From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 02:36:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA05242 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 02:36:52 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 02:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: To Everyone... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HPZ171WO8I8X4W61@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Er....No comment pal. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 02:50:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA05358 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 02:50:41 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 02:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Does Feral know? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HPZ1KN3QWO8X4W61@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: First of all we don't know how long Jake and Chance have been on the Enforcers, and you can't forget about the training they had to go through to become official Enfocers. If Jake and Chance were top of their class and we all know that they were, Feral will remember that cause they are number one in the class and that sticks out in ones mind a lot easier. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 02:56:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA05388 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 02:56:40 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 02:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Christian Tremblay says Hello... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HPZ1VH1V2M8X4W61@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I'll break out the large rat traps instead. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 03:01:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA05422 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 03:01:42 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 03:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Live Action SWAT Kats? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HPZ1X3KRES8X4W61@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I have to agree with Kevin L. Knoles on that one. Why don't they put a lot of time and effort in making the annimation more realistic instead. May-be do the first fully Ray-trace movie. Imagine a Mega Kat City in 3-D that you actually feel like your living in it, or you in the Turbo Kat's cockpit and your flying around at march 3+ and you can feel yourself moving in your chair for the fear of falling out of your seat. They should keep it in annimation format but really put the effort into it big time. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 03:03:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA05444 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 03:03:01 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 03:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Live Action SWAT Kats? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HPZ23IOC8A8X4W61@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Yea, how could I forget the sound. Really utilize the full THX sound format or if there is a better one out there then use it. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 16:05:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08293 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 16:05:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9505012005.AA16127@cisk> Subject: Re: Does Feral know? To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 1 May 95 13:05:12 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 962 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: $FROM@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: X-UIDL: 799358269.001 Date: Mon, 1 May 95 14:48:36 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Does Feral know? O.k. -- here's my take. First off a local channel here in mighty Mt. Vernon, IL started running second season episodes on Sunday mornings two weeks ago, so now I'm catching up with alot of you. In fact, they claim "catch a *new* Swatkats every Sunday!!!!" Second, they showed "Cavern of Horror" this weekend. Even though Feral told Lt. Feral not to go with the guys down into the caverns, he didn't put up much fight when she did, and he wished them luck. I take this as meaning that he at least trusts them with his nieces life. Not that he was heavily shown in this episode, it came across to me that this is a "kinder, gentler" Feral. He showed concern when he though "they've been down there too long", instead of the usual hard-edge "I'll blame them if this screws up" attitude. Thoughts, opinions??? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 16:31:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA08435 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 16:31:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9505012031.AA16749@cisk> Subject: Kat stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 1 May 95 13:31:07 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 865 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: In an effort to cut down on the signal-to-noise ratio of the list, I'm going to try moderating the list for about a week or so. If it works, and if the list readership agrees to it, I'll make it the standard policy of the list. Kevin queries: I'm just wondering, how is SWAT Kats spelled? I believe the "official" spelling is "SWAT Kats" (full title: SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron). When I wrote Hanna-Barbera about the show, the letter I received from them had that particular spelling and capitalization. Also, the TV guide, TBS (when it advertises SK) and the Prevue Channel spell it the same way, so I've also adopted the same spelling. Of course, on the list we can always shorten it to SK. ;-) -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 19:18:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA09433 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 19:18:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9505012318.AA22109@cisk> Subject: Re: Swat Kats Love To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 1 May 95 16:18:07 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 914 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > This is sort of an extension of the other post, but what the heck. >Assuming Callie and Felina are the only two eligible females, I'd be >tempted to pair T-Bone and Felina, and Razor with Callie. Felina strikes Your pairings are agreeable, but what about Anne Gora? She appears too often to be disregarded. > Callie's written in there for all the .fandom people - she's quite a >babe for a splotch of ink and paint, though she doesn't have much to do >with the story, usually. Do you hear anyone complaining? :) I'm not a big furry fan, but I think of the three I like Anne Gora the best, even if she is a reporter :) I guess the voice has much to do with it (Candy Milo?). Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 19:23:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA09471 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 19:23:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9505012323.AA22300@cisk> Subject: Re: New Technology! To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 1 May 95 16:23:00 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 2321 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 1 May 95 19:19:22 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New Technology! > I'm not so certain what to call the next missle. I'm not even certain of >how it works. There may be many different versions of it. Anyhow, the missle >would fly to its target, decelerate, and then stick to it. It would detonate >after a set time or when Razor pushes a button. It may use some find of fast >working superglue, a suction cup, or magnets to do this, but I can't decide >which. It might be best to have one version of each like I suggested, but I'm >just not certain at this point. I don't know what it would be called, or if >the different versions should have different names, so feel free to suggest >names for it/them. Perhaps "Limpet Missile", since its function is identical to that of limpet mines used against ships - stick to a target and detonate at some later time. Makes a hell of a threat, to know that it's there but not when it's going to blow you up. > Canards: Front wheel steering is used on cars becaue it much easier to >control where the vehicle is headed rather than try and turn it from where it's >been. As similiar thing applies to aircraft. Canards, small horizontal >control surfaces placed ahead of the wings, are featured on high tech >jets such as the B-1, X-29, and YF-22. It might be a good idea to include >some type of canards on the nose of the TurboKat in addition to keeping the >horizontal/vertical stabilizers located toward the rear. This would >greatly increase manuverability and might allow for cushioning of bumpy air. If >the TurboKat is the size I think it is, then canards should be trapezoids about >one foot wide by two and a half feet long and just in front of and under the >cockpit. This makes sense, as it sounds like the STOL F-15 experiment of a few years ago, which added canards and partially vectoring nozzles to an F-15 to improve takeoff performance. Also improves maneuverability. The little surfaces on the B-1 are not true canards, BTW; you may be thinking of the XB-70. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 20:12:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA09631 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 20:12:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9505020011.AA23812@cisk> Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Love To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 1 May 95 17:11:57 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1616 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: Andy Hill Reply-To: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Swat Kats Love On Mon, 1 May 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > Your pairings are agreeable, but what about Anne Gora? She appears > too often to be disregarded. There's a fairly good reason for this, on my part at any rate, I didn't simply just disregrard her. I have come across a lot of "career women", and Ann strikes me as extremely focused (focussed?) with little room for romance. It's almost like she's written that way to ward off any attempts to integrate the female aspect of her character as some kind of plot device. > > Callie's written in there for all the .fandom people - she's quite a > >babe for a splotch of ink and paint, though she doesn't have much to do > >with the story, usually. > Do you hear anyone complaining? :) I'm not a big furry fan, but I > think of the three I like Anne Gora the best, even if she is a > reporter :) I guess the voice has much to do with it (Candy Milo?). The furry.fandom thing in cartoons is self-perpetuating. Furry folk who have an "interest" in such characters are often looked down upon by the studios, yet the character developers create aspects of Callie, Felina and Ann specifically to appeal to such people. Go fig. I suppose the same could be said of Razor and T-Bone, but it's less (IMO) obvious. As far as Furry-infatuation with the characters, I usually find it makes the particular person interesting, not a sicko, but I know others that hold the complete opposite opinion - they're just usually more vocal. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 1 20:53:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA09968 for kats-ll; Mon, 1 May 1995 20:53:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9505020053.AA24551@cisk> Subject: The Three Missing eps... To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 1 May 95 17:53:10 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 3172 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 17:56:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: The Three Missing eps... To: kats@sard.mv.net Okay, I got a draft of the upcoming article in Animato! - and it's outstanding. I have to stick to the "10 percent" reviewers rule, so I can only quote portions of it to a maximum of 10 percent. These are the three eps that would have taken place after "Unlikely Alloys". They have had the storyboards done and the voice tracks laid, but are just kind of in cold storage at the moment. 1) "Turmoil II: The Revenge" "Turmoil busts out of jail. It opens up in a women's prison, and this big mole machine comes out of the ground and (the prisoners) all pile into it. Turmoil bustsout the entire women's prison, and they all work for her. She gets a hold of a massivelaser satellite system, or a big death beam -- I've forgotten exactly what it was. It's controlled from her fortress, which is a castle on top of a snowbound mountain. The SWAT Kats must scale the mountain and do all this snow fighting stuff. It's real James Bond-ish. " (Lance Falk quoted from a phone conversation with the article author. Reprinted with permission, as with the following two.) 2) "Doctors of Doom" "Dr.Viper teams up with Dr. Harley Street, the alien-possessed scientist from the 'Ci-Kat-A' (hence the title). They create a lot of monsters that have to be blown up within 22 minutes. I hardly remember that one". 3) "The Curse of Kataluna" "It was a succubus story, about a woman that Commander Feral really had a thing for, and she was really draining the life out of him. He was getting older and older through the show, until he was practically a mummy at the end. (Kataluna) drained his energy and became this big, huge harpy, and she had other harpy things that helped her, and they were terrorizing the city". The SWAT Kats became involved when a justifiably concerned Felina Feral called on them to help save her uncle. Kataluna was voiced by Nancy Linari, who had played Morticia on H-B's 1992-1994 'Addams Family' series. " 'Kataluna' was a real strong episode with another terrific female villain", Falk says. "It used Commander Feral more than any of the other shows that used him -- it was really Feral's episode". Dr. Sinian also appears; after helping the SWAT Kats defeat The Pastmaster and The Red Lynx, she's an old hand at handling supernatural villains by now. Finally, the Tremblays created a character that the SWAT Kats producers never used: Nimbus the Weather Warrior, who Falk describes as "a weather villain who rode a big motorcycle". ___________________________________________________________________________ END OF QUOTED TEXT. I'll throw some other background/behind scenes stuff out on the list, but anyone who's even remotely a fan should grab this article when it appears in the June issue of "Animato!". If you don't know where to get it, e-me, or I can post the info to the list if their is sufficient interest. I also got copies of the action-figure package art in the mail, and a look at what the ac-figures look like. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 02:48:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA11931 for kats-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 02:48:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9505020648.AA27430@cisk> Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Love To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 1 May 95 23:48:39 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1007 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Date: Tue, 2 May 95 01:44:08 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Content-Length: 898 Andy Hill wrote: > The furry.fandom thing in cartoons is self-perpetuating. Furry folk >who have an "interest" in such characters are often looked down upon by >the studios, yet the character developers create aspects of Callie, >Felina and Ann specifically to appeal to such people. That's because a lot of the people doing this stuff are "furry"-fans, themselves. And, yes, they're often looked down upon by their co- workers. In fact, I'm told that any artist who gets the "furry" label stuck on them can have a hard time in the industry. And often this attitude is very hypocritical. An acquaintence of mine who was a production manager at one studio told me of one of his co-workers, an animation director who was constantly down on anything "furry." Yet this same fellow would come in on weekends in order to get a female character he was working on to "look just right." -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 20:18:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16288 for kats-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:18:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9505030018.AA07803@cisk> Subject: Re: New Technology! To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Tue, 2 May 95 17:18:16 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 594 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: klknole@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Kevin L. Knoles) Subject: Movie Stuff (Later) To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 17:41:01 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <01HPZ1X3KRES8X4W61@delphi.com> from "WKOZIOL@delphi.com" at May 1, 95 03:01:38 am Status: RO Uhh...I really don't have time to do it now, but I've got tons of ideas about the movie and I'll post them later. I wrote a bunch of stuff months ago before I even knew about the Internet and I'll post a lot of it... say...this Fiday. Just wait until then, OK? Kevin L. Knoles From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 20:20:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16309 for kats-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 20:20:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9505030019.AA07840@cisk> Subject: Re: New Technology! To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Tue, 2 May 95 17:19:58 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1857 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: klknole@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Kevin L. Knoles) Subject: Re: New Technology! To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 18:03:13 -0500 (CDT) > Date: Mon, 1 May 95 19:19:22 EDT > From: Ed Rudnicki > To: kats@sard.mv.net > Subject: Re: New Technology! > > Perhaps "Limpet Missile", since its function is identical to that of > Sounds good to me. Limpet Missile it is. > This makes sense, as it sounds like the STOL F-15 experiment of a > few years ago, which added canards and partially vectoring nozzles > to an F-15 to improve takeoff performance. Also improves > maneuverability. The little surfaces on the B-1 are not true > canards, BTW; you may be thinking of the XB-70. > I haven't kept up with aviation in a few years (used to really love the stuff). I think I may have heard about the STOL F-15, but must have forgotten all about it. I should have known that those little things on the B-1 weren't Canards since I own "The Great Book of Modern Warplanes" which has a chapter devoted to it. My memory must be going for me to have forgotten about the X-B70 (Six engines called the Six Pack could push it to Mach 3.5, WoW!). Those canards are about the right shape, though way too big for the TurboKat even when proportion is considered. Just thought of a cool scene from a future episode: We're at a "camera" angle looking at the TurboKat at a 30 some degree angle from it's centerline. The nose is looming huge in our face and T-Bone and Razor are plainly visible in the cockpit while the background fades back and blurrs off. T-Bone yanks back on the stick, the canards pivot accordingly and the TurboKat spins on the axis of its wings in response. We see its underbelly fly right over us. *That* would look cool. Kevin L. Knoles klknole@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 2 23:56:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17599 for kats-ll; Tue, 2 May 1995 23:56:30 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 23:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Window stickers? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ1O6Y6U8Y93F9NI@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I was wondering if anyone has seen any kind of vinyl window stickers (the type you've seen in the back windows of cars) of any SK characters? I bought a sticker of Pepe LePew (my favorite WB L-T character) at a flea market. They were cutting them on a computer as needed and many were not "legal" in terms of copyrights. It looked as if they were using AutoCAD for the graphics and a vinyl plotter/cutter. Sorry if this is too far off the topic... -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 00:25:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA17916 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:25:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9505030425.AA10313@cisk> Subject: Re: Kat stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Tue, 2 May 95 21:25:17 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 550 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Subject: Re: Kat stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sun, 30 Apr 95 14:15:00 PDT, duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) wrote: >First off, the list has been fairly prolific lately and at least >two people have told me they're planning to un-subscribe from the >list because of its volume. I'm thinking of creating a digest, Perhaps it is time to consider starting a usenet newsgroup along the lines of "alt.tv.fan.swatkats" or similar. Of course we would not have to eliminate the list server, just have the newgroup to enhance discussion. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 00:46:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA18024 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:46:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 00:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Kat stuff In-Reply-To: <9505030425.AA10313@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 2 May 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Subject: Re: Kat stuff > To: kats@sard.mv.net > > On Sun, 30 Apr 95 14:15:00 PDT, > duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) wrote: > > >First off, the list has been fairly prolific lately and at least > >two people have told me they're planning to un-subscribe from the > >list because of its volume. I'm thinking of creating a digest, > > Perhaps it is time to consider starting a usenet newsgroup along > the lines of "alt.tv.fan.swatkats" or similar. Of course we would > not have to eliminate the list server, just have the newgroup to > enhance discussion. This list will soon have a digest option. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 00:47:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA18041 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:47:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 21:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Window stickers? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQ1O6Y6U8Y93F9NI@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 2 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has seen any kind of > vinyl window stickers (the type you've seen in > the back windows of cars) of any SK characters? Currently, the only licensed SK stuff is the target-ball thing, and the SK watches. There were two different variations of the "SWATKATS" name/logo on stickers that were distributed through fan-mail responses, one was intended to stick on the inside of a car windshield, and the other was an all-purpose one for any surface. I do not believe that any more exist (I have one). When I _finally_ get hold of H-B regarding the fan-stuff, they may be considering enclosing the stickers again in fan-mail replies, what would people like to see? SK logo, one of the characters, or my choice - both of the characters? The H-B employee store also _had_ some SK stuff, including a really cool T-Shirt that said "Animation Ground Crew" on the back, and had a 'KAT guy fighter pilot depicted wearing the pilots mask. They are evidently "sold out", though I suspect the stuff was moved after the cancel order. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 00:58:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA18102 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 00:57:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Kat stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505030425.AA10313@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 2 May 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Perhaps it is time to consider starting a usenet newsgroup along > the lines of "alt.tv.fan.swatkats" or similar. Of course we would > not have to eliminate the list server, just have the newgroup to > enhance discussion. I did suggest something similar earlier, but I was dissuaded at that time because the list was still manageable, and not too many folk complained about too much mail. That's changed. There are two positives for a newsgroup. One, people just getting those "on-ramp" programs usually first look for newsgroups relating to the TV shows etc. that they are interested in, they won't be too successful looking for "alt.fan.swatkats". Two, Turner Group monitors the fan groups for marketing purposes - traffic in such a 'KATS group wouldn't go unnoticed, and we could write about 'KATS all day long without anyone complaining. The list should still be maintained, with a common FAQ for both, and "important" stuff echoed from the newsgroup to the list for people whose lives don't allow for another newsgroup to read. Downside. The multi-group spamming problem is getting worse, and "we ain't seen nothin' yet" as providers keep selling 'net access as a cure for cancer. The 'KATS signal to noise ratio may drop a bit in comparison to the list, but that's why God invented "CTRL K". Personal preference, "Alt.fan.swatkats" as opposed to "alt.tv.swatkats" - as the 'KAT guys flight-plan will probably take them multi-media. It will also make life easier for those people who contribute "anonymously" to my mailbox now for me to paraphrase - they could simply post it to the newsgroup themselves. I've already had four "thumbs up" on this, but I'm no USENET arch-mage, so I have no idea how to go about creating such a beast. Thoughts, analysis? Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 08:51:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA19980 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 08:51:48 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: kat newsgroup In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 03 May 1995 01:06:04 EDT. Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:51:30 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95May3.085135edt.45653@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: well, I can handle the newsgroup creation process, if everyone decides a newsgroup is a good idea. though it might be better to have someone who's been keeping up with recent politics in alt.config. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 09:59:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA20416 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 09:59:31 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Love In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 01 May 1995 20:11:57 EDT. <9505020011.AA23812@cisk> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:59:16 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95May3.095921edt.45662@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill: > Furry folk who have an "interest" in such characters are often > looked down upon by the studios, yet the character developers create > aspects of Callie, Felina and Ann specifically to appeal to such > people. Go fig. easy. it's called "pandering" :). (or it's rationalized that way.) hmm. I don't remember thinking of either Razor or T-Bone as visually attractive. well, they're both pretty enough, and falling in love with them wouldn't be hard. Anne Gora. yah, she's a career woman, married to her job, etc. but for some reason I think she's married. not sure why. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 11:18:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA21043 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:18:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 95 11:20:30 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Window stickers? Message-ID: <9505031120.aa27324@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > Currently, the only licensed SK stuff is the target-ball thing, and >the SK watches. There were two different variations of the "SWATKATS" Really? In my local PathMark there's a couple of SK "flashlight guns". It's basically a pistol-shaped flashlight, with a PBNO switch for the "trigger". It appears legit. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 11:22:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA21081 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 11:22:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 95 11:26:07 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Love Message-ID: <9505031126.aa27355@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Felix Lee writes: >Andy Hill: >> Furry folk who have an "interest" in such characters are often >> looked down upon by the studios, yet the character developers create >> aspects of Callie, Felina and Ann specifically to appeal to such >> people. Go fig. > >easy. it's called "pandering" :). (or it's rationalized that way.) > >hmm. I don't remember thinking of either Razor or T-Bone as visually >attractive. well, they're both pretty enough, and falling in love >with them wouldn't be hard. Making female furries more anthropomorphized than males is the classic indicator of "pandering". Again, the studios look down on it, yet very deliberately do it. BTW, what does "pretty enough" have to do with falling in love? :) Granted, it's nice, but it wouldn't really work the other way, from what I said in my first paragraph. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 12:15:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA21501 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 12:15:16 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fa7abf623ef002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 3 May 95 11:14:46 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Window stickers? Content-Length: 163 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I had heard from a friend that there were a series of SWAT KATS toys included in Kids' Meals from White Castle, though I've never been able to verify that. -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 17:10:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA24413 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 17:10:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 17:10:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199505032110.RAA04897@k12.oit.umass.edu> From: framos@k12.oit.umass.edu (Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Window stickers? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Am I late? Glad to be on the list, folks! So, like, tell me... if Turner gonna bring SK's back from bein' cancelled or is he too yellow to admit he did a stupid thing? Ciao! -Dan "Sonic" Ramos (Sonic @ FurTooniaMUCK) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 17:39:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA24768 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 17:39:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 95 17:44:13 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Love Message-ID: <9505031744.aa28222@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: >On Mon, 1 May 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: >> Your pairings are agreeable, but what about Anne Gora? She appears >> too often to be disregarded. > > There's a fairly good reason for this, on my part at any rate, I >didn't simply just disregrard her. I have come across a lot of "career >women", and Ann strikes me as extremely focused (focussed?) with little >room for romance. It's almost like she's written that way to ward off >any attempts to integrate the female aspect of her character as some kind >of plot device. But what you said about Ann is also true of Felina and Callie. Both are _very_ dedicated to their jobs. Perhaps the difference is one of degree, but IMHO not all that much. If anything, Felina Feral is more dedicated than Ann Gora. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 18:38:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA25230 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 18:38:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9505032238.AA19483@cisk> Subject: Living on Razor's Edge... To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Wed, 3 May 95 15:38:06 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1338 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Nice, catchy little subject title. Too bad it has nothing to do whatsoever with this post. ;-) OK, some quick administrivia. As you may have noticed, the list is no longer under moderation. Instead, we'll be setting up a digest, for those of you who don't want your mailbox filling up with a lot of mail (what the digest will do is ultimately give you fewer messages, but each message will contain more in terms of volume). Paul, can you let us know when the digest option is ready? Also, just because I said the list was prolific doesn't mean that everyone has to clam up. I don't bite (well, most of the time, anyway ;-), but seriously -- I'd like to hear from the listers, particularly the lurkers. Remember, any discussions relating to the SWAT Kats (or even furry fandom, or felines, because the Kats are anthrofelines) are most certainly on-topic. If I see something going too much off-topic, I'll either warn the list or take it to personal email. The newsgroup: I think it's a great idea because the messages about the 'Kats are being lost in rec.arts.animation (and even in alt.fan.furry). I'll do my best to keep the list going whether or not the newsgroup succeeds. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 23:09:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA26963 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 23:09:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 20:17:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Window stickers? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <2fa7abf623ef002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 3 May 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > > I had heard from a friend that there were a series of SWAT KATS toys > included in Kids' Meals from White Castle, though I've never been > able to verify that. > > -Tim Yep. Looked into this, and there were such creations. We don't have "White Castle" in Canada, but a friend saw the SwatKATS stuff in Ohio, called the head office, and evidently got the last three around. Anyone have spares? Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 23:19:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA27019 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 23:19:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 20:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Window stickers? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199505032110.RAA04897@k12.oit.umass.