From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 01:40:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA29518 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA29511 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA29952 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:31:51 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id BAA30280 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:28:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199606010528.BAA30280@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 01:28:16, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >P.S. For those of you who wonder why I [Mecha-Sonic] am posting to this >list, it's because I am now an official Freedom Fighter. Read the >upcoming >fanfic "Hearts of Steel" for the whole story (I will get it up...I >promise). ANOTHER parallel to fanfic from our club! Great minds think alike, I guess...but then, why are YOU thinking like Brent Roberts...? ;) >< No flame intended...not against you anyway. I have a sort of personal vendetta against Brent........... From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 14:40:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id OAA28895 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (server-f.iadfw.net [206.66.12.40]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA28890 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.73) id ; Sat, 1 Jun 96 13:36:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 13:36:20 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: lca254@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: lca254@airmail.net (Lu Cananza) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I I DID I DID THIS I DID THIS TO I DID THIS TO ANNOY I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU! > > From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 16:30:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA08116 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epix.net (root@grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id QAA08111 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.224.69.163] (lwby-69ppp163.epix.net [199.224.69.163]) by epix.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA10802 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: rwilsona@epix.net (blarnystoned) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Now how would you did you get to be an official Freedom Fighter?! * * | O From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 16:40:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA08591 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epix.net (root@grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id QAA08584 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.224.69.163] (lwby-69ppp163.epix.net [199.224.69.163]) by epix.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA20064 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: rwilsona@epix.net (blarnystoned) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net i saw that episode and i just thought of that...i guess he made himself eat it just to please Sonic. * * | O < ___------__ >|| |\__-|- /\ _- >|| | / __ _ >|| //\ / \ /__ >|| | <| >|__ --_ >|| \\____-- __ \ ___ - >|| (## __/ / /_ >|| -___|_|_--- --_ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 16:43:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA08076 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epix.net (root@grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id QAA08071 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.224.69.163] (lwby-69ppp163.epix.net [199.224.69.163]) by epix.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA09453 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: rwilsona@epix.net (blarnystoned) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >I >I DID >I DID THIS >I DID THIS TO >I DID THIS TO ANNOY >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU! >> >> Well Well I Well I Think Well I Think You Well I Think You Did Well I Think You Did A Well I Think You Did A Good Well I Think You Did A Good Job Well I Think You did A Good Job Of Well I Think You did A Good Job Of Annoying Well I Think You did A Good Job Of Annoying Me Well I Think You did A Good Job Of Annoying Me! * * | O From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 16:50:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA08347 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epix.net (root@grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id QAA08337 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.224.69.163] (lwby-69ppp163.epix.net [199.224.69.163]) by epix.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA16050 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: rwilsona@epix.net (blarnystoned) Subject: Re: Mobius... alternate Earth? Good ques Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I also think Mobius is an alternate Earth because I saw Knuckles #1 and the inside of that building he was in in the beginning looked vrey Egyptian to me. * * | O < ___------__ >|| |\__-|- /\ _- >|| | / __ _ >|| //\ / \ /__ >|| | <| >|__ --_ >|| \\____-- __ \ ___ - >|| (## __/ / /_ >|| -___|_|_--- --_ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 18:10:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA16903 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us [198.189.125.67]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA16896 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (granite-d33.sierra.net [206.153.184.33]) by ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01185 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 15:09:42 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960601220503.006684c8@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: dflinn@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 15:05:03 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Dan Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net At 01:36 PM 6/1/96 -0500, you wrote: >I >I DID >I DID THIS >I DID THIS TO >I DID THIS TO ANNOY >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU! >> >> > > It sure worked. >:( From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 18:20:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA17532 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-ls.lightspeed.net (root@new-ls.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA17527 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.216.64.44] (bak-ppp-ls-008.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.44]) by new-ls.lightspeed.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA01595 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 15:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606012217.PAA01595@new-ls.lightspeed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 15:20:16 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: manning@lightspeed.net (Manning Richards) Subject: Re: No Subject Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Archies address, so i can mail them my story and characters From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 18:30:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA17611 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-ls.lightspeed.net (root@new-ls.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA17602 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.216.64.44] (bak-ppp-ls-008.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.44]) by new-ls.lightspeed.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA01692 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 15:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606012218.PAA01692@new-ls.lightspeed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 15:22:00 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: manning@lightspeed.net (Manning Richards) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >No flame intended...not against you anyway. I have a sort of personal >vendetta against Brent........... Whys that? From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 18:38:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA17712 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA17704 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from getns2.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.56]) by ns.ge.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23186 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:20:47 -0400 Received: from crypt.erie.ge.com by getns1.erie.ge.com with SMTP; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csp189.ge.com by crypt.erie.ge.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04938; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:20:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 18:20:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9606012220.AA04938@crypt.erie.ge.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: [INFO] Late Comics Report 23rd May Distribution: world Newsgroups: junk References: <4o3m3a$r3v@sanjuan.islandnet.com> From: bauerle@engr.erie.ge.com (Ron Bauerle) Organization: GE Transportation Systems, Control Engineering Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Thought the list might find this interesting: In article <4o3m3a$r3v@sanjuan.islandnet.com>, Tony Williams writes: >==================================================== > >Note the following Late Comics Report is not compiled by the poster of >this article. >Andrew S. Troth has kindly consented to allow me to be repost the list >on from CompuServe. > >Andrew puts a lot of work into this useful list and would welcome any >constructive criticism or corrections. > >The preferred method of reply is direct e-mail to Andrew at his >address 74663.3614@compuserve.com rather than follow-up replies to >rec.arts.comics.* > >Definitely do not e-mail the poster of this article - I'm just the >monkey, Andrew is the organ-grinder. > >===================================================== > >This is the Late Comics Report for the week of May 23, 1996. >-Archie Comics: > > NOTE: While Archie comics usually ship on time from the publisher, >they are subject to a consistent distribution delay, such that any >Archie comic can generally be expected to arrive in stores 8-10 days >after the date listed in solicitation. Only Archie comics which fail >to reach stores within that time frame will be included in this list. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 20:30:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id UAA27197 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com (pimaia2y.prodigy.com [198.83.18.95]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA27192 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime3.prodigy.com ([192.168.253.27]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA20308 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:18:09 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA02596 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:14:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199606020014.UAA02596@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: Ashura@prodigy.com (NATE HARTEL) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 20:14:13, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >I >I DID >I DID THIS >I DID THIS TO >I DID THIS TO ANNOY >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU! I think this is what is called an off topic post and something your *NOT* supposted to do. Ashura What kinda topic would this be anyway? From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 23:40:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA13027 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA13022 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA58376 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:32:06 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA21760 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:29:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199606020329.XAA21760@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:29:56, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>No flame intended...not against you anyway. I have a sort of personal >>vendetta against Brent........... >Whys that? Well, it's not really a list topic, so I'll just shamelessly plug my next story, Ground Zero, which has an explanation in the foreword. It's shaping up to be a great story so far, with the explanation of Kabuki's Ring's powers, as well as the first battle for both Packbell and Xavier...AGAINST EACH-OTHER! >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sat Jun 1 23:50:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA13588 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (server-f.iadfw.net [206.66.12.40]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA13583 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.73) id ; Sat, 1 Jun 96 22:43:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 22:43:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: lca254@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: lca254@airmail.net (Lu Cananza) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! > From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 00:00:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA18846 for sonic-ll; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (server-f.iadfw.net [206.66.12.40]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA18832 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.73) id ; Sat, 1 Jun 96 22:58:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 22:58:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: lca254@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: lca254@airmail.net (Lu Cananza) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME >CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! >> > > >DID YOU????? HUH, PUNK? From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 00:10:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id AAA00213 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (server-f.iadfw.net [206.66.12.40]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA00208 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.73) id ; Sat, 1 Jun 96 23:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 23:06:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: lca254@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: lca254@airmail.net (Lu Cananza) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME >>CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! >>> >> >> >>DID YOU????? HUH, PUNK? >ANSWER ME YOU BUTTFAGED BUNGHUNGHOLIA, CRAP HOUSE! > > From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 00:40:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id AAA01410 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA01403 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA40506 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:33:41 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA10830 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:31:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199606020431.AAA10830@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:31:24, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE >ME CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! It was a superb story, if I do say so myself. >< (I cried too...that and On My Mother's Grave...) From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 01:10:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA05383 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-ls.lightspeed.net (root@new-ls.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id BAA05378 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.216.64.69] (bak-ppp-ls-033.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.69]) by new-ls.lightspeed.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA24092 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 22:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606020509.WAA24092@new-ls.lightspeed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 22:12:50 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: manning@lightspeed.net (Manning Richards) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Cool, my story Tell Tale Hell2:Knee Deep In The Dead. is nearly complete. Ill be posting it soon From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 01:20:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA05513 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-ls.lightspeed.net (root@new-ls.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id BAA05506 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.216.64.69] (bak-ppp-ls-033.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.69]) by new-ls.lightspeed.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA24161 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 22:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606020510.WAA24161@new-ls.lightspeed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 22:13:59 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: manning@lightspeed.net (Manning Richards) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME >>CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! >>DID YOU????? HUH, PUNK? >ANSWER ME YOU BUTTFAGED BUNGHUNGHOLIA, CRAP HOUSE! > My....how colorfull. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 01:23:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA05149 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maki.wwa.com (maki.wwa.com [198.49.174.21]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA05144 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shoga.wwa.com by maki.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0uQ5K7-000rL8C; Sun, 2 Jun 96 00:03 CDT Received: from localhost by shoga.wwa.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0uQ5K7-002tu1C; Sun, 2 Jun 96 00:03 CDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 00:03:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Craig A. Fox" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... In-Reply-To: <199606020431.AAA10830@mime2.prodigy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > (I cried too...that and On My Mother's Grave...) > Well I loved it. Of course i'm the Todd that is in that story. :) Todd Fox (Todd on FT and SPR) From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 01:23:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA05288 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epix.net (root@grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id BAA05279 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.224.69.103] (lwby-69ppp103.epix.net [199.224.69.103]) by epix.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id BAA11789 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 01:01:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: magnum@epix.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: rwilsona@epix.net (blarnystoned) Subject: Re: No Subject Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ok then * * | O < ___------__ >|| |\__-|- /\ _- >|| | / __ _ >|| //\ / \ /__ >|| | <| >|__ --_ >|| \\____-- __ \ ___ - >|| (## __/ / /_ >|| -___|_|_--- --_ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 08:30:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id IAA03335 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 08:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com (pimaia2y.prodigy.com [198.83.18.95]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA03329 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 08:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime3.prodigy.com ([192.168.253.27]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA19912 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 08:15:34 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id IAA15988 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 08:14:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199606021214.IAA15988@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: Ashura@prodigy.com (NATE HARTEL) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 08:14:12, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >Cool, my story Tell Tale Hell2:Knee Deep In The Dead. is nearly complete. >Ill be posting it soon Isn't "Knee deep in the dead" the first volume of DooM? sounded kinda formiliar I think... Ashura From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 11:20:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id LAA16653 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com (dub-img-2.compuserve.com [198.4.9.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA16646 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA01777; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:13:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 11:13:15 -0400 From: Brian Ellis Subject: Reply to: Re: 'Bot Food... To: "sonic@lists.mv.net sonic@lists.mv.net" Message-ID: <199606021113_MC1-457-8DCC@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >Cool, my story Tell Tale Hell2:Knee Deep In The Dead. is nearly complete. >Ill be posting it soon >Isn't "Knee deep in the dead" the first volume of DooM? sounded kinda >formiliar I think... Especially when you add the name "Tell Tale Hell" -Brian Ellis From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 17:20:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA29615 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id RAA29551 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with SMTP id NAA09885 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA25546 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:21:12 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA10884 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:19:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199606021719.NAA10884@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 13:19:00, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net PLEASE, people, STOP replying to YOURSELVES....... >< 'Nuff Said. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 17:21:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA29507 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id RAA29427 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with SMTP id QAA15715 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA01599; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:02:26 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id QAA08979; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:02:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199606022002.QAA08979@edmund> Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Lu Cananza" at Jun 1, 96 10:43:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > > DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME > CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! > Thanks. ================================================================ || ___------__ || Daniel J. Drazen || |\__-- /\ _- || drazen@andrews.edu || | / __ _ ||Sonic: "Whoa, you're not going to || //\ / \ /__ || use the L-word, are you?" || | o| 0|__ --_ ||Tails: "Well...." || \\____-- __ \ ___ - ||Sonic: "Then I will...I love you, || (@@ __/ / /_ || little bro." || -_____--- --_ ||AoStH: "Tails' New Home" ================================================================ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 17:22:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA29514 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id RAA29434 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (mmdf@vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with SMTP id PAA14415 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-ip88.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa23964; 2 Jun 96 15:26 EDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960602192718.0071b7e0@mail.vivanet.com> X-Sender: mpenna@mail.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 15:27:18 -0400 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: [INFO] Late Comics Report 23rd May Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >> NOTE: While Archie comics usually ship on time from the publisher, >>they are subject to a consistent distribution delay, such that any >>Archie comic can generally be expected to arrive in stores 8-10 days >>after the date listed in solicitation. Only Archie comics which fail >>to reach stores within that time frame will be included in this list. Well, I have noticed this in the past. However, I've also found that most publishers have frequent delays in one form or another. Whether it's a problem with the publisher itself, or a book's distribution, there are delays. I've had titles delayed for over 2 months in the past, due to floods and complete failures in computer systems. (Most frequent with small publishers.) Archie isn't alone in this respect. In my experience, their record for releasing titles has been okay. -Matt Penna E-mail: mpenna@vivanet.com Home Page Under Construction ********************************************************************* * StH JJ1 Wks+++ AdS-->+ Son+++i Sal+++^ Tal+++it Bun+++ Rot++ Ant~ * * UnC++ Bks++ Rbk--/++ Pck--/+++ Snv~ Knu++ P+ Da $++++ Ay79 GM * ********************************************************************* From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 17:35:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA01969 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA01959 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: SUPERSTH@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25729 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:30:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:30:07 -0400 Message-ID: <960602173006_316605678@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >I >I DID >I DID THIS >I DID THIS TO >I DID THIS TO ANNOY >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU >I DID THIS TO ANNOY YOU! If I get thrown into jail anytime soon for commiting a vulgar crime of violence towards a --"certain"--- (name not shown just because I felt like not showing it) Sonic mailing list subscribant, then I will see you all after my life sentence is finished. SUPER STH Knuckles : "So -- you're the big mahmba-jahmba... Archimedes!" Archimedes (pointing to Knuckles) : "Look -- he's trying to think!" From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 17:45:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA03767 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA03757; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 17:42:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: lca254@airmail.net removed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I was noticing those annoying posts by that person, and wondering why the list admin wasn't doing anything, then I realized, I'm the list admin! I know that sounds like a joke, but Erich is really the list admin, but he's temporarliy off the net until he gets a new motherboard. Hopefully we've heard the last of lca254@airmail.net. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 18:33:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA09830 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA09822; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: this list In-Reply-To: <199606022002.QAA08979@edmund> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Dan Drazen wrote: > > DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME > > CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! > > Thanks. You guys have no idea how close I am to shutting down this list. With every stupid post, I get closer to that point. I'm not talking about that rude obnoxious guy, I'm talking about the regular posters. If all you have to say is "thanks", it's noise. There just isn't any reason for this list if it's going to be filled with useless crap. Something you should keep in mind, is there is a newsgroup for Sonic called alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog so I don't feel all that bad about shutting this down. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 18:35:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA10004 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA09999 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: SUPERSTH@aol.com Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA23210 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:33:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: <960602183352_405766994@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Mobius cultures, seemingly alternate to Earth Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Well, I've been thinking about this for quite some time now, and I've decided to throw out a few more assumptions of continent alternates... Great Continent = America (shoot, look at Sonic... he's blue with red & white sneaks! ;) Robotropolis = A really bad Washington D.C ;-D Downunda = Australia Frozen North Sea = Umm... Greenland? I'd say Antarctica, but that's South... Floating Island = Egypt Here's some cultures... Echidna = Egyptian Wolf Pack = Indian Arctic Mobians = Eskimo (who ELSE lives in the arctic?!) But there's one thing about all this that bothers me. The Floating Island, although Egyptianish, came from Downunda. However, no one ever said that the continents on Mobius had to be exactly identical in location to those on Earth. Now about evolution... as most of you know, on Earth, creatures' ability to thrive in certain climates and locations led to their evolution. It could be that Mobius' continental drifting was somewhat different, thus causing the evolutionary cycle to take a different path than Earth's own...? SUPER STH@aol.com Knuckles : "So -- you're the big mahmba-jahmba... Archimedes!" Archimedes (pointing to Knuckles) : "Look -- he's trying to think!" From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 19:00:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA13819 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-ls.lightspeed.net (root@new-ls.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA13814 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 18:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.216.64.124] (bak-ppp-ls-088.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.124]) by new-ls.lightspeed.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA16901 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606022258.PAA16901@new-ls.lightspeed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 16:01:54 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: manning@lightspeed.net (Manning Richards) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Yep! im a big DooM fan From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 19:35:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA15406 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tsb.weschke.com (foxfire@tsb.weschke.com [204.91.224.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id TAA15390 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from foxfire@localhost) by tsb.weschke.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA03499; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:33:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Forsyth To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius cultures, seemingly alternate to Earth In-Reply-To: <960602183352_405766994@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Sun, 2 Jun 1996 SUPERSTH@aol.com wrote: > Well, I've been thinking about this for quite some time now, and I've > decided to throw out a few more assumptions of continent alternates... > > Great Continent = America (shoot, look at Sonic... he's blue with red & white > sneaks! ;) > Robotropolis = A really bad Washington D.C ;-D > Downunda = Australia > Frozen North Sea = Umm... Greenland? I'd say Antarctica, but that's South... > Floating Island = Egypt > > Here's some cultures... > > Echidna = Egyptian > Wolf Pack = Indian > Arctic Mobians = Eskimo (who ELSE lives in the arctic?!) > > But there's one thing about all this that bothers me. The Floating Island, > although Egyptianish, came from Downunda. However, no one ever said that the > continents on Mobius had to be exactly identical in location to those on > Earth. > > Now about evolution... as most of you know, on Earth, creatures' ability to > thrive in certain climates and locations led to their evolution. It could be > that Mobius' continental drifting was somewhat different, thus causing the > evolutionary cycle to take a different path than Earth's own...? > > SUPER STH@aol.com > > Knuckles : "So -- you're the big mahmba-jahmba... Archimedes!" > Archimedes (pointing to Knuckles) : "Look -- he's trying to think!" > On top of all this, you also have Mr. Geoffrey St. John...the skunk with the British accent who comes from the *western* part of the Great Continent.... Chris Forsyth From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Sun Jun 2 23:00:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id WAA06419 for sonic-ll; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (mmdf@vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA06401 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 22:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm4-ip151.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa11522; 2 Jun 96 22:57 EDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960603025833.006960a4@mail.vivanet.com> X-Sender: mpenna@mail.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 22:58:33 -0400 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Mobius cultures, seemingly alternate to Earth Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >Now about evolution... as most of you know, on Earth, creatures' ability to >thrive in certain climates and locations led to their evolution. It could be >that Mobius' continental drifting was somewhat different, thus causing the >evolutionary cycle to take a different path than Earth's own...? Well, I've always found it interesting that so many different species could evolve at the same time, yet co-exist peacefully on Mobius. Normally, if more than one species occupies the same place in an ecosystem, one of them will overcome all others. If I remember my anthropology from freshman year, this is known as the Law of Competitive Exclusion. Based on what we know about primitive human cultures (Well...they weren't really human yet) this has happened several times with evolved species. One species was just totally wiped out by another. Of course, it's also possible that all of the species on Mobius evolved at different times. This is most likely what will happen on Earth in the future. Right now, humans are the only animals that can be called sentient. However, there is one group of living things that has showed some evidence of sentience other than us, and those are bees. But I'm straying from the topic. Maybe there were separate cultures at one time on Mobius, but they must have been completely isolated from one another in order for each one to remain in existence without their inhabitants being conquered/destroyed/forced to migrate by another, more powerful, empire. (Unless they were all extremely benevolent cultures...kind of unlikely, don't you think?) We could use a few Mobian history books on this one. :) Might be interesting to learn if there were some Mobian equivalent of the Holy Roman Empire, or ancient Greece. Hedgehog emperors and philosophers...scary. ;) -Matt Penna E-mail: mpenna@vivanet.com Home Page Under Construction ********************************************************************* * StH JJ1 Wks+++ AdS-->+ Son+++i Sal+++^ Tal+++it Bun+++ Rot++ Ant~ * * UnC++ Bks++ Rbk--/++ Pck--/+++ Snv~ Knu++ P+ Da $++++ Ay79 GM * ********************************************************************* From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 00:35:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id AAA29211 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com (pimaia2y.prodigy.com [198.83.18.95]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA29204 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com ([192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA21060 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:03:34 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA28416 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 23:52:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199606030352.XAA28416@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 23:52:35, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius cultures, seemingly alternate Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >Frozen North Sea = Umm... Greenland? I'd say Antarctica, but that's >South... How do you know that it's not a landmass similar to Antarctica, in the north...? Keep in mind, continental drift COULD have occurred differently there... >But there's one thing about all this that bothers me. The Floating Island, >although Egyptianish, came from Downunda. Again, this can be attributable to the earliest stages of the world's forming; perhaps "Australia" never separated from "Africa", or perhaps the "Egyptian" culture was on the same portion of the original landmass as the "Australian"... >Now about evolution... as most of you know, on Earth, creatures' ability >to thrive in certain climates and locations led to their evolution. It >could be that Mobius' continental drifting was somewhat different, thus >causing the evolutionary cycle to take a different path than Earth's >own...? That's another theory...or rather, another version of the same one. >< Somebody's got to do it! From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 09:00:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id IAA13222 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id IAA13130 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: bartrand@wolfenet.com Received: from yak-ts1-p16.wolfenet.com (yak-ts1-p16.wolfenet.com [204.157.97.182]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id FAA10055 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 05:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 05:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031254.FAA10055@wolfe.net> X-Sender: bartrand@gonzo.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >In a message dated 96-05-30 20:40:34 EDT, you wrote: > >> I was looking through my Sonic eps last weekend (the Sonic content of my >>blood >>> is dangerously low at present) and came across "Spyhog". Now, something I >>saw >>> in this ep has been bugging me for a while now. Sonic goes to Uncle >>Chuck's >>> hideout and gives him a chili dog. Chuck eats the dog... and says it's >>> delicious. Now, I'm not and expert on robotics, but how could his systems >>> handle a fod meant for organics? And how could he TASTE it with a metal >>> tongue? Just something to think about. Hope you guys didn't discuss this >>yet >>> (I haven't read ALL the list archives...) >>> >>> >>> "The Terror That Hacks in the Night" >>> Geson Hatchett/Racewing Kid >>> > >A 'bot eating? Very unusual-and very foolish. I never eat, since I don't >have to in order to survive, and it would wreak havoc on my internal systems. > A robot's body isn't designed to handle food (at least mine isn't), but >maybe it's different for roboticized creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Mecha-Sonic >P.S. For those of you who wonder why I [Mecha-Sonic] am posting to this >list, it's because I am now an official Freedom Fighter. Read the upcoming >fanfic "Hearts of Steel" for the whole story (I will get it up...I promise). > > Well I'm a newbie, but have all the archie comics and a whole bunch of episods the saterday morning and week day StH. Anyway, Theres been parts , in the week day shows, where Grownder has eaten' or says that he does eat food (whether Scratch dos is unknown to me at the present time) --Jarrett the Imp/Demon slaer and Sonic the Hedgehog fanatic. (I'm the one that can't spell) "Whats the diffrents between toilit paper and a shower certan?" "I don't know." "SO YOUR THE ONE!" From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 09:05:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA14348 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA14338 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:02:00 -0400 (EDT) From: bartrand@wolfenet.com Received: from yak-ts1-p16.wolfenet.com (yak-ts1-p16.wolfenet.com [204.157.97.182]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id GAA10480 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031302.GAA10480@wolfe.net> X-Sender: bartrand@gonzo.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME >CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! >> > > Ya, I did, but I didn't like the last part with Sal's sister and Bunny. --Jarrett aka Emperor Sauby of the Imperial force aka Alpha 1 (I have alot of titles!) "Sure we could have thoughs people killed to protect what they know, but isn't that a little harsh?" From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 09:10:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA15065 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA15053 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: bartrand@wolfenet.com Received: from wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with ESMTP id JAA19421 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yak-ts1-p16.wolfenet.com (yak-ts1-p16.wolfenet.com [204.157.97.182]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id GAA10745 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 06:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606031307.GAA10745@wolfe.net> X-Sender: bartrand@gonzo.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>Cool, my story Tell Tale Hell2:Knee Deep In The Dead. is nearly >complete. >>Ill be posting it soon > >Isn't "Knee deep in the dead" the first volume of DooM? sounded kinda >formiliar I think... > >Ashura > > A Story about DOOM??!! COOL!!! SEND IT! (and yes, Knee deep in the dead is the first chapter) --JARRETT (DOOM Taking over me life!!!) "Are we there yet?" "NO!" "Are we there yet?" "NO!" "Are we there yet? "NO!" "Where are we going?" From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 09:35:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA17767 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA17761; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: sonic list shutting down Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net After thinking about it more, I think I'd like to shut the sonic list down. I'll shut it down this weekend, so you all have a week to say your goodbyes or whatever. The list started on 2/95, back when new episodes of the sat AM cartoon were being made, and we had lots to talk about. The Sat AM cartoon is actually what got me personally into it, and motivated me to start this. But now, all we've got left is fanfic, and the comics. I just don't feel it's worth it reading this list anymore. And come on, if you've read some of the recent posts, you're probably agreeing with me. Those are my reasons, and this is not open for debate. And I do encourage you to use the alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog newsgroup. If your internet provider does not carry it, tell them to! It's very easy to add newsgroups, so they have no excuse. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 09:55:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA21427 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA21410 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iaw.on.ca (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with SMTP id JAA21237 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nb1-25.iaw.on.ca by iaw.on.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uQa1e-000b9KC; Mon, 3 Jun 96 09:50 EDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 09:50 EDT X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>DID YOU LIKE THE SONIC STORY BLOODLINES??? I THOUGHT IT ROCKED!! IT MADE ME >>CRY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! >>> >> >> > >Ya, I did, but I didn't like the last part with Sal's sister and Bunny. > > I agre the ending didn't need that. Would have been just as good with out it. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 10:00:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA22798 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us [198.189.125.67]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA22652 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 09:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (ppp20.net.CUSD.Chico.K12.CA.US [198.189.28.50]) by ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA00316 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:01:59 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960603135759.00686488@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: dflinn@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 06:57:59 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Dan Subject: #sonic channel on IRC Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Just like to say...........YEEESSSSSS!!!!! Those little morons who took over #sonic, left! The channel is ours again! Just letting you guys who come on the channel often, know about it. 'Nouf said. -Chris Flinn ^Speed^ on IRC, Speedboy on MUCK dflinn@bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 10:15:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA25273 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id KAA25264 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us [198.189.125.67]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with ESMTP id KAA21916 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (ppp20.net.CUSD.Chico.K12.CA.US [198.189.28.50]) by ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA00388 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 07:08:51 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960603140452.0068510c@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: dflinn@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 07:04:52 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Dan Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net At 06:07 AM 6/3/96 -0700, you wrote: >>>Cool, my story Tell Tale Hell2:Knee Deep In The Dead. is nearly >>complete. >>>Ill be posting it soon >> >>Isn't "Knee deep in the dead" the first volume of DooM? sounded kinda >>formiliar I think... >> >>Ashura >> >> > >A Story about DOOM??!! COOL!!! SEND IT! >(and yes, Knee deep in the dead is the first chapter) > > > --JARRETT (DOOM Taking over me life!!!) > > > > >"Are we there yet?" >"NO!" >"Are we there yet?" >"NO!" >"Are we there yet? >"NO!" >"Where are we going?" > > It would please me very much (and many others, I'm sure), that people talking about DOOM, would have their OWN conversation about this off a LIST talking about SONIC! And please stop repling to the same letter 5 times a day. It annoys us all to death. -Chris F. dflinn@bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 10:20:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA25067 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id KAA25051 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20708 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:10:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:10:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@lists.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960603101054.6152@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: sonic list shutting down Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >From: Ratman >After thinking about it more, I think I'd like to shut the sonic list down. Isn't that a bit overreacting? >I'll shut it down this weekend, so you all have a week to say your goodbyes >or whatever. Will list-admin Erich be back by then? But if it's your machine/account, I guess it doesn't matter... >now, all we've got left is fanfic, and the comics. I just don't feel >it's worth it reading this list anymore. And come on, if you've read some >of the recent posts, you're probably agreeing with me. Well, that's what the delete command is for, but I can't argue with the low quality lately... >Those are my reasons, and this is not open for debate. The main things I _don't_ want to lose are Ken Penders' inputs as a Sonic writer/insider and Dan Drazen's reviews of the comics (even if he _was_ apparently the straw that broke your back just by posting a "thanks" comment to the list instead of taking it to e-mail...) >And I do encourage you to use the alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog newsgroup. If your >internet provider does not carry it, tell them to! It's very easy to add >newsgroups, so they have no excuse. Except when they're GE and they decide to drop 90+% of the alt.* traffic (even though they supposedly still carry the groups). I really can't blame them, since it's not related to business stuff. However, since all I have is a 286 system at home, I'm not going to upgrade to a 486 with Windows just so I can sign up with somebody like AOL - I'll go back to my genealogy hobby before I do _that_... Maybe what I'll do is maintain my original Sonic list and expand it to include the "quality" regulars from this list; maybe somebody else will want to restart it up as a regular mailing list again sometime... Well, it's been fun, but I guess nothing lasts forever except the love of God; bye everybody... Ron Bauerle From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 12:10:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id MAA13088 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id MAA12979 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with SMTP id MAA27292 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA03486 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:02:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:02:52 -0400 Message-ID: <960603120251_317188234@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: sonic list shutting down Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Due to the list shutting down, if anyone has any questions or wishes to comment on the SONIC comics published by Archie, you may write to me at KenP7672@Aol.com One note: because of my position as writer on the SONIC and SONIC-related series, I cannot read or comment on any fan-fiction whatsoever. My apologies for this, but I'm sure the reasons are obvious. Ken From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 12:15:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id MAA14210 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.Clark.Net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id MAA14202 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ba.com (ba.com [198.5.6.1]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA06630 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sirkain.mns.inc.com (sirkain.mnsinc.com [206.239.33.181]) by ba.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA27960 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:13:39 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:13:39 GMT Message-Id: <199606031113.LAA27960@ba.com> X-Sender: sirkain@mnsinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Eric Goodwin Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: sonic list shutting down Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net At 09:34 AM 6/3/96 -0400, you wrote: >After thinking about it more, I think I'd like to shut the sonic list down. >I'll shut it down this weekend, so you all have a week to say your goodbyes >or whatever. > >The list started on 2/95, back when new episodes of the sat AM cartoon >were being made, and we had lots to talk about. The Sat AM cartoon is >actually what got me personally into it, and motivated me to start this. >But now, all we've got left is fanfic, and the comics. I just don't feel >it's worth it reading this list anymore. And come on, if you've read some >of the recent posts, you're probably agreeing with me. OK, then I bring this question up: How are the writers to going ot be able ot get people to check out their stories, if there is no mailing list? how are others to know when new stories are added? And, where are we to direct them to? Bookshire? I would like someday to have some kinda network to where the writers and the person running the web page can keep in touch. Sir Kain E-mail: sirkain@mnsinc.com From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 13:32:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA24940 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA24916; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:29:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: more about the lists shutting down... In-Reply-To: <199606031113.LAA27960@ba.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I'd also like to say it wasn't anyone's fault that I shut down the list. I'm not mad at anyone (except for that jerk that posted all those annoying posts who I kicked off). So no need to write me with an apology. On a seperate note...... On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Eric Goodwin wrote: > OK, then I bring this question up: How are the writers to going ot be able > ot get people to check out their stories, if there is no mailing list? how Use alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog This brings up something I should meantion that I am aware of. Not everyone gets the sonic newsgroup. But it is at a lot of places. > are others to know when new stories are added? And, where are we to direct > them to? Bookshire? I would like someday to have some kinda network to where > the writers and the person running the web page can keep in touch. bookshire (bookshire@rat.org) does maintain a fanfic page, and stories have always gone to him. As far as a network for keeping in touch with the guy that runs the web page, talk to bookshire. On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Ron Bauerle wrote: > >From: Ratman > > >After thinking about it more, I think I'd like to shut the sonic list down. > > Isn't that a bit overreacting? To what? This isn't a reflex action to an event. This is me thinking long and hard about do I really want to continue to spend the time maintaining the list, and devoting resources on my server for it. > >I'll shut it down this weekend, so you all have a week to say your goodbyes > >or whatever. > > Will list-admin Erich be back by then? But if it's your machine/account, > I guess it doesn't matter... I don't know what his status is. And it's not his decision anyway. > >Those are my reasons, and this is not open for debate. > > The main things I _don't_ want to lose are Ken Penders' inputs as a Sonic > writer/insider and Dan Drazen's reviews of the comics (even if he _was_ > apparently the straw that broke your back just by posting a "thanks" > comment to the list instead of taking it to e-mail...) Not really. Ken was one of the more informative posters. I've always enjoyed his posts. The "thanks" post was an exception, and was annoying, but certainly didn't have anything to do with me shutting down the list. It was not anyone's fault, this is just me. So if someone should be blamed, blame me. This is my server, and I'm pulling the plug on the mailing list. > >And I do encourage you to use the alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog newsgroup. If your > >internet provider does not carry it, tell them to! It's very easy to add > >newsgroups, so they have no excuse. > > Except when they're GE and they decide to drop 90+% of the alt.* traffic You're not alone. Many servers don't carry alt.fan.*, in which case no amount of begging will help. I was thinking of the ISP I work for when I said that. All a customer has to do is ask to get a newsgroup added to our server. But in an environment where they ban a whole news hierarchy (did I spell that right?), there isn't much you can do about it. > Maybe what I'll do is maintain my original Sonic list and expand it to > include the "quality" regulars from this list; maybe somebody else will > want to restart it up as a regular mailing list again sometime... That could be cool, if done right. In case anyone is curious, there are 109 members of the main list, and 5 people on the digest version. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 14:40:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id OAA02051 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU (root@bigboote.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id OAA01991 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU (tedp@wpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.6]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (8.8.Alpha.3/8.8.Alpha.3) with ESMTP id OAA27182; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:04:27 -0400 From: Theodore Patri Perrotti Received: (from tedp@localhost) by wpi.WPI.EDU (8.8.Alpha.3/8.8.Alpha.3) id OAA00322; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:04:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199606031804.OAA00322@wpi.WPI.EDU> Subject: It's been fun! To: sonic@lists.mv.net (sonic) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tedp@WPI.EDU (Theodore Patri Perrotti) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I think the title says it all. At least the service provider I'm going to be using this summer carries alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. Thanks for creating and running the list, Ratman. BTW-Will the sonic link remain on http://rat.org? I'd hate to lose access to all that fanfic I haven't yet read. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Well, you do have HALF a brain."-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 15:13:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id OAA05219 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA05205 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA11472 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:29:45 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id OAA21858 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:26:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199606031826.OAA21858@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 14:26:52, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: sonic list s Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net THIS, Rat, is a low blow. I JUST GOT BACK, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, AND NOW THIS!!! Now, I know I said I'd try not to attack your authority or anything like that, but the Mettle thing I got kicked-off for had a real REASON, whereas THIS...well, I don't see one here. This whole THING is ridiculous...whether they have an excuse or NOT, some people just aren't going to CARRY a.f.s-h, whereas EVERYBODY'S got E-MAIL. In any case, there's nothing I can do to STOP you, but STILL, this is ridiculous. >< Yes, I KNOW I posted this to the list, but I assumed that THIS topic is something important, with which the other users would agree. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 15:30:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id PAA14026 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id PAA14018; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: It's been fun! In-Reply-To: <199606031804.OAA00322@wpi.WPI.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Theodore Patri Perrotti wrote: > BTW-Will the sonic link remain on http://rat.org? I'd hate to lose access > to all that fanfic I haven't yet read. That will stay. And bookshire runs the fanfic page, please remember that. It's up to him if he wants to shut it down ever. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 15:45:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id PAA14300 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id PAA14286; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: sonic list s In-Reply-To: <199606031826.OAA21858@mime2.prodigy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: > THIS, Rat, is a low blow. I JUST GOT BACK, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, AND NOW > THIS!!! Now, I know I said I'd try not to attack your authority or > anything like that, but the Mettle thing I got kicked-off for had a real > REASON, whereas THIS...well, I don't see one here. This whole THING is > ridiculous...whether they have an excuse or NOT, some people just aren't > going to CARRY a.f.s-h, whereas EVERYBODY'S got E-MAIL. In any case, > there's nothing I can do to STOP you, but STILL, this is ridiculous. It is ridiculous for you to assume that I owe you this service. Lack of appreciation like this makes me wish I had shut it down sooner. Though I can only hope you and your attitude is in the minority. > Yes, I KNOW I posted this to the list, but I assumed that THIS topic is > something important, with which the other users would agree. It doesn't matter anyway since the list is going away soon. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 18:00:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA05746 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tsb.weschke.com (foxfire@tsb.weschke.com [204.91.224.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id RAA05738 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from foxfire@localhost) by tsb.weschke.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA20800; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:46:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:46:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Forsyth To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... In-Reply-To: <199606031307.GAA10745@wolfe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Mon, 3 Jun 1996 bartrand@wolfenet.com wrote: > >>Cool, my story Tell Tale Hell2:Knee Deep In The Dead. is nearly > >complete. > >>Ill be posting it soon > > > >Isn't "Knee deep in the dead" the first volume of DooM? sounded kinda > >formiliar I think... > > > >Ashura > > > > > > A Story about DOOM??!! COOL!!! SEND IT! > (and yes, Knee deep in the dead is the first chapter) > > > --JARRETT (DOOM Taking over me life!!!) > Totally off the subject, but there's already four Doom novels out in bookstores. Nothing involving Sonic in there, though. ;-) Chris Forsyth From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 18:45:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA13619 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inet.uni-c.dk (inet.uni-c.dk [130.228.6.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA13576 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arh169.ppp.uni-c.dk (arh169.ppp.uni-c.dk [130.228.13.169]) by inet.uni-c.dk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA19631 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:39:52 +0200 Received: by arh169.ppp.uni-c.dk with Microsoft Mail id <01BB51AE.0FB80C60@arh169.ppp.uni-c.dk>; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:37:51 +-200 Message-ID: <01BB51AE.0FB80C60@arh169.ppp.uni-c.dk> From: Commander Sonic Data To: "'sonic@lists.mv.net'" Subject: NEW MALINGLIST:D Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:37:19 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BB51AE.0FF38EC0" Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net 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charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Jason Shank Subject: E-mail Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I think my E-mail sent doubles or something of my last post (not that it's gona matter soon anyway...), if it did, I'm sorry fot it! I think I fixed it though :) -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK nick) From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 19:15:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA16058 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.ptd.net (root@ns1.ptd.net [198.80.46.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA16038 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:56 -0400 (EDT) From: sonic2@postoffice.ptd.net Received: from JAYBIRD (cs1-01.lfd.ptd.net [204.186.41.1]) by ns1.ptd.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16989 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606032249.SAA16989@ns1.ptd.net> X-Sender: sonic2@postoffice.ptd.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >To: sonic@lists.mv.net >From: Jason Shank >Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... > > I know everyone one's gona want to say good bye an stuff, but I would like to say it anyway. Well, the mailing list was nice while it lasted and I usually don't post much, but I wanted to say somehting before it was shut down. I guess this is good-bye to lots of popele on the mailing list! > >REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're trying to make the channel fun AND organized. > > Bye veryone! :) > > -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) > From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 19:19:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA16081 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.ptd.net (root@ns1.ptd.net [198.80.46.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA16072 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JAYBIRD (cs1-01.lfd.ptd.net [204.186.41.1]) by ns1.ptd.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16957 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606032249.SAA16957@ns1.ptd.net> X-Sender: sonic2@postoffice.ptd.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Jason Shank Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >To: sonic@lists.mv.net >From: Jason Shank >Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... > > I know everyone one's gona want to say good bye an stuff, but I would like to say it anyway. Well, the mailing list was nice while it lasted and I usually don't post much, but I wanted to say somehting before it was shut down. I guess this is good-bye to lots of popele on the mailing list! > >REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're trying to make the channel fun AND organized. > > Bye veryone! :) > > -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) > From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 19:20:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA16047 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.ptd.net (root@ns1.ptd.net [198.80.46.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA16027 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JAYBIRD (cs1-01.lfd.ptd.net [204.186.41.1]) by ns1.ptd.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA16969 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606032249.SAA16969@ns1.ptd.net> X-Sender: sonic2@postoffice.ptd.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Jason Shank Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >To: sonic@lists.mv.net >From: Jason Shank >Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... > > I know everyone one's gona want to say good bye an stuff, but I would like to say it anyway. Well, the mailing list was nice while it lasted and I usually don't post much, but I wanted to say somehting before it was shut down. I guess this is good-bye to lots of popele on the mailing list! > >REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're trying to make the channel fun AND organized. > > Bye veryone! :) > > -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) > From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 19:27:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA17698 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.ptd.net (root@ns1.ptd.net [198.80.46.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA17685 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:56:52 -0400 (EDT) From: sonic2@postoffice.ptd.net Received: from JAYBIRD (cs1-01.lfd.ptd.net [204.186.41.1]) by ns1.ptd.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA18848 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606032256.SAA18848@ns1.ptd.net> X-Sender: sonic2@postoffice.ptd.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >To: sonic@lists.mv.net >From: Jason Shank >Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... > > I know everyone one's gona want to say good bye an stuff, but I would like to say it anyway. Well, the mailing list was nice while it lasted and I usually don't post much, but I wanted to say somehting before it was shut down. I guess this is good-bye to lots of popele on the mailing list! > >REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're trying to make the channel fun AND organized. > > Bye veryone! :) > > -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) > -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK nick) From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 19:30:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA20611 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA20605 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA32088 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:28:12 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAB11894 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:22:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199606032322.TAB11894@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:22:18, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: sonic list s Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >It is ridiculous for you to assume that I owe you this service. Lack of >appreciation like this makes me wish I had shut it down sooner. Though I >can only hope you and your attitude is in the minority. I'm sorry...you're right, you have every right to close down. I just tend to get angry when I lose things that are important to me...sorry for losing it yet again. I've had a good time...thanks, Rat, and everybody else. >< Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of Magic. - Arthur C. Clarke From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 19:45:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA19758 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id TAA19752 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: bartrand@wolfenet.com Received: from yak-ts1-p59.wolfenet.com (bartrand@yak-ts1-p59.wolfenet.com [204.157.97.225]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id QAA23467 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606032320.QAA23467@wolfe.net> X-Sender: bartrand@gonzo.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: NEW MALINGLIST:D Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >Its sade that Rat is closing the malinglist. I=B4ll try to make a new one. >I have 2 emails, and one of them, I=B4ll use as an list:) > >You can send your E-mail address to me on soniccsd@inet.uni-c.dk with the text MEMBER. >The list will be on soniccsd@pip.dknet.dk >The Mail will be distributet arrond ones a day. >Hope that you=B4ll use it:) > >=DA=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C2=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=BF >=B3 =B3 =C9=CD=CD=CD =C9=CD=CD=CD = =C9=CD=CD=BB =C9=CD=CD=BB =B3 >=B3 ___------__ =B3 =CC=CD=CD =CC=CD=CD =CD=CD =BA= =BA =B3 >=B3 |\__-- /\ _- =B3 =CA =CA =C8=CD=CD=BC= =C8=CD=CD=BC =B3 >=B3 | / __ _ =B3 FreedomFighters CommandCentral Kothole = =B3 >=B3 //\ / \ /__ = =C3=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=B4 >=B3 | o| 0|__ --_ =B3 Commander Sonic Data. = =B3 >=B3 \\____-- __ \ ___ - =B3 E-mail soniccsd@inet.uni-c.dk = =B3 >=B3 (@@ __/ / /_ = =C3=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=B4 >=B3 -_____--- --_ =B3 Sonic malinglist: soniccsd@pip.dknet.dk = =B3 >=B3 =B3 HTTP://INET.UNI-C.DK/~SONICCSD/ = =B3 >=B3ASCII Sonic by Han J Lee =B3 HTTP://WWW.PIP.DKNET.DK/~PIP2313/FF-CC.HTM= =B3 >=C3=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C1=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=B4 >=B3 StH Sal+++^i Son+++i Bun++" Tal+++t Nic++^ Lup++ Rbt--- Snv---^ = =B3 >=B3 P++ Dpwfo $++ E17 Ee27 A19 GM = =B3 >=C0=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=D9 > > > > > > > > > >Attachment Converted: E:\TIECD\NEWMALIN > Yo! this is Hyp_Sonic I want in! my e-mail adrress is bartrand@wolfenet.com From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 20:00:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA25900 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-ls.lightspeed.net (root@new-ls.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id TAA25893 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.216.66.41] (bak-ppp-ba-005.lightspeed.net [204.216.66.41]) by new-ls.lightspeed.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA21298 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606032358.QAA21298@new-ls.lightspeed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:01:29 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: manning@lightspeed.net (Manning Richards) Subject: Re: 'Bot Food... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Well i do try my best. ANY way, it involves nothing from the doom section. I just liked the name and I used it. Here is the first two Paragraphs from TTH:KDITD As the bright transluminicant after glow of Mobius's moon cast it's yellowish white light across an apparently abandoned junkyard. A few unnamed animals quickly skittered across the trash filled road. One of them , which wasn't paying too much attention to the road ahead of him, bumped into a now dented beverage can. If he could talk then you would most likely hear a stream of cursing and death threats. The ominous sound of the wind howled wrathfully, leaving an eerie feeling in the air. The wind blew harder. The stronger gust of wind caused the massive steel cables of a ruined wrecking crane to gently sway back and forth. The twisted red metal crane arm hung there, lifeless and limp. Several steel cables and long yellow hazard wires hung from one of many damaged ventilation openings. It almost looked like a large robot arm, waiting to have its synthetic 'veins' to be put back in place. Every few minutes several pieces of the cranes arm would fall to the ground in a loud metallic shriek. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 21:30:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id VAA06500 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id VAA06485 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id VAA17207; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:14:58 -0400 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199606040114.VAA17207@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:14:58 -0400 From: hk512@cleveland.freenet.edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net This message, most likely my last, on this mailing list, is not going to be an extremely `friendly' one. Those of you out there with sensitive dispositions, or an aversion to out-and-out rage, may wish to discontinue reading this self-professed rant at the conclusion of this paragraph. This has been something that has been held within me for several months now, and the time has come for it to be released. I have sat on this list and read every message that has come through for probably the last six or seven months. During that time, not only have I been relatively inactive in my posting, but also have repressed a lot of anger and sorrow over the actions of its sysops, especially `Ratman'. My reasons for holding back my hate and venom are rather simple to trace, really; since I did not want my close relationship with Bookshire to be viewed by Ratman as a conspiracy against him, I chose not to endanger Bookshire's fanfic archive or his graphics page by complaining about said sysop's activities. But now, this hostile action toward the Sonic fanfic community has forced me to react in a firm and unforgiving way, and for me to present my case to the people to the best of my ability. Some of you new to the list may be wondering what events and statements made by said hominid rodent have brought me to make this rather brash and probably inflammatory diatribe against him (as well as a brief gripe about something Eric, the other sysop, had done). Therefore, in the interests of presenting my complaints in an itemized and logical form, I shall attempt to list the major offenses below. Some other occurrances also led to my current anger, but they have either been forgotten or have been of such a small consequence that listing every one would be trivial. The first event that turned me toward dislike of the management of this list is one that could probably be concieved as a nearly inflammatory move on the part of Eric, which was to utilize a posting of mine in order to set down a new `list rule'. What transpired was that in the beginning of my fanfic-writing career, I made it a habit to publish my stories on the mailing list directly, and then have Bookshire grep them from his mailspool and HTMLize it for fanfic-page consumption. I had not seen a single post on said list about anyone disliking my practice of doing this, and had, in fact, recieved a few positive comments. This not only encouragedme to continue my writings, but it also gave me a mandate to continue this practice further. Well, after I had sent one of my stories to the list on one fateful afternoon, Eric decided to take the opportunity to put down a new list rule. Can anyone tell me what it is? No? Well, it was that no further stories were to be sent to the list. He used the header of my posting, deleted all of the content of the message (even the `On such-and-such day, X said:' line), and said in no uncertain terms that no further fanfic was to be sent to the list. That's all. No `good story, Joe', no `awful story, Joe', no `nice paragraphing, Joe', but instead a subtle incrimination that it was -MY- fault that this new policy was being instituted. Real fucking nice, man. Yet, I kept my mouth closed, and instead did what I was instructed to. The deep-rooted indignation that I possess now was absent in me then, so I meekly shut up and obeyed. However, my ire was rose when people CONTINUED, -TOTALLY- unflamed, to post fanfic to the list (and multi-part fanfic, I might add) and were, in fact, APPLAUDED by the admins! The second incident that rose my bile to a frothing cauldron of rage was a posting I had made that I thought was not only Sonic-related, but dealt with the problem we had at the time with Sega's legal staff regarding the `hentai' pics Bookshire had on the page at the time. A posting on alt.slack caught my eye during that time period that dealt with a similar case that Warner Brothers was placing against a similar collection of porno pics of toons. Seeing that this would be a good morale-booster for the depressed inhabitants on the list, I chose to grep the article from my local NNTP server, edit it a little, and post it onto the list. It seemed quite obvious to myself and my close friends that this was a completely on-topic post, and it would be, in fact, appreciated by all members of the list. As expected, Ratman (with his utter mastery of the King's English, not to mention his totally superior abilities in detecting -CONTEXT-) *flamed* me for putting the article on the list, calling it one of the most foul, odious, noxious, degrading, and generally Pink things that one 'net surfer can call another 'net surfer's transmissions: `spam'. Needless to say, it took a far larger expenditure of willpower to not utterly blast Ratman off the face of the earth with my verbal gymnastics, but I was able to again contain my rage. The third slap in the face that I refused to allow my primal instincts to attack was not even directed toward me, but rather toward the inhabitantsof the list as a whole. This was an incident best outlined as a general`policy' issue, but it was a very sensitive one for me. Now, I know operators of mailing lists have the right to say whatever they want on the list that they operate. I have no qualms about that right, nor would I demand it be removed due to the interests of fair and free speech. However, during an otherwise slow time for the list, an interesting, but somewhat off-topic thread began; it dealt with the fanfic video game (that is still under production, BTW), and the general roles people might play in it. I thought it was amusing enough, and didn't feel it took up too much of my mail spool with BS. After all, it is a simple thing to delete 30 messages a day; any jackass with a decent mail-reader can do that in one keystroke. Yet, after a while, Ratman started bitching about it because he had obviously lost interest in it. There was a brief verbal scuffle, which can be supported by said members of the discussion, and I felt that neither side was totally in the right...in fact, if it hadn't been for Ratman's creation of a video-game list, I bet this list would have finally collapsed a long time ago. But it takes two to tango, petit, and this therefore can be seen as yet another reason I am unhappy with Ratman's performance. Fourth was perpetrated by Ratman just hours ago, when he had the sheer gonads to dare speak afoul of one of the most brilliant, skilled, and generally superior human beings I have had the pleasure of reviewing the work of, Dan Drazen. He is probably one of the nicest people I have ever read the work of, and does more for Sonic fandom in general than most people could ever concieve of. His writings about the Sonic comic are insightful and fair, and his fanfic is probably several million times better than anything I could ever dream of writing. In fact, I'd dare say that he could write `Nanny nanny boo boo' a million times, post it, and I'd -still- like the guy. But, as Ratman was totally expected to do (I was tempted to start a pool when I saw Drazen's alledgedly `irritating' post), he went off on this great man like he was a common spammer, dissing him far too strongly in front of the entire list for acknoledging a quite...interesting comment written by an obvious nutcase. He should have been commended for adding even a spittle of thought toward that individual, not crucified and chastised by the hominid rodentia for making a minor `fluff' post. It's not like the list was overloaded with spam at the time, anyway. And now, the fifth reason is Ratman's actual shutting down of the list for reasons that have allegedly stretched back into the past. He says that the system load for him is too much (sure, pal...and I suppose the ten billon Mortal Kombat wankers that hit your site every time another edition of that blasted game is released doesn't put an infinitesimally higher amount of strain on that ISP of yours than some < 50 K mail messages that are in-and-out in less than 2 minutes), and that the signal-to-noise ratio is too low (one jerk spams us with 5 messages, and two other people are learning how to use their mail programs...meanwhile, meaningful discussion continues unabated), or that alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog would be a better place, anyway (and he -admits- it's more difficult than he initially said to get your average po'bucker admin to add a newsgroup to your local NNTP spool, especially if it's an alt.* group...also, Quozl himself could tell you that the average sysop is probably already wary of the alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog group because it was allegedly created by Tom Servo-ish methods...you think getting alt.tv.k-t-e is hard to cajole your sysop into, just wait until he sees your request for a group that was allegedly made by Tom Servo!) Now, in my opinion, this action was taken strictly as a tantrumish lashing-out at those of us who may have offended his sensitive sensibilities once too often, or that one was less articulate than he would prefer, or even just because he'd stubbed his toe that morning. Who frigging knows? All I know is that this action is totally uncalled for, and that any human being with a sense of justice left within them would stand up and -say- something about it. His current rationale does not wash well with me, and I'm sure that I am not alone. In closing, I will be sure to tell others about the actions of Ratman, sysop of rat.org, throughout my various peer groups of furries, cyberpunks, and Wired devotees; and also see to it that a new list is createdon a different server to serve those of us still devoted to the Blue Guy; with a more lenient sysadmin and fairer policies toward the fanfic writer. Mark my words, fellow Freedom Fighters, I shall not rest until we have a new list again. I refuse to allow such a hard-core group fall apart at the seams due to the actions of one misguided individual. Regards, Joseph Alexander de LaCroix, Esq. -- FurryMUCK: furry.org 8888 (Joe_Fox) | Joseph deLaCroix hk512@po.cwru.edu SPR: svansmoj.ctrl-c.liu.se (Joe) | The CDA is bad. http://www.eff.com/ FT: 198.211.131.13 9999 (Joe) | StH Fanfic -- http://rat.org/bookshire FurryFuzz: yiff.azaccess.com 8888 | ObMedia: http://www.suck.com/ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 22:00:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id VAA11335 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (mmdf@vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA11310 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-ip126.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa03481; 3 Jun 96 21:48 EDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604014941.00724b84@mail.vivanet.com> X-Sender: mpenna@mail.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 21:49:41 -0400 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Sad to see it go Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Well, I must admit that I'm disappointed to learn that the list is shutting down, but I'm not going to be bitter about it. I must say that I've had a hell of a lot of fun being on the list these past 7 months. I've met a lot of new people by being a part of it. Many thanks go to Ratman for giving us this really cool way to talk to each other about Sonic. Thanks, Rat! You're an all-around Great Guy! :) Now it's time for the shameless plug. ;) To everybody, I will still be running #sonic on EFNet. The other ops and I will keep the channel going, at least for the time being.(No plans to shut it down at present.) I'd really appreciate it if more of you could show up every now and then, especially on Saturday nights. A really active channel is a lot more interesting than just 5 or 6 of us. So, this is my final post to the list regarding IRC. (Or so I hope.) If you can use Internet Chat, then come join us! :) I'm still open to questions or suggestions about this. Any problems, please let me know. It's been great talking to all of you guys, even though I probably qualify as one of the lurkers when it comes to posting. ;) -Matt Penna E-mail: mpenna@vivanet.com Home Page Under Construction ********************************************************************* * StH JJ1 Wks+++ AdS-->+ Son+++i Sal+++^ Tal+++it Bun+++ Rot++ Ant~ * * UnC++ Bks++ Rbk--/++ Pck--/+++ Snv~ Knu++ P+ Da $++++ Ay79 GM * ********************************************************************* From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 22:30:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id WAA14991 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA14985 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA24974 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:16:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: <960603221617_127180096@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Veiws, by Suni.... ::clapclapclap:: Well SAID, Joe!!! I have to say, I signed on, and was more of a 'lurker' than a poster. I enjoyed the fanfic (bravo, for Joe--he is very kewl, love the stories), and manyother things....and now it goes 'way?! FOR THE LOVE OF DEAR GOD! This is where the writers commence, the Freedom Fighters talk, and, we meet new friends, and now, it goes 'way. ALL BECAUSE SOME INCENSITIVE GUY WITH A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER DESTROY OUR MEETING GROUND. I'm not gonna stand for dear ole Ratty's ranting, thinkin' he can RUN the damn joint. Just cuz the blue ribbon doesn't hang in HIS head, doesn't mean WE can't post what we want. Spam *is* annoying, but tolerable to most. We just trash it. Shump. Go bye-bye. But, no, when we WANT to talk, to respond, and to enjoy company...it goes 'way. YES, this has pissed of this lady a LITTLE TOO FAR. Ya know, *I* was *kicked* off the list once. After I broke a damn rule that the KINGS (sacracsticly speakin', o'course) made up that I had no IDEA about until I got a WONDERFUL note saying I was off the list. I wrote back, and, after basicly GROVELING, I was let back on... ....AND NOW IT GOES 'WAY!!! Drawn the last straw. Dancing on my last nerve. I am mortified. We should find our OWN way to make a damn mailin' list.... And this time, it won't go 'way.. ::like Sailor Moon:: BLLUUE....RRIIBBOON...POOWWEERR!!!!! Suni da Hedgehog~* From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Mon Jun 3 23:45:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA23639 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-ls.lightspeed.net (root@new-ls.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id XAA23623 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.216.64.59] (bak-ppp-ls-023.lightspeed.net [204.216.64.59]) by new-ls.lightspeed.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id UAA08556 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606040334.UAA08556@new-ls.lightspeed.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:37:51 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: manning@lightspeed.net (Manning Richards) Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Good one Suni, How about all the story writes create a small mailing web. There we can exchange stories,ideas and views. I dont know if it sounds like a hot idea, but at least its a start. Fred"The king of Suede"Richards From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 00:00:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA00379 for sonic-ll; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA00360 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA25670 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:59:08 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA11902 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199606040354.XAA11902@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:51, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Sad to see it go Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net It was good having you around, Matt. Glad I managed to HELP THE LIST by advertising it to people like you and Eric "Sir Kain" Goodwin...Sorry, you're right, we SHOULDN'T be bitter, but dammit, I AM! >< From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 00:15:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id AAA01763 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA01659 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA45604 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:01:06 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA11890 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199606040354.XAA11890@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:49, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > Ya know, *I* was *kicked* off the list once. After I broke a damn rule >that >the KINGS (sacracsticly speakin', o'course) made up that I had no IDEA >about >until I got a WONDERFUL note saying I was off the list. I wrote back, and, >after basicly GROVELING, I was let back on... > >....AND NOW IT GOES 'WAY!!! > > Drawn the last straw. Dancing on my last nerve. I am mortified. We should >find our OWN way to make a damn mailin' list.... > > And this time, it won't go 'way.. Odd...I don't recall WRITING that...but it sounds JUST LIKE what I would say...RIGHT ON SUNI! >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 00:29:19 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id AAA01830 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA01817 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA10210 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:01:51 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA11914 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199606040354.XAA11914@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:54, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: It was fun while it lasted... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net When I found out about this list and the other Sonic fandom on the Net about a...JEEZ-UM, A YEAR AGO?!?!?! How time does fly...anywayz, as I was saying, I was in heaven when I found this territory, and I'm beyond sorry to see it go. This has been a true meeting place, where I can converse with those who share my interests...it's like everything I wanted Sonic '94/'95/'96 to be, but, for various complicated reasons, it didn't turn out as such (for one thing, it's INCREDIBLY off-topic, which is why Sir Kain left Prodigy). It's been great, guys. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite: Try not to be TOO bitter about this, guys, hard though it may be. The newsgroup remains, and there will be more mailing lists...because Sonic the Hedgehog will NEVER DIE. >< "We're gonna get us another one." - Setzer Gabbiani, Final Fantasy III From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 00:30:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id AAA01991 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA01979 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA61010 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:03:21 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA29542 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199606040354.XAA29542@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:54:47, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > The first event that turned me toward dislike of the management of >this list is one that could probably be concieved as a nearly inflammatory >move on the part of Eric, which was to utilize a posting of mine in order >to set down a new `list rule'. What transpired was that in the beginning >of my fanfic-writing career, I made it a habit to publish my stories >on the mailing list directly, and then have Bookshire grep them from his >mailspool and HTMLize it for fanfic-page consumption. I had not seen a >single post on said list about anyone disliking my practice of doing this, >and had, in fact, recieved a few positive comments. This not only >encouragedme to continue my writings, but it also gave me a mandate to >continue this practice further. Well, after I had sent one of my stories >to the list on one fateful afternoon, Eric decided to take the opportunity >to put down a new list rule. Can anyone tell me what it is? No? >Well, it was that no further stories were to be sent to the list. He used >the header of my posting, deleted all of the content of the message (even >the `On such-and-such day, X said:' line), and said in no uncertain terms >that >no further fanfic was to be sent to the list. That's all. No `good >story, Joe', no `awful story, Joe', no `nice paragraphing, Joe', but >instead a subtle incrimination that it was -MY- fault that this new >policy was being instituted. Real fucking nice, man. Yet, I kept >my mouth closed, and instead did what I was instructed to. The deep-rooted >indignation that I possess now was absent in me then, so I meekly shut up >and obeyed. It wasn't just YOU, man...I had the SAME THING happen to ME. > However, my ire was rose when people CONTINUED, -TOTALLY- unflamed, >to post fanfic to the list (and multi-part fanfic, I might add) and were, >in fact, APPLAUDED by the admins! I only saw one story after the rule was made (before getting kicked-off), and I think that was because the writer wrote in from a BBS and didn't have any way of knowing about the change in customs... > The second incident that rose my bile to a frothing cauldron of rage >was a posting I had made that I thought was not only Sonic-related, but >dealt with the problem we had at the time with Sega's legal staff regarding >the `hentai' pics Bookshire had on the page at the time. A posting on >alt.slack caught my eye during that time period that dealt with a similar >case that Warner Brothers was placing against a similar collection of >porno pics of toons. Seeing that this would be a good morale-booster >for the depressed inhabitants on the list, I chose to grep the article >from my local NNTP server, edit it a little, and post it onto the list. >It seemed quite obvious to myself and my close friends that this was >a completely on-topic post, and it would be, in fact, appreciated by >all members of the list. > > As expected, Ratman (with his utter mastery of the King's English, >not to mention his totally superior abilities in detecting -CONTEXT-) >*flamed* me for putting the article on the list, calling it one of the >most foul, odious, noxious, degrading, and generally Pink things that >one 'net surfer can call another 'net surfer's transmissions: `spam'. >Needless to say, it took a far larger expenditure of willpower to not >utterly blast Ratman off the face of the earth with my verbal gymnastics, >but I was able to again contain my rage. No disagreement HERE. *I* certainly thought a BLIND person could've seen the connection in said incident. > The third slap in the face that I refused to allow my primal instincts >to attack was not even directed toward me, but rather toward the >inhabitantsof the list as a whole. This was an incident best outlined as a >general`policy' issue, but it was a very sensitive one for me. Now, I know >operators of mailing lists have the right to say whatever they want on >the list that they operate. I have no qualms about that right, nor would >I demand it be removed due to the interests of fair and free speech. >However, during an otherwise slow time for the list, an interesting, >but somewhat off-topic thread began; it dealt with the fanfic video game >(that is still under production, BTW), and the general roles people might >play in it. I thought it was amusing enough, and didn't feel it took up >too much of my mail spool with BS. After all, it is a simple thing to >delete 30 messages a day; any jackass with a decent mail-reader can do >that in one keystroke. Yet, after a while, Ratman started bitching about >it because he had obviously lost interest in it. There was a brief >verbal scuffle, which can be supported by said members of the discussion, >and I felt that neither side was totally in the right...in fact, if it >hadn't been for Ratman's creation of a video-game list, I bet this list >would have finally collapsed a long time ago. But it takes two to tango, >petit, and this therefore can be seen as yet another reason I am >unhappy with Ratman's performance. My reaction to that was what got me kicked-off... > Fourth was perpetrated by Ratman just hours ago, when he had the >sheer gonads to dare speak afoul of one of the most brilliant, >skilled, and generally superior human beings I have had the pleasure of >reviewing the work of, Dan Drazen. He is probably one of the nicest >people I have ever read the work of, and does more for Sonic fandom >in general than most people could ever concieve of. His writings about >the Sonic comic are insightful and fair, and his fanfic is probably >several million times better than anything I could ever dream of writing. >In fact, I'd dare say that he could write `Nanny nanny boo boo' a million >times, post it, and I'd -still- like the guy. > > But, as Ratman was totally expected to do (I was tempted to start >a pool when I saw Drazen's alledgedly `irritating' post), he went off >on this great man like he was a common spammer, dissing him far too >strongly in front of the entire list for acknoledging a quite...interesting >comment written by an obvious nutcase. He should have been commended for >adding even a spittle of thought toward that individual, not crucified and >chastised by the hominid rodentia for making a minor `fluff' post. It's >not like the list was overloaded with spam at the time, anyway. I know...he probably was in a bad mood, or he would've let it pass. I agree wholly, except I don't think his writing's several million times better than MINE...just a couple hundred. ;) > And now, the fifth reason is Ratman's actual shutting down of the >list for reasons that have allegedly stretched back into the past. He >says that the system load for him is too much (sure, pal...and I suppose >the ten billon Mortal Kombat wankers that hit your site every time another >edition of that blasted game is released doesn't put an infinitesimally >higher amount of strain on that ISP of yours than some < 50 K mail messages >that are in-and-out in less than 2 minutes), and that the signal-to-noise >ratio is too low (one jerk spams us with 5 messages, and two other people >are learning how to use their mail programs...meanwhile, meaningful >discussion continues unabated), or that alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog would >be a better place, anyway (and he -admits- it's more difficult than he >initially said to get your average po'bucker admin to add a newsgroup to >your local NNTP spool, especially if it's an alt.* group...also, Quozl >himself could tell you that the average sysop is probably already wary >of the alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog group because it was allegedly created by >Tom Servo-ish methods...you think getting alt.tv.k-t-e is hard to >cajole your sysop into, just wait until he sees your request for a >group that was allegedly made by Tom Servo!) > > Now, in my opinion, this action was taken strictly as a tantrumish >lashing-out at those of us who may have offended his sensitive >sensibilities once too often, or that one was less articulate than he would >prefer, or even just because he'd stubbed his toe that morning. Who >frigging knows? All I know is that this action is totally uncalled for, >and that any human being with a sense of justice left within them would >stand up and -say- something about it. His current rationale does not >wash well with me, and I'm sure that I am not alone. Yeah, but what can you do? It's HIS server, and if he wants to clear US off it, there's nothin' WE can rightfully do to STOP him. > In closing, I will be sure to tell others about the actions of >Ratman, sysop of rat.org, throughout my various peer groups of furries, >cyberpunks, and Wired devotees; and also see to it that a new list is >createdon a different server to serve those of us still devoted to the Blue >Guy; with a more lenient sysadmin and fairer policies toward the fanfic >writer. Mark my words, fellow Freedom Fighters, I shall not rest until we >have a new list again. I refuse to allow such a hard-core group fall apart >at the seams due to the actions of one misguided individual. I'D start up a list, only that can't be done on Prodigy (YET...they might soon; as of yesterday they started reworking the whole service). Of course, that might prove a TEENSE maddening for some of you out there, as my policies are the total OPPOSITE of Rat's -- hideously liberal rather than hideously conservative -- and I'd probably let people post whatever they wanted, regardless of Sonic content. In any case, what Rat's doing seems a bit outta line, but we haven't much right to be angry, as this IS, after all, HIS turf that he's donating us. I'd do differently in his position, but I've little room to talk as I'm not there. >< Somebody's got to do it! From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 01:15:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA19535 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huey.csun.edu (huey.csun.edu [130.166.1.6]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA19522 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (vboao0f2@localhost) by huey.csun.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id WAA05263; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:08:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonic the Hedgehog X-Sender: vboao0f2@huey.csun.edu To: SonicMail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net FROM ________ _____ _____ __ __ ___/_______________(_)_______ // / _____ \_ __ \_ __ \_ /_ ___/ // /_ ____/ // /_/ / / / / / / /__ /__ __/ /____/ \____//_/ /_//_/ \___/ /_/ THE HEDGEHOG, I would like to step in and say my last farewell to you all before the list dims its lights for the umm.. final time. *sniffle* It was good getting e-mail from the list and watching the correspondence between the great ones and the interesting fans. I personally would vouch for someone else to takeover the list since Ratman's not going to take up the responsbility anymore. Thank you, Ratman, for bringing fame to my artwork and my archives. I appreciate being able to contribute to your archives. Psst.. keep your eyes open Sonic fans.. I am still working on more Sonic artwork that will be posted on the archives in the near future. I just recently got back to Canada from Northridge, CAlifornia.. its a sad thing this list has to go *poof* in so short a time. Well enough of my blabbering. please forward any requests for my artwork to vboao0f2@huey.csun.edu or.... toss 'em to me at sonic4@nucleus.com Sonic-Fully Yours (finale) Bryant Melesko Sonic The Hedgehog (May SONIC be alive all the time I'm alive ;^) ) I'm glad Sega came out with 'Sonic 4' which perfectly concides with my nick Sonic4 on irc ;^) See ya all in #sonic! From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 01:45:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA20920 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us [198.189.125.67]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id BAA20913 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (granite-d13.sierra.net [206.153.184.13]) by ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA15146 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:38:34 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604053431.0068f46c@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: dflinn@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 22:34:31 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Dan Subject: Re: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net At 06:49 PM 6/3/96 -0400, you wrote: >>To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>From: Jason Shank >>Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... >> >> I know everyone one's gona want to say good bye an stuff, but I >would like to say it anyway. Well, the mailing list was nice while it lasted >and I usually don't post much, but I wanted to say somehting before it was >shut down. I guess this is good-bye to lots of popele on the mailing list! >> >>REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the >other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you >still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the >Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC >thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is >NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on >IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're >trying to make the channel fun AND organized. >> >> Bye veryone! :) >> >> -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) >> > Uh, how many times are you planning on sending this? From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 01:59:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA20929 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us [198.189.125.67]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id BAA20919 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (granite-d13.sierra.net [206.153.184.13]) by ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA15143 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:38:31 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604053428.0068a6bc@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: dflinn@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 22:34:28 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Dan Subject: Re: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net At 06:49 PM 6/3/96 -0400, you wrote: >>To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>From: Jason Shank >>Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... >>REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the >other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you >still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the >Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC >thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is >NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on >IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're >trying to make the channel fun AND organized. >> >> Bye veryone! :) >> >> -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) >> > > That goes for me, too. I won't give Ops to anyone that's not an Op on the channel. I'd also like to say bye to everyone, Ken, Your posts have helped and I've always enjoyed them. And Dan Drazen, I've always looked forward to your reviews on Sonic comics. This list was fun while it lasted, and I learned lots of new things. Yes, it is sad that this list comes to an end, and I'm still not sure exactly why. I hope there will be another list soon to come where we can discuss the same things. Bye everyone! -Chris ^Speed^ on IRC, Speedboy on MUCK dflinn@bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 02:00:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA22702 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us [198.189.125.67]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id BAA22616 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (granite-d13.sierra.net [206.153.184.13]) by ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA15254 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 22:51:57 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604054755.006930b0@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us> X-Sender: dflinn@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 22:47:55 -0700 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Dan Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I am Speed's dad. I just happened to come across a letter from the sonic mailing list. As a teacher, I encourage my students to write, to explore, to expand their thinking, and to build lasting friendships in the process. From what I saw of the mailing list the the fun things that went on in the irc channel, I think you are all a neat bunch of people with some very creative ideas. I have just a couple of questions: 1) If you allow what has happened to ruin all of this, who really wins? Who learns that bullying works and who else learns what happens when we just give up because of some insensitivity in this world? 