From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 1 11:42:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA12505 for kats-ll; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:18:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 11:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: TCN Marathon! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSCR6DB1AQ9GVX5L@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ATTENTION: I just saw that The Cartoon Network is going to have a 4th of July Swat Kats Marathon starting at 12 noon EST. They didn't say how long the marathon was going to be; but hopefully it'll be a couple of hours. Tell all your friends! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 1 17:42:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA14588 for kats-ll; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 17:36:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 10:02:23 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199507011702.KAA12688@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Destructive Nature:MCPD? Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Path: news.infoserve.net!unix.infoserve.net!chance From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Destructive Nature:MCPD? Next time you check out "Destructive Nature", with Dr. Viper and the plant thingys, check out the crime-scene tape around the building. Instead of sayin "Enforcers Only" or something similar, it actually says: "MegaKat City P.D." (Police Department) This was one of Lance Falk's eps - it's okay, but some of the lines really grate. There's a scene where T-Bone lands at MegaKat Space Center and picks up some rocket coolant, and there's these two ground crew dudes who look up and say something like: "If they want to give that much Rocket Coolant to a vigilante, who are we to argue?" "Yeah, but there's enough freeze-juice in there to freeze an entire city block!" Eyaaaaah...that's where Slappy Squirrel would say "Thank you, Mr. Exposition" - Lance obviously wanted to get the point across, but I thought the giant cylinder giving the TurboKat a hernia did that quite nicely already. Notice how a lot of the eps focus on Razor? This one, and a few others, have T-Bone otherwise occupied while Razor takes center stage and uses T-Bone for errand boy. Also, look at the preponderence of closeups of Razor, but few for T-Bone, usually in these same eps. In this "Destructive Nature" ep, usually restrained Razor jumps atop the canister of N2 and lets loose with a "Yahooooo!" - something he _never_ does, he's usually Mr. Restrained in his reactions to anything, while T-Bone is normally the one who does this kind of stuff (i.e., Razor isn't very likely to throw a can of milk through the Tube when Feral's on, but T-Bone doesn't think twice about it). Oh, yeah - another round in the "Furry vs. Humans" argument can be seen in this ep, and any others with the "Foreign Investors". There's _no way_ H-B could've gotten away with the stereotypical Oriental charicature or Mr. Yung and associates if they weren't kitties - can you imagine the outcry, all the "golf" stuff, and the thick glasses? Oy. It's hilarious seeing these guys trying to buy up Mkat city at the same rate they're doing in RL (check "Volcanus Erupts" for example), but if they didn't purr we'd never have seen them on the tube. Heh! -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 1 23:42:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA16312 for kats-ll; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:21:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 1995 23:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: TCN Marathon! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSDGGFSI549BVXYV@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Just noticed this about the commercial TCN was putting on with the Macho Man: If you've recorded the commercial, look closly and you can catch a glimpse of what appears to be the action figures that'll be out soon! They looked pretty cool from the few freeze frames I saw! Can anyone confirm if these are _in fact_ the action figures to be released? If you'd like a better look, I can grab the frame & post it here to the list. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 2 00:12:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA16560 for kats-ll; Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:56:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:56:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN Marathon! In-Reply-To: <01HSDGGFSI549BVXYV@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > you'd like a better look, I can grab the frame & post it here to the > list. Please don't. This mailing list is not for binaries. But I will be more than happy to host that file on the ftp site. In fact, I'd love to have a frame grab of that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 2 14:12:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA22652 for kats-ll; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 14:10:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: TCN Marathon! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Ratman wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > > > you'd like a better look, I can grab the frame & post it here to the > > list. > But I will be more than happy to host that file on the ftp site. In fact, I'd > love to have a frame grab of that. On the way to WKOZIOL is promo literature and package art, some in colour, for the upcoming toys. Walt's going to colour scan them in to send to Rat, and then maybe someone could send them from there to the Action Figure Site, which I have the add to somewheres. I can't display any graphics, sadly - but I'd like to eventually see the grab mentioned above also. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 2 15:13:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA23034 for kats-ll; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 14:49:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 12:00:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: TCN Marathon! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HSDGGFSI549BVXYV@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Just noticed this about the commercial TCN was putting on with the Macho > Man: > > If you've recorded the commercial, look closly and you can catch a > glimpse of what appears to be the action figures that'll be out soon! > They looked pretty cool from the few freeze frames I saw! Can anyone > confirm if these are _in fact_ the action figures to be released? If > you'd like a better look, I can grab the frame & post it here to the > list. Okay, for those of us who get to see this grab, and want to know if the images are indeed of the toys - here's some clues. The toys that have actually been made are T-Bone, Razor, DarkKat, and Dr.Viper. T-Bone and Razor look more alike than they do in the series, and have some extra gadgetry added to their flight suits. DarkKat looks comppletely different, more as how he was intended to look as opposed to what was eventually done, and is usually pictured without his hood. Dr.Viper looks quite similar, but more in tune with his appearance as the giant version in "Mutation City", just he's the same scale as the 'Kat guy toys, and is minus the lab coat. One of the list members works at a video store, and says that the Kat videos have shown up on their lists, available starting 4 July (appropriate enough, I suppose - too bad the 'Kat guys can't drive off Ted's government with the same vigor the Americans drove out the English). _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 2 16:43:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA23568 for kats-ll; Sun, 2 Jul 1995 16:19:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 13:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: (fwd) Re: Episode "Letter Grades".. (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 13:01:09 -0700 From: Andy Hill To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: (fwd) Re: Episode "Letter Grades".. Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Andy Hill (chance@unix.infoserve.net) wrote: : There's 24 'Kats eps altogether, and here's the "letter grades" that : the "Animato!" article author, Mark Lungo, saw fit to assign each ep. : Before you read 'em, be aware that Mark has strong opinions on : "gratuitious" violence, and that may influence the grading in some : instances. Lemme know what you think. : 2) The Giant Bacteria: D+ (Glenn Leopold) : Second Season: : 22) a) Volcanus Erupts: C (Glenn Leopold, concept Christian/Yvon Tremblay) : b) The Origin of Dr. Viper: A- (Glenn Leopold) : 23) The Dark Side of the SwatKats: B- (Jim Katz) : 24) Unlikely Alloys: A (Lance Falk) Oddly, the "Giant Bacteria" seems to be the one that's almost universally labelled as the least favourite - yet elements of it actually helped sell the show in the first place; a version of "Bacteria" is depicted on a very early SK poster looming in the background about to devour a very prototypical TurboKat. Mark's given it a "D" primarily based on the "gratuitious" violence depicted in the subway scene where Bacteria-ized Morbulus apparently devours an entire railway car full of innocent between-meal snacks. I usually find such scenes underscore the fact that "this entity is _not_ Mother Theresa..." The second lowest rating goes to "Volcanus Erupts", which I didn't much like partly because it was one of the 11 minute eps, and partly because the story didn't really "go" anywhere. The _only_ thing I really like about this ep is that you get to see Razor in shorts - _very_ useful when trying to draw the guy (the only other time, I think, is in "Ghost Pilot", when they're both doing the workout thing, and Jake's on the treadmill). If I had to "fail" any ep and send it to Summer-school, it'd have to be the "Katseye News Special Report". If you look at the Doc-Kat GIF, you'll notice that the production number is actually 002 - indicating that "Mutation City" was supposed to be the _second_ episode of season two, not the first. No prizes for guessing what ep was originally supposed to air in the top slot. "Katseye" is only good for the new Jake&Chance dialogue during the "name that villian" sequence - everything else is compiled of clips in such a way that they're not only mostly out of context with their original scenarios, but they actively detract from whatever meaning the actual _composition_ of the scenes was meant to convey ("Metal Urgency" conclusion is the best example). I'm still working on my "A" list... _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 11:44:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00507 for kats-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:16:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 10:08:30 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507031508.AA05196@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: toy-R-Us...and marathon Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hit the local T-R-Us this weekend with hopes of them holdingto their original word of both the Kat toys and ther new Star Wars stuff hitting their shelves the first part of July (yeah, I know it was just the first day of July, but hey I'm anxious). Unfortuantly, I struck out on both counts, as expected, and came home with only a couple of ST:TNG fig. What is the latest "official" release date, anyone?? >From what I can tell from the commercial for the marathon, the Razor and T-Bone are the action figures (I may be wrong). Macho Man also has some sort of punch gun that he is holding in one of the promos. Is there more to the line of new toys than just figures?? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 12:44:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA01443 for kats-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 12:31:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: toy-R-Us...and marathon To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507031508.AA05196@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > > Hit the local T-R-Us this weekend with hopes of them holdingto their original word > of both the Kat toys and ther new Star Wars stuff hitting their shelves the first part > of July (yeah, I know it was just the first day of July, but hey I'm anxious). > Unfortuantly, I struck out on both counts, as expected, and came home with only a couple > of ST:TNG fig. What is the latest "official" release date, anyone?? > > >From what I can tell from the commercial for the marathon, the Razor and T-Bone are > the action figures (I may be wrong). Macho Man also has some sort of punch gun that > he is holding in one of the promos. Is there more to the line of new toys than > just figures?? Toys 'R 'Us lies through their collective teeth (just ask me about "Creepy Crawly Splinter" sometime), so don't hold your breath until August for the ac-figures. The "Punch Gun" thing, I believe, is from another 'Kats licensee - Gordy Toy - who did this thing, the SwatKats flashlight deal I got from Ed Rudnicki, and apparently the sorry toy that came with the "White Castle" meals. From what I gather in all these cases, the toys existed already and simply earned new packaging and a bunch of stickers to make them 'Kat-related. Okay, now comes the bad news. Guys and girls, if you want your local video stores to carry the three SwatKats home videos, you may have to call them and make the powers that be aware of the interest. Picture yourself as a purchasing exec wondering what the heck a SwatKat is, and wondering how many copies of MMPR to order instead of the 'Kat guys. Also, enquiries in my end of the universe concerning the SNES Hudson-Soft game just generated a rash of head-scratching - so you may need to ask your retailer about that too. "Turner Marketing" is beginning to sound like an oxymoron. BTW, I'm almost afraid to ask, but um..what _exactly_ is a "Macho Man"? Are we talking Randy Savage? The Village People? Jane Fonda in drag? _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 19:13:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA11613 for kats-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:57:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 18:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: toy-R-Us...and marathon To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSFZT0A4VY9FNHF2@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >BTW, I'm almost afraid to ask, but um..what _exactly_ is a "Macho >Man"? Are we talking Randy Savage? The Village People? Jane Fonda in >drag? OOOOOHHHHHH YYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! (Randy the Macho Man Savage) Anyways, I'm going to email the screen grab to rat@org... & he'll put it up on the ftp site. He'll let you all know when it's there. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 20:43:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16584 for kats-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 20:33:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199507040033.UAA16579@sard.mv.net> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 3-Jul-1995 17:33:58 -0400; at mhs01.ngm01 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:33:03 -0600 To: sonic@sard.mv.net, Kats@sard.mv.net, apc-open@uunet.uu.net, framers@uunet.uu.net, info-vm@uunet.uu.net From: Olga.Kosmina@Dekabristov_St.5-178.Kiev-253121.Ukraine.UA Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads ## meet women of the former USSR through romance ads ## Months ago, Olga Kosmina placed my personal ad in several papers of the former Soviet Union. Since that time I have received over 40 responses for the $50 I mailed Olga. (I believe she paid the newspapers something around $35 and kept the rest for her efforts.) I have found greater success and savings by placing my own personal romance advertisement rather than purchasing addresses through Russian "bride" catalog companies. If you are interested in placing a personal romance ad as I did, contact Olga. She has built up a list of most every newspaper and magazine in the former Soviet Union and could help direct your ad to certain areas if you wish. She writes, "please say that I place all ad _throughout_ Russia and other countries of former Soviet Union, not only Western Russia." Olga is 23 years old, has a bachelors in biology and works full-time as a florist in Kiev. She speaks, reads and writes English as well as her native languages of Russian and Ukrainian. I realize that it is a very trusting person who would put $ into an envelope and mail to a foreign country. If you would rather send a letter of inquiry first, Olga will respond to your questions. It takes about 16 days for a letter to travel from the USA to Kiev. Olga Kozmina Dekabristov Street 5 - 178 Kiev 253121 Ukraine I have found that by placing a single bill between two pieces of newsprint inside an envelope, the Ukrainian post cannot see through and does not bother to tamper. I have yet to lose a letter sent to Kiev. I am sorry that Olga does not have e-mail because it would make contact with her much easier. I am posting anonymously because of the inordinate amount of e-mail which I would receive -- inquiries as well as flames. Best Wishes, David and Olga Although Olga has never seen a newsgroup nor heard of "net-etiquette," she believes that helping others exceeds the cost of angering those who feel the net should not be used in this fashion. IHA (I humbly ask) that you not flame the postmaster of this site. peace. . . From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 22:43:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17542 for kats-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:40:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:40:07 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199507040240.WAA17532@sard.mv.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: sorry about that. Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: you now have to be on the list to post to it. i have a feeling this will be a bit of a pain, but it's better than having to deal with junk mail being distributed by mailing lists, which is illegal by the way. As any unsolicited email is. i wish I knew who it was so I could kill them. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 3 23:13:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17724 for kats-ll; Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:54:55 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2ff8ad5646b4002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 21:54:14 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Content-Length: 339 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads List admin! List admin! What's this doing in the Swat Kats mailing list??? -Tim ---- Reply to: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu -- http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m279/fayxx001 -- "My mental facilities are TWICE what yours are -- you pea brain!" -Percival McLeach From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 4 19:14:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA25790 for kats-ll; Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:56:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 18:56:10 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: >Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSHE2I8V1U9EEQDZ@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hmm.. What about meeting woment of Mega Kat City through romance ads? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 4 22:13:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA26632 for kats-ll; Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:47:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 19:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: >Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HSHE2I8V1U9EEQDZ@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > > Hmm.. What about meeting woment of Mega Kat City through romance ads? > "Good-looking SFF(-eline) in responsible government postion seeks outgoing 'Kat to join her in _any_ position. I enjoy fast driving, insulting bad-guys when I'm at a disadvantage, and have a deep-seated need to be 'rescued' by the 'Kat of my dreams. Please forward photograph and a description of yourself, in confidence, to: "Ms. X", c/o MegaKat City Hall, Mayor's Office You won't regret it - I'll curl your claws! (Hairballs need not apply.) _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 4 23:13:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA26938 for kats-ll; Tue, 4 Jul 1995 22:44:18 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 22:44:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199507050244.WAA11353@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Olga Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: One more piece of bullshit like that, and I'll dump this mailing list before you can say "Bingo". From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 4 23:43:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA27306 for kats-ll; Tue, 4 Jul 1995 23:36:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 20:49:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: If you miss the Marathon, hit Blockbuster... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The three SwatKats videos are officially on the shelves at Blockbuster USA for rent or sale as of this second. For those of us who don't already know, Christian and Yvon Tremblay did the box art, and you can check out the original drawings on the FTP site. There is supposed to be a coupon for 5 bucks off future SK purchases contained within the tape box presumably redeemable towards either the SNES 'Kat game or future video purchases. For us Canadian fans, Mega Movies and Rogers outlets are carrying the 'Kat vids (at least on their "available" lists). If _anyone_ catches sight of the Hudson Soft SNES game, please post it to the newsgroup or the list. Later. (p.s., how many listmembers managed to tape the whole Marathon, and how long did it end up being?) _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 04:43:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA28700 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 04:17:08 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2ffa4a5b3153002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 03:16:27 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: If you miss the Marathon, hit Blockbuster... Content-Length: 899 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy wrote: >(p.s., how many listmembers managed to tape the whole Marathon, and how >long did it end up being?) I missed the first ep, but I recorded the rest for some friends of mine who've never seen the show. I'll post a list when I review the tape (if someone else doesn't beat me to it. :) ). The marathon lasted 6 hours, for a total of 12 eps, mostly from the first season. I'm tellin' ya, Randy Savage's bits during the breaks got old _real_ fast. But the rest of the marathon was fun to watch. I didn't spot any of the action figures during the marathon. Side note: The Cartoon Network shows feature films on Sunday nights (on what they call "Mr. Spim's Cartoon Theater") and this Sunday the feature will be TWICE UPON A TIME. This is one of the most unusual and enjoyable animated features ever made. If you get the 'Toon Net, I highly reccomend that you watch it. -Tim ---- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 07:43:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA29566 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 07:24:13 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9507050722.ZM28808@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 07:22:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: MATT WEBER ">Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads" (Jul 4, 6:56pm) References: <01HSHE2I8V1U9EEQDZ@delphi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: >Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jul 4, 6:56pm, MATT WEBER wrote: > Subject: >Subject: meet women of the former USSR through romance ads > > Hmm.. What about meeting woment of Mega Kat City through romance ads? Now this has some possibilities!?! Where would you take which lady from Mega Kat City on a date? > >-- End of excerpt from MATT WEBER -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 11:13:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA01730 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 10:45:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 07:58:59 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199507051458.HAA23536@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: 'KATS more advanced than we... Date: 4 Jul 1995 13:37:40 GMT Check out "Ghost Pilot" -- you'll notice that the guard at the museum states that "the plane looks pretty good for being 50 years old". It's one of the fighter planes common to "Mega War II", but it's a _bi-plane_, which were obsolete in our world at the end of 1918. The 'Kats have gone from biplane to upper-atmosphere capable jets in just over fifty years - and it's taken us over 80. (Wonder what they flew in "MegaWar I" -- kites?). The other thing you notice from the "Ghost Pilot" ep, is Mayor Manx comments that the "Blue Manx" was his 'great-grandfather'. Man, 'Kats must have _short_ lifespans, because Manx looks about 50-odd, his father would have to be at least 70, his grandfather 90 and his great grandfather 110 - which would make the 'Blue Manx' the oldest fighter pilot in living memory at the astonishing age of 60! You'll also note that the writer, Von Williams, left the ending of this particular ep ambiguous at best; you see Mayor Manx shoot down the new Enforcer jet, but it conveniently "explodes" in twenty fathoms of water so the viewer doesn't know for sure if that's the end or not. With 65 episodes planned at that point, it's safe to assume the answer is "not". -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 12:13:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA02547 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 11:44:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 10:36:37 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507051536.AA01084@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > The other thing you notice from the "Ghost Pilot" ep, is Mayor Manx >comments that the "Blue Manx" was his 'great-grandfather'. Man, 'Kats >must have _short_ lifespans, because Manx looks about 50-odd, his father >would have to be at least 70, his grandfather 90 and his great >grandfather 110 - which would make the 'Blue Manx' the oldest fighter >pilot in living memory at the astonishing age of 60! Beat me to the punch on this one, I noticed this too. A normal cat lives in the 15-20 year range. Of course, if they live in cat years then every one of ours is equavilent to 7 of theirs (I assume cat years=dog years) so the average kats age at death would be in the 130-140 years old range. One of the episodes I'd never seen before the marathon was "When Strikes Mutilator(?)". Didn't particularly care for the episode, but it got me to wondering if the Megakat Bay is an ocean bay or freshwater bay. Why would an individual want salt water (sticking to human thinking here), its useless for drinking and basic functions (I know they have converters that take the salt out of the water), and from "Ghost Pilot" there would have been barnicles all over the plane if it had been at the bottom of an ocean for 50 yrs. no matter how cold the water was. Still wondering how they chose the 12 eps. they did for the marathon, they weren't necessarily the "Best of.." and they definitely weren't shown in any order. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 13:43:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA03844 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:22:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 13:15:24 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Olga Message-ID: <9507051315.aa10075@polar.pica.army.mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >One more piece of bullshit like that, and I'll dump this mailing list >before you can say "Bingo". Keep your claws in, Dr. Konway (or whatever the Kat equivalent of "Keep your shirt on" is :). That spam has been finding its way onto a number of mailing lists. Hopefully it won't be back. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. "We tigers prefer to inflict excitement on others" --- Hobbes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 13:50:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA03845 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:22:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 13:17:30 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: If you miss the Marathon, hit Blockbuster... Message-ID: <9507051317.aa10102@polar.pica.army.mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > The three SwatKats videos are officially on the shelves at >Blockbuster USA for rent or sale as of this second. For those of us who >don't already know, Christian and Yvon Tremblay did the box art, and you >can check out the original drawings on the FTP site. There is supposed >to be a coupon for 5 bucks off future SK purchases contained within the >tape box presumably redeemable towards either the SNES 'Kat game or >future video purchases. For us Canadian fans, Mega Movies and Rogers >outlets are carrying the 'Kat vids (at least on their "available" lists). Does anyone know if these titles are out on laserdisc as well? >(p.s., how many listmembers managed to tape the whole Marathon, and how >long did it end up being?) I didn't. No Cartoon Network :( :( :( Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. "We tigers prefer to inflict excitement on others" --- Hobbes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 13:53:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA04295 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:32:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 13:29:47 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Message-ID: <9507051329.aa10150@polar.pica.army.mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > Check out "Ghost Pilot" -- you'll notice that the guard at the >museum states that "the plane looks pretty good for being 50 years old". >It's one of the fighter planes common to "Mega War II", but it's a >_bi-plane_, which were obsolete in our world at the end of 1918. The >'Kats have gone from biplane to upper-atmosphere capable jets in just >over fifty years - and it's taken us over 80. (Wonder what they flew in >"MegaWar I" -- kites?). This grated on me as well, but I just assumed that the writers who penned the MW2 lines were as ignorant of history as most residents of the US :) Biplanes didn't really become obsolete until the early 30's. On Earth that is :) > The other thing you notice from the "Ghost Pilot" ep, is Mayor Manx >comments that the "Blue Manx" was his 'great-grandfather'. Man, 'Kats >must have _short_ lifespans, because Manx looks about 50-odd, his father >would have to be at least 70, his grandfather 90 and his great >grandfather 110 - which would make the 'Blue Manx' the oldest fighter >pilot in living memory at the astonishing age of 60! The best thing I liked about the Blue Manx was the symbol on his plane - crossed golf clubs with golf balls above and below. At least something is in the genes of the Manxes; courage certainly isn't :) > You'll also note that the writer, Von Williams, left the ending of >this particular ep ambiguous at best; you see Mayor Manx shoot down the >new Enforcer jet, but it conveniently "explodes" in twenty fathoms of >water so the viewer doesn't know for sure if that's the end or not. With >65 episodes planned at that point, it's safe to assume the answer is "not". But if getting shot down by the descendant of his nemesis won't kill the Red Lynx, what will? I also noticed a _lot_ of clearly fatal air-to-air kills in this episode. Very refreshing compared to normal TV fare. Combat is not a safe thing to engage in after all. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. "We tigers prefer to inflict excitement on others" --- Hobbes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 19:43:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA09845 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 19:27:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 19:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: If you miss the Marathon, hit Blockbuster... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSITBYAQCI9D6PQ3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I taped the whole thing! It was 6 hours long (half of the eps!) The epsiodes, in order, were: Metal Urgency Enter the Madkat Bright & Shiny Future Mutation City When Strikes Mutilor Katastrophe Deadly Pyramid Giant Bacteria Metallikats The Pastmaster Always Destructive Nature Wrath of DarkKat -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 21:43:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA10981 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:38:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:52:49 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199507060152.SAA00444@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" Date: 6 Jul 1995 01:38:41 GMT Just picked up the three 'Kats videos from my Mega-Movies - but had to rent them as they didn't stock any for sale (Rogers either). There's a different cover for each video, reflecting the villain contained therein, and the titles break down like this: "Metallikats Attack" (H1162/ISBN 1-56039-373-4) "Strike of Dark Kat" (H1161/ISBN 1-56039-372-6) "Deadly Dr. Viper" (H1160/ISBN 1-56039-371-8) Other package art is taken mainly from the "Merchandising Guide" of which I'll soon have a copy, and has a reasonably lame description of the "SwatKats" concept that reads thus: "From the spectacular television cartoon series comes an awesome new animated action-packed video. Join the daredevil Swat Kats as they take on the forces of evil with a wild array of kool kat gadgets. From the super-charged Turbokat jet fighter to the radically racy Cyclotron motorcycle, they transform ordinary objects into krazy kat-traptions in the on-going crusade to protect Megakat City." Also, character descriptions with character poses from the marketing guide - T-Bone sitting on a 45 Gallon drum with a toothpick stuck in his puss, and Razor sitting on a stack of tires giving the "thumbs up" (I'll have full-size versions of these pics to put up on the FTP site in about a week or so). The descriptions go like this: JAKE CLAWSON: "Jake has a ball inventing wild and dangerous gadgets to keep the SWAT KATS' arsenal stocked." CHANCE FURLONG: "Easygoing and self-assured, Chance is always a magician when it comes to any type of vehicle repair." Pretty cool, but the episode(s) description (2 eps on each cassette) are somewhat lame. Oh yeah, for a real yuk, check out the logo for "Turner Home Video", it's some kind of Atlanta Plantation-style mansion straight out of "Gone with the Wind". "Frankly Ted, I don't give a damn..." (*NOT* currently available on LD, sorry.) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 5 23:47:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA12277 for kats-ll; Wed, 5 Jul 1995 23:29:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9507060328.AA19128@cisk> Subject: Re: Olga To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 20:28:53 PDT In-Reply-To: <9507051315.aa10075@polar.pica.army.mil> from "Ed Rudnicki" at Jul 5, 95 01:15:24 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 931 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Ed Rudnicki writes: > >One more piece of bullshit like that, and I'll dump this mailing list > >before you can say "Bingo". > > Keep your claws in, Dr. Konway (or whatever the Kat equivalent of > "Keep your shirt on" is :). That spam has been finding its way onto > a number of mailing lists. Hopefully it won't be back. I believe the matter has been resolved. Please don't drag it onto the list any further (I'm not going to mention any more of this incident myself after this post). However, I *did* receive a letter of explanation which did not go through to the list (and no, I'm not going to send it through -- in fact, I just deleted it from my mailqueue). ObSK: I have the SK marathon on tape, but I'm not sure if I have all of the episodes that aired (I used two VCRs since I managed to fill up one tape and partially start another). -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 00:13:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA12721 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 00:10:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9507060410.AA19350@cisk> Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 21:10:26 PDT In-Reply-To: <9507051329.aa10150@polar.pica.army.mil> from "Ed Rudnicki" at Jul 5, 95 01:29:47 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1703 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Ed Rudnicki writes: > >The 'Kats have gone from biplane to upper-atmosphere capable jets in > >just over fifty years - and it's taken us over 80. (Wonder what > >they flew in "MegaWar I" -- kites?). > > This grated on me as well, but I just assumed that the writers who > penned the MW2 lines were as ignorant of history as most residents > of the US :) Well, if Megakat City is more technologically advanced than our own, then who's to say they couldn't have developed stuff that quickly? Perhaps the Industrial Revolution (or its Kat-equivalent) hit Megakat City a lot sooner (or had more of a delayed action there) than it did the U.S. I know, I'm grasping at straws here, but... ;-) In other news, while rewatching the episode "The Giant Bacteria," I noticed a sign that's clearly marked "Megacat City Salvage Yard" (yes, it's spelled as I've typed it). Grr -- the city's name is spelled with a 'k', not a 'c'! Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. I think my fur's rubbed the right way, finally. > The best thing I liked about the Blue Manx was the symbol on his > plane - crossed golf clubs with golf balls above and below. At least > something is in the genes of the Manxes; courage certainly isn't :) So you're saying that Manx's speech about "there being a long tradition of courage and bravery in the Manx family" isn't true? ;-) Better not let him hear you say that... > But if getting shot down by the descendant of his nemesis won't kill > the Red Lynx, what will? Hmm. Maybe someone could consult a spiritual medium who'd conjure up the ghost of the Blue Manx and find out firsthand? -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 00:43:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA12996 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 00:29:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507060410.AA19350@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Well, if Megakat City is more technologically advanced than our own, then > who's to say they couldn't have developed stuff that quickly? Perhaps > the Industrial Revolution (or its Kat-equivalent) hit Megakat City a lot > sooner (or had more of a delayed action there) than it did the U.S. > > I know, I'm grasping at straws here, but... ;-) > > In other news, while rewatching the episode "The Giant Bacteria," I > noticed a sign that's clearly marked "Megacat City Salvage Yard" (yes, > it's spelled as I've typed it). Grr -- the city's name is spelled with > a 'k', not a 'c'! > > Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. I think my fur's rubbed the right > way, finally. Yeah, that's the first episode I eaver saw, and it grated ever since (shows up a _lot_ in the first season eps - guess they figured a bunch of ten year olds would let it slide -- something like the cancellation ;> > > The best thing I liked about the Blue Manx was the symbol on his > > plane - crossed golf clubs with golf balls above and below. At least > > something is in the genes of the Manxes; courage certainly isn't :) I didn't notice this the first time round, I had to look at the tape again once Ed pointed it out. There goes my "observer" qualification... > > But if getting shot down by the descendant of his nemesis won't kill > > the Red Lynx, what will? > > Hmm. Maybe someone could consult a spiritual medium who'd conjure > up the ghost of the Blue Manx and find out firsthand? If you think about it, given the number of villains introduced, and trying to avoid both the "Batman" style villain-recurrence and the "mad scientist of the week", going to 65 eps would've been quite the challenge. "Ghost Pilot" would _certainly_ have put in another appearance, otherwise the explosion after Manx hit him with the missile would've been played up considerably more for climax purposes. Recurring villains like Dark Kat just kind of disappeared into the distance all the time, as did the PastMaster (which will probably be "Tape 4", if they do any more). I thought the Germanic voice of the Red Lynx was a nifty link to 20th century RL history, and is yet another pointer that the 'Kat world seems to have similar geographic divisions and polarities as ours. I doubt they were originally intended to be _that_ much different. (another SKIQ bit for the bros. Tremblay). _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 09:13:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA16367 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 08:47:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 07:39:33 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507061239.AA01380@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: So what are the episodes on each tape??? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 09:44:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA17016 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 09:34:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 08:26:37 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507061326.AA01430@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Real-Life and death Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I think a couple of the best examples to show the Enforcer death totals, were The Deadly Pyramid, and When Strikes Mutilor. The giant mummies destroyed basically everything in their path, including jets and that bus (although you do see people running away from the bus, impressive after a roll down a hill), and the drone ships from Mutilor's pirated vessel made short work of most the Enforcer planes. The one thing that does occasionally annoy me is even after he goes through a side of a building or hits the ground nose first, is that Feral (either Commander or Lt., in the second season) just calls for chopper back-up. Now I understand that you can't kill off a major character so early in a show, but when most copters explode on impact, and his just gets totaled, I'd think even a 10 yr old would start to wonder if the commander gets a little more metal put in his chopper. Maybe he's got a newer model with airbags?? In regards to the person who said they couldn't see the action figures in the marathon. They didn't give you a clear shot, like they did in the commercials for the marathon. Look on the end table and on the floor around the table next to the chair Randy is sitting in, on the table there is a Jake and Chance, and on the floor there is four packages, presumably the four first run characters (Dr. V., DK, T-bone, Razor). Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 09:47:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA17122 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 09:40:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 06:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507061239.AA01380@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > > So what are the episodes on each tape??? 1) "Strike of DarkKat" has The Wrath of DarkKat and Night of the DarkKat 2) "Metallikats Attack" has The Metallikats and Metal Urgency 3) "Deadly Dr. Viper" has Destructive Nature and Katastrophe I watched the "Deadly Dr. Viper" one last night (well, I guess 1am qualifies it for "this morning"), and the video quality is _superb_ (there is also no evidence of Macrovision for those tempted to make copies). These are all first season episodes, and they've kept the first season opening sequence and title cards, but show only one credit sequence at the end of the two eps. There is also _no_ "Space Ghost" short to fill up the remainder of the tape (they're 45 minutes long) as I had earlier been led to believe. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 10:43:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA17839 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:15:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 10:09:05 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Message-ID: <9507061009.aa04503@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Ed Rudnicki writes: >> >The 'Kats have gone from biplane to upper-atmosphere capable jets in >> >just over fifty years - and it's taken us over 80. (Wonder what >> >they flew in "MegaWar I" -- kites?). >> >> This grated on me as well, but I just assumed that the writers who >> penned the MW2 lines were as ignorant of history as most residents >> of the US :) > >Well, if Megakat City is more technologically advanced than our own, then >who's to say they couldn't have developed stuff that quickly? Perhaps >the Industrial Revolution (or its Kat-equivalent) hit Megakat City a lot >sooner (or had more of a delayed action there) than it did the U.S. This could be true, but it still doesn't explain Mega War _2_. If MW2 was the equivalent of our Great War (WW1), then what was Mega War 1? The Great War couldn't have been fought more than a generation or two before it was, because the technology and logistic infrastructure weren't available for a global conflict. Unless of course Kats don't live all over their planet, such that a total conflict of that sort would take place over a smaller region. Also interesting was that the Red Lynx was "on the wrong side". I don't know that other Kat "nations" were ever touched upon that way, except of course for the Siamese, who are a different "race". >In other news, while rewatching the episode "The Giant Bacteria," I >noticed a sign that's clearly marked "Megacat City Salvage Yard" (yes, >it's spelled as I've typed it). Grr -- the city's name is spelled with >a 'k', not a 'c'! In "Ghost Pilot" hangar was spelled "hanger" once. The joys of overseas animation? :) >> The best thing I liked about the Blue Manx was the symbol on his >> plane - crossed golf clubs with golf balls above and below. At least >> something is in the genes of the Manxes; courage certainly isn't :) > >So you're saying that Manx's speech about "there being a long tradition >of courage and bravery in the Manx family" isn't true? ;-) Better not >let him hear you say that... Well maybe there is a tradition of courage and bravery in the family; it just manifests itself differently. The Blue Manx was brave without worrying about getting reelected :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. "We tigers prefer to inflict excitement on others" --- Hobbes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 10:49:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA18245 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:40:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 07:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Real-Life and death To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507061326.AA01430@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: ...Ian, do you use a 132 column monitor? The lines all wrapped, and it was like watching Wimbledon. > I think a couple of the best examples to show the Enforcer death totals, were > The Deadly Pyramid, and When Strikes Mutilor. > annoy me is even after he goes through a side of a building or hits the ground nose > first, is that Feral (either Commander or Lt., in the second season) just calls > for chopper back-up. Now I understand that you can't kill off a major character so > early in a show, but when most copters explode on impact, and his just gets totaled, > I'd think even a 10 yr old would start to wonder if the commander gets a little more > metal put in his chopper. Maybe he's got a newer model with airbags?? When Felina captured the Aquians fighter to use, that alien thing (_very_ reminiscent of something on "Mighty Max") was _very_ dead, and for some reason they chose to make sure the audience knew it. The "bring me chopper backup" think is actually _intended_ to be a running gag, as is Feral's almost perfect track record in crashing his craft in _exactly_ the same way (i.e, exterior cockpit shot from front, interior shot with visor half-missing when he speaks the immortal phrase). I think the sequence shows up almost unaltered in many episodes, whether Leopold wrote them or not. "Good...Callie's safe!" "...not the way _Feral_ flies!" > In regards to the person who said they couldn't see the action figures in the marathon. > They didn't give you a clear shot, like they did in the commercials for the marathon. > Look on the end table and on the floor around the table next to the chair Randy is > sitting in, on the table there is a Jake and Chance, and on the floor there is four > packages, presumably the four first run characters (Dr. V., DK, T-bone, Razor). I'd really like to see a frame-grab of this scene if someone who taped it has access to such hardware. Okay, Remco didn't even make prototypes of Jake and Chance, so chances are those figures are animator's models, and not toys at all. Remco _did_ make prototypes of the Metallikats and I believe a TurboKat, but none of these will hit the shelves. I _really_ wanted to get ac-figs of Jake and Chance, now I have to resort to skullduggery instead of anything more above board. Darn. Did Macho actively plug the 'Kats stuff, or just sit there doing his WWF loud-macho-posturing schtick? ("I TELL YA GENE...THIS GUY'S GOIN' DOWN!) _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 11:13:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA18617 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:03:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 09:55:20 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507061455.AA01477@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Also interesting was that the Red Lynx was "on the wrong side". I >don't know that other Kat "nations" were ever touched upon that way, >except of course for the Siamese, who are a different "race". In "Enter Madkat" the shop keeper that had the kat-in-the-box had a definite oriental sound to his voice and slanted eyes, but really didn't have the Siamese look. So, in him you have the possiblity of a MW2 baby. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 11:43:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA19467 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:43:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 10:24:00 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507061524.AA01508@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Real-Life and death Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >...Ian, do you use a 132 column monitor? The lines all wrapped, and it was > like watching Wimbledon. Sorry, I'll try to shorten it up!! >The "bring me chopper backup" think is actually _intended_ to be a running >gag, as is Feral's almost perfect track record in crashing his craft >in _exactly_ the same way (i.e, exterior cockpit shot from front, interior >shot with visor half-missing when he speaks the immortal phrase). I think >the sequence shows up almost unaltered in many episodes, whether Leopold >wrote them or not. I did realize this was meant to be a running gag, but I would like to see Feral layed up good once. In regards to the Macho Man: "OOH YEAH, I'm coming over from the WCW (remember this is Turner) and taking over the CARTOOOOON NNNNETWORK, YEAH". Sorry, no toy hype what so ever. In fact unless I'm mistaken it appeared that after the first 2 or 3 episodes they started replaying the same cuts of the MAcho Man. Just remember Randy is the Swatkats BIGGEST fan...right?!?!? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 11:51:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA19123 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:24:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 08:39:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507061455.AA01477@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > In "Enter Madkat" the shop keeper that had the kat-in-the-box had > a definite oriental sound to his voice and slanted eyes, but really didn't have the > Siamese look. So, in him you have the possiblity of a MW2 baby. Yeah, but wasn't he rather obviously intended to invoke images of the shopkeeper from the original "Gremlins" flick? As far as MW2 goes and whether or not the Siamese-Kats would fulfil the Japanese role in RL, why is it that I can't picture our 'Kat guys dropping Fat Boy on Katoshima? _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 11:56:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA18984 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:20:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 08:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507061009.aa04503@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > Unless of course Kats don't live all over their planet, such that a > total conflict of that sort would take place over a smaller region. "Lynx" had Germanic voice inflexions, just as Mr. Yung had Oriental, leading me to believe the 'Kat world is just as diverse as our own. You'll notice the Enforcers had an aircraft carrier in the same "Ghost Pilot" ep (no angled flight deck, sadly) which was _certainly_ not intended to defend MegaKat Bay! (it looked like an old Essex type with a hint of "Lexington"). > In "Ghost Pilot" hangar was spelled "hanger" once. The joys of > overseas animation? :) Don't forget "Cement Machingan" in "Unlikely Alloys" during the first TurboKat/Zed confrontations. Someone grab Razor by the scruff of the neck and teach that 'Kat how to spell. _____________________________________________________________________________ CALLIE: "Watch out for Feral, he'll be after your heads!" T-BONE: "...Razor _already_ is..." (rubbing back of head after close encounter of the cement machineGAN kind) --"Katastrophe" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 12:13:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA19560 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:48:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Turner -- less advanced than we? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Um, I don't know if this is intended as a "state of the union" address concerning the Turner empire, but the effect is the same. I couldn't say this earlier, but it's now public knowledge - so here goes: The show intended to replace SwatKats at Hanna-Barbera isss.... "Dumb and Dumber" Yeah, whatever. The most prolific SwatKats writer, Glenn Leopold, is writing scripts for this, so it might be a good effort, but is this _really_ the best Turner can come up with to replace _SwatKats_?! I don't know what this says about our 'Kats renewal chances, but it speaks volumes about the new mindset of the Turner org - the mind is set to "off". (Please don't mention the Glenn Leopold stuff around town, _it's_ not public info yet.) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 12:43:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA20242 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:31:54 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2ffc0fce3b41002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 11:31:10 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" Content-Length: 711 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill wrote: > I watched the "Deadly Dr. Viper" one last night (well, I guess 1am >qualifies it for "this morning"), and the video quality is _superb_ >(there is also no evidence of Macrovision for those tempted to make copies). No Macrovision is definitely good to hear, NOT because you can make copies but because Macrovision tends to degrade the video quality of a tape when it is used. By all means _buy_ these tapes if you're interested. They're cheap enough, and we should support the series and Turner Home Video's decision not to use Macrovision (Turner may be a clown, but his subsidiaries are capable of doing quality work, e.g., "The Golden Age of Looney Tunes" laserdisc sets). -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 13:13:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA20762 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:55:33 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2ffc155c53ab002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 11:54:52 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Content-Length: 556 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >In "Enter Madkat" the shop keeper that had the kat-in-the-box had >a definite oriental sound to his voice and slanted eyes, but really didn't >have the >Siamese look. So, in him you have the possiblity of a MW2 baby. Side note: I believe the actor who played the shopkeeper is the same guy who played Lian (sp?) Khan in THE SHADOW (w/Alec Baldwyn). I forget his name, but I believe he is Chinese or Chinese-American. He also played the ancient evil sorcerer in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA (w/Kurt Russel--one of the funniest movies of all time!). From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 13:20:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA20694 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:52:03 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2ffc1485504f002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 11:51:17 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Real-Life and death Content-Length: 1298 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy wrote: >On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: >> In regards to the person who said they couldn't see the action figures >> in the marathon. >> They didn't give you a clear shot, like they did in the commercials for >> the marathon. >> Look on the end table and on the floor around the table next to the >> chair Randy is >> sitting in, on the table there is a Jake and Chance, and on the floor >> there is four >> packages, presumably the four first run characters (Dr. V., DK, T-bone, >> Razor). > I'd really like to see a frame-grab of this scene if someone who >taped it has access to such hardware. Okay, I'll try. But if they were on that table then they were so small that I hardly noticed them and I doubt they would show up well on a frame grab. >...I _really_ wanted to get ac-figs of Jake and Chance, now I have >to resort to skullduggery instead of anything more above board. Darn. Forget that. I want a Callie Briggs action figure... :) > Did Macho actively plug the 'Kats stuff, or just sit there doing his >WWF loud-macho-posturing schtick? ("I TELL YA GENE...THIS GUY'S GOIN' DOWN!) No, to plugging of 'Kats stuff, and yes, to loud-macho-posturing schtick. How a person can grunt out those lines like he does without getting a hernia is beyond me... -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 13:45:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA21466 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:31:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Real-Life and death To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507061524.AA01508@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > I did realize this was meant to be a running gag, but I would like > to see Feral layed up good once. I would like to see this, him being a victim of his own arrogance, and having to be helped out by the Kat guys - perhaps in a life-threatening situation. Feral should be given the opportunity later in the same ep to return the favour, and maybe have a line of dialogue that goes: FERAL: "Don't read anything into this, vigilantes, I don't want to owe YOU TWO anything..." > In regards to the Macho Man: > "OOH YEAH, I'm coming over from the WCW (remember this is Turner) and > taking over the CARTOOOOON NNNNETWORK, YEAH". Sorry, no toy hype what > so ever. In fact unless I'm mistaken it appeared that after the first 2 > or 3 episodes they started replaying the same cuts of the MAcho Man. > Just remember Randy is the Swatkats BIGGEST fan...right?!?!? The sick thing about this whole TCN promo deal, is that someone over there wanted me involved in it, and even wanted to talk to the Tremblays. I would've solicited ideas from here if they ever called me back after the first contact, but it died right there. _Any_ one of us could've come up with something better than Macho-dude, and they wouldn't be complaining of slow video sales either. What an organization. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 14:14:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA21743 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:51:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <2ffc0fce3b41002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 6 Jul 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > No Macrovision is definitely good to hear, NOT because you can make copies > but because Macrovision tends to degrade the video quality of a tape when > it is used. > > By all means _buy_ these tapes if you're interested. They're cheap enough, > and we should support the series and Turner Home Video's decision not to > use Macrovision (Turner may be a clown, but his subsidiaries are capable > of doing quality work, e.g., "The Golden Age of Looney Tunes" laserdisc > sets). Ouch...yeah, I guess I left the "pirate" impression - but _please_ do purchase the tapes rather than copy them, every dollar you spend is money to Turner, but it's also a vote for the show. I merely mentioned the "copy" aspect because so far the tapes are only available for RENT everywhere I've looked in Canada, and I'm not a happy Kat. Like I said on the newsgroups, not everything Ted's ever done is clueless, but when he screws up, he does it in a BIG way. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 14:43:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA22149 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 14:14:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: (fwd) "Katastrophe": 'cartoony' KATS. (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:24:11 -0700 From: Andy Hill To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: (fwd) "Katastrophe": 'cartoony' KATS. Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: "Katastrophe": 'cartoony' KATS. Date: 6 Jul 1995 14:10:43 GMT I just caught "Katastrophe" on the new Turner Home Video SwatKats tape, and noticed something strange about the art. In most of the Kats eps, the animation steers completely clear of the "squash and stretch" aspects of animating, usually keeping the 'Kat guys and their interactions with solid objects fairly "realistic", as though they were actual beings. Check out "Katastrophe"; there are a few scenes where you have to actually stop and rewind them to "see what happened" on 'pause' -- the movements of the characters in a couple of spots seemed more at home on "Animaniacs". This was a Mook episode, but for some strange reason, in the scene where the 'Kats have to escape the cannery before the bomb goes off, check out Razor's "double take" as he both ducks and pushes Callie out of harms way. Later, in the same setup, look at Feral's face as he reacts to the impending explosion. Razor actually stretches in a really cartoony fashion to about half again his height, has a really cartoony look of "oh sh**", and then lunges forward, and Feral -- well, he "looks like he hasn't hit the litterbox in a week"! This is one of the "team-up" episodes with more than one of the familiar villains; DarkKat, Dr.Viper and the Metallikats. It's a fair episode, but because the bad-guy lines are spread among so many villains, you don't get the same kind of good guy/bad guy taunting that you do in a lot of the single adversary ones. Mac and Molly's dialogue is always fun, but here it just kind of lays there, and the "tension" you'd expect between such a disparate collection of ne'er-do-wells doesn't really happen save for some scenes at the outset, and at the conclusion. There are also some _very_ obvious deaths in this one; at the beginning when two donut snarfing security types get wolfed by Viper's mushroom-dude, and later when some of the Creeplings became appetizers. Gotta hand it to Dr. Viper, he seems to create the appetite first, and the creature around it. This ep has a great aspect I don't think we've seen in any of the other eps -- Feral actually openly assists the guys without any of his Enforcers, and also out of uniform (he's even back-to-back with Razor in one scene, looking out for each other in room full of bad-guys). The TurboKat gets wasted, unfortunately, but in a great scene at the end, Manx and Feral more or less agree to lend the 'Kats another jet until the city can replace the TurboKat (another fairly good argument, IMO, to support the idea that Feral actually _knows_ the Kat guys are ex-fighter jocks Jake and Chance). (Canadians, I strongly suggest getting to the vid-store before the wknd -- most Mega/Rogers stores only bought one copy of each of the three vids, and rent them out for a week at a time.) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 18:43:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA26010 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 18:15:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 18:16:14 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Message-ID: <9507061816.aa05527@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > As far as MW2 goes and whether or not the Siamese-Kats would fulfil >the Japanese role in RL, why is it that I can't picture our 'Kat guys >dropping Fat Boy on Katoshima? Neither can I, because there's no such device as "Fat Boy". The bombs were Little Boy and Fat Man. The Kats of course would use the Fat Kat :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl. "We tigers prefer to inflict excitement on others" --- Hobbes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 6 20:43:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA27558 for kats-ll; Thu, 6 Jul 1995 20:30:23 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2ffc7ff30f9c002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 95 19:29:39 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... Content-Length: 587 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I wrote: >Side note: I believe the actor who played the shopkeeper is the same guy >who played Lian (sp?) Khan in THE SHADOW (w/Alec Baldwyn). I forget his >name, but I believe he is Chinese or Chinese-American. He also played the >ancient evil sorcerer in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA (w/Kurt Russel--one >of the funniest movies of all time!). Correction: These two actors are not the same person. Khan was played by John Lone, and Lo Pan (the baddie in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA) was played by James Hong. Hong is the fellow who played the shopkeeper in "Enter MadKat." -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 08:14:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01952 for kats-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:52:41 -0400 Message-Id: From: mintedb@ndlc.occ.uky.edu (David Minter) Subject: This Friday's episode To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 06:46:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 426 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: What was it with the "This week on SWAT Kats..." FADE! House of Blues. FADE! "Today on SWAT Kats..." Think maybe Turner forgot that he had decided that SWAT Kats wasn't supposed to be shown on Fridays anymore and it was too late to stop it? Also, I'd never heard an episode that began with "This week on SWAT Kats..." before. It was always "Today-" Are there episode that begin this way other than Friday's? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 12:14:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA04875 for kats-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:52:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 10:44:57 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507071544.AA01985@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Comic/toy store disappointments.... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Another bad sign for the Kats..... When to the local Toy/Comic store yesterday to see what there was to see. Got to talking to the owner about the new and hot stuff for the next couple of months. Typically what he does is order a couple of cases of the hot stuff, and put his over inflated prices on them a week before the bigger stores get them, its great to see whats coming out before the K-Marts and WMs get them in. Anyhow, he got going on the new Star Wars and Spider-Man and X-everything, blah blah blah..... I mentioned Swatkats are due out anytime now, and got the blankest stare I believe I'd ever seen. Normally if this guy doesn't know what you're talking about he'll at least play along and put on a face for you. But he had no clue, not only about the figs. but the show as well. I was stunned!! He said usually he'll see a few things on the pre-order list he's never heard of before, but has received NOTHING with the SK on it. What going on with this is Tedco trying to prove the Kats are losers before they even get a chance?? Maybe he's looking for a big write-off this year to cover up Capt. Planet. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 7 21:14:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12437 for kats-ll; Fri, 7 Jul 1995 20:52:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 20:52:59 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: alt.tv.swatkats Propagation Message-ID: <9507072052.aa07985@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: It seems that I'm not getting all the articles that get posted to alt.tv.swatkats. The only ones I do see are those that are crossposted, such as to rec.arts.animation. I have this problem with a few other alt groups as well. Anyone else seeing this too? Ed From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 03:45:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA15435 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 03:38:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 00:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: alt.tv.swatkats Propagation To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507072052.aa07985@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > > It seems that I'm not getting all the articles that get posted to > alt.tv.swatkats. The only ones I do see are those that are crossposted, > such as to rec.arts.animation. I have this problem with a few other > alt groups as well. > > Anyone else seeing this too? Although I hate to admit it, so far a.t.s. is simply me talking to myself, and forwarding stuff to the list where appropriate. It wasn't really intended to duplicate the list, but so far the new blood I hoped would look for and find it hasn't occurred. The crossposted stuff is also from me, as I tend to lurk on the other groups and forward what I feel is appropriate for SwatKats. I'll keep doing it until I die of something, but it sure would be nice to hear something else on there besides the sound of my own voice. (waiting for the administrative "see, I told you so" from alt.config) _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 04:45:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA15673 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 04:17:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 01:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Comic/toy store disappointments.... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507071544.AA01985@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 7 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Another bad sign for the Kats..... > > I mentioned Swatkats are due out anytime now, and got the blankest > stare I believe I'd ever seen. Normally if this guy doesn't > know what you're talking about he'll at least play along and put > on a face for you. But he had no clue, not only about the figs. > but the show as well. I was stunned!! He said usually he'll > see a few things on the pre-order list he's never heard of before, > but has received NOTHING with the SK on it. > > What going on with this is Tedco trying to prove the Kats are > losers before they even get a chance?? Maybe he's looking > for a big write-off this year to cover up Capt. Planet. I hate being negative all the time, but someone passed me something in my mailbox yesterday which I passed to r.a.a. concerning Kats cancellation, budget cuts, and Turner's behaviour. If anyone wants it copied to the list, just ask, but essentially it points out that Joe Mazzuca was hired at the beginning of the second season specifically to trim down the budget (he's called "The Angel of Death" in the biz, because he mercilessly fires people in the name of budget cuts), and his success or lack of it may've contributed to the behaviour of Turner org at the time, and at present. Evidently, if Kats completed season two, and the show had good numbers, there was some aspect of the contract that would've ensured the show went to 65 episodes, with promotions for some of the crew, and I gather some profit sharing deal with Christian and Yvon. Well, Ted nicely cancelled it just short of the second season fulfillment, and didn't need to fulfill any of the contracts. This individual speculated that Turner couldn't afford _two_ 65 ep commitments, and decided to go with the wholly owned "Jonny Quest" rather than further pursue "SwatKats". There's a bunch of other skullduggery that led up to this information concerning Gary Owens being let go from "Space Ghost", but it's really only tangential to this list. Ask for details. Tedco's behaviour towards the toys and videos? I talked to my local vid store, who said they didn't receive any posters or display stuff for the 'Kats vids, which was considered _highly_ unusual. Toys and Video Game? Aside from the U.S. "Toys 'R 'Us" info I got from someone else, there has been _no_ information noted by anyone up here, in any store you ask. Ian mentioned some kind of blank stare concerning the toys....well, you'll get a similar blank stare if you ask about _any_ of the Kat products at the moment, Turner isn't advertising, promoting, or caring about what happens. I am guessing from here. The pointers I've seen toward something happening are the announcement of the new projects they're doing ("Cave Kids", "Dumb and Dumber"), the ABA convention, the licensing convention, our phone calls not being returned, and the total lack of support for the merchandise lead me to believe one thing: Turner doesn't want to promote something he's going to have to spend money on. Face it, he already owns "Scooby" and "The Flintstones" and doesn't have to spend a single dime to air and derive income from those properties, yet if he pursues Kats in any fashion, he does. I had a friend call H-B and see if his calls would be returned, being wholly innocent, not like some of us more "vocal" types - and his calls weren't returned either. This TCN promotion of Kats was originally going to be big deal, and they wanted my/our input, but then fell strangely silent; likely because someone from up the ladder ordered them not to pursue the issue - so they got Macho to do lip-service to the program, not taking even the *slightest* opportunity to push the goods. Turner took out that big ad awhile back stating "new episodes, action figures, video games, the works!" for 1995 - now he's headed off legal questions by doing just that - though he simply fulfilled the letter of the agreement and not the spirit - giving us just "katseye news" as the "new episodes for 1995", and the toys and videos without _any_ marketing backup. "Animation Magazine" last month had a _ton_ of Hanna-Barbera stuff in it, but not a single "logo" throughout the whole magazine contained a "SwatKat" - they even dredged up Magilla Gorilla and Atom Ant to fill the spots, but specifically avoided the 'Kat guys. I may be paranoid or whatever, but too many coincidences add up to something altogether different, and that's where I think we're at now. I told H-B that I'd leave the political stuff out of the Swatkats newsgroup, but I'm sure as hell free to do what I like on r.a.a., "noise" or otherwise. This behaviour from such a "respected" organization is inexcusable. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 18:15:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA19739 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 18:07:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 15:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: (fwd) Re: Cartoon Voices/Owens (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I know some of us avoid newsgroups like the plague, but I've written some more Kats stuff falling into the realm of Turner-bashing, and attracted the following response from Mark Evanier, who for those of us who don't recognize the name is an animation industry fixture, and very well respected for being a "balanced" individual concerning his comments on the industry. Anyway, in case I misled people on the whole "Dumb and Dumber" thing, here's Mark's correction. _____________________________________________________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 15:03:31 -0700 From: Andy Hill To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: (fwd) Re: Cartoon Voices/Owens From: evanier@ix.netcom.com (Mark Evanier ) Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation Subject: Re: Cartoon Voices/Owens Date: 7 Jul 1995 01:47:30 GMT Andy Hill wrote in (someoverlylongmessageidIdon'trecall): >Yeah, whatever. No, I don't suppose everything Ted's ever done is >clueless, else he wouldn't be where he is today, right? "10 or so >friends", sorry pal, go grab a Neilsen chart. Do you know what's >replacing "SwatKats" and Donovan Cook's "Two Stupid Dogs"? How about >"Dumb and Dumber" and "Cave Kids". ME: No, those shows aren't replacing "SwatKats" and "Two Stupid Dogs." The decision to cease them and to start the new shows are completely independent of each other. "SwatKats" and "Two Stupid Dogs" were stopped because someone at Turner weighed the cost of their production with their cash return and decided that they were not cost-effective. I'm not saying this decision was correct or incorrect. It may have been a stupid decision. But it was made on that basis. And despite your attempts to use them as a psychoanalysis of Ted Turner, I doubt he had much or anything to do with the decision. If he did, it was simply a matter of the numbers, not an indictment of the quality of the shows. "Dumb and Dumber" is being done because ABC wanted a show based on the movie. I believe the decision to do the show preceded the decision to do it at Hanna-Barbera. New Line Cinema did the movie and they are a division of Turner Entertainment...so, to keep the project in-house, the deal was steered to H-B, which has otherwise stayed pretty much away from network Saturday morn production lately. This is a little different from the "SwatKats" deal since this is a case of someone paying H-B to produce a show, not of Turner investing his own money. (If H-B had said no, "Dumb and Dumber" would have been produced at DIC or some other studio. H-B saying no would not have brought "Two Stupid Dogs" back in syndication.) (By the way, the execs at ABC who bought "Dumb and Dumber" have since been fired.) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Me again. I guess I've technically been flamed, but this is info I didn't have, and Mark was very honest concerning his "I'm not saying" line so it's worth the extra heat. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 19:44:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20134 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:14:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 19:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Real-Life and death To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSMZURRZB29D7D2Y@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > I'd really like to see a frame-grab of this scene if someone who >taped it has access to such hardware. Sorry about the delay! I _do_ have the frame of the close up saved on the computer, I'm just having trouble getting it to Paul for the ftp site... I'll try again soon! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 19:47:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20421 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:43:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 19:42:55 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSN0UU2HAW9D7RJV@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > I merely mentioned the "copy" aspect because so far the tapes are only >available for RENT everywhere I've looked in Canada, and I'm not a >happy Kat. I've not been able to find the videos _anywhere_, for rent or purchase. So far, I've checked 3 Blockbuster video rental stores and a Blockbuster Music store (in their video section) with no luck. Anyone in the MI-OH area seen these videos yet? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 19:49:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20356 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:38:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 19:37:52 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: (fwd) 'KATS more advanced than we... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSN0OJ76OY9D7RJV@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >>Neither can I, because there's no such device as "Fat Boy". >>The bombs were Little Boy and Fat Man. >The Kats of course would use the Fat Kat :) Ahhh, be careful.. Don't want any Disney copyright infringement! ;-) Anyway, it's quite obvious that Kats are more technologically advanced than we are. Take the Cybertron for instance. How many artificial intelligence machines do we have operating? Also, the 2 mega robots created by Prof. Haggel (?) for space exploration and built by Pumadyne for weapons of destruction. Last I heard, NASA's robot, Dante, didn't fair too well just descending into a volcano. The Metallikats themselves are quite an achievement! Although it's true that Kats can't spell , their technology is _far_ more advanced than ours. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 20:14:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20513 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:54:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Video promotional stuff on TBS/TCN To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: A member of the r.a.a. lurker legion tells me that there have indeed been promo spots for the SK home videos airing several times on TBS and TCN. This individual has heard of a possible product tie-in to a major retailer, and will let me know the details when available. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 9 00:14:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA21584 for kats-ll; Sat, 8 Jul 1995 23:44:31 -0400 From: August Yang Message-Id: <199507090344.XAA13631@ritz.mordor.com> Subject: SWAT Kats Vid Game... To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 23:44:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 686 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: If any of you have been tear your hair (like I have) trying to find this game, it's time to take five. A friend of mine who works at WaldenSoftware has told me that it's supposed to be released in July. July 28, that is. As soon as I get my act together and get a copy, I may post a review. Provided I can find the time somehow... August Paul Yang has been having some of the strangest dreams concerning the Kats... __ wntrmute@ritz.mordor.com | For my Life Public Relations and Official Test Audience for the FDC | Still ahead, "Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? | Pity me. -Queen Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it?" -Max Headroom From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 08:44:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04404 for kats-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:37:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 07:29:15 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507101229.AA02570@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 8 18:41:42 1995 Return-Path: From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" To: kats@sard.mv.net X-Vms-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Content-Length: 406 X-Lines: 11 > I merely mentioned the "copy" aspect because so far the tapes are only >available for RENT everywhere I've looked in Canada, and I'm not a >happy Kat. I've not been able to find the videos _anywhere_, for rent or purchase. So far, I've checked 3 Blockbuster video rental stores and a Blockbuster Music store (in their video section) with no luck. Anyone in the MI-OH area seen these videos yet? -Matt ----- End Included Message ----- Same problem in the southrn IL/IN region, no videos for purchase or rent. Wal-Mart, K-Marts, TRU (bad sign in my opinion), Block- busters...nada. I guess Andy's MMPR to SK comparison was right. Sad, but True!!!! Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 10:14:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA05074 for kats-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:03:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:20:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507101229.AA02570@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Same problem in the southrn IL/IN region, no videos for purchase > or rent. Wal-Mart, K-Marts, TRU (bad sign in my opinion), Block- > busters...nada. I guess Andy's MMPR to SK comparison was right. > Sad, but True!!!! > > Ian Well, this is crap. I just looked at the "DarkKat" tape, and the backgrounds are damn beautiful - didn't come through on the broadcast versions. I'll try and get on the phone at work, though it's all LD for me, and try and call Blockbuster's head office. I wish someone down there would beat me to this - just call your local store and ask for the number to the head office and start asking pointed questions. We have "Block" in Canada too, but the H.O. may be different from the US ones. I've got a pile of questions for Christian, and I'll add this video and game deal to the list. I actually _hate_ being right when it comes to negative 'Kats stuff. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 13:45:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA07752 for kats-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:35:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 12:35:13 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507101735.AA02868@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Cartoons aren't just for kids.... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Not really on topic, but I feel this is important enough. Caught "At the Movies" or whatever Siskel and Ebert's show is now last night. They did a review of "Mask of the Phantasm" the movie inspired by the BTAS. Siskel said something to the effect that he rented it at home and had Ebert watch it as well, because they had never reviewed it 2+ years ago. Siskel was so impressed by the quality of the animation and the story, that he gave an entusastic thumbs up. The reason I'm posting this is because of the statement that was made at the end of the review:(paraphrased) "Quality animation like this helps to clarify that animation isn't *just for kids* anymore. We really dropped the ball on not reviewing this movie when it came out. Worth renting." I can't help but think that if the two supreme gods of review have realized this that studios may not be far behind, and that something like the Kats movie may actually become a reality someday soon. Wishfully thinking Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 10 20:44:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA13045 for kats-ll; Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:42:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:45:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Clark Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" To: kats@sard.mv.net cc: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Andy Hill wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > > > Same problem in the southrn IL/IN region, no videos for purchase > > or rent. Wal-Mart, K-Marts, TRU (bad sign in my opinion), Block- > > busters...nada. I guess Andy's MMPR to SK comparison was right. > > Sad, but True!!!! > > > > Ian > > Well, this is crap. I just looked at the "DarkKat" tape, and the > backgrounds are damn beautiful - didn't come through on the broadcast > versions. I'll try and get on the phone at work, though it's all LD for > me, and try and call Blockbuster's head office. I wish someone down > there would beat me to this - just call your local store and ask for the > number to the head office and start asking pointed questions. We have > "Block" in Canada too, but the H.O. may be different from the US ones. > I've got a pile of questions for Christian, and I'll add this video and > game deal to the list. I actually _hate_ being right when it comes to > negative 'Kats stuff. > Ok, you SHOULD be able to get the videos wherever you are. I work at a Mega Movies store here and Canada, our store and most of our competitors, will order movies for customers if they request them. The base price (wholesale) for these movies were around $7.50 Canadian, so my guess is that they would be probably around the $12.99 mark. Your best bet to order them though, is to go in on a slow day, (not on a Friday or Saturday night) but during the week when they have nothing better to do like a Tuesday or something and ask them. If they can't find it in thier book, you must explain that it has JUST come out, and won't be in there. To make it easier, give them the item numbers, (the numbers on the spine of the video cover) Then ask them to phone their distributor, and find out if it's available. It may take a few weeks, but if you keep bugging them, it will eventually come in. This is probably the type of answer you're going to get from the head office places, so hopefully this will save you a phone call/postage stamp. :) Sometimes the store will ask for a deposit before they order a title, but that's rare on the lower prices ones. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x RL: Brad D. Clark Furtoonia: Orwin Raccoon x x bradc@unix.infoserve.net FIDO: 1:153/969 x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 19:45:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA27098 for kats-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:35:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:34:53 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Action figures! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSR7FWWF769APYU5@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Finally! I got my stupid mail program to work! The screen grab of the T-Bone & Razor action figures is on the ftp site. This grab comes from the commercial advertising the 4th of July marathon with Randy Savage. Anyway, the reason this grab came up was from the original question: Are these, in fact, the _actual_ action figures that will be sold in stores? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 19:49:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA27152 for kats-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:42:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: (fwd) Video Stuff:"Kat-Traptions?" To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSR7OVE4VC9APYU5@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > Ok, you SHOULD be able to get the videos wherever you are. I work >at a Mega Movies store here and Canada, our store and most of our >competitors, will order movies for customers if they request them. The I asked a guy at a Borders Books & Music store and he said that they weren't even available to order. That is, they weren't available from their warehouse. And since MI is the location of the main office & distribution, chances are you'd have better luck somewhere else. I'm going to try Blockbuster Music again & see what they have to say. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 20:15:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA27284 for kats-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:51:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Action figures! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSR81RPSYS9APYU5@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Oh, sorry! I forgot to mention the ftp site: pumadyne.rat.org /pub/kats/images I think that's the current name! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 22:15:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28505 for kats-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:11:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:11:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Action figures! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Oh, sorry! I forgot to mention the ftp site: > > pumadyne.rat.org > /pub/kats/images It's /pub/kats/images/promo/sk-figs.jpg It's only 18K, so you should all download it! I asked at my local Kay-bee and the manager there had no idea if they were getting them. :-( On to toys-r-us tomorrow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 11 22:45:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA28709 for kats-ll; Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:37:14 -0400 From: Matmilam@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:36:32 -0400 Message-Id: <950711223632_112891682@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Please Read!!! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This is Matthew Milam. I am sorry for subscribing and unsubscring, but i'm looking for a new provider and a think a found one and i'm going to test it out. My new address will be: Matmilam@tezcat.com Please forgive me.... Matmilam From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 08:45:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA02342 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:36:40 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9507120835.ZM21354@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:35:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "(fwd) Re: SwatKats: More "Gaia" than Planet... (fwd)" (Jun 19, 9:05pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Times of the year Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Morning everyone, I was watching the madkat episode this morning and I noticed at the end of the episode that there is a calendar on the wall of the guys apartment with the month of July, with 2 1/2 weeks X'd out. It seems that all the episodes we see occur in the summer. Has anyone seen any other dates or months in the various episodes. It would be interesting to create a timeline based on SwatKat dates and not dates of episode creation. You get to see Lt. Steele's nameplate with the spelling used in this episode. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 09:15:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA02779 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:13:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 08:13:01 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507121313.AA03528@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Kat terrain.... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: One of the things I find interesting about MegaKat city is what the size of this place must be. I mean the city is built around or on a bay, they have islands in this bay, and they have volcanic activity on both the island and inland somewhere. One of the things I find interesting about MegaKat city is what the size of this place must be. I mean the city is built around or on a bay, they have islands in this bay, and they have volcanic activity on both the island and inland somewhere. At first, it kinda had a New York feel, but now I'd lean more to a Honalulu, or other Hawaiian spot. Has there ever been a case where someone is looking at a map of the "city"?? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 09:45:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA03068 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:34:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Times of the year To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507120835.ZM21354@tekdev-10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > Morning everyone, > I was watching the madkat episode this morning and I noticed at the end > of the episode that there is a calendar on the wall of the guys apartment with > the month of July, with 2 1/2 weeks X'd out. > > It seems that all the episodes we see occur in the summer. Has anyone > seen any other dates or months in the various episodes. It would be interesting > to create a timeline based on SwatKat dates and not dates of episode creation. > > You get to see Lt. Steele's nameplate with the spelling used in this > episode. Heh! I was just about to write on the very subject concerning "Wrath of the Dark Kat". I watched it on Sunday night (from the new rental cassette) and noticed the very same calendar on the wall, and pausing it revealed that it was also July - July 9th to be exact. Guess what? That very Sunday I watched the ep _was_ "July 9th"! Every time the inside of Jake and Chance Garage is shown, the calendar reads July when it's in the shot, so I don't know how you'd do the "timeline". Um, speaking of "timeline", how did the Metallikats end up in the Enforcer evidence locker in "Katastrophe" when each time they meet their doom they're picked up by Prof. Hackle? Hmmm. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 10:15:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA03356 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:01:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 07:04:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Just got a _TON_ of Kats reference materiel... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I had such a lousy day yesterday until the mail came, then WOW! I've now got a full-colour copy of the "Hanna-Barbera SwatKats Style Guide", which they spent something like 20,000 bucks on. What is is basically is colour (and b&w line art) of all the characters, (yes, Callie-droolers, she's in there too), the TurboKat, and full-color shots of some of the merchandise they were going to produce - including stuff that was targeted at _ADULTS_ (including one helluva cool leather "Flying Tigers" type of fighter-pilot jacket with the "SK" flashes and a bunch of other patches - SK "Claw Marks" on one shoulder, and your choice of "Razor" or "T-Bone" as the name on the thing). Lance Falk wrote the whole "style guide", and Michael Swanigan essentially copied Lance's character descriptions and ep summaries _verbatim_ (with Mike's own unique spelling arrangement, natch) in his now-famous "Toon" magazine article. I've also got two unused script premises written by Lance Falk, and Lance Falk plus Eric Clark, which are _very_ cool, and would've made fine episodes if certain individuals hadn't cancelled the series. Anyway, I don't know how much of this stuff I can put up on the list, I've got to do some asking around - but all of it is of great interest to Kats fans, and not damaging to H-B, so I don't see the problem. The only drag might be the images in the "Style Guide", as it was only supposed to be shown to the licensees - but, well - I'll ask. On the early draft of the "Style Guide", you could tell that Lance was _really_ enthusiastic about the show. This description didn't make it into the glossy version, but by reading it you can tell the guy's general mindset, and that of others working on the project. Sadly, this following bit also comes off somewhat ironic given the events which have unfolded since: ON TARGET MARKETING: Now Turner Marketing is taxying for take-off with a wide-appeal program capturing this radical fun in merchandise, packaging, p.o.p. and a hangtag program that will wow the broad spectrum of its target audience. All kids will love the non-stop video game- like action, the energetic rock&roll music, the bright, cutting edge comic book-like graphics, **..and the appealing yet tough animal characters. (!!!)** (emphasis is mine - AH) I am tempted to cross this last bit to alt.fan.furry without the attributions to Falk - any comments? _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 10:45:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA03586 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:19:12 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9507121017.ZM21585@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:17:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: Chance "Re: Times of the year" (Jul 12, 6:37am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Times of the year Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jul 12, 6:37am, Chance wrote: > Subject: Re: Times of the year > On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > > > Morning everyone, > > I was watching the madkat episode this morning and I noticed at the end > > of the episode that there is a calendar on the wall of the guys apartment with > > the month of July, with 2 1/2 weeks X'd out. > > > > It seems that all the episodes we see occur in the summer. Has anyone > > seen any other dates or months in the various episodes. It would be interesting > > to create a timeline based on SwatKat dates and not dates of episode creation. > > > > You get to see Lt. Steele's nameplate with the spelling used in this > > episode. > > Heh! I was just about to write on the very subject concerning "Wrath > of the Dark Kat". I watched it on Sunday night (from the new rental > cassette) and noticed the very same calendar on the wall, and pausing it > revealed that it was also July - July 9th to be exact. Guess what? That > very Sunday I watched the ep _was_ "July 9th"! > > Every time the inside of Jake and Chance Garage is shown, the > calendar reads July when it's in the shot, so I don't know how you'd do > the "timeline". Um, speaking of "timeline", how did the Metallikats end > up in the Enforcer evidence locker in "Katastrophe" when each time they > meet their doom they're picked up by Prof. Hackle? Hmmm. The Dark Kat episode was on the 9th, MadKat was in the 13th to 17th range. It looks like the time line is starting to form. July is a hell of a time in MegaKat city. The question is does the calendar change with each episode or is it part of the static background. If we get the change, the time line forms. The enforcers may of noticed and taken the heads away from him. After the seccond time, I don't think I would keep giving them back to get rebuilt to destroy the city. Seems kind of fruitless to keep giving Prof. Hackle the heads only to have Mack and Molly reappear distroying another set of the city. > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" > - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", > after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a > "gentle history lesson" > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > >-- End of excerpt from Chance -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 12:15:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA05078 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:14:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:13:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Kat terrain.... In-Reply-To: <9507121313.AA03528@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > One of the things I find interesting about MegaKat city is what the > size of this place must be. I mean the city is built around or on > a bay, they have islands in this bay, and they have volcanic activity > on both the island and inland somewhere. One of the things I find > interesting about MegaKat city is what the size of this place must be. > I mean the city is built around or on a bay, they have islands in this bay, > and they have volcanic activity on both the island and inland somewhere. > At first, it kinda had a New York feel, but now I'd lean more to a I got the New York feel after seeing David Litterbin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 12:45:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA05492 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:37:10 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <3003fa07151e002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 11:36:23 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Just got a _TON_ of Kats reference materiel... Content-Length: 55 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Any comments? Yeah, where can I get a copy? :) -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 17:45:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA09678 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:26:05 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: alt.tv.swatkats Propagation In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 08 Jul 1995 03:54:13 EDT. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:25:25 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jul12.172543edt.45848@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Chance: > (waiting for the administrative "see, I told you so" from alt.config) nah, not likely. I'll send out a booster newgroup today for alt.tv.swatkats, to try to improve its connectivity/propagation. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 19:45:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11103 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:44:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Times of the year To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSSM323E209D92D3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > I was watching the madkat episode this morning and I noticed at the >end of the episode that there is a calendar on the wall of the guys >apartment with the month of July, with 2 1/2 weeks X'd out. It >seems that all the episodes we see occur in the summer. Has anyone seen any >other dates or months in the various episodes. It would be interesting I've noticed this also. I can't remeber which ep. it was, but I commented earlier on a calendar I saw with the month of July written on it. No numbers were on it, but it looked like there were about 8 weeks to the month & about 10 days in each week! I've also noticed a calendar that appears to have a "pin-up" picture on it. Anyone else catch this? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 20:15:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11143 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:51:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Just got a _TON_ of Kats reference materiel... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSSMBRBNM69D92D3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill wrote: > I am tempted to cross this last bit to alt.fan.furry without the >attributions to Falk - any comments? Do it! It might generate some enthusiasm about the merchandise & renewal of the show! Although you might get in a bit of trouble if someone important finds out you've been giving away secret info. But then again, the series is cancelled, so what can they do?! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 12 20:20:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11188 for kats-ll; Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:55:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: alt.tv.swatkats Propagation To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSSMG51Z449D92D3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >I'll send out a booster newgroup today for alt.tv.swatkats, to try to >improve its connectivity/propagation. I've just created my first *original* fan artwork and am going to send it to Paul. With his and Dana's approval it'll be on the ftp site soon and it contains info on the ftp site and the name of the usenet hierarchal name. If everyone agrees that it's a good enough "ad" for the show, I'll *attempt* to put it out in the binaries groups (however, I only have access to a.p.b.furry & a.toon-pics) -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 10:46:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA17244 for kats-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:23:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 07:26:41 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507131426.HAA13987@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Wrath of DKat - didya notice.. Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Wrath of DKat - didya notice.. Date: 11 Jul 1995 14:02:47 GMT When everyone _does_ manage to get a hold of the tapes, you'll notice that the quality is _far_ above what we're used to seeing on the broadcast end of things. The colour (especially BG) is just fantastic. Anyway, I just watched the ep for something like the sixtieth time, and noticed a few things. One, in the Megacat (sic) City Salvage Yard, as the camera pans to "Jake and Chance Garage" - check out the sign above the garage door. It says (and I'm not making this up): "Ask about our two-for-one Steering Wheel Special" Heh! Couldn't notice that before because the pic-quality was too lousy. This sign is GONE from all the subseqent eps that I can see, and I think it was removed because it represented some kind of comment about the corporate leadership. Heh! Cool couple of things from this ep, did you notice that when DarkKat drops the bomb with Razor clinging to the top, and he laughs maniacally from the cockpit, that the sound of his laughter trails away as the bomb drops, as though the viewer was actually Razor? After Razor cuts the wires ("DarkKat, you miserable psycho!") and he parachutes off of the bomb which plows into Enforcer headquarters - he plug his ears with his fingers in case the bomb went off! (Man, those multi-megaton explosions can be sooooo noisy). When you look at the fight scene with DarkKat and the Creeplings in DarkKat's lair, check out T-Bone's boxing strategy - he leads with his left all the time, as he does in some of the other eps like "Katastrophe" - consistently. Oh yeah, nearly forgot. I love the "flashback" sequence from this ep showing the history of Jake and Chance getting drummed out of the Enforcers, but what's the deal with that piece of paper that Feral has in his hand, but doesn't refer to? I _suppose_ it's the bill for the Enforcer bldg damage? Also, they mention a bunch of other animal-citizens of the Katworld (one of which I just noticed is "Junkyard Raccoon"), but what, exactly, is Lt. Steel? He looks more like a fox-thing than he does any kind of Kat... (yes, I do know my header is messed up) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 21:18:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25267 for kats-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:14:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: alt.tv.swatkats Propagation To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <95Jul12.172543edt.45848@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Felix Lee wrote: > Chance: > > (waiting for the administrative "see, I told you so" from alt.config) > > nah, not likely. > > I'll send out a booster newgroup today for alt.tv.swatkats, to try to > improve its connectivity/propagation. Cool. One of the problems is we already have a lot of the "target audience" on the mailing list, and no one feels the need (except myself, of course) to duplicate what they say in both spots. Delphi and America On-Line picked it up rather early, and I'm _very_ surprised we haven't had some posters from there. Hmm. If anyone can post Dana's FAQ to the newgroup, please do - I don't have the ability within the framework of my ISP, and those I've asked so far have either been unable, reluctant, or simply too darn busy. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 13 21:45:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25321 for kats-ll; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:21:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:25:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Just got a _TON_ of Kats reference materiel... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HSSMBRBNM69D92D3@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Andy Hill wrote: > > I am tempted to cross this last bit to alt.fan.furry without the > >attributions to Falk - any comments? > > Do it! It might generate some enthusiasm about the merchandise & renewal of > the show! Although you might get in a bit of trouble if someone important > finds out you've been giving away secret info. But then again, the series is > cancelled, so what can they do?! Well, they could sue me, and with practice I could probably really care less - what I want to avoid is bringing down heat on Katfriends - and I think I can manage it so as to avoid both. Personally, I thrive on trouble - whether causing it or dealing with it - so they're quite welcome to try. Right now, I despise certain individuals over there _almost_ as much as I like the Kats, so perhaps they better learn to duck r.a.a. for awhile, instead of me worrying about their legal-beagles. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 08:45:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28472 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:24:12 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: alt.tv.swatkats Propagation In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:18:46 EDT. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:23:41 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jul14.082348edt.46194@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > If anyone can post Dana's FAQ to the newgroup, please do ok, done. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 11:15:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00313 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:00:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:04:38 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507141504.IAA26152@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Burke&Murray: They're Brothers! Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Path: news.infoserve.net!unix.infoserve.net!chance From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Chance) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Burke&Murray: They're Brothers! Date: 14 Jul 1995 15:05:05 GMT Organization: Infoserve Technology Ltd. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3u6131$6m2@news.infoserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix.infoserve.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Mike Swanigan's 'SwatKats' article in Toon left out the ancilliary character descriptions, but I came across the ones for 'Burke and Murray' from an H-B outline. EXCERPT BEGINS: "Burke and Murray": These two creeps give a bad meaning to brotherly love. Burke and Murray used to operate the MegaKat City Salvage Yard. When Jake and Chance were assigned to run the place, these sadistic siblings got "promoted" to hauling scrap for the city. Burke and Murray love nothing more than putting down our two heroes, teasing them because of their "lowly" station. Little do these brothers realize that their victims are really the famous Swat Kats! In fact, the city scrap they sadistically dump on Chance and Jake's doorstop provides the perfect raw material for all the Swat Kat equipment including the Turbokat itself! That's Chance and Jake for you, give 'em a lemon, and they'll make lemonade! BURKE The big oaf is as strong as an ox, if not as bright! He's just spoiling for an excuse to mix it up with the burly Chance to see who's tougher, little realizing that the incognito Swat Kat could kick his tail in about a minute flat! MURRAY The "smart" one, for what _that's_ worth! A fast talking wiseguy with a sarcastic streak about a mile wide, he loves to bait Jake with a barrage of cruel words, never suspecting that his sparring partner is none other than the agile minded Swat Kat, Razor! END OF EXCERPT Burke and Murray (and for that matter, Jake and Chance) follow the standard H-B formula throughout history of pairing villains and heroes alike in a "short and tall" fashion (Dastardly and Muttley, Fred and Barney, Ted and Jane ). Realistically, I think Burke and Chance would make a fairly even fight - Burke's size roughly approximates Chance's greater 'smarts', but in the Jake/Murray matchup - no contest; Razor would avoid getting involved until it became absolutely unavoidable, then Murray would become an airborne virus. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 11:45:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00598 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:20:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: alt.tv.swatkats Propagation To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <95Jul14.082348edt.46194@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 14 Jul 1995, Felix Lee wrote: > > If anyone can post Dana's FAQ to the newgroup, please do > > ok, done. This brings up a "connectivity" issue - if not enough sites carry the group, doesn't internet come up with the equivalent of a "you can't get there from here" error when forwarding articles? I find it _very_ hard to believe that none of the aol.com crew has posted anything to the group - not even Spam. The FAQ has yet to arrive at my site - how many people actually are receiving an empty group? _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 12:16:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA01391 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 12:12:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 11:11:52 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507141611.AA04333@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Kat konnections Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I'm running on netscape, and I am still getting a "no such group" on the alt.* So, if anyone knows who to contact, or how...let me know and I'd be glad to contact them. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 12:39:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA01003 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:46:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: new file at pumadyne.rat.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Thanks to Matt Weber for this one. And no, I didn't put him up to it. :-) ftp://pumadyne.rat.org/pub/kats/images/fanart/puma-ad.gif ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 21:15:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA06427 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 20:55:07 -0400 From: August Yang Message-Id: <199507142055.UAA18070@tribeca.ios.com> Subject: More info on the SWAT Kats vidgame.. To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 20:55:27 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5403 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Well, looking inside this month's Electronic Gaming Monthly yeilded a quick peek at the SWAT Kats video game due out this July 28. It has a two-page feature spread, which could be look at in two way. 1) The game is quite good and may generate interest in the cartoon in the young males demographics group or 2) the 16 bit game arena is really waning and they're desparate for filler. It may be a combination of these two things. Still, it does look very good (in fact, I've reserved a copy at my local WaldenSoftware), but the plot appears to be vastly different than what we were told in that initial posting. First of all, I don't think Callie is a captive in this video game. The "worlds" that the Kats go through don't seems to suggest it (the reason they're called "worlds" and not "levels" I'll explain later). The first world is based on "The Giant Bacteria" episode. The Kats have to fight through the city defeating the underlings of said Bacteria, before going on the the big guy himself. The second world, Madkat has returned and has kidnapped the city's children. You must enter MadKat's amusement park and find the kids. The third world is based on the episode where the Kats are sent into the past by the Pastmaster and wind up in medevil times. Defeat the Pastmaster to return to the present. Noticibly absent from the list of main enemies are the Metalikats and DarkKat (I'm assuming Dr. Viper is somewhere in the "Giant Bacteria" world), but there usually more "worlds" in video games like SWAT Kats so they may make appearances in the worlds not mentioned. On to play mechanics... The game is one-player only, so no teaming up of Razor and T-Bone, and you apparently can't switch characters between levels. T-Bone and Razor are both armed with Glovatrixes, which gives them the same weapons. This is why the term "worlds" was used before. The SWAT Kats gain levels like in an RPG, the more enemies they defeat the higher the level and the better the weapon they can access. I'm not sure if you can "downgrade" from a more powerful weapon, however. Level 1 starts them off with a "plain old missle". Level 5 grants them the "Spider Missle". At Level 10, they get the "Cement Machine Gun". They possess the "Octopus Missle" at Level 15. The weapon at Level 20 is the "Pincer Missle". And they get the most powerful weapon in the game at Level 25, the Slicer disk. However, in some of the screen shot that were shown with the article, apparently levels as high as 55 can be reached. Why you would want to is unknown. Perhaps the number of "hit points" is increased after Level 25. RANT MODE ON I certinly hope that the Kats will be able to attack using hand- to-hand techniques. The glovatrixes are nice, but most combat with the Kats occurs either in the TurboKat or in melee. I don't buy the idea that more button will confuse the player. The SNES has four buttons that could be used for jump, close attack, and long range attack. Also, we're talking about a demographic group that can preform, with ease, eight point flange motions that are used to kick my tail in various fighting games! They can surely handle a couple of extra buttons. RANT MODE OFF Speaking of the TurboKat, yes it's in there. But it appears to be a downward scolling sub-game in the vein of Raiden. I don't know if the weapons on the TurboKat are dependant on your level or not. I would have preferred a flight-sim along the lines of After Burner, but since space was limited (2 MB) it was probably not feasible. There also appears to be very little to differentiate T-Bone and Razor besides the sprites. However, T-Bone and Razor have a special weapon. T-Bone, considering his oh-so-subtle personality Br) has a bazooka. Razor, on the other hand, has a jetpack as his special weapon. Next to the weapons and the character, the most important thing in any video game is POWER UPS! There are four in SWAT Kats. Golden coins with questions marks increase the player's level, 1ups give extra lives, and milk and chili-peppers heal the character. Now the milk is kinda cliche, but chili peppers? I can guess why they used chili peppers and it shows whoever insisted on using that icon has been watching the series. There also appear to be golden coins with cat icons on them, but I don't know what they are used for. Perhaps they are used to power up the special weapons. The "reviewer" was quite impressed with the game, in fact he said, "I was surprised by how well this game was done." However, he also said, "the prospect of playing another [cartoon-themed game] didn't excite me". And this is EGM, I take anything they say with a small barvarian salt mine. Finally, the "reveiwer" had this game almost three months ago owning to the nature of the magazine industry. He may have had an alpha or beta copy, so anything said here may not be true by the time they put the game out. Still, I'm looking forward to trying it out. And maybe, if the game is successful, show Mr. T (who is a fool to be pitied Br) the hot commodity he is axing. August Paul Yang hopes to be able to review the game soon. -- wntrmute@ritz.mordor.com | For my Life Public Relations and Official Test Audience for the FDC | Still ahead, "Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? | Pity me. -Queen Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it?" -Max Headroom From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 22:45:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA06888 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 22:20:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 22:20:04 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Kat konnections To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSVK3QKD6C9H0TRZ@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >I'm running on netscape, and I am still getting a "no such group" >on the alt.* So, if anyone knows Hmm.. That's funny... Occasionally I'll get an error message that says Delphi isn't subscribed to the group, and then it'll pop up the next day (or hour). This could be a more widespread problem than we think. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 23:15:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA07090 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 23:09:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 20:13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: More info on the SWAT Kats vidgame.. To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199507142055.UAA18070@tribeca.ios.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I posted the early info on the game, and I got it from a Hudsons Soft (early) brochure, and a conversation with Christian Tremblay (albeit before he got a copy of the actual thing). Hmmm...wonder why it's different? Another question. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 14 23:27:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA07075 for kats-ll; Fri, 14 Jul 1995 23:07:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 20:12:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Kat konnections To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HSVK3QKD6C9H0TRZ@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 14 Jul 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > >I'm running on netscape, and I am still getting a "no such group" > >on the alt.* So, if anyone knows > > Hmm.. That's funny... Occasionally I'll get an error message that > says Delphi isn't subscribed to the group, and then it'll pop up the > next day (or hour). This could be a more widespread problem than we > think. Guys, the remedy for this on some systems is to contact your sysop through your ISP e-mail, or alternatively for larger commercial systems like Delphi etc, send e-mail to "postmaster@ -insert your site name-" or "root@ -insert your site name", so for Delphi it would be: postmaster@delphi.com, root@delphi.com Whoever is going to send the "booster" message - that should help immensely. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 04:45:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA08695 for kats-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:42:07 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Kat connectivity In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:25:11 EDT. Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:41:28 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jul15.044146edt.45475@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: the executive-summary version: I can send out more "newgroup" messages (and will), but this essentially just _asks_ news admins to add the group at their site, and why should they listen to me? anyone who can't get alt.tv.swatkats, send (polite) mail to or or whatever passes for tech support at your site, asking if you can get alt.tv.swatkats. and maybe someone will respond. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 04:51:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA08674 for kats-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:36:16 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Kat connectivity In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 14 Jul 1995 11:25:11 EDT. Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:35:21 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jul15.043544edt.45510@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Chance: > This brings up a "connectivity" issue - if not enough sites carry > the group, doesn't internet come up with the equivalent of a "you can't > get there from here" error when forwarding articles? urm. quick lecture on Usenet operation. (note: Usenet is not Internet.) articles on Usenet get sent by the "chain letter" method: site P gives the article to all its neighbors (Q, R, S, T), who each give the article to _their_ neighbors, etc. if a transfer fails for some reason, it usually gets retried. sometimes it won't, but this is usually harmless because there's often more than one path between any two sites. if the article doesn't get there one way, it can get there some other way. this is what the "Path:" header shows you: the route the message took to reach you. that's the ideal situation. the complication is: if alt.tv.swatkats isn't carried by a site, then when the site receives an article for it, propagation stops there. maybe. many sites will continue propagating the article anyway. it depends on the site's software and configuration. there's no feedback mechanism; no way for a poster to find out how far their posting is propagated. and anyway, you don't really want to receive a "got it!" message from thousands of locations, do you? next complication: to create a newsgroup, you post a "newgroup" control message, which propagates like a normal article. every site that receives that message then adds the group locally. except this only happens if the site is configured to automatically create the group. since anyone can send a "newgroup" message (and since by now most everyone has), most news sites will not add new groups automatically, especially in alt. instead, the site's news admin gets mail saying, "hi! someone reallyreally wants you to add a new group", and if they feel like it, they type in the command to add the group to their site. since humans tend to be sluggish creatures, it can be a day or so before this happens. or it could be never. and also, the "newgroup" message can get lost like any other article, so you may have to send several of them to make sure it reaches every part of the network that it was supposed to reach. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 05:45:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA08802 for kats-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 05:24:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 05:24:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199507150924.FAA17188@k12.oit.umass.edu> From: framos@k12.oit.umass.edu (Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Kat connectivity Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: FL> anyone who can't get alt.tv.swatkats, send (polite) mail to FL> or or whatever passes fo FL> tech support at your site, asking if you can get alt.tv.swatkats. FL> and maybe someone will respond. There just HAPPENS to be a BBS locally that finally got newsgroups! I already requested the SK's newgroup AND I posted that Pumadyne GIF to their GIF area! :) heheh... that oughtta be a decent 1-2 punch to see if I can FINALLY get newsgroup access to stuff like this. BTW: I REALLY wanna thank Matt for doing that picture up! LOOKS GREAT! And it ought to impress some of the folks on that BBS and hopefully they'll ask me about it and possibly join in on the request for the newgroup. :) -DR From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 11:15:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA10097 for kats-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 10:51:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Kat connectivity To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <95Jul15.044146edt.45475@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 15 Jul 1995, Felix Lee wrote: > the executive-summary version: > > I can send out more "newgroup" messages (and will), but this > essentially just _asks_ news admins to add the group at their site, > and why should they listen to me? Well, they'll listen to you for the same reason many of 'em listened to me - I just pushed the group on the merits of Kats and its fans - but obviously many newsadmins ignored "just another fanboy group". My name's been all over everywhere in conjunction with the Kats, so maybe a few others would like to issue booster-control messages from their sites. It's hard to ignore essentially the same information coming at you from all angles (although the rule doesn't seem to hold for Fred Seibert and Ted Turner, huh?). _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 13:52:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA10879 for kats-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 13:16:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 95 13:16:35 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Video promotional stuff on TBS/TCN Message-ID: <9507151316.aa23772@fender.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > A member of the r.a.a. lurker legion tells me that there have indeed >been promo spots for the SK home videos airing several times on TBS and >TCN. This individual has heard of a possible product tie-in to a major >retailer, and will let me know the details when available. While at my sister's place in Colorado, I happened to tune in to CNN at around 2230 MT. They had a promo for the Kats videos on! Evidently they're on all the Turner stations, though I guess we'll have to wait for confirmation on TNT (and others?, Headline News?). Ed From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 15 17:15:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA11887 for kats-ll; Sat, 15 Jul 1995 16:48:26 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Kat connectivity In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 15 Jul 1995 10:56:48 EDT. Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 16:47:34 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jul15.164745edt.45713@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Chance: > It's hard to ignore essentially the same information coming at you from > all angles (although the rule doesn't seem to hold for Fred Seibert and nah. it's just yet-another alt group, and easy to ignore with all the other junk mail that admins get. (thursday/friday, someone sent out dozens of newgroup messages for random alt groups that "already exist". followed by someone sending out dozens of rmgroup messages for the "bogus" ones.) -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 16 18:16:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA20603 for kats-ll; Sun, 16 Jul 1995 17:56:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 17:56:25 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Pics 'n stuff.. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HSY3GK34YM9AR9JM@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: framos@k12.oit.umass.edu (Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)) wrote: >BTW: I REALLY wanna thank Matt for doing that picture up! >LOOKS GREAT! And it ought to impress some of the folks >on that BBS and hopefully they'll ask me about it and >possibly join in on the request for the newgroup. :) Thanks for the feedback! I'm interested in what anyone thinks about the pics! Please feel free to distribute the pics (unaltered, of course) anywhere you'd like. I don't have access to all the alt.binaries groups and can't post 'em there, so look in the ftp site for future stuff. (Heck, e-mail 'em to Turner. Maybe he'll get the message!) -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 07:16:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA18752 for kats-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:04:03 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9507190703.ZM10162@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:03:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "(fwd) Re: SwatKats: More "Gaia" than Planet... (fwd)" (Jun 19, 9:05pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Hello out there? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I have not received any mail from the kats list is several days. What has happened? Thanks, -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 08:16:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA18986 for kats-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:46:48 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Hello out there? In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:03:05 EDT. <9507190703.ZM10162@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:45:54 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jul19.074632edt.45556@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > I have not received any mail from the kats list is several days. What has > happened? well, my excuse is I'm in the middle of moving to Portland OR. not that I had anything in particular to say to the kats list anyway :) (missed my plane this morning. grumble.) -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 10:46:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA20402 for kats-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:35:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:42:42 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507191442.HAA01545@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Anyone notice in "Ci-KAT-a".. Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Anyone notice in "Ci-KAT-a".. Date: 18 Jul 1995 01:47:28 GMT If you've got it on tape, check out "The Giant Ci-Kat-A" ep - when T-Bone's trying to shake the big-bug dudes off of the TurboKat (after the canopy cracks on the way to Megakat Nuclear). The bug gets dumped by T-Bone, the camera shows the dislodged creepy falling down towards the blades of Feral's chopper flying below the Turbokat - then the camera cuts away quickly. I kind of have a feeling that the bug was originally going to get julienned in the chopper-blades, but someone edited out the bug-splatter scene as a bit gratuitious. Too bad, actually - like T-Bone, I'm _really_ unhinged when it comes to bugs. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 10:55:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA20524 for kats-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:44:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:51:44 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507191451.HAA01894@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) "Dead-Head Missile" Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: "Dead-Head Missile" Date: 19 Jul 1995 14:44:54 GMT From the H-B "Style Guide" comes something interesting about the "Dead Head Missile" that you see briefly on the floor in the "Evil SwatKats" hangar scene (you know, the ones with the 'skull' for a nosecone?). This missile was originally intended to be a standard part of the Turbokat's arsenal for use by our 'Kat guys, and not their Evil counterparts. The original "Dead-Head" is described like this: "Even messier than the cement gun! These smart missiles can hit a Megakat ne'er-do-well with a gooey blob of tar sticky enough to immobilize the slipperiest of fiends!" When you look at the bottom of the page and see a villian smeared with the tar, you realize that this missile evolved into something a little less visually frightening for use in "When Strikes Mutilor" - the "Tar Head Missile". -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 19 11:16:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA20723 for kats-ll; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:56:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Katstuff...watch your step! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: List volume's likely low because everyone's on holiday or otherwise summer-occupied (I know of at least two people that are away temporarily). Speaking of volume, I just downloaded 440 articles for archive purposes and to send the Tremblays to bash Ted's boys over the head with - they might not care, but as a consolation prize we get to give them a bigger headache than they have already. Excuse if I've already mentioned this, but I've got two of Lance Falk's script premises called "Cold War", and "Blackout" - and a script to come for an unused ep. I can't post them to any public group, but I think I can get away with copying at least the premises to the list (one's quite long) as long as no one posts them to the newsgroups. I'd hate that. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 09:46:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA02338 for kats-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 09:42:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199507201342.JAA13961@interramp.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:40:00 +0000 Subject: Well... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Well, it seems the list is dead until the fall.. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 09:53:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA02103 for kats-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 09:25:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 08:25:24 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507201325.AA10028@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: video skandel.... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: O.k.., now I'm ready to admit that all this stuff with the kat videos is starting to look a tad suspecious. Hit most of the usual spots last night, and even went WAY out of my way to hit a blockbuster and Best-Buys, and got completely nothing on the videos. Saw the new Poca Singalong, the new Tick video (2 very cool episodes), tons of re-stocked MMPR, and even restocked CAPT PLANETS!!!!! What the hell is the deal here, and asking a sales person is a complete waste of time..."We get everything from our home office, we never know whats coming" (which I realize is usually true) AUGHHHHH!!!! This is getting very $%!