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 3 May 1995, Fernando Ramos wrote: > Glad to be on the list, folks! So, like, tell me... > if Turner gonna bring SK's back from bein' cancelled or is he > too yellow to admit he did a stupid thing? Dana, think we just found our first FAQ entry? Here's where it stands now. The show is officially cancelled, though it is scheduled to run on TBS at least through July. All production materials have evidently been forwarded from Hanna-Barbera to Turner Home Video. They have three unfinished ones that have had the voice tracks laid, and the storyboards done - but there are no plans to finish them in the near future. There are two big rumours. One, Turner cancelled it despite its number one status in the Neilsen's because he "suddenly realized how violent it was", something corroborated to an extent by a similar statement made regarding H-B's decision (?) not to pursue the "Nexus" property. The second rumour is that both the Cartoon Network and Hanna-Barbera are losing substantial amounts of cash - but a 15 million dollar construction project has just started there, so I tend to discount this one for now. Christian Tremblay was told that "the show wasn't making money" - truly amazing for such a wonderful timeslot - 4:35 am Western - and the fans and press were told that "merchandise wasn't selling". Guess not enough people ate at White Castle, huh? Many of the creative people (and significant others) realize the cancellation was a horrible mistake, but they don't sign the cheques - Turner does - and since he's rich, he doesn't make mistakes in the public eye. Andy (if you're playing "catch up", I can e-mail you a synopsis of stuff I've found out) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 23:42:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA27103 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 23:42:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 20:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Ann Gora, with Katseye News! (...or some junk...) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: First off, the toy release has been moved up to June. I got some photographs of the stuff, to be honest, I'm not too fond of the ac-figures - they don't much look like the show versions, and it's a bit hard to see an obvious difference between T-Bone and Razor. I'm going to buy them anyway, and probably multiple copies for down the road. If it's going to be June, I'll see if I can find a way to get the package art scanned in and put up - unfortunately, real life is starting to drag on my time at the moment. Next, "quote of the day" from Lance Falk. When I heard it, he just about nailed my opinion of some of the scripts and their respective writers to a "T". He said: "Problem was, I was writing for fifteen year olds, and Glenn Leopold was writing for five year olds. We should've both been writing for ten year olds!" Also, some background info on "When Strikes Mutilor", which I've not seen, from Mark Lungo's upcoming Animato! article, via Lance Falk. Seems that Lance's "writing for fifteen year olds" would have come up with a novel ending, had he not been told to change it by the same individual who reminded him the audience was "ten year olds". Initially, Lance had intended the ending to work thus, quoted: "..(the SWATKats) rally these aliens, they free the ship, they get the bad guy, and at the very end, the saucer's taking off and the little computer voice says, "Okay, the environment's back to normal", and the (aliens) look at each other and one says "Wow! A planet of intelligent cats! How interesting!" and the other guy says, "Well, it's a big universe. Anything is possible". And then you back away and you see an American flag on the wall, and what you're seeing in one fell swoop is that the SWAT Kats is absolutely (set) on another planet in the future." An executive, who shall remain nameless, said "Naaah, just make them cat aliens instead", and that's how we get the actual ending. "Mutilor" is the name of one of Lance's director buddies' pet goldfish, and he came up with the name "Turmoil" as an anagram of it. Andy (...rapidly approaching his "ten percent") _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." (Thanks Lance. Some of us got the reference - eventually!) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 3 23:46:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA27129 for kats-ll; Wed, 3 May 1995 23:46:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9505040346.AA22755@cisk> Subject: SWAT Kats FAQ To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Wed, 3 May 95 20:46:18 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 3292 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: OK, here's the first draft of the FAQ. If you have any corrections or additions, please *email* (don't post unless you want other people on your tail for wasting bandwidth ;-). SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron Frequently Asked Questions =========================================================== _SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron_ is a cartoon created in 1993 by two Canadian-French brothers, Christian Tremblay and Yvon Tremblay. Using their self-taught drawing skills and their own money, they managed to sell their creation of anthropomorphic felines, otherwise known as "Kats", to Hanna-Barbera. H-B produced 23 episodes of the SWAT Kats, 13 for the first season (1993-94) and 10 for the second season (1994-95). The second season fell three episodes shy of a full set because, in the middle of production, Turner Entertainment ordered H-B to cancel production of the series. The reason that Turner gave at the time was because the show wasn't moving merchandise -- although the series hardly had any merchandise to begin with! Therefore, Turner decided to yank the show even though it had been doing very well in the ratings. Three episodes have been storyboarded and the voice tracks laid down, but are currently still in limbo (and may very well become the "lost episodes" of the series). TBS will be carrying the series through at least July 1995; after that, it may run independently, but most likely the series will be dropped completely from the air. Rumor has it, however, that Turner cancelled the series because of its violence and not because of the lack of merchandise. In fact, there should be some merchandise hitting the store shelves this summer; look for action figures (T-Bone, Razor, Dark Kat and Doctor Viper) produced by Remco as well as a Super Nintendo game (none for Sega yet), both of which are due out in July. There's also a poster available at the K-Mart in Inglewood, CA; other locations may also carry it, but you may have to hunt for it. The animation studios involved in _Kats_ production are Hanho Heung-Up and Mook, both of which are Korean animation studios. Both seasons' episodes show an anime (Japanimation) influence, especially the second season's episodes, which were animated entirely by Mook. Christian Tremblay apparently wanted Mook to do all of the episodes, but found it uneconomical to do so. Write your local station that carries the SWAT Kats (and/or TBS)! Tell them how much you like the series! TBS also has an email address, but snail mail letters are usually taken much more seriously than email. While we're on the subject of letter writing, you can also write Hanna- Barbera at: Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuega Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90068-1378 H-B makes 11 copies of every letter it goes and sends a copy to the creators, Christian and Yvon Tremblay. Are you interested in joining a _Kats_ fan club? The club is unofficial at the moment, but you can email either Walt Koziol (wkoziol@delphi.com) or me (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu / razor@netcom.com) for details. We'll need your snail mail address if you want to join (no membership fees yet). -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 00:58:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA27667 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 00:58:14 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fa85ece4dc5002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 3 May 95 23:57:50 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Window stickers? Content-Length: 968 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy wrote: >On Wed, 3 May 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: >> >> I had heard from a friend that there were a series of SWAT KATS toys >> included in Kids' Meals from White Castle, though I've never been >> able to verify that. >> >> -Tim > Yep. Looked into this, and there were such creations. We don't have >"White Castle" in Canada, but a friend saw the SwatKATS stuff in Ohio, >called the head office, and evidently got the last three around. Anyone >have spares? I've heard that the Krystal's chain is modeled after White Castle (only the food is supposed to be worse--hard to believe!). Basically, they sell these little, steam-cooked squares of meat-like substance between a greasy buns and call them hamburgers. Their motto is "Buy 'em by the sack." These little gems are also known affectionately as "gut bombs" or "sliders." Anyway, if anyone knows what these White Castle SWAT KATS giveaways actually were, please let us know! -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 01:26:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA27883 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 01:26:48 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 01:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ann Gora, with Katseye News! (...or some junk...) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ35LPZ3SY8X5CHN@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: As for the scanning bit I could do it all you have to do is send it to me and then I'll uuencode it to who ever wants it. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 02:40:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA28209 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 02:40:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 02:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Ann Gora, with Katseye News! (...or some junk...) In-Reply-To: <01HQ35LPZ3SY8X5CHN@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 4 May 1995 WKOZIOL@delphi.com wrote: > As for the scanning bit I could do it all you have to do is send it to me and > then I'll uuencode it to who ever wants it. Or upload it to my ftp site: ftp.mv.com /pub/users/rat/incoming/ and I'll put it in: /pub/users/rat/kats/images/ I'll do this for any Kat image. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 08:00:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA29158 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 08:00:19 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9505040759.ZM24063@tekdev-10> Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 07:59:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) "Living on Razor's Edge..." (May 3, 3:38pm) References: <9505032238.AA19483@cisk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Living on Razor's Edge... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On May 3, 3:38pm, Dana Uehara wrote: > Subject: Living on Razor's Edge... > Nice, catchy little subject title. Too bad it has nothing to do whatsoever > with this post. ;-) > > Also, just because I said the list was prolific doesn't mean that everyone > has to clam up. I don't bite (well, most of the time, anyway ;-), but > seriously -- I'd like to hear from the listers, particularly the lurkers. The purpose of a lurker is to lurk, if you make them respond they will loose their purpose in life. > Remember, any discussions relating to the SWAT Kats (or even furry > fandom, or felines, because the Kats are anthrofelines) are most > certainly on-topic. If I see something going too much off-topic, I'll > either warn the list or take it to personal email. > > The newsgroup: I think it's a great idea because the messages about > the 'Kats are being lost in rec.arts.animation (and even in alt.fan.furry). Taking the newsgroup to the next level rec.arts.animation.swatkats would be perfect for the limitations of the news reader gateway. We are not allowed any of the alt groups. > I'll do my best to keep the list going whether or not the newsgroup succeeds. > > -- > =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== > "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor >-- End of excerpt from Dana Uehara -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 10:04:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA29876 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:04:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 07:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I will make the time to get colour copies of the stuff I have, and send them to WKOZIOL to put up on Ratman's site. So far, I've got an early poster from Christian and Yvon Tremblay that essentially shows the early concept of the TurboKat and T-Bone, with an early version of "The Giant Bacteria" in the background, about to eat the TurboKat. I've got the package art for the toy release, and some B&W pics of what the MetalliKats and others would have looked like had they been produced. I'm getting a huge book of artwork from back east, an in-house marketing thing, and I'll copy some things out of that for posting to the FTP site also. It'll be fun, and Ted won't earn a dime - what more could you ask for. "Evil Side of the SWATkats". This isn't exactly my favourite episode, although the idea is great (kind of a mirror of the old Trek "Mirror-Mirror" ep). Two complaints, mainly because this ep managed to directly focus on ten year olds. One, not all the characters were "reverse polarity", which was really irritating, and some of those that initially exhibited "evil" traits eventually settled back down into their standard characters when it was evident they were "mistaken". Second, the character models for the "evil" T-Bone and Razor were too extreme - there was no conceivable way that T-Bone could easily mistake evil Razor for real Razor and similar with Razor mistaking T-Bone. What I really liked in this ep was the way that the 'KAT guys _acted_ differently. In the scene where our Razor and T-Bone sneak past the PumaDyne guard, they do it non-confrontationally, after all - the guard is asleep. Our 'KAT guys jump through all the infra-red beams and have a conversation at the end, "quite the workout" etc. Cut to evil Razor and T-Bone doing the same thing. Evil Razor makes sure he wakes up the guard just to punch his lights out, and when these guys run the infra-red corridor, T-Bone knocks Razor to the ground, and they also have a "conversation", but they hate each other - in direct contrast to our 'KATS. The creative people did lots of "little" subtle things to offset some of the over-the-top stuff. Notice that in the scenes where the two TurboKats are battling it out, Evil Razor works the weapons panel just as our Razor, but his claws are always extended! In this ep we learn that 'KATS have to shave...our 'KATS do, evil 'KATS don't. "Subtle" take-two: Commander Feral in our dimension hadn't shaved, Feral in the evil dimension had. Cool, huh? To top it all off, the writer of this episode was named "Katz"! Speaking of 'KATS shaving, how old do you thing the 'KAT guys are. I don't have anything like official information on this, but best guess would be 31 for Razor, and about 35 for T-Bone. Feral would be, I think, late forties. Kind of screws up "young hot-shots" but I think Feral would think anything younger than him would be a "young hot-shot". When I think of the pilot/Enforcer combination, I always seem to conjure up images of Roy Scheider in "Blue Thunder" for some reason, hence the age guesses. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." (Thanks Lance. Some of us got the reference - eventually!) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 10:16:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA29977 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 10:16:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 07:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Love, turned up a few degrees... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505031744.aa28222@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 3 May 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > But what you said about Ann is also true of Felina and Callie. Both > are _very_ dedicated to their jobs. Perhaps the difference is one of > degree, but IMHO not all that much. If anything, Felina Feral is > more dedicated than Ann Gora. Ahhh...but here's the difference! Felina is focused on her career, but her career focuses on a passion for helping her fellow citizens - those "career women" I get along with just fine. Callie Briggs, though technically a loathsome politician, is also a career chick with the same goals as Felina; she also is there to help out MegaKat city. Journalists? Scary. Talked to a few, and the overwhelming impression I get is they're very concerned with bylines and promotions, some of them like being "where it all happens", but essentially they're just status-seekers and very much self-absorbed, neither of which could be said about the other two. Depends on your personal taste, but nothing turns me off more than someone who spends most of their time in the sole pursuit of self. Things might be different in MegaKat city, but the observation seems to hold true enough in MyCity. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 11:19:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00441 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 11:19:09 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fa8f039679a002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 4 May 95 10:18:17 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... Content-Length: 367 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I think the KATS are much younger than that; probably mid-20's. Seems to me that most air force pilots are "old hands" by the time they're 30. :) BTW, does anyone remember the interview with the Tremblays that was printed either in ANIMATION or WILD CARTOON KINGDOM? I recall it had a 4-panel strip done by the Tremblays (featuring themselves as the Swat Kats). From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 17:26:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA04153 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 17:22:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:22:56 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505042122.RAA04147@sard.mv.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: test of digest Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: this is a test of the digest feature. If it works, instructions will follow.... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 17:32:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA04318 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 17:29:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:29:47 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505042129.RAA04312@sard.mv.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: another test Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I think I got it this time. Sorry about this. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 17:40:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA04510 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 17:40:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:40:47 -0400 From: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Message-Id: <199505042140.RAA04510@sard.mv.net> Apparently-To: kats-ll@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-kats Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:37:17 -0400 From: owner-kats@sard.mv.net To: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Subject: BOUNCE kats: Admin request >From owner-kats Thu May 4 17:37:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA04433; Thu, 4 May 1995 17:37:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:37:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: kats digest activated!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ok, to subscribe to the digest version, mail to majordomo@lists.mv.net and put this in the message body: unsubscribe kats subscribe kats-digest end what's a digest you ask? Instead of distributing mail right after you send it to the list, it will store it, and send it in bunches. What it does, is if there are 30K or more of messages saved up, it sends off the digest. Feel free to experement. Just make sure you don't end up unsubscribing yourself from both lists! ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 23:35:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA06347 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 23:35:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Which poster saw the poster, and Fan-stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I've archived almost every message, except the one I need. Who saw the SWATKATS poster, and where? If I could get an idea of who the producing company is, it'd be helpful - I was told that there weren't going to be any. Next, tried to get the guy I'm supposed to talk to at H-B regarding fan-club/fan-mail handling, but now he's in Atlanta. I was told to try again Monday. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." (Thanks Lance. Some of us got the reference - eventually!) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 23:40:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA06399 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 23:40:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9505050340.AA04899@cisk> Subject: Re: Which poster saw the poster, and Fan-stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 4 May 95 20:40:30 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Andy Hill" at May 4, 95 08:44:44 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 867 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > I've archived almost every message, except the one I need. Who saw > the SWATKATS poster, and where? If I could get an idea of who the > producing company is, it'd be helpful - I was told that there weren't > going to be any. I guess it's only fitting that the list's founder be the one to shed some light on the poster (I know it exists, because it's hanging on my office wall as I'm typing this on the computer!). I didn't find the poster myself -- a friend found it for me (said he saw it at a K-Mart in Inglewood, CA). You might be able to find it at a K-Mart in your area -- if I can find out exactly where the K-Mart in my area is, I'll see if I can locate any more posters. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 4 23:43:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA06443 for kats-ll; Thu, 4 May 1995 23:43:23 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 23:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ4G7LSV1U93GHRI@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I would say that T-Bone's age is 28 and Razor's is about 23 or 24. The reason why I'm saying that is thats the pinnical of man's endurance, strength, and dexterity. If the writters are taking that into consideration then some of the moves that Razor and especially T-Bone when flying the Turbo Kat, they're extremely quick to react. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 02:16:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA07367 for kats-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 02:16:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 02:16:08 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505050616.CAA07361@sard.mv.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: test Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: had a minor bug. this test will show if there are any others... sorry about this. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 02:43:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA07562 for kats-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 02:43:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 23:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Which poster saw the poster, and Fan-stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505050340.AA04899@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 4 May 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > I guess it's only fitting that the list's founder be the one to shed some > light on the poster (I know it exists, because it's hanging on my office > wall as I'm typing this on the computer!). I didn't find the poster > myself -- a friend found it for me (said he saw it at a K-Mart in > Inglewood, CA). You might be able to find it at a K-Mart in your area -- > if I can find out exactly where the K-Mart in my area is, I'll see if I > can locate any more posters. Very fitting. I did check out the local K-Mart, and they can only help me out if I want Muted Morphine Pouter Rangers. They're the ones that told me there weren't any. Anybody, if you can find one (I guess there's only one) I can send cash your way. My wall has one empty spot left (the rest is TMNT posters). How cool looking are those flashlights mentioned earlier - gotta eventually have one of everything for posterity. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 02:47:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA07625 for kats-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 1995 02:47:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 02:47:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199505050647.CAA07625@sard.mv.net> From: owner-kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: kats V1 #4 Reply-To: Errors-To: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Status: O X-Status: kats Friday, 5 May 1995 Volume 01 : Number 004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-kats Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 02:19:20 -0400 Subject: kats V1 #3 kats Friday, 5 May 1995 Volume 01 : Number 003 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ratman Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 02:18:13 -0400 Subject: [none] test - ------------------------------ From: Ratman Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 02:18:47 -0400 Subject: [none] test - ------------------------------ End of kats V1 #3 ***************** ------------------------------ From: Andy Hill Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 23:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Which poster saw the poster, and Fan-stuff On Thu, 4 May 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > I guess it's only fitting that the list's founder be the one to shed some > light on the poster (I know it exists, because it's hanging on my office > wall as I'm typing this on the computer!). I didn't find the poster > myself -- a friend found it for me (said he saw it at a K-Mart in > Inglewood, CA). You might be able to find it at a K-Mart in your area -- > if I can find out exactly where the K-Mart in my area is, I'll see if I > can locate any more posters. Very fitting. I did check out the local K-Mart, and they can only help me out if I want Muted Morphine Pouter Rangers. They're the ones that told me there weren't any. Anybody, if you can find one (I guess there's only one) I can send cash your way. My wall has one empty spot left (the rest is TMNT posters). How cool looking are those flashlights mentioned earlier - gotta eventually have one of everything for posterity. Andy ------------------------------ End of kats V1 #4 ***************** From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 5 23:46:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA13411 for kats-ll; Fri, 5 May 1995 23:46:32 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 23:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Which poster saw the poster, and Fan-stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ5ULZLE8O93GAQZ@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com Same here, if anybody has several posters I'll be glad to send money to pick up several posters for me as well. I will appreciate it very much. Come to think of it, any SWAT Kats merchandise I will send money your way. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 00:08:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA13604 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 00:08:38 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 00:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ5VH15AEG971Z53@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 04 May 1995 Andy Hill wrote: > Speaking of 'KATS shaving, how old do you thing the 'KAT guys >are. I don't have anything like official information on this, but >best guess would be 31 for Razor, and about 35 for T-Bone. Feral >would be, I think, late forties. Kind of screws up "young >hot-shots" but I think Feral Hmmm... I don't know about that... I think I'd place them more along the lines of 24 for Razor and around 26 for T-Bone. I'm reminded a lot of the age of the pilots from Top Gun & would place them in the same age bracket. I will agree with you on Feral being in his 40s. After all, he does have a niece that's at least as old as the guys.. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 00:44:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA13712 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 00:44:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 21:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQ5VH15AEG971Z53@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 6 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > Hmmm... I don't know about that... I think I'd place them more > along the lines of 24 for Razor and around 26 for T-Bone. I'm > reminded a lot of the age of the pilots from Top Gun & would > place them in the same age bracket. I will agree with you on > Feral being in his 40s. After all, he does have a niece that's > at least as old as the guys.. Revised estimate. I would guess they'd been on the Force long enough for them and Feral to have created a "history" of sorts, say...what, three years? Most cops graduate from the Academy at about 22 or so, which puts Razor at 25, and T-Bone I'll still say closer to 30. Notice how we all agree Razor is younger than T-Bone, and for no definable reason? T-Bone's just bigger, but he seems more experienced somehow. Razor always comes off like "younger brother" - look at how many times T-Bone physically picks him up out of harms way. I can thing of three occasions of the top of my head: 1) "Dark Side of the SwatKats", when he picks up Razor and moves him just before Evil SwatKats missiles destroy the wall at PumaDyne. 2) "Bride of the Pastmaster", when T-Bone picks up Razor before he gets squashed flat by the Cyclops dude ("Don't take this hero stuff too seriously, buddy...") 3) "Bride of the Pastmaster" when T-Bone shoots Razor a line to grab on to before he falls headlong into the canyon. ("Whatever happened to 'thanks for the backup, buddy...' ?") Can't think of any where Razor saves T-Bone from similar circumstances (hmm..another story idea?). Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 01:46:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA14093 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 01:46:03 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 01:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ5YVKRM1E99NQES@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 05 May 1995 Andy Hill wrote: > Revised estimate. I would guess they'd been on the Force long >enough for them and Feral to have created a "history" of sorts, >say...what, three years? Most cops graduate from the Academy at about 22 Well, now we're getting back into that discussion that was going on earlier about how long and how well Feral knew Jake & Chance while they were Enforcers. And, as I mentioned before (in the other thread), that IMO, the guys weren't on the force for a very long period of time before Feral gave 'em the boot. Even so, we're pretty close on Razor's age at 24/25; but I still think T-Bone is in his mid to late 20s. The older one gets, the fewer the risks taken; and T-Bone certainly takes a lot of risks. Now that I think about it, was there some mention in an ep. about them being life-long friends and growing up together? Hmmm... >definable reason? T-Bone's just bigger, but he seems more >experienced somehow. Razor always comes off like "younger >brother" - look at how It may be that T-Bone's mentality is just that of the "older brother" & just takes charge whenever circumstances dictate. IMO, it is just a case of the dominant and submissive personalities indicative of everyone. (I promise, this is my last point) Also look at the way Razor seems to "make fun" of T-Bone for watching "Scaredy Cat" and his other "youthful" actions while Razor likes the "older" and more cerebral. Is this an indication of age or personality? Well, that's my $0.02 worth... -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 05:54:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA00139 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 05:41:32 -0400 From: klknole@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Kevin L. Knoles) Message-Id: <9505060723.AA77009@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: Movie Ideas To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 02:23:03 -0500 (CDT) Cc: klknole@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 14819 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I've made a few descriptions of movie scenes before, but I've never gone into much detail of what the movie's about. To let the truth be known, even I'm not certain - the film doesn't exist yet. All that I've really thought of are numerous tidbits and rough ideas that I think should be included. I do know that the film should be written and directed by the show's writers and directors, and animated by the good people at Mook. As far as cementing a concept and plot go, nada. I just have loose concepts and ideas. That's because I'm no writer, I'm just acting as an idea man. Here's just about everything I've thought of to date: How it should be animated: To give you an idea of how much animation costs and how long it takes, here's some rough estimates of what a few animated films have been made for (With date estimates where necessary) and about how long they took (If I know). Keep in mind that most of this is from memory, and I can't be certain about everything: Akira $7 million over 2 years (a *very* questionable estimate) All Dogs Go To Heaven II $20 million Batman: Mask of the Phatasm ~$3 million (I'm kinda uncertain.) The Black Cauldron $25 million (in early 80's dollars) over 5 years Cool World $20 million Gen 13 (OAV) $2 million The Lion King $45 million The Pagemaster $35 million Tiny Toon Adventures: How I Spent My Vacation (OAV) $3 million While my knowlege pertaining to this is quite fractured, it is basically accurate (I know for certain that the Akira budget was estimated at $7 million, but I strongly suspect that the reveiwer who quoted it may have been mistaken. That figure just seems too low for animation that spectacular.) As you can see, it tends to work out that the more money that is put into animation, the better it looks (Provided the animators are talented). Based on all this, I would say that a SWAT Kat movie should be budgeted at over $40 million and be made over 3 to 5 years. Anything less would sacrifice quality. SWAT Kats: The Movie should utilize computer coloring just as The Lion King, Pocahontas, and other new animated films do. Computer coloring of animation is not quite the improvement it is with comic books, but it *is* still better. Traditionally painted films such as Aladdin used about 250 colors (I think) and Akira used 327, but the Lion King had over 10,000 thanks to computer coloring. All the animation should be at 24 frames a second and possibly utilize a dissolve effect to enhance the image. I'm not exactly certain what the dissolve effect is called, but it is often used in anime. It's the process simulating the effect of motion blurr by having frames dissolve into their neighbors rather than just jump from one image to another. You may remeber the effect being used to an exxagerated extent during the fight scene in the finale of The Lion King. When it's done at a normal rate, it works to keep image flicker down to a minimum in theaters. It would be a good idea to use it during fast paced action scenes since those have a tendency to flicker alot even at 24 fps. The big disadvantage is for those who view it on Laserdic or Home Video and want to freeze frame and get a nice clear image. Since the flicker effect is less prominent (Virtually noexistent) on video, it might be a good idea to record one version utilzing the effect for the theater, and another version on video without it (Just a strange idea I have that animators might want to consider using someday.). Computer Graphics would be an immense help in rendering much of MegKat City in 3-D. Straight out CG tend to clash with animation, but computer assisted animation (CAA) works nicely. CAA was popularized in the short film Technological Threat, and later used in the finale of The Great Mouse Detective. Since then it has become very popular and the technology has improved. Good examples of CG/CAA in animated films are the flight scenes in The Rescuers Down Under and We're Back! since they were of skyscrapers and other tall buildings, and some other examples can be found in Rock-A Doodle, Ferngully, And Thumbelina just to name a few. I'm not exactly certain, but I beleive that for some of those films (Namely Thumbelina), paintings were actually scanned into a computer and then the image was "placed" on the sides of a polygon to achieve the desired effect. Whatever was used in Thumbelina, the CG or CAA maintained the appearance of the backgrounds while existing in 3-D and should definitely be used in SWAT Kats: The Movie. The backgrounds in SWAT Kats: Thge Radical Squadron are not the normal type of paintings seen in most animation, but heavily inked comic art. While paint probably is used, you don't really see brush strokes or any obvious airbrushing (except for the clouds in the sky). This is what the backgrounds in the movie should look like only with far more detail. It would really serve to make the film look and feel like a comic book. When a character is moving very quickly, or a missle in flight is shown, the dynamic streaked background should appear to accentuate the action (As it is often used on the show.) The glows, sparkles, shimmers, and shines that enhance the show's animation would be very prominent in SWAT Kats: The Movie, and should be used with the animators' discression (Used for Lasers, engine exhaust, sparks, parts of explosions, etc.) The characters should be illustrated in every frame with more detail than they have in the show. (Incidentally, the episode to emulate and improve upon is The Deadly Pyramid since it is basically the epitome of the series' animation.) When T-Bone and Razor are in their mechanics' suits, they should look more or less like they do on the show only with a little more attention to detail. When they're in their flight suits, they should look like they do in the Bike Safety Checklist (With more detail on the suits, and overall looking a heck of a lot cooler). During intense action scenes, they should have the chisled geometric/angular look. Remember how T-Bone and Razor look in the still frame shown inbetween the the double epidodes? (After Cry Turmoil and Volcanus Erupts and before SWAT Kats Unplugged and The Origin of Doctor Viper.) That is what I mean by "geometric/angular look". The rest of the charcters should pretty closely follow the show's look, only as stated before, with more detail. The Technology should be drawn through traditional means, only as precisely as possible. I'm thinking that revised versions of the TurboKat, Enforcer tanks, helicoipters, and jets should be made, as well as any other vehicles. Even though computer coloring would allow for a gradual fading of colors, sharp color contrasts should be made on technogy to give a reflective sheen to it (This look would be very similiar to the technolgy in anime). A great deal of effort should go into making everything exist in 3-D and appear to look realistic while still having that fantastic quality. The Plot I said before that I only have ideas, but no coherent story. Here's some of what I do have: SWAT Kats: The Movie would be a tour de force of images and hot action, though it wouldn't be without characterization and plot. This of course would be the SWAT Kats' greatest adventure, but in the end, basically not much would have changed radically and irrevocably. No main charcters would die and the SWAT Kats identies would still be secret to the world. The reason for this is clear; The show would continue after the movie and sequels might be made. What ideas I do have involve a new enemy more powerful than anything the SWAT Kats have ever faced (Not a terribly original idea, but who says that makes it a bad one?). I've considered having the film open with DarKat in a giant mobile suit appearing (Warping into?) in MegaKat City and desperately fighting an invisible enemy (Or at least one that's visible to himself). He strikes out at it with missles and laser cannons but to no avail and in the process he unintentionlly destroys several nearby buildings. The Enforcers can't handle it and the SWAT Kats are alerted. The credits and opening music play as they suit up, prep the TurboKat, take off, and fly to stop him. When they arrive, Darkat mumbles something about having to stop whatever it is (He says it over a loudspeaker on the mobile suit), but ignores the SWAT Kats. This confuses the SWAT Kats, they try to stop him (Because they think he's trying to destroy the city), but most everthing proves useless against the mobile suit. DarKat is eventually defeated by his invisible enemy and his mobile suit comes crashing down. He jumps out the cockpit and tries to run away but disappears in a warp just the same way he appeared and all the while is screaming "Noooooooo!". The SWAT Kats (Still in the TurboKat) see a pair of red eyes appear before them and fade away. Razor fires a missles at where they were, but it just flies on through and hits a building. Feral and the Enforcers see this, but not what Razor fired at and so that gives Feral just the cause he needs to arrest the SWAT Kats (As if he ever needed just cause.). For the rest of the film, Feral tries to arrest the SWAT Kats, but they keep on dodging him and eventually they prove that they intended no harm. As the film progesses, more is shown of the enemy, Feral continues his hunt, while evidence of the SWAT Kats' innocence is gathered. A few weeks after the incident with DarKat, things appear normal. The SWAT Kats fly out to stop monsters and supervillians as usual, but mysterious things keep occuring. At this point I kind of run dry on plot. I have good ideas for what I'd like to see, but I'm not certain how to connect them all together. I'd like to see the SWAT Kats fly from base maybe up to a total of six times during the film with lots of cool action each time, but it would be difficult to not have that seem a bit repetitive. One of the times they depart to face the enemy (After they know who it is and how to stop it) and get their tales kicked. The TurboKat is destroyed and they barely manage to escape alive. Fortunately, they were shown working on the next TurboKat earlier on in the film and construction is nearly completed. (Here I have to ask since I don't remember; Was the TurboKat destroyed or just captured in When Strikes Mutilor? If it was destroyed, I guess that would make the newest TurboKat the TurboKat IV - one during the first season destroyed in the final episode, the second destroyed in the second season premiere, and in the third it's what they're flying now. - but if it was only captured and not destroyed, then it would be the TurboKat III.). They return to base, complete construction on the newest TurboKat, load it chock full of weapons, ammunition, and fuel, and take off in a gutsy attempt to stop the enemy. About the new TurboKat being fully armed, normally all the weapons and gadgets are tucked away inside, but this time the insides are full, and they have to attach missles, bombs, and fuel tanks to the exterior. By the time they're done, the new TurboKat is about 120% of operational flight weight. They have to use RATO (Rocket Assisted Take Off) and partially stay in STOL (Short Take Off and Landing) mode just to stay airborne (Can't we just forget about picking up the giant mummy in the Deadly Pyramid?). Some more ideas I have involves the TurboKat being just a tiny little plane in comparison to the enemy's base. Remeber how small the Enterprise was made to look in contrast to VGER in Star Trek: The Motion Picture? That's kind of how I picture the TurboKat looking. Just a little speck in the middle of a massive place. As the film progresses from this point, the TurboKat is grounded so the SWAT Kats continue with a small vehicle (perhaps a hover craft). It gets destroyed and they must go on with Cyclotrons or on a dual Cyclotron. They/it is destroyed and they go further with jet packs, and then on foot. This would be good for setting up an tense ending similiar to Aliens and Terminator II, but it would also fall into the same trap as Star Trek: Generations; having a fist fight as the finale instead of a space battle. Perhaps this could be remedied by having the enemy be a very arrogant type who is just toying with them (He/She/It lets them have the TurboKat back just to have a fighting chance.), and that same arrogance is their enemy's downfall. In retrospect, maybe the idea of an enemy so powerful is bad thing. It may serve to keep things from being believable and set up an anticlimax. And I have no idea where this massive enemy base would be in the first place - Undeground? In space? Can't say for certain. I just have to fall back on the statement I made originally; I have not cemented the concept and plot. Anyway, here are some more ideas I have for the film: I know it sounds typical, but I would like to see Callie and Jake go out on a date (Dinner and a movie at the drive-in.). Perhaps the truth about Mayor Manxx would finally be told and Callie might try to for the Mayorship. Maybe there could be something between Felina and Chance/T-Bone. Repairs on Cybertron would be completed, and he would help, even save the SWAT Kats in the end. Callie discovers the SWAT Kats secret identities. There should be a 30 seconds to 1 minute Scaredy Kat cartoon in the same vein as the Roger Rabbit and Itchy and Scratchy shorts. It might be running the joke too far into the ground, but MegaKat Tower could be destroyed yet again. In one awsome scene, Razor would fire dozens of missles in rapid succession out of the TurboKat and obliterate the target. The TurboKat III or IV would feature all the technological improvements I mentioned in a prior post as well as a sleaker design, and more advanced avionics. Training sequences in the MegaKat Mountains and Reflex Room. I just realized that I have nothing more to write about. I guess it's just as well, my mind turned to clay hours ago. All the ideas I tossed out about the film are just one way of many ways to go (And certainly not the best ones either), and I want to stress that I'm *not* trying to lay forth some unalterable foundation for how the movie *must* be. I'm merely sharing a few scattered, highly disorganized ideas of how it might be. I would like to hear everyone's input on what I've wrtitten. Do you like it, dislike, agree, disagree, or whatever? For now, I'll just look forward to any follow ups. Kevin L. Knoles klknole@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 08:24:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA00462 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 08:22:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 08:22:22 +0059 (EDT) From: Matthew b Milam Subject: Re: Movie Ideas To: "Kevin L. Knoles" Cc: kats@sard.mv.net, klknole@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu In-Reply-To: <9505060723.AA77009@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This movie will never happen.....the fandom isn't that strong now that the show ia outta here. who else has look at the show that would help renew it. Matmilam From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 09:54:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA00616 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 09:34:44 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 02:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ61724FF68X70QV@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com You gotta take a look from this perspective. Razor is on the ground more than T-Bone is doing all the resucing and ground attacks as well when he is not busy in the cockpit with T-Bone. Technically he is risking his neck more than T-Bone. It shows me that T-Bone is there protecting his buddy's tail by giving him all the air support that T-Bone can give his pal. Just like the armed forces going into battle, backing each other up. This shows that T-Bone and Razor are an excellent team and they both count on each other to watch each others' backs. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 09:55:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA00653 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 09:43:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 06:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Movie Ideas To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 6 May 1995, Matthew b Milam wrote: > This movie will never happen.....the fandom isn't that strong now that > the show ia outta here. who else has look at the show that would help > renew it. Sorry, I forgot something. Guess how much of the fan group knows it's cancelled? Give up? The only press on the cancellation comes from Comic Scene, and the stuff all of us have written on rec.arts.animation. I doubt that in excess of 10 percent of the viewership knows that there aren't new eps. New people tune in all the time as well, so it's still a current show to these folks, and when the toys 'n 'games come out they'll be looking for them, and would also naturally want to know if a movie was coming out. I've kind of incidentally exposed people I know to SwatKats, and usually create an instant fan when I do - they all ask the same questions; "why the f*** did they cancel something like this" and "when's the movie coming out". Hmmm. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 09:57:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA00624 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 09:37:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 06:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Movie Ideas To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 6 May 1995, Matthew b Milam wrote: > This movie will never happen.....the fandom isn't that strong now that > the show ia outta here. who else has look at the show that would help > renew it. I couldn't let this one slide. Newsflash: Mousecorp, somewhat disenchanted with the performance of its Afternoon stuff, is considering curtailing or dropping out of production of Afternoon programming in favour of Direct to Video. Reason? It makes more money. Next, people who will get up at 4-friggin-35 a.m. to watch any show definitely fall into the "strong fandom" category in my part of the globe. Matthew b., try and name another animated series, then look and see if you can find as much positive press about it that we've seen for SwatKats in Toon, Comics Scene, WCK (I think), and Animato! (upcoming). The problem here isn't the "fandom", it's not the show, it's Ted Turner - but he has no control whatsoever over a movie; he's completely out of the loop. For a new syndicated show, 'KATS became #1 very rapidly - because it was different from the rest of the zoo. All that has to happen is for the Tremblay Bros. to get the financial backing to produce the flick, so if you have any specific reasoning behind "it'll never happen", I'd like to hear it, because it kind of clashes with everything I've heard. If you're listening a bit too intently to Potamkin, be advised that he's attempting to explain the whole book when he's written nothing but a couple of pages. Christian seems to think they can do the flick well on a start-up budget of 3 million. That sounds low to me, but in contrast, Hollywood has just spent nearly 200 million on "WaterWorld" - with no evidence of any kind of "fandom" strong or otherwise. The money is out there, the fans are out there, the ideas are out there. All that's required is for someone to paste them all together. Potamkin's not the only bottle of glue around. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 12:54:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA01567 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 12:34:30 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 12:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Movie Ideas To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ6KIWNZGI8ZKA17@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com I like the concept for one thing but there are some minor flaws in the story. First of all if DarKat is screeming his lungs out then the invisable enemy is a good guy. The way I interpret DarkKat in show is that he is the epitome of evil. Its like this guy was working for the devil himself or he is trying to get himself into the Devil's fan club or something. Also, DarkKat is the the kind of character that would not really screem no matter what happends. The only kind of screeming that he would be doing is if something goes wrong, and/or if the SWAT Kats interfere like they always do. As for the rest of the story sounds interesting. I love the idea that they should put in a Scardy Kat cartoon in there as well. This will give the movie a more life like feel of Chance's and Jake's characters when they are not out flying and saving Mega Kat City once again. The idea of Chance having a relationship with Felina, not a bad idea but they should do more with Turmoil first. Who knows, may-be Trumoil's love for T-Bone is strong enough to change her evil ways for good. Yea I know this has been done many times before but I think it would work out decently. As for Felina, they could start showing her feelings for T-Bone but its a hopeless cause for her due to Turmoil being around. Once Felina sees that, she is over come with anger and fraustration and is bent on killing Turmoil. As the story goes on she finds out that Turmoil is using T-Bone for her evil workings to destroying Mega Kat City. This ep will be more of Felina, T-Bone, and of course Razor will be following T-Bone's lead in all of this. When Felina finds out at what Turmoil is trying to do she try's to tell T-Bone about it but of course T-Bone doesn't believe Felina and the relationship continues on. Finally we see our heroine finding the clues to prove that Turmoil is trying to destroy the city and this time T-Bone finds out its too late and the bombs are ready to go off in one second of each other. There is no way of disarming the bombs so Razor has a hairbrain idea of turning up the volume on the Screemer missles and the sound frequency knocks everyone out in the city and breaks all the windows, but it also takes care of all the bombs. After this we see T-Bone relizing that his true love was Felina after all. As for T-Bone falling in love with Turmoil it won't happend ever again. T-Bone may have a really easy going nature as Chance but if you try to screw his a second time just WATCH OUT!!! He's the type that wouldn't trust anyone a second time unless the other kat has valid proof that he/she had to do it. If they don't then forget it and start counting how many lives you have left from those nine. Of course Razor will be the only exception to the rule. As for the story with Felina and Turmoil I think it would be very interesting cause Turmoil said she'll be back with a vengence. This way is definitly painful especially for the good natured Chance. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 22:24:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA04850 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 22:07:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 95 16:07:26 HST Message-Id: <9505070207.AA19112@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: higa@math.hawaii.edu (Jonathan Higa) Subject: Re: Movie Ideas Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Great ideas. Who knows, maybe you'll be hired to do some story-writing, Kevin. Then I'll have inside information on the movie--maybe so much inside information that I wouldn't even have to see it to get the plot; I'd just go for the animation because the story would have been ironed out here in advance (grin). "Is the enemy of my enemy my enemy?" -- Jonathan Higa, higa@math.hawaii.edu, http://math.hawaii.edu/~higa/ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 6 22:26:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA04907 for kats-ll; Sat, 6 May 1995 22:22:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 22:22:01 +0059 (EDT) From: Matthew b Milam Subject: Re: Movie Ideas To: Andy Hill Cc: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Let me explain why this won't work. 1. What age groups have watched it lately? 2. What seperates this from other shows? 3. Why save it? Sorry for sounding doubtful but the school i go to likes X-Men they claim X-Men has more action and less "thinking" to a certian extent they even hate The Power Rangers (Which i happen to be a fan of). When the show was cancelled i felt betrayed, abused, misguided. I belived that H-B was coming back from the "Cookie-Cutter years". I also stop having faith when i found out that compared to the Swat Kats X-men would kill them. This not to make you mad,,,this is a reason of concern for what might be a lost cause. Remeber only ted has the power. Matmilam "Today on Swat Kats...........????????????) Razor- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 7 00:24:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA05381 for kats-ll; Sun, 7 May 1995 00:10:57 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 21:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Movie Ideas To: Matthew b Milam cc: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 6 May 1995, Matthew b Milam wrote: > Let me explain why this won't work. > > 1. What age groups have watched it lately? Pick one. They watched it. Target marketing for age groups usually revolves around timeslot, like afternoon strip (3-4:30) and Sat AM (7-10:30). In a lot of areas, 'KATS airs between 4:35 AM and 6:00 AM. Timeslot is irrelevant in this case as regards age group - there's no definable "target audience" that can be expected to be up at that hour. > 2. What seperates this from other shows? Ask me something hard. The show has likeable anthropomorphic hero-characters that are capable of much more than fighting the monster-of-the-week. The only other ac/adv show with the kind of characters that fall even close to the same category is "Biker Mice" and "Sonic". Both have things going for them, but IMO not as much as the 'KAT guys. Watch any episode and take a look at everything from the artwork to the music, you'll only find it on 'KATS. 'KATS has a "formula" concerning how episodes happen, but is not itself a "formula" show. Anything can happen. Look at the disparity in scripts. In lots of other ac/adv stuff, you get precisely that: action and adventure. In 'KATS you can throw in character development, and the possiblity of storylines that center around the characters, and not simply their conflicts. I can't say the same for X-Men, can you? > 3. Why save it? This is going to be a weak fall in terms of ac/adv stuff. There are a whole whack of comedy entries coming out, but the only ac/adv show I've heard of with any promise is "Sailor Moon", and that is primarily targeted to the female audience from what I've heard. Exo, WildCATS, etc have been canned - no third season. 'KATS was on top of all those by a BIG margin - _without_ the merchandising backup that helped its competition to succeed. Check out the newsgroups and the various animation articles concerning what people have written about 'KATS, and the number of letters people have sent H-B and all concerned parties. This didn't happen when EXO or WildCATS were cancelled. People not only watched the 'KATS, but they felt almost criminally shortchanged when Turner killed it. An "average" show does _not_ get this kind of reaction - I know, I've been around a few. From a purely financial viewpoint as Ted would see it, it makes no sense NOT to save it. They spent 10 million bucks on the last season, and cancelled before they had any chance of recuperating the costs from the merchandising they set up. It's bad business for starters. New eps backing up the toy release and video games/home videos for the fall and X-mas season would make Turner megabucks. Continually repeating the current ones, and pulling them off the air before the toys are released is financial suicide. > Sorry for sounding doubtful but the school i go to likes X-Men they claim > X-Men has more action and less "thinking" to a certian extent they even > hate The Power Rangers (Which i happen to be a fan of). > When the show was cancelled i felt betrayed, abused, misguided. I > belived that H-B was coming back from the "Cookie-Cutter years". Who told you that you had to apologize for expressing an opinion? That's nonsense. You think that _you're_ upset that H-B is headed toward the "cookie-cutter" years, you should listen to some of the people that work(ed) there. Remember, accountants pay the bills, and accountants are lousy animators, but they call ALL the shots for now. For now. > I also stop having faith when i found out that compared to the Swat Kats > X-men would kill them. > This not to make you mad,,,this is a reason of concern for what might be > a lost cause. Remeber only ted has the power. Heck, no one's mad. Ted is someone with a lot of money who thinks he knows everything about animation when he's had little experience in the business - it's called "instant know-it-all". Here's my favourite quote from Ted concerning animation on his networks: "We have more cartoons than anybody: The Flintstones, The Jetsons, The Smurfs, Scooby-Doo. They're nonviolent. We don't have to worry that we're encouraging kids to kill each other - like _some_ of the other cartoon programs do." Anyone have any questions as to the real reason 'KATS was canned? Doesn't appear to be lack of fan support now, does it? Regarding lost causes and the movie. One, the movie project is independent of Hanna-Barbera and Turner. Tremblays could do it tomorrow and the only thing Turner could do is cry in his non-alcoholic beer. The TMNT movie was NOT made on the basis of percieved fan-support for the cartoon or the comic, it was a self-standing entity. Lots of D2V stuff is made every year with no previous public exposure to the characters - and the Tremblays could pitch such a project successfully even if the money people couldn't so much as _spell_ "SwatKats". What Turner did won't matter, the poor timeslots won't matter, nor will the poor merchandising efforts of the TPS entity. A movie could essentially be another beginning, rather than a chapter of the end. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 7 12:24:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA09549 for kats-ll; Sun, 7 May 1995 11:56:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 09:07:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQ5YVKRM1E99NQES@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 6 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > I still think T-Bone is in his mid to late 20s. The older one gets, > the fewer > the risks taken; and T-Bone certainly takes a lot of risks. Eeahhh...I'm 30, and you should hang around me in the summer if you think this is true - we get up to some "ill-advised" stuff more often than I care to mention! > It may be that T-Bone's mentality is just that of the "older > brother" & > just takes charge whenever circumstances dictate. IMO, it is just a > case of the dominant and submissive personalities indicative of > everyone. That's how the characters appear to be written, and it's a central theme in lots of the cop-buddy movies and the old WWII flicks. > (I promise, this is my last point) Also look at the way Razor seems > to "make fun" of T-Bone for watching "Scaredy Cat" and his other > "youthful" actions while Razor likes the "older" and more cerebral. > Is this an indication of age or personality? This is an indication of personality only. It's sort of a cliche character device in most shows, but 'KATS gets away with it. T-Bone is by no means stupid, he just laughs at different things. I haven't seen the ep yet, just a brief clip on an editing viewer, but T-Bone also apparently likes comic books ("Kat Commandos" if I caught the title correctly). I don't know if it's a "dig", but "Scaredy Kat" viewed in broad terms seems to parody the WPT's to some extent. Razor kind of digs T-Bone for watching the "mindless" stuff, yet Razor also watches "Scaredy" on occasion, and Litterbin in both dimensions is often not as "cerebral" as made out. There's also some old maxim that goes like "complex minds need simple pleasures", so maybe T-Bone's more complex than Razor. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 10:55:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA14614 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:50:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 08:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Well, Citizen Ted's making one Toon movie, but... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Sorry for filling up your litter boxes (er.."letter") but just heard this on the phone. Ted wouldn't part with 3 mil to start off a 'KATS movie, and the show is still airing, but, wait for it - coming to a theater near you: "The Captain Planet Movie" This is not a drill. I am not kidding. It's happening. The buzz is that Turner's going ahead with it _despite_ strong protests from his own marketing people, simply because _he_ personally likes the Toon so much. Sad thing is, when this bombs in the theatres, you can guarantee he will blame Toon feature releases in general, rather than his own poor choice of project. Sounds like the topic of my next letter to the guy. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 11:14:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA14431 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 10:29:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 07:40:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: "...okay Annie, you're live..." To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: News from MegaKat City. TBS has evidently changed it' mind on a couple of things. Not only will SwatKats air through July, but they're moving it back to the 9:05 EST timeslot (6:05 PST) AM. I don't have a start date for the move, so keep an eye on your TV Guides. Courtesy of a fellow list member, I have a couple of uuencoded GIF's available for the asking. The first is the a GIF of the line art drawn by Christian Tremblay for the SNES/HudsonSoft game, and the second is the cover art for the Home Video boxes. One of them has peen posted to alt.binaries.pictures.furry as well. All this stuff has Christian's approval for 'net distribution, so fear not hungry lawyers. I'm actually supposed to be able to get hold of the H-B fan group/mail person today, so I'll post what I find out. Anyone get a manufacturer's name of the SK poster yet? Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 14:55:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA17406 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 14:53:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 95 14:52:52 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Well, Citizen Ted's making one Toon movie, but... Message-ID: <9505081452.aa03902@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy writes: > "The Captain Planet Movie" > > This is not a drill. I am not kidding. It's happening. The buzz is >that Turner's going ahead with it _despite_ strong protests from his own >marketing people, simply because _he_ personally likes the Toon so much. >Sad thing is, when this bombs in the theatres, you can guarantee he will >blame Toon feature releases in general, rather than his own poor choice >of project. Sounds like the topic of my next letter to the guy. "The horror....the horror.... the horror...." Turner Feature Animation looked to be off to a good start with "Cats Can't Dance", and now they're trying this?? Watch that the inevitable failure of this Captain Planet film then ends up killing Turner Feature Animation. It's something I'd expect. Sigh.... Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 15:55:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA21163 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 15:43:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 95 15:45:55 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Movie Ideas Message-ID: <9505081545.aa04066@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy writes: > I couldn't let this one slide. Newsflash: Mousecorp, somewhat >disenchanted with the performance of its Afternoon stuff, is considering >curtailing or dropping out of production of Afternoon programming in >favour of Direct to Video. Reason? It makes more money. Next, people Do you have a published source for this? Aladdin and Gargoyles have done very well indeed. I won't doubt that WD TV Animation is going to be doing a lot more D2Vs; I just doubt they're giving up on the DA just yet. If true, another factor may be the new WB and UPN networks, which will have their own afternoon program blocks. In NYC we used to have three indy stations; now they're FOX, UPN, and WB. >who will get up at 4-friggin-35 a.m. to watch any show definitely fall >into the "strong fandom" category in my part of the globe. Matthew b., Doesn't anybody use a VCR?? :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 16:55:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA21526 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 16:30:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9505082030.AA05531@cisk> Subject: More Kat stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 8 May 95 13:30:00 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1642 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Buncha stuff here. The digest has been configured to send out mail automatically, once a day. Given the number of posts we've had on here, I think there'll be something in every digest. Kevin's movie idea: I like it, tho it's very involved as a premise. One thing I've been thinking about doing is getting either T-Bone or Razor (preferably Razor) wounded while in battle. After all, the Turbokat isn't invincible (it's been destroyed in "Katastrophe" and dinged substantially, but not destroyed, in "When Strikes Mutilor") and it's more than possible that either of the SWAT Kats could be injured, perhaps seriously. This would not only affect Razor physically, but also affect his fighting edge. As an added "bonus" (and if you wanted continuity with the series), he'd still have the emotional scar of having injured civilians (even if it was a setup). Out of curiosity, has anyone (in their story ideas) thought about having an incident that'll split up the 'Kats? They've had a few scenes where the relationship between Chance and Jake does get strained, and the closest I've seen to the team splitting up has been "Razor's Edge," where Razor needs "to be alone... to think [things over]..." As far as the ages of the Kats go: I'd place both of the Kats somewhere in their mid-20s. And an interesting twist might be to have Chance be *younger* than Jake, even tho he's playing the part of the "big brother." Perhaps Andy can find this out and I can put it in the FAQ... ;-) -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 17:25:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA21719 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 16:57:16 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fae8569304a002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 8 May 95 15:56:09 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Well, Citizen Ted's making one Toon movie, but... Content-Length: 608 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Ed Rudnicki wrote: >Turner Feature Animation looked to be off to a good start with "Cats >Can't Dance", and now they're trying this?? Watch that the >inevitable failure of this Captain Planet film then ends up killing >Turner Feature Animation. It's something I'd expect. Nah. They'll just shuck it off to home video where it will likely turn a modest profit. I doubt it will kill TFA, unless Ted simply loses interest in it. Remember, Ted _created_ Captain Planet so he has a vested interest in it, as opposed to SWAT KATS which he has to split between himself, Hanna-Barbera and the Tremblays. -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 18:55:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA22280 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 18:30:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 18:30:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: about the digests... In-Reply-To: <9505082030.AA05531@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: If you have any technical difficulties with the digests, like you're not getting any mail, or whatever, mail me about it. I installed digests for the first time on this system, and it's been tricky. rat@sard.mv.net From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 19:25:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA22851 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 19:13:27 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 19:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "...okay Annie, you're live..." To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ9S0HRBM08ZJXDD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com Andy, could you ask Mr. Trembley if its ok to digitzie the pics from the tv shows and to distribute them through the nets as well?!? Thanks. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 19:39:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA22764 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 19:08:35 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 19:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Well, Citizen Ted's making one Toon movie, but... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ9RQFRJDU8ZJXDD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com I just hope its a mega-flop so Ted can relize that HIS talents for the annimation industry is a complete flop. If this is the case, I hope that he will learn that he doesn't know what he is doing in the annimation idustry and that he should stay out of it. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 22:55:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA24518 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 22:33:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 19:33:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: GIF me da pictures... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: There is too much uuencoded stuff to post to the list - people will get annoyed, so please just ask me, and I'll e-mail the uuencoded versions to you. _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 8 23:02:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA24503 for kats-ll; Mon, 8 May 1995 22:27:36 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 22:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Scanning, and Evil SWATKats... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQ9YTS2AOO9I5BE9@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 07 May 1995 Andy Hill wrote: > T-Bone is by no means stupid, he just laughs at different things. >Razor kind of digs T-Bone for watching the "mindless" stuff, yet >Razor also watches "Scaredy" on occasion, and Litterbin in both >dimensions is often not as "cerebral" as made out. Well, I'm not going to argue the point... However, I've just caught something of interest in one of the recent eps. When I paused the VCR, a calendar behind T-Bone said "July" and had 8 days of the week and 6 weeks for the month! Hmmm.. 48 days in a month? Maybe they are older than we think (in earth years) ! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 07:55:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA27897 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 07:35:50 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:35:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199505091135.HAA20775@unix3.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Evil Andy's, and random stuff Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Tsk tsk tsk! It seems you ruffled poor Ted's feathers. But then, a man who thinks a Captain Planet movie would be cool deserves to have his feathers ruffled. An interesting thing that I noticed of late, regarding dear Ted: I used to be a watcher of the old Godzilla cartoons that HB made in the 70's. All right, I *STILL* watch them when they come on TBS. What's it to you??? >:( Anyway, I distinctly recall a few quick scenes where the Big-G's foot stomps down on a copse of trees and flattens them all. That scene tends to be repeated here and there, just for "size-effect". I can't help noticing that Ted has care- fully edited every one of those scenes out. I guess that stepping on trees is contrary to our environmental message. That is my obligatory Turner-bashing. I've never liked the man, ever since he colorized a movie with Frank Sinatra and gave him brown eyes. >:6 Moving right along... I am still searching for a copy of the fan letter that I sent; many people have expressed interest in seeing it. It is "somewhere", by which I mean, it is located within the walls of my abode. It just has to be excavated. Those in contact with M. Tremblay, kindly inform him, from his oldest and fattest fan, that should he and his brother find themselves at any time in the northeastern United States, they must immediately make a break for the Canadian border before it's too....er, no. Tell them I would be pleased to buy them a pizza. The picture of Dr. Konway hangs on the door of my lab, which has been informally designated "MegaKat City Chemical Synthesis Lab". My employer wonders about me. ---- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Fat Old Scientist Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 08:55:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28269 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 08:49:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 95 07:41:54 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505091241.AA07777@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: second season kats.... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I'm posting this with the assumption that this particular episode is a second season...but if not, I still don't favor the 15 min. format. I'm just now starting to catch the second season, and I have a problem. Why did they decide to drop to two 15 min. episodes, instead of one 30?? I much prefered a little build-up, to the alternative of kats show up, kats destroy end of picture. Instance--"Volcanus Erupts"- The guys show up, see a crack in his body plates, sink a bomb in it, and boooom!!!! end of episode. IMO-BORING!!!I just can't see 15 (probably actually 12) min. being enough time to develope any kinda story line. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 09:55:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA28525 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 09:37:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 06:38:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: second season kats.... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505091241.AA07777@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 9 May 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > I'm posting this with the assumption that this particular episode is a > second season...but if not, I still don't favor the 15 min. format. > > I'm just now starting to catch the second season, and I have a problem. > Why did they decide to drop to two 15 min. episodes, instead of one 30?? > I much prefered a little build-up, to the alternative of kats show up, kats > destroy end of picture. Instance--"Volcanus Erupts"- The guys show up, see > a crack in his body plates, sink a bomb in it, and boooom!!!! end of episode. > IMO-BORING!!!I just can't see 15 (probably actually 12) min. being enough > time to develope any kinda story line. This was done because there is a kind of slow drift in the industry back towards a kind of "short" format, i.e. they think the viewership has short attention spans and feel that two (or more) episodes within the :22 time slot would do better. H-B started this with the later seasons of Scooby and Scrappy, dumping most of the other cast, and writing just for Scooby, Scrappy and Shaggy in a bunch of 6-minuters. You'll notice that the storylines for the short 'KATS episodes are the most juvenile of the entire run (with the exception of Falk's "Turmoil"), which reflects the belief at the time that the audience wasn't complex enough to follow the plots all the way to their conclusion in the traditional set-up, conflict, resolution format of :22 ac/adv. It's called "lowest common denominator" programming, and shows that Ted and crew had really no idea of the true demographic cross-section watching the show. It was considered "an experiment" to do the 9/11 minute split, and all accounts from H-B and elsewhere consider the "experiment" to be a failure. The worst example is actually the "Cry Turmoil" / "SwatKats Unplugged" one, I think. "Turmoil" was originally slotted as a :22 minute ep, but was "kiddified" and cut down for the 11 minute format. "Unplugged" didn't have any time at all for story setup, yet chose the occasion to introduce yet another villian rather than concentrating on the story with Hard Drive. The explanation lies in the writer's credit - "Glenn Leopold", who Lance pointed out tended to "write for five-year olds". Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 10:55:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA28814 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 10:28:03 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2faf7af267a0002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 9 May 95 09:23:46 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Evil Andy's, and random stuff Content-Length: 312 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Dr. Konway wrote: >I am still searching for a copy of the fan letter that I sent; many people have >expressed interest in seeing it. It is "somewhere", by which I mean, it is >located within the walls of my abode. It just has to be excavated. I have the copy you sent to me, if you can't find yours. -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 11:01:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA28847 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 10:36:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 07:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Evil Andy's, and random stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199505091135.HAA20775@unix3.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 9 May 1995 flogistn@netaxs.com wrote: > Tsk tsk tsk! It seems you ruffled poor Ted's feathers. > > But then, a man who thinks a Captain Planet movie would be cool deserves to > have his feathers ruffled. Yeah, this won't make any sense to the rest of the list, so here's the edited version. I've unintentionally caused a lot of trouble for people at Hanna-Barbera because of stuff I've put on the Internet. Certain folks have done a lot of flying to and from Atlanta, GA and New York because of it. I posted the upcoming product information strictly for the fans, because I was afraid Turner Marketing would let us all down again, and give the stuff no advanced press. I wanted people to know the stuff was out there, and wanted them to go buy some of it to help get the 'KATS flying again. Instead of having the desired effect, it just caused a whole world of hurt for people in Hanna-Barbera as Turner Group began a witch-hunt attempting to stop the "leak". Before I get the undeserved "bad guy" label, I faxed an explanation letter to those concerned over there to be passed to Turner detailing that I'd never quoted anyone without permission, the "anonymous" stuff didn't make it to the public group unless I could somehow verify most of it, and in any case no one at H-B was to blame. Until I get a clear definition of what their concerns are, I'll stop posting "upcoming" information to public groups. The "cancellation" stuff is my opinion based on observations and information, and I'll post that where the hell I feel like. One postive thing I heard yesterday (for the spies: "it was revealed to me in a vision") is that Fred Seibert controls the "off-switch" to 'KATS, and we should write him directly, making NO mention of SWATKATS on the envelope, and not using the "-1376" extension of the Zip as appears on the TV. I can't go into it further right now. Hanna-Barbera Cartoons 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. Hollywood, CA 90068 Attn:Fred Seibert After yesterday, you can bet that I'm going to send a letter tonight. > An interesting thing that I noticed of late, regarding dear Ted: I used to be > and there, just for "size-effect". I can't help noticing that Ted has care- > fully edited every one of those scenes out. I guess that stepping on trees is > contrary to our environmental message. Yes, I'd heard this from someone else as well. Odd, considering that when accidental editing occurred in the LD release of some classic Toons from his MGM entity, he stopped shipment and corrected the cuts. Ted strikes me as a very unfocused individual, with no clear "mission statement". Some of the quotes I read from him sound like a cross between Hulk Hogan, Dan Quayle, and Homer Simpson. > Those in contact with M. Tremblay, kindly inform him, from his oldest and > fattest fan, that should he and his brother find themselves at any time in the > northeastern United States, they must immediately make a break for the Canadian > border before it's too....er, no. Tell them I would be pleased to buy them a > pizza. > > The picture of Dr. Konway hangs on the door of my lab, which has been > informally designated "MegaKat City Chemical Synthesis Lab". > My employer wonders about me. ...and when my long-distance bill gets here, my employer will begin to wonder about me. Consider the above forwarded. I just sent a letter to Christian which ran to 50 pages with some of the list-commentary from people. He evidently got it yesterday, because he called H-B fully ten-seconds before me, also asking about fan-mail. Must've been a three-pot coffee day for H-B yesterday. (aside commentary: if someone would have just e-mailed me rather than causing trouble for innocent parties at H-B, there wouldn't have been any problem. This secretive/backstabbing stuff is dishonourable in the extreme - how about some open old-fashioned communication? I wouldn't knowingly hurt the merchandising efforts for 'KATS, all it took was for someone to point out a possible problem, or let me know that a press release would be coming. Based on TPS' track record with the 'KATS, it appeared the stuff would hit the shelves without support - and I sure as hell wasn't going to let that happen, TPS!) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 18:25:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA03079 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 18:11:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 95 18:14:02 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Window stickers? Message-ID: <9505091814.aa06775@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >> I had heard from a friend that there were a series of SWAT KATS toys >> included in Kids' Meals from White Castle, though I've never been >> able to verify that. >> > Yep. Looked into this, and there were such creations. We don't have >"White Castle" in Canada, but a friend saw the SwatKATS stuff in Ohio, >called the head office, and evidently got the last three around. Anyone >have spares? > Well, I just got my latest issue of TOY SHOP (one of the publications I read in my never-ending quest for TLM stuff), and since there's a "food related toys" section, I'll make a few inquiries for y'all. Heck, I'd probably want these myself, though I suspect there won't be a Callie or Ann Gora toy among them :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 19:55:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA03958 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 19:42:46 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 19:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Window stickers? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQB7C52UGK93HJW3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com How can you forget Felina?!? She's right up there with those two. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 19:58:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA03891 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 19:35:23 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 19:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Evil Andy's, and random stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQB72GQUV293HJW3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Uhh Doc Conway, yer the sane one, its everybody else that you have to start to worry about. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 20:25:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA04210 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 20:07:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 95 20:08:38 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Window stickers? Message-ID: <9505092008.aa07025@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >wkoziol@delphi.com > >How can you forget Felina?!? She's right up there with those two. Sorry about that, Walt! Though I will say my order of preference is Ann Gora, Callie, and then Felina. At present. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 20:55:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA04766 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 20:51:21 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Window stickers? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQB9OXGDV69JD596@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol.delphi.com Naw, I think its goes like this. First is Callie cause she can get as physical and as crazy as Felina. Second is Felina and then Ann Gora. Any other comments on this?!? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 22:55:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA05554 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 22:53:58 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 22:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Posters at Kmart! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQBE1U76UG9I5VET@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Just to let everyone know, Dana was right about finding posters of T-Bone & Razor at Kmart. I just bought 5 of them today (and they had 10 there) for myself & some friends. I picked them up at the Plymouth, MI store. Check other stores, posters are sold to Kmart through a third party retailer and may be available in other stores! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 9 23:25:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA05745 for kats-ll; Tue, 9 May 1995 23:24:57 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 23:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Posters at Kmart! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQBF3NF0LE9D9VFL@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I'll check out my Kmart to see if they have any as well. wkoziol@delphi.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 10:25:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA08967 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 10:15:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 07:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: SwatKats "shorts" and Unlikely Alloys... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Someone asked why they did the 11 minute and 9 minute "short" episodes instead of the standard 22 minute variety on a couple of occasions, and here's the answer. The "short" idea was Fred Seibert's directly, president of Hanna-Barbera, in the belief that the whole industry was headed down a "multiple storylines within the half hour format" road. It was an experiment, and everyone I've talked to on varying levels agreed that it was not a successful one. "Unlikely Alloys" and Mook's animation. Mook had done a feature in Japan (yes, they're Japanese, not Korean as I'd always thought) and it got the attention of some of the creative team at Hanna-Barbera that this specifice style of animation was incredible. They talked to Mook about doing a similar style for a 'KATS episode, and Mook responded that they certainly would, provided they had a suitable storyline to showcase their talents for mecha. Enter "Unlikely Alloys". The premise had sat on the shelf at H-B for about a year, but wasn't produced. Lance Falk, the writer, was so ticked off at "Executive" interference on his "Cry Turmoil" that he wasn't going to write any more for SwatKats. Davis Doi, by all accounts a really great guy, convinced him that this Mook project was right up his street, and he wrote it. The resulting work by Mook on the episode completely eclipsed the earlier feature, and the explosion of the mountain in one scene turned out far better than anyone's expectations - even Mook's! We would have seen more of this type of quality had management done some more things with their eyes open; try viewing this episode in light of the "target demographic", it doesn't wash, does it? Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 10:36:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA08918 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 10:06:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Talked about SwatKats on the phone for a total of three hours yesterday, one of which was to Christian Tremblay. First off, Doc Konway - Christian may take you up on your pizza offer if he's out that way! Heh. Okay, here's the deal. Christian told me I can put any of the upcoming stuff he gives me, and if Turner has a problem with it - to paraphrase a list member - "I shrug and proceed anyway". Fred Seibert isn't returning his calls, and the Tremblay Bros. may start doing promotions on their own. I've got a post going out to rec.arts.animation that should take some heat off of the H-B people, but it's not going to be any kind of apology whatsoever. Couple of people I spoke to yesterday got the distinct impression that Turner Group isn't happy that SwatKats continues to be successful despite their best efforts to bury it. Good. Screw 'em. The Hudson Soft/SNES game: July 7th release, two days after the home videos. Here's the synopsis of it: Five different levels with a different Villain scenario in each (I may have the order screwed up, I was tired, and it was late). 1) Dr. Viper/Giant Bacteria 2) MadKat and his Evil Theme Park 3) The Pastmaster 4) The Metallikats 5) and the final objective, rescue Callie Briggs from DarkKat and the creeplings! As the 'KAT guys make it through the various levels, they get orders from Mayor Manx (probably along the lines of "hints" I should think). Christian will have a copy on Thursday to play with - he'll let me know what he thinks. The home video releases have some extra goodies. Each video will have a coupon redeemable towards the purchase of the SNES game (5 bucks, I think), a temporary Tattoo of one of the characters, I think a trading card from "Secret Files of the SwatKats", and a "Space Ghost" short tacked on to the end. Not sure if it's the old version or the new. Christian and his brother read through the 50-odd pages of printouts from the list and r.a.a., and really appreciated all the commentary (as well as being pleasantly surprised to see Dr. (K)onway!), so keep it up for the next set. All the recent hullabaloo points to the fact that Ted and Fred are firmly in the hot-seat now, I don't plan on turning down the stove. _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 12:25:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA09806 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 12:06:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: "..don't wimp out on me now, Rob.." To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Sorry, forgot something - and I have permission to say it from Christian, so nuts to the Cartoon Gestapo. TBS timeslot change from 6:05 am Eastern to 9:05 eastern starts at the beginning of July (that means instead of 4:35 am PST, it'll now hit the West Coast TBS stations at 6:05 am PST). In July, to coincide with the video/video game release, The Cartoon Network is supposed to be doing something "special" with SwatKats, but I don't have any further details. Lastly, a fan club is starting to be organized, finally. If you have any suggestions for what you'd like to see in a fan-club type setup, forward your suggestions to Walt at WKOZIOL@delphi.com - they will get to H-B soon. The people who will be doing the fan-interfacing are busy moving their offices at H-B, so nothing meaningful can be accomplished until the beginning of next week. Andy (...who's going to have to install a 'KATS hotline soon, my phone bill for one month just came in at 103 bucks - not including my phone bill at work, which has yet to come in.) _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 13:25:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA10346 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 13:04:43 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fb0f20f0ae9002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 10 May 95 12:04:15 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... Content-Length: 42 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Any word on a SEGA/Genesis release? -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 13:36:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA10386 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 13:07:21 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fb0f2b00ed3002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 10 May 95 12:06:56 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "..don't wimp out on me now, Rob.." Content-Length: 571 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Thanks for the note on the games, videos and fan club (I'm interested, Walt!). Also, don't forget that two friends and I are working on KATATONIC!, a limited-series SWAT KATS fanzine. The deadline is fast approaching, so if you'd like to contribute, please let me know right away! We hope to have it ready for A-Kon, June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, in Dallas. See you there! -Tim ---- Reply to: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu -- http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m279/fayxx001 -- "My mental facilities are TWICE what yours are -- you pea brain!" -Percival McLeach From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 13:55:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA10851 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 13:33:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 95 12:26:09 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505101726.AA23476@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: O.K, maybe I'm not all together clear here, so help me out. Is Ted pulling a "Ren & Stimpy" here, in the regard of--Does he own the Swat Kats, like Nick owned "R&S", or do the Trembleys still hold the right?? Did he buy them out, like Nick did John K., so he has say in all and everything that goes on with them?? In that case, if he wants to bury them so bad why would he pursue a video game and toys?? Money, of course, but hey aren't those Capt. P. toys making him a mint (yes, sarcasm). Just trying to easy my confused brain. Thanks-Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 15:25:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA11925 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 15:07:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:07:26 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SwatKats "shorts" and Unlikely Alloys... Message-ID: <9505101507.aa09142@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > Someone asked why they did the 11 minute and 9 minute "short" >episodes instead of the standard 22 minute variety on a couple of >occasions, and here's the answer. > > The "short" idea was Fred Seibert's directly, president of >Hanna-Barbera, in the belief that the whole industry was headed down a >"multiple storylines within the half hour format" road. It was an >experiment, and everyone I've talked to on varying levels agreed that it >was not a successful one. I don't know that it applies to SK, but I've read several times in "Animation" that making a show with two 11 minute "shorts" rather than a single 22 minute story makes the show more marketable in Europe and elsewhere, as the 22 minute time is specifically geared to the US market. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman "You're getting brutal, Sark - brutal, and needlessly cruel." "Thank you, Master Cee!" --- (Tron) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 10 17:55:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA13505 for kats-ll; Wed, 10 May 1995 17:41:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9505102141.AA03983@cisk> Subject: SWAT Kats FAQ To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Wed, 10 May 95 14:41:22 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 4919 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: OK, here's a revised version of the FAQ. Please email me with any comments or suggestions you have about the FAQ (do NOT post to the list or you'll defeat the purpose of the FAQ!). I'll most likely be posting the FAQ to the net (specifically rec.arts.animation and alt.fan.furry), but I would like input as to its content since I don't want to post wrong info, or info that might produce too many ripples, especially with Turner Entertainment. SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron Frequently Asked Questions =========================================================== _SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron_ is an animated series created in 1993 by two Canadian-French brothers, Christian Tremblay and Yvon Tremblay. Using their self-taught drawing skills and their own money, they managed to sell their creation of anthropomorphic felines, otherwise known as "Kats", to Hanna-Barbera. H-B produced 23 episodes of the SWAT Kats, 13 for the first season (1993-94) and 10 for the second season (1994-95). The second season fell three episodes shy of a full set because, in the middle of production, Turner Entertainment ordered H-B to cancel production of the series. The reason that Turner gave at the time was because the show wasn't moving merchandise -- although the series hardly had any merchandise to begin with! Therefore, Turner decided to yank the show even though it had been doing very well in the ratings. Three episodes were storyboarded and the voice tracks laid down, but are currently still in limbo (and may very well become the "lost episodes" of the series). Rumor has it, however, that Turner cancelled the series because of its violence and not because of the lack of merchandise. In fact, there should be some merchandise hitting the store shelves this summer; look for action figures (T-Bone, Razor, Dark Kat and Doctor Viper) produced by Remco as well as a Super Nintendo game (none for Sega yet), both of which are due out in June. There's also a poster available at the K-Mart in Inglewood, CA; other locations may also carry it, but you may have to hunt for it. TBS will be carrying the series through at least July 1995; after that, it may run independently, but most likely the series will be dropped completely from the air. The animation studios involved in _Kats_ production are Hanho Heung-Up and Mook, the former being a Korean studio and the latter a Japanese studio. Both seasons' episodes show an anime (Japanimation) influence, especially the second season's episodes, which were animated entirely by Mook. Christian Tremblay apparently wanted Mook to do all of the episodes, but found it uneconomical to do so. What's the proper spelling of 'SWAT Kats'? Most likely it's the way it's being spelled in the FAQ. The full title is, of course: "SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron", but there's been some question as to whether the word "SWAT Kats" should be written as a single word (i.e., "SWATKats"). And yes, it's with a "K", not a "C". T-Bone's and Razor's ages? Trivia tidbit: Razor and T-Bone were initially named "Chuck" and "Yaeger", after the famous test pilot. Write your local station that carries the SWAT Kats (and/or TBS)! Tell them how much you like the series! TBS also has an email address, but snail mail letters are usually taken much more seriously than email. While we're on the subject of letter writing, you can also write Hanna- Barbera at: Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90068 Attn: Fred Seibert (Note: Don't mention SWAT Kats anywhere on the envelope, and don't use the 9-digit version of the ZIP code.) H-B makes 11 copies of every letter it goes and sends a copy to the creators, Christian and Yvon Tremblay. FTP addresses for 'Kats stuff: - Majordomo list server. There are a few files available (I don't know exactly *what* is available at the moment, however). - Netcom: ftp.netcom.com, /pub/ra/razor has 'swatkats.jpg' available. - Someone on the list offered to put up another FTP site, but I don't know where. Web page: Yes, the 'Kats have their own web page (not official, but at least it's there): 'http://venom.st.hmc.edu/~razor/swatkats.html'. Send email to 'duehara@atmos.ucla.edu' for details. For the die-hard 'Kats fans: - To join a fan club (currently unofficial): email Walt Koziol (wkoziol@delphi.com). - A fanzine, KATATONIC, is also in the works and will be available for a limited run (contact Timothy Fay [fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu] for details). ======================================================================= FAQ maintained by: Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) Acknowledgements/Contributors: Andy Hill (chance@unix.infoserve.net) Timothy Fay (fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu) -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 11 09:58:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA19479 for kats-ll; Thu, 11 May 1995 09:53:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 95 08:32:11 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505111332.AA04214@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats FAQ Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: on a different subject....did you catch the Simpsons last night?? Definitely a first season, if not the first episode. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 11 10:07:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA19470 for kats-ll; Thu, 11 May 1995 09:52:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <2fb0f20f0ae9002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 10 May 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > Any word on a SEGA/Genesis release? > > -Tim Sadly, nope. This is a guess, and I'll be sure to ask later, but I think they'll wait and see how the SNES version goes before making a Sega version (considering there are so many blue Hedgehog fans that already own the machines). Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 11 10:09:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA19519 for kats-ll; Thu, 11 May 1995 09:55:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Razor and T-Bone's birthday? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Okay, the ages of Razor and T-Bone. The quote is: "Me and my brother are artists, so we hadn't really worked out the details of stuff like that....they're mid-twenties...T-Bone is older than Razor..." There ya go. Andy (so,I was off by a few years - sue me.) _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 11 10:28:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA19614 for kats-ll; Thu, 11 May 1995 10:04:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505101726.AA23476@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 10 May 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > O.K, maybe I'm not all together clear here, so help me out. > own the Swat Kats, like Nick owned "R&S", or do the Trembleys still > hold the right?? > > that goes on with them?? In that case, if he wants to bury them so bad why would > he pursue a video game and toys?? Money, of course, but hey aren't those > Just trying to easy my confused brain. The story I get is that Ted holds the rights to the TV and Comics (if ever) versions of the characters, but the Tremblay Bros. still hold the movie rights, feature or D2V. I haven't heard anything official, but it appears Turner is a little dismayed that the program won't lie down and play dead, despite their best efforts to bury it. They're pissed off at me for writing all that "upcoming stuff" information about the products on the 'net, supposedly because it'll hurt their marketing in some way? Ask yourself this, what product scheduled to come out in July waits this long before promoting it? Exactly. Turner is evidently propping up Captain Planet financially in markets that it isn't doing well in. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 11 13:55:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA20487 for kats-ll; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:42:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 95 08:55:05 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505111355.AA04436@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats FAQ Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Sorry to all about that last one, hit the wrong respondent!!! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 11 14:21:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA20519 for kats-ll; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:43:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 95 10:13:25 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505111513.AA05172@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Sorry Andy, I must have sent you direct mail, I assumed you meant for this to go out to the masses. Sounds like a dandy idea though. ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From chance@unix.infoserve.net Thu May 11 09:47:38 1995 Return-Path: From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... To: Ian Lynn In-Reply-To: <9505111428.AA04756@sv1.gentire.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 854 X-Lines: 21 On Thu, 11 May 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > I think you're doing the best advertising of anyone, I sure as hell haven't seen > SNES advertising, consider Mortal Kombat, they give it what, about 2 years advanced > advertising. Thanks! For everyone's information, I've basically been _asked_ to keep doing it by some folks until it becomes clear why Turner is worried about press. If he's trying to bury the program, he can look elsewhere for the shovel. BTW, reading about Doc Konway's fan mail again, I just got an idea concerning how we can get Seibert to read our mail. I've got a whole whack of business envelopes here (including Department of Defence), so I think I may use up some old envelopes, if you get the idea. Who could ignore a letter enclosed in other than the standard white envelope? Be creative - it's fun. Andy ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 11 14:25:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA20690 for kats-ll; Thu, 11 May 1995 13:59:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats FAQ In-Reply-To: <9505111332.AA04214@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 11 May 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > on a different subject....did you catch the Simpsons last night?? > Definitely a first season, if not the first episode. We'll forgive you if you do not post any more obviously off-topic messages again, ok? I'm only writing this to show other people that "this is not ok", and not to pick on you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 04:55:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA27283 for kats-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:31:32 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Razor and T-Bone's birthday? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQEIDN7QWI9JED7L@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com Ah ha!!! I knew it!!! I was right when I said that T-Bone was older than Razor. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 04:58:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA27309 for kats-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 04:40:50 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 04:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Turner don't own "Katseye News"... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQEIP6H1CK9JED7L@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com Yea, it will be good clean fun. ----------------------Ain't I a little stinker!------------------------------- ------------------------------Bugs Bunny-------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 12 23:56:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA06705 for kats-ll; Fri, 12 May 1995 23:35:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 20:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: GIF's hit with a Scrambler missile... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The recent set of GIF's distributed by me to various folks got screwed up by Aol.com when they were sent to me. Evidently, AOL didn't recognize some of the characters, and replaced them, hence the gibberish when you try and uudecode them. We're going to try again, so hang on. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 13 09:26:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA08811 for kats-ll; Sat, 13 May 1995 09:26:10 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 09:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: GIF's hit with a Scrambler missile... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQG6XCCO4Y8ZQPMD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The GIFs _did_ work! If you strip a out of most of the lines to make each line start with an "M" and be exactly 71 characters long (I think 71 -- just make them all the same length) it will decode.. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 13 11:56:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA09378 for kats-ll; Sat, 13 May 1995 11:49:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Oh, 'KAT stuff... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Tomorrow's episode is supposed to be "Metal Urgency", I believe - for those of you who don't have the ep. 'KAT trivia: "Mutation City" was the first episode of the second season and reflects a few changes in the way the show was produced. Christian and Yvon provided the story idea themselves, which was written by Glenn Leopold. This was also the first episode where "inspirational art" was used to help the writers visualize what Christian and Yvon intended. What this is, basically, is a series of sketches of key scenes specifically intended to "inspire" the writers to write something exciting. This type of thing was used a lot in the 50's, but has been considered an expensive luxury for later productions - looks like the 'KATS deserved "luxury". I haven't seen this particular ep yet, except in clips, but from what I understand the "inspiration" clearly shows. "Caverns of Horror" had a few art changes for copyright reasons, and a scene change for "gratuitous violence" reasons (..yawn). The original design for the creatures was very "Alien"-like, a bit too similar for the legal-beagles, so it was changed to the version that made it to the screen. There's a scene in the show where one of the creatures attacks the canopy of the TurboKat above Razor; originally, the creature was to break through the canopy, and Razor was to use his Glovatrix and fire a missile directly into the creature's mouth - with the expected results - but it was changed to the "tamer" version at some early stage. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 13 12:26:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA09496 for kats-ll; Sat, 13 May 1995 12:01:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: GIF's hit with a Scrambler missile... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQG6XCCO4Y8ZQPMD@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Big thanks to Matt W for going through all of this extra trouble with the posters for those of us not fortunate enough to live next to his K-Mart. I personally think it's really cool. Let's hope Turner keeps an eye on how fast this particular store sells out of "merchandise wasn't selling". Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 14 15:56:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA18647 for kats-ll; Sun, 14 May 1995 15:50:27 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 15:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Kats mentioned on... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQHYPI6L4U9DBBQV@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I was flipping through the channels today (Sunday, 5/14) and came across a story of Mr. Hanna & Mr. Barbara. They were on "Life Styles of the Rich & Famous". I only caught a small part of the story, but they did mention the toons that the two had been working on. There were mentioned "Hard Luck Duck" and the new "Dino" shows along with "2 Stupid Dog" and >> "SWAT Kats" << They even show some video from one of the eps.; but I didn't recognize it.. Just showed Razor & Tbone in the TurboKat cockpit. Anyone else catch this?? I wonder what Turner thinks of publicity like this? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 14 17:56:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA19228 for kats-ll; Sun, 14 May 1995 17:33:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 17:33:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: calling all graphics! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I haven't gotten nearly as much Swat Kat graphics as I'd like for my ftp site. I have had a few attempts, but nothing successful. They all got corrupted for one reason or another. FTP --- host: ftp.mv.com directory: /pub/users/rat/incoming or email it to me. I can do uudecode, binhex, or BASE64 (MIME). If you are on America Online, you can attach the file and send it to PaulHurley. Any good files I get will end up on ftp.mv.com:/pub/users/rat/kats/ There are some there already, check em out! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 15 08:58:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA24524 for kats-ll; Mon, 15 May 1995 08:51:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Kats mentioned on... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQHYPI6L4U9DBBQV@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 14 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > I was flipping through the channels today (Sunday, 5/14) > and came across a story of Mr. Hanna & Mr. Barbara. > They were on "Life Styles of the Rich & Famous". I only > caught a small part of the story, but they did mention > the toons that the two had been working on. There were > mentioned "Hard Luck Duck" and the new "Dino" shows > along with "2 Stupid Dog" and >> "SWAT Kats" << > > I wonder what Turner thinks of publicity like this? Heh! It gets better than that. Turner sent a TV crew to Warner Bros. Animation to interview some of the folks there who used to work for H-B as part of some upcoming Hanna-Barbera retrospective. I've been keeping someone I know there up to date on "SwatKats"/Turner happenings, and he was asked to comment for the camera. He let me know that he told them EXACTLY what he thought, and gave them both barrels. He knows Tony Sgroi, so 'nuff said. He doubts his comments will see air, but at least a few fairly key industry people heard them, not to mention the Turner crew. I wonder what they think of publicity like _that_! Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 15 09:58:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA25226 for kats-ll; Mon, 15 May 1995 09:55:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: calling all graphics! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 14 May 1995, Ratman wrote: > I haven't gotten nearly as much Swat Kat graphics as I'd like for my ftp > site. > > I have had a few attempts, but nothing successful. They all got > corrupted for one reason or another. I'm going to get some grabs and stuff soon to help give us something to look at - sorry, but I've lately been running so short of time in everything. I have a fairly direct letter going out to Fred Seibert today, and I think I have a way to make sure he'll read it. Essentially, it distills the commentary that I've read here, some of the stuff I've heard elsewhere, and also demonstrates to the guy that some of us go above and beyond the call of duty when it comes to helping out the fans (and you know who you are, guys!). I've outlined how much people are willing to buy stuff (wait until you see some of the GIF's of merchandise concepts I'll have for the group), and how pissed off we are that we can't yet find much of it. I also did a lot of "business" reasoning that the money people will like, concerning why they should finish the extant three eps in time for late fall air. Anyone check out what the fledgling networks are leading with for the fall? Exactly. A bunch of un-tried stuff. If H-B announces that they're going to complete the new eps, what effect do you think it will have on the sales of merchandise like the SNES game and the Home Videos? Exactly. I've also passed on the general fan opinion of Turner's go-ahead for "Captain Planet" and "Space Ghost" movies ahead of "SwatKats", and challenged their marketing people to conduct a survey in any eastern US arcade they care to name, to see which project kids would most like to watch. I pointed out that if Turner Group doesn't want to conduct such a poll, that a few press people I know may take it on themselves, as it would go a great distance towards explaining TPS's mishandling and cancellation of 'KATS. I've also pointed out that the reason the "cancelled because it was too violent" rumour is gaining momentum is because Turner Group is more or less proving it themselves. Chairman Ted's comments in the public eye on how he promotes the "non-violent" aspects of his cartoon properties, and the fact that the ancient Scooby-Doo has a full hour in the prime afternoon slots while 'KATS is relegated to the "infomercial" slot at 4 in the morning, don't really provide any kind of rumour-denial, do they? The letter is going to be faxed to a couple of "significant others" who I count among those on "our side", and if I don't get a response, from there it will go "other places". Game ain't over yet, folks. If you haven't written H-B yourselves, every little bit helps. I passed on the "fan-club" number to a couple of us, if you're inclined to call, sooner would be better than later. There's going to be some, er..."pressure" applied to the Turner organization by others in the next little while, but don't think that "everyone else" will take care of business - we should all do something if we're inclined. It's evidently unseasonably warm in Atlanta this year... Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 15 13:56:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA28082 for kats-ll; Mon, 15 May 1995 13:40:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 13:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: new images! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Well, a few images have appeared in my Swat Kat archive. Some screen grabs. ftp.mv.com /pub/users/rat/kats/images/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 15 14:04:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA28026 for kats-ll; Mon, 15 May 1995 13:36:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Clark Subject: New graphics posted To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi All, Five new screen-grabs from the SK TV show will be available, as soon as Rat approves them. Check them out! These were all from the episdoe 'Cry Turmoil' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brad D Clark Orwin Raccoon (IRC/Furtoonia) main--> bradc@unix.infoserve.net alts--> Fido 1:153/969 bradclark@haven.ship.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 15 19:26:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.9/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA02049 for kats-ll; Mon, 15 May 1995 19:02:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 95 19:00:53 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: SK Toy Message-ID: <9505151900.aa18621@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I had mentioned that I'd seen a SWAT Kats "flashlight gun" in the supermarket where I usually shop. They had two left last Friday; I bought one. Cost was $2.00. They had a similar TMNT "Flash Gun" as well; the design of the product lends itself to that. Anyway, the Flash Gun is a small flashlight in the shape of a pistol, with the trigger serving as the "on" switch. For the SK version it's molded in medium blue, with a bright orange front cap to hold the bulb, and another bright orange cap at the rear of the "slide" to access the battery compartment. There's a sticker on the front of the "slide", with the SK logo in red & blue on a yellow background. This is all that identifies it as an SK item. The "gun" is blister packed on a 5x7" card with its single no-name-brand battery. The front of the card is full color, the top being black and the bottom where the toy is mounted being medium blue. The top features the "SWAT KATS - the radical squadron" logo, and a picture: Razor in a three-point crouch with right fist clenched lower middle, T-Bone standing with arms folded upper right, and the Turbo Kat upper left. The back of the card is unfinished grey, and is an ad for the SK video game for SNES by Hudson Soft. Again, it has the large SK logo. Producer of this item is Gordy Toy, part No. 362. If anyone wants it, it's yours for the $2 plus postage. Otherwise I'll just keep it floating on my desk with my McD and BK toys and Russian armored car model. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman Coming soon from Mattel! River Rowing Pocahontas with Motorized Paddling Action!! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 07:57:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA07347 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 07:47:55 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 07:47:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199505161147.HAA02130@unix5.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Konway finds poster! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I finally got my hands on the poster! :) :) :) It was, of all places, in a Wal-Mart in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. Now, I would like to say that I flew all the way to Arkansas to get the poster, but that's not entirely true. I do have it, though, and am trying to decide if I want to hang it in my living room at home, or on the door of my lab. My employer will REALLY wonder about me. Regarding Andy's trivia on "Mutation City": that, too, was the episode where 'Dr. Konway' appeared. :) They didn't make him old enough or fat enough, though. Right, Dana? ----- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Poster Scientist Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 09:28:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA07955 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 08:58:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 05:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Konway finds poster! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199505161147.HAA02130@unix5.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ...yes, but did he find his fan letter? Heh! On Tue, 16 May 1995 flogistn@netaxs.com wrote: > I finally got my hands on the poster! :) :) :) > > It was, of all places, in a Wal-Mart in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. Talked to Christian last night, and there aren't any in his area at all (Van Nuys, CA) but he's going to call around. Wal-Mart, huh...I've got one of them I know of north of the 49th, I'll have a look. Our K-Mart only has MMPR/Gargoyles...er, "stuff". > Regarding Andy's trivia on "Mutation City": that, too, was the episode where > 'Dr. Konway' appeared. :) They didn't make him old enough or fat enough, > though. Right, Dana? "Mutation City" has so far defied all my attempts to see it, but that's gonna change PDQ. Christian told me that this episode started something new that became the standard for much of the second season eps. The Tremblay's provided the story outline for a lot of the second season stuff, the first of which was "Mutation", and they did "inspirational art" to help the writers come up with ideas. It's basically drawings of key scenes so that the writers keep true to the "vision" of the story concept. I understand a homeless person gets chowed in "Mutation"? See what happens when you vote Republican? Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 09:35:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA08136 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 09:23:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 06:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: H-B wakes up and smells the coffee... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: After getting into all that trouble for posting stuff on the 'net about the upcoming 'KATS stuff, I figured any phone calls to me from H-B were going to fall into the "Sh**:The Next Generation" category. Bzzzt! I got an incredibly positive one from the guy in charge of fan-relations for the 'KAT guys yesterday, and interest in the program is kind of experiencing a "Prague Spring" over there. This guy really made my day, what a difference from all the bull I had to go through previously. Anyway, what it boils down to is that they're going to start promoting the 'KATS, realizing that (thanks to the people that commented here, on r.a.a. and in mail) there IS a lot of interest among the viewers. Get this - all of July is "SwatKats Month" on The Cartoon Network to coincide with the video/SNES release, and they're working on the promotions right now. I may have a hand in that aspect of it, so if anyone has any suggestions of what kind of thing they'd like to see (giveaways, contests, that kind of stuff) please let me know. One thing I do need to know, even from the legions of lurkers, is the channel that people are watching the program on; i.e. TBS, The Cartoon Network, or your local almost-affiliate. If you could, please e-mail me with your info in this respect, you don't need to include your name or anything, just the Network you watch the guys on. Walt (Wkoziol@delphi.com) is keeping a list of names for the mail-based fan-club, if you want on it, please e-mail him your info. The H-B "official" club looks like it's going to happen, and this is the best way to make sure you're part of it. I had one idea for the TCN promotion. I was going to suggest that they have some kind of random drawing from all the fan mail they receive through the month of July for maybe a few of the SNES games, the home videos, and some autographed posters of the 'KATS from Christian and Yvon. The idea has been tossed around that maybe a piece of original signed artwork actually used to make the program would be one of the prizes - "tell me what you think"! If there is sufficient interest, it will likely happen, and having it fan-mail based gives everyone a chance instead of just those watching the 'KAT guys and gals on TCN. If you have any other ideas of what would be cool prizes or contest stuff, pass 'em on. Meanwhile in Atlanta, Ted turns up the air-conditioning...it always gets hot when you misjudge the audience... Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 14:29:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA12241 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 14:10:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199505161810.OAA20987@k12.oit.umass.edu> From: framos@k12.oit.umass.edu (Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: H-B wakes up and smells the coffee... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: YEAH! A suggestion, if I might add one.... MORE SWAT KATS being aired, particularly in syndication... and MUCH BETTER time slots. There are a LOT of people and kids that I know would LOVE to watch this program, but have never even HEARD of the program or maybe heard something of it, but never watched it. I think you know what I mean, since you and the others have the same complaint, really... but it can't be emphasized enough that it is DEFINITELY in the wrong timeslot. Swat Katz is not a 4am-6am type of program.... it's lucky that even *I* found out about it from Dana Uehara... if it weren't for him role playing the character on FurTooniaMUCK of Razor... I wouldn't have asked about whre the char came from and thus would have been oblivious to the entire thing---and thankfully, I'm NOT. Oh well. Hafdda post my $0.02 for the month. :) Carry on! -Dan "Sonic" Ramos @ FurTooniaMUCK From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 15:27:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA13085 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 15:11:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9505161910.AA06066@cisk> Subject: From the cockpit of the Turbokat... To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Tue, 16 May 95 12:10:47 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1015 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ... no, it doesn't have the same ring as Ann Gora from Kat's-Eye News. But in any event, I figured I should post something here, seeing as how I've been semi-lurking (not good if I helped originate the list!). For the rest of you lurkers: I don't mind people lurking on the list, but it'd be nice to hear from you every once in a while, just to make sure you still have a pulse. ;-) Walt and I are trying to start up the Kats fan club, with Walt doing most of the legwork since I have my hands (paws?) full keeping an eye on the list (I'm surprised at how successful it's been, actually). I'm also working on the Kats' Web page (tho the server seems to be down at the moment) and adding links to other places as well. If you manage to see the Kats' home page (http://venom.st.hmc.edu/~razor/swatkats.html) and want to add anything to it, please let me know! -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 20:58:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16032 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 20:36:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 95 14:35:59 HST Message-Id: <9505170035.AA27606@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: higa@math.hawaii.edu (Jonathan Higa) Subject: time slot Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: In response to several requests and mentions of show times: I tape two instances of SWAT Kats. First is the Sunday 07:35 Eastern Time show on TBS, which is at 01:35 Hawaiian Standard Time for now. Second is the local rebroadcast at Sunday 09:30 HST on NewsChannel 8. -- Jonathan Higa, higa@math.hawaii.edu From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 22:31:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA16844 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 22:04:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 19:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: time slot To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505170035.AA27606@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 16 May 1995, Jonathan Higa wrote: > In response to several requests and mentions of show times: I tape > two instances of SWAT Kats. First is the Sunday 07:35 Eastern Time show on > TBS, which is at 01:35 Hawaiian Standard Time for now. Second is the local > rebroadcast at Sunday 09:30 HST on NewsChannel 8. Hmm. Seems not too many people _get_ the Cartoon Network. In Canada, TCN isn't allowed by our Government (no, I _don't_ remember voting "Fascist" either), and we can only watch the program on TBS on pay-cable. In other words, it comes in scrambled and we have to pay extra every month to be able to see it. (Heck, compared to some of the competition in animated stuff, they're even good as "Scrambled Kats"). I had a couple of "timeslot" responses, I'd sure very much appreciate a few more. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 22:59:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA16991 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 22:34:04 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Kats mentioned on... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQL5DGA5CI9DCUQW@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 14 May 1995 I wrote: > They were on "Life Styles of the Rich & Famous". I only > caught a small part of the story, but they did mention > along with "2 Stupid Dog" and >> "SWAT Kats" << I happended to catch the same show again on another station later on and recorded it. The Kats ep. they showed was one that I've never seen before. In the clip, the TurboKat is carrying what looks like a giant mummy with some kind of crown on its head. On Mon, 15 May 1995 Andy Hill wrote: >Heh! It gets better than that. Turner sent a TV crew to Warner >Bros. Animation to interview some of the folks there who used to >work for H-B as part of some upcoming Hanna-Barbera retrospective. Do you know when/where this retrospective is gonna air? I'd like to see it... >EXACTLY what he thought, and gave them both barrels. He knows Sounds like something we (the fans) have been doing. If we only had a few "higher-ups" in the industry to put some questions to TPS & make Captain Plan.. er, Ted give us some answers. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 16 23:28:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17176 for kats-ll; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:01:05 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: time slot To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQL6C2TZ9W9DCUQW@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: In South-Eastern lower Michigan, SWAT Kats airs on TBS Sunday mornings at 7:35am and Saturday evenings at 5:30pm (EST) There are no local stations that show the sydicated shows (that I know of). -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 01:27:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA18197 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 01:16:59 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 01:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Konway finds poster! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQLAY56GUA93LACD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com You are one lucky Doc, DOC!!!!! There is no way in hell that I'm going to give up my search for my poster. I know somewhere in Western part of Massachusettes has a poster with my name on it, even if I have to tear apart the whole west side of this state. If I still can't find one then I'll hit Boston and then I'll cross the boarder to Connecticut, and then I'll tear another black whole through the whole state just to find one poster. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 01:57:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA18481 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 01:49:33 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 01:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: From the cockpit of the Turbokat... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQLBHS1ZMO93LACD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com AFFIRMATIVE PAL!!!!! I can't believe the feed back that I'm getting and this only started out as a petition list to get more feed-back. Once I reached a certain amount of names, I was going to write a nice letter and included all the names of the people who were as ticked off as Dana and myself. Then the second part that Dana and I hoped to do was making "The Unofficial Swat Kats Fan Club" become "The Official Swat Kats Fan Club." The way things are going we are extremely close in doing it. Also, I would like to thank all the people to make this all possible. If it weren't for you and your good taste in excellent cartoons then this won't be possible. Now certain drawbacks to "The Unofficial Swat Kats Fan Club." Righ now the membership is free. Thats right, FREE!!!!! If we become "The Official SWAT Kats Fan Club" there might be a f to join the official part of the club. If Dana and I are the ones to be in charged of "The Official SWAT Kats Fan Club" these dues will go towards the club activities that we come up with providing HB oks it. I am not going to mention what the activities will be as of yet, seeing that we are not in charge of "The Official SWAT Kats Fan Club." "The Unofficial SWAT Kats Fan Club" will still be going and will still be freeuntil "The Official SWAT Kats Fan Club" begins. Once the official fan club begins then the unofficial one will come to an end. If Dana and I are put in charge of the official fan club just expect a lot of excellent and wild stuff to happen providing HB sez ok to these ideas. Until then, if you want to join "The Unofficial SWAT Kats Fan Club," then leave me you snail mail address and send your email address to Dana. Thats all there is to join "The Unofficial SWAT Kats Fan Club." If you have any further questions about the unofficial club then you can leave me email at wkoziol@delphi.com. So common on and join. The bigger we grow the stronger we will become, and then the louder our voices will be heard. WALT EMAIL ADDRESS -- wkoziol@delphi.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 07:58:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA19710 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 07:55:59 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9505170755.ZM20488@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 07:55:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: MATT_W@delphi.com "Re: Kats mentioned on..." (May 16, 10:33pm) References: <01HQL5DGA5CI9DCUQW@delphi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: KatsEye News Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Morning All, On my weekly dose of the Kats I was treated to a compilation that I had never seen before. It was a KatsEye news report, with Ann Gora talking about the Kats, their equipment and the various situations they've been in. There were interviews with various leading characters, detailed looks at the SwatKats technology, and other fun things. There was a competition between Razor and T-Bone to name the villian and the S.K.I.Q. (SwatKats Insider Quiz), which in actuality was somewhat silly. There were lots of voice overs with new voices as well as the woman who does Ann Gora. This covered episodes from both seasons. It looked like a somewhat rushed job as the editing was done without too much concern for matching the characters lip movements. Now to see what new suprises next week holds. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 08:28:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA19903 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 08:27:15 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 08:27:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199505171227.IAA13053@unix5.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Found the letters! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I finally dredged up the fanboy-mail letters that I sent to the Brothers Tremblay (via HB). Fancy that they would be in my briefcase! Who'd have thought to look there? The first letter follows: Swat Kats Hanna-Barbera Cartoons, Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90068-1376 Dear Sirs: The message at the end of last week's episode asked to "write and tell us what you think." I now do so, if only to let you know that it is not only young children who enjoy this cartoon. There are no such young children in my household, and yet the television is always tuned to Swat Kats early every Sunday morning. [editorial note: SK is on Sunday mornings on TBS at 7:35 AM Eastern, and again in the afternoon around 4 or so] I am not certain what it is that makes Swat Kats so appealing to an old scientist. Surely, the imagination behind the furturistic technology is one factor, as is the humor. Perhaps it is because the Kats are former government employees who have rebelled and now surpass the abilities of their former masters? Definitely a plus! [editorial note: I was an employee of the U.S. Government at the time!] The fact that the show does not appear to cater to the lowest common denominator of its audience is also very refreshing to me. In this age of oversanitization of cartoons and the cry for less violence, I am glad to see that someone is bold enough to portray both the violence and its inevitable, tragic aftereffects. This, I think, is a greater lesson for our children than trying to shield them from all unpleasantries. But then, it is not necessarly for the lessons that I wake up so early on Sunday; I just like the Kats. And the monsters -- let us have more monsters, if you please! And if it would not be stepping over the lines of decency for a Sunday-morning cartoon, couldn't we allow poor T-Bone just one small kiss from Callie now and then? He certainly has earned it, time and again! Do keep up the good work! Sincerely, Dr. Samuel Conway Senior Chemist, Synthesis National Center for Toxicological Research +++ Some months later I received the standard fan-letter reply that we all have gotten, and then shortly after that, to my extreme delight, I received the following, with a postmark from Quebec: Montreal, March 11, 1994 Dear Dr. Conway, My name is Christian Tremblay, and my brother Yvon and I are the creators of "Swat-Kats". [editorial note. "ee-YOW!"] It is very rewarding to know that people like you understand what we tried to achieve in our animated show. It is difficult as creator to exactly translate the vision we had in our mind to the many and many other artists involved in a project like this one, and done in such a restricted schedule. But even with that, we're quite happy with the end result! But wait!!! There is a _second_ season coming out September '94! And this time, the people involved understand more our vision, and more time has been given to us to produce it!! This second season will be _much better_ than the first one and yes, there will be more monsters!!! So stay tuned! Oh! I forgot, there is even a character called _Dr. Konway_ in the episode called "Mutation City". (which I include a small drawing). So, see you, with new adventures of Swat-Kats in September '94, and thank you for liking our show! Christian Tremblay. PS (We are French Candien from Province of Quebec, so sorry about my English). [editorial note: de mon avis, son Anglais est bon! Ils y ont beaucoup des etudients Americains qui ne peuvent pas ecriver un sentence en leurs seul lange.] PSS. If you wonder what the back of this sheet is, it's a copy page from a storyboard of "Mutation City". Once the script is written, artists transfert [sic -- that's French!] the script into a succession of drawings, and once the storyboard is done, animators animate each drawing. Then the drawings are painted and shot with a 35 mm motion picture camera. [a very bitchin' drawing of T-bone and Razor, along with the Turbo-Kat in flight, was at the top of this page. On the back, as promised, was a section of storyboard from "Mutation City". A third page had a character sketch of "Dr. Konway", who at least in his early incarnation looked suitably old and fat.] +++ I was moved to reply, and penned a second note directly. Dear MM. Tremblay, I was very happy to receive your reply. My fellow chemists thought that I was far too old to send fan mail to the creators of a television cartoon, but I wanted to let you know that your work is appreciated. Your English was superb, so you need not worry. It is far, far better than my French! the picture of "Dr. Konway" delighted me! I have put it on the wall over my desk. Il me ressemble -- vieil et gros! [ed. note: It looks like me -- old and fat!] I was curious as to whether he was named after you received my letter. If so, I am very flattered; if not, then I am astonished at the coincidence! [seems he was. oboy!] You should know that I am not the only scientist who likes to watch Swat Kats. I recently met a young student who is studying for an advanced degree in atmospheric sciences, who also watches it every week. [ed note: Don't tell anyone that I was talking about Dana Uehara! :)] He and I were discussing the appeal that it has for us: two dedicated, hard-working kats who are very good at what they do, who rise above the arrogant, incompetent manage- ment who fired them. In fact, the very message that Swat Kats holds for today's children seems to be "question authority" -- do not let those in charge prevent you from doing a good job. It is a message that our children need very much to learn. We realized, too, in our discussion, that both of us have worked at one time for someone very much like Commander Feral: someone who deep-down is actually very talented, but so caught up with maintaining his image and stature that he constantly bungles the situation, and then blames it on someone else. It is good to see the talented worker prevail over such people! So indeed, that is true....but mostly, he likes the TurboKat, and I still like the monsters! I am looking forward to the second season! I still wake up early on Sundays to watch the first season's episodes, even though I have seen them all before. That is probably the best illustration of how much I enjoy your creations. Once again, thank you for writing, and keep up the good work! Sincerely, Dr. Samuel Conway National Center for Toxicological Research Jefferson, Arkansas, USA. +++ I received no reply to this one. I do hope they received it, and that the mailroom goons at the FDA didn't confiscate the letter to make sure I wasn't giving away any government secrets. We all know how the Food and Drug Administration has to worry about national security. >:6 Any questions? ------ Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Staff Monster-lover Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 09:27:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA20446 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:25:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 06:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: KatsEye News Report To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505170755.ZM20488@tekdev-10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 17 May 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > Morning All, > On my weekly dose of the Kats I was treated to a compilation that I had > never seen before. It was a KatsEye news report, with Ann Gora talking about > the Kats, their equipment and the various situations they've been in. Hmm. Where the hell was this shown? (Network, time etc). This is completely out of the blue to me! The voice of Ann Gora is actually Candi Milo - and they must have just cobbled it together in advance of the TCN promotion or something. Hmm. I'll have to ask. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 09:29:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA20274 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:12:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 06:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Kats mentioned on... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQL5DGA5CI9DCUQW@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 16 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > I happended to catch the same show again on another > station later on and recorded it. The Kats ep. they showed > was one that I've never seen before. In the clip, the > TurboKat is carrying what looks like a giant mummy with > some kind of crown on its head. It's from "Deadly Pyramid", and it's one of the best-animated things I've ever seen from anyone, at any time, anywhere. If you missed this ep when it came around, I think it's going to show up on TCN. > >EXACTLY what he thought, and gave them both barrels. He knows > > Sounds like something we (the fans) have been doing. If we only > had a few "higher-ups" in the industry to put some questions to > TPS & make Captain Plan.. er, Ted give us some answers. > > -Matt I don't know when or where that "retrospective" is going to air, and this tour of Warner's was about a month or so ago. Speaking of "answers", I posted the "Captain Planet" movie info on rec.arts.animation, and it drew a couple of responses - one in the form of a phone call from someone who wouldn't give a name. I'll transcribe it to r.a.a. and if people can't get the group and ask, I'll print it here as well. Seems a few people are wondering why a "Planet" movie got the green-light over a "Kats" one. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 09:57:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA20602 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 09:33:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 06:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Found the letters! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199505171227.IAA13053@unix5.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Man, Doc Konway's letter was damn good - that's pretty much what got me hooked on the show as well, among some other stuff. If the Bros. Tremblay didn't get the followup letter by yourself, the mistake will soon be corrected. Too cool. Andy (I even understood the French stuff! Grade 5 wasn't a total loss...) _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 10:27:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA21150 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 10:15:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 95 10:09:15 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: time slot Message-ID: <9505171009.aa03373@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: NYC Area TBS - 0735 Friday and 0735 Sunday WPIX (independent) - 0530 Wednesday No Cartoon Network on my cable. Time to harass them again :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman Coming soon from Mattel! River Rowing Pocahontas with Motorized Paddling Action!! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 17 11:27:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA21881 for kats-ll; Wed, 17 May 1995 11:12:34 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9505171111.ZM20910@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 11:11:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "Re: KatsEye News Report" (May 17, 6:26am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: KatsEye News Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On May 17, 6:26am, Andy Hill wrote: > Subject: Re: KatsEye News Report > > On Wed, 17 May 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > > > Morning All, > > On my weekly dose of the Kats I was treated to a compilation that I had > > never seen before. It was a KatsEye news report, with Ann Gora talking about > > the Kats, their equipment and the various situations they've been in. > > Hmm. Where the hell was this shown? (Network, time etc). This is > completely out of the blue to me! The voice of Ann Gora is actually > Candi Milo - and they must have just cobbled it together in advance of > the TCN promotion or something. Hmm. I'll have to ask. > > Andy > >-- End of excerpt from Andy Hill This was shown on WPIX channel 11 in NY - New York City at 5:30 on Wednesday. Very strange. The show contained both seasons, they showed the Jet Skies and the speed of heat. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 18 10:57:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA06276 for kats-ll; Thu, 18 May 1995 10:29:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 07:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Miss Briggs, refuelled TurboKat, and a screwup. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: First of all, oops! No Korean 'Kats after all. Mook is Japanese as is reflected in the FAQ, but Hanho Heung-Up is Taiwanese, not Korean. There's been a few questions from Callie Briggs would-be suitors, and guess what? She wasn't even going to be in the show at the outset. Initially, T-Bone (who was nearly called "Doomsday" - eesh.) and Razor were to battle their daily quota of monsters with help from their friend, a "policewoman". The "policewoman" idea was dropped (temporarily, until Felian appeared) and Callie written in. The supporting cast was also re-written to a large extent from the original concept. The "policewoman" idea seems to have gained acceptance by at least one other studio - witness "Gargoyles". Callie's managed to stay more or less out of the "April O'Neil" mold, she's not kidnapped half as often - and has her fair share of great lines in the show, my favourite of which has to be from "Chaos in Crystal", where Rexx Shard says: "...I thought diamonds were a girl's best friend.." and Callie answers: "I don't like the setting!" Heh! Next, people have asked whether or not H-B's seemingly renewed interest in the project means anything substantial in terms of resuscitating the program. To be honest, I don't know. Ted has a built-in "back door" provided to him by Disney's marketing yo-yo with the "Lion King", and could say that he always meant to continue the program, he just "temporarily" discontinued it for "marketing reasons". On the plus side, they are changing the timeslot to a better one, they are doing the TCN promotion, and they have apparently created some new advertising (like that "Ann Gora" retrospective people saw on New York stations). If anyone has noticed the fall lineup, it's pretty scary, and new networks are leading their kids schedule with a bunch of un-tried stuff. If TPS is smart, they'll realize that they already have a proven show, and could clean up in the ratings again if they just had some new eps to offer us in the fall. Just think how much more of the licensed stuff they'd sell if they just announced during the TCN promotion that there will be "new episodes". Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 18 18:57:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA11654 for kats-ll; Thu, 18 May 1995 18:39:33 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 May 95 17:34:47 PDT From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: I'm Back Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi! This is Matthew Milam. I managed to finally get into the ibm global network without any problems. So what's happened lately. Mcshade From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 18 19:27:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11996 for kats-ll; Thu, 18 May 1995 19:09:54 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 May 95 18:06:09 PDT From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: RE: I'm Back Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi! This is Matthew Milam. I managed to finally get into the ibm global network without any problems. So what's happened lately. Mcshade From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 18 19:30:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA11946 for kats-ll; Thu, 18 May 1995 19:07:58 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 19:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: H-B Stores? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQNQRSWBU09I9YHE@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Anyone have the locations of the Hanna-Barbera stores? Are they nation-wide like WB, or just in LA? I'm sure this would be a prime spot to be on the lookout for SK stuff! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 18 20:27:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA12400 for kats-ll; Thu, 18 May 1995 19:58:39 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 May 95 18:55:02 PDT From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) To: kats@sard.mv.net To: MATT_W@delphi.com Subject: RE: H-B Stores? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi! This is matthew milam. I am now back on the internet with the Ibm Global network. what has happened lately? Mcshade From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 19 10:57:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA18357 for kats-ll; Fri, 19 May 1995 10:28:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: H-B Stores? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQNQRSWBU09I9YHE@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 18 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > Anyone have the locations of the Hanna-Barbera stores? > Are they nation-wide like WB, or just in LA? I'm sure this > would be a prime spot to be on the lookout for SK stuff! Hmm. I didn't know that there were such things in existence, I only know of the "Employee Store" at H-B on Cahuenga Blvd. I'll ask, though. P.S. How many people would be interested in a copy of "Animato!" that contains that extensive SwatKats article? Looks like I'll have to get my copy from the publisher directly, and if there is sufficient interest, I'll buy a few and mail them out on the same no-profit basis that Matt W did with the posters. Let me know, the pub date is June something-or-other, and "back-issues" won't exist. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 19 12:27:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA19716 for kats-ll; Fri, 19 May 1995 12:18:39 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9505191217.ZM27746@tekdev-10> Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 12:17:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "Re: H-B Stores?" (May 19, 7:30am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: H-B Stores? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The only H-B store I know of is at Universal Studios tied into the H-B ride. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 19 14:58:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA21974 for kats-ll; Fri, 19 May 1995 14:55:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9505191854.AA08902@cisk> Subject: On the Kats' home page... To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Fri, 19 May 95 11:54:58 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 625 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Those of you who may have been trying to get to the SWAT Kats Web page may have noticed that the server was down on Monday and Tuesday. From what I've been told, this is because the machine is a student-run machine and had to be moved from one dorm to another (to the only dorm that would be open during the summer). This may happen periodically as the site changes during the course of the academic year, tho the site *name* (venom.st.hmc.edu) will still remain the same. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 19 16:28:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA22942 for kats-ll; Fri, 19 May 1995 16:02:24 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fbcf9361e87002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 19 May 95 15:01:58 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: On the Kats' home page... Content-Length: 42 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: What was the address for that page again? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 19 16:58:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA23356 for kats-ll; Fri, 19 May 1995 16:31:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9505192031.AA10289@cisk> Subject: Re: On the Kats' home page... To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 19 May 95 13:31:29 PDT In-Reply-To: <2fbcf9361e87002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> from "fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu" at May 19, 95 03:01:58 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 386 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu writes: > What was the address for that page again? It's in the FAQ, but I'll give it again: 'http://venom.st.hmc.edu/~razor/swatkats.html' Your Web browser MUST support graphics, or the page will not work. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 19 17:58:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA24020 for kats-ll; Fri, 19 May 1995 17:46:50 -0400 From: tigress@tlcnet.com Message-ID: <9505191443.0KOOS00@tlcnet.com> Organization: T.L.C. - The Local Connection X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v3.17 Date: Fri, 19 May 95 14:43:29 Subject: RE: ON THE KATS' HOME PAGE... To: kats@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ??? this in reply to an address for a page? please clairify... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 19 19:28:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA24754 for kats-ll; Fri, 19 May 1995 19:06:38 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 19:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: H-B Stores? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQP50HK8NC9KM917@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: If anyone is still interested in posters and hasn't been able to find them at a local store, let me know. I have about 9 or 10 Kmarts that are within 15mi of where I live. (Well, Michigan IS the home state of Kmart! ) > Hmm. I didn't know that there were such things in existence, >I only know of the "Employee Store" at H-B on Cahuenga Blvd. I'll >ask, though. The reason I ask about the H-B store is because I saw one on a TV show & it looked like it was in a mall... -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 20 07:59:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA28855 for kats-ll; Sat, 20 May 1995 07:52:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 04:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: GIF on Aol.com's TCN section... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Those of us with access to aol.com will probably like to know that there is a SwatKats GIF finally posted to their section for the Cartoon Network. I haven't seen it, but evidently it's the drawing from the toy packaging, with T-Bone standing arms crossed, and Razor in the "ready to pounce" stance (crouch?). Maybe he fell, who knows? Anyway, if someone can grab it and send it to Rat's FTP site, everyone can steal it. Andy PS Two requests for Animato! logged. I will have excess copies likely for people who are going to attempt to find it on newsstands, and fail. _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 20 14:28:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA00693 for kats-ll; Sat, 20 May 1995 14:02:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: GIF on Aol.com's TCN section... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 20 May 1995, Andy Hill wrote: > Those of us with access to aol.com will probably like to know that > there is a SwatKats GIF finally posted to their section for the Cartoon > Network. I haven't seen it, but evidently it's the drawing from the toy > packaging, with T-Bone standing arms crossed, and Razor in the "ready to > pounce" stance (crouch?). Maybe he fell, who knows? Anyway, if someone > can grab it and send it to Rat's FTP site, everyone can steal it. I found it and downloaded from AOL fully expecting to write you saying I already had it. But I didn't! Hey everybody! new kat image: ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub/kats/images/promo/poster2.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://ftp.mv.com/pub/users/rat AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 21 07:58:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA08311 for kats-ll; Sun, 21 May 1995 07:42:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9505211142.AA21035@cisk> Subject: New 'Kats episode?!?! To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Sun, 21 May 95 4:42:13 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 510 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The episode is airing even as I write... but it appears to be a Kat's Eye News Special Report on the SWAT Kats. I didn't catch the beginning (I'm taping the ep now, but I can't watch it until the taping is over), but I think this may be one of the episodes that Andy mentioned (not sure, though). In any event, I'll have more comments on the episode later. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 21 22:30:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA13524 for kats-ll; Sun, 21 May 1995 22:07:19 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 22:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQS3W6LXCO9JHMMY@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >The episode is airing even as I write... but it appears to be a >Kat's Eye News Special Report on the SWAT Kats. I didn't catch Someone who lives in New York mentioned seeing this ep on a local station (WPIX I think..) Whoever you are (sorry) was this the ep you were talking about? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 07:29:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA16126 for kats-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:24:13 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9505220723.ZM5761@tekdev-10> Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 07:23:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: MATT_W@delphi.com "Re: New 'Kats episode?!?!" (May 21, 10:07pm) References: <01HQS3W6LXCO9JHMMY@delphi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On May 21, 10:07pm, MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! > >The episode is airing even as I write... but it appears to be a > >Kat's Eye News Special Report on the SWAT Kats. I didn't catch > > Someone who lives in New York mentioned seeing this ep on a > local station (WPIX I think..) > > Whoever you are (sorry) was this the ep you were talking about? > -Matt >-- End of excerpt from MATT_W@delphi.com YES!! -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 07:41:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA16116 for kats-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 07:22:43 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9505220721.ZM5755@tekdev-10> Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 07:21:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) "New 'Kats episode?!?!" (May 21, 4:42am) References: <9505211142.AA21035@cisk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On May 21, 4:42am, Dana Uehara wrote: > Subject: New 'Kats episode?!?! > The episode is airing even as I write... but it appears to be a Kat's > Eye News Special Report on the SWAT Kats. I didn't catch the beginning > (I'm taping the ep now, but I can't watch it until the taping is over), > but I think this may be one of the episodes that Andy mentioned (not sure, > though). In any event, I'll have more comments on the episode later. > This episode is a compilation of other episodes, covering both 1st and 2nd season, with voice overs to connect the scenes. > -- > =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== > "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor >-- End of excerpt from Dana Uehara -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 15:29:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA21247 for kats-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 15:25:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 95 14:18:06 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505221918.AA27573@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I caught the SKIQ episode on Sunday, and I would have to agree that it is a quickly hacked together, poorly continuotious (is that a word, meaning doesn't flow well), and the dub over of Callie's voice when she says "The Sat Kats have saved this city *again and again*" was terrible (loosely translated, but it waas the last couple of words she said. Also, I rewatched the episode where Dr. Viper goes after Catalyst 99 with the bacteria monster (sorry not sure of exact title), and after seeing some of the second season ones, the artwork improvements are more visable now. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 22 15:59:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA21388 for kats-ll; Mon, 22 May 1995 15:34:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9505221934.AA00461@cisk> Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 22 May 95 12:34:40 PDT In-Reply-To: <9505221918.AA27573@sv1.gentire.com> from "Ian Lynn" at May 22, 95 02:18:06 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1243 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Ian Lynn writes: > I caught the SKIQ episode on Sunday, and I would have to agree that it is > a quickly hacked together [episode]... Is it just me, or was anyone else expecting an actual interview with the SWAT Kats? Remember, Ann Gora *did* actually interview the duo once, after they captured Chopshop... I have to agree that in retrospect, the episode isn't of the caliber as of the earlier episodes. I'm not sure if H-B (or the Tremblays -- am I gonna get in trouble for this? ;-) just wanted an episode to sort of "close out" the series. The episode isn't "bad" per se, IMHO; it just looked more sloppily put together than the other episodes that aired. > Also, I rewatched the episode where Dr. Viper goes after Catalyst 99 with > the bacteria monster (sorry not sure of exact title), and after seeing > some of the second season ones, the artwork improvements are more visable now. "The Giant Bacteria" (1993). Animation by Hanho Heung-Up. The ftp directory on pumadyne has been revised and now includes a full episode list (which I got from _Toon Magazine_, Fall 1994). -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 00:29:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA26500 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 00:11:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505221934.AA00461@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 22 May 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Is it just me, or was anyone else expecting an actual interview with the > SWAT Kats? Remember, Ann Gora *did* actually interview the duo once, > after they captured Chopshop... Yep. The episode is one of the 11 minute ones, and it's called "SwatKats Unplugged" written by Glenn Leopold. "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'Kat must fly..." > I have to agree that in retrospect, the episode isn't of the caliber as > of the earlier episodes. I'm not sure if H-B (or the Tremblays -- am I > gonna get in trouble for this? ;-) just wanted an episode to sort of > "close out" the series. The episode isn't "bad" per se, IMHO; it just > looked more sloppily put together than the other episodes that aired. I'm going to ask when/why they came up with this idea, but I'll guess it was a cheap way to get a "new" episode without getting any more animation done - they just take some scraps to AVID and get the voice artists to come back in and lay the tracks. I haven't seen it yet, some kind soul is forwarding me a tape, but from some of the dialogue I've heard it could actually be more or less adlibbed by Barry G. and Charlie A. while the tape was running on the editor. "Close out the series"? Mmm...I'd have to actually see it, but I kind of doubt it's intended that way. Look at all of us going "cool, something new!" - I'm sure they realize that lots of other folks think exactly the same thing. I would even go so far as to suggest that the Brothers Tremblay know nothing about it. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 06:59:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA28223 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 06:35:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 10:35:37 GMT Message-Id: <199505231035.AA140573@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) Subject: Swat Kats Movie Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This is how i belive The Swat Kats Movie should go.... T-Bone and Razor face the utlimate danger.......a new evil........this evil is so evil that it couldn't have been concived of by man kind. He is named Katthis........his mission.......once every 500 years fight the good in the world.........his first mission........kill the Swat Kats by doing what they try to do best: Save the megakat city. Can they do it?????????? Only they can and possibly a new warrior??????? Who is he or she???? Find out this fall when The Swat Kats go to there very first movie. This fall "ALL SYSTEMS ARE GO!" are on the hottest film of the fall. SWAT KATS: THE RADICAL MOVIE. mcshade (matthew milam) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 09:29:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA29132 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 09:18:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 95 08:11:02 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505231311.AA07233@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Opening song...... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: To all with WWW access- Found a http that has the openig credit song. Sorry if this has gone out here before. http://aieecs.umich.edu/people/kennyp/sounds/cartoon_shows/swatcats.au I, personally kept getting a 404 error when I tried to get in the page, but through Lycos search --(http://query2.lycos.cs.cmu.edu/lycos-form.html) running a search for Swat Kats, I got it to down load directly. Any problems, let me know and I can send it to you in a .au form. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 11:29:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00464 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:07:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 08:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Swat Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199505231035.AA140573@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 23 May 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: > This is how i belive The Swat Kats Movie should go.... > > T-Bone and Razor face the utlimate danger.......a new evil........this evil > is so evil that it couldn't have been concived of by man kind. Ahem..."'KAT-kind"... > He is named Katthis........his mission.......once every 500 years fight the > good in the world.........his first mission........kill the Swat Kats by > doing what they try to do best: Save the megakat city. Don't you mean "preventing them from doing what they do best"..? > Can they do it?????????? > > Only they can and possibly a new warrior??????? This bit could be cool, but it could also weaken the storyline by forcing regular viewers of the series to "adopt" a new character when they really want to see the established ones in a seriously good flick. It would only be worth it if they took the 88 minute window as an opportunity to introduce a new character that would become a regular on any future episodes of the series. I kind of always liked the idea of having one of the Enforcer guys who maybe trained with Razor and T-Bone become their friend, and show up as an incidental character from time to time, yet totally unassociated with either Callie Briggs or Felina Feral. This guy would know the identities of the guys, but stay very much in the background except for a couple of voice over appearances in terms of a phone call etc, and maybe a couple of times in the Enforcer crowd shots next to Feral. Just an idea. If such a character was created for the movie, and they wanted the movie to leave an impression, this character could be killed off just prior to the climax of the movie to underscore the fact that it's a "serious" flick. Anyway, early developmental-type thoughts, I'd personally hate to develop a new character for the specific purpose of wasting the guy for dramatic effect. > This fall "ALL SYSTEMS ARE GO!" are on the hottest film of the fall. > > SWAT KATS: THE RADICAL MOVIE. You know, this is a great title, and it's so obvious! Anyone got others? I've just about got another 50 pages for the Tremblay's. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 11:59:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00938 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 11:54:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 95 10:47:04 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505231547.AA08665@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: couple o' things..... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: With only twenty three (now possibly 24 with the Kats Eye News), has anyone the connections to get in a suggestion that the Cartoon Network run a marathon (12 hrs., obviously). They did it with "The Pirates of Darkwater" , which had to be close to 24 episodes, it seemed to be on for almost a full day (trust me I started watching at 1:00 p.m. and before I knew it, it was 9:00). I would think that this would be a major catapult for the videos and game releases. If thats what they are wanting to do, help the sales, that is. Once again I'll pose this question, Why will Ted let the CN show "G-Force" which is still moderately violent (The other day, a guy was thrown up against spikes, and as he fell off there was blood on the spikes), but he can find a bitch about SK?? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 12:29:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA01306 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:25:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: couple o' things..... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505231547.AA08665@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 23 May 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > With only twenty three (now possibly 24 with the Kats Eye News), has > anyone the connections to get in a suggestion that the Cartoon Network > run a marathon (12 hrs., obviously). They did it with "The Pirates of > Darkwater" , which had to be close to 24 episodes, it seemed to be on for > almost a full day (trust me I started watching at 1:00 p.m. and before I > knew it, it was 9:00). I would think that this would be a major catapult > for the videos and game releases. If thats what they are wanting to do, help > the sales, that is. I faxed off a few ideas to the "powers that be" for promotional stuff concerning the TCN deal, and no one's gotten back to me yet. I think that you'll see something along the lines of a marathon, but I haven't got the schedule yet - I'll ask. I did ask about the origins of the KatsEye news thing (when it was made, why, etc) and I'll put up the response. > Once again I'll pose this question, Why will Ted let the CN show "G-Force" > which is still moderately violent (The other day, a guy was thrown up against > spikes, and as he fell off there was blood on the spikes), but he can find a > bitch about SK?? From what I gather concerning the internal structure of the Turner owned properties, one hand rarely knows what the other is doing. We've all heard the Ted's public comments towards his promotion of the non-violent aspect of his toons, but no one is willing to stand up publicly and say that the perceived "violence" in 'KATS had anything to do with it's appalling treatment by the execs. Still, it's similar to having one of those "dot-to-dot" pictures with a couple of the dots missing: once you connect enough of the dots, it's fairly easy to see what the picture looks like - and you can fill in the rest by logical conclusion. I'd say that there are a few factions at work in Turner Entertainment, which is why you get these inexplicable contradictions from time to time. If the org wants to make money, will they be doing it with SK and G-Force or "Captain Planet"? If we can work it out, perhaps some of the suits can too. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 12:59:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA01645 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 12:43:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Swat Kats Movie In-Reply-To: <199505231035.AA140573@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Don't do that! Getting me all excited over nothing... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 19:29:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA08157 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:23:06 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Swat Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQUQR8O1EW93K64L@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Feral. This guy would know the identities of the guys, but stay >very much in the background except for a couple of voice over >appearances in terms of a phone call etc, and maybe a couple of >times in the Enforcer Hmmm.. Sounds really cool! Sort of an X-Files type of thing... Perhaps have an "evil" kat as a mole in the Enforcers creating havoc in the works and another kat as Andy mentioned above. Since the Enforcers wouldn't be able to find out who the mole is, the guys' friend could ask them to go in kinda undercover & flush the baddie out. Once that's done, then go into the usual SWAT Kat full thrusters, weapons blazing action to finally get rid of the guy. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 19:34:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA08019 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 19:10:54 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQUQBZGP0I93K64L@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > gonna get in trouble for this? ;-) just wanted an episode to >sort of "close out" the series. The episode isn't "bad" per se, >IMHO; it just looked more sloppily put together than the other >episodes that aired. ... >way. Look at all of us going "cool, something new!" - I'm sure >they realize that lots of other folks think exactly the same thing. Right! It didn't seem to be a show to "close out" the series as much as a show to "advertise" the series. For instance, near the end, they were showing & talking about the "new" weapons & vehicles "to be" used by the SWAT Kats (i.e. the jet skis & 4x4). I *do* think that the editor could have done a _much_ better job with the material. There was too much repetition of the Kat's Eye News bumpers. I did like the S.K.I.Q. very much -- especially the dialog between Jake & Chance! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 23 21:29:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA10219 for kats-ll; Tue, 23 May 1995 21:24:58 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 21:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Swat Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQUUNOAJOO9DEW0N@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Sorry pal, it won't fly cause you will be concentrating on the new hero than the SWAT Kats. Its their movie and it should be them only with the help of the other characters and not some new hero or heroine. If thats going to be the case then they should change the movie title to The New Hero/Heroine -- Starring the SWAT Kats. Now way, uh uh, forget it!!! If they concentrate on your so called new hero and have the true blue radical team as a side team then you can count me out in watching the movie. If Razor and T-Bone are not the main characters in the movie then forget it. Besides, it will take more time in establishing a new character and if they have to do two characters then the movie will be slow and sluggish and definitly won't be the SWAT Kats theme which is action. However I do agree with you about a new badguy, or better yet, how about the SWAT Kats destroying Dark Kat and he comes back bigger, badder, tougher, meaner, wiser, and more sinister. Work on the baises of that all kats have 9 - lives. Everytime you knock him off he comes back stronger, badder, wiser and etc.. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 06:59:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA14130 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 06:40:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 10:40:03 GMT Message-Id: <199505241040.AA127604@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) Subject: Re: New 'Kats episode?!?! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >> gonna get in trouble for this? ;-) just wanted an episode to >>sort of "close out" the series. The episode isn't "bad" per se, >>IMHO; it just looked more sloppily put together than the other >>episodes that aired. >... > >>way. Look at all of us going "cool, something new!" - I'm sure >>they realize that lots of other folks think exactly the same thing. > >Right! It didn't seem to be a show to "close out" the series as >much >as a show to "advertise" the series. For instance, near the end, >they >were showing & talking about the "new" weapons & vehicles "to be" >used by the SWAT Kats (i.e. the jet skis & 4x4). > >I *do* think that the editor could have done a _much_ better job >with >the material. There was too much repetition of the Kat's Eye News >bumpers. I did like the S.K.I.Q. very much -- especially the dialog >between Jake & Chance! > >-Matt > > What new episode did i miss? Swat Kats: The Radical Squardon. Please try and save this show for anyone who watches it. Fans sign up for THe Swat Kats Mailing list: To subscribe send a message to: Majordomo@sard.mv.net and type subscribe kats From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 09:29:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA15294 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:24:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 06:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Swat Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQUUNOAJOO9DEW0N@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 23 May 1995 WKOZIOL@delphi.com wrote: > Sorry pal, it won't fly cause you will be concentrating on the new hero than > the SWAT Kats. Its their movie and it should be them only with the help of > the other characters and not some new hero or heroine. If thats going to be Exactly right here. If new supporting characters on the good-guy side are introduced here, the emphasis _must_ remain on the 'KAT guys, and such a new character's only real purpose is to assist the development of the story, not to focus it on other than the SwatKats. Usually, any character that's a one-shot or a semi-regular ends up being used as a plot device, rather than something like the "third" SwatKat (Felina Feral in "Razor's Edge", for instance). > the main characters in the movie then forget it. Besides, it will take more > time in establishing a new character and if they have to do two characters then > the movie will be slow and sluggish and definitly won't be the SWAT Kats theme Yup. This can be shown in microcosm with the 11 minute ep "SwatKats Unplugged", where they tried to introduce a new villain "Chopshop". This ep seemed "rushed" and poorly paced because they really didn't have enough time to deal with the interaction of the 'KAT guys and a known villain, let alone introduce and develop a new one. Even in the BTAS movie "Mask of the Phantasm", they introduced a "new" villain, but had to work the backstory in as part of Bruce Wayne's "old flame" history; cool show, but had they tried to introduce the new villain as a separate entity from Bruce's ex-gal, there wouldn't have been enough "room" without seriously impeding the flow of the story. In the 88 minute animated format, there is usually room for only one sub-plot, and it can't become the most interesting part of the whole story. > which is action. However I do agree with you about a new badguy, or better > yet, how about the SWAT Kats destroying Dark Kat and he comes back bigger, > badder, tougher, meaner, wiser, and more sinister. Work on the baises of that > all kats have 9 - lives. Everytime you knock him off he comes back stronger, > badder, wiser and etc.. This was Lance Falk's original plan for Rexx Shard, the "Chaos in Crystal" dude. Each time he was to be defeated by the 'KAT guys, he'd come back a bit stronger, but with another obvious physical scar as evidence of the previous confrontation. The third season, had it been produced, would have had a couple of these eps. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 09:59:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA15457 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 09:37:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 06:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: "New" episode isn't so new... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Okay, the deal with the "new ep" is that, according to the producer Davis Doi and Glenn Leopold, it was made somewhere halfway through the production of the second season, and was evidently intended to launch season two at one point. Christian Tremblay _did_ know about it, but said "he wasn't that proud of it", for what it's worth. I think we can expect it to form part of the syndication package from now on. Spoke to someone last night who told me to watch out for the scene where Jake and Chance evidently attack Mutilor's ship with their pickup truck (?!), and Ann Gora says something ridiculous like "captured on film by a passing tourist" or similar - must have been some amateur videographer to get shots from the front, the back, and the inside of the truck as it was speeding towards the ship, huh? The general opinion seems to be that the compilation thingy insulted the viewer intelligence to a degree, even the 6-11 set. Quote of the day from Lance Falk concerning DarkKat's motivation: "Dark Kat doesn't want money; he wants to be _on_ money!" I like the way this guy's mind works. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 11:01:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA16420 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 10:52:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 95 09:45:12 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505241445.AA20895@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Spoke to >someone last night who told me to watch out for the scene where Jake and >Chance evidently attack Mutilor's ship with their pickup truck (?!), and >Ann Gora says something ridiculous like "captured on film by a passing >tourist" or similar - must have been some amateur videographer to get >shots from the front, the back, and the inside of the truck as it was >speeding towards the ship, huh? Noticed this too, though it was some fine amateur work myself. Definitely an insult, but it did have it's moments, as mentioned earlier, the interaction between the guyz was good. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 14:59:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA19203 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 14:44:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9505241843.AA02195@cisk> Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 24 May 95 11:43:53 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Andy Hill" at May 24, 95 06:44:12 am From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 980 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > Spoke to someone last night who told me to watch out for the scene > where Jake and Chance evidently attack Mutilor's ship with their > pickup truck (?!), and Ann Gora says something ridiculous like > "captured on film by a passing tourist"... I remember this one, and my first thought was exactly the same thing: the videographer was definitely NO amateur to get the footage s/he did. But now that I think about it, another thought's just crossed my mind: what if the video footage was taken by the SWAT Kats themselves, but submitted to Kat's-Eye News as an 'anonymous videography'? Yeah, it's quite a bit of a stretch, but it *is* possible... It looks like the general consensus is that the episode was the worst one of the series, poorly put together and nowhere near the caliber of the other episodes. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "We are having a *bad* vehicle day, buddy!" -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 15:29:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA19470 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 15:12:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 95 14:04:55 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505241904.AA23292@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >what if the video footage was taken by the SWAT Kats themselves, but >submitted to Kat's-Eye News as an 'anonymous videography'? Yeah, it's >quite a bit of a stretch, but it *is* possible... Stretch maybe.....but think of the possibilities!! The KatKam or KatmeraVision. No one could deny charges and if they did, they're on film. Yes, I realize typically half the town gets leveled, so Darkkat won't be denying anything, but...... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 17:29:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA21315 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 17:06:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 95 11:05:53 HST Message-Id: <9505242105.AA07144@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: higa@math.hawaii.edu (Jonathan Higa) Subject: camera work Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Not to mention the borrowed scene from "Mutation City": It was claimed to be taken recently by their very own cameraman. You will recall that part of that scene occurred underwater. A very determined cameraman indeed. Reminds me of The Critic's finale. Show 'em some more clips. They're both entertaining and economical. -- Jonathan Higa, higa@math.hawaii.edu From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 24 22:59:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA25246 for kats-ll; Wed, 24 May 1995 22:33:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:39:53 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199505250239.TAA20663@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: SWAT Kats fluff episode, or, May a Small Asteroid Hit Atlanta Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Path: news.infoserve.net!unix.infoserve.net!chance From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation Subject: Re: SWAT Kats fluff episode, or, May a Small Asteroid Hit Atlanta Date: 24 May 1995 13:46:54 GMT Organization: Infoserve Technology Ltd. Lines: 53 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3pvdce$43m@news.infoserve.net> References: <3priej$p4k@saba.info.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix.infoserve.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) wrote: : In article Rob Menke, : rmenke@netcom6.netcom.com writes: : >"SWAT Kats Special Report." Oh, man. That was painful. Well, now we : >know how H-B is going to fluff out the season to thirteen episodes. : This is probably the type of episode Ted Turner likes -- something that : has no real redeeming value, but only gives him more of an excuse to : cancel the series. : :-P'''''''''''' According to sources, the episode was created about halfway through the second season's production run, and was at one time intended to launch the second season in broadcast. As far as "an excuse to cancel the series" goes, I think the search still continues in Atlanta as we speak. : I think the ending actually did come from the ending of "Metal Urgency" : (no overdubbing, in other words) though I could be wrong. Yep, it did, and there was a problem with it's inclusion in this ep. Originally, the writer of "Metal Urgency", Lance Falk, was asked to have that scene take place in front of Ann Gora and the news cameras, but he vetoed the idea because it was supposed to be a very revealing scene on the nature of the Feral character without him having to be motivated by "being watched" by the media. The scene played _very_ well like this, and remains one of Lance's favourite sequences. When they re-used the footage from the "Metal Urgency" ep, they spliced in an unrelated shot of Callie Briggs "reacting", which corrupted the actual intent of the scene. : >In the words of Berkeley Breathed: "MASH was retired with more : >dignity than this..." : Unfortunately, if Hanna-Barbera (or Turner) wanted to retire the Kats, : they did so much less than gracefully. I thought the episode wasn't bad : *per se*, but it sure could have used a lot of improvement. An opinion shared by people on both sides of the TV screen. An outside producer/writer was brought in to do this "episode"; very strange behaviour on the part of the Turner org when they already had more than enough talent working on the program. The more you hear about the whole Turner/H-B/'KATS thing, the stranger it becomes - still, we've got the outsides of the puzzle completed, now we have to find someone who knows about the middle bits. *****Forwarded to the list becuz I know some guys and gals don't get the newsgroups****** -- _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." -- _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 09:40:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA28904 for kats-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 09:05:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 06:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: "Eat this, DarkKrud!" To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I just got a press-kit deal for Hudson Soft in the mail from Christian, and here's how the SNES game is described in this thing: SWATKATS FOR SUPER NES By day they're junkyard mechanics secretly inventing powerful "gadgets" to battle the villains of MegaKat City. When called into action they become the SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron daredevil pilots, protectors of all Kat-kind. Based on Hanna-Barbera's popular cartoon feline-superheroes, SWAT Kats Katapults gamers into a radical adventure to save MegaKat City from the likes of Doctor Viper, The Pastmaster, and all the Metallikats (ed: _all_ the Metallikats? M+M must've been busy...). Cutting-edge animation in an adventure-driven, action-packed game design will surely lure hardcore Kat-fanatics to this ultra-popular license. =========================================================================== "hardcore Kat-fanatics"? Someone's been talking to my psychiatrist again. There are a few colour panels from the game itself, which actually look pretty darned good, and it appears that if you buy the game, you get a five dollar mail-in rebate (same goes for the videos). Humorous note: I'd mentioned to Christian that my mail has been horribly slow, so on the outside of the envelope he sketched T-Bone in a "don't mess with me" pose, with a bubble of dialogue that reads: "Hey Postman! Don't mess with this package to Andy or I'll come over and kick your butt!" Heh. Wonder what the USPS thought of that, huh? "Nickleodeon" magazine (?) is supposed to have a write-up on the game, if any of you have any clue as to where this rag can be located. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 10:59:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA01259 for kats-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 10:48:33 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fc498a35963002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 25 May 95 09:48:03 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... Content-Length: 573 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Dana Uehara wrote: >It looks like the general consensus is that the episode was the worst >one of the series, poorly put together and nowhere near the caliber >of the other episodes. Speak for yourself! Any time we get a 'new' SWAT KATS episode is a reason to celebrate. Besides, it was about time that they did a run-down on both the characters _and_ the hardware. Granted, it was a "cheater" episode, but what series doesn't have at least one or two of those? It was a nice enough surprise, given the fact that we all thought we'd seen the last new KATS episodes. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 13:29:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA02638 for kats-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 13:09:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... In-Reply-To: <2fc498a35963002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 25 May 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > It was a nice enough surprise, given the fact that > we all thought we'd seen the last new KATS episodes. I haven't seen every KATS episode. I wish I had though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu May 25 14:31:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA03720 for kats-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 14:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9505251810.AA14953@cisk> Subject: Re: "Eat this, DarkKrud!" To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 25 May 95 11:10:24 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Andy Hill" at May 25, 95 06:12:18 am From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1604 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > I just got a press-kit deal for Hudson Soft in the mail from > Christian, and here's how the SNES game is described in this thing: [info deleted] I have the same brochure (a friend picked it up and showed it to me a little over a week ago). If anyone's interested, I'll have it scanned and put on the ftp site (it may take a few days since I'll have to mail the brochure to someone that has a scanner). BTW, if you want to put something on the ftp site, you can either tell Paul or me since we both have access to the site (thanks Paul!). I've also found it to be a real kick that the site's been named 'pumadyne' (appropriately enough)... While netsurfing yesterday, I came across a few pix of the SWAT Kats from the issue of _Toon Magazine_ that someone had posted to alt.binaries.pictures.cartoons. I'll go ahead and put them up on the ftp site. > There are a few colour panels from the game itself, which actually look > pretty darned good, and it appears that if you buy the game, you get a > five dollar mail-in rebate (same goes for the videos). Side note: the poses they have of T-Bone and Razor (T-Bone standing, Razor somewhat crouching -- different poses than the poster) are the same poses that they have in one of the promo pix that's available on pumadyne (I think it's poster2.jpg, but I'm not sure). It's also the same pic that appeared in the _Comics Scene_ article about the series' cancellation. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 00:01:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA10368 for kats-ll; Thu, 25 May 1995 23:38:29 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 23:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQXS8Q3Y5U93P6X6@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com Affirmative!!! Any new eps no matter how good or bad are always good no matter what. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 00:31:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA10694 for kats-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 00:18:58 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 00:18:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199505260418.AAA14496@unix5.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Any new eps no matter how good or bad are always good no matter what. >wkoziol@delphi.com errrr....I tend to disagree. Yes, it is a good sign to see a new episode, I suppose. But what good is it if that episode positively stinks? It's bound to create a bad impression, and any such bad impressions can always be pointed to and used as excuses to can the series. Yes? And I'm sorry. That episode was bad. I don't care if it was new. It should never have been made. I would rather have watched "Highlander II" in a movie theater filled with wailing infants. OK. It wasn't THAT bad. But it certainly left me underwhelmed. ---- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Staff Troglodyte Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 08:59:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA13479 for kats-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 08:46:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 95 07:38:43 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9505261238.AA15295@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Dr. Conway said- errrr....I tend to disagree. Yes, it is a good sign to see a new episode, I suppose. But what good is it if that episode positively stinks? It's bound to create a bad impression, and any such bad impressions can always be pointed to and used as excuses to can the series. Yes? ____________________________________ I would have to agree with this comment, if an individual, especially an adult (because of the poor transitions) was watching SK for the first time this weekend. I would venture to guess they would flip to it watch about 5 min., and continue surfing the channels. More than likely, if they flip passed TBS this weekend, they wouldn't stop if the Kats were on, because of it. First impressions weigh heavy in this society, especially in the fickle TV market. If this episode has been sitting on a shelf since the start of the second season, maybe Ted had been gunning for the show for longer than I thought, and suggested they put together a show that could essentially ruin the second season. Think about it, after a very good first season, imagine what r.a.a.(among other places) would have looked like after this episode started off this years season. "Swatkats off and flopping", "Swatkats suck, what do you people see in them", negative headings abound....it's unfortuanate, but it's the way we work here in the good ol' US. Ian Lynn episodes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 10:00:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA14385 for kats-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 09:59:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 07:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: "New" episode isn't so new... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9505261238.AA15295@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 26 May 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Dr. Conway said- > > errrr....I tend to disagree. Yes, it is a good sign to see a new > episode, I suppose. But what good is it if that episode positively > stinks? It's bound to create a bad impression, and any such bad > impressions can always be pointed to and used as excuses to can the > series. Yes? > ____________________________________ The really strange thing here is, that on r.a.a. and a lot of folks on the list, most viewers were happy to see _anything_ new, which I suspect just underscores our point of view as opposed to giving Ted any more cancellation ammunition. Ted seems to be the master of unilateral, (witness the go ahead given for "Planet" despite sound advice) and to my knowledge has never gone out of his way to provide/create reasons for what he does, it's simply the wonderfully megalomaniac attitude of "I did it, therefore it's right". > I would have to agree with this comment, if an individual, especially an adult > (because of the poor transitions) was watching SK for the first time this > weekend. I would venture to guess they would flip to it watch about 5 min., > and continue surfing the channels. More than likely, if they flip passed TBS > this weekend, they wouldn't stop if the Kats were on, because of it. Honestly, I never thought of this aspect whatsoever, but you're exactly right. Doesn't it become obvious with this ep that they still don't quite understand the mean age demo of the audience? They may have gotten away with the ep in the low end of the 6-11 kiddie demographic, but the rest of us realized a lot of stuff was cobbled together out of context, and didn't preserve the "spirit" of the bits in relation to the stories they were cribbed from (i.e. Falk's Feral/Metallikats scene from "Metal Urgency"). I would hate to think what impression this ep would leave on a potential new viewer who hadn't seen any of the other eps. > First impressions weigh heavy in this society, especially in the fickle > TV market. If this episode has been sitting on a shelf since the start of > the second season, maybe Ted had been gunning for the show for longer than > I thought, and suggested they put together a show that could essentially ruin > the second season. Think about it, after a very good first season, imagine > what r.a.a.(among other places) would have looked like after this episode > started off this years season. "Swatkats off and flopping", "Swatkats suck, what > do you people see in them", negative headings abound....it's unfortuanate, > but it's the way we work here in the good ol' US. I think that you nailed why this _wasn't_ shown as intended; most of the creative folks likely thought as you did. I strongly believe that this was only taken down from the shelf and dusted off specifically because someone perceived a demand for something new, and H-B had nothing to offer. Lately, a lot of things appear to be pointing towards some kind of thaw, but I hate to be too optimistic at this point given Turner's track record to date, and Seibert's complete lack of responsiveness to both the Tremblays and fans both. (Christian calls him something like 15 times a day if he _really_ wants to get hold of him - I like it, persistence worthy of a 'KAT). Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 23:00:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA22815 for kats-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:36:15 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 22:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQZ4DMROC89DG63L@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Sorry pal, it won't fly cause you will be concentrating on the new hero than the SWAT Kats. Its their movie and it should be them only with the help of ... If Razor and T-Bone are not the main characters in the movie then forget it. Besides, it will take more time in establishing a new character and if they If new supporting characters on the good-guy side are introduced here, the emphasis _must_ remain on the 'KAT guys, and such a new character's only real purpose is to assist the development of the story, not to focus it on other than the SwatKats. Whoa! Sorry for the confusion on my post! If you've seen the X-Files, Mulder's un-named helper is seen very little and is used mostly for plot enhancement, *not* as another main character. The closest _current_ character in SK that I can think of is the Sergeant who is occasionally seen reporting to Feral. (Amazing how the Sgt.'s voice sounds so much like Robert Stack of Unsolved Mysteries.) Ya know, now that I think about what I'm typing here, I'm describing exactly what Callie does! ( hitting my forehead.) >However I do agree with you about a new badguy How about a new baddie from a different part of the planet? The focus is on such a small area (MegaKat City). I assume that katkind has covered the globe (i.e. the "Siamese" investors that Manx is always trying to woo into leasing office space). Maybe I'm stereotyping, but they appear to be "asian" to me (by the way where does Katsui TVs come from?) That's my $0.02 worth. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 23:01:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA22887 for kats-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 22:42:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 19:43:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: 'KAT fan as well as thief with good taste... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Turner should have been taking notes when something happened a bit on the illegal side which was more telling than any H-B cartoon popularity poll could've. Seems that there are a number of huge banners outside H-B featuring all of the characters through the ages, up to and including the SwatKats - until recently, that is. Some enterprising soul walked right by all the other ones, and stole only the one for "SwatKats"! This is one dedicated 'KATS fan, these things are apparently as big as the side of a building, and have got to weigh quite a bit to boot - this dude must've wanted it _badly_. I suppose this is what happens when "people weren't buying enough merchandise" - they simply steal it; at least they know where to lay their mitts on at least one "licensed" product! Secondly, one good thing about doubling the national debt with your long distance bill is that you get the perspective on the animation world from quite a few different points of view. Guess what? There are a _lot_ of people that really like 'KATS out there, but we only get to hear the ones with Internet access. I've got some ideas for advertising the existence of the Internet fan group, and perhaps even "Katatonic" and the "unofficial-soon-perhaps-to-be-official" fan club, but I want to make sure I won't be treading on H-B's toes first. Of course, there's always the "money" aspect as well - we'll see. BTW, someone was looking into creating a 'KATS newsgroup - where'd we get to with that? _________________________________________________________________________ "I'm a profiteer, you can be one too - working on _this_ show is the thing to do!" (with apologies to the "Captain Planet Singers" From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri May 26 23:30:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA23116 for kats-ll; Fri, 26 May 1995 23:18:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9505270318.AA05148@cisk> Subject: Re: 'KAT fan as well as thief with good taste... To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 26 May 95 20:18:50 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Andy Hill" at May 26, 95 07:43:48 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1810 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > Seems that there are a number of huge banners outside H-B featuring > all of the characters through the ages, up to and including the > SwatKats - until recently, that is. Some enterprising soul walked > right by all the other ones, and stole only the one for "SwatKats"! Okay, Walt, why'd you take the banner? Give it back! ;-) Seriously, though, this sounds like one person who definitely couldn't wait until July... > Guess what? There are a _lot_ of people that really like 'KATS out > there, but we only get to hear the ones with Internet access. I'm not surprised. I've talked to a couple of people that I've met (through friends) who like the 'Kats, but don't have internet or email access. I've advertised the up-and-coming fan club in the next issue of "In-Fur- Nation," which is the ConFurence newsletter. For those of you who don't know what ConFurence is, it's a convention themed on anthropomorphics, or any animal endowed with human qualities (the ability to stand upright, talk, etc). The generic term is "furries" (if you can, read alt.fan.furry for details). I also believe the mailing list will be advertised in the next issue of In-Fur-Nation, but I may have to double-check that. > BTW, someone was looking into creating a 'KATS newsgroup - where'd > we get to with that? I'd like to know about this, too. There's nothing so far, and I'd like to create one, only I don't know how (and I don't think I have enough access privileges to do so). BTW: check out the FTP site if you can. We've got quite a bit of new pix on there (and it's possible we may get some "sound bites" on the site later on). -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 01:00:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA23602 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:49:43 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 'KAT fan as well as thief with good taste... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQZ8YZJMEM9N449T@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: As for me being a thief, well, I must be one hellava good one cause even I didn't know that I swiped one. Man!!! If I'm this good then may-be I should run against Mayor Manx for Mayor. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 01:04:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA23567 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:46:59 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 'KAT fan as well as thief with good taste... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQZ8MUD0549N449T@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: If you want a newsletter I can do one for the time being but you guys have to help out here. I have the means to do it. All you need to do is write up a story or give me the information and I can do it up in my DTP and then go to a printer and print them out. Now here is the catch, the free time I don't mind, but as for the costs of the paper, ink, and of course the cost of mass producing these newsletters at a near by printers office, and of course mailing them out. I figure 5 bucks will cover all the costs on everything but let me check around to findbest printer to do the best job at a lowest price. If you are interested in doing this then leave me messages on here or email. Its up to you and how bad you want it. wkoziol@delphi.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 01:06:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA23531 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 00:35:03 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 00:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 'KAT fan as well as thief with good taste... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HQZ81Y839E9N449T@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The SWAT Kats newsletter will be hopefully comming along once I can get a hold of this one guy at HB. Its amazing how Andy does it. The thing is I want to get "The Unofficial SWAT Kats Fan Club" into being "The Official SWAT Kats Fan Club." But first I have to get HB permission for it, and of course, I need to get a hold of that guy at HB. Once this club becomes official, (I hope!!!) there will be more stuff to follow as well. (I hope!!!) So, please be paitient, the good things will come to those who wait. (I hope!!!) For those who want to join "The Unofficial SWAT Kats Fan Club" please leave me your real name and your snail mail address. These will be kept private. Besides, the price of postage these days I won't be waisting my money on chain letters or something like that. Also, send your email address to Dana. Once you give me your real name and snail mail address and give your email address to Dana your in for free. If we become official and there is a membership fee, you will have the option to become official yourself or don't pay it and keep doing what you have been doing on here. For those new commers that just got on here, I am trying to get "The Unofficial SWAT Kats Fan Club" to become official. If I can get that, Dana and I will be working very closely with the people of HB. Who knows, If things become big enough there might be a SWAT Kats Convention or something like that. Okay, so I plan big, may-be I'm getting waaaaaay ahead of myself here. So so me for thinking big!!! :) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 12:30:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA26343 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 12:23:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQZ4DMROC89DG63L@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 26 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > Whoa! Sorry for the confusion on my post! If you've seen the > X-Files, > Mulder's un-named helper is seen very little and is used mostly for > plot > enhancement, *not* as another main character. The closest _current_ > character in SK that I can think of is the Sergeant who is > occasionally > seen reporting to Feral. (Amazing how the Sgt.'s voice sounds so Wow. This is spookier that "spooky Fox" himself. A combination of X-Files "Ice Pick" and a variation of this Sergeant-dude was _exactly_ what I had in mind when I suggested the extra character! > Ya know, now that I think about what I'm typing here, I'm describing > exactly what Callie does! ( hitting my forehead.) This was brought out by someone I talked to on the phone when I outlined my new character, but I don't think it's necessarily true - Callie certainly has her eyes on the "big picture", but I wanted the new character to have a kind of "nuts and bolts" perspective from inside the Enforcers, but high enough up in the ranks to have the occasion to report directly to Feral. > How about a new baddie from a different part of the planet? The > focus > is on such a small area (MegaKat City). I assume that katkind has > covered > the globe (i.e. the "Siamese" investors that Manx is always trying > to > woo into leasing office space). Maybe I'm stereotyping, but they > appear > to be "asian" to me (by the way where does Katsui TVs come from?) Oh yeah, the investors are _certainly_ asian, but it's just a general dig at the Sony's and Matsushita's of the world on their buying spree for American real estate and entertainment properties. We haven't really seen anything outside of MegaKat City, but the investors and the accent of "Turmoil" open the door for a wider game-board. "Katsui TV" only exists in the fanfic and my imagination, it doesn't come from anywhere official, although I had the Siamese 'KAT-investors in clear view when I came up with it. Movie ideas? Kevin Knoles' scene with DarkKat grappling with a seriously nasty invisible entity was outstanding - as was the device with Razor firing misiles at it and hitting the building instead. You could have Razor catch the glimpse of the entity mentioned, then react out of some deep-seated "sixth sense" that the entity was indeed truly horrible on some almost unconscious level, then have him in a further scene try to explain the feeling. It'd work, and it would be quite cool. The only problem with using the "invisible" new character in a 'KATS movie is that producers generally like to see a very "visual" type of bad-guy, if the central plot is to center around conflict with it. I _really_ like this idea, and since Kevin is off the 'net for the summer, I'll write him and say so. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 13:00:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA26440 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 12:35:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: 'KAT fan as well as thief with good taste... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HQZ8MUD0549N449T@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 27 May 1995 WKOZIOL@delphi.com wrote: > If you want a newsletter I can do one for the time being but you guys have to > help out here. I have the means to do it. All you need to do is write up a > story or give me the information and I can do it up in my DTP and then go to a Timothy Fay and co. have come up with "Katatonic" which would seem to duplicate pretty much what Walt suggested, and they're already in an advanced stage of publication (first ish for release at some Texas con, I believe). For now, I'd strongly suggest supporting this in terms of submissions etc. The author of the "Animato!" article on the 'KAT guys is getting in touch with Mr. Fay, and I plan on submitting a thing or two myself. If we could somehow work out a way to also distribute this through the list of people Walt has assembled, things would hum along nicely. Cash flow is the problem, though. I _personally_ would like to send everyone a sticker or poster or something along with the first issue of the mag, but I've invested all my millions in my phone bill. H-B is still evidently in a bit of a mess with the whole "fan" deal, but I'm hoping to get an indication of what _they_ want to do, and whether or not they'd be willing to support us in any fashion. The _SwatKats_ newsgroup creation is _very_ important, but it will certainly not eclipse the list, it'll just give some of the information on-ramp people a place to look when they're scanning for newsgroups catering to shows they like. Turner knows we're going to create it, and their organization will be watching for it (they already read _everything_ posted to rec.arts.animation). Felix Lee offered to help create it, but if he's as busy as most of us are, someone let me know and I'll attempt it through some folks I know. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 13:35:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA26643 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 13:04:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 10:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: This poster is _way_ cool... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: If people are wondering what the famous-though-impossible-to-find poster looks like, it's really cool. I have a _lot_ of posters, and this easily ranks among the best I've ever seen. Not only do the 'KAT guys look really great (same pic as in "SwatKats.jpg" on the netcom.com site) but the layout of the poster is outstanding. They maintained the same kind of background colour scheme that exists throughout the second season (yellow-to-green wash), and it has the "SwatKats" logo on top. The best thing about the whole deal is that the manufacturer of the things is about 120 miles away from me...I'm going to see if I can get a bulk price for a small order, and maybe offer them to the snail-mail fans on Walt's list at cost (or even in 'Katatonic' ?). Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 21:30:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA29402 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 21:04:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 01:04:42 GMT Message-Id: <199505280104.AA36431@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) Subject: Sex and nudity in cartoons and comics Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I know this is a little off topic....but in concerns me: (The Following of what i am about to say is in my own opinion) I walked into a comic store today and i looked at a adult comic book. The person working there asked what age i was and i said i was 16. He told me if i did that again i would be kicked out of the store. One Question: Even though i looked at the comic and never had an intenion in buying it should you can the person out of the shop for that? Matthew Milam (Mcshade) Swat Kats: The Radical Squardon. Please try and save this show for anyone who watches it. Fans sign up for THe Swat Kats Mailing list: To subscribe send a message to: Majordomo@lists.mv.net and type subscribe kats From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat May 27 22:30:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA29786 for kats-ll; Sat, 27 May 1995 22:19:57 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fc7ddb318f1002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Sat, 27 May 95 21:19:31 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Sex and nudity in cartoons and comics Content-Length: 936 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >I walked into a comic store today and i looked at a adult comic book. >The person working there asked what age i was and i said i was 16. He told >me if i did that again i would be kicked out of the store. >One Question: Even though i looked at the comic and never had an intenion >in buying it should you can the person out of the shop for that? The answer, I'm afraid, is yes. It's against the law for retailers to allow minors to view any "adult" material, regarless of whether or not you intend to buy it (which is also illegal). The store owner and employees could lose their store, get fined, or even go to jail. Given the current political climate, fostered by the likes of Jesse Helms and other right- wingers, I can understand why the clerk would have come down on you so hard. However, the retailer _should_ keep all their "adult" material behind the counter. That way they wouldn't have to threaten to can anyone. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 02:00:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA03124 for kats-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 01:39:50 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 01:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 'KAT fan as well as thief with good taste... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HR0P14DMB693R7M9@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com If you need any help in getting information of people or any other stuff for that matter, don't hesitate in leaving me email. I will be more than happy to help out in whatever way I can. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 02:04:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA03157 for kats-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 01:43:53 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 01:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: This poster is _way_ cool... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HR0P4GOJJS93R7M9@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com That would be really great!!!!!! The list I have isn't that big yet but its growing. As for those who have friends that love the show but don't have email, you can act as mediator and have them join. If we all work together then we can definitly build the list larger and faster. It will take team work but I know we can accomplish anything once we set our minds to it. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 02:05:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA03197 for kats-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 01:49:22 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 01:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Sex and nudity in cartoons and comics To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HR0P8NWXOU93R7M9@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com You got to look at it this way, if you are not 18 and looking at that stuff, the guy (if he's an enployee) or the owner can loose his business because of what you did. I know in my state they frown upon these sex commics and other stuff. To me its just a business and they should be left alone. You know, to each his own. In most states you have to be at least 18 to look at that stuff. If thats the case, either the employee was trying to protect his job cause he proably loves it, or if its the owner, he is trying to keep his business. If they ever get caught, the owner can loose his license permaintly. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun May 28 12:00:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA04937 for kats-ll; Sun, 28 May 1995 11:42:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Mr. Seibert, line one - it's Chairman Turner... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Just a note for folks who may have been hearing stuff on Furtoonia. Um, it seems that someone with a nick I don't recognize posted that they "heard from someone who knows the Tremblays that 'KATS has been renewed". BZZZZZT!, but thanx for playing....no such luck. If _anything_ like that happens, either myself or Michael Hirtes (uferal@aol.com) will hear about it before anyone in Fur-ville, and the list well hear about it immediately afterwards (not to mention about 100 newsgroups I can think of - only kidding, r.a.d. fans). I just sent a registered letter to Fred Seibert, H-B's prez, with a synopsis of all the comments I've heard everyone make here and in the newsgroups concerning 'KATS, Planet, and the WPT's - also what we'd like to see happen with the program. I wasn't nasty, but I was very direct - here's an excerpt: "The show did very well _despite_ being aired at 4:35 am Pacific Standard time. It "didn't make money in broadcast"? Do you think maybe it's because half the country was still asleep? What kind of sponsors did Turner expect to get in a timeslot reserved for infomercials and "Hogan's Heroes" reruns?" I also outlined what people expected from a movie, how many of us are also TMNT fans for the same reasons as we are 'KAT fans (and look how much stuff TMNT sold), and detailed how successful the mailing list is, especially considering that there wasn't any advertising involved. I told Seibert about Matt W's hard work with the posters, Walt and Dana's fan club efforts, the Animato article and all the other stuff: "Most studios can't _buy_ that kind of product/fan loyalty, and you guys have it almost in spite of yourselves." I'm going to wait for a reply for a reasonable lenght of time, then copies go to Seibert's bosses in Atlanta. If he's ditching his mail, it better be a damn deep ditch, he may need to take cover when Atlanta yells "incoming". Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 29 19:31:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA16951 for kats-ll; Mon, 29 May 1995 19:12:06 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HR344LSSYQ9JKOGX@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > "Katsui TV" only exists in the fanfic and my imagination, it >doesn't come from anywhere official, although I had the Siamese >'KAT-investors in clear view when I came up with it. Ya know, I thought for sure that I caught a "Katsui" or some brand-name reference on a television that Jake & Chance were watching once -- can't recall what the ep. was... > Wow. This is spookier that "spooky Fox" himself. A >combination of X-Files "Ice Pick" and a variation of this >Sergeant-dude was _exactly_ what I had in mind when I suggested >the extra character! Well, you know what they say: Great minds think alike! Has there ever been a mention of the Sgts. name? I can't recall if Feral has ever referred to him as anything but "Sergeant". -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon May 29 22:30:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA17903 for kats-ll; Mon, 29 May 1995 22:09:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Movie To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HR344LSSYQ9JKOGX@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 29 May 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > > > Wow. This is spookier that "spooky Fox" himself. A > >combination of X-Files "Ice Pick" and a variation of this > >Sergeant-dude was _exactly_ what I had in mind when I suggested > >the extra character! > > Well, you know what they say: Great minds think alike! > Has there ever been a mention of the Sgts. name? I can't recall if > Feral has ever referred to him as anything but "Sergeant". Actually, aside from Felina and Lt. Steel, I don't think that there have been any other Enforcers named. I suppose "Talon" and his partner from "Chaos in Crystal" don't count, (as they technically worked for Warden Meese) but I haven't seen all the eps yet - and there may be others. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 30 22:00:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA01601 for kats-ll; Tue, 30 May 1995 21:53:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Jim Stenstrum has left the building... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I got a phone call last night, and Jim Stenstrum ('KATS design team member and story writer) quit Hanna-Barbera. He called Lance Falk and basically said "I only hung around as long as I did because of Davis" ; as in Davis Doi - the producer, who everyone evidently has a very high opinion of. Lance also dismissed the Furtoonia rumour of the phantom 'KATS renewal as "bullsh**", saying that "if something like that occurred, Davis would be on the phone to me in a flash". I talked to Christian Tremblay last night as well, and he said just about the same thing. I don't know where Jim will land, but he'll undoubtedly lend any new project the same talent he gave to the 'KATS. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue May 30 22:30:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA01803 for kats-ll; Tue, 30 May 1995 22:04:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 02:04:19 GMT Message-Id: <199505310204.AA119552@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) Subject: Swat Kats change your life... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I want to ask you guys something... Do you think that these cartoons even "Swat Kats" can change the lives of people in the world? I just want to know since my dad seems to detest everything to television Swat Kats: The Radical Squardon. Please try and save this show for anyone who watches it. Fans sign up for THe Swat Kats Mailing list: To subscribe send a message to: Majordomo@lists.mv.net and type subscribe kats From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 12:20:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA00209 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:18:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:18:48 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505311618.MAA00201@sard.mv.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: another test Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: testing... mailing lists were messed up. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 12:43:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA00209 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:18:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:18:48 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505311618.MAA00201@sard.mv.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: another test Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: testing... mailing lists were messed up. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 13:05:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA00209 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 12:18:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:18:48 -0400 From: Ratman Message-Id: <199505311618.MAA00201@sard.mv.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: another test Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: testing... mailing lists were messed up. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 15:48:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA00611 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:33:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:32:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:56:29 -0400 From: Fernando Ramos To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: another test RA> testing... mailing lists were messed up. heh... I gotcha! HEY! Quick question... has anyone ever seen any OTHER anthropomomorphs in Megakat City other than kats? Just a curious trivial question. I never really thought about it till now. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 16:07:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA00611 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:33:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:32:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:56:29 -0400 From: Fernando Ramos To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: another test RA> testing... mailing lists were messed up. heh... I gotcha! HEY! Quick question... has anyone ever seen any OTHER anthropomomorphs in Megakat City other than kats? Just a curious trivial question. I never really thought about it till now. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 16:29:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA00527 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:30:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: i think we are ok now. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: had to turn off the cache on the mailing list machine. things are much slower, but it seemed to fix it. now to find out the real cause...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 16:31:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA00723 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 15:43:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:42:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Swat Kats change your life... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: not sure what did it, but the who machine that does the mailing list was in an unstable state. Programs were crashing constantly, and we finally had to just reboot it. Then it kept acting up, and I think we got it now. had to turn the cache off. Anyway, here's a message that was a victim of this (sorry Andy!).... --------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 06:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Swat Kats change your life... On Wed, 31 May 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: > I want to ask you guys something... > > Do you think that these cartoons even "Swat Kats" can change the lives of > people > in the world? > > I just want to know since my dad seems to detest everything to television > Swat Kats: The Radical Squardon. Hmm...you generally keep tuning into a show because you like the characters in it, and you may even like them to the point you either consciously or unconsciously emulate them or aspects of them to a degree. In this respect, perhaps they can "change your life" by adding something to the mix. In my case, and this is going to sound incredibly lame, the characters "work" to the point where they end up being added to the list of personalities that make up "friends" you know - no blurring of the lines of reality in this case - it's just that the same things I like about the TMNT and SwatKats I also appreciate in three-dimensional friends. Do you know how you can tell that the characters have become more than just pretty colours going by in a show? You read someone's fanfic or something and catch yourself saying "...(character) wouldn't do that...no, that's wrong" or similar. Just as something seems very obviously out of character with someone you've known for quite a while, so too with characters like the 'KATS. In another respect, I find most television really shallow, and I wouldn't give most of it the time of day, but hearing a couple of months ago about the cancellation kind of set off major alarm bells in my mind incessantly ringing "this is wrong". Regardless of what the better parenting guides say, kids need heroes/role models, and will look for them whether or not teachers/parents want them too or not. T-Bone and Razor are great ones, and I was going to try and do anything I could to make sure they'd stick around for people that viewed them in this light. I've devoted hours to hassling Ted's boys, so perhaps in this respect I've had my life-course altered (plus the fact that I'm an animation fan, and anything this good belongs on the air, not on the shelf). A lot of us are mid twenties/thirties etc, and we are basically the first generation to grow up with cartoons as part of what makes us who we are. The earlier generation, especially if they immigrated from overseas in the 60's, don't generally have much appreciation for toons becuase it was drummed into their parental heads during the 70's that "cartoons are for kids". Well, that's nonsense. There are _very_ intelligent people that watch cartoons like 'KATS (Harlan Ellison, apparently), and I think you'll find that most adults who dismiss the entire genre as "crap" or similar flick the channel and land on "Married with Children", which is about the biggest irony I can imagine. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed May 31 18:05:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA01392 for kats-ll; Wed, 31 May 1995 17:51:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9505312151.AA22872@cisk> Subject: Re: Swat Kats change your life... To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Wed, 31 May 95 14:51:23 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 2781 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > From: Andy Hill > To: kats@sard.mv.net > Subject: Re: Swat Kats change your life... > > Hmm...you generally keep tuning into a show because you like the > characters in it, and you may even like them to the point you either > consciously or unconsciously emulate them or aspects of them to a > degree. Agreed. As I've told a few people, I tend to emulate Razor quite a bit, almost to the point where he's becoming a "personal furry" -- a character who is essentially me (in terms of personality). I generally like characters that I can either identify with or relate to, (i.e., Razor)... and I've even been told on occasion that I *look* like Razor (;-). But as Andy has mentioned, this can apply to any show, not just SWAT Kats (for example, Raphael's my favorite TMNT character). > Just as something seems very obviously out of character with someone > you've known for quite a while, so too with characters like the 'KATS. A friend once told me jokingly that "you know you've been mucking too long when you see T-Bone and Razor [on TV] and feel like you know them personally." After roleplaying Razor for almost a year and a half I'm starting to feel as though I've become part of him, so to speak (or that he's become part of me). > The earlier generation, especially if they immigrated from overseas > in the 60's, don't generally have much appreciation for toons becuase it > was drummed into their parental heads during the 70's that "cartoons are > for kids". Well, that's nonsense. This is something I should put in the FAQ. It's an ongoing debate that sometimes pops up in rec.arts.animation and it's the pet peeve of another mailing list that I'm on (the Disney Afternoon mailing list). Even the creators of the old Warner Bros. cartoons (i.e., the Termite Terrace guys) once said that the cartoons they made "were never intended for kids [but more for themselves]". > There are _very_ intelligent people that watch cartoons like 'KATS > (Harlan Ellison, apparently), and I think you'll find that most > adults who dismiss the entire genre as "crap" or similar flick the > channel and land on "Married with Children", which is about the > biggest irony I can imagine. There's something else ironic about this comment, and I know it's already been brought up once on the list... and that's Jake's taste in TV versus Chance's taste in TV. Chance likes the Tex Avery-ish "Scaredy Kat," while Jake says, "*some* Kats have higher standards"... and then promptly puts on David Litterbin. In a sense, I think SK is poking fun at this very notion by that comment. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor