am Captain Bunnie, in service to her Highness, the Princess Salar-Alicia of House Acorn, and leader of her Royal Guards. And I already... ah... 'heard' of you, hedgehog. You want your fifteen royals or not?" Son-ak grinned. After weeks of boredom, things were looking up. A good fight, gold to refill his almost empty purse, and he'd met a female of both obvious bravery and courage-- and, not that he allowed himself to notice, beauty as well. Yes, perhaps his fortunes were changing for the better... To the east, a massive form shuddered. A hand clutched a glittering stone, and a quiet snarl escaped thick lips. "Sniv. To me. Now." The shadows produced a short, black swathed figure. "My lord?" "Something in the west has destroyed three of my iron golems in as many moments. And when I am about to begin my true plans, that is an ill matter. Ill indeed...You are my master spy, Sniv the Quiet. Go forth, go and learn what causes me such concern at this time." "As you command, Master." The figure melted back into the shadows. And Roboth-amon, the Dark Wizard of the East, mused on the possibility-- for the first time-- that his designs might be in peril. to be continued... Sorry for the fractured chapter... I just learned that my board allows only 150 lines per message. (Oh, brother.) Robert haynie From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 21:03:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15157 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 20:50:15 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15150 for ; Wed, 10 May 1995 20:50:11 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03186; Wed, 10 May 95 20:55:27 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 41763W Thu, 11 May 1995 00:46:20 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Other Sonics part 1.1 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 23:58:36 GMT Message-Id: <95051020462033685@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Other Sonics #1-- The Barbarian : Part One By Robert Haynie Obligatory stuff-- Sonic the Hedgehog, Bunnie Rabbot, etc. TM and copyright 1995 by Sega of America and Archie Comics. They probably reserve all rights. This story is copyright 1995 Robert S. Haynie Jr. This is an excercise in fan fiction, and is not meant to infringe on their rights, but is a purely recreational exercise. It may be duplicated freely, with the restrictions that A) no text is changed, and B) no money is charged. Foreword: In more than one issue of the STH comic the so-called "Cosmic Interstate" has been mentioned. Most noted was issue #19 (I believe), "Night of a Thousand Sonics", which noted that there were (in theory) many, many versions of the hedgehog. But what are these other realms like? What are the others like in them? Is Bunnie always such a babe in them (Sorry, that just slipped out)? Let us look at one... Offramp #14-a-347-bx-2, Mobs in the age of high fantasy... Prologue "Know, oh Prince. that in the age of the House of Acorn, when a darkness rose from the bitter East to cleave the Kingdom and to bring strife and misery to the children of Karuis, there came Son- Ak, a thief, a reaver, a runner, who had sought only adventure but found himself n the path of heroes, who won a crown and a bride by the strength of his good right arm and the swiftness of his feet. Or something like that. I really don't remember, I haven't had enough sleep." The chronicles of Mandar the Insomniac It was mostly rain that day, rain and mud, and the lost warrior trudged through the thick gruel that water and dust had made of the road with an expression of bitter annoyance and a heart filled with growing mayhem. In time, he came to a roadside tavern, and entered with considerable depression. A barmaid took a single look at him and quailed. Understandably, for the warrior was an intimidating sort. Tall for a hedgehog-- over three feet, in fact-- clad in a hide tunic and boots, and carrying a large battleaxe on his back, he had the still visible marks of battle scars under his frontal fur. His quills were longer and sharper than the usual for his kind, and were styled in an intimidating blade-like fashion, and were of the blue color peculiar to the barbarian tribes of the northlands. The warrior took a seat at an unoccupied table, and the barmaid, urged on by the tavern keeper, approached uncertainly. Her life wasn't the easiest, and she feared that the fearsome stranger would grab at her, or yell, or something frightening. But he merely growled for ale and food, tossing a few copper coins down-- enough to pay for his desires. And sulked. "Man, I HATE rain." After a few moment, the barmaid bought a plate of sausages and cheese, some bread, and a pitcher of ale to the table. She began to leave, when the hedgehog began to do something odd. First he cut two slender pieces of bread from the loaf, then placed a sausage on one, scraped off bits of cheese onto it, sighed, and covered the whole with the other slice of bread. "Wish I had some stew for this," he mumbled quietly. "Always goes better with some stew." The stranger ate in silence then, silence unbroken except for the sipping of ale and the occasional unquiet burp. "He's... not very polite," whispered the barmaid to the innkeeper. "Look at his dress, lass. He's a barbarian, a northern warrior. You think he's used to doilies and fingerbowls?" "As though you had any," sniffed the barmaid, and returned to the other customers. The hedgehog finished his meal in (relative) silence, and paid for a room in back. He entered, still silent, still sulking. And fell into a fitful sleep... speed... the speed of the Chosen... blue wind and golden fire... The noise of the barmaid's screams broke the hedgehog's unpleasant dream. With long-practiced reflexes he leapt to his feet, grabbed his axe, and cast open his door. He didn't really expect anything-- perhaps some patron who had drank too much and could not handle it too well had got too "friendly", at worst some bandits of some sort-- whatever, it would hardly be any-- For a second, the warrior thought they were soldiers of some sort, in strange armor. But the movements were wrong, there were no joints. The barbarian realized that they were statues of some dark metal, bought to life by some hellish spell. For the first time in weeks, Son-ak the Blue grinned. Almost casually he began to whirl his battleaxe in a circle, but rather than the usual two or three swings most would have used, (to intimidate) Son-ak continued to spin the blade, faster and faster, until it was a silvery circle above his head. And then, with a blood-chilling war cry, he charged the demon-statues. Where a common blade-stroke would have hardly bent the metal of the enchanted figures, the whirling axe struck with such force that the metal parted. Green fire erupted from the cracked shell of the statue, and the figure collapsed into shards of broken metal. The two remaining figures turned towards this unexpected interruption. Son-ak suddenly threw his axe at one, and leapt at the second, tucking into a rolling ball in mid-leap. The axe cracked one statue, and-- amazingly-- Son-ak opened the other with flailing quills. Both spat the same green flame, both crumbled into scraps of metal. The innkeeper stared at the remains of the three figures, and at the now wildly grinning hedgehog, who threw back his head and howled a barbaric cry of defiance and victory. Then he turned his attentions to the barmaid, who had collapsed after she had screamed. "Hah! I'd thought that there wasn't anything to do here! You ought to have told me of such entertainment, innkeeper!" "Entertainment," spat the innkeeper. "You may call it entertainment, Barbarian, but no one here would. We've had enough grief from the Dark Wizard before. Still, my thanks for stopping those golems. I've never seen such bladework before with an axe." "Aye," grinned the hedgehog,"And ye won't soon see it again! I am Son-ak of the Cad-hai, the Swift one, the runner past the wind, the Striker! I run swifter than a thunderclap, strike harder thana the lightning--" "And boast louder than a donkey," came a dry voice from behind. "And boast louder than a donkey! I-- Hey, wait a minute," sputtered Son-ak. He turned about, to face the new speaker. "That's hardly polite, bent-ear." "Spare me a barbarian's etiquette," replied the newcomer. Son-ak frowned, even as he sized up the speaker. Most of the females he'd seen in his travels in the south had been dressed either in simple tunics and dresses (if poor) or in silks and gold (if wealthy, and rather skimpy if they had the looks for it). This one was garbed, instead, in a black leather halter and trunks, with tall boots of the same material and plated gauntlets. The rabbit's ear was bent, at elast one was, but her eyes were those of a warrior, and the large two-handed sword she had cast on her back was not any city maiden's toy. That she could-- and did-- carry such a weapon meant she considered herself a fighter. The thin scar across her left eye (fortunate to have missed the eye itself) meant she was. And that no other scars were visible meant she was a warrior of skill. "Captain Rabbot," blurted the innkeeper. "You should have seen him, he--" "I saw, innkeeper," she interrupted. "You-- I think you'd better come with me." Son-ak tightened his grip on his axe. "If there's some idiot law against aiding innkeepers here against demon-tricks--" The rabbit laughed. "By Mosthe', no, swift one. But anyone who can fight like that-- and with such an unusual technique-- will interest my mistress immensely. Besides, there's a bounty of five royals for each of the dark Wizard's toys wrecked. You've made a pretty penny today, Son-ak, and I merely thought you'd like to From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 03:34:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA26805 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:33:12 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA26799 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Fri, 12 May 1995 03:33:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 03:33:11 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505120733.DAA26799@sard.mv.net> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: wow... Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net a whole day without a message. just found a bug if there are no messages to process to the digest. so I guess a lot of you were at school. :-( ok, I can't hide it. This is a test message. I just needed an excuse to write a message to do some digest testing. There. :-P From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 14:56:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA02969 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:34:09 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA02963 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:34:02 -0400 Received: from hp-98.cae.wisc.edu (firmiss@hp-98.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.68.41]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA01915 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:33:56 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by hp-98.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id NAA03750 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Fri, 12 May 1995 13:33:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199505121833.NAA03750@hp-98.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Sonic & Knuckles 48-Page Special Summary To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:33:54 CDT In-Reply-To: <199505120733.DAA26799@sard.mv.net>; from "Ratman" at May 12, 95 3:33 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Got S&K #1 yesterday... I figure I'd type this up.. How come these summaries seem to be getting longer and longer? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Archie Comic's "Sonic and Knuckles 48-page Special #1" Summary: --Credits-- "Panic in the Sky" Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Pencils: Art Mawhinney (Ch1) & Dave Manak (Ch2) Inking: Rich Koslowski Lettering: Mindy Eisman Coloring: Barry Grossman "Fire Drill" "Lord of the Floating Island" Script: Ken Penders . . . . Ken Penders Pencils: Ken Penders . . . . Harvey Mercandoocasio Inking: Jon D'Agostino . . . Harvey Mercandoocasio Lettering: Bill Yoshida . . . . Bill Yoshida Coloring: Freddy Mendez . . . Freddy Mendez Cover Art: Patrick Spaziante Editor: Scott Fulop Harvey Mercandoocasio Managing Editor: Victor Gorelick Covor Color: Heroic Age Colors Editer in Cheif: Richard Goldwater [Special thanks to Jennifer Hunn at Sega] On with the Summary: A while back I said I wasn't much of an art critic since I thought all the artists did a fine job.. however I have to say I like the way Knuckles was drawn much better in "Panic in the Sky" over the other two stories. I think its in the way his eyes were drawn. My comments are in {{ }} ----- warnign spoilers warning spoilers warning spoilers warning spoilers -- Panic in the Sky! -- [ Part 1 ] The approach of a floating island disrupts the people on the western coast of the "Great Continent"*. Back at Knothole, Sally and the crew hear of these reports and see the island is heading straight for Knothole**. Sonic walks in with Tails and tell the others its the Floating Island they were on a few months back*** where they met Knuckles the Echinda. They head out in their TurboProp**** flown by Antoine to investigate the island and why its come to Knothole. On the way there they're nearly shot down by guns mounted on the bottom. The guns are avoided by flying above the island's horison and Sonic parachutes (while Tails just flies) down to land. They see Brobdignagian*5* fungi [Giant Mushrooms] and have to avoid a few hazards (pendulums and ax-weilding bots) but Sonic falls into a trap where he once again sees Knuckles. [Part 2] Sonic is hanging onto the side of a cliff while Knuckles is about to step on his fingers since this is Sonic's second trespassing offense. Tails saves the day (sorta) by trying to drop a rock on Knuckles from above.. this sends both down the edge of the clif and nearly into dangerous waters. Tails eventually airlifts both of them*6* to safety. Knuckles grudgingly thanks Tails and Sonic explains that the island's been 'hijacked'. Knuckles takes Sonic and Tails down to the Chaos Chamber (where the Chaos Emerald which holds up the island resides). They see its energy is being syphoned by none other than Robotnik himself! Robotnik reveals his plan (since its too late to stop him*7*). He burrowed in from the underside of the island and added thrusters and weapons. He'd use it as a flying fortress and use energy from the Chaos Emerald to power weapons ment to wipe out the freedom fighters. Knuckles, as guardian of the island can't allow his island to be used this way and decides to smash the Chaos Emerald. With the island falling Robotnik makes a hasty retreat... he thinks he still won since the island is about to crush Knothole*8*. Knuckles breaks out a spare*9* emerald and replaces it in time. Sonic asks Knuckles if he'd like to land the island and join the Freedom Fighters. Knuckles declines saying he has his own problems and responsi- bilities and takes the island away so he can remove Robotnik's weapons. {{ Lots of Footnotes: * They give the impression Arlo, Penelope, Hamlin and Dylan (i.e. Freedom Fighters from Princess Sally Miniseries) live here. ** This is weird. The freedom fighter's headquarters is looking alot like Robotnik's place.. suprisingly high-tech for a rebel underground. *** Sonic and Tails say they were on the island months ago... You mean after all this time they didn't tell anyone? **** I've never been much on military markings but doesn't that plane have U.S. WWII markings.. maybe its their way of celebrating V.E day 50th aniv. *5* What's "Brobdignagian" mean you ask? Brobdignag?.. Jonathan Swift?.. Gulliver's travels!?... READ A BOOK DAMMIT! -- READ A BOOK! *6* He's lifting two guys bigger than he is? Tails is going to need some BenGay for his rump after that one. *7* That's what all evil villans say :) *8* It looks like Robotnik knows where Knothole is... Also, there are alot of visible huts in what used to be an 'underground village'. *9* Knuckles later says it wasn't a spare.. he swapped emeralds, broke a 'fake' one and replaced the real one. There's really was no reason for him to tell Sonic he had a 'spare' emerald since Robotnik had already left... He could've just told him he swapped emeralds right then and there. (Or he could've just stuck to his lie). }} -- Fire Drill -- Knuckles hears a loud 'KA-THOOOM!' from near the beach and he flies over to investigate. He spots the intruder in some bushes but its gone when he jumps it. He suspects its Sonic since whoever it is MUST be very fast. Knuckles follows the trail around to places on the island even HE doesn't know about (apparently his father never revealed ALL of the island's secrets). The trail eventually leads off the edge of the island. Knuckles still thinks it was Sonic up to no good... "Good riddence (just wait'll next time)" [ In the last panel we see that the invader is still on the island. Only the shadow of a hand is shown as he says to himself... "This was only your first lesson and I can see already you have a lot to learn! Class is now in session..." ] {{ I have no idea who this mysterious person is.. the arm looks too skinny to be Robotnik's though. maybe a Chaotix character.. maybe Nack the Weasel. I can't say. I liked this story... it had a mysterious feel to it. }} -- Lord of the Floating Island -- We see Knuckles patroling the floating island on an unusually windy day when he spots a confused baby kangaroo. He lands to keep the joey company while they search for mom. Bengy (we find out his name later) knows Knuckles watches over the island and asks him to bring back the sky. [Its unusually dark during the day.. yet there are few clouds]. Knukles explains that what's happening is an 'eclipse' and that's probably whats causing the unusual winds. After avoiding a herd of (biped) dingoes Knuckles explains a bit more about the island to Bengy... how its a paradise yet there's been visitors who'd like to change that [namely Sonic and Robotnik]. As the eclipse ends and the winds die down they meet up with Bengy's mom. Knuckles flies off.. "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" {{ There really wan't a whole lot too this story. All it really shows is that Knuckles isn't really such a bad guy after all. }} -------------------- No SonicGrams but there's a few announcements: Sonic Issue #25 (Aug. '95) will feature: Sonic vs. Mecha Sonic (From Sonic CD) and Silver Ink Cover {{ woowoo }} Sonic the Hedgehog in Triple Trouble 48-page Special [on sale Aug. '95] Introducing "Nack the Weasel". Featuring all-out brawl between Sonic-n-Knuckles, a Knuckles Solo Story, and a Tails Solo Story. 32X - Knuckles Chaotix 48-page Special [on sale Nov. '95] Knuckles Solo Stories in Sonic Issues #31-33 (Feb. '96 - Apr. '96) Knuckles 3-part Miniseries beginning Jan. '96. {{ My note: Archie Comic's 'On Sale' dates tend to be faithful (or try to be) but the dates put on the issues tend to be 'two months early' [i.e. Sonic #24 is the July issue but came out in May] I guess this gives them some 'breathing room' in case something crops up.. e.g the last minutes "Princess Sally Miniseries" changes }} -- "READ A BOOK DAMMIT! -- READ A BOOK!" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 15:56:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA03564 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:33:50 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA03559 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:33:48 -0400 Received: from sun-10.cae.wisc.edu (sun-10.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.20.149]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA05482 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:33:46 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-10.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id OAA28914 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Fri, 12 May 1995 14:33:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199505121933.OAA28914@sun-10.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic & Knuckles 48-Page Special Summary To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 12 May 95 14:33:43 CDT In-Reply-To: <199505121833.NAA03750@hp-98.cae.wisc.edu>; from "James Firmiss" at May 12, 95 1:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > They see Brobdignagian*5* fungi ... ^ Wups! Its spelled "Brobdingnagian".. Typo on my part (cut-n-pasted later too) --- "LEARN TO TYPE DAMMIT! LEARN TO TYPE!" From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 16:05:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA03528 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:30:04 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA03521 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:30:02 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA06795; Fri, 12 May 1995 15:23:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: wow... In-Reply-To: <199505120733.DAA26799@sard.mv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Fri, 12 May 1995, Ratman wrote: > so I guess a lot of you were at school. :-( There are a lot of graduations going on today and tomorrow. Any new grads (or about-to-be) on the list? Did you all remember to invite Sonic to your graduation and end of school year parties? :-) If you're taking summer classes or if you get use of your account during the summer anyway, don't forget to drop by your computer lab for the latest from Mobius! |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 21:26:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA06171 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 21:24:46 -0400 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA06166 for ; Fri, 12 May 1995 21:24:42 -0400 Received: from scorch.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id LAA29095 for sard.mv.net!sonic; Sat, 13 May 1995 11:24:38 +1000 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au by scorch.hna.com.au with smtp tap_id root (Smail 3.1.28.1 #10) id m0sA3Vl-000WFrC; Sat, 13 May 95 08:48 EST Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA09796; Sat, 13 May 1995 08:34:17 +1000 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:34:17 +1000 From: Chris Baird Message-Id: <199505122234.IAA09796@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@sard.mv.net In-reply-to: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu's message of 11 May 1995 12:50:07 +1000 Subject: Other Sonics part 1.1 X-Rem: Bad literary devices R Us. Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Robert Haynie : > Foreword: > In more than one issue of the STH comic the so-called "Cosmic > Interstate" has been mentioned. Most noted was issue #19 (I > believe), "Night of a Thousand Sonics", which noted that there > were (in theory) many, many versions of the hedgehog. But what > are these other realms like? What are the others like in them? I definitely can't have been the first to imagine there could be a realm where HFF is the hero, and Sonic is all but the lowly sidekick. :) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat May 13 01:56:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07360 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 May 1995 01:27:44 -0400 Received: from huey.csun.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07355 for ; Sat, 13 May 1995 01:27:41 -0400 Received: (vboao0f2@localhost) by huey.csun.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id WAA05237; Fri, 12 May 1995 22:25:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 22:23:12 +0800 (PST) From: Sonic the Hedgehog Subject: Announcement.. To: SonicMail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From Sonic The Hedgehog, I would like to announce that I am going to post another image of your favorite happy fox! Which is of course, our beloved "Miles 'Tails' Prower" in the next few days. I am also in the process of trying to draw more Miles "Tails" Prower pictures! :^) Sonic-Fully Yours, Sonic The Hedgehog World's Largest Sonic Art Archives Bryant Melesko From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat May 13 02:02:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07513 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 May 1995 01:39:52 -0400 Received: from saul5.u.washington.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA07508 for ; Sat, 13 May 1995 01:39:48 -0400 Received: by saul5.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.32 ) id AA28118; Fri, 12 May 95 22:39:45 -0700 X-Sender: lazuli@saul5.u.washington.edu Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 22:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Sloniker To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Other Sonics part 1.1 In-Reply-To: <199505122234.IAA09796@brushtail.hna.com.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sat, 13 May 1995, Chris Baird wrote: > I definitely can't have been the first to imagine there could be a > realm where HFF is the hero, and Sonic is all but the lowly > sidekick. :) Or, at least, where Tails gets equal billing. (:3 We've already seen a good Sonic and an evil Sonic. The Sonic I want to see is halfway in-between; imagine a world where Robotnik's every bit as rotten as he is in the 'mainstream' universe, but where our favorite hedgehog fights him for pay, not ideals. The rest of his crew would be similarly hard-bitten: Bunnie, Sonic's right-hand strong-arm with a yen for revenge; Tails, an accomplished sneak-thief and expert at disabling security; Rotor, the inventor of new and lethal weapons to aid their fight. Sally and Antoine would probably be about the same, though there'd be little romance between Sally and Sonic; hiring a team of experienced terrorists is bound to drain the royal coffers... ---Fred M. Sloniker, stressed undergrad L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@u.washington.edu It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the end. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat May 13 04:56:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA08331 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 May 1995 04:49:01 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA08326 for ; Sat, 13 May 1995 04:48:58 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id EAA01834; Sat, 13 May 1995 04:42:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 04:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: new sound file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net (This file is pending approval.) If your mail program supports playing a sound when new mail comes in, this is the sound for you! This is a .WAV of Uncle Chuck's "warble" that he does when he's written a message for Sally and is about to have it flown to her. The filename is chukcall.zip. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sat May 13 09:27:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA08749 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 May 1995 09:02:06 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA08743; Sat, 13 May 1995 09:02:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 09:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: new sound file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sat, 13 May 1995, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2 wrote: > (This file is pending approval.) File approved. > If your mail program supports playing a sound when new mail comes in, > this is the sound for you! > > This is a .WAV of Uncle Chuck's "warble" that he does when he's written a > message for Sally and is about to have it flown to her. > > The filename is chukcall.zip. In case anyone needs reminding, this file, among other sonic files, are available at: ftp.mv.com /pub/users/rat/sonic/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 15 09:02:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA24514 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 May 1995 08:50:27 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA24508 for ; Mon, 15 May 1995 08:49:54 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20748; Mon, 15 May 1995 08:49:43 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA01205; Mon, 15 May 1995 08:49:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9505151249.AA01205@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ File To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 08:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ - //|\__/ \\ ___- \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ ascii Sonic by Han J. Lee |====================== THE SONIC FAQ FILE =====================| Apr 28, 1995 edition Compiled by: Daniel J. Drazen Contributors: Ron Bauerle, Brad Clark, James Firmiss, Maureen Furniss, Craig Moore, Michiyo Nakajima, Paula O'Keefe, Eric E. Pearson, Jeff Pegnato, David Pistone, Alessandro Sanasi, Erich Schulman, Fred Sloniker, Andy White, Shawn Wolski Address all comments, corrections, contributions and flames to: drazen@andrews.edu ***************************************************************** WHAT'S NEW?: [Note: There WILL be spoilers. You have been warned. DJD] Sonic & Knuckles special issue [Summaries by James Firmiss] --Panic in the Sky-- [Part 1] The approach of a floating island disrupts the people on the western coast of the "Great Continent"*. Back at Knothole, Sally and the crew hear of these reports and see the island is heading straight for Knothole**. Sonic walks in with Tails and tell the others its the Floating Island they were on a few months back*** where they met Knuckles the Echinda. They head out in their TurboProp**** flown by Antoine to investigate the island and why its come to Knothole. On the way there they're nearly shot down by guns mounted on the bottom. The guns are avoided by flying above the island's horison and Sonic parachutes (while Tails just flies) down to land. They see Brobdignagian*5* fungi [Giant Mushrooms] and have to avoid a few hazards (pendulums and ax-weilding bots) but Sonic falls into a trap where he once again sees Knuckles. [Part 2] Sonic is hanging onto the side of a cliff while Knuckles is about to step on his fingers since this is Sonic's second trespassing offense. Tails saves the day (sorta) by trying to drop a rock on Knuckles from above.. this sends both down the edge of the clif and nearly into dangerous waters. Tails eventually airlifts both of them*6* to safety. Knuckles grudgingly thanks Tails and Sonic explains that the island's been 'hijacked'. Knuckles takes Sonic and Tails down to the Chaos Chamber (where the Chaos Emerald which holds up the island resides). They see its energy is being syphoned by none other than Robotnik himself! Robotnik reveals his plan (since its too late to stop him*7*). He burrowed in from the underside of the island and added thrusters and weapons. He'd use it as a flying fortress and use energy from the Chaos Emerald to power weapons ment to wipe out the freedom fighters. Knuckles, as guardian of the island can't allow his island to be used this way and decides to smash the Chaos Emerald. With the island falling Robotnik makes a hasty retreat... he thinks he still won since the island is about to crush Knothole*8*. Knuckles breaks out a spare*9* emerald and replaces it in time. Sonic asks Knuckles if he'd like to land the island and join the Freedom Fighters. Knuckles declines saying he has his own problems and responsi- bilities and takes the island away so he can remove Robotnik's weapons. Lots of Footnotes: * They give the impression Arlo, Penelope, Hamlin and Dylan (i.e. Freedom Fighters from Princess Sally Miniseries) live here. ** This is weird. The freedom fighter's headquarters is looking alot like Robotnik's place.. suprisingly high-tech for a rebel underground. *** Sonic and Tails say they were on the island months ago... You mean after all this time they didn't tell anyone? **** I've never been much on military markings but doesn't that plane have U.S. WWII markings.. maybe its their way of celebrating V.E day 50th aniv. *5* What's "Brobdignagian" mean you ask? Brobdignag?.. Jonathan Swift?.. Gulliver's travels!?... READ A BOOK DAMMIT! -- READ A BOOK! *6* He's lifting two guys bigger than he is? Tails is going to need some BenGay for his rump after that one. *7* That's what all evil villans say :) *8* It looks like Robotnik knows where Knothole is... Also, there are alot of visible huts in what used to be an 'underground village'. *9* Knuckles later says it wasn't a spare.. he swapped emeralds, broke a 'fake' one and replaced the real one. There's really was no reason for him to tell Sonic he had a 'spare' emerald since Robotnik had already left... He could've just told him he swapped emeralds right then and there. (Or he could've just stuck to his lie). -- Fire Drill -- Knuckles hears a loud 'KA-THOOOM!' from near the beach and he flies over to investigate. He spots the intruder in some bushes but its gone when he jumps it. He suspects its Sonic since whoever it is MUST be very fast. Knuckles follows the trail around to places on the island even HE doesn't know about (apparently his father never revealed ALL of the island's secrets). The trail eventually leads off the edge of the island. Knuckles still thinks it was Sonic up to no good... "Good riddence (just wait'll next time)" [ In the last panel we see that the invader is still on the island. Only the shadow of a hand is shown as he says to himself... "This was only your first lesson and I can see already you have a lot to learn! Class is now in session..." ] {{ I have no idea who this mysterious person is.. the arm looks too skinny to be Robotnik's though. maybe a Chaotix character.. maybe Nack the Weasel. I can't say. I liked this story... it had a mysterious feel to it. }} -- Lord of the Floating Island -- We see Knuckles patroling the floating island on an unusually windy day when he spots a confused baby kangaroo. He lands to keep the joey company while they search for mom. Bengy (we find out his name later) knows Knuckles watches over the island and asks him to bring back the sky. [Its unusually dark during the day.. yet there are few clouds]. Knukles explains that what's happening is an 'eclipse' and that's probably whats causing the unusual winds. After avoiding a herd of (biped) dingoes Knuckles explains a bit more about the island to Bengy... how its a paradise yet there's been visitors who'd like to change that [namely Sonic and Robotnik]. As the eclipse ends and the winds die down they meet up with Bengy's mom. Knuckles flies off.. "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" {{ There really wan't a whole lot to this story. All it really shows is that Knuckles isn't really such a bad guy after all. }} -------------------- No SonicGrams but there's a few announcements: Sonic Issue #25 (Aug. '95) will feature: Sonic vs. Mecha Sonic (From Sonic CD) and Silver Ink Cover {{ woowoo }} Sonic the Hedgehog in Triple Trouble 48-page Special [on sale Aug. '95] Introducing "Nack the Weasel". Featuring all-out brawl between Sonic-n-Knuckles, a Knuckles Solo Story, and a Tails Solo Story. 32X - Knuckles Chaotix 48-page Special [on sale Nov. '95] Knuckles Solo Stories in Sonic Issues #31-33 (Feb. '96 - Apr. '96) Knuckles 3-part Miniseries beginning Jan. '96. *************************************************************** I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS C. OTHER SOURCES I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ============================= Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. Q5: "Sally Acorn?" Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? ================================================================ Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? A: The writers of Sonic comics solicited reader responses to this in issue #___; the replies were printed in issue #___. They range from transplantation to mutation. The latest entry is in the Sonicgram of #22. They state that Tails just happened to be born that way--with no other comment (thus illustrating the difference between an Explanation and an Answer). At this point, there is no "official" explanation as to how Tails got that way, so you're pretty much free to believe what you like. Personally, I prefer the theory that it is a mutation, induced by Robotnik's pollution of Mobius. This would accord with the fact that Tails had not been born when Robotnik took over (cf. Q6). Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? A: No, his real name is "Miles Prower" (you have to say it sorta fast to get the joke). That was his name when he was introduced on the front screen of the Sonic 2 video game. Tails was given as his nickname, and it stuck. Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. A:This argument has been put forward by the "Sally is a fox" camp (see below). However, if that were true, then he'd also be related to Bunnie, as he's been known to address her as "Aunt Bunnie." For that matter, it seems that everyone in the Knothole gang refers to Sir Charles Hedgehog as "Uncle Chuck," though he's technically only uncle to Sonic. While it was not explicitly stated in either the comics or in the cartoons, it has to be kept in mind that all of the freedom fighters' families were disrupted by Robotnik's takeover of Mobius. It's safe to assume that they all have had relatives who have ended up being roboticized. As a result, they have become not so much a paramilitary resistance group as a loose-knit family. Sonic, for instance, clearly relates to Tails as if the latter was his little brother, the difference in species notwithstanding. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. A: Admittedly, it's trickier to spot some species in the series than others. Herewith is the list: Sonic and Sir Charles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .hedgehogs Bunnie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rabbit Tails. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Rotor. . . . . . . . . . . . . .walrus (sea lion, cf. Teitelbaum) Antoine D'Coolette . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Sally Acorn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ground squirrel/chipmunk Sally's father . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox The identification of Sally as a ground squirrel is based on extended discussion of the topic on Internet {alt.fan.furry and rec.arts.animation). She was also declared to be a ground squirrel in the comics, most recently in the Sonicgram of Sonic #19. As for the designation "ground squirrel/chipmunk", which has been questioned by at least one correspondent, I entered it this way on the assumption that the two terms were synonymous. I have consulted a dictionary, which states that the term "ground squirrel" applies to several kinds of rodents, including the chipmunk genus _Tamias_. Given the present ambiguity, the designation will remain as is. Despite this, controversy continues. Identifying Sally's species has been particularly vexing to some fans, especially those who reason that since Sally's father is clearly a fox, then she must be one herself. It is possible that Sally takes after her mother in this regard more than her father. Cross-species mating is a definite possibility, and an example is implied in the "flashforward" at the end of "Sally's Crusade" [Sonic: In Your Face #1]. At this point, the identification of Sally's nanny, Rosie, remains ambiguous. Given her buck teeth, she could be either a beaver or a woodchuck. Since she is always shown wearing a long cloak, I've been unable to spot the character beaver tail. Final identification is still pending. Q5: "Sally Acorn"? A: This is how she was identified as far back as the beginning of the comics [Sonic Miniseries, #0, Mar 1993]. Technically, royalty do not have surnames or family names in the accepted sense; rather, the title of the personage tends to serve the purpose. Her middle name, Alicia, is apparently seldom used (cf. "Blast to the Past," part 1). If you wanted to be grandiose about it, Sally's formal title would be: Sally Alicia, Princess of the House of Acorn. But in any event it's unlikely that Sally's formal title will come back into use so long as Robotnik is in charge. Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? A: According to the TV series ["Blast to the Past: part 1"] Sonic and Sally were both 5 years old when Sally's father was overthrown and Robotnik took over. Two other age clues were given in the "Drood Henge" episode: that Tails was 10 years old, and that Sally wouldn't "come of age" for another two years. At one point, Sally's age is explicitly given as being 16, though the comics reportedly put both at age 15. Subtracting 5 from 16 leaves the number of years Robotnik has been in charge: 11. Thus, it would appear that Tails was born after the fall of the House of Acorn. Still, the simplest way out of this dilemma would be to put the age of majority on Mobius at 17 instead of 18; that would eliminate the extra year differential without altering the stated ages of Sonic and Sally (in the comics) or of Tails (in "Drood Henge"). Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? A: Archie Comics was supposed to roll out a three-part miniseries starring Sally as the main character. The story actually began with "Deadliest of the Species" in Sonic #20. The cover art for the miniseries, however, differed in subsequent advertisements: one cover for the first issue prominently featured Geoffrey St. John, while another did not. The third issue cover either does or doesn't feature Sally doing battle with a clone of herself, depending upon where you see it. Two different versions of the cover for #2 appeared in Sonic #22. The fact that the Sally creative team PLUS Archie Comics PLUS Sega reportedly came together to discuss "improving" the series (as reported in the Sonicgram for Sonic #21) would seem to indicate that someone had come down with a case of "creative differences." In any event, the "improved" Sally miniseries began shipping the week of Feb 13. Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? A: How, in other words, is Sonic able to run so fast? Apparently the same way you get to Carnegie Hall in the old joke: practice. I'm serious; here is the only print explanation I've come across so far: "Years ago, when things were right on Mobius, there lived a hedgehog named Sonic.... Sonic was only interested in running as fast as he could. Every day he practiced." [Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_. Mahwah, NJ: Troll, 1993, pp.7- 8]. And that's the extent of Teitelbaum's explanation. Thanks a heap, Mike! Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: The following represents the positions of neither ABC, Sega nor DiC, but rather is a recap of scuttlebutt on the Sonic e-mail group: DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. ================================================================= NOTICE: The fact that episode and story summaries appear here means there is a good chance that you will encounter spoilers. This is your only notice! II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE 1. First Season: 1993-94 Super Sonic Writer: Jules Dennis When Nicole malfunctions, Sonic and Sally go to Robotropolis to get replacement parts. While there, they discover the Forbidden Zone and a being named Lezar. Lezar causes Sonic to lose his speed abilities, and teaches him that he can still accomplish things without it. Sonic Boom Writer: Len Janson While on a mission in Robotropolis, Sally intercepts a message which includes the use of her father's pet name for her. They follow the lead to the Dark Swamp and the remains of Ironlock Prison. In the process, a freedom fighter named Cat is captured. The freedom fighters gain maps to Robotropolis, but the search for Sally's father proves futile. Sonic and Sally Writers: Pat Allee and Ben Hurst Before becoming the principle writers for the second season, Allee and Hurst wrote this account of Sally's capture by Robotnik's forces. Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Back in Knothole, Tails begins to doubt Sally's behavior because of small details, such as how she reads a bedtime story. After first dismissing Tails' fears, Sonic also comes to realizes he's been dealing with a "Stepford Sally." Hooked on Sonics Writer: Randy Rogel In an attempt to impress Sally, Antoine tries to capture Robotnik by himself. He attempts to lure Robotnik into the open with the offer of a power ring, but Antoine is himself captured and Sonic has to rescue him. Ultra Sonic Writer: David Villaire While on a raid in Robotropolis, Sonic finds his Uncle Chuck as a robot worker in a crystal mine. Uncle Chuck recovers his mind and will long enough to help destroy a giant crystal which would have damaged the ecosystem of the entire planet. As Uncle Chuck loses control of his will, Sonic vows to return for him. Sonic's Nightmare Writer: Frank Santopadre The freedom fighters are captured and held on a deserted island refinery. Sonic must not only rescue them but he also has to deal with a recurring nightmare where he unable to prevent Sally's being roboticized. Warp Sonic Writer: Matt Uitz The freedom fighters discover an underground civilization called Lower Mobius and one of its citizens, Griff. Lower Mobius draws energy from a power crystal, but it is weakening. Feigning friendship, Griff visits Knothole and steals the power stone which is the source of the power rings. After fighting off some mechanical rats, the power stone is retrieved. Griff apologizes for his theft and is given a portion of the stone to aid Lower Mobius. Harmonic Sonic Writer: David Villaire After Robotnik launches a robot-manned orbiting space station to locate Knothole, the Knothole freedom fighters use a rocket booster to reach and destroy it. Sonic and the Secret Scrolls Writer: Janis Diamond The freedom fighters journey to Mauga (sp?) to recover some legendary scrolls, but Robotnik is tailing them. Robotnik's ship is hurled off a plateau by a violent wind, and the Knothole gang mistakenly believe he is finished. Will they make the same mistake at the end of the second season? Sub-Sonic Writer: Barbara Slade Sonic discovers a stream of water that makes plants grow at a fantastic rate. In their search for the source, the Knothole gang discover a subterranean creature whose habitat has been disturbed by Robotnik's drilling operations. Heads or Tails Writer: Len Janson On a raid of Robotropolis, Sonic runs into Muttski, his now- roboticized pet dog and vows to return him to normal someday. The freedom fighters also have to contend with a squadron of Buzzbombers carrying an orange defoliant [Agent Orange? Hmmmm...] intent on destroying the Great Forest and exposing Knothole. Artwork in this ep is decidedly off-model. Sonic Past Cool Writers: Kayte Kuch & Sheryl Scarborough Tails finds a baby terrapod and the freedom fighters escort the terrapod herd to Boulder Bay, where they will be safe from Robotnik. Sonic Racer Writer: Len Janson While on a mission to disable Robotnik's power generators, Sonic is tempted into participating in a contest against a super-fast robot designed to capture him. While he engages the bot, Bunnie, Sally and Antoine go after their target: Robotnik's back-up generator. 2. Second Season: 1994-95 Game Guy Sonic rescues someone from capture by Robotnik; he turns out to be Ari, a freedom fighter from another group. Ari directs Sonic to a place which turns out to be a trap. Sonic manages to escape (after Robotnik toys with him), but Ari--whose comrades were roboticized and who was himself deceived by Robotnik--is sucked into the Void. Before falling into the Void, Ari says something about a list of other freedom fighters. Sonic Conversion To my way of thinking, THE breakthrough episode for the series! The Knothole gang test a deroboticizing process on Bunnie, whose partially-roboticized body is returned to normal. Sonic then goes after Uncle Chuck and is able to convince him to undergo the process. However, the process turns out to be only temporary as, in a poignant scene, Bunnie reverts to a half-robot. When Uncle Chuck reverts to robotic form, he captures Tails and Antoine for delivery to Robotnik; Sonic confronts him and manages to break the hold on Uncle Chuck's mind. Uncle Chuck returns to Robotropolis to work as a spy for the Knothole gang. No Brainer Sonic's thought processes are temporarily scrambled while on a mission in Robotropolis. Taking advantage of the situation, Snively convinces Sonic that they are friends. The disruption wears off just as the Knothole gang face imminent capture. Blast to the Past (two parts) Dulcy takes Sonic and Sally to a floating island where they use the Time Stones to return to Mobotropolis on the eve of the planet's conquest by Dr. Robotnik (then known as Julian, affiliated with the War Ministry and supposedly in charge of its dismantling). They also encounter themselves as 5-year-olds and learn that it was Sonic's Uncle Chuck who had perfected the roboticizer process in the first place, though Julian/Robotnik stole the process. Sally and Sonic work to keep their child selves from being roboticized, to prevent the Great Forest from being destroyed, and to make sure that Sally's nanny, Rosie, would not get captured. Fed Up With Antoine/Ghost Busted (back to back episodes) Feeling unappreciated, Antoine allows himself to be made "king" by a group of renegades, unaware that with the office comes the "honor" of being an entree./While out camping, Sonic's ghost story panics Tails, and Antoine once more demonstrates his ineptitude. Dulcy Dulcy begins having overpowering urges to fly to Dragonsnest, a nesting site for female dragons. She, Sonic and Sally, arrive just as Robotnik has captured another female dragon; they then discover the dragon's egg inside Dragonsnest. Taking the egg back to Knothole, they rescue the female dragon who returns in time to hatch the egg. The Void Sonic discovers an opening to the Void while out in the "Great Unknown" [another name for the Forbidden Zone?]. Sally and Bunnie are put under a spell and pulled into the Void by a sorcerer named Naugus, who had been imprisoned there years before by Robotnik and who needs Sonic's speed to escape. Sonic learns what has happened from Nicole and allows himself to be pulled into the Void. Attempting to rescue Sally and Bunnie, he is tricked into rescuing what he thinks is Sally's father but is really Naugus. Sonic returns to the Void and finds not only Sally and Bunnie but the King and Ari as well. He brings them all out, but Naugus and the King have spent so much time in the Void that their bodies cannot handle living on Mobius. Naugus breaks off his tormenting of Robotnik, and Sally's father gives her the list of other resistance groups. On the whole, Sally goes through the emotional rollercoaster ride of her life. The Odd Couple/Ro-Becca (back to back episodes) After a crash landing by Dulcy leaves Sonic homeless he moves in with Antoine, who predictably gets bent out of shape by Sonic's lifestyle./Rotor cobbles together a robot which develops the hots for Antoine. Cry of the Wolf The Knothole freedom fighters search for and discover the Wolf Pack, the remnants of an ancient race who are now one of the other resistance groups. After several unsuccessful attempts to destroy a test pod from the Doomsday Project, Sonic draws it into a lightning storm and destroys it. Drood Henge Sonic and Tails discover an archaeological dig by Robotnik; they learn from Nicole that the object of the search is the Deep Power Stones, and that Robotnik has recovered one of the two. Tails comes up with a plan to retrieve the second stone before Robotnik can get to it. Spyhog On the eve of final preparations of the Doomsday project, Robotnik begins to suspect that there is a spy in his midst. Uncle Chuck's cover is blown, but he escapes capture and goes back underground with a different cover. Doomsday In the season finale, a combined force of the five freedom fighter groups tries to destroy the Doomsday project. Robotnik, however, seems to have too many safeguards built in. As a last resort, Sonic and Sally use the Deep Power Stones. The Doomsday project is destroyed; Robotnik's fate is uncertain but Snively is ready to step into his shoes in a burst of megalomania and overacting. Cliffhanger: who or what does Snively have to help him? We'll never know: ABC chose not to run StH for a third season. VOICE CREDITS: SONIC: Jaleel White SALLY: Kath Soucie NICOLE: Kath Soucie (uncredited) TAILS: Bradley Pierce BUNNIE: Christine Cavanaugh ANTOINE: Rob Paulsen ROTOR: Mark Ballou (1st season) Cam Brainard (2d season) DULCY: Cree Summer Franks UNCLE CHUCK: William Windom ROBOTNIK: Jim Cummings SNIVELY: Charlie Adler ADDITIONAL VOICES: (First season): David Doyle Gaille Heindenmann Dana Hill Danny Mann Jason Marsden Charlie Schlatter Frank Welker (Second season): Shari Belafonte: Lupee (?) Michael Bell: Naugus (?) Crystal Cooke Tim Curry: Sally's father; Keeper of the Time Stones Dave Fennoy Dorian Harewood John Kassir Katie Leigh Nancy Linari Victor Love Tahj Mowry Hal Rayle Alaina Reed Hall Lindsay Ridgeway April Winchell Want to contact DiC? Write or phone: DiC 303 North Glenoaks Blvd. Burbank, CA 91502 (818) 955-5400 (818) 955-5696 (FAX) B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS [CONTRIBUTIONS WELCOME] Now, direct from the Great White North, Brad Clark summarizes the original Sonic miniseries: Issue 0 "Don't Cry For Me, Mobius" Story: Michael Gallagher, Art: Scott Shaw! Sonic is chased by Dr. Robotnik. After the chase, which Robotnik loses, Sonic returns to Knothole where most of the main characters are introduced for the first time. (Note: Rotor is referred to as "Boomer.") Antoine then announces that there is a leak in Knothole (Knothole is located underground in this issue) that is caused by Robotnik. Sonic defeats Robotnik with a power ring. "The Royal Family of Mobius" Takes place before Robotnik was in power and has Sonic and Uncle Chuck running a chilidog take-out stand. Robotnik destroys the stand and captures Muttski and Uncle Chuck. Sonic meets Sally (with yellow hair and red fur) who introduces him to the rest of the freedom fighters in Knothole. Issue 1 "Run, Sally, Run" Story and art: Gallagher & Shaw! Sally [this time with pink fur and black hair] goes to see Robotnik about the return of her father. Robotnik captures Sally and almost throws her into the "Robo-machine." Sonic rescues Sally only to discover that Sally had wanted to get caught in order to gather information on the roboticizer, using some special boots designed by Boomer/Rotor. Issue 2 "A Crowning Achievement" Gallagher & Shaw! again. Sally decides to wear the "Crown of the Acorn Kings" which belonged to her father, but the crown is missing. They discover a robotic freedom fighter who tells them that Robotnik has stolen the crown and has scattered its jewels (the four Chaos Emeralds) throughout the land. Sonic retrieves the emeralds and Boomer/Rotor repairs the crown. Issue 3 "Sonic Flashback" Gallagher & Shaw! Sonic and Robotnik recall when they were kids. Uncle Chuck invents the power rings. Sonic and Robotnik have an argument, and it escalates until Robotnik is constructing mechanical monsters out of Uncle Chuck's appliances. Sonic then wakes up -- it was all just a daydream -- and resumes being chased by Robotnik. "Why Ask Spy" Sonic is made to look like a robot to trick Robotnik and to destroy one of his factories. In the process, Sonic discovers Uncle Chuck and Muttski who have both been roboticized. Sonic destroys the factory. #18 [Jan 1995]: "Wedding Bell Blues" Robotnik gets word of Sonic and Sally's impending wedding and plans an attack. "In the Still of the Night" While trying to determine the nature of the mysterious orb (cf. "First Star....", #17), Sally is called to the bedside of her old mentor, Julayla, just before she dies. Sonicgram: includes statement that Sonic is 15, and a German fan disses Dave Manak's artwork Sonic: In Your Face #1 [1995] "Sally's Crusade: The Quest" The orb is revealed to be a casing surrounding Nicole. Sally, with the others in tow, searches for what turns out to be Julayla's last testament. The significance of this document is spelled out in a "flashforward" at the end of the story. "Mirror Zone" An excuse to practice backwards lettering. Sonicgram: Sally's age is given as "about 15." [Note, if you're going to guess a lady's age, guess on the low side ;-) ] "Tails' Tallest Tale" Tails substitutes for Sonic, putting in an appearance at a con. His exaggerations almost get him into trouble. Artwork by Shaw!. #19 [Feb 1995]: "Night of a Thousand Sonics" In order to defeat Robotnik's latest scheme, Sonic has to call in as many versions of himself from as many parallel universes as he can. Artwork by Manak for the first half, Mawhinney for the second. Sonicgram: The name of Sally's father is given as "King Acorn" (but see FAQ #5). Scott Fulop hedges on when Knuckles will make an appearance and whose side he'll be on. Again, Sally is identified as a "ground squirrel." Hint is dropped as to a Sonic motion picture in the works. #20 [Mar 1995]: "That's the Spirit" Exposure to an antimatter explosion renders Sonic invisible; Sally and the others [Tails being the exception] believe he is dead. The comedic pacing and Manak's artwork mar what otherwise might have been a very poignant story. Great line (Sonic to Robotnik--who thinks he's dealing with a ghost): "Give Mobius back to the freedom fighters, lose weight and get a hairpiece!" "Deadliest of the Species" [Prologue to the Princess Sally miniseries] While on a sabotage mission, Sally is confronted by someone claiming to be part of a rebel underground. Sonicgram: Once again lists Sally's age as 15. #21 [Apr 1995]: "3 Phases of E.V.E" Pat Spaziante debuts as a story artist. Robotnik unleashes E.V.E. ["exceptionally versatile evolvoid"] to capture Sonic. As Sonic manages to outsmart E.V.E., it simply adapts to another form to compensate. Sonic lures it to Robotnik's headquarters where, assuming a self-conscious form, E.V.E. determines that it is being held back by its biological inheritance from Sonic and Robotnik [i.e., individual cells used in E.V.E.'s creation]. E.V.E. toasts Robotnik, but thanks to some quick thinking by Sonic--apparently, Sally's influence is rubbing off on him ;-) -- E.V.E. spares Sonic and travels out into space on a journey of self-actualization. Is Robotnik really history? That's the tease--stay tuned, probably until after the Sally miniseries. Sonicgram: announcement of the delay in rolling out the Sally miniseries; another special issue (48pp) due out in May. #22 [May 1995] "The Return," written by Ken Penders, art by Pat Spaziante & Harvey M. The story opens with Sonic & Sally MCW (Married with Children; cf. the end of "Sally's Quest" in _In Your Face #1_). Sonic & Sally are out with the kids when, during a lightning storm, an apparition of Robotnik appears and just as suddenly disappears. Have your pencils and scorecards ready to try and follow the remainder of the plot: Robotnik is actually on a satellite talking with Robo-Robotnik from "Night of a Thousand Sonics," (#19), only in this case only the consciousness of Robo-Robotnik (hereinafter "R-R") remains resident. Robotnik convinces R-R to teleport him back to Mobius, where it turns out Snively has activated an alternative Doomesday device which would go off if Robotnik was ever defeated. Robotnik actually deactivates "Operation Wasteland" himself to keep from being ruler over nothing and to have the pleasure of saying to Sonic: "You owe me!" Robotnik and Sonic MWC are declared to be at a stalemate. What about R-R? Who knows? Muddled story saved by Spaziante artwork. "Tails Knighttime Story," written by Angelo Decasare, art by Dave Manak & John Dagostino. As Tails grumps about "get[ting] baby-sat" while Sonic has all the fun and adventures, Sally tells him a bedtime story wherein Sonic is Sir Runalot and Tails is his page who "borrows" his armour one day and who, mistaken for the aforementioned knight, ends up doing battle with Sir Knightmare of Robotannia (guess who?) until the real Sir Runalot saves his...er...tails. Sonicgram: the comics should get a FAQ File, since two letters pepper them with questions (most are answered: "Keep reading." Translation: "we're working on it!"). The cover of Princess Sally #2 in an ad on the same page differs from one which appears on p. 17 of the same issue(!), thus bolstering the "creative differences" theory in Q7. #23 [Jun 1995] "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Tails, Robotnik and Snively are all captured by Car-Heem, a giant alien who wants to study them. In order to save Robotnik from "disposal," Sonic convinces Car-Heem that they are interdependent species, a novelty to the autonomous Car-Heem. Thanks to a diversion by Sonic, the others escape their confinement in a craft of Robotnik's design. Although Robotnik blows Car-Heem and Sonic out of Car-Heem's spacecraft's airlock, Rotor retrieves them. In gratitude, Car-Heem returns everyone to Mobius and Rotor, inspired, releases the inhabitants of his ant farm [Heavy Message]. There's also a really bad pun which I'm not going to reveal. Do-It-Yourself Sonic Contest winners announced. "Vol-ANT-teer" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Antoine ventures into Robotropolis alone to retrieve Tails' lost backpack with a power ring in it. Bunnie shadows him just in case. Surprising last panel gives the impression that Antoine isn't exactly clueless. Sonicgram: Further indication that Knuckles will put in an appearance in the next Sonic special, though no hint as to his allegiance; look for an appearance by Knack the Weasel [c.f., the Triple Trouble game] in the same issue. #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island, and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. Princess Sally Mini-series #1 [April 1995] Summary by Ron Bauerle "Deadliest of the Species!" written by Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders, art by Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski. Opens with a nice splash page summarizing the struggle so far and describes the main characters (get this: "Antoine is renouned for his military skills" - okayyyy...). Next it recaps Sally's meeting Geoffrey St. John...in StH #20. Sally & Geoffrey are attacked by SWATbots after destroying the facility and manage to beat them off [hey, Ron, let's leave their private lives out of this ;-) ] and exchange some banter in the process (I can't call it friendly but it's not really sarcastic either). They then head back to the camp where some young trainee freedom fighters are waiting for Sally. Geoffrey mistakes them for enemies and jumps a pig (Hamlin) but they're separated by Sally. This establishes some bad blood between Hamlin and Geoffrey that continues all issue. The team proceeds to its next target (an energy substation) and after battling SWATbots and ORBbots manage to destroy it. During the battle Geoffrey saves Hamlin's life but Hamlin still doesn't trust him. That night, when everyone else is asleep, Geoffrey slips away, activates a teleportal, enters some kind of building and descends to its basement where he speaks to a figure in a glass case: Sally!? Also some fan art: two pics of Sally & Bunnie (both NBD), and one of Sally as a dominatrix (!). Princess Sally Miniseries #2 (Summary by Erich Schulman): The story opens with a fight between St. John and Hamlin, and Sally gives Hamlin a scolding. To reach the third, undestroyed substation, the freedom fighters use a new (!?) technology: hang gliders. Arlo's hang glider is hit by the defenses and he is wounded in action; Penelope volunteers to stay with him. Once inside, Sally and St. John are attacked by an octopod, and everyone barely manages to escape the explosions. Upon leaving, they find that Sally and Penelope are gone. Sally says they will return to camp without them (to which Hamlin is opposed), and they never show up again. Did you have your doubts about St. John? That night, St. John replaces Sally with a lookalike robot and delivers the real Sally to Robotnik. Fan mail (singular; only one letter appears): Will Sonic and Sally marry? "Could be." Has Sally met Knuckles? She will in a forthcoming 48-page S&K special. Does Sally have a mother, and if so what does she look like? "Of course...her origin may yet be told." Or [shameless plug] you can read about it in "Bloodlines" in the fanfic section of Rotor's homepage. "Deadliest of the Species, Part III" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Art Mawhinney (Summary: James Firmiss) (Recap of parts 0, 1 and 2 omitted) Sally, Hamlin and Dylan are fighting their way into Robotropolis with paint guns and grenades (blinding SWATbots). Dylan believes that attacking at half strength isn't wise, yet they press on. Hamlin nearly falls from a collapsing catwalk but Sally rescues him. They eventually reach their objective, break down the doors and find...Robotnik, St. John and Sally (in the container). Hamlin believes Geoffrey to be a traitor so he jumps him. Sally breaks it up and says she and St. John are on the same side. Robotnic reveals that Sally is an auto-automaton, a perfect robot duplicate, and that there was no weakness in the defense system. His master plan is to replace key members of the freedom fighters--we see auto-automatons of Sonic and Tails being built. Robotnik also plans to roboticize the Sally delivered to him by St. John. Robotnik begins the roboticization process but the chamber blows up because a "feedback loop" has occurred. Something which is impossible unless...he were trying to roboticize a robot! The real Sally was with Dylan and Hamlin. Sally tries to 'arrest' Robotnik, but large StealthBots emerge from the walls and capture the freedom fighters. Note: you could see the outlines of the StealthBots 5 pages back. St. John pushes a button on a remote control and a vehicle burrows its way up through the floor. Out pop Penelope, Arlo and three "moles". They help free Sally, Dylan and Hamlin (more paint guns). Robotnik manages to activate a 30-second self-destruct and disappears down an escape chute. Sally and the others all head for the vehicle maintenance area and grab saucer-shaped air cars (from Hanger 18! X-P ) and get out with no time to spare. With everyone back at the base, Hamlin, Penelope, Arlo and Dylan are promoted to full-fledged freedom fighters. Sally tries to convince Geoffrey to come to Knothole but he declines in order to rejoin the Rebel Underground. He does engage Sally in some serious lip-locking before they part. If you're not confused yet, here's a run-down of the plot- twists, as Sally explains them at the end: The FIRST Sally switch occurred right at the beginning of Part 1 shortly after meeting St. John. St. John really was the leader of the "Rebel Underground" and acted as a double agent in order to gain Robotnik's trust and activate the robot double prematurely in order to find out what its plans were. It was the auto-automaton Sally that helped attack the 2d and 3d substations. It was such a good copy that it could give orders, make hard choices, and even grieve for missing comrades. But did you notice the two clues that would have tipped you off that this was an automated Sally: 1. "Auto" Sally wore a purple vest instead of a blue one. 2. "Auto" Sally referred to Geoffrey by his first name, while the real Sally always called him "Mr. St. John." The SECOND Sally switch occurred in Part II, when Robotnik (and the reader) was supposed to think that Sally was being replaced by a robot double. And what about Arlo and Penelope? They were taken away by the moles from the literal Rebel UNDERGROUND. The Rebel Underground was also supposed to be backup in case anything unexpected happened. "This is definitely one of the most complicated stories Archie's Sonic group has ever come up with. Congrats...." JF SallyGram: Horace Hawkins (14) wishes Sally a Happy Valentine's Day, and expresses the desire to be her boyfriend. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Scott Fulop (Editor) asks if there is interest in a MONTHLY Sally comic. If so, send a postcard with the following: Give me Princess Sally. Monthly. NOW!!! to: SallyGrams c/o Archie Comic Publishing 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Sonic and Knuckles Special summaries by: James Firmiss [Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Pencils: Art Mawhinney (Ch1) & Dave Manak (Ch2) Inking: Rich Koslowski Lettering: Mindy Eisman Coloring: Barry Grossman "Fire Drill" "Lord of the Floating Island" Script: Ken Penders . . . . Ken Penders Pencils: Ken Penders . . . . Harvey Mercandoocasio Inking: Jon D'Agostino . . . Harvey Mercandoocasio Lettering: Bill Yoshida . . . . Bill Yoshida Coloring: Freddy Mendez . . . Freddy Mendez Cover Art: Patrick Spaziante Editor: Scott Fulop Harvey Mercandoocasio Managing Editor: Victor Gorelick Covor Color: Heroic Age Colors Editer in Cheif: Richard Goldwater [Special thanks to Jennifer Hunn at Sega] On with the Summary: --Panic in the Sky-- [ Part 1 ] The approach of a floating island disrupts the people on the western coast of the "Great Continent"*. Back at Knothole, Sally and the crew hear of these reports and see the island is heading straight for Knothole**. Sonic walks in with Tails and tell the others its the Floating Island they were on a few months back*** where they met Knuckles the Echinda. They head out in their TurboProp**** flown by Antoine to investigate the island and why its come to Knothole. On the way there they're nearly shot down by guns mounted on the bottom. The guns are avoided by flying above the island's horison and Sonic parachutes (while Tails just flies) down to land. They see Brobdignagian*5* fungi [Giant Mushrooms] and have to avoid a few hazards (pendulums and ax-weilding bots) but Sonic falls into a trap where he once again sees Knuckles. [Part 2] Sonic is hanging onto the side of a cliff while Knuckles is about to step on his fingers since this is Sonic's second trespassing offense. Tails saves the day (sorta) by trying to drop a rock on Knuckles from above.. this sends both down the edge of the clif and nearly into dangerous waters. Tails eventually airlifts both of them*6* to safety. Knuckles grudgingly thanks Tails and Sonic explains that the island's been 'hijacked'. Knuckles takes Sonic and Tails down to the Chaos Chamber (where the Chaos Emerald which holds up the island resides). They see its energy is being syphoned by none other than Robotnik himself! Robotnik reveals his plan (since its too late to stop him*7*). He burrowed in from the underside of the island and added thrusters and weapons. He'd use it as a flying fortress and use energy from the Chaos Emerald to power weapons ment to wipe out the freedom fighters. Knuckles, as guardian of the island can't allow his island to be used this way and decides to smash the Chaos Emerald. With the island falling Robotnik makes a hasty retreat... he thinks he still won since the island is about to crush Knothole*8*. Knuckles breaks out a spare*9* emerald and replaces it in time. Sonic asks Knuckles if he'd like to land the island and join the Freedom Fighters. Knuckles declines saying he has his own problems and responsi- bilities and takes the island away so he can remove Robotnik's weapons. Lots of Footnotes: * They give the impression Arlo, Penelope, Hamlin and Dylan (i.e. Freedom Fighters from Princess Sally Miniseries) live here. ** This is weird. The freedom fighter's headquarters is looking alot like Robotnik's place.. suprisingly high-tech for a rebel underground. *** Sonic and Tails say they were on the island months ago... You mean after all this time they didn't tell anyone? **** I've never been much on military markings but doesn't that plane have U.S. WWII markings.. maybe its their way of celebrating V.E day 50th aniv. *5* What's "Brombdignagian" mean you ask? Brombdignag?.. Jonathan Swift?.. Gulliver's travels!?... READ A BOOK! *6* He's lifting two guys bigger than he is? Tails is going to need some BenGay for his rump after that one. *7* That's what all evil villans say :) *8* It looks like Robotnik knows where Knothole is... Also, there are alot of visible huts in what used to be an 'underground village'. *9* Knuckles later says it wasn't a spare.. he swapped emeralds, broke a 'fake' one and replaced the real one. There's really was no reason for him to tell Sonic he had a 'spare' emerald since Robotnik had already left... He could've just told him he swapped emeralds right then and there. (Or he could've just stuck to his lie). -- Fire Drill -- Knuckles hears a loud 'KA-THOOOM!' from near the beach and he flies over to investigate. He spots the intruder in some bushes but its gone when he jumps it. He suspects its Sonic since whoever it is MUST be very fast. Knuckles follows the trail around to places on the island even HE doesn't know about (apparently his father never revealed ALL of the island's secrets). The trail eventually leads off the edge of the island. Knuckles still thinks it was Sonic up to no good... "Good riddence (just wait'll next time)" [ In the last panel we see that the invader is still on the island. Only the shadow of a hand is shown as he says to himself... "This was only your first lesson and I can see already you have a lot to learn! Class is now in session..." ] {{ I have no idea who this mysterious person is.. the arm looks too skinny to be Robotnik's though. maybe a Chaotix character.. maybe Nack the Weasel. I can't say. I liked this story... it had a mysterious feel to it. }} -- Lord of the Floating Island -- We see Knuckles patroling the floating island on an unusually windy day when he spots a confused baby kangaroo. He lands to keep the joey company while they search for mom. Bengy (we find out his name later) knows Knuckles watches over the island and asks him to bring back the sky. [Its unusually dark during the day.. yet there are few clouds]. Knuckles explains that what's happening is an 'eclipse' and that's probably what's causing the unusual winds. After avoiding a herd of (biped) dingoes Knuckles explains a bit more about the island to Bengy... how its a paradise yet there's been visitors who'd like to change that [namely Sonic and Robotnik]. As the eclipse ends and the winds die down they meet up with Bengy's mom. Knuckles flies off.. "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" {{ There really wan't a whole lot to this story. All it really shows is that Knuckles isn't really such a bad guy after all. }} -------------------- No SonicGrams but there's a few announcements: Sonic Issue #25 (Aug. '95) will feature: Sonic vs. Mecha Sonic (From Sonic CD) and Silver Ink Cover {{ woowoo }} Sonic the Hedgehog in Triple Trouble 48-page Special [on sale Aug. '95] Introducing "Nack the Weasel". Featuring all-out brawl between Sonic-n-Knuckles, a Knuckles Solo Story, and a Tails Solo Story. 32X - Knuckles Chaotix 48-page Special [on sale Nov. '95] Knuckles Solo Stories in Sonic Issues #31-33 (Feb. '96 - Apr. '96) Knuckles 3-part Miniseries beginning Jan. '96. {{ My note: Archie Comic's 'On Sale' dates tend to be faithful (or try to be) but the dates put on the issues tend to be 'two months early' [i.e. Sonic #24 is the July issue but came out in May] I guess this gives them some 'breathing room' in case something crops up.. e.g the last minutes "Princess Sally Miniseries" changes }} NOTES FROM THE NET: that's the heading suggested for comix- related posts to a.f.s-h by none other than Paul Castiglia of Archie Comics. Seems P.C. thinks that NftN would make a good subsection of the Sonic Grams, and said so in a recent post. The idea is that you can post to a.f.s-h, and your post (and e-mail address if you want) will be reprinted in NftN. But ONLY if you specify that it's for NftN. Apparently Archie Comics is still getting a feel for whether they should go ahead with the plan, so let's see some support for it! Hmmm, wonder if Sally's e-mail address is princess@frdmftrs.mobius.org ? COMIC PUBLISHERS: For subscriptions and back issues--US & Canada: Archie Comics 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 (914) 381-5155. $15.00/year US monthly $18.00/year CAN monthly For subscriptions and back issues--United Kingdom (Fleetway Editions comics): Sonic The Comic Subscription Dept. OR Back Issue Zone Aim Ltd. P.O. Box 10 Pallion Industrial Estate Sunderland, SR4 6SN UNITED KINGDOM 01144-91-5102290 L28.60 (=28 pounds, 60 pence)/year UK fortnightly L45.00/year Europe fortnightly L47.00/year Overseas surface mail fortnightly L55.00/year Overseas airmail fortnightly C. OTHER SOURCES Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ (c)1994: Mahwah, New Jersey: Troll Associates. _Sonic the Hedgehog_ synopsis: Note: Any resemblance between this book and the original comics miniseries shouldn't be surprising; what IS surprising is how far from the TV series this is. Herewith, the "Cliff's Notes" description: Ch.1: At the beginning, Sonic is 7, Robotnik is 15, and both are staying with Uncle Chuck (you get some idea of how non-canonical this is going to get!). While Robotnik is only interested in gadgets, Sonic is only interested in running fast. While Uncle Chuck works on perfecting a power ring, Robotnik cannibalizes parts from Uncle Chuck's old tractor for a robot. When Uncle Chuck starts up the tractor, it goes out of control and heads for Robotnik. Ch. 2: Sonic interrupts a game of one-against-nine baseball to move the tractor which has pinned Robotnik and Uncle Chuck. He's able to move it with the power ring and he takes both Robotnik and Uncle Chuck to the hospital. Ch. 3: After being released from the hospital, Uncle Chuck and Robotnik return home. Robotnik's robot confesses to Uncle Chuck that he was put together with the stolen tractor parts, and Robotnik is grounded. Robotnik cobbles together another robot from Uncle Chuck's major appliances; it grabs Uncle Chuck but Sonic defeats it by wrapping it up in a garden hose. Robotnik leaves. Ch. 4: "Eight years passed." Sonic, 15, has a pet dog, Muttski, and works as a delivery hedgehog for his Uncle Chuck's chili dog stand. Sonic tests his new sneakers (designed by Uncle Chuck) while filling a large order, but in his absence Robotnik returns and arrests "Uncle Chuck" and his robots trash the stand. Ch. 5: Sonic delivers the chili dogs to an old factory, walking into a trap. He escapes and returns to what's left of the stand. He destroys a couple of robots who try to capture him and learns that Robotnik is responsible. He heads off for Robotnik's factory. Ch. 6: Stopping in the forest just outside the factory he encounters "a cute little chipmunk girl": Princess Sally Acorn. She shows Sonic a short-cut to the "Ro-Bo-Machine." Ch. 7: Reaching the fence around the factory, Sonic sees that Uncle Chuck has already been roboticized. Sally tries to stop him, but Sonic goes over the fence. Ch. 8: Sonic goes into Sonic Spin and takes out the SWATbots. With Sally's help, they get Uncle Chuck and Muttski and head for the Great Forest. Ch. 9: Sally leads them to "Knothole Village" which is "under the forest floor." (cf. Sonic #0). Sonic uses a power ring to restore Uncle Chuck and Muttski. None of the other Freedom Fighters are introduced. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ synopsis: one of the Knothole freedom fighters is captured by Robotnik and used as bait to lure Sonic into a trap. In this case, the victim is Bunnie, and the story supposedly explains how she came to be partially roboticized. This account is at odds with the explanation in the comics. In addition, both Uncle Chuck and Muttski in this book has been successfully deroboticized (see above), which conflicts with "Sonic Conversion" and, in fact, the rest of the second season. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ synopsis: COMING SOON OVERSEAS BOOKS: Martin Adams, _Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory_ (c)1993: London: Virgin. Attention WEB-Slingers: The following individuals have set up Sonic the Hedgehog home pages on the World Wide Web. You can access them at: David Pistone http://www.primenet.com/~rotor Stories and fanart Shawn Wolski http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~n5una/index.html Fanart and this FAQ file; also access to Ratman's Sonic Web Page. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 00:28:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA17696 for sonic-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 00:21:36 -0400 Received: from smtp.utexas.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA17691 for ; Wed, 17 May 1995 00:21:33 -0400 Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by smtp.utexas.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA14362 for ; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:19:53 -0500 Received: from slip-11-13.ots.utexas.edu (slip-11-13.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.128.109]) by mail.utexas.edu (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA22089 for ; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:16:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199505170416.XAA22089@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: n5una@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:16:42 -0500 To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: n5una@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Shawn Wolski) Subject: Outta here! Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net To all my friends on Sonic Net and FurToonia: It's that time of year again, where we all go on our separate paths in life, mine leads to Summer School down in UT-Brownsville. I don't know if I will have the time or the ability to get to the computer lab there to take care of e-mail, or do some netsurfing (chew, I'm going to miss that), but I want all of you to know that I'm thinking about you. As I wait for the summer to end and the next semester here at UT to begin, I'll do what I can to keep track of the Sonic Net via David's homepage (a.k.a. Bookshire). In order to shorten the amount of time for sending this message, I have a general address to everyone I can think of that needs notification: -David, yes, still working on Part 2. The end of the year hasn't exactly been very kind to story writers. I still have your e-mail address, so I'll get Part 2 and 3 to you when I can for posting on Sonic Net, and the ENTIRE story when it's completed. NOTE: Everyone addressed here after this point is via David Prower: -(Bookshire): I might have a few ideas later on how to improve my capabilities, I'll notify you when I can. -Craig (Todd): Hi, Dad. Please keep the Chaos Emerald safe for me, and I'm sorry that I might not be active during the summer, because of what my human has to do. I hope you'll understand. It pains me to do this, but now I'm infected with a RL virus, with no immediate cure but time. -Dan (Sonic): Hey, you past cool hedgehog! I'll see you later when I can. -Kris (Tolouse): Don't forget to keep Antoine under control :) -Alessandro (Tyro): Good luck on those programs. -(Tails: list member's name unknown): I'll miss you, big brother. Hopefully, at a later time we can see each other again. HFF forever! (Revert to RL:) This is my last message of the semester to the Sonic Net. Keep the Sonic spirt alive, even though the show won't be (sob!) I shall return... ________________________________________________________________ Shawn Wolski: N5UNA (RL) and David Prower (FurToonia) Statement most likely used when David gets a backrub: "Oooo, I'm home, Ma." n5una@mail.utexas.edu (may be inactive for the duration of SS) _______________________________________________________________ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 16:30:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA26285 for sonic-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 16:05:14 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA26280 for ; Wed, 17 May 1995 16:05:12 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA13843; Wed, 17 May 1995 15:58:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: (PC game) ftp announcement Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I found a game that some of you might like. I have uploaded it to the ftp site (ftp.mv.com) at /pub/users/rat/pc. You must have a PC and at least EGA to play. The game is called Animal Quest. You choose which animal you want to be. Then you have to make it through to end of the forest while catching your prey and avoiding those who would prey upon you. Predators include your natural enemies plus a man with a gun. You can choose to be a fox (but with only one tail), a wolf, a rabbit, a mouse, a porcupine (no hedgehogs), a squirrel, and one or two others. You also gain points for eating fruits and plants your species naturally eats. I've never made it all the way across without getting caught several times. For some reason, I seem to do better as a wolf than as a fox. Requires EGA, VGA, or SVGA. Fully OS/2 compatible and may be compatible with some versions of SoftPC. You must register to get sound card support, mouse support, and additional animals (including deep sea and jungle species). No joystick support at all. I downloaded this game from Delphi about a week ago. If you are on Delphi, you may find it faster to download the game from the PC SIG (GO MAIN COMP PC) than to ftp it. This announcement is, at best, barely on-topic for this list, so please send any replies directly to my address. I will post a summary if there are some particularly interesting comments. I won't be doing announcements like this often, but I thought this game was worth a mention. Erich Schulman (SWL KTN4CA) Member of Team OS/2 Manager, Sonic the Hedgehog mailing list acme@use.usit.net eschulman@delphi.com eschulma@nyx.cs.du.edu |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 18 17:28:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA10504 for sonic-ll; Thu, 18 May 1995 17:01:01 -0400 Received: from spot.Colorado.EDU by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA10499 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 17:00:58 -0400 Received: from Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU [140.226.1.8]) by spot.Colorado.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) with ESMTP id PAA23091 for ; Thu, 18 May 1995 15:00:53 -0600 Received: (from av643@localhost) by Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA22587; Thu, 18 May 1995 15:00:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:00:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199505182100.PAA22587@Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU> From: av643@Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (Dan Ramos) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Outta here! Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net NU> -Dan (Sonic): Hey, you past cool hedgehog! I'll see you later NU> when I can. Kewl! Seeya 'round! (Hope you get this message) Take care of yourself, and don't forget to have your share of fun TOO! Take lotsa PIXY STIX and play lotsa SEGA!!! Later! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 21 15:59:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA10851 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 May 1995 15:35:02 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA10846 for ; Sun, 21 May 1995 15:34:59 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22307; Sun, 21 May 95 15:40:12 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 40861W Sun, 21 May 1995 19:31:18 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Is Manak IMproving? Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 18:06:12 GMT Message-Id: <95052115311835379@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I think so, a bit... From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 13:29:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19436 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:26:09 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19431 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:26:07 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA09818; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:19:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: What's new in the Merc. List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net There are several new listings since v1.1. I've added some toys that were reported to me, and a I added a sewing pattern I found in an ad for a local store. I've also made some changes to try to improve readability. All lines should now be <=79 characters. And I've done some other touching-up. I'm planning on a v2.0 with even more readability improvements. I hope there will be some new and/or improved listings, but I will go ahead with v2.0 even without new information. Contributions are always welcome. You may post to the list or mail me directly. When submitting a new listing, please try to include the manufacturer's name and address. That might help someone get something not available in their area. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 13:39:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19331 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:19:37 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19324 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:19:35 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA09560; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:13:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic Merchandise List, v1.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net SONIC THE HEDGEHOG MERCHANDISE LIST v1.2 (22 May 1995) Compiled by Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Send submissions and corrections to acme@use.usit.net. There is a lot of incomplete information on this list. Please help fill the information holes so we'll all have a complete list. I'd also like to see better and more original game descriptions. Anyone care to lend a hand? All information on Sega products was cut and pasted from a session log on CompuServe. Some information was cut and pasted from Sonic mailing list postings and from personal e-mail. Contributors: Alessandro Sanasi, Dan Drazen, Chris Baird, David M. Pistone, Dan Ramos, Fred Sloniker, Robin Hood (Kris Kelley), James Firmiss GAMES ===== 1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 LCD Game from Tiger Electronics. 2. Sonic the Hedgehog LCD Wrist Game from Tiger Electronics. This was offered in conjunction with some of the video cassettes. You would return proofs of purchase and some cash and then get the game. The offer has already expired. Is this game also sold in stores? The packaging makes it appear that it is. 3. AMAZING SONIC THE HEDGEHOG POCKET ARCADE from Sega Sonic and Robotnik are at it again! The diaboloicol Dr. Robotnik has created a robot factory and it's up to Sonic to stop the mass production of metal mutants! Sonic works his way through the maze-like rooms in an effort to find and remove the Emeralds - the factory's only power source. Team up with Sonic through 12 levels of fast and furious action as he tries to put Robotnik out of business - for good! 4. GAME GEAR SONIC 2 SYSTEM from Sega 5. GENESIS SONIC 2 SYSTEM from Sega 6. SONIC CD from Sega In his first CD adventure, Sonic goes head to head with The Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik's head with The Metal Sonic, Dr. Robotnik's evil Hedgehog creation! Sonic discovers Robotnik wants all of the Time Stones from The Little Planet so he can bend time and rule the world! Can you help Sonic get them first? The CD contains 34 audio selections which can b6e played on a regular CD player. 7. SONIC CHAOS FOR GAME GEAR from Sega Here he comes, straight from his high-speed Sonic 2 adventure! Headstrong Sonic The Hedgehog and his feisty friend Tails blast into hyperspeed to save the Chaos Emeralds. If evil Dr. Robotnik snatches the Emeralds first, he'll make a Super Bomb! Could this be the end? 8. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 LCD Game from Tiger Electronics. TOYS (NON-GAME) =============== 1. Sonic plush toy. It's of Sonic, about 12". From Caltoy. 2. Tails plush toy. It's of Tails, also about 12". From Caltoy. 3-6: McDonald's toys, 1st promotion 3) SONIC: The Sonic toy had Sonic on a fireball and you could launch him off from it. 4) TAILS: The Tails toy was a simple handheld launcher with a flat picture of Tails on a rotary (though four-tailed) tail shaped helicopter deal. :) 5) KNUCKLES: The Knuckles toy was a whirlwind toy you pushed/pulled along a tabletop and watched Knuckles spin as you moved it. 6) Robotnik: The BUTTnik toy looked exactly like the weekday syndicated version of ol' BUTTnik on his hover thingy. When it moved, it would bump along walls and move all over the place bumping into walls. 7. McDonald's toy, 2nd promotion. ONE of twelve different toys McD's had, but there was only ONE of those twelve related to Sonic. The toy looks exactly like a purple/pinkish television with a dark purple back end to it. On top of the television is a black NEW Sega Genesis console with a 3-button controller. 8. Sonic radio-controlled car by Nikko 9. Rubber ball in the shape of Sonic (curled up).. with spines. Manufacturer name not available. FOOD ==== 0. I've seen a commercial for Honey Nut Cheerios featuring Sonic and its bee mascot. Watch the General Mills section of your grocer's cereal aisle in case there is a Sonic cereal in the future. 1. Fanta (Coca-Cola product) can from England with Sonic on it and the text 'Orange Zone - Sonic cool can - the drink with attitude'. 2. Fruit Roll-Ups by Betty Crocker (General Mills). 3. Sonic the Hedgehog Bubblegum in a 1.05oz/30g Game Gear-shaped container distributed by Amurol Confections. Has 5 bubblegum pieces and 5 Sonic Game Gear trading cards. APPAREL ======= 1. Boys' briefs from Fruit of the Loom. 2. SLEEVELESS SONIC AND KNUCKLES DENIM JACKET from Sega 3. SONIC AND KNUCKLES 2ND TO NONE T-SHIRT from Sega 4. SONIC AND KNUCKLES LOW-CROWN CAP from Sega 5. SONIC AND KNUCKLES MOVING DISC WATCH from Sega 6. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG "RELAXED" CAP from Sega 7-12: T-Shirts (Wow, an entire rack devoted to Sonic :) All to fit sizes M to L, full colour, and made of cotton. 7) Front: Large portrait of Sonic doing that "standard" pointing pose, with the rest of the black cotton shirt covered (all over) in a dark yellow collage of scenes from the ?original video game. Back: cheesy rear view of same. Size M; Mnf. by "Top Heavy". 8) A black cotton T-Shirt -- small picture of Sonic "in action" over the pocket area w/ "Sonic" banner underneath. Mnf. Acme. [Btw, this and the rest of the shirts are from Acme's "SEGA Mega Wear" line.] 9) Black cotton shirt with warm yellow and orange picture of a combat ?troll poking his head out from a tank on the front. Large banner with "Pretend its a Game" in faux-bitmap text on back. [Prolly not Hedgehog related, but mnf. by Acme..] 10) Black cotton shirt with several faux-bitmapped Sonics to show him running about (the final and largest pic with his arms folded) with the banner "Think Fast". By ?????. 11) Black or white cotton shirt with the canonical "Sonic 2" portrait (with Tails) and S2 banner. By ?????. 12) Black cotton shirt with a "television's eye view" of Sonic frantically playing with a game controller. Exaggerated comic-eqsue line work by "Brad". By ?????. 13. Sonic sneakers. Mentioned in Sonic-Grams (in the Archie comics and existence confirmed in a K-Mart ad. Manufacturer name not available. CARDS AND COLLECTIBLES ====================== 0. Sonic Game Gear trading cards -- see Sonic the Hedgehog Bubblegum entry under Food. 1. Valentine's Day cards. Manufacturer name not available. 2. Collector cards from Topps (sold in 1993). 33 sticker cards, 33 game tips cards and 6 (very rare) prism cards. 3. Official SEGA sticker album from Panini. 228 stickers showing scenes from the games and the weekday Sonic cartoon. Available at least in England and Germany. PUBLICATIONS ============ 1. SONIC STRATEGY GUIDE from Sega 2. "Sonic the Hedgehog" comic, issued monthly plus occasional special editions. From Archie Comics. 3. "Sonic the Comic" comic, issued fortnightly. From Fleetway Publications. 4. "Sonic the Hedgehog", (c) 1993 By Michael Teitelbaum. From Troll Associates. 5. "Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge", (c) 1994. By Michael Teitelbaum. From Troll Associates. 6. "Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear, (c) 1994. By Michael Teitelbaum. From Troll Associates. 7. "Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors", (c) 1993. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London 8. "Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension", (c) 1993. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London 9. "Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory", (c) 1993. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London 10. "Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik", (c) 1994. By Martin Adams. Published by Virgin, London 11. "Sonic the Hedgehog" Look and Find Book from Publications International. Artwork by Archie Comics. VIDEO AND AUDIO =============== 1. (S) Super Sonic (Buena Vista 2850) Episodes: "Super Sonic", "Sonic and Sally" 2. (S) Hooked On Sonics (Buena Vista 2849) Episodes: "Hooked On Sonics", "Warp Sonic" 3. (S) Sonic Racer (Buena Vista 2851) Episodes: "Sonic Racer", "Sonic Boom" 4. (A) Grounder the Genius (Buena Vista 2380) Episodes: "Grounder The Genius", "Black Headed Eagle" 5. (A) Road Hog (Buena Vista 2381) Episodes: "Road Hog", "Tails In Charge" 6. (A) Robotnik Express (Buena Vista 2382) Episodes: "Robotnik Express", "Tails' New Home" 7. (A) Slowww Going (Buena Vista 2383) Episodes: "Slowww Going", "Over the Hill" 8. (A) Sonic's Song (Buena Vista 2379) Episodes: "Sonic's Song", "Best Hedgehog" 9. (A) Super Special Sonic Search Squad (Buena Vista 2385) Episodes: "Sonic Underground", "Lovesick Sonic" 10. Audio CD "Sonic Boom" Label and number not available. All video listings are VHS cassettes. All tapes marked (A) are the "Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog" weekday series, and those marked (S) are part of the Saturday morning series. OTHER STUFF =========== 1. Drink bottles (of the attach-to-bicycle-frame persuasion) -- robust looking plastic moulding printed with a STH banner and two pictures of Sonic-- one a typical running pose, the other of him reclining in a sun chair wearing dark glasses. Mnf by ??? Made in Australia. 2. Bike helmets -- made from expanded polystyrene and a thin plastic shell covered with multiple pictures of Sonic lifting weights. Available in sizes SM/M and with a black or white background. Mnf. by "Headstart". 3. Sewing pattern, manufacturer name not available. Sonic appears to be running alongside a body of water. There are 4 power rings behind him. A Sonic logo and a star in a circle are at the top. UNCONFIRMED (or, do these things actually exist?) ================================================= 1. Someone posted to the mailing list that DIC was offering Sonic cels. SUPPLIERS ========= Acme Amurol Confections Co. Yorkville, IL 60560 Archie Comics 325 Fayette Ave. Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Buena Vista Home Video Burbank, CA 91521 Caltoy, a division of C&H Toy of America Inc. La Palma, CA Coca-Cola Co. One Coca-Cola Plaza N.W. Atlanta, GA 30313 Fleetway Editions Ltd. 25/31 Tavistock Place London WC1H 9SU United Kingdom Tel. 071 344-6400 Fruit of the Loom 6300 Sears Tower Chicago, IL 60606 General Mills One General Mills Blvd. Minneapolis, MN 55426 Headstart Nikko McDonald's Corp. McDonald's Plaza Oak Brook, IL 60521 Panini -- PANINI PUBLISHING LTD Tunbridge Wells 2TN2 5TT United Kingdom Distribution in Germany: ASV Vertriebs GmbH Suederstrasse 77 20097 Hamburg Distribution in Austria: Pressegrossvertrieb Salzburg Niederalm 300 5081 Salzburg Publications International Sega of America 255 Shoreline Dr. Redwood City, CA 94065 (Back issues of "Sonic the Comic") SONIC BACK ISSUE ZONE Aim Ltd. PO Box 10 Sunderland, SR4 6SN United Kingdom Tiger Electronics Inc. 980 Woodlands Parkway Vernon Hills, IL 60061 Top Heavy Sydney, Australia The Topps Company Inc. Duryea, PA 18642 Troll Associates Mahwah, NJ Virgin, London (cartoon video tape retailer) Whole Toon Catalog P.O. Box 369 Issaquah, WA 98027 EOF |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 13:59:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19508 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:34:35 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19503 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:34:33 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA10140; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:28:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: rodents and hedgehogs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net A while ago, someone raised the issue of Robotnik calling Sonic a rodent, which Sonic is not. In my dictionary, a hedgehog is (incorrectly) defined as a porcupine -- and porcupines *are* rodents. Did anyone notice that Robotnik, in one of the Archie comics, says he had one of Sonic's quills? But hedgehogs don't have porcupine quills. Obviously, someone cut Biology class a few times too many (g). Or maybe the whole thing is just misconception about what hedgehogs (and other animals) are. For that matter, I know people who think rabbits are rodents, and they are not. (Can you say Lagomorpha? I knew you could.) |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 14:09:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19638 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:47:00 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19633 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:46:58 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA10571; Mon, 22 May 1995 13:40:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: The Void Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net We know that Uncle Chuck had good reasons for inventing the device that Julian stole and made into the roboticizer. But why was the Void invented? I don't see how it would serve any useful purpose to the inhabitants of Mobius. It also seems that the Void moves from one second-season episode to another. Robotnik has some control over it, but how is he able to move it from where it was in "Game Guy" to where it was in "The Void"? And what is it anyway? The Void cannot be a black hole because it is escapable, life goes on within it, and it isn't black. When Ari got sucked in, Sally called it a vortex (makes sense) and that someday they would figure it out (like the Void is a puzzle of some sort) and release him. But Sally shouldn't have had any trouble realizing what Ari was going into because her father had already gone in years ago. It doesn't seem that The Void changes so much, so often that it can't be recognized. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 14:59:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA20340 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:37:23 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA20334; Mon, 22 May 1995 14:37:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: rodents and hedgehogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 22 May 1995, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2 wrote: > Did anyone notice that Robotnik, in one of the Archie comics, says he had > one of Sonic's quills? But hedgehogs don't have porcupine quills. I think when the setting of fiction is another planet, you can do anything you want. Let's say the species of hedgehog that can walk and talk (and eat chili dogs) that live on Mobius have quills. Actually it's just the teeth that define a rodent. Rodent is from rodente (spelling?) which means "to gnaw". So has anyone gotten a look at Sonic's teeth? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 19:59:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA23935 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:29:40 -0400 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA23928 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:29:37 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA296845189; Mon, 22 May 1995 19:26:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:26:29 -0400 Message-Id: <950522192629_127609937@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Void Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >And what is it anyway? As far as I can tell, the Void is some type of gateway to someplace else. Maybe another dimension, maybe another planet, maybe sometime in future Mobius. I appear to think that I believe I heard that Naugus actually invented it. Robotnik just opened it for him to go in and never let him out. >[NOP!]...how is he able to move it from where it was >in "Game Guy" to where it was in "The Void"? Well, there's a device that can open it and close it for him so all he has to do is move the device. (Depending on how big the thing is, this might be a lot harder that it sounds.) So let's guess how big it is. In "The Void," Naugus was the one who opened it in the Great Unknown. (And left an artifact for Sonic to find.) It opened waaaaay out in the middle of nowhere. Later, when Sonic went to rescue Sally and Bunnie, Robotnik closed the Void after Sonic jumped in. This means that this device that Robotnik uses to control the Void is very portable and can fit in a hover unit. Or extremely huge and sits in the middle of Robotropolis where Robotnik can control the Void form the safety of his command center. I'd guess it to be big because Snively pushed a button or does something on a consol in the command center to close the Void instead of ordering one of the Swat-bots at the scene to do it for him. -B.B. "Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of." -Arthur Dent, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 20:59:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA24502 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:57:40 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA24497 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:57:38 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA25364; Mon, 22 May 1995 20:51:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 20:51:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Void In-Reply-To: <950522192629_127609937@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Mon, 22 May 1995 BBlaze@aol.com wrote: > As far as I can tell, the Void is some type of gateway to someplace else. > Maybe another dimension, maybe another planet, maybe sometime in future > Mobius. I appear to think that I believe I heard that Naugus actually > invented it. Robotnik just opened it for him to go in and never let him out. Of the three, I think another dimension is best. If it's future Mobius, then let's hope that Sally saw her father in the near future. If in the Void, the year would be 4200, Sally won't be alive long enough to get him out of there permanently. I, for one, wouldn't want to break that news to her. Leaving the planet isn't too hard if you look at the Archie comic where everyone gets sucked up and placed in a tank for the giant's observation. But then what planet is it? We don't know much about Mobius's solar system. I think you're right, that Naugus invented the Void. But what did he want to accomplish by inventing it? Or was he trying to invent something else and got the Void instead? But if he did invent it, it shouldn't be so easy for Robotnik to keep him in. > Well, there's a device that can open it and close it for him so all he has > to do is move the device. (Depending on how big the thing is, this might be > a lot harder that it sounds.) > So let's guess how big it is. In "The Void," Naugus was the one who > opened it in the Great Unknown. (And left an artifact for Sonic to find.) I think it's of variable size. When looking at the rest of the pinball machine, it looks like the Void can be fairly small and able to fit inside. It looked much bigger in the Great Unknown. Its size also seems to vary with its open/closing/closed status. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 21:29:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA24743 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:13:12 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA24738 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:13:10 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA25795; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:06:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Mailing list file server Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net The file retrieval feature of the majordomo mailing list software has seen only sparse usage since the Sonic list's opening day in February. Unless we get a lot of strong objections, the file retrieval function for the Sonic list will be closing. "But what about the files?" They will still be there. You can retrieve them via ftp, which is what most of you have been doing anyway. "But I don't have ftp!" You can still use ftpmail. I will post brief summaries on how to use ftpmail. "But now I have to RTFM all over again! And where is TnewFM?" The new documentation will be out soon. And it won't be hard to get used to the changes. "Behind the scenes" changes will make it easier for me to maintain the ftp'able file collection. This will pay off for you in terms of it being easier for you to get up-to-date files. The new ftp server is a little slower, but most of the files are not big enough for that to be a problem. So let's get out there and knock some pods out of the sky! |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 21:39:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA24777 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:16:41 -0400 Received: from mail.eworld.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA24772 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:16:39 -0400 From: BJIrish@eworld.com Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA149691768; Mon, 22 May 1995 18:16:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:16:08 -0700 Message-Id: <950522181605_10460098@eWorld.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Void Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Within a message on 22 May 1995, Erich Schulman posted... >But why was the Void invented? I don't see how it would serve any useful >purpose to the inhabitants of Mobius. What I recall from "The Void" is Nagus's statement he discovered the Void, but, he did later state that Robotnik invented the means to enter it. I imagine that Doc R.'s motives for doing so were to have a handy place to banish political prisoners without hope of rescue, such as Sally's father, King Acorn. >It also seems that the Void moves from one second-season episode to >another. Robotnik has some control over it, but how is he able to move >it from where it was in "Game Guy" to where it was in "The Void"? Since Sonic could leave the Void from any point within, I think it's logical to assume that the Void could be entered from any point in Mobian "normal-space." Robotnik could concevably position the equipment to open the Void vortex anywhere. >But Sally shouldn't have had any trouble realizing what Ari was >going into because her father had already gone in years ago. It doesn't >seem that The Void changes so much, so often that it can't be recognized. In the 2-part episode "Blast to the Past," Robotnik cast King Acorn into the Void, (I guess that the King's last words, "You'll pay for this, Julian!" rang true in "Doomsday." Too bad we'll never know for sure.) but since Sally was only 5 and was busy being protected by her future 15 year old self, I don't think either of them found out what happened to their father until "The Void." Although, I don't understand how the King could have been at Ironlock Prison in the Great Swamp, where Sal and Sonic later find the evidence of his former presence there. ("Sonic Boom") I assume he must've been there before the coup, because I also assume from the events in "Blast..." that Robotnik captured him immediately. If anyone does have theories on what the Void is, maybe a parallel reality or a pocket universe, I would _LOVE_ to hear them. Brian J. Irish - BJIrish@eworld.com "Jelly and jam time!" - Sonic Hedgehog From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 21:59:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25073 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:39:24 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25068 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:39:22 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA26662; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:33:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: The HFF ftp site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net The Sonic mailing list's ftp site has moved. To get files, you should now go to hff.mv.com. The directory is /pub/sonic. More documentation on the way. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 22:07:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25058 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:38:16 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25053 for ; Mon, 22 May 1995 21:38:13 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03990; Mon, 22 May 95 21:43:26 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 40687W Tue, 23 May 1995 01:34:02 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: The Void Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:40:14 GMT Message-Id: <95052221340235564@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" -> To: Post Sonic -> Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) -> Subject: The Void -> -> We know that Uncle Chuck had good reasons for inventing the device th -> Julian stole and made into the roboticizer. -> -> But why was the Void invented? I don't see how it would serve any us -> purpose to the inhabitants of Mobius. -> -> It also seems that the Void moves from one second-season episode to -> another. Robotnik has some control over it, but how is he able to mo -> it from where it was in "Game Guy" to where it was in "The Void"? -> -> And what is it anyway? The Void cannot be a black hole because it is -> escapable, life goes on within it, and it isn't black. When Ari got -> sucked in, Sally called it a vortex (makes sense) and that someday th -> would figure it out (like the Void is a puzzle of some sort) and rele -> him. But Sally shouldn't have had any trouble realizing what Ari was -> going into because her father had already gone in years ago. It does -> seem that The Void changes so much, so often that it can't be recogni Hey, it wasn't invented, it was discovered (by Naugas) and Robotnik co-opted it as an inescpable prision. Sally might call is a vortex because the opening to the void dimension IS a vortex. Simple, neh? rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 08:59:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28853 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:42:01 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28847 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:41:53 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02847; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:41:41 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA08498; Tue, 23 May 1995 08:41:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9505231241.AA08498@edmund> Subject: Re: The Void To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 08:41:40 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <950522181605_10460098@eWorld.com> from "BJIrish@eworld.com" at May 22, 95 06:16:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > If anyone does have theories on what the Void is, maybe a parallel reality > or a pocket universe, I would _LOVE_ to hear them. > > Brian J. Irish - BJIrish@eworld.com > "Jelly and jam time!" - Sonic Hedgehog > What intrigues me about the Void is a small detail: Naugus referred to it by another name: Sanctuary. As much of a prison as it might be, it appears to serve some purpose. It doesn't help that Naugus' character was somewhat ill-defined in his only appearance in the series. His grievance against Robotnik is clear enough, but is he evil or just spiteful? He also looks (you'll forgive me) thrown together on the cheap: the lobster claw and single horn appear to be particularly pointless. Frankly, he looks more ridiculous than impressive, and "impressive" is the effect you hope to achieve if you're a wizard. I also feel that there's some tie-in between the preoccupation with gemstones (from the Time Stones to the Chaos Emeralds) and the crystalline appearance of the place. Perhaps the Void is where the various stones are "born" before being placed in the Mobian world. I've been working on a story which will be an apocalypse: how things end once and for all. As a result, I've been trying to cobble together Mobian mythology (with not much success from a systematic point of view). Still, the story would involve mythical elements involving the Chaos Emeralds as well as the Master Emerald [which I call "The Blood Stone" for reasons a little too gory to go into at the moment]. The Void doesn't figure into the plot -- not yet, at any rate. But going back to the previous paragraph, perhaps the Void is where the fate of Mobius was originally conceived until Robotnik's intervention. Mobius, then, would stand at the crossroads between three distinct futures: continuation of life under Robotnik, a return to pre-Robotnik conditions, and simply dissolving into Chaos and destruction. The Void, IMO, is neither a parallel universe nor an alternate reality: rather, it plays an as yet undefined role in Mobian cosmology. Sorry to sound so academic about it. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 13:04:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA01537 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:38:05 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA01531 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:38:03 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08434; Tue, 23 May 95 12:43:21 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 33698W Tue, 23 May 1995 16:34:09 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: The Void Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 15:36:51 GMT Message-Id: <95052312340935689@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> In the 2-part episode "Blast to the Past," Robotnik cast King Acorn -> Void, (I guess that the King's last words, "You'll pay for this, Juli -> rang true in "Doomsday." Too bad we'll never know for sure.) but sinc -> was only 5 and was busy being protected by her future 15 year old sel -> don't think either of them found out what happened to their father un -> Void." -> Although, I don't understand how the King could have been at Ironloc -> in the Great Swamp, where Sal and Sonic later find the evidence of hi -> presence there. ("Sonic Boom") I assume he must've been there before -> coup, because I also assume from the events in "Blast..." that Robotn -> captured him immediately. -> Well, how about this... Obviously, the whole Coup adventure didn't take place in a one hour space. Robotnik held King Acorn for a few hours at Irongate, until he could open the Void there to transfer him into it. Irongate, even unused, was (and is) a pretty secure place, and was quite possibly used for holding many prisoners temporarily. IN fact, it's quite likely that Robotnik performed all of his Void experements at Irongate, it being an out of the way place that was easily secured. While there, King Acorn managed to hide the few things he could-- perhaps even escaped for a few moments, only to be recaptured and exiled into the Void. That work for anyone? rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 19:36:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA08002 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:09:34 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA07996 for ; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:09:28 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA244620535; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:08:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:08:55 -0400 Message-Id: <950523190854_9749284@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Void Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-05-23 13:31:14 EDT, rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) writes: >[NOP!]...That work for anyone? (Got this new quoting feature. But anyway...) Anything works until something is documented. The last few mesages have been about different theories about this Void. Any of them could be true until someone writes a story/comic/show/movie (?) about it. By doing this, the author effectively says, "This is true, this is what happened," and all other theories are wrong and made null and void. -B.B. "Portable molecular decomposer. I want one." -Sid Gomez, Tek War: The Series From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 13:59:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18386 for sonic-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:41:56 -0400 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18381 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 13:41:54 -0400 Received: from sun-10.cae.wisc.edu (sun-10.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.20.149]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id MAA04527 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:41:46 -0500 From: James Firmiss Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-10.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id MAA24220 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Wed, 24 May 1995 12:41:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199505241741.MAA24220@sun-10.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Sonic #25 Summary To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 24 May 95 12:41:43 CDT In-Reply-To: <950523190854_9749284@aol.com>; from "BBlaze@aol.com" at May 23, 95 7:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Hello fellow Sonic Mailing-Listers... Since Archie decided to do a few things different this time I decided to try something different with the summary for Sonic Issue #25. Oh.. by the way.. Anyone else notice what looks like a Super Nintendo in the pile of junk in the foreground of the Sonic & Knuckles 48-page special? --- There's just one 4-part story in this 'silver' 25th issue titled --[ Go Ahead... Mecha My Day! ]-- Script: (the return of) Mike Gallagher Penciling: Pat (Spaz) Spaziante Inking: Harvey (Harvo) Mercadoocasio Lettering: Mindy Eisman Coloring: Barry Grossman Cover Coloring: Heroic Age Editor: Scott Fulop Managing Editor: Victor Gorelick Editor-In-Chief: Richard Goldwater This story is heavily based on the Sonic CD game. Here the freedom fighters discover Ivo Robotnik's new "zone portal".. the "Collision Chaos Zone". To lure Sonic in the zone Robotnik kidnap's Sonic's biggest fan... none other than that pink hedgehog, AMY ROSE. Tails is sent to investigate the zone from the air and he too becomes Robotnik's captive. (tied back-to-back with Amy... Ouch! watch the spines!) That's when Sonic goes into action. To rescue Amy and Tails, he must race through these new zones and challenge Robotnik's newest creation, the jet-powered Mecha-Sonic! Spaz has gone a bit.. well.. spaz in this issue. The layout's a bit different and we're given lots of close-up face shots, silhouettes, (and lots of Robotnik's teeth). Some of the poses and angles seem a bit awkward but overall I like this layout. [Product Placement watch: Knuckles Chaotix, Sega Saturn (Virtua Fighters)] The credit page (last page) features a collage of characters... lets see if I can find em all... Robotnik, Badniks and other Sonic Foes: Dr. Ivo Robotnik, Snively, Swatbots, Roboticized Uncle Chuck, Roboticized Muttski, Dark Princess Sally, Grounder, Caterkiller, Coconuts, Mecha-Sonic, Robo-Sonic, Dark Biker Rotor, Knuckles. Sonic and other Goodniks: Sonic the Hedgehog, Miles 'Tails' Prower, Rotor, Princess Sally, Sir Charles (Uncle Chuck), Muttski, Antoine D'Coolette, King Acorn, Arlo, Penelope, Hamlin, Dylan, Bunny Rabbot, Geoffrey St. John, and last but not least: Amy Rose. Special Features: --[ ProArt ]-- The staff at Archie Comics show off their own Sonic drawings. --[ Sonic-Grams ]-- No letters!! The whole page is dedicated to announcements from and about the Archie crew. They again announce a few specials coming soon: "Sonic Triple Trouble" and "Knuckles Chaotix" 48-page specials. "Knuckles" and "Tails" mini-series (We're all waiting for that last one). -- ===[ James Firmiss --- firmiss@cae.wisc.edu ]=== Hurry Star Force... To Iscandar! The Earth only has 281 days left! From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 23:59:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA25753 for sonic-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 23:37:47 -0400 Received: from mail.eworld.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA25747 for ; Wed, 24 May 1995 23:37:45 -0400 From: BJIrish@eworld.com Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA160183033; Wed, 24 May 1995 20:37:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 20:37:13 -0700 Message-Id: <950524203712_10534600@eWorld.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Void Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Within a message posted on Tue, May 23, 1995, Robert Haynie wrote: > Well, how about this... Obviously, the whole Coup adventure didn't >take place in a one hour space. Robotnik held King Acorn for a few >hours at Irongate, until he could open the Void there to transfer him >into it. Irongate, even unused, was (and is) a pretty secure place, >and was quite possibly used for holding many prisoners temporarily. IN >fact, it's quite likely that Robotnik performed all of his Void >experements at Irongate, it being an out of the way place that was >easily secured. While there, King Acorn managed to hide the few things >he could-- perhaps even escaped for a few moments, only to be >recaptured and exiled into the Void. That work for anyone? I like this theory, but I think that I see a potential hole. Robotnik's Void portal room, which was shown in "Blast to the Past" and "The Void," (w/ the cool hieroglyphics) should be nearby; somewhere in Robotropolis where he could power it easily and feel most secure. (Note: Snively still has hair in the "The Void" flashback, so it logicaly would take place before Sonic came into the picture, (Sonic blows past-Snively's hair off - "Blast to the Past") so Robotnik has no reason to doubt his own security, yet.) IMHO, of course. Brian J. Irish - BJIrish@eworld.com "Jelly and jam time!" - Sonic Hedghog From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 03:59:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA27526 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:35:50 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA27521 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 03:35:48 -0400 Received: from fermat.math.hawaii.edu by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA09469; Wed, 24 May 95 21:35:46 HST Date: Wed, 24 May 95 21:35:46 HST Message-Id: <9505250735.AA09469@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@sard.mv.net From: higa@math.hawaii.edu (Jonathan Higa) Subject: wanted: character descriptions Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I would like to have descriptions of the characters in the Sonic TV series. I have tried to obtain either FAQ on my own, to no avail. If what I seek is listed there, please send me the appropriate FAQ. Do^mo arigato^ gozaimasu. -- Jonathan Higa, higa@math.hawaii.edu From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 08:59:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28701 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:43:20 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28696 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:43:09 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23170; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:43:02 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA17682; Thu, 25 May 1995 08:43:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9505251243.AA17682@edmund> Subject: FAQ changes coming (was: Re: Wanted: Character desc.) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 08:43:00 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9505250735.AA09469@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> from "Jonathan Higa" at May 24, 95 09:35:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > I would like to have descriptions of the characters in the Sonic TV series. > I have tried to obtain either FAQ on my own, to no avail. If what I seek is > listed there, please send me the appropriate FAQ. > > Do^mo arigato^ gozaimasu. > -- > Jonathan Higa, higa@math.hawaii.edu > Jon: This might be a good time to mention this: the FAQ File, by suggestion, is undergoing some revision. Having achieved a considerable bulk, it looks like I'm going to have to post it in fragments. I'll do so starting June 2; for the moment, I have to deal with work and the final exam in Aramaic this week. Specifically, no, my FAQ doesn't contain character descriptions, though a very comprehensive Sonic description was posted here recently based on a character development guide. Someone indicated that they'd be working on similar descriptions for other characters; my advice is to "Watch This Space." ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 14:36:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA03451 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:59:25 -0400 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA03445; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:59:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: ftp site address. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net hff.mv.com seems to be recognized by the world now. and all files are in the /pub/sonic directory. if for some reason it won't resolve the address, use 192.80.84.246 enjoy! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 15:59:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA05205 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:38:37 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA05198 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 15:38:34 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26372; Thu, 25 May 95 15:43:46 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39848W Thu, 25 May 1995 19:34:25 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: The Void Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:16:57 GMT Message-Id: <95052515342536152@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: BJIrish@eworld.com -> To: sard.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 20:37:13 -0700 -> Subject: Re: The Void -> -> Within a message posted on Tue, May 23, 1995, Robert Haynie wrote: -> -> > Well, how about this... Obviously, the whole Coup adventure didn -> >take place in a one hour space. Robotnik held King Acorn for a few -> >hours at Irongate, until he could open the Void there to transfer hi -> >into it. Irongate, even unused, was (and is) a pretty secure place, -> >and was quite possibly used for holding many prisoners temporarily. -> >fact, it's quite likely that Robotnik performed all of his Void -> >experements at Irongate, it being an out of the way place that was -> >easily secured. While there, King Acorn managed to hide the few thi -> >he could-- perhaps even escaped for a few moments, only to be -> >recaptured and exiled into the Void. That work for anyone? -> -> I like this theory, but I think that I see a potential hole. Robotnik -> portal room, which was shown in "Blast to the Past" and "The Void," ( -> cool hieroglyphics) should be nearby; somewhere in Robotropolis where -> could power it easily and feel most secure. (Note: Snively still has -> the "The Void" flashback, so it logicaly would take place before Soni -> into the picture, (Sonic blows past-Snively's hair off - "Blast to th -> so Robotnik has no reason to doubt his own security, yet.) IMHO, of c -> -> Brian J. Irish - BJIrish@eworld.com -> "Jelly and jam time!" - Sonic Hedghog Well, maybe, but again, teh Void is a dangerous place. Robotnik might have planned it far away from his base so as to keep things safe. Also, since he planned to betray Naugas, he may have wanted to keep the fact of the void's existance as secret as possible, and where better than the abandoned Irongate? Besides, if Naugas should escape, Ol' round guy would NOT want him to do that anywhere near his center of power... From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 22:02:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA09341 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:36:56 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA09336 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:36:54 -0400 Received: from getns2.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.56]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA25838 for ; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:36:52 -0400 Received: from crypt.erie.ge.com by getns1.erie.ge.com with SMTP; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csp189.ge.com by crypt.erie.ge.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA20626; Thu, 25 May 1995 21:36:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:36:49 -0400 From: bauerle@crypt.erie.ge.com (Ron Bauerle) Message-Id: <9505260136.AA20626@crypt.erie.ge.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: DIC question content-length: 298 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a.f.sh, In article <3pq1ll$7b6@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, benny7dude@aol.com (Benny7dude) writes: >Hate to take away the fun of conspiracy theories, but from what we've been >told here at the Archie offices, the simple fact was that Sonic got >pummeled in the ratings by Fox's "Power Rangers." From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 12:59:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA16871 for sonic-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:38:41 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA16866 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:38:38 -0400 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA04422 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 12:38:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 12:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@sard.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <950526123835.10314@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: DIC question Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net >From: wgraham@freenet.calgary.ab.ca >Hi Ron, it looks like your last message to the SONIC mailing list escaped >from your clutches too soon! Maybe you could try again? > In a.f.sh, > > In article <3pq1ll$7b6@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, > benny7dude@aol.com (Benny7dude) writes: > >Hate to take away the fun of conspiracy theories, but from what we've been > >told here at the Archie offices, the simple fact was that Sonic got > >pummeled in the ratings by Fox's "Power Rangers." Well, I mainly forwarded it on for informational purposes, but if you want a comment, here it is: So what _wouldn't_ get clobbered by the Mighty Moronic Radar Ranges? Does ABC actually think that StH's replacement will do any better? I'll bet that whatever it is, it won't generate a comic, a mailing list, _and_ a Usenet newsgroup... Ron From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 13:59:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA17889 for sonic-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:27 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA17882 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:18 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12644; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:14 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA16891; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9505261752.AA16891@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ Restructured (2/3) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net NOTICE: The fact that episode and story summaries appear here means there is a good chance that you will encounter spoilers. This is your only notice! II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE 1. First Season: 1993-94 Super Sonic Writer: Jules Dennis When Nicole malfunctions, Sonic and Sally go to Robotropolis to get replacement parts. While there, they discover the Forbidden Zone and a being named Lezar. Lezar causes Sonic to lose his speed abilities, and teaches him that he can still accomplish things without it. Sonic Boom Writer: Len Janson While on a mission in Robotropolis, Sally intercepts a message which includes the use of her father's pet name for her. They follow the lead to the Dark Swamp and the remains of Ironlock Prison. In the process, a freedom fighter named Cat is captured. The freedom fighters gain maps to Robotropolis, but the search for Sally's father proves futile. Sonic and Sally Writers: Pat Allee and Ben Hurst Before becoming the principle writers for the second season, Allee and Hurst wrote this account of Sally's capture by Robotnik's forces. Sonic rescues what he thinks is Sally but what is instead a robot double. Back in Knothole, Tails begins to doubt Sally's behavior because of small details, such as how she reads a bedtime story. After first dismissing Tails' fears, Sonic also comes to realizes he's been dealing with a "Stepford Sally." Hooked on Sonics Writer: Randy Rogel In an attempt to impress Sally, Antoine tries to capture Robotnik by himself. He attempts to lure Robotnik into the open with the offer of a power ring, but Antoine is himself captured and Sonic has to rescue him. Ultra Sonic Writer: David Villaire While on a raid in Robotropolis, Sonic finds his Uncle Chuck as a robot worker in a crystal mine. Uncle Chuck recovers his mind and will long enough to help destroy a giant crystal which would have damaged the ecosystem of the entire planet. As Uncle Chuck loses control of his will, Sonic vows to return for him. Sonic's Nightmare Writer: Frank Santopadre The freedom fighters are captured and held on a deserted island refinery. Sonic must not only rescue them but he also has to deal with a recurring nightmare where he unable to prevent Sally's being roboticized. Warp Sonic Writer: Matt Uitz The freedom fighters discover an underground civilization called Lower Mobius and one of its citizens, Griff. Lower Mobius draws energy from a power crystal, but it is weakening. Feigning friendship, Griff visits Knothole and steals the power stone which is the source of the power rings. After fighting off some mechanical rats, the power stone is retrieved. Griff apologizes for his theft and is given a portion of the stone to aid Lower Mobius. Harmonic Sonic Writer: David Villaire After Robotnik launches a robot-manned orbiting space station to locate Knothole, the Knothole freedom fighters use a rocket booster to reach and destroy it. Sonic and the Secret Scrolls Writer: Janis Diamond The freedom fighters journey to Mauga (sp?) to recover some legendary scrolls, but Robotnik is tailing them. Robotnik's ship is hurled off a plateau by a violent wind, and the Knothole gang mistakenly believe he is finished. Will they make the same mistake at the end of the second season? Sub-Sonic Writer: Barbara Slade Sonic discovers a stream of water that makes plants grow at a fantastic rate. In their search for the source, the Knothole gang discover a subterranean creature whose habitat has been disturbed by Robotnik's drilling operations. Heads or Tails Writer: Len Janson On a raid of Robotropolis, Sonic runs into Muttski, his now- roboticized pet dog and vows to return him to normal someday. The freedom fighters also have to contend with a squadron of Buzzbombers carrying an orange defoliant [Agent Orange? Hmmmm...] intent on destroying the Great Forest and exposing Knothole. Artwork in this ep is decidedly off-model. Sonic Past Cool Writers: Kayte Kuch & Sheryl Scarborough Tails finds a baby terrapod and the freedom fighters escort the terrapod herd to Boulder Bay, where they will be safe from Robotnik. Sonic Racer Writer: Len Janson While on a mission to disable Robotnik's power generators, Sonic is tempted into participating in a contest against a super-fast robot designed to capture him. While he engages the bot, Bunnie, Sally and Antoine go after their target: Robotnik's back-up generator. 2. Second Season: 1994-95 Game Guy Sonic rescues someone from capture by Robotnik; he turns out to be Ari, a freedom fighter from another group. Ari directs Sonic to a place which turns out to be a trap. Sonic manages to escape (after Robotnik toys with him), but Ari--whose comrades were roboticized and who was himself deceived by Robotnik--is sucked into the Void. Before falling into the Void, Ari says something about a list of other freedom fighters. Sonic Conversion To my way of thinking, THE breakthrough episode for the series! The Knothole gang test a deroboticizing process on Bunnie, whose partially-roboticized body is returned to normal. Sonic then goes after Uncle Chuck and is able to convince him to undergo the process. However, the process turns out to be only temporary as, in a poignant scene, Bunnie reverts to a half-robot. When Uncle Chuck reverts to robotic form, he captures Tails and Antoine for delivery to Robotnik; Sonic confronts him and manages to break the hold on Uncle Chuck's mind. Uncle Chuck returns to Robotropolis to work as a spy for the Knothole gang. No Brainer Sonic's thought processes are temporarily scrambled while on a mission in Robotropolis. Taking advantage of the situation, Snively convinces Sonic that they are friends. The disruption wears off just as the Knothole gang face imminent capture. Blast to the Past (two parts) Dulcy takes Sonic and Sally to a floating island where they use the Time Stones to return to Mobotropolis on the eve of the planet's conquest by Dr. Robotnik (then known as Julian, affiliated with the War Ministry and supposedly in charge of its dismantling). They also encounter themselves as 5-year-olds and learn that it was Sonic's Uncle Chuck who had perfected the roboticizer process in the first place, though Julian/Robotnik stole the process. Sally and Sonic work to keep their child selves from being roboticized, to prevent the Great Forest from being destroyed, and to make sure that Sally's nanny, Rosie, would not get captured. Fed Up With Antoine/Ghost Busted (back to back episodes) Feeling unappreciated, Antoine allows himself to be made "king" by a group of renegades, unaware that with the office comes the "honor" of being an entree./While out camping, Sonic's ghost story panics Tails, and Antoine once more demonstrates his ineptitude. Dulcy Dulcy begins having overpowering urges to fly to Dragonsnest, a nesting site for female dragons. She, Sonic and Sally, arrive just as Robotnik has captured another female dragon; they then discover the dragon's egg inside Dragonsnest. Taking the egg back to Knothole, they rescue the female dragon who returns in time to hatch the egg. The Void Sonic discovers an opening to the Void while out in the "Great Unknown" [another name for the Forbidden Zone?]. Sally and Bunnie are put under a spell and pulled into the Void by a sorcerer named Naugus, who had been imprisoned there years before by Robotnik and who needs Sonic's speed to escape. Sonic learns what has happened from Nicole and allows himself to be pulled into the Void. Attempting to rescue Sally and Bunnie, he is tricked into rescuing what he thinks is Sally's father but is really Naugus. Sonic returns to the Void and finds not only Sally and Bunnie but the King and Ari as well. He brings them all out, but Naugus and the King have spent so much time in the Void that their bodies cannot handle living on Mobius. Naugus breaks off his tormenting of Robotnik, and Sally's father gives her the list of other resistance groups. On the whole, Sally goes through the emotional rollercoaster ride of her life. The Odd Couple/Ro-Becca (back to back episodes) After a crash landing by Dulcy leaves Sonic homeless he moves in with Antoine, who predictably gets bent out of shape by Sonic's lifestyle./Rotor cobbles together a robot which develops the hots for Antoine. Cry of the Wolf The Knothole freedom fighters search for and discover the Wolf Pack, the remnants of an ancient race who are now one of the other resistance groups. After several unsuccessful attempts to destroy a test pod from the Doomsday Project, Sonic draws it into a lightning storm and destroys it. Drood Henge Sonic and Tails discover an archaeological dig by Robotnik; they learn from Nicole that the object of the search is the Deep Power Stones, and that Robotnik has recovered one of the two. Tails comes up with a plan to retrieve the second stone before Robotnik can get to it. Spyhog On the eve of final preparations of the Doomsday project, Robotnik begins to suspect that there is a spy in his midst. Uncle Chuck's cover is blown, but he escapes capture and goes back underground with a different cover. Doomsday In the season finale, a combined force of the five freedom fighter groups tries to destroy the Doomsday project. Robotnik, however, seems to have too many safeguards built in. As a last resort, Sonic and Sally use the Deep Power Stones. The Doomsday project is destroyed; Robotnik's fate is uncertain but Snively is ready to step into his shoes in a burst of megalomania and overacting. Cliffhanger: who or what does Snively have to help him? We'll never know: ABC chose not to run StH for a third season. VOICE CREDITS: SONIC: Jaleel White SALLY: Kath Soucie NICOLE: Kath Soucie (uncredited) TAILS: Bradley Pierce BUNNIE: Christine Cavanaugh ANTOINE: Rob Paulsen ROTOR: Mark Ballou (1st season) Cam Brainard (2d season) DULCY: Cree Summer Franks UNCLE CHUCK: William Windom ROBOTNIK: Jim Cummings SNIVELY: Charlie Adler ADDITIONAL VOICES: (First season): David Doyle Gaille Heindenmann Dana Hill Danny Mann Jason Marsden Charlie Schlatter Frank Welker (Second season): Shari Belafonte: Lupee (?) Michael Bell: Naugus (?) Crystal Cooke Tim Curry: Sally's father; Keeper of the Time Stones Dave Fennoy Dorian Harewood John Kassir Katie Leigh Nancy Linari Victor Love Tahj Mowry Hal Rayle Alaina Reed Hall Lindsay Ridgeway April Winchell Want to contact DiC? Write or phone: DiC 303 North Glenoaks Blvd. Burbank, CA 91502 (818) 955-5400 (818) 955-5696 (FAX) From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 14:10:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA17873 for sonic-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:51:54 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA17859 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:51:43 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12619; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:51:33 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA16720; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:51:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9505261751.AA16720@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ Restructured (1/3) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:51:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ - //|\__/ \\ ___- \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ ascii Sonic by Han J. Lee |====================== THE SONIC FAQ FILE =====================| May 26, 1995 edition Compiled by: Daniel J. Drazen Contributors: Ron Bauerle, Brad Clark, James Firmiss, Maureen Furniss, Craig Moore, Michiyo Nakajima, Paula O'Keefe, Eric E. Pearson, Jeff Pegnato, David Pistone, Alessandro Sanasi, Erich Schulman, Fred Sloniker, Andy White, Shawn Wolski Address all comments, corrections, contributions and flames to: drazen@andrews.edu ***************************************************************** WHAT'S NEW?: [Note: There WILL be spoilers. You have been warned. DJD] Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: There are now three answers to this question -- one appears to be definitive, but the other two are more fun. Believe what you like: 1) ABC got clobbered in the SatAM ratings because the show was up against the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox. This sounds plausible, except that between the November and February sweeps, ABC actually moved StH to the 8:00 am Eastern slot, which would have put it opposite "Dog City" on Fox...at least, until the next time Fox jazzed with ITS lineup. I remember posting a TAPE ALERT and that several fans didn't get to tape the first showing of the Doomsday episode as a result of the time switch. Source for this item: someone from within the offices of Archie Comics. 2) DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. 3) ABC's kidvid programming has lately been adhering to a policy of "two seasons and out" for shows. Though it's possible that some ideas only last two seasons because they're kinda bankrupt to begin with. Sonic & Knuckles 48 page special (based on summaries by James Firmiss) "Panic in the Sky!" The Mobians living on the western shore of "the Great Continent" [you'd think that Mobians would have come up with another adjective besides "Great": viz.: the Great Forest, the Great Swamp, the Great Unknown, etc. See also the "all-purpose" use of the word _hriar_, or "thousands" by rabbits in Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. But I digress....] are alarmed by the approach of a floating island. Sally and the gang realize that the island is on course for Knothole; Sonic explains to the group (for the first time!?) that he and Tails were on the island a while back and met Knuckles. Antoine flies Sonic and Tails in the turboprop, dodging antiaircraft fire from the underside of the island. After landing on the island, seeing giant mushrooms and avoiding some traps, Sonic falls into one trap and again meets Knuckles. Since this is the second time Sonic has been caught trespassing, Knuckles is about to send him over the edge of the island. Tails tries dropping a rock on Knuckles from above to avoid this from happening, but it ends up that Tails has to rescue both Sonic and Knuckles by airlifting them to safety. It appears that Robotnik is "hijacking" the island by somehow draining the energy from the Chaos Emerald which keeps the island afloat. Already having established a presence on the island, Robotnik has installed weapons on the underside and plans to use the island as a flying fortress to attack Knothole. Knuckles won't allow the island to be used this way; he smashes the Chaos Emerald. With the island losing altitude, Robotnik abandons it, expecting that it'll still smash into Knothole (though how he suddenly knows of Knothole's location is unclear). But Knuckles replaces the "real" Chaos Emerald just in time--I'd tell you how he switched it with a phony one which was the one he broke, but I don't understand it either. Knuckles turns down an invitation to join the Knothole gang; part of his stewardship of the island now involves disarming it since Robotnik is gone. "Fire Drill" Knuckles investigates an explosion on the island, suspecting that it's Sonic. Catching just a glimpse of an intruder, he follows him to places unfamiliar even to him(!). As the trail leads off the edge of the island, he still thinks it's Sonic; however, we catch a glimpse of a shadowy presence still on the island. Could be a Chaotix character, could be Nack the Weasel, who knows? "Lord of the Floating Island" While patrolling the island on a windy day, he spots a lost joey (baby kangaroo) names Bengy. The kid asks Knuckles to bring back the sky; Knuckles explains that there's an eclipse in progress and that's what's causing the winds. They avoid a pack of (biped) dingoes as Knuckles goes into further exposition about the island--how it's a paradise which some parties (Sonic and Robotnik) want to change. They eventually find Bengy's mom. Knuckles' exit line: "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" The entire story appears to exist to supply needed exposition and to nudge Knuckles closer to the Good Guy category. No SonicGrams, but announcements: Sonic #25 will have a silver ink cover and feature Mecha Sonic; dated August '95. Also slated for that month: a Sonic Triple Trouble 48-page special featuring Nack the Weasel; it will also include a Sonic v. Knuckles story, a Knuckles solo story, and a Tails solo story. Another 48-page special -- Knuckles Chaotix -- is schedules for November '95. Solo Knuckles stories will appear in Sonics #31-33 (Feb-Apr '96) and a Knuckles 3-parter will begin Jan '96. #25 "Go Ahead...Mecha My Day" (the only story in this issue) Story: Mike Gallagher Art: Pat Spaziante based on summary by James Firmiss In a bow to the CD game, the story focuses on the freedom fighters' discovery of the Collision Chaos Zone, a "zone portal." Robotnik tries to lure Sonic into the zome portal by kidnapping his #1 fan: Amy Rose, the pink hedgehog (remember her?). Tails investigates from the air and is captured instead. To rescue both Amy and Tails, Sonic must race through the new zones and do battle with Robotnik's Mecha-Sonic. Still no SonicGrams; another repeat announcement of the Triple Trouble and Chaotix specials, as well as the Knuckles and Tails miniseries. Also staff artwork. **************************************************************** I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS II. SOURCE DESCRIPTIONS A. SONIC THE HEDGEHOG EPISODE GUIDE B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS C. OTHER SOURCES I. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ============================= Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. Q5: "Sally Acorn?" Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? ================================================================ Q1: How did Tails come to have two tails? A: The writers of Sonic comics solicited reader responses to this in issue #___; the replies were printed in issue #___. They range from transplantation to mutation. The latest entry is in the Sonicgram of #22. They state that Tails just happened to be born that way--with no other comment (thus illustrating the difference between an Explanation and an Answer). At this point, there is no "official" explanation as to how Tails got that way, so you're pretty much free to believe what you like. Personally, I prefer the theory that it is a mutation, induced by Robotnik's pollution of Mobius. This would accord with the fact that Tails had not been born when Robotnik took over (cf. Q6). Q2: Is "Tails" his real name? A: No, his real name is "Miles Prower" (you have to say it sorta fast to get the joke). That was his name when he was introduced on the front screen of the Sonic 2 video game. Tails was given as his nickname, and it stuck. Q3: Is Tails related to Sally? He calls her "Aunt Sally" quite often. A:This argument has been put forward by the "Sally is a fox" camp (see below). However, if that were true, then he'd also be related to Bunnie, as he's been known to address her as "Aunt Bunnie." For that matter, it seems that everyone in the Knothole gang refers to Sir Charles Hedgehog as "Uncle Chuck," though he's technically only uncle to Sonic. While it was not explicitly stated in either the comics or in the cartoons, it has to be kept in mind that all of the freedom fighters' families were disrupted by Robotnik's takeover of Mobius. It's safe to assume that they all have had relatives who have ended up being roboticized. As a result, they have become not so much a paramilitary resistance group as a loose-knit family. Sonic, for instance, clearly relates to Tails as if the latter was his little brother, the difference in species notwithstanding. Q4: I can't figure out what kinds of animals some of the characters are supposed to be. A: Admittedly, it's trickier to spot some species in the series than others. Herewith is the list: Sonic and Sir Charles. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .hedgehogs Bunnie . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rabbit Tails. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Rotor. . . . . . . . . . . . . .walrus (sea lion, cf. Teitelbaum) Antoine D'Coolette . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox Sally Acorn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ground squirrel/chipmunk Sally's father . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .fox The identification of Sally as a ground squirrel is based on extended discussion of the topic on Internet {alt.fan.furry and rec.arts.animation). She was also declared to be a ground squirrel in the comics, most recently in the Sonicgram of Sonic #19. As for the designation "ground squirrel/chipmunk", which has been questioned by at least one correspondent, I entered it this way on the assumption that the two terms were synonymous. I have consulted a dictionary, which states that the term "ground squirrel" applies to several kinds of rodents, including the chipmunk genus _Tamias_. Given the present ambiguity, the designation will remain as is. Despite this, controversy continues. Identifying Sally's species has been particularly vexing to some fans, especially those who reason that since Sally's father is clearly a fox, then she must be one herself. It is possible that Sally takes after her mother in this regard more than her father. Cross-species mating is a definite possibility, and an example is implied in the "flashforward" at the end of "Sally's Crusade" [Sonic: In Your Face #1]. At this point, the identification of Sally's nanny, Rosie, remains ambiguous. Given her buck teeth, she could be either a beaver or a woodchuck. Since she is always shown wearing a long cloak, I've been unable to spot the character beaver tail. Final identification is still pending. Q5: "Sally Acorn"? A: This is how she was identified as far back as the beginning of the comics [Sonic Miniseries, #0, Mar 1993]. Technically, royalty do not have surnames or family names in the accepted sense; rather, the title of the personage tends to serve the purpose. Her middle name, Alicia, is apparently seldom used (cf. "Blast to the Past," part 1). If you wanted to be grandiose about it, Sally's formal title would be: Sally Alicia, Princess of the House of Acorn. But in any event it's unlikely that Sally's formal title will come back into use so long as Robotnik is in charge. Q6: How old are the characters supposed to be? A: According to the TV series ["Blast to the Past: part 1"] Sonic and Sally were both 5 years old when Sally's father was overthrown and Robotnik took over. Two other age clues were given in the "Drood Henge" episode: that Tails was 10 years old, and that Sally wouldn't "come of age" for another two years. At one point, Sally's age is explicitly given as being 16, though the comics reportedly put both at age 15. Subtracting 5 from 16 leaves the number of years Robotnik has been in charge: 11. Thus, it would appear that Tails was born after the fall of the House of Acorn. Still, the simplest way out of this dilemma would be to put the age of majority on Mobius at 17 instead of 18; that would eliminate the extra year differential without altering the stated ages of Sonic and Sally (in the comics) or of Tails (in "Drood Henge"). Q7: What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? A: Archie Comics was supposed to roll out a three-part miniseries starring Sally as the main character. The story actually began with "Deadliest of the Species" in Sonic #20. The cover art for the miniseries, however, differed in subsequent advertisements: one cover for the first issue prominently featured Geoffrey St. John, while another did not. The third issue cover either does or doesn't feature Sally doing battle with a clone of herself, depending upon where you see it. Two different versions of the cover for #2 appeared in Sonic #22. The fact that the Sally creative team PLUS Archie Comics PLUS Sega reportedly came together to discuss "improving" the series (as reported in the Sonicgram for Sonic #21) would seem to indicate that someone had come down with a case of "creative differences." In any event, the "improved" Sally miniseries began shipping the week of Feb 13. Q8: Does anyone have a theory about Sonic's speed? A: How, in other words, is Sonic able to run so fast? Apparently the same way you get to Carnegie Hall in the old joke: practice. I'm serious; here is the only print explanation I've come across so far: "Years ago, when things were right on Mobius, there lived a hedgehog named Sonic.... Sonic was only interested in running as fast as he could. Every day he practiced." [Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_. Mahwah, NJ: Troll, 1993, pp.7- 8]. And that's the extent of Teitelbaum's explanation. Thanks a heap, Mike! Q9: Why didn't ABC renew Sonic for a third season? A: There are now three answers to this question -- one appears to be definitive, but the other two are more fun. Believe what you like: 1) ABC got clobbered in the SatAM ratings because the show was up against the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox. This sounds plausible, except that between the November and February sweeps, ABC actually moved StH to the 8:00 am Eastern slot, which would have put it opposite "Dog City" on Fox...at least, until the next time Fox jazzed with ITS lineup. I remember posting a TAPE ALERT and that several fans didn't get to tape the first showing of the Doomsday episode as a result of the time switch. Source for this item: someone from within the offices of Archie Comics, as posted to alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. 2) DiC allegedly screwed the pooch by releasing StH animation cels onto the market without clearing it with Sega. Upon learning of this, Sega took umbrage that its property was being sold without its consent or agreement to a cut of the action (can you say "anal retentive"?). Words were exchanged and the show was effectively cancelled. 3) ABC's kidvid programming has lately been adhering to a policy of "two seasons and out" for shows. Though it's possible that some ideas only last two seasons because they're kinda bankrupt to begin with. ================================================================= From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 14:21:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA17902 for sonic-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:53:11 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA17896 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:57 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12651; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:53 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA17048; Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9505261752.AA17048@edmund> Subject: Sonic FAQ Restructured (3/3) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:52:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net B. SONIC COMICS DESCRIPTIONS [CONTRIBUTIONS WELCOME] Now, direct from the Great White North, Brad Clark summarizes the original Sonic miniseries: Issue 0 "Don't Cry For Me, Mobius" Story: Michael Gallagher, Art: Scott Shaw! Sonic is chased by Dr. Robotnik. After the chase, which Robotnik loses, Sonic returns to Knothole where most of the main characters are introduced for the first time. (Note: Rotor is referred to as "Boomer.") Antoine then announces that there is a leak in Knothole (Knothole is located underground in this issue) that is caused by Robotnik. Sonic defeats Robotnik with a power ring. "The Royal Family of Mobius" Takes place before Robotnik was in power and has Sonic and Uncle Chuck running a chilidog take-out stand. Robotnik destroys the stand and captures Muttski and Uncle Chuck. Sonic meets Sally (with yellow hair and red fur) who introduces him to the rest of the freedom fighters in Knothole. Issue 1 "Run, Sally, Run" Story and art: Gallagher & Shaw! Sally [this time with pink fur and black hair] goes to see Robotnik about the return of her father. Robotnik captures Sally and almost throws her into the "Robo-machine." Sonic rescues Sally only to discover that Sally had wanted to get caught in order to gather information on the roboticizer, using some special boots designed by Boomer/Rotor. Issue 2 "A Crowning Achievement" Gallagher & Shaw! again. Sally decides to wear the "Crown of the Acorn Kings" which belonged to her father, but the crown is missing. They discover a robotic freedom fighter who tells them that Robotnik has stolen the crown and has scattered its jewels (the four Chaos Emeralds) throughout the land. Sonic retrieves the emeralds and Boomer/Rotor repairs the crown. Issue 3 "Sonic Flashback" Gallagher & Shaw! Sonic and Robotnik recall when they were kids. Uncle Chuck invents the power rings. Sonic and Robotnik have an argument, and it escalates until Robotnik is constructing mechanical monsters out of Uncle Chuck's appliances. Sonic then wakes up -- it was all just a daydream -- and resumes being chased by Robotnik. "Why Ask Spy" Sonic is made to look like a robot to trick Robotnik and to destroy one of his factories. In the process, Sonic discovers Uncle Chuck and Muttski who have both been roboticized. Sonic destroys the factory. #18 [Jan 1995]: "Wedding Bell Blues" Robotnik gets word of Sonic and Sally's impending wedding and plans an attack. "In the Still of the Night" While trying to determine the nature of the mysterious orb (cf. "First Star....", #17), Sally is called to the bedside of her old mentor, Julayla, just before she dies. Sonicgram: includes statement that Sonic is 15, and a German fan disses Dave Manak's artwork Sonic: In Your Face #1 [1995] "Sally's Crusade: The Quest" The orb is revealed to be a casing surrounding Nicole. Sally, with the others in tow, searches for what turns out to be Julayla's last testament. The significance of this document is spelled out in a "flashforward" at the end of the story. "Mirror Zone" An excuse to practice backwards lettering. Sonicgram: Sally's age is given as "about 15." [Note, if you're going to guess a lady's age, guess on the low side ;-) ] "Tails' Tallest Tale" Tails substitutes for Sonic, putting in an appearance at a con. His exaggerations almost get him into trouble. Artwork by Shaw!. #19 [Feb 1995]: "Night of a Thousand Sonics" In order to defeat Robotnik's latest scheme, Sonic has to call in as many versions of himself from as many parallel universes as he can. Artwork by Manak for the first half, Mawhinney for the second. Sonicgram: The name of Sally's father is given as "King Acorn" (but see FAQ #5). Scott Fulop hedges on when Knuckles will make an appearance and whose side he'll be on. Again, Sally is identified as a "ground squirrel." Hint is dropped as to a Sonic motion picture in the works. #20 [Mar 1995]: "That's the Spirit" Exposure to an antimatter explosion renders Sonic invisible; Sally and the others [Tails being the exception] believe he is dead. The comedic pacing and Manak's artwork mar what otherwise might have been a very poignant story. Great line (Sonic to Robotnik--who thinks he's dealing with a ghost): "Give Mobius back to the freedom fighters, lose weight and get a hairpiece!" "Deadliest of the Species" [Prologue to the Princess Sally miniseries] While on a sabotage mission, Sally is confronted by someone claiming to be part of a rebel underground. Sonicgram: Once again lists Sally's age as 15. #21 [Apr 1995]: "3 Phases of E.V.E" Pat Spaziante debuts as a story artist. Robotnik unleashes E.V.E. ["exceptionally versatile evolvoid"] to capture Sonic. As Sonic manages to outsmart E.V.E., it simply adapts to another form to compensate. Sonic lures it to Robotnik's headquarters where, assuming a self-conscious form, E.V.E. determines that it is being held back by its biological inheritance from Sonic and Robotnik [i.e., individual cells used in E.V.E.'s creation]. E.V.E. toasts Robotnik, but thanks to some quick thinking by Sonic--apparently, Sally's influence is rubbing off on him ;-) -- E.V.E. spares Sonic and travels out into space on a journey of self-actualization. Is Robotnik really history? That's the tease--stay tuned, probably until after the Sally miniseries. Sonicgram: announcement of the delay in rolling out the Sally miniseries; another special issue (48pp) due out in May. #22 [May 1995] "The Return," written by Ken Penders, art by Pat Spaziante & Harvey M. The story opens with Sonic & Sally MCW (Married with Children; cf. the end of "Sally's Quest" in _In Your Face #1_). Sonic & Sally are out with the kids when, during a lightning storm, an apparition of Robotnik appears and just as suddenly disappears. Have your pencils and scorecards ready to try and follow the remainder of the plot: Robotnik is actually on a satellite talking with Robo-Robotnik from "Night of a Thousand Sonics," (#19), only in this case only the consciousness of Robo-Robotnik (hereinafter "R-R") remains resident. Robotnik convinces R-R to teleport him back to Mobius, where it turns out Snively has activated an alternative Doomesday device which would go off if Robotnik was ever defeated. Robotnik actually deactivates "Operation Wasteland" himself to keep from being ruler over nothing and to have the pleasure of saying to Sonic: "You owe me!" Robotnik and Sonic MWC are declared to be at a stalemate. What about R-R? Who