#$@! annoying!!!!! Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 10:16:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA02735 for kats-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:11:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 07:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Well... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199507201342.JAA13961@interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: > Well, it seems the list is dead until the fall.. BZZZZZZT! But hey, thanks for playing. Here's the first part of a Lance Falk script premise from 10/10/93. I'm going to have to break the thing up into a couple of parts so I can like, well - got to work or some junk. Anyways, I'd ask that no one copy this over to any public forum like a newsgroup or an a.p.a. without asking me first, as I'll have to ask others. LANCE FALK SWAT KATS: THE RADICAL SQUADRON "COLD WAR" (PREMISE) 10/10/93 Razor and T-Bone are testing an elaborate, state-of-the-art FLIGHT SIMULATOR in the SWAT Kat hangar. This simulator consists of a functional, full-size Turbokat cockpit held twenty feet in the air on a flexible armature. The cockpit can bank, dive, barrel-roll, and so forth on its mount, giving the illusion of full flight. This cockpit is facing an enormous holographic screen, programmed to show any variety of simulated dangers. (This rig is a little like the technology behind the Star Tours ride, but more elaborate). Razor is controlling the simulation from his weapons position behind T-Bone. T-Bone easily defeats the first few targets and teases his partner. "Is this the best you got, pal? How about a _real_ challenge?" Razor grins and stabs at a button marked "The Works", laughing. "You asked for it, big buddy." Suddenly, T-Bone has to rapidly weave through a barrage of simulated dangers from past adventures. Dark Kat's Fearship (9305), the giant Ci-Kat-a (9310), flying Plantimals (9304), The Ghost Pilot (9308), The Megasaurus Rex (9303) The Macrobots (9312), a Cyclops (9306), a Bacteria Monster (9301), Giant Madkat Octopus (9311), and lastly Rex Shard, the dangerous crystal colossus (9309). "Shard" is fast and "grabs" at the jet. His emerald hand fills the screen and his palm laser blast bathes the hangar in a flash of light. The simulator screen goes dark. GAME OVER!! T-Bone pounds his dashboard in frustration as the simulator winds down and lowers the SWAT Kats to the hangar floor. "It's not fair!" T-Bone says sullenly. "Shard was never _that_ fast!" Razor shrugs. "Gotta keep sharp, T-Bone...I wonder what ever became of that creep Shard after we beat him?" T-Bone sneers. "Who cares? After we zapped away that crazy power of his, he became just another thug doing hard time at Megakat Maximum Security Prison." ---Part II will follow later today, or perhaps tomorrow. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I didn't study acting for...years to play a cartoon character!" -Canadian actress Genevieve Bujold explaining her stormy exit as ST:Voyager's "Capt. Janeway". _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jul 20 19:46:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA10139 for kats-ll; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:37:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: video skandel.... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HT3S6H8DRC9DC5RX@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >usual spots last night, and even went WAY out of my way to hit a >blockbuster and Best-Buys, and got completely nothing on the >videos. Saw the new Poca Singalong, the new Tick video (2 very >cool episodes), tons of re-stocked MMPR, and even restocked CAPT >PLANETS!!!!! What the hell is the deal here, and asking a sales >person is a complete waste of time..."We get everything from Hmm.. Sounds familiar! I'm going to check the Blockbuster Music store again and a Sun Coast video store. After those options, I'm at a loss. Maybe we need a geographical idea of where to find the videos. I'm in the SE lower MI area and have yet to find them. Where's your location Ian? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 05:18:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA14163 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 04:48:23 -0400 Message-Id: From: mintedb@ndlc.occ.uky.edu (David Minter) Subject: Re: video skandel.... To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:41:48 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <01HT3S6H8DRC9DC5RX@delphi.com> from "MATT WEBER" at Jul 20, 95 07:37:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1046 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > >usual spots last night, and even went WAY out of my way to hit a > >blockbuster and Best-Buys, and got completely nothing on the > >videos. Saw the new Poca Singalong, the new Tick video (2 very > >cool episodes), tons of re-stocked MMPR, and even restocked CAPT > >PLANETS!!!!! What the hell is the deal here, and asking a sales > >person is a complete waste of time..."We get everything from > > Hmm.. Sounds familiar! I'm going to check the Blockbuster > Music store again and a Sun Coast video store. After those options, > I'm at a loss. > > Maybe we need a geographical idea of where to find the videos. I'm > in the SE lower MI area and have yet to find them. Where's your > location Ian? Throwing in my two cents worth: the Blockbuster in my area does not have the videos in the store for sale or rent, not even for fifty cents... excuse me! Anyway, they said they could order them, though. And, in the last issue of Nintendo Power, there was a two page preview on the SK SNES G-A-M-E. Couldn't resist! :> From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 08:48:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15363 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:38:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 07:38:27 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507211238.AA22315@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: video skandel.... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Maybe we need a geographical idea of where to find the videos. I'm >in the SE lower MI area and have yet to find them. Where's your >location Ian? Southern Illinois, could be geographical.... Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 09:47:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA15838 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:45:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 06:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: TCN SwatKats airtimes through July (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi guys, this was an experiment from July 5th to see if we could get any responses from the "toonnet@aol.com" Turner address. I guess it works. I'm going to try a couple more, but I'll steer completely clear of the nasty editorializing I usually do on the newsgroups. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:31:22 -0400 From:ToonNet@aol.com To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: Re: TCN SwatKats airtimes through July You can catch the SWATKATS every Saturday afternoon at 5:30pm Eastern time. You can e-mail all questions and comments to ToonNet@aol.com. Keep Tooning In! Cartoon Network From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 10:51:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA16127 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 10:18:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 10:13:51 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Fridays Message-ID: <9507211013.aa05735@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The Kats were on at 0735 ET this morning. Their absence on Fridays may have been temporary. This is a good thing, as Wednesdays on WPIX interferes with my taping of Ronin Warriors, and I'm usually in no condition Saturday night to set the VCR to tape something Sunday morning :) BTW, congrats to Kevin Knoles for his letter in TV GUIDE!! Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply "Wow! He DOES have eyes in the back of his head!" - Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 11:17:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA16136 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 10:18:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Lance Falk's "Cold War", Pt. II To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: RO X-Status: ..."he became just another thug doing hard time at Megakat Maximum Security Prison." Speaking of Shard...REX is hard at work on a heavy labor detail at MEGATECH POWER STATION: An enormous experimental alternate energy facility on the edge of town. Shard rants to his fellow inmates about his glory days as a crystal colossus with God-like powers. "Power is the key! And when I figure out a way to get some," promises Shard, "watch out MegaKat City!" When a guard stumbles over Shard's chain, Rex sees his big chance. He grabs the guard's weapon and security key card. The thug races to the heart of the power facility, chased by prison guards and plant security. Shard manages to blast his way into the experimental reactor room. The radiation suited guards look on with horror as Shard destroys one of the two reactor control consoles with gunfire. Quickly, Shard is surrounded by armed guards. With great defiance, he hisses "I ain't goin' back to that cell! It's all or nothin'!" He empties his gun into the remaining console panel and dives into the glowing heart of the reactor. There is a _BIG_ explosion!! Chance and Jake are enjoying a Scaredy Cat cartoon when it is interrupted by an emergency news bulletin. An area of sub-zero temperature has consumed the edge of Megakat City in mere moments. Blizzards and glacial mass are spreading by the minute. The SWAT Kats race into action! Reaching the heart of the icy area, they find a PITCH BLACK GIANT surrounded by a "skin" of fire (he looks like a humanoid eclipse with a raging corona). The two-hundred foot giant laughs at the approach of the Turbokat. "Hi, SWAT _Gnats_! Remember your old pal, Shard?" With that, he tosses flaming black blobs from his body. T-Bone barely manages to avoid the barrage. According to Razor's instruments, Shard has become a HEAT SINK, absorbing any and all warmth in his vicinity (like a living black hole of temperature!). The SWAT Kats re-engage Shard but all their weapons freeze solid and brittle before they can be effective. Shard is luckier. One of his heat leeching projectiles tags the Turbokat, icing it up and freezing the engines. T-Bone is barely able to manage a belly landing, and the Turbokat begins sliding in a mad downhill race through the icy streets of Megakat City (a hilly area like San Francisco). The two Kats use manual control over the jet's flaps to steer the aircraft around buildings and objects but they go into a deadly spin, nearing a fatal drop of hundreds of feet. (**Part III, the last, tonight or tomorrow**) _____________________________________________________________________________ "I didn't study acting for...years to play a cartoon character!" -Canadian actress Genevieve Bujold explaining her stormy exit as ST:Voyager's "Capt. Janeway". _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 12:17:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA16770 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:48:23 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0sZKGw-000AyLC;Fri, 21.Jul.95.11.45.EDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:45:54 -29900 From: S00P3R Y00S3R Subject: Re: Fridays To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507211013.aa05735@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > The Kats were on at 0735 ET this morning. Their absence on Fridays > may have been temporary. > On what network? .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Only Amiga makes | Mike Dugas, aka White Trash | Only Commodore | | it possible... | mad@mv.mv.com | stood in the way.. | |--------------------'`------------------------------'`-------------------| | A2000-040/NEC CD-ROM/Flicker Fixer/210MB HD/9MB RAM | `-------------------------------------------------------------------------' From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 13:16:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18067 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:13:28 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <300fe00c387f002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 95 12:12:44 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Fridays Content-Length: 205 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Ed Rudnicki wrote: >BTW, congrats to Kevin Knoles for his letter in TV GUIDE!! Well, let's have a transcript of it then! :) (Or am I the only person in the U.S. that doesn't get TV GUIDE? :) ) -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 13:33:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA17868 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:04:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: testing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: the olga spammer made another attempt, so I tried to beef up security some more. This is just a test to make sure I didn't break anything. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 18:18:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA21454 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 18:06:11 -0400 Message-Id: From: mintedb@ndlc.occ.uky.edu (David Minter) Subject: Re: Fridays To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:58:55 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <300fe00c387f002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> from "fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu" at Jul 21, 95 12:12:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 310 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > Ed Rudnicki wrote: > >BTW, congrats to Kevin Knoles for his letter in TV GUIDE!! > > > Well, let's have a transcript of it then! :) > > (Or am I the only person in the U.S. that doesn't get TV GUIDE? :) ) > > -Tim No. Unless... we're the only TWO people who do not get TV Guide in the US! :0 From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 20:47:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA22266 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:42:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:42:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199507220042.UAA09993@k12.oit.umass.edu> From: framos@k12.oit.umass.edu (Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Fridays Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: MI> > Ed Rudnicki wrote: MI> > >BTW, congrats to Kevin Knoles for his letter in TV GUIDE!! MI> > MI> > Well, let's have a transcript of it then! :) MI> > (Or am I the only person in the U.S. that doesn't get TV GUIDE? MI> > -Tim MI> No. Unless... we're the only TWO people who do not get TV MI> Guide in the US! :0 TRANSCRIPT!! We, the non-TV-Guide buyers wanna transcript! :) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 21:46:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA22500 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:29:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:29:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Fridays To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HT5ADUBLIA9DCBY7@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >MI> > >BTW, congrats to Kevin Knoles for his letter in TV GUIDE!! Wow! This message has been quoted a lot! Er, which issue of TV guide is it in? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 22:07:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA22533 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:36:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:36:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: video skandel.... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HT5ALXQUEG9DCBY7@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: AH-HA! I've found the videos! Take a look at the "Suncoast Motion Picture Company", usually found in malls. I picked up all 3 "volumes" for $12.99 each. If they don't have them, they can special order them. The girl at the counter said that all the stores have the same supplier, so I would assume that *any* of their stores could get them. PS- If no one's scanned the artwork for the videocassette boxes yet, I'd be willing to do it. Any takers? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 21 22:16:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA22478 for kats-ll; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:27:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Fridays To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199507220042.UAA09993@k12.oit.umass.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 21 Jul 1995, Fernando Ramos wrote: > TRANSCRIPT!! We, the non-TV-Guide buyers wanna transcript! :) Guys, guys...the letter is about MMPR, and I _really_ don't think we want it on the list, do we? Someone read parts to me, and Kevin said that "out of the four letters I sent them, they had to choose that one - no doubt because Rupert Murdoch owns both Fox and TVG". _____________________________________________________________________________ "I didn't study acting for...years to play a cartoon character!" -Canadian actress Genevieve Bujold explaining her stormy exit as ST:Voyager's "Capt. Janeway". _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 22 11:52:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA26140 for kats-ll; Sat, 22 Jul 1995 11:33:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: "Cold War" Pt. III To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: RO X-Status: ....nearing a fatal drop of hundreds of feet. Using Glovatrix grappling hooks and the Turbokat's braking chute, the Swat Kats manage to stop their beloved vehicle mere feet from the deadly plunge. Razor and T-Bone break out the SUB-ZERO GEAR: arctic survival suits, special devices, and the SUPER SNOW KAT (a snow-friendly turbo-powered cyclotron). The city is one quarter iced over at this point. Racing uphill, T-bone and Razor reach Shard and begin a pitched battle. Using the Snowkat missiles, they bury Shard in an avalanche. The snow freezes instantly into a case of ice around the heat sucking monster, snuffing his flame, but the powerful beast simply shatters his frozen prison from within. The Swat Kats are barely able to leap from the Snowkat before Shard blasts the vehicle into frozen shrapnel. Razor and T-Bone activate their MEGA-SKIS (jet powered snow skis that expand from their snow boots). They renew the attack. Shard stomps the ground, creating a monstrous crevasse and the Kats go down into the abyss. The heroes manage to save themselves with glovatrix grappling hooks. Then, the SWAT Kats extend claw-like blades from their boots and gloves and begin a harrowing climb to the top of the crevasse for a final showdown with Shard. Once at the top, T-Bone uses his jet skis to ice up the crevasse ridge. Razor jets over to Shard and fires a few ineffectual bazooka shots at the giant, enraging him. Shard gives chase, narrowly missing the nimble SWAT Kat. The beast is nearly upon Razor when he looses his footing on the iced over ground. At that moment, both SWAT Kats fire simultaneously, T-Bone at the ledge and Razor at Shard himself. Razor has been saving a special weapon for last: The LAVA-MISSILE, a projectile of astonishingly high temperature. The missile is so hot, it actually overloads Shard's ability to absorb heat. He screams in rage, then goes over the cliff to shatter a thousand feet below! Shard's destruction releases a burst of stored heat which rapidly melts all the snow and ice into the ocean. As in show #9, Shard is actually alive after this ordeal and cured of his powers. As Feral slaps on the cuffs, the unrepentant thug promises "You ain't heard the lasta' Rex Shard!!" __________________________END__________________________________________ (Last page is Lance's sketch of what Rex would look like as the aforementioned "eclipse with a fiery corona" - kind of vaguely like the stereotypical horned devil with Kat ears in place of the horns - entirely in black silhouette, with a fiery aura all about him.) My comments: Lance's story ideas had to go through four hoops at Hanna-Barbera before they were turned into episodes. The "premise" (a short outline of what will turn into a script, like the above) is created and read, then a more detailed "beat outline" is done, and then the actual script. The script first goes from Lance to the Story Editor, Glenn Leopold, who suggests changes, vetoes things and adds others. From there, it went to Margot McDonough and Buzz Potamkin for further approval, and then to the Tremblays. This 'premise' was submitted in October of 93 after all the first season eps had been completed. "Personality conflicts" had started to rear their ugly head between Lance and the executives, and he actually announced his retirement from writing for 'Kats shortly after his "When Strikes Mutilor" and "Cry Turmoil" because of it. Margot McDonough, by her own admission, "didn't understand action-adventure", yet was placed in such a position that she had veto power over script ideas and storyboard gags - which she evidently exercised at every available opportunity. Buzz Potamkin was the other force to be reckoned with, and his and McDonough's interference on "Cry Turmoil" and "Mutilor" prompted Lance to ask his friends to keep the story materials for "Unlikely Alloys" away from these people, as a condition of his doing the episode. "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens", is the statement of Buzz when he overruled Lance's story ideas on "Mutilor". I doubt I could encapsulate the ills of the Turner org any better than Buzz did. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 23 13:17:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05496 for kats-ll; Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:07:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Kat news.. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HT7LDYY78Y9VUOD0@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I talked with Mark Lungo last night (7/22) and said he just got off the phone with Christian Tremblay. We talked about a few thing you might find of interest. 1. We were talking about the availability of the posters that I'm sure everyone's heard about by now. Apparently Mark had heard that there was another version of the poster with different artwork on it (i.e. not similar to the poses TB & R are standing in, in "poster1.jpg" of the ftp site.) Christian could not confirm this info. Has anyone seen any other posters? 2. The Animato! issue with Mark's SK article should be available in stores *very* soon. He said that the issue went to print very late for unknown reasons. (Although what can you expect from such a small publication?) 3. I mentioned to Mark that I picked up the videos at Suncoast Motion Picture Company, a video store usually found in malls. He was excited to hear this since he'd been looking for them for a while. He said that the "Deadly Dr. Viper" volume was originally supposed to have "The Giant Bacteria" episode instead of "Katastrophe". (By the way, "Detructive Nature" is the other ep. on this tape.) I told him I was glad they opted for "Katastrophe" instead, since I didn't particularly care for "Bacteria", IMHO. Mark agreed. (I would like to have seen "The Origin of Dr. Viper" on this tape as well -- I thought it was an excellent ep.) 4. We briefly talked about the poor Turner marketing behind the SK merchandise & show. He said that it was the primary complaint from everyone he's talked to. Mark said that TPS is now concentrating all its efforts on "Johnny Quest". *I* don't think they could ever match the original episodes with the same overall quality; but we'll see. Well, that's about all. Any thoughts? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 10:17:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA13325 for kats-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:02:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 07:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Posters and some more Lance Falk stuff. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I'm going to call the poster manufacturer today and see if there is indeed another poster of the 'Kat guys. Apparently, there will not be a reprint of the version some of us already have, despite the fact that those stores carrying it are invariably sold out. Personally, I find it hard to imagine how "sold out" = "no demand", but then again I'm not in sales, therefore a logical individual. I'll try and buy a stock of the things directly from the printer, and save some for Kats fans present and future - screw Turner. Christian Tremblay is evidently going to dig up the three scripts of the last uncompleted episodes when he goes to Montreal for awhile (starting today, I think). I don't know if I get to print them out on the list, or if anyone wants to read them here (depends on your personal mailbox situation I suppose). Christian was also thinking of a contest of sorts for the Kats fans (whether a random draw, or a "best of" kind of thing as yet unknown) with a signed piece of original artwork as the prize. Let me know if you collectively have any ideas for something like this and we'll try and hammer something out. This bit following is from Lance Falk's early draft of the "Style Guide" concerning what _he_ thought were the strength's of the show as a memeber of the Swat Kats design team at H-B. Two things I noticed - I think it's obvious that Lance liked the characters, and identified what some of us noted as strengths in the characters, and also points out some of the same bits I liked for character-development. Compare these descriptions to some of the similar ones for Marvel-universe characters - there isn't a single wooden character to be found _here_. (Style Guide excerpt:) THE SWAT KATS It's hard to talk about one without mentioning the other. These guys are a unit, the self-proclaimed radical squadron. Once underappreciated pilots in Megakat City's Enforcer squadron, Razor and T-Bone fly by their own rules without having to answer to _anybody_, and that's just how they like it! They may be a team, but there's a macho rivalry between these two guys. They're always testing and trying to one-up each other...whether it's seeing who can eat the hottest food or testing who can withstand the greatest speed in the hangar centerfuge (sic). The rivalry keeps T-Bone and Razor on their toes. They may pick on each other (ed: I think this should actually read 'tease', no?) in private...but are quick to defend one another to the outside world. Macho posturing aside, they'd risk everything for each other. **ed: these are the original character descriptions for T-Bone and Razor that didn't make it to any public forum** T-BONE This backbone of the team is the strong and burly type. T-Bone's piloting skills take a back seat to no one. He can fly higher, faster, and more agilely than any buzzboy around! Some call him a hot stick maniac, but one kat knows better.... RAZOR And that's Razor! T-Bone's best pal, biggest rival, and the best weapons expert in the business! A master inventor and mechanic, Razor's second home is his beloved Turbokat weapons station. Did you say accuracy? Razor can shoot an apple off a cactus from 2,000 feet up while flying upside down! His awesome invention and targeting skills are matched only by his big buddy T-Bone's flying prowess! __EXCERPT END__ Ted Turner has just been described by some Hollywood media types as being "Crazy as a Bedbug" in conjunction with some public statements made recently, and I did get the impression that the author meant the comment to reflect directly on Ted's mental stability (TT's father committed suicide at Ted's age - 57 - because he was a couple icecubes short of a tray, and Ted's on Lithium to ward off the same type of thing). His decisions concerning H-B have puzzled rather a few people, and for those who don't get to read my novels on rec.arts.animation, the fight at H-B didn't only concern keeping the 'Kats - Turner wanted to shut down new cartoon production altogether and live off the back catalog re-running endlessly on TCN. It gets better. Two of the very prominent Kats people are doing one "short" each for Turner's "World Premiere Toon" deal. Questions about how each felt about 'Kats cancellation were greeted with a pregnant pause, then "yeah - that shouldn't have happened", and when it was pointed out to these individuals that "public opinion at large seems to regard the WPT's as sh**" - one of 'em replied "um....yeah. Most are". Anyway, I'll post the results of my poster question later. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 19:17:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20647 for kats-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:03:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:03:15 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Action figures! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HT9C55Q5OI9VUUG9@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi everyone! Talked to Mark Lungo today (7/24). (I must be Ma Bell's number 1 customer ) Anyway, if you're looking for the action figures, pay close attention... A friend of his from Tuscon, AZ found a "T-Bone" action figure at a K-mart. Mark reported that the action figures should be available in K-mart, Target, Kay-bee, & Toys 'R Us stores. I haven't checked my local stores yet, but will let you know if I find anything! Later! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 21:27:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA21773 for kats-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:06:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9507250106.AA04076@cisk> Subject: Kat stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 18:06:07 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1020 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: A fairly busy weekend schedule plus a few other things have kept me from checking on the listmail lately, but I thought I'd add a tidbit: I talked to Mark Lungo on Saturday (7/22). He told me a few things that I thought I'd mention to the list (and hopefully nobody else has posted this already): - Mark Lungo received a call from Christian Tremblay and, from what I was told, is very supportive of an SK fan club. He's also aware of how much support the show itself is getting, so let's not give up just yet. - Also, look for the _Animato_ article on the SWAT Kats to be out sometime within the next couple of weeks. I believe the issue should be #38 (don't remember offhand), but the cover will have several cartoon stars (among them Beavis from "Beavis & Butt-head") with a caption about cartoon censorship (perhaps a comment on the Exon bill?). If you have a Borders Books & Music around your area, check it out for the issue. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 24 22:49:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA22349 for kats-ll; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 22:41:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:47:35 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507250247.TAA17105@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Looking for SWAT Kats on video... Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: **I crossed this from r.a.a. in case anyone is in a position to help this guy out. I don't have a second stereo VCR at the moment or I'd volunteer** From: dqr4740@is.nyu.edu (David Rapp) Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation Subject: Looking for SWAT Kats on video... Date: 22 Jul 1995 14:08:06 GMT If anyone has taped all or most of the episodes of SWAT Kats, and is interested in trading for anime or other weird stuff, e-mail me. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David 'Goose' Rapp -- Dragonball Z Liberation Front -- dqr4740@is.nyu.edu *Big Bang Attack!!* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 10:48:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA26666 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:17:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 07:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Turner never ceases to amaze... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Okay, when 'Kats was killed, Turner was going to shut down all new cartoon production because it was so expensive. Then, he backtracked a bit and came up with the expensive "Quest" revival. Despite the fact everyone thought "Planet" was a dead-issue, he decided to make a "Planet" feature, and now, despite the fact that the "World Premiere Toons" are almost universally detested, the grapevine reports that "the focus has shifted from unconnected shorts - now they intend them as possible series pilots". Man, gimme a break! Hands up poll: which would you rather see - a series based on "Yukky Duck" or one based on "SwatKats"? Exactly. Motion carried (everywhere but Atlanta, evidently). _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 12:19:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA27901 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:58:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 10:57:28 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507251557.AA14462@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Turner never ceases to amaze... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This has been a thought of mine for a while... With the exception of Powder Puff Girls and Johnny Bravo, WPT have completely sucked eggs!!! Yet he (they) continue to dump money and make a big deal over a 5 to 7 minute cartoon every Sun. which basically stinks. If they chose to use these as pilots then it seems they're leaning towards George and Jr. as the next series, since they are the only ones that have had more than one WPT. Yeah, George and Jr. replacing SwatKats, thats fair. Plus the money they (more than likely) dish out for these one shot toons probably equates to close to one 30 min. episode (guessing of course). Turner Inc. seems to constantly be looking for the next toon to destroy, if not by cancelling the good ones. then by recutting and re-voicing them (see G-Force vs. Battle of the Planets), and leaving the crap on the tube (see Capt. Planet and 90% of whats on TCN). Maybe some evil sludge spill monster from CP came along and polluted Teds brain??? Rant mode off, Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 12:49:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA28187 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:19:58 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <30151980654a002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 11:19:12 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: World Premiere Toons Content-Length: 185 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Speaking of which, has anyone recorded these, especially the first generation WPT's? I'm especially interested in getting a copy of "Powerpuff Girls" and "Dexter's Laboratory." -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 13:04:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA28206 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:23:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:22:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: all this talk about Turner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This might be a stupid question, but why can't the Trembleys or whoever they are just go somewhere else? It's obvious they are not appreciated there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 13:09:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA28149 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:18:18 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <3015191b6393002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 11:17:31 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Turner never ceases to amaze... Content-Length: 763 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Chance wrote: >...and now, despite the fact that the "World Premiere Toons" are >almost universally detested, the grapevine reports that "the focus has >shifted from unconnected shorts - now they intend them as possible series >pilots". To quote my pal Quick-Draw McGraw, "Ho-o-old on thar!" Some of those "World Premiere Toons" have been pretty good. "O. Ratz," "Pfish and Chip," and "Fat Cats" were okay, and "Powerpuff Girls" was very good. (And, to be fair, some of them have been a waste of paint, like this week's "George and Junior's Christmas Special" -- an affront to the memory of Tex Avery!). So I wouldn't say they were "universally detested." Beyond that, I agreed with most of the rest of what you said. -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 14:48:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA29999 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:46:06 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <30153bc020eb002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 13:45:20 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: all this talk about Turner Content-Length: 617 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Paul Hurley wrote: >This might be a stupid question, but why can't the Trembleys or whoever they >are just go somewhere else? It's obvious they are not appreciated there. Because, unfortunately, Turner owns the Swat Kats (or at least partially owns them). The situation is such that Ted says Kats are canceled because they're not making any money. But Ted probably wouldn't let the Tremblay's do anything with the Kats because it could make money--for someone else. It's not impossible, just highly unlikely. I get the sense that the Tremblay's are "moving on" to other projects, anyway. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 15:49:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA00935 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:47:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 13:59:43 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507251859.AA16098@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: previous Trembley work Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Are the T bros. known for any work previous to the Kats?? Any Canadian work that can be obtain....ANYTHING???? Obviously they're moving on, but where can they be traced back to?? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 21:48:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA03866 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:23:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: previous Trembley work To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507251859.AA16098@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Are the T bros. known for any work previous to the Kats?? > Any Canadian work that can be obtain....ANYTHING???? > Obviously they're moving on, but where can they be traced > back to?? "SwatKats", by name, was the first thing they came up with, and they pitched various forms to the Hollywood studios for quite awhile before forming the unholy alliance with Turner. As far as I know from press and what Christian said, they didn't do the standard route of drawing their friends in school, having someone notice them and going to Sheridan before hitting the big-time - they did it all themselves; basement to TV in a single bound. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 22:02:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA03969 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:37:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Bad news, and good ne...heck, who'm I kidding, it's all bad..... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Well, I did my long-distance marathon today. First call went to "American Arts and Graphics", and their parent company in Indiannapolis. Guess what? No more 'Kats posters are to be printed, the chick on the other end of the phone knew of no others aside from the one pose, and they have no more in stock to ship anyone. If you want one of these things, better deal with the urge now - you won't be able to sate it later. Second, "Playtoy" is the Canadian Distributor for the Remco "SwatKats" action figures. I called the VP Sales over there, and all she could say was "Swat cats? We picked up a lot of Remco's line - but no Swat cats for Fall 95. Call back in November, maybe we'll have 'em for Fall '96?" Extra-special. I guess we'll have to do the same kind of deal we did for the posters, if anyone's willing and/or able. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jul 25 22:05:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA03918 for kats-ll; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:31:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: all this talk about Turner To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <30153bc020eb002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 25 Jul 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > >This might be a stupid question, but why can't the Trembleys or whoever they > >are just go somewhere else? It's obvious they are not appreciated there. > > Because, unfortunately, Turner owns the Swat Kats (or at least partially > owns them). The situation is such that Ted says Kats are canceled because > they're not making any money. But Ted probably wouldn't let the Tremblay's > do anything with the Kats because it could make money--for someone else. > > It's not impossible, just highly unlikely. I get the sense that the > Tremblay's are "moving on" to other projects, anyway. Turner owns the rights to "SwatKats" concerning everything except a possible movie, but even then, permission must evidently be gained to use the characters in the situations we know from the TV (apparently, H-B contributed a number of changes to the Tremblay's original stuff - so the changes would remain the copyright of Ted). "Moving on to other projects" is a sense I get too, but it's "survival" rather than "giving up". Turner's been asked to sell "SwatKats", a movie proposal with mostly outside financing was put to him, and aside from vetoing all of this, he's also apparently refused to package the program for airing on the networks. As someone from the list puts it, "if they don't get _something_ new on the air, it's back to Montreal". This is the difference between the "professional" perspective and the "fan" one - shared by the "good guys" still working at H-B, and a bunch that left. Turner was incredibly stupid for cancelling the show, but none of the folks who need food on the table can afford to wait for the guy to grow some grey cells and renew it. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 09:53:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA07916 for kats-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 09:23:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 9:22:47 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: White Castle SK Toys?? Message-ID: <9507260922.aa14156@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Can anyone tell me if these are the "SK" toys or something else? I found this and just got curious. ----- Forwarded message # 1: >In article <3v0nso$c56@news2.getnet.com> you write: >>I have available most Disney toys issued by Burger King and >>McDonald's, including many European McD releases. For a very >>large fast food premium sales list check my web page >>http:www.getnet.com/~richarde/ Or email me for list or send >>LSASE (.78). > >How many of the White Castle SWAT Kats toy sets do you have? Also, >what items do they include? I can't find these in any guide book. Ed thanks for writing. On the White Castle stuff I only have 1 set of each of the items listed. (We don't have White Castle here so I trade with another collector). The SWAT KATS should read SWAT KIDS. It is a set of 3 targets with tenis like balls that stick to a target. (I have them in a hard to access box so I'm describing them on memory). They were released in 1994 after the Tomart reference book was published. Any more question, please write. Richard Eymann 2619 E. Lynne Ln. Phoenix, AZ 85040 Check Web page for current list. http://www.getnet.com/~richarde/ ----- End of forwarded messages Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply "Wow! He DOES have eyes in the back of his head!" - Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 10:26:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA08330 for kats-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 10:07:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 07:13:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: White Castle SK Toys?? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507260922.aa14156@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me if these are the "SK" toys or something else? I > found this and just got curious. Yeah, read the desription and those sound like the things described to me - "target punch" toys, I think they're called. I also believe they were made by Gordy Toy, and are basically a copy of something created years ago for "Inspector Gadget", as I recall. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 11:48:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA09160 for kats-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:34:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Manx and Ann Gorah in 'The Avengers' Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This message was from: From: gkoopman@WI.LeidenUniv.NL (G.C.Koopman) and got caught in out anti-olga mechanism. So rather than make him repost it, I'll post it. replies should go to gkoopman@WI.LeidenUniv.NL and not to me. --------- Howdy SwatKats fans! While trying out my new TV today, I watched an episode of the old detective series 'The Avengers'. This episode was about the bad guy trying to conquer the world by turning cats into tigers by stimulating their brainwaves. But now the interesting thing: the bad guy's name was Dr. Manx, and his assistant's name was Ann Gorah! Do you think this is a coincidence or did the inventors of the SwatKats (the Tremblay brothers, I thought) watch this episode, too. I'd like to hear your opinions. Guido From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 12:18:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA09663 for kats-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:03:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 11:03:02 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507261603.AA27158@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: video and toy update.. Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: After yesterdays report here, of toys starting to show up at K-mart. I made a trip to the local one to see what there was. They had received a new case of Capt. Planet (either that or found it festering under some rock in hte storage room), but no Kats. Also, I found the three videos for rent at a locally owned video store. Didn't have a chance to ask them about purchasing copies through them. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 19:19:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA14423 for kats-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:49:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Bad news, and good ne...heck, who'm I kidding, it's all bad..... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTC47G1P429UMONP@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Guess what? No more 'Kats posters are to be printed, the chick on >the other end of the phone knew of no others aside from the one >pose, and they have no more in stock to ship anyone. If you want oh crap. I guess I'll have to hit *all* the stores in the area & buy all of 'em I can find! >Fall '96?" Extra-special. I guess we'll have to do the same kind >of deal we did for the posters, if anyone's willing and/or able. If I could find any of them in quantities (heck, if I could find any _at all_) I could probably send some of 'em out. So far, I've checked 1 K-mart, and 1 Toys 'R Us store and have found CP , Biker Mice, TMNT, and TONS of Star Trek only to be outnumbered in quantity by MMPR. Didn't even see the SNES game at T'RU. What's this world coming to?! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 22:18:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA15889 for kats-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:52:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Tremblays just divorced H-B...doesn't anyone have GOOD news?! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Well, bound to happen I suppose, given TT's treatment of the brothers Tremblay and our beloved 'Kats; Christian and Yvon have left H-B and are developing two series in conjunction with Film Roman. Not for newsgroups yet please. The plus side of this is that F-R has _very_ competent marketing, and they've turned out some great stuff in the past without pissing off the talent. Christian and Yvon maintain "creator's rights" style control, and won't likely get railroaded as they did with H-B. Okay, this could be fairly bad news for SK fan-mail and fan-club stuff, though I think it frees me up to post some images from the "Style Guide" when I get them scanned. If I can get someone with a pulse to answer the phone in the fan-mail department, I'll ask what's to become of the fan-mail echo to Christian and Yvon - failing that, they'll have to ignore a registered letter. Some good bits though. Christian says that the SK video game will be in the stores any day now. Also, when you get a look at the videos, check out the "Turner Home Video" plantation logo - with the Kat-claw marks ripped through it during the title sequence! Christian suggests it's an ironic commentary by someone, but swears it wasn't him (perhaps one of us?!! Heh.) Anyway, an up and down day for me. I'm glad that Christian and Yvon are headed somewhere that they'll get the recognition they deserved with SwatKats, but by the same token I suppose it means Ted shovelled the last load of dirt on the coffin. That's there problem - I honestly hope they choke on the results. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jul 26 22:48:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA16167 for kats-ll; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:28:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Manx and Ann Gorah in 'The Avengers' To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 26 Jul 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > Howdy SwatKats fans! > While trying out my new TV today, I watched an episode of the old detective > series 'The Avengers'. This episode was about the bad guy trying to conquer > the world by turning cats into tigers by stimulating their brainwaves. But now > the interesting thing: the bad guy's name was Dr. Manx, and his assistant's > name was Ann Gorah! Do you think this is a coincidence or did the inventors of > the SwatKats (the Tremblay brothers, I thought) watch this episode, too. I'd > like to hear your opinions. (copied to author) I think we have "coincidence" here, because "Ann Gora" is actually a fairly obvious cat-pun, and "Manx" is famous because of the rather odd aspect of the cat-breed; they don't have tails! I'll put this on my "ask" list for Lance and the Tremblays. (PS, I _really_ liked the old "Avengers" series - more with Emma Peel than Tara King though...) _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 09:48:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA03721 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:18:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 08:18:27 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507281318.AA20910@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: New Kat Kommercial on TCN Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Anybody else caught these?? Anybody else watch the Cartoon network?? Nothing terribly special about them, except the fact that apparently someone at TCN is putting forth the effort to advertise the show. I've seen two different ones, first was the clips from "The Ghost Pilot", ending with the dog fight between the guys and the Red Lynx, and as Razor launches the missle that sinks the Lynx in his original plane, it freeze frames on the Lynx looking over his shoulder and says: "Kitty Litter". The second has clips from "The Giant Bacteria", and ends with one of the 3 Bacteria swallowing one of the missiles, and has a phrase that I'm drawing a complete blank on right now. Just thought it was interesting that after all the bad stuff going on at the company, someone had the nerve to put together a couple of commerecials for a defunct show (of course a good percentage of whats on TCN is defunct, but...) Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 10:18:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA04202 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:53:27 -0400 From: "Dr. Samuel Conway" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:53:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199507281353.JAA27178@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: It all seems so strange....Turner cancels the Kats, and then seems to bend over backwards to promote them on TV. I wonder if in that twisted little brain of his, he's using this as a publicity-thingy for some future "comeback". *I* don't get The Cartoon Network, although I wish I did. >:( My cable system carries it, but only offers it "in certain areas". Bastards. ---- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Giant Bacteria Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 10:26:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA04519 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:17:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507281318.AA20910@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Anybody else caught these?? Anybody else watch the Cartoon network?? TCN's CONUS penetration is close to nil in comparison with the broadcast networks and some of the other specialty cable things - Canadians don't get it at all unless we smuggle DSS from south of the border in contravention of what our Government tells us we can watch. I don't know anyone contemplating that, do you? (Bingo.) > Just thought it was interesting that after all the bad stuff going > on at the company, someone had the nerve to put together a couple of > commerecials for a defunct show (of course a good percentage of whats > on TCN is defunct, but...) I think its safe to assume that there's some cartoon fans working for the Cartoon Network, and just like making the toon in the first place, it shows when those in charge of making the spots actually like the subject material (Ted and "Captain Planet" for instance). As far as "all the bad stuff" goes, does anyone remember "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" by Coleridge from school? Basically, this guy kills an Albatros, considered a "good luck bird", above the protestations of his crew-mates that evil would befall the ship on its journey. Well, the bird-killer is forced to wear the albatros-carcass around his neck so everyone would know who was responsible for all the ills that befell the ship afterwards, ultimately resulting in it's sinking amid great loss of life. Well, "SwatKats" is Turner's albatros, and I think the rest of the parallel becomes fairly obvious when you take into account all the "bad stuff" that we've been privy to lately. BTW, 'Kats moves on TCN to a new timeslot starting August sixth and running to Sept 1st. It'll be on at 6pm EST M-F, and I'm not sure about the CMT and PST timezones. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 10:48:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA04924 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:47:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 09:47:06 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9507281447.AA21723@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > BTW, 'Kats moves on TCN to a new timeslot starting August sixth and >running to Sept 1st. It'll be on at 6pm EST M-F, and I'm not sure about >the CMT and PST timezones. That's kinda interesting, since I think they've only made it through "G-Force" twice (currently occupying the 6:00EST timeslot). Where as they went through all the Jonny Quest (circa 60's, and unfortuantly the '70s) several times, but I guess there were far fewer JQ than G-force. They could have went with a 6:30 timeslot and done awy with the JQ replacement "Gozilla & Godzooky".I will be more than happy with the replacement though. Does this mean that we will get to see a complete run of the existing episodes?? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 11:48:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA05321 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:27:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507281447.AA21723@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > > > BTW, 'Kats moves on TCN to a new timeslot starting August sixth and > >running to Sept 1st. It'll be on at 6pm EST M-F, and I'm not sure about > >the CMT and PST timezones. > replacement though. Does this mean that we will get to see a complete run > of the existing episodes?? As it's stripped (M-F), they're going to have to show the whole 24 (although no one's really told me as much - it's just logical). I'd set your VCR's if I were you - just don't stop looking for the Katvids to buy... _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 13:18:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA06634 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:50:02 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <301915050746002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 11:49:09 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN Content-Length: 238 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I've seen that one. But my fave SK spot on TCN is the "Kat Kamera" interview with T-Bone and Razor. Razor: "He seemed like a nice fellah." T-bone: "Yeah, good grip, too." Had me floored! :) I'm trying to catch this one on tape. -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 13:31:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA06918 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:05:37 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <301918ae1bd4002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 12:04:46 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN Content-Length: 1942 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Dr. Konway wrote: >It all seems so strange....Turner cancels the Kats, and then seems to bend >over backwards to promote them on TV. May be just different people putting together these spots. It's not unusual for a company as big as Turner's to have parts that don't regularly talk to each other. And most of the commercials on TCN are promotional spots, anyway. >I wonder if in that twisted little brain of his, he's using this as a >publicity-thingy for some future "comeback". I'd be happy if that were true, but I think it's highly doubtful. >*I* don't get The Cartoon Network, although I wish I did. >:( My cable >system carries it, but only offers it "in certain areas". Bastards. My cable system carries it, and says it's "only" $1.95/month to get it (along with Turner Classic Movies, the History Channel, ESPN2, and a couple others). But when I called they said I had to have one of their converter boxes which, of course, cost $2.95/month, plus another $1.00/month for the remote. Granted, these "hidden charges" aren't all that much, but they are more than double the advertised rate of $1.95/month. Furthermore, I already have a cable-ready VCR and TV, and the last thing I need is another damn box (which effectively defeats the capabilities of the TV and VCR), especially when I'd gladly pay $1.95/month _just_ for TCN. It's no wonder cable will soon go the way of the dinosaurs, especially once digital/direct satellite TV gets going. BTW, Dr. Konway, if your cable system is "red-lining" certain areas, they may be in violation of the law. The only reason they can legally give you for not offering service they offer in other areas is if there is some kind of hardware incompatibility (e.g., one part of the city was wired up differently from the other; such was the case in Minneapolis a few years ago, though the cable company was found guilty of denying/delaying service to poorer neighborhoods). -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 14:48:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA08056 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:26:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:26:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: new files at ftp site. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Special thanks to frplayguy@aol.com for sending these. They were in GIF format, but I converted them to JPEG. The image quality is a little fuzzy, but the GIFs were that way, so don't curse me for converting them! :-) just ftp to rat.org I wrote the descriptions, but don't read them. Just download the pictures. They are cool! :-) /pub/kats/images/real-life/editing.jpg - a shot of the editing room. /pub/kats/images/real-life/skshirt.jpg - a photo of someone holding up a SK t-shirt. /pub/kats/images/real-life/trmblybr.jpg - The Trembly brothers! Which one is which? :-) /pub/kats/images/tv/callie1.jpg /pub/kats/images/tv/callie2.jpg - Close up face shots of our favorite female feline. /pub/kats/images/tv/pstmstr.jpg - close up of the Pastmaster's face. /pub/kats/images/tv/sklogo.jpg - The picture of Razor and T-bone standing on the SK logo. The one with the moon in the background. /pub/kats/images/tv/throttle.jpg - Nice shot of T-bone with his paw on the throttle of the Turbo Kat with an "I'm gonna give it all she's got" look on his face. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 19:19:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA10403 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 19:01:07 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <30196c0774c2002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 18:00:23 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Uploads to rat.org Content-Length: 144 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Paul, I'm trying to upload some files to rat.org, but it doesn't seem to want to take them. Is there some way we can work around this? -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 19:35:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA10422 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 19:05:07 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <30196cf702ab002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 18:04:23 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Uploads to rat.org Content-Length: 309 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Strike that--I just got it to work. I've just uploaded four files into your incoming directory, anngora2-5.jpg. These are some frame grabs I did for myself for reference, but I thought I'd share them with the other Kats fans with FTP access. These were all taken from the "Ci-Kat-A" episode. Enjoy! -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jul 28 21:50:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11338 for kats-ll; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:44:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Uploads to rat.org In-Reply-To: <30196c0774c2002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Please write me directly at rat@rat.org, and not to the list. If you mail to kats@lists.mv.net it goes to everyone. Sorry everyone! Please don't unsubscribe. :-) Just so I can say I had something positive to say in this mail message, I added those graphics he was talking about. ftp to: rat.org /pub/kats/images/tv/anngora2.jpg /pub/kats/images/tv/anngora3.jpg /pub/kats/images/tv/anngora4.jpg /pub/kats/images/tv/anngora5.jpg this is cool! more graphics! :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jul 29 15:22:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA16163 for kats-ll; Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:12:29 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 12:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <301915050746002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > I've seen that one. But my fave SK spot on TCN is the "Kat Kamera" > interview with T-Bone and Razor. Razor: "He seemed like a nice fellah." > T-bone: "Yeah, good grip, too." Had me floored! :) Hold on...you mean there's new 'Kat dialogue? Who was the subject of this Konversation - one of the villians, Feral? Turner?? _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 30 11:18:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA24133 for kats-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:14:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 08:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: KatVids/SNES game/Turner bashing... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: One of the list clan let me know that Astral, the distribution outfit for the SNES game, has the "SwatKats" vid-game pegged as its fifth best-seller (in terms of orders-from-retailers, that is). It's on my shopping list, and I don't even OWN an SNES yet. The videos have now made it on the Canadian Katalogue forms, so us Canucks can order them as well now, though ours come without the "Kat-claw marks" across the Turner logo, and no "extras" like the temporary tattoos or the 'Space Ghost' short. Someone informs me through e-mail that the Kat-vids are now for sale in a store called "Reel Collections" - geographic area unknown. Ted Turner appeared in our Vancouver-area only "TV Times" this week, in a Cheshire Kat pose with a smilin' Fred Flinstone on one shoulder, and a conspiratorial Yogi on the other. As much as Ted frosts my cake, he freely admitted that his Sam Elliot TNT thing 'Desperate Trail' "sucked...we could not even watch it all, Jane and I". He didn't mention cartoons specifically, despite the photographic teaser, but went on to talk about violence in TV ("if everybody else stopped making..violent films, we would - Pop, kiss mine!" ). He started talking about "black Jewish Native Americans...sucking air" before Jane practically yarded him off the stage before he put the other foot in is mouth. Yep, Ted's a class act. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 30 15:48:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA25779 for kats-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:47:54 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <301be1bd4658002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 14:47:09 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New Kat Kommercial on TCN Content-Length: 1136 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Chance wrote: >On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: >> I've seen that one. But my fave SK spot on TCN is the "Kat Kamera" >> interview with T-Bone and Razor. > Hold on...you mean there's new 'Kat dialogue? Who was the subject >of this Konversation - one of the villians, Feral? Turner?? It's all done from the POV of a video viewfinder (labeled "Helmet Cam", ala David Letterman) belonging to some unseen interviewer who drops onto the wing of the TuboKat in flight. The video has superimposed 'snow' and other video effects, along with clips from the show. The interviewer asks T-Bone and Razor several questions and, yes, there's new dialog. And pretty funny, too! After the interviewer falls off the plane: T-bone: "Nice guy." Razor: "Lotta guts." T-bone: "Hey, good grip, too!" They mostly talk about what it's like to be Swat Kats, with lots of shots of the TuboKat in action, along with a few clips of villians (but no other characters). It's a long promo, too (about 2 minutes). I've managed to get all of it except the very beginning. Great stuff! -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 30 16:48:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA25959 for kats-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:25:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:25:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: KatVids/SNES game/Turner bashing... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTHKDWQ0489QWIEJ@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > He didn't mention cartoons specifically, despite the >photographic teaser, but went on to talk about violence in TV ("if >everybody else stopped making..violent films, we would - Pop, kiss >mine!" ). Heh! If you happened to catch Space Ghost C-C on 7/29 evening (I believe it was show #6 - repeat), SG interviewed Hulk Hogan and asked him questions like: "Would you give Ted Turner an Atomic Drop?" et al. It was *hilarious*! SG kept on ripping on Turner saying "Ted's a wimp..." etc., etc. I wish I caught this one on tape! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 30 17:48:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA26489 for kats-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:34:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:37:15 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507302137.OAA07583@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Hi! President here! Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ***This is interesting, fellow list dwellers. I haven't responded yet. *** From: XXRJ13C@prodigy.com (Marsha Morman) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Hi! President here! Date: 28 Jul 1995 18:46:56 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Yo! This is the Pres. of the SKC over on P*, and I guess if no one has a club over here I'll branch mine out. If I wasn't stuck on my other book (a seaQuest story) at the moment, I would gladly post a SK story. Oh, well. If anyone else has any ideas, it'd like to hear it! See ya. Pres. Dr. Jake -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jul 30 17:52:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA26488 for kats-ll; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:34:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:37:16 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507302137.OAA07587@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: Hi! President here! Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Path: news.infoserve.net!news.bc.net!torn!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in2.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: NKVW38C@prodigy.com (Kyle Cummings) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Re: Hi! President here! Date: 28 Jul 1995 21:13:36 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 2 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3vbju0$jis@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com> References: <3vbbb0$hma@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: inugap3.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Hey there little lady! See ya got newsgroups! --Kyle -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 00:50:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA29284 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 00:23:39 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 00:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: (fwd) Hi! President here! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTI0XXSOQW9PP3RC@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: You don't have a club over there then I should branch out the one I have on here out to you then. I'm also collecting a snail mail list to eventually send to Mark Huges of HB but I would like to get in touch of him which hasn't been easy. I hope with our combined efforts we will keep SWAT Kats fever well over the 100 degree mark. President of "The Unofficial SWAT Kats Fan Club" Walter P. Koziol, Jr. PS I'm trying to make this club official that is why I need to get in touch with Mark Hughes from HB. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 07:20:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA01549 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:11:02 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9507310709.ZM20109@tekdev-10> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:09:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: Chance "KatVids/SNES game/Turner bashing..." (Jul 30, 8:16am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: The Videos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I was in Tower records, a chain of stores that sells music and video. They had 3 piles of tapes, for each of the Kat videos. Picked up one of each and gave the man my hard earned cash. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 09:48:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA03049 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 09:46:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 9:48:08 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Message-ID: <9507310948.aa21180@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >I was in Tower records, a chain of stores that sells music and video. They had >3 piles of tapes, for each of the Kat videos. Picked up one of each and gave >the man my hard earned cash. Waahhhh! I went to the Suncoast in Middletown, NY, as someone here said that Suncoasts have them. This one did not. I special ordered them, and the cashier said they're supposed to get them soon. "Twas not a total loss, as Suncoast has the remaining supply of "101 Dalmatians", so I got that for my sister as a gift, and I also found a new TLM item at the toy store there :) ObSK: I really enjoyed "Mutation City" yesterday! I'd never seen this one, and really enjoyed the "buddy" aspects of this one. Dr. Viper is I think my favorite villain, so that was good as well. Somehow I didn't care for the way Callie looked in this ep. The interaction between Feral and Felina was right on the mark for elder/junior-family-member-in-same-career. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply "Wow! He DOES have eyes in the back of his head!" - Razor "Do guns make you nervous?" "Guns have their uses. Idiots with guns make me nervous" --- CB, DW5 From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 11:19:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA03823 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:51:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9507310948.aa21180@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > ObSK: I really enjoyed "Mutation City" yesterday! I'd never seen > this one, and really enjoyed the "buddy" aspects of this one. Dr. > Viper is I think my favorite villain, so that was good as well. > Somehow I didn't care for the way Callie looked in this ep. The > interaction between Feral and Felina was right on the mark for > elder/junior-family-member-in-same-career. Tremblay Bros directly came up with the premise for this script, though I doubt they did any of the actual writing. I thought the character bits were outstanding in this, and that opening sequence with the "Obstacle Course" essentially defines for me what sets this apart from similar ac/adv efforts - you have actual 'Kat characters - not just the X-Men in Fur-suits. In terms of ac/adv writing, that opening scene was _very_ expensive in terms of time diverted from conflict setup, and was only really in there so we could see T-Bone likewise save Razor in the last scenes - all heavy character stuff that made this just about my favourite ep (top three, anyway) and very unusual in light of the two-dimensional relationships in the various Marvel-clones out there. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 11:48:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA04090 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:26:14 -0400 From: "Dr. Samuel Conway" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:25:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199507311525.LAA19429@unix3.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: -On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: - -> ObSK: I really enjoyed "Mutation City" yesterday! I'd never seen -> this one, and really enjoyed the "buddy" aspects of this one. Dr. -> Viper is I think my favorite villain, so that was good as well. - ...all heavy character stuff that made this just about my favourite ep .... I rather enjoy it, too, and not only because it's the one that Dr. Konway has his cameo in. ;) ---- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Staff Cartoon Character Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 12:19:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA04534 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:11:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 09:14:52 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199507311614.JAA27301@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: Hi! President here! Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Chance) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Re: Hi! President here! Date: 31 Jul 1995 16:04:55 GMT Marsha Morman (XXRJ13C@prodigy.com) wrote: : Yo! This is the Pres. of the SKC over on P*, and I guess if no one has a : club over here I'll branch mine out. If I wasn't stuck on my other book : (a seaQuest story) at the moment, I would gladly post a SK story. Oh, : well. If anyone else has any ideas, it'd like to hear it! See ya. Hmmm. We should pool our resources. Currently, there is a 33 member "SwatKats" mailing list created by Dana Uehara and implemented by Paul Hurley. Yours truly set up the newsgroup with support from most of the list members and a bunch of fellow net-'Kats. We have an FTP site set up with a bunch of frame-grabs and other art (both colour and B&W), and have access to a _TON_ of unreleased 'Kat stuff including unreleased/unused scripts, tons of unreleased colour and B&W Kats artwork, pictures of what the licensed products _would_ have looked like if someone competent had been steering, and a whole whack of other stuff. Contacts and fan-club wise, a couple of us talk to the Tremblay brothers from time to time, some people at Hanna-Barbera quite irregularly, and even some of the Kats design team (sadly, mostly "ex-HB" now) help us out with info occasionally. Dana Uehara and Walt Koziol Jr. from the mailing list came up with the idea for a fan-club before there even _was_ a mailing list, but have run up against a bulkhead at H-B because Turner Entertainment insists on pointing out at every opportunity that "it's not a current property that we're promoting". Fan-mail. FYI, everything I see on the Net concerning SwatKats gets downloaded by me and sent to the Tremblay brothers. I don't have any hangups doing it simply because they'd read it all themselves anyway if they had net access and the time to keep up. FYI, at the moment they're pursuing two other projects at another studio, and appear to have dropped ties to H-B altogether (hardly surprising considering Turner Entertainment's treatment of artists/fans alike). Hanna-Barbera intends to take its fan-mail seriously once things get organized over there, and the current arrangements allow for a copy of each Kats fan letter/comments to be forwarded to the Tremblay bros as well as being entered into Hanna-Barbera's computer which keeps track of demographic stuff. I _strongly_ encourage everyone to write Hanna-Barbera and complain about the cancellation/support the show at the address I'll give at the bottom of this - they've had the proposal of outside financing for a "SwatKats Movie", but _still_ won't do anything with it, nor will they evidently shop the show around to networks other than the Turner-owned ones of TBS and TCN. Merchandise. Everyone on Prodigy probably already knows, but here's the synopsis again in case you missed it. Currently there are "SwatKats" posters (which are outstanding, BTW) at certain K-Mart, Wal-Mart, and evidently Target stores. There will _not_ be another print run and the manufacturer has already shipped all that were produced, so act now if you want one. If none are available in your geographic area, e-mail me, and we might be able to work something out. 1) Home Videos: There are currently three video cassettes released to stores containing two first season episodes each, themed around one villian for each cassette. "Deadly Dr. Viper" has "Katastrophe" and "Destructive Nature"; "Strike of Dark Kat" has "Wrath of Dark Kat" and "Night of the Dark Kat"; and "Metallikats Attack" has "The Metallikats" and "Metal Urgency". Despite Turner promises of a heavy ad-campaign, the only stores that so far have the cassettes spotted are Suncoast, Reel Collections, and Tower Records in the USA, Rogers and Mega Movies in Canada. The US outlets currently only have them for sale, the Canadian outlets only for rental. Call your local Blockbuster to get them in the store. 2) Video Game Hudson Soft has come out with an SNES "SwatKats" game which just shipped to stores and should be available right now. The distributor "Astral" reports that the vid-game is currently "No. 5" in terms of retail orders, so there is considerable interest, and should be considerable market penetration throught the CONUS and Canada. 3) Action Figures. The action figure manufacturer is Remco, and the Kats line represents their re-entry into the action-figure arena after a multi-year absence. Originally, they were to produce Razor, T-Bone, the Metallikats, DarkKat, the PastMaster and the Turbokat, with plans for many of the Enforcer vehicles and other cast members. All you will see in the stores is the Kat-guys, Dr. Viper and DarkKat, with no immediate plans for followup releases. Christian Tremblay and another list-member report seeing the toys already in various K-Mart stores in the US, though my info says that Target and Toys R Us aren't scheduled to get them in until the 8th. Remco's Canadian distributor "Playtoy" reports that the line will not be carried north of the 49th. 4) T-Shirts and other paraphrenalia. Originally, some really cool Kats T-Shirts were created for the H-B "Employees Store", but were soon sold out (great feat for something "unpopular", huh?). Someone in H-B told me that they have aspirations of making certain items like this available from the fan-relations aspect of H-B, but "everything is up in the air right now". Currently, aside from the items mentioned in 1-3, there are only a handful of Taiwanese Trinkets from the likes of Gordy Toy, such as a SwatKats one-cell "Flash Gun", and some other things like rumoured keychains and watches. Again, market penetration varies _greatly_ with geography. (So far, mainly mid-west, Illinois, Iowa etc.). ****Write Hanna-Barbera! Hanna-Barbera Cartoons 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. Hollywood, CA 90068 Attn: Fred Seibert From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 13:22:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA04971 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:49:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 12:50:48 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Message-ID: <9507311250.aa21618@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >-On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: >- >-> ObSK: I really enjoyed "Mutation City" yesterday! I'd never seen >-> this one, and really enjoyed the "buddy" aspects of this one. Dr. >-> Viper is I think my favorite villain, so that was good as well. > >- ...all heavy character stuff that made this just about my >favourite ep .... Yes! As Andy said, the guys were _real_ in this one, more like real people with real personalities, rather than the forced angst that passes for "personality" elsewhere. >I rather enjoy it, too, and not only because it's the one that Dr. >Konway has his cameo in. ;) Well, that too, Dr. K! Every time his name was mentioned I was LMAO. Couldn't help it. And it wasn't a cameo either; more of a minor part, but a good one. Now if only they had Katalyst 99 in this one too..... :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply "Wow! He DOES have eyes in the back of his head!" - Razor "Do guns make you nervous?" "Guns have their uses. Idiots with guns make me nervous" --- CB, DW5 From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jul 31 13:49:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05481 for kats-ll; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:21:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos In-Reply-To: <9507310948.aa21180@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > ObSK: I really enjoyed "Mutation City" yesterday! I'd never seen > this one, and really enjoyed the "buddy" aspects of this one. Dr. > Viper is I think my favorite villain, so that was good as well. > Somehow I didn't care for the way Callie looked in this ep. The > interaction between Feral and Felina was right on the mark for > elder/junior-family-member-in-same-career. I had never seen it before either. And whenver I see one I hadn't seen before, I keep saying "wow! This is a good espisode!", then after a few seconds. "wait a minute.. They're all good!". I almost wanna cry when I think that they are probably wont be any new ones. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub -------------------------------------------------------------------------