sonic Friday, 5 May 1995 Volume 01 : Number 003
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From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" <acme_at_use.usit.net>
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:25:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: college
On Tue, 2 May 1995, Ratman wrote:
> are most of you guys at college?
Not me anymore. I got a BS degree in audio technology in 1991 at Middle
Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro (~30mi SE of Nashville).
I've not done an actual count, but I think there are quite a few .edu
addresses in the subscriber database. That and .com are probably the
most prevalent.
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From: "Wallis, Mike" <Wallis_at_segaoa.com>
Date: Wed, 03 May 95 17:45:00 PDT
Subject: Re: Sonic character info
Okay, okay... I've had this e-mail sitting in my mailbox for quite some time
now, so I'd better respond to it... Work has been keeping me busy lately.
[regarding the Sonic Bibles]
>Any chance of us poor plebes getting our hands on copies of these? I'd
>gladly pay duplication costs or what have you...
Ummm... I don't know. The Style Guide is available through our licensing
department, but it's not cheap (I've heard $100). I suppose I could run it
through a photocopier for you guys, but the licensing group wouldn't like
that...
>> Hope you enjoyed it! I'll post info on Robotnik and Tails in a few days.
>Oooh, I wanna see! I wanna see! Tails is so happy fun, and Mr. R is
>grossly underestimated...
Well, I've been kinda busy lately... Sorry. I'm trying to get Comix Zone (a
new interactive comic book fighting game) released.
Now where did I put that info on Tails... I'm going to have to look for it.
Hopefully soon... Grrrr... :)
>Got anything on Knuckles, pray tell?
Just artwork (one of the model sheet picts I scanned and put up on the FTP
site) right now. Hopefully they'll write something up soon... Same with
Sally---just artwork.
-Mike
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From: av643_at_Freenet.HSC.Colorado.EDU (Dan Ramos)
Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 19:53:56 -0600
Subject: Re: Am I at College?
OH! BTW, guys.. I bought a SLEW of these for RooCon3
(a small furry gathering locally) and thught mebbe the rest of ya
should know about 'em:
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG BUBBLE GUM (in a small Game Gear shaped container)
The packaging on this is VERY much like a miniature game gear (cross-
pad on the left, two buttons on right and START button above those
two). Inside, it contains FIVE large (2.5" x 1.5") rectangle soft
bubblegum pieces and FIVE Sonic Game Gear game trading cards. They
seem to go for $0.99 everywhere I've bought them.
NET WT 1.05OZ., 30g
Distributed by: Amurol Confections Co., Yorkville, IL 60560 USA
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From: Ron Bauerle <BAUERLE_at_engr.erie.ge.com>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 8:35:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Sally's tail, was Re: college
>Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:46:14 -0400
>From: aa2043_at_freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas)
Hope you don't mind the CC to both the Sonic list and my own little
distribution; your last comment ought to provoke a nice
flamewar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion :^)
>I was under the impression that Sally was a ground squirrel, who
>do not need the long, bushy tails of their tree dwelling cousins
>for balance. Hence their tails are rather short...almost bobbed.
Except I remember seeing a Discovery Channel documentary or something on
them, and their tails certainly weren't as short as Sally's... Maybe
there's variation in ground squirrels or some junk...
>>> By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is
>>> just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :)
>All toons have detachable tails. Didn't you know that? :-)
Examples? :^) (Wild takes don't count :^)) I don't remember seeing this
on TTA, or even Bonkers (except maybe for Fall-apart Rabbit...)
>And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm
>rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic,
>who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions
>of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-)
I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^)
Ron
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From: cosmo_at_Castle.net
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 09:39:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: A new lurker writes
>From: Ron Bauerle <BAUERLE_at_engr.erie.ge.com>
and
>>From: aa2043_at_freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas)
wrote
>>And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm
>>rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic,
>>who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions
>>of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-)
>I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^)
I have to agree here, I never did care for Sonic's personality. He's the
'Star' or 'Hero' in name only. What does he have going for him? Just
Speed and a lot of luck. Sally has all the leadership skills and the
brains (for plot reasons the TV show would give Sonic brief flashes of
insight, but they never really 'fit' Sonic)
What the problem is, Sonic's is too limited by the 'personality' that
SEGA created for the video game. Fast, blue, who 'stretched' his
personality by tapping his shoe waiting for the player to get back from
the bathroom! (that by the way was the big breakthrough that made Sonic
more of a personality than his true arch enemy..Mario!)
Now Sally and St. John are more interesting because they were created for
'plot' not game play. Even Tails is more interesting because he was more
flexable (his traits from Sonic 2 being more 'amiable' and flexable, of
course Tails could never become the 'classic' hero, at least without a lot
of growing up, but he can fit into a number of sidekick roles)
Also Sally and St. John both LOOK a lot cuter than Sonic, fur is so
much nicer than 'glumby cartoon quills' ...Way past! :-)
Cosmo
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From: quozl_at_netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk)
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Sally's tail, was Re: college
>
> >Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:46:14 -0400
> >From: aa2043_at_freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas)
>
> Hope you don't mind the CC to both the Sonic list and my own little
> distribution; your last comment ought to provoke a nice
> flamewar^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion :^)
Following up the same way, since I havwe been involved here... :)
> >I was under the impression that Sally was a ground squirrel, who
> >do not need the long, bushy tails of their tree dwelling cousins
> >for balance. Hence their tails are rather short...almost bobbed.
>
> Except I remember seeing a Discovery Channel documentary or something on
> them, and their tails certainly weren't as short as Sally's... Maybe
> there's variation in ground squirrels or some junk...
There are about half-a-dozen to a dozen species of ground squirrels, most
of which *do not* have prominent tails. Some of them have only stubs for
tails, hence it's mistaken to think chipmunks are in the squirrel family,
even though they're similar. My reference is an Audubon (sp?) Society
guide to NA mammals....
> >>> By the way.. the concept of Antoine 'giving' his tail to Tails is
> >>> just plain goofy. I don't buy it one bit :)
>
> >All toons have detachable tails. Didn't you know that? :-)
>
> Examples? :^) (Wild takes don't count :^)) I don't remember seeing this
> on TTA, or even Bonkers (except maybe for Fall-apart Rabbit...)
The Warner Siblings.... :)
> >And as a side note...after finishing the Sally comic, I must say I'm
> >rooting for St. John and Sally. He's much better for her than Sonic,
> >who's nothing but a blue, egotistical speed merchant with delusions
> >of grandeur and a voice like Steve Urkel. :-)
>
> I'm sure Quozl will agree that St. John's better looking too :^)
Sonic is a misunderstood character, but oddly enough, there isn't much
known WRT the relationship between St.John and Sally, ie: *how* they fell
in love-- The comic only gives that hint right at the end with the kiss
and the diary note... And that's it.
....Quozl!
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From: drazen_at_andrews.edu (Dan Drazen)
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Scripting the Hedgehog (was: Re: a new lurker...)
>
> I have to agree here, I never did care for Sonic's personality. He's the
> 'Star' or 'Hero' in name only. What does he have going for him? Just
> Speed and a lot of luck. Sally has all the leadership skills and the
> brains (for plot reasons the TV show would give Sonic brief flashes of
> insight, but they never really 'fit' Sonic)
>
> What the problem is, Sonic's is too limited by the 'personality' that
> SEGA created for the video game. Fast, blue, who 'stretched' his
> personality by tapping his shoe waiting for the player to get back from
> the bathroom!
>
> Now Sally and St. John are more interesting because they were created for
> 'plot' not game play. Even Tails is more interesting because he was more
> flexable (his traits from Sonic 2 being more 'amiable' and flexable, of
> course Tails could never become the 'classic' hero, at least without a lot
> of growing up, but he can fit into a number of sidekick roles)
>
> Cosmo
>
This is something I've had to face in developing my own fanfic (I've got
a couple-three more stories in development). Sonic's been tough to
write for, since it's hard to get past the argot and the attitude.
Tough, but not impossible. Hope the results speak for themselves one of
these days. In one story (possible hint of a spoiler here) he runs into
an old friend from pre-Robotnik days, and events test that friendship.
But I'll say no more.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent.
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From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" <acme_at_use.usit.net>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Who's that squirrel? (#24)
This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be
considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about
the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today.
Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the
beginning of the story?
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From: Ron Bauerle <BAUERLE_at_engr.erie.ge.com>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:51:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Who's that squirrel? (#24) (spoilers)
>Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" <acme_at_use.usit.net>
>This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be
>considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about
>the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today.
Here's a form feed for extra protection :^)
>Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the
>beginning of the story?
No, but she is kind of cute (no Buttermilk Slappy though...)
This gives me an excuse to offer my review of this issue:
When Hedgehogs Collide!
written by Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders
Pencils by Dave Manak (Chapters 1 and 2) and Art Mawhinney (Chapters 3 and 4)
Inks by Harvo (??) (Chapters 1 and 2) and Rich Koslowski (Chapters 3 and 4)
The story opens with Sonic, Sally, Antoine, and Tails all mistreating
various members of Knothole (which is somewhat oddly shown as kind of a
medieval village - various vendors selling stuff in the "town square", etc.
Also, Antoine's mischief involves a sports car - since when does anybody
run around in motorized vehicles?)
Chapter 2 reveals that these 4 are really the evil imposters from the
alternate universe seen previously in issues 11 and 19. Apparently
Robotnik is a "kindly ol'... grade-A wimp!", and the SWATbots do all the
work, so life is boring (at least for bad guys like these). So they
decided for kicks to come to "our dimension" (rather handy how they can hop
on the "cosmic interstate" whenever they want) and make trouble for our
heroes. Drooling fanboys should note that this chapter has a few shots of
the evil Sally in leather... Also, that Tails and Rotor have facial
stubble; I didn't know furries could do that :^)
Chapter 3 begins with a major continuity glitch as Sonic, Tails, and
Antoine come through Rotor's "Timespace Matter Projector" (TM) back from
"negative reality", but couldn't "pierce the ZONE OF SILENCE where Robotnik
exiled Sally's dad KING ACORN!" ???? Nice exchange between Sonic and
Nicole here...
Sally almost catches them talking about their attempt, and there's a brief
reference to the Princess Sally Miniseries story. However, before either
can talk about (or evade :^)) these topics, the angry villagers attack them
thinking they're the bad guys. Our heroes escape to figure out what to do...
(Note: Tails flies off with Antoine, Sally hitches a ride with Sonic, and
Rotor flies off with a jetpack.)
The "Sonic art" pinup is nothing special.
Part 4 has the imposters attack again, but this time wearing their
"leathers"; the villagers _still_ don't get it... The first panel shows
a rabbit mother and her son running away from them. This is as good a
place as any to note that Bunnie doesn't appear in this issue :^(
The imposters decide to attack a band of "poor innocent gypsies" who,
natch, are our heroes in disguise. We get to see how handy Sally is with a
bow and arrow, then your basic fight scene as everybody goes hand-to-hand
(paw-to-paw?) with their counterparts. However, they are too evenly
matched, so Sally yells "Change partners!" and this does the job.
The story ends with our Sonic telling evil Sonic "game over - you lose!"
and he gets the reply: "Shows how much YOU know, pretty boy! I got what I
came for! A fight!" and then he faints. Sally asks Sonic how he can live
with himself, and he replies "Confidentially, Princess, it ain't easy!"
The announcements section on the letters page has a plug for the Sonic &
Knuckles comic, plus the fact that the 25th issue will be an adaptation of
the CD Game featuring Mecha Sonic!! Covers for both are shown; with I was
more enthused about either...
Nothing special in the fan letters, but the reply to one notes that the
Tails mini-series will be on sale next fall. (Do they mean _this_ fall?)
(actually, it was probably _last_ fall when they wrote that, so this fall
was really last fall's next fall - have I lost everybody yet? :^)
There was a nice exchange between Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck along that line
one time - I wish I had a transcription of it.)
That's it; I hope this was worth the half-hour it took me...
RDB
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From: quozl_at_netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk)
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 01:42:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Who's that squirrel? (#24) (spoilers)
Here I go again, replying to another of Ron's posts with my unique POV... :)
> >Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) -- Team OS/2" <acme_at_use.usit.net>
>
> >This question pertains to Archie Comics Sonic issue #24 and would be
> >considered to contain a spoiler if you want to know nothing at all about
> >the story before reading the comic yourself. My copy finally arrived today.
>
> Here's a form feed for extra protection :^)
>
> >Does anyone know the name of the squirrel attacked by "Sally" in the
> >beginning of the story?
>
> No, but she is kind of cute (no Buttermilk Slappy though...)
Cute, yes, but a bit on the young side for me- I think she's about 12 here..
> This gives me an excuse to offer my review of this issue:
And my um, comments thereof follows.... Be prepared: I'm not kind today!
> When Hedgehogs Collide!
>
> written by Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders
> Pencils by Dave Manak (Chapters 1 and 2) and Art Mawhinney (Chapters 3 and 4)
> Inks by Harvo (??) (Chapters 1 and 2) and Rich Koslowski (Chapters 3 and 4)
In general, not very well drawn in alot of spots, though there were some
good points, though... Writing could've been better, too. Nowhere *near*
the calibre of work put into the Princess Sally miniseries,
unfortunately! :(
> The story opens with Sonic, Sally, Antoine, and Tails all mistreating
> various members of Knothole (which is somewhat oddly shown as kind of a
> medieval village - various vendors selling stuff in the "town square", etc.
> Also, Antoine's mischief involves a sports car - since when does anybody
> run around in motorized vehicles?)
I was rather bothered by these two factors, myself, considering (a)
they're in our future, and (b) Knothole has always been, in the DiC
cartoons (my exposure, natch), to be a makeshift rebel compound, and not
a self-contained community.... Considering Archie is taking up the reigns
in presenting the Sonic universe after the cancellation of the DiC
cartoons, and the big draw is *coming* from the DiC SatAM audience, it's
disconcerting at best....
> Chapter 2 reveals that these 4 are really the evil imposters from the
> alternate universe seen previously in issues 11 and 19. Apparently
> Robotnik is a "kindly ol'... grade-A wimp!", and the SWATbots do all the
> work, so life is boring (at least for bad guys like these). So they
> decided for kicks to come to "our dimension" (rather handy how they can hop
> on the "cosmic interstate" whenever they want) and make trouble for our
> heroes. Drooling fanboys should note that this chapter has a few shots of
> the evil Sally in leather... Also, that Tails and Rotor have facial
> stubble; I didn't know furries could do that :^)
Chapter 2 was an overall improvement after Ch. 1- In the beginning, at
least. There *are* certain .fandom-esque notes to be made here,
particularly of Sally (as mentioned) and of course, Sonic's desk! Turning
the scene upside-down and read from left to right we have:
Sonic Sonic Sonic Sonic
+ + + +
Sally Bunnie Nicole Sonic
The first, obviously was no surprise and the second caught me off-guard,
not expecting seeing something I suspected being confirmed (yeah, I know;
alternate world, but there are parallels between the two Sonics,
including interests and egos!); however, I was *totally* surprised by the
latter two, and had me ROTFLing! :) (But then again, Sonic *does* love
himself!- It's Nicole that caught me off-guard here! :) )
> Chapter 3 begins with a major continuity glitch as Sonic, Tails, and
> Antoine come through Rotor's "Timespace Matter Projector" (TM) back from
> "negative reality", but couldn't "pierce the ZONE OF SILENCE where Robotnik
> exiled Sally's dad KING ACORN!" ???? Nice exchange between Sonic and
> Nicole here...
Mediocre chapter here.....
[....]
> The "Sonic art" pinup is nothing special.
Agreed.....
> Part 4 has the imposters attack again, but this time wearing their
> "leathers"; the villagers _still_ don't get it... The first panel shows
> a rabbit mother and her son running away from them. This is as good a
> place as any to note that Bunnie doesn't appear in this issue :^(
This chapter had some considerable improvement overall, notably in the
art, notably in this splash page... And yes, Bunnie is conspicuous by her
absense in this comic. I think it's probably because the issue is a
regression to the style of the *syndicated* DiC cartoon, which the comic
series was initially based on..
> The imposters decide to attack a band of "poor innocent gypsies" who,
> natch, are our heroes in disguise. We get to see how handy Sally is with a
> bow and arrow, then your basic fight scene as everybody goes hand-to-hand
> (paw-to-paw?) with their counterparts. However, they are too evenly
> matched, so Sally yells "Change partners!" and this does the job.
Third .fandom-esque note: Sally *in* a skirt- Then she takes the skirt off!
> The story ends with our Sonic telling evil Sonic "game over - you lose!"
> and he gets the reply: "Shows how much YOU know, pretty boy! I got what I
> came for! A fight!" and then he faints. Sally asks Sonic how he can live
> with himself, and he replies "Confidentially, Princess, it ain't easy!"
The fight was so-so; the ending was a typical Sonic statement, though it
would've been something he would've been more upbeat about...
Frankly, I didn't care much for the story. OK, I've been spoiled rotten
by the SatAM DiC cartoon, and the Princess Sally miniseries, and most of
the fanfic written *so far* has been better than *this*.... Come on,
fellas! I'd rather have the quality of the Princess Sally miniseries over
*this!* :(
> The announcements section on the letters page has a plug for the Sonic &
> Knuckles comic, plus the fact that the 25th issue will be an adaptation of
> the CD Game featuring Mecha Sonic!! Covers for both are shown; with I was
> more enthused about either...
Same here....
> Nothing special in the fan letters, but the reply to one notes that the
> Tails mini-series will be on sale next fall. (Do they mean _this_ fall?)
> (actually, it was probably _last_ fall when they wrote that, so this fall
> was really last fall's next fall - have I lost everybody yet? :^)
> There was a nice exchange between Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck along that line
> one time - I wish I had a transcription of it.)
"Ah-hah! Pronoun trouble!" :)
> That's it; I hope this was worth the half-hour it took me...
That's okay- I just went through 1-1/2 Art Of Noice CDs typing this
reply.... That's an hour, mind you..... (OK, so I'm slow... Nothing new
about *that*....)
.....Quozl!
- --
//////======////////// |Dennis M. Falk |221 Huntoon St.|TTA/Animaniacs/WB
/ _at_ ) \\\\\\\\\\ |aka "Quozl Mephit"|Eureka, CA |TaleSpin/CnD-RR
*___(_____(___| |(quozl_at_netcom.com)|95501-4115 USA |Fifi/Babs/Minerva
Supporting your right to own a pet Mustelid! (Skunks, ferrets, otters, minks..)
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