knows? Muddled story saved by Spaziante artwork. "Tails Knighttime Story," written by Angelo Decasare, art by Dave Manak & John Dagostino. As Tails grumps about "get[ting] baby-sat" while Sonic has all the fun and adventures, Sally tells him a bedtime story wherein Sonic is Sir Runalot and Tails is his page who "borrows" his armour one day and who, mistaken for the aforementioned knight, ends up doing battle with Sir Knightmare of Robotannia (guess who?) until the real Sir Runalot saves his...er...tails. Sonicgram: the comics should get a FAQ File, since two letters pepper them with questions (most are answered: "Keep reading." Translation: "we're working on it!"). The cover of Princess Sally #2 in an ad on the same page differs from one which appears on p. 17 of the same issue(!), thus bolstering the "creative differences" theory in Q7. #23 [Jun 1995] "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Sonic, Sally, Rotor, Tails, Robotnik and Snively are all captured by Car-Heem, a giant alien who wants to study them. In order to save Robotnik from "disposal," Sonic convinces Car-Heem that they are interdependent species, a novelty to the autonomous Car-Heem. Thanks to a diversion by Sonic, the others escape their confinement in a craft of Robotnik's design. Although Robotnik blows Car-Heem and Sonic out of Car-Heem's spacecraft's airlock, Rotor retrieves them. In gratitude, Car-Heem returns everyone to Mobius and Rotor, inspired, releases the inhabitants of his ant farm [Heavy Message]. There's also a really bad pun which I'm not going to reveal. Do-It-Yourself Sonic Contest winners announced. "Vol-ANT-teer" Story: Angelo Decesare; Art: Dave Manak Antoine ventures into Robotropolis alone to retrieve Tails' lost backpack with a power ring in it. Bunnie shadows him just in case. Surprising last panel gives the impression that Antoine isn't exactly clueless. Sonicgram: Further indication that Knuckles will put in an appearance in the next Sonic special, though no hint as to his allegiance; look for an appearance by Knack the Weasel [c.f., the Triple Trouble game] in the same issue. #24 [Jul 1995] "When Hedgehogs Collide" (in 4 parts) Script: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Dave Manak (Parts 1 and 2); Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski (Parts 3 and 4) Part 1 is taken up witnessing antisocial behavior on the part of Sonic, Sally, Tails, Antoine and Rotor. Part 2 is the exposition as to what's happening: Evil Sonic from "The Good, The Bad and the Hedgehog" [Sonic #11] (hereinafter referred to as "the Antisonic," as in "the Antichrist") is looking for some action, so he rounds up the "gang" consisting of the Antisally, the Antitails, the Antirotor and the Antiantoine. They take the Cosmic Interstate to Mobius, dress like their counterparts and begin doing some damage. So where have the Good Guys been all this time? Sonic, Tails and Antoine had been sent by Rotor into "negative reality" though they were unable to penetrate "the Zone of Silence" (aka, The Void) where Sally's father is being held. Sally's been out on a mission with the trainees (cf. the Sally miniseries). Everyone arrives back in time to incur the wrath of their fellow Mobians. In disguise, they come upon the gang about to terrorize some more Mobians. The first fight turns into a draw until Sally realizes that there's no way they can defeat their other selves, who would be able to anticipate their strategies. So it's "Change partners!" as play is resumed: Sonic punches out the Antisally (this frame alone is worth the price of admission!), Sally defeats the Antiantoine, Antoine stops the Antirotor, Rotor defeats the Antitails, and Tails gets the better of the Antisonic. Since the Antisonic got what he came to Mobius for (a fight), the gang agrees to return to their homeworld peacefully. I guess the ol' doppelganger plot device worked so well in Sonic #11 they decided to dust it off and run it past us again. A valiant effort marred by two Plot Holes and a Serious Omission: PH#1: If Sally could figure out that fighting themselves would get them nowhere, wouldn't the Antisally have reached the same conclusion? Then again they might have spent the entire issue second-guessing each other.... ;-) PH#2: On the homeworld of the Antisonic the SWATbots do all the work and "kindly ol' Robotnik is a grade-A wimp!" At least, according to an exposition by the Antisonic. This then leads us to... SO: Where's Bunnie? Despite a "Sonic + Bunnie" graffiti carved into the desk of the Antisonic [along with "Sonic + Sally," "Sonic + Nicole"--THAT I'd like to see!--and "Sonic + Sonic"], Bunnie's legion of fanboys will be disappointed to learn that she doesn't put in an appearance in this comic, either as Bunnie or as the Antibunnie. If indeed Robotnik is more benevolent on the Antisonic's homeworld, does that mean that Bunnie would be intact (i.e., not partially roboticized) there? Interesting question but one that Kanterovich and Penders conveniently sidestepped for the moment. SonicGram: information on two upcoming "special" issues: the 48-page Sonic & Knuckles special will include a solo Knuckles effort and a lead story involving Knuckles' floating island, and the "Silver Anniversary" issue #25 featuring Mecha Sonic from the CD game (artwork by Spaziante). There's a list of "Do-It- Yourself Sonic Contest" winners who have moved and left no forwarding address. Two fan letters to Knuckles, plus word that Tails will have his own miniseries coming out in the fall. Sonic & Knuckles 48 page special (based on summaries by James Firmiss) "Panic in the Sky!" The Mobians living on the western shore of "the Great Continent" [you'd think that Mobians would have come up with another adjective besides "Great": viz.: the Great Forest, the Great Swamp, the Great Unknown, etc. See also the "all-purpose" use of the word _hriar_, or "thousands" by rabbits in Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. But I digress....] are alarmed by the approach of a floating island. Sally and the gang realize that the island is on course for Knothole; Sonic explains to the group (for the first time!?) that he and Tails were on the island a while back and met Knuckles. Antoine flies Sonic and Tails in the turboprop, dodging antiaircraft fire from the underside of the island. After landing on the island, seeing giant mushrooms and avoiding some traps, Sonic falls into one trap and again meets Knuckles. Since this is the second time Sonic has been caught trespassing, Knuckles is about to send him over the edge of the island. Tails tries dropping a rock on Knuckles from above to avoid this from happening, but it ends up that Tails has to rescue both Sonic and Knuckles by airlifting them to safety. It appears that Robotnik is "hijacking" the island by somehow draining the energy from the Chaos Emerald which keeps the island afloat. Already having established a presence on the island, Robotnik has installed weapons on the underside and plans to use the island as a flying fortress to attack Knothole. Knuckles won't allow the island to be used this way; he smashes the Chaos Emerald. With the island losing altitude, Robotnik abandons it, expecting that it'll still smash into Knothole (though how he suddenly knows of Knothole's location is unclear). But Knuckles replaces the "real" Chaos Emerald just in time--I'd tell you how he switched it with a phony one which was the one he broke, but I don't understand it either. Knuckles turns down an invitation to join the Knothole gang; part of his stewardship of the island now involves disarming it since Robotnik is gone. "Fire Drill" Knuckles investigates an explosion on the island, suspecting that it's Sonic. Catching just a glimpse of an intruder, he follows him to places unfamiliar even to him(!). As the trail leads off the edge of the island, he still thinks it's Sonic; however, we catch a glimpse of a shadowy presence still on the island. Could be a Chaotix character, could be Nack the Weasel, who knows? "Lord of the Floating Island" While patrolling the island on a windy day, he spots a lost joey (baby kangaroo) names Bengy. The kid asks Knuckles to bring back the sky; Knuckles explains that there's an eclipse in progress and that's what's causing the winds. They avoid a pack of (biped) dingoes as Knuckles goes into further exposition about the island-- how it's a paradise which some parties (Sonic and Robotnik) want to change. They eventually find Bengy's mom. Knuckles' exit line: "This is my island! And I live to protect and serve!" The entire story appears to exist to supply needed exposition and to nudge Knuckles closer to the Good Guy category. No SonicGrams, but announcements: Sonic #25 will have a silver ink cover and feature Mecha Sonic; dated August '95. Also slated for that month: a Sonic Triple Trouble 48-page special featuring Nack the Weasel; it will also include a Sonic v. Knuckles story, a Knuckles solo story, and a Tails solo story. Another 48-page special -- Knuckles Chaotix -- is schedules for November '95. Solo Knuckles stories will appear in Sonics #31-33 (Feb-Apr '96) and a Knuckles 3-parter will begin Jan '96. #25 "Go Ahead...Mecha My Day" (the only story in this issue) Story: Mike Gallagher Art: Pat Spaziante based on summary by James Firmiss In a bow to the CD game, the story focuses on the freedom fighters' discovery of the Collision Chaos Zone, a "zone portal." Robotnik tries to lure Sonic into the zome portal by kidnapping his #1 fan: Amy Rose, the pink hedgehog (remember her?). Tails investigates from the air and is captured instead. To rescue both Amy and Tails, Sonic must race through the new zones and do battle with Robotnik's Mecha-Sonic. Still no SonicGrams; another repeat announcement of the Triple Trouble and Chaotix specials, as well as the Knuckles and Tails miniseries. Also staff artwork. Princess Sally Mini-series #1 [April 1995] Summary by Ron Bauerle "Deadliest of the Species!" written by Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders, art by Art Mawhinney & Rich Koslowski. Opens with a nice splash page summarizing the struggle so far and describes the main characters (get this: "Antoine is renouned for his military skills" - okayyyy...). Next it recaps Sally's meeting Geoffrey St. John...in StH #20. Sally & Geoffrey are attacked by SWATbots after destroying the facility and manage to beat them off [hey, Ron, let's leave their private lives out of this ;-) ] and exchange some banter in the process (I can't call it friendly but it's not really sarcastic either). They then head back to the camp where some young trainee freedom fighters are waiting for Sally. Geoffrey mistakes them for enemies and jumps a pig (Hamlin) but they're separated by Sally. This establishes some bad blood between Hamlin and Geoffrey that continues all issue. The team proceeds to its next target (an energy substation) and after battling SWATbots and ORBbots manage to destroy it. During the battle Geoffrey saves Hamlin's life but Hamlin still doesn't trust him. That night, when everyone else is asleep, Geoffrey slips away, activates a teleportal, enters some kind of building and descends to its basement where he speaks to a figure in a glass case: Sally!? Also some fan art: two pics of Sally & Bunnie (both NBD), and one of Sally as a dominatrix (!). Princess Sally Miniseries #2 (Summary by Erich Schulman): The story opens with a fight between St. John and Hamlin, and Sally gives Hamlin a scolding. To reach the third, undestroyed substation, the freedom fighters use a new (!?) technology: hang gliders. Arlo's hang glider is hit by the defenses and he is wounded in action; Penelope volunteers to stay with him. Once inside, Sally and St. John are attacked by an octopod, and everyone barely manages to escape the explosions. Upon leaving, they find that Sally and Penelope are gone. Sally says they will return to camp without them (to which Hamlin is opposed), and they never show up again. Did you have your doubts about St. John? That night, St. John replaces Sally with a lookalike robot and delivers the real Sally to Robotnik. Fan mail (singular; only one letter appears): Will Sonic and Sally marry? "Could be." Has Sally met Knuckles? She will in a forthcoming 48-page S&K special. Does Sally have a mother, and if so what does she look like? "Of course...her origin may yet be told." Or [shameless plug] you can read about it in "Bloodlines" in the fanfic section of Rotor's homepage. "Deadliest of the Species, Part III" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders Art: Art Mawhinney (Summary: James Firmiss) (Recap of parts 0, 1 and 2 omitted) Sally, Hamlin and Dylan are fighting their way into Robotropolis with paint guns and grenades (blinding SWATbots). Dylan believes that attacking at half strength isn't wise, yet they press on. Hamlin nearly falls from a collapsing catwalk but Sally rescues him. They eventually reach their objective, break down the doors and find...Robotnik, St. John and Sally (in the container). Hamlin believes Geoffrey to be a traitor so he jumps him. Sally breaks it up and says she and St. John are on the same side. Robotnic reveals that Sally is an auto-automaton, a perfect robot duplicate, and that there was no weakness in the defense system. His master plan is to replace key members of the freedom fighters--we see auto-automatons of Sonic and Tails being built. Robotnik also plans to roboticize the Sally delivered to him by St. John. Robotnik begins the roboticization process but the chamber blows up because a "feedback loop" has occurred. Something which is impossible unless...he were trying to roboticize a robot! The real Sally was with Dylan and Hamlin. Sally tries to 'arrest' Robotnik, but large StealthBots emerge from the walls and capture the freedom fighters. Note: you could see the outlines of the StealthBots 5 pages back. St. John pushes a button on a remote control and a vehicle burrows its way up through the floor. Out pop Penelope, Arlo and three "moles". They help free Sally, Dylan and Hamlin (more paint guns). Robotnik manages to activate a 30-second self-destruct and disappears down an escape chute. Sally and the others all head for the vehicle maintenance area and grab saucer-shaped air cars (from Hanger 18! X-P ) and get out with no time to spare. With everyone back at the base, Hamlin, Penelope, Arlo and Dylan are promoted to full-fledged freedom fighters. Sally tries to convince Geoffrey to come to Knothole but he declines in order to rejoin the Rebel Underground. He does engage Sally in some serious lip-locking before they part. If you're not confused yet, here's a run-down of the plot- twists, as Sally explains them at the end: The FIRST Sally switch occurred right at the beginning of Part 1 shortly after meeting St. John. St. John really was the leader of the "Rebel Underground" and acted as a double agent in order to gain Robotnik's trust and activate the robot double prematurely in order to find out what its plans were. It was the auto-automaton Sally that helped attack the 2d and 3d substations. It was such a good copy that it could give orders, make hard choices, and even grieve for missing comrades. But did you notice the two clues that would have tipped you off that this was an automated Sally: 1. "Auto" Sally wore a purple vest instead of a blue one. 2. "Auto" Sally referred to Geoffrey by his first name, while the real Sally always called him "Mr. St. John." The SECOND Sally switch occurred in Part II, when Robotnik (and the reader) was supposed to think that Sally was being replaced by a robot double. And what about Arlo and Penelope? They were taken away by the moles from the literal Rebel UNDERGROUND. The Rebel Underground was also supposed to be backup in case anything unexpected happened. "This is definitely one of the most complicated stories Archie's Sonic group has ever come up with. Congrats...." JF SallyGram: Horace Hawkins (14) wishes Sally a Happy Valentine's Day, and expresses the desire to be her boyfriend. LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! Scott Fulop (Editor) asks if there is interest in a MONTHLY Sally comic. If so, send a postcard with the following: Give me Princess Sally. Monthly. NOW!!! to: SallyGrams c/o Archie Comic Publishing 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 NOTES FROM THE NET: that's the heading suggested for comix- related posts to a.f.s-h by none other than Paul Castiglia of Archie Comics. Seems P.C. thinks that NftN would make a good subsection of the Sonic Grams, and said so in a recent post. The idea is that you can post to a.f.s-h, and your post (and e-mail address if you want) will be reprinted in NftN. But ONLY if you specify that it's for NftN. Apparently Archie Comics is still getting a feel for whether they should go ahead with the plan, so let's see some support for it! Hmmm, wonder if Sally's e-mail address is princess@frdmftrs.mobius.org ? COMIC PUBLISHERS: For subscriptions and back issues--US & Canada: Archie Comics 325 Fayette Avenue Mamaroneck, NY 10543 (914) 381-5155. $15.00/year US monthly $18.00/year CAN monthly For subscriptions and back issues--United Kingdom (Fleetway Editions comics): Sonic The Comic Subscription Dept. OR Back Issue Zone Aim Ltd. P.O. Box 10 Pallion Industrial Estate Sunderland, SR4 6SN UNITED KINGDOM 01144-91-5102290 L28.60 (=28 pounds, 60 pence)/year UK fortnightly L45.00/year Europe fortnightly L47.00/year Overseas surface mail fortnightly L55.00/year Overseas airmail fortnightly C. OTHER SOURCES Michael Teitelbaum, _Sonic the Hedgehog_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ (c)1994: Mahwah, New Jersey: Troll Associates. _Sonic the Hedgehog_ synopsis: Note: Any resemblance between this book and the original comics miniseries shouldn't be surprising; what IS surprising is how far from the TV series this is. Herewith, the "Cliff's Notes" description: Ch.1: At the beginning, Sonic is 7, Robotnik is 15, and both are staying with Uncle Chuck (you get some idea of how non-canonical this is going to get!). While Robotnik is only interested in gadgets, Sonic is only interested in running fast. While Uncle Chuck works on perfecting a power ring, Robotnik cannibalizes parts from Uncle Chuck's old tractor for a robot. When Uncle Chuck starts up the tractor, it goes out of control and heads for Robotnik. Ch. 2: Sonic interrupts a game of one-against-nine baseball to move the tractor which has pinned Robotnik and Uncle Chuck. He's able to move it with the power ring and he takes both Robotnik and Uncle Chuck to the hospital. Ch. 3: After being released from the hospital, Uncle Chuck and Robotnik return home. Robotnik's robot confesses to Uncle Chuck that he was put together with the stolen tractor parts, and Robotnik is grounded. Robotnik cobbles together another robot from Uncle Chuck's major appliances; it grabs Uncle Chuck but Sonic defeats it by wrapping it up in a garden hose. Robotnik leaves. Ch. 4: "Eight years passed." Sonic, 15, has a pet dog, Muttski, and works as a delivery hedgehog for his Uncle Chuck's chili dog stand. Sonic tests his new sneakers (designed by Uncle Chuck) while filling a large order, but in his absence Robotnik returns and arrests "Uncle Chuck" and his robots trash the stand. Ch. 5: Sonic delivers the chili dogs to an old factory, walking into a trap. He escapes and returns to what's left of the stand. He destroys a couple of robots who try to capture him and learns that Robotnik is responsible. He heads off for Robotnik's factory. Ch. 6: Stopping in the forest just outside the factory he encounters "a cute little chipmunk girl": Princess Sally Acorn. She shows Sonic a short-cut to the "Ro-Bo-Machine." Ch. 7: Reaching the fence around the factory, Sonic sees that Uncle Chuck has already been roboticized. Sally tries to stop him, but Sonic goes over the fence. Ch. 8: Sonic goes into Sonic Spin and takes out the SWATbots. With Sally's help, they get Uncle Chuck and Muttski and head for the Great Forest. Ch. 9: Sally leads them to "Knothole Village" which is "under the forest floor." (cf. Sonic #0). Sonic uses a power ring to restore Uncle Chuck and Muttski. None of the other Freedom Fighters are introduced. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Robotnik's Revenge_ synopsis: one of the Knothole freedom fighters is captured by Robotnik and used as bait to lure Sonic into a trap. In this case, the victim is Bunnie, and the story supposedly explains how she came to be partially roboticized. This account is at odds with the explanation in the comics. In addition, both Uncle Chuck and Muttski in this book has been successfully deroboticized (see above), which conflicts with "Sonic Conversion" and, in fact, the rest of the second season. _Sonic the Hedgehog: Fortress of Fear_ synopsis: COMING SOON OVERSEAS BOOKS: Martin Adams, _Sonic the Hedgehog and the Silicon Warriors_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Castle Robotnik_ (c)1994; _Sonic the Hedgehog in the Fourth Dimension_ (c)1993; _Sonic the Hedgehog in Robotnik's Laboratory_ (c)1993: London: Virgin. Attention WEB-Slingers: The following individuals have set up Sonic the Hedgehog home pages on the World Wide Web. You can access them at: David Pistone http://www.primenet.com/~rotor Stories and fanart Shawn Wolski http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~n5una/index.html Fanart and this FAQ file; also access to Ratman's Sonic Web Page. From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 18:31:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA20764 for sonic-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 18:00:57 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA20759 for ; Fri, 26 May 1995 18:00:55 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA08870; Fri, 26 May 1995 17:54:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 17:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Issue 16 summary Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net This message contains a summary of Issue 16 of the Archie comic. If you want to read this issue before knowing anything about it, stop now and don't read any more of this message. ISSUE 16 "Sonic Under Glass" The Freedom Fighters finally defeated Robotnik, and Sonic and Sally are getting married. But Robotnik reveals that he actually lured the Freedom Fighters to Sleepy Hollow with promises of chili dogs. There, he put them to sleep with gas and then trapped them inside a virtual reality glass dome. Inside the dome, all their wishes are fulfilled so no one will even think of escaping. Suddenly, clocks start melting (huh?), Sonic is holding up a broom, and Uncle Chuck comes calling. Uncle Chuck explains what happened to everyone. Sonic wants to get back at Robotnik, but also doesn't want to because everyone else is so happy. He decides to go for it, and makes Robotnik's war machines reverse course and head back toward Robotnik. Without alternative, Robotnik kills the virtual reality software. Sonic and Sally are reunited, and Sonic decides virtual reality is not a good place to live in. "The Man From H.E.D.G.E.H.O.G." Robotnik realizes there must be a spy in his midst because so many of his missions have failed. For a moment, he thought he found his spy (a mole). He brings in the Wheel of Misfortune as a way to randomize his schemes to destroy Mobius and prevent word of his plans getting back to Sonic. Robotnik spins, and the wheel lands on "undersea bank heist". Robotnik's lackeys go out to do the job and discover a note in the vault, and the Freedom Fighters are right behind. Robotnik spins again, and the wheel lands on "daring daylight art robbery". Once again, Sonic is there, as is another note. Robotnik spins again, and this thime the wheel lands on "mindless act of terrorism". And, once again, Sonic and a note appear. Sonic and Sally go to Robotnik's casino, and he thinks he has Sonic. Actually, he does for a moment, but Sonic is rescued in time. Finally, Robotnik realizes his wheel is rigged and that he's still not uncovered the spy. In the next panel, we see a building whose sign identifies it as "Secret Intelligence Headquarters". Inside are Sonic, Sally, and the owl Harvey Who, the head of secret intelligence. Sonic-Grams notables-- (The announcements are now obsolete are omitted here.) 1. Sonic is 15 years old. 2. Sally is a squirrel (but not specifically a ground squirrel). Antoine gave his tail to Tails so that Tails would be able to fly. Sonic rescued Bunnie from the roboticizer, albeit a little late. The comic Sally and the cartoon Sally were different colors because, early on, Archie Comics didn't have much information to go on as to what Sally should look like. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 11:30:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA04849 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 11:15:48 -0400 Received: from rachael.franken.de by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA04844 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 11:15:16 -0400 Received: from by rachael.franken.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #13) id m0sFk2T-000oIKC; Sun, 28 May 95 17:14 MET DST Received: from deco.franken.de by hub-n.franken.de with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0sFizo-00007KC; Sun, 28 May 95 16:07 WET DST Received: by deco.franken.de (CrossPoint v3.02); 28 May 1995 16:08:16 +0100 Date: 25 May 1995 17:10:00 +0100 From: sanasi@deco.franken.de (Alessandro Sanasi) To: sonic@sard.mv.net Message-ID: <5mXHvk49zxB@deco.franken.de> In-Reply-To: <95052115311835379@jaguar.ac.edu> Subject: Re: Is Manak IMproving? X-Mailer: XP v3.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On 21 May 95, Robert Haynie wrote: > I think so, a bit... _WHAT_ ???? From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 14:30:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05749 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:22:59 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05744 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:22:57 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA19684; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:16:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 14:16:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: New Sonic list documentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net I am releasing new documentation for the list and ftp site today. You are encouraged to read the updated new user text and the updated Sonic "How-To" text. Several users do not have regular ftp access. If you are one of them, be on the lookout for messages on how to use ftpmail too. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 14:52:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05803 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:29:25 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05798 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:29:23 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA19870; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:23:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Welcome to sonic and sonic-digest Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net SONIC THE HEDGEHOG: INTERNET DENIZENS FOR A FREE MOBIUS (sonic@lists.mv.net and sonic-digest@lists.mv.net) Welcome to the only mailing lists that are Way Past Cool: Sonic the Hedgehog (tm) ! In these mailing lists, we discuss the comic books and cartoons based on SEGA (tm)'s Sonic the Hedgehog, and help free Mobius from the evil Dr. Robotnik. There are two versions of the Sonic mailing list. One is "live" and the other is a digest. You may change your subscription status from "live" to digest or from digest to "live" at any time. If you do decide to change your subscription status, be sure you unsubscribe from the version you don't want anymore, or you will be subscribed to both versions and receive all messages twice. See "How to Change Your Status" below for more information. To post to the list, send your messages to sonic@lists.mv.net. This address applies to both versions of the list. There are two FAQ's for this list. You are encouraged to read them before posting to the list. They can both be retrieved from the ftp site in /pub/sonic/list. The lists are archived, and the current month's archive can be retrieved from the mailing list software. Older monthly archives can be retrieved from the ftp site. To retrieve the current month's messages, send the command "get sonic mail.txt" (but without the quotes) in the body of a mail message to majordomo@lists.mv.net. You may post information and opinions related to the characters and stories in the Sonic comics and cartoons. Fan-written stories are welcome too. You may post messages on the Sonic games to the extent that the focus is on the Sonic/Mobius story and/or characters, and not on the games themselves. Asking why Knuckles rarely appears in the comics is on-topic, but asking how to become "Super Sonic" in Sonic 3 is not. If you feel you must flame someone (other than Robotnik (g) ), please do so in mail directly to that person. And as on most areas of the 'net, legally obscene material and posts of a commercial nature are not welcome here. Not everyone has read all of the comic books and seen all of the cartoons. 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You will find sounds, images, list archives, and a variety of information. Users without regular ftp access may use ftpmail. Please contact the list manager if you need help locating a ftpmail server. Other Internet Resources ======================== rec.games.video.sega A Usenet group for discussion of Sonic the Hedgehog and other games from SEGA. Use r.g.v.s instead of this mailing list if you want to discuss the Sonic games, get codes/cheats, etc. alt.sega.genesis Another Usenet group for discussing SEGA's games. rec.arts.animation A Usenet group for discussion of animated cartoons. Please read that group's FAQ before posting there. alt.binaries.pictures.cartoons A Usenet group for posting image files related to cartoons. This group is not widely propogated. alt.toon-pics This Usenet group was supposed to be replaced by a.b.p.c but some sites continue to carry a.t.p too/instead. alt.binaries.sounds.cartoons A Usenet group for posting digitized sound files related to cartoons. This group is not widely propogated. Veronica Try looking up the word "hedgehog" and a *few* Sonic files should turn up. Most of what you'll find will not be at all related to Sonic. WWW Sega has a home page (http://www.segaoa.com/), but you won't find much information there (but do have your credit card ready (g)). Another home page where you can find Sonic images is http://www.ysu.edu/~ptighe/sonic.html. Juice time, outta here! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sonic the Hedgehog" and "Sega" are registered trademarks of SEGA of America. "sonic" and "sonic-digest" are independent mailing lists neither owned nor operated by or for Sega of America. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 15:00:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05935 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:59:36 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05930 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:59:34 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA20615; Sun, 28 May 1995 14:53:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 14:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: How to access ftpmail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net ftpmail is a service users without access to regular ftp can use to obtain files from the sonic list's ftp site. There are two ftpmail servers. For fastest results, you should probably use the decwrl site if you live in North or South America, or the UK site if you live in Europe, Asia, or Australia. The address for the decwrl site is: ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com The address for the UK site is: ftpmail@doc.ic.ac.uk It would be a good idea to request the help text from the server of your choice before you try to use ftpmail to obtain files. For both servers, send the command "help" (but without the quote marks) in the body of a mail message to the ftpmail server. Both servers use commands similar to regular ftp, but the commands used by one server generally cannot be used when working with the other server. Because most of the Sonic list subscribers live in the Americas, the remainder of this text concerns the decwrl server only. Here are some tips to make it easier to use the decwrl server. 1. You must always include the command "connect hff.mv.com". 2. Get a listing of files with the "dir" command. 3. Use "chdir" to change directory. You are allowed to change directory only ONE TIME per message. If you want to get files in multiple directories, you must send multiple mail messages. The directory pathlist always starts /pub/sonic. 4. It is a good idea to place a "reply" command at the top of your message. This will help ensure your files are sent to you correctly. It's also a good idea to use the "quit" command at the end so that the server will ignore your signature. 5. When retrieving binary files, don't forget to use the "binary" command! You will probably want to use the "uuencode" command after the "binary" command. The "uuencode" command is always used AFTER the "binary" command! If you do not specify "uuencode", your files will be sent in btoa format. Contact your system administrator, your BBS SysOp, or a user group in your community if you need help with uudecoding. Here are a few sample messages with valid commands for the decwrl server. help reply larvae@butterfly.net help quit reply larvae@butterfly.net connect hff.mv.com chdir /pub/sonic/list get episode-summary dir quit reply larvae@butterfly.net connect hff.mv.com chdir /pub/sonic/sounds binary uuencode get waypastn.zip quit |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 17:31:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA06815 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 17:26:34 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA06810 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from acmew.gatech.edu (acmew.gatech.edu [130.207.165.42]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA26394 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 17:26:27 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmew.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02650 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sun, 28 May 1995 17:26:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199505282126.RAA02650@acmew.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Is Manak IMproving? To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5mXHvk49zxB@deco.franken.de> from "Alessandro Sanasi" at May 25, 95 05:10:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1232 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net > > On 21 May 95, Robert Haynie wrote: > > > I think so, a bit... > > _WHAT_ ???? My sentiments exactly. My subscription has finally started with #24. I liked the story. Nowhere as good as #22, but at least Sonic wasn't fighting some robo-KingKong contraption... As for the artwork...keep Mawhinney and Spaziante (and shoot me if I spelled those names wrong), but Manak isn't anywhere near them. For a moment there, I thought he was improving...then I noticed that the 3rd and 4th parts of that story were Mawhinney's work :) later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 21:30:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA08407 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:20:21 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA08401 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:20:12 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27288; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:20:07 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA07664; Sun, 28 May 1995 21:20:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9505290120.AA07664@edmund> Subject: Sonic: One Opinion To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 21:20:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Greetings: The following is from a letter my brother sent me after watching STH (specifically, both installments of "Blast to the Past" and the sort of lame two-parter that followed (I can't access the ep list at the moment). I'll say no more and let his comments speak for themselves. I do invite responses which I intend to pass along. ======================================================================== (excerpted from a letter dated 1/27/95): Well, you can't say that I didn't give it a chance. This past Saturday (1/7) I tuned in Sonic to see what was doing. At first I thought the entire premise of the show dealt with reverse time travel, but apparently it was just the one episode. The major influence on that episode was "Quantum Leap" -- the computer with the holograms (whose name escapes me, even though the show ended about 20 minutes ago) was a direct cop from Ziggy in QL, as was the whole notion of going back to the past to change the present/future. (Actually, the first "Terminator" movie covered some of the same ground). It's hard for me to avoid deeper criticism of pop culture, so brace yourself. The nature/machine dichotomy has pretty much been done to death, from George Lucas' Ewoks to (on a more pessimistic note) H. G. Wells' "Time Machine". Basically, though, the roboticizer (?) suggested to me the Borg episodes of "Star Trek: The Next Generation". All of this goes back to the same anti-mechanical impulses that gave rise to the Luddites in 19th Century England. The whole tendency (although not, oddly enough, the Luddites) is discussed in two of [my brother's wife's] favorite books: Leo Marx's "The Machine In The Garden" and David Shi's "The Simple Life," both of which I commend to your attention. This tendency was carried on in the hyena sequence of the 1/14 program. That bugs me, only because there are pastorals out there that are much more honest about nature being, in Tennyson's phrase, "red in tooth and claw". For example, I've been rereading "The Jungle Book" after years away from it: Kipling's colonialist politics aside, I'd forgotten his abilities as a writer, and his willingness to include death in his view of life. Maybe Sonic doesn't have to go the Kipling route, but describing the hyenas as "cannibal", while it suggests the universal bond of all life, makes carnivores seem aberrant. Yet the foxes in the series should also be considered aberrant, since they are--or should be--carnivores. The series sidesteps this problem by infantilizing the foxes, keeping them at a child (at best, adolescent) stage of development. These anthropomorphs' ancestor is, of course, Bugs Bunny, whom Richard Adams once dismissed as "a guy in a rabbit suit" who had nothing to do with real rabbits. As for the lead Sonic characters, there doesn't seem to be much one can do with them except use them for their original purpose; the series is, after all, a half-hour commercial for Sega. The Boss [Robotnik?] is one-dimensional, but Sonic, Sally and the other forest-folk barely make it to two-dimensional. If I had to write anything for these critters, I'd have to invent a lot of biography and motivation along the way. The character design is nice, but (a) the studio is borrowing Sega's designs and (b) the studio is, after all, DIC, which has done some good work; I still think "The Littles" was a couple of steps above the usual Saturday AM run. Beyond that, and their essentially adolescent perspective, Sonic and Sally still pretty much embody the gender stereotyping of commercial television: she's Appollonian, the planning aspect, while he's the active, unthinking Dionysian counterpart. You rarely see a female protagonist, animated or otherwise, who deviates from this. One of the few, though, who I did like, was Gadget Hackwrench from the "Rescue Rangers". She combined thinker and actor, and was strong enough to assert her own personality in a male-dominated mileau. =========================================================================== The preceeding opinion does not necessarily reflect my own. In fact, it doesn't. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 23:30:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA09421 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:28:55 -0400 Received: from use.usit.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA09416 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:28:53 -0400 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA03862; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:22:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic: One Opinion In-Reply-To: <9505290120.AA07664@edmund> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sun, 28 May 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: > (excerpted from a letter dated 1/27/95): > > The major influence on that episode was "Quantum Leap" -- the computer > with the holograms (whose name escapes me, even though the show ended [stuff deleted] > yourself. The nature/machine dichotomy has pretty much been done to > death, from George Lucas' Ewoks to (on a more pessimistic note) H. G. > Wells' "Time Machine". Basically, though, the roboticizer (?) suggested > to me the Borg episodes of "Star Trek: The Next Generation". All of [and some more] Stories, music, art, etc. have been developed for a very long time. Only the most avant garde works have a chance at being totally original. Almost everything does something that's been done before, whether intended by the author or not. In the case of music, the courts have already ruled that all possible combinations of notes have been exhausted, so now it's not necessary any longer to prove absolute originality in a defence in a copyright infringement suit. > be--carnivores. The series sidesteps this problem by infantilizing the > foxes, keeping them at a child (at best, adolescent) stage of > development. These anthropomorphs' ancestor is, of course, Bugs Bunny, > whom Richard Adams once dismissed as "a guy in a rabbit suit" who had > nothing to do with real rabbits. He must be less familiar with the games than even I am. Tails is "almost five" except for being ten years old in the Saturday series. For DIC to portray Tails as an adult would be a non-sequitor, an inconsistency with the characters' point of origination (the games). As for Bugs Bunny, why does he have to be a like a real rabbit? Ooooh, six minutes of Bugs Bunny silently hopping around a meadow. That'll keep us in hysterics. (Reference to "Slappy Goes Walnuts" intended.) Likewise, why do Tails and Antoine (and Sally??) have to be like real foxes? If they were, Bunnie wouldn't have a chance if not for her robotic limbs. And since Sally is (more than likely) a squirrel, she'd be in trouble too. As explained in Schneider's book, the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies were made "cartoony" in direct opposition to Disney's preference to realism. If you prefer realistic animation, fine. Pick up "Bambi" and "Snow White" at your local video store. > As for the lead Sonic characters, there doesn't seem to be much one can > do with them except use them for their original purpose; the series is, > after all, a half-hour commercial for Sega. The Boss [Robotnik?] is > one-dimensional, but Sonic, Sally and the other forest-folk barely make > it to two-dimensional. If I had to write anything for these critters, > I'd have to invent a lot of biography and motivation along the way. The > character design is nice, but (a) the studio is borrowing Sega's designs What you're asking for is an original series, not a show based on the game. If you re-invent the characters, you end up with something like the movie "Halloween III: Season of the Witch": a movie that has nothing to do with its predecessors except title. You think there are differences between the two cartoon series, the two comics (US and UK), and the games now? Just imagine the games being what they are now, and the SatAM show using only humans and taking place in New York City, and Robotnik is just a powerful man in the drug trade. May as well scrap the game connections and make a totally new show. There's also a matter of the budget. The show would be very different if it were made by Disney (perhaps passed along to Touchstone) where much more could be spent on writers, animation, and so on. Any list.members care to speculate on what the show would have been like if another studio made it? The cartoon-commercial issue was debated extensively about ten years ago when we were treated to plotless cartoons like "Strawberry Shortcake" whose sole purpose was to sell-sell-sell. At least "JEM" had some good music now and then. "Sonic the Hedgehog" is a giant step up from there. The Sonic cartoons and comics have helped to develop the concept further and faster than the games. Sega can't release a new Sonic game every month. Of course, the connection to an item of merchandise is there; it's inseperable for this show. But I don't think it was made to be a commercial any more than specifying my e-mail address in my .signature is an attempt to solicit customers for United States Internet, Inc. Do you see in my .sig, "For the best in Internet connectivity, contact USIT at ---"? Do you see any blatant sales pitches in the show? Robotnik, boss only to Snively, should be a limited character. It would dilute the story if he only roboticized those who commited capital crimes, or if he were to apologize for what he does as he does it. If Robotnik was just a component of a schizophrenic Julian, well, we'd have a more complex story and a less formidable opponent. > Beyond that, and their essentially adolescent perspective, Sonic and > Sally still pretty much embody the gender stereotyping of commercial > television: she's Appollonian, the planning aspect, while he's the > active, unthinking Dionysian counterpart. You rarely see a female "Commercial television", hmmm, last time I checked my TV listings, my local PBS affiliates weren't running Sonic. You can't blame your tires for being round. I'd rather see this configuration than one like Cliff Huxtable who's just an amiable buffoon (just how did he manage to get through med school, or high school for that matter?). Sally might have the "brains" but she alone can't carry out her plans, with the possible exception of her mini-series (she did have help from St. John). Remember the episode where Sally blamed herself for not adequately planning an attack and some Freedom Fighters were roboticized? Sounds like something I'd do too. But Sonic was there to support her, and *together* they made it through. Sega's bio of Sonic says he's of average intelligence (see /pub/sonic/list/sonic-bio at the ftp site) and he tends to be impatient. Remember when Sonic said he would do what "I do best: wing it!"? Sonic wouldn't even want Sally's "planner" role. Not unless you re-invent him, and now we're back to may as well make an original series. |-- Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) + Team OS/2 ---- acme@use.usit.net -----| | A! JW2 WAR++ PI~ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU+ MI- MM KK-- | | P++ D $++ E59 Ee5 Eee35 TRita Ay68 M | | "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog | |-- A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! ------------------------------| From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 29 00:00:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA09582 for sonic-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:50:35 -0400 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA09577 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:50:33 -0400 Received: from acmew.gatech.edu (acmew.gatech.edu [130.207.165.42]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA16994 for ; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:50:26 -0400 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmew.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA00635 for sonic@sard.mv.net; Sun, 28 May 1995 23:50:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199505290350.XAA00635@acmew.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic: One Opinion To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:50:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Erich Schulman" at May 28, 95 11:22:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1328 Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net [One person's negative opinion and a Sonic lister's excellent rebuttal deleted] Here here! Glad to see somebody can argue my opinions better than I can! Perhaps this is why I got a C in my English 'Analysis of American Television' class. The prof didn't seem to appreciate the fact that I did not see TV as some 'medium that only serves to cater to hegemonic opinion' (or whatever the exact terms were, like I said, I got a C), but that I for one can still enjoy it for the story-telling and that I also know where the off-switch is if need be... Dan Drazen, if I may be so bold, you ought to send that response to your brother. later---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 29 03:00:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA10585 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 May 1995 02:49:19 -0400 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA10580 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 02:49:17 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA208610126; Mon, 29 May 1995 02:48:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 02:48:46 -0400 Message-Id: <950529024838_15995300@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic: One Opinion Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-05-28 23:35:03 EDT, you write: >[NOP!]...(and Sally?? [No, no, no!]) have to be like real >foxes? From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 29 03:30:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA10821 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 May 1995 03:14:56 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA10816 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 03:14:54 -0400 From: BBlaze@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA298461662; Mon, 29 May 1995 03:14:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 03:14:22 -0400 Message-Id: <950529031416_15999834@aol.com> To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic: One Opinion Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net In a message dated 95-05-28 21:32:49 EDT, Dan Drazen writes: >The following is from a letter my brother sent me after >watching STH...[NOP!] The problem with scientifically analyzing a children's cartoon show is just that. If it was intended to be scientifically accurate (like all the "Star Trek"s) a lot of the questions like "What is Sally?" [squirrel damnit!] and "How come Sonic can run so fast?" would be answered. These are basic questions analogous to "How does a transporter work?" When you think about it, Sonic has gotten pretty far considering it started out as a game and was never intended to go beyond that. It's now our job to fill in the gaps. -B.B. "We don't take kindly to big ol' floatin' heads is these parts." -A Cowboy, Relaxation Tape No. 5 From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 29 15:30:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA15096 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:16:11 -0400 Received: from ns2.ac.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA15089 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:16:08 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00961; Mon, 29 May 95 15:21:26 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 34990W Mon, 29 May 1995 19:12:05 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Is Manak IMproving? Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 16:36:08 GMT Message-Id: <95052915120537570@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net -> From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) -> To: sard.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) -> Subject: Re: Is Manak IMproving? -> -> > -> > On 21 May 95, Robert Haynie wrote: -> > -> > > I think so, a bit... -> > -> > _WHAT_ ???? -> -> My sentiments exactly. -> -> My subscription has finally started with #24. -> I liked the story. Nowhere as good as #22, but at least Sonic wasn't -> fighting some robo-KingKong contraption... -> -> As for the artwork...keep Mawhinney and Spaziante (and shoot me if I -> spelled those names wrong), but Manak isn't anywhere near them. -> -> For a moment there, I thought he was improving...then I noticed -> that the 3rd and 4th parts of that story were Mawhinney's work :) -> -> later---Kris -> I'm not saying that he's by any means that hot-- and yes, I know 3&4 are Mawhinney-- but compare much of 1&2 with previous issues. Manak, just a bit, is improving. Not quite what I'd like yet, but he is improving... rob From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Mon May 29 18:00:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA16086 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 May 1995 17:37:38 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA16081 for ; Mon, 29 May 1995 17:37:35 -0400 Received: from srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA35115; Mon, 29 May 1995 15:35:12 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:35:12 -0600 (MDT) From: "William T. Graham" To: sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Is Manak IMproving? In-Reply-To: <95052115311835379@jaguar.ac.edu> Message-Id: Organization: Calgary Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net On Sun, 21 May 1995, Robert Haynie wrote: > I think so, a bit... Does Manak's style appeal more to the younger sector of the readership (say 5-10 year-olds), I wonder? Speaking of Dave Manak: late last year I was looking through some stacks of second-hand comic books looking for any Sonic back issues, when I noticed Manak's signature on a cover from 1989. It was an issue of ALF. The best part was the inside front cover, which had an ad for the Sonic 1 game. Apparently Manak did much of the pencilling on ALF, which made it to issue 50 before it was cancelled. I think it would be a great gag if Alf made a cameo appearance in a Manak story, although I doubt the licensing folks would ever allow it. I can see it now: Alf: "Made a wrong turn on my way home [from Earth], and wound up here on Mobius instead of Melmac." - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius - From owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Tue May 30 11:30:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA23287 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:09:15 -0400 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA23282 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:09:06 -0400 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03528; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:08:58 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (5.x) id AA13101; Tue, 30 May 1995 11:08:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9505301508.AA13101@edmund> Subject: Rupert "Robotnik" Murdoch To: sonic@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:08:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@sard.mv.net Greetings. It was reported last week that, according to an internal source at Archie Comics, the REAL reason Sonic the Hedgehog was cancelled on Saturday morning was the fact that it was up against the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox. In the interest of accuracy, I did a little research in some back issues of _TV Guide_ we haven't thrown out/recycled yet. When the second Sonic season began on September 17, 1994, the show was up against Beethoven on CBS and MMPR on Fox. The lineup stayed that way until December 10, when ABC moved Sonic from 8:30 (Eastern) to 8:00. This move, too late to rescue the numbers from the November sweeps, now put Sonic up against Disney's The Little Mermaid on CBS and Jim Henson's Dog City on Fox. This situation held steady until February 4, the beginning of the February sweeps. Fox shifted its lineup and Sonic was once again in the same time slot as MMPR. The 1-2 punch of being up against MMPR during two sweeps periods in a row probably was, indeed, the reason the show was cancelled. Pity. Well, I take comfort in the fact that Morphin' Mania, like Disco Fever, will run its course one day. Whether Sega and DiC will want to make another run at SatAM remains to be seen. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================