2) Why can't you get together collectively and solve the problem with the cooperation of the servers and the ops? Cooperation and communication, along with understanding seem, to me, to be elements we cannot let go. The response here sure seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of working this out. Oh, and regarding the takeover of the irc channel. Why not put your heads together, communicate with the servers and FIND A WAY to make things work to your benefit. Look at it as a challenge which you can accept and from which you can learn. Do not give in so easily to defeat. Good luck and hang in there. Daniel Flinn From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 02:45:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id CAA26475 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po.pacific.net.sg (po.pacific.net.sg [203.120.88.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id CAA26462 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from COMPAQ ([203.120.84.123]) by po.pacific.net.sg (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11140) with SMTP id AAA19996 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:40:44 +0800 X-Sender: prower@po.pacific.net.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: prower@pacific.net.sg (Aaron Lye Soon Choy) Subject: What can I say ? :( Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:40:44 +0800 Message-ID: <19960604064043.AAA19996@COMPAQ> Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Well ... it seems like this is goodbye . I've only been on this list for two months , but I think I've met many interesting people via this list in that short space of time . It's kept me up-to-date on a whole Sonic world I never knew existed before joining this list . It inspired me to start writing my own fan fictions AND start a webpage devoted to the blue spiky one . Thanks to all who have spent time and resources on maintaining this list . Let me take this opportunity to make some final announcements : 1)I'm really disheartened that I have not recieved any fan fiction contributions within the last month or so ... it looks like my Archives are a failure . :( I will wait for the day that another fanfic graces my screen , but I think I might be waiting in vain ... If no fanfics come , then I will sadly terminate my Sonic Webpage and devote the resources to other topics . 2)This is probably one of the last fan fictions I will write . It is called Alterations and will wrap up my Foxes and Sorcery series . I *may* write one more to conclude the Wheel series , but no confirmation as yet . Anyone interested in "Alterations" can e-mail me directly at prower@pacific.net.sg for a copy of it . 3)I'm really sad that this list has to go ... To conclude , I guess all that's left to say is farewell .... ______________________________________________________________________________ Aaron "Prower" Lye Maintainer , Sonic Fan Fiction Archives E-mail : prower@pacific.net.sg The Sonic Fan Fiction Archives : http://home.pacific.net.sg/~prower IRC Nick : TailsProw ______________________________________________________________________________ StH JJ1 WkS+++ Son++ Sal++ Tal+++t Bun++" Rot~ Ant++ Nic+ Dul+ UnC0 Bks+ Rbk0 Snv--/+ Knu+ Mut+ P+ Dwf $+++ E27 Ay78 GM ______________________________________________________________________________ Think : Say "miles per hour" fast . What do you get ? Miles Prower ! I'm guessing everyone knows this by now.... ______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 03:00:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id CAA29655 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU (root@bigboote.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id CAA29647 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU (tedp@wpi.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.6]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (8.8.Alpha.3/8.8.Alpha.3) with ESMTP id CAA17390 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:50:38 -0400 From: Theodore Patri Perrotti Received: (from tedp@localhost) by wpi.WPI.EDU (8.8.Alpha.3/8.8.Alpha.3) id CAA12802 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:50:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199606040650.CAA12802@wpi.WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: Shutting down the mailing list... To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:50:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960604053428.0068a6bc@ben.bcoe.butte.k12.ca.us> from "Dan" at Jun 3, 96 10:34:28 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I just want to thank Ratman for bringing us this list. I didn't agree with some things you did, Ratman, but you did give us all access to something wonderful. I must admit that the list slowed down greatly toward the end. But, if anyone else out there starts a new Sonic mailing list, please tell me! I'd love to join it! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Well, you do have HALF a brain."-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 07:45:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id HAA20684 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA20675 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miles--world (spr-ma3-07.ix.netcom.com [205.184.172.103]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA01516 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 04:39:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604114709.00698c88@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: danramos@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 07:47:09 -0400 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Dan Ramos Subject: Seeya! Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Well, here's *MY* final farewells to ya all. :P Can't say I blame Rat at all, I think I probably woulda shut it all down a long time ago with all the stuff he's had to put up with. And I'm sure it's not exactly a DRAIN on his system to have the list--I read the note about how insignificant this one list would be compared to everything else the server does--but then, it's one MORE resource taking up the server and a LOT less work for Rat himself to be troubled with. Which brings me to another thing--can't say I'm sorry to see the list go.. I used to post stuff a long time ago--when there were interesting things to talk about. There still are some.. but it's gotten diluted on this list with some of the most innappropriate things and with file attaches that would make any college student's mailbox with a shell account blow up if left untouched for a week. I can't understand why critisms aren't sent directly to the admins or Rat himself, if you think there's a problem--instead of either letting it pressure up inside or by flaming publicly. You know--sometimes rules are made up only AFTER things happen because someone didn't expect those things to happen. Anyway--Just my opinion. :) BTW: I happen to VERY much like the way Rat runs things, if you criticize his choices thinking that your way is the BEST way, then I guess ya just don't realize that not EVERYONE necessarily wants what you want. I also saw Rat do a HECK of a lot more good for everyone than any amount of bad anyone's listed. :P IN CLOSING! I'll miss MOST of you lurkers and most of the folks that posted really interesting and useful FAQs, ideas and topics about Sonic. Particular greetings and thanks go out to KenP, Ratman, SirKain, Orwin, Kris Kelley (I know he won't see this though.. sigh), OS/2 Eric (heh)... and a big BONK onna head ta Mason. :) G'night everyone. Take care.. and remember... http://rat.org/miles/ heheh.. HADDA plug it. :) Ciao blue-blur-buds. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 09:00:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id IAA01412 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id IAA01403 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:56:20 -0400 (EDT) From: bartrand@wolfenet.com Received: from yak-ts1-p10.wolfenet.com (yak-ts1-p10.wolfenet.com [204.157.97.176]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id FAA00544 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 05:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 05:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606041257.FAA00544@wolfe.net> X-Sender: bartrand@gonzo.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >At 06:49 PM 6/3/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>>From: Jason Shank >>>Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... >>> >>> I know everyone one's gona want to say good bye an stuff, but I >>would like to say it anyway. Well, the mailing list was nice while it lasted >>and I usually don't post much, but I wanted to say somehting before it was >>shut down. I guess this is good-bye to lots of popele on the mailing list! >>> >>>REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the >>other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you >>still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the >>Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC >>thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is >>NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on >>IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're >>trying to make the channel fun AND organized. >>> >>> Bye veryone! :) >>> >>> -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) >>> >> >Uh, how many times are you planning on sending this? > > Realy, Jay I think every bodies seen it by now. --Jarrett aka Hyp_Sonic aka Predator aka Renegade, on the sonic channle at IRC (sorry the list is going down) Scoty>"Oh no, Captin, I'm to fat and lazy to reach the controls!" From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 09:15:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA02059 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA02050 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: bartrand@wolfenet.com Received: from yak-ts1-p10.wolfenet.com (yak-ts1-p10.wolfenet.com [204.157.97.176]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id GAA01095 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606041305.GAA01095@wolfe.net> X-Sender: bartrand@gonzo.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Shutting down the mailing list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >I just want to thank Ratman for bringing us this list. I didn't agree >with some things you did, Ratman, but you did give us all access to >something wonderful. > >I must admit that the list slowed down greatly toward the end. But, if >anyone else out there starts a new Sonic mailing list, please tell me! >I'd love to join it! > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - >"Well, you do have HALF a brain."-Sonic the Hedgehog > >Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) > perrottit.mbr@asme.org > >Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester >Polytechnic Institute >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - AS a matter of fact... My friend started a new one, I should aready be in it, heres what he wrote... Its sade that Rat is closing the malinglist. I=B4ll try to make a new one. I have 2 emails, and one of them, I=B4ll use as an list:) You can send your E-mail address to me on soniccsd@inet.uni-c.dk with the text MEMBER.>The list will be on soniccsd@pip.dknet.dk The Mail will be distributet arrond ones a day. 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"Lets go to the next village" Draco> Thats easy for you to say, next time I collect the money and you= die." Dragon Heart From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 09:30:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA03570 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfe.net (mail1.wolfe.net [204.157.98.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA03555 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: bartrand@wolfenet.com Received: from yak-ts1-p10.wolfenet.com (yak-ts1-p18.wolfenet.com [204.157.97.184]) by wolfe.net (8.7.5/8.7) with SMTP id GAA01873 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606041317.GAA01873@wolfe.net> X-Sender: bartrand@gonzo.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >I am Speed's dad. I just happened to come across a letter from the sonic >mailing list. As a teacher, I encourage my students to write, to explore, >to expand their thinking, and to build lasting friendships in the process. >>From what I saw of the mailing list the the fun things that went on in the >irc channel, I think you are all a neat bunch of people with some very >creative ideas. I have just a couple of questions: > > 1) If you allow what has happened to ruin all of this, who really >wins? Who learns that bullying works and who else learns what happens when >we just give up because of some insensitivity in this world? > > 2) Why can't you get together collectively and solve the problem >with the cooperation of the servers and the ops? > >Cooperation and communication, along with understanding seem, to me, to be >elements we cannot let go. The response here sure seems to be >overwhelmingly in favor of working this out. > >Oh, and regarding the takeover of the irc channel. Why not put your heads >together, communicate with the servers and FIND A WAY to make things work to >your benefit. Look at it as a challenge which you can accept and from which >you can learn. Do not give in so easily to defeat. > >Good luck and hang in there. > > Daniel Flinn > > Hello, My name is Jarrett, I'm a friend of Speed's, and about that op thing. I would like for that every body gets op now. Theres no more bot on the channle now, yet sertant people (MilesProw in paticuler) keep geting op and let few other people use it. With no bot I don't think theres any reson we others get op, but Miles yoused to be one of the few who always got op, so hes diseded thats still going to happen, even though theres no bot to give it to him, and Miles I hope your ready this ,so you know my opinuin in this oping thing. --Jarrett aka Hyp_Sonic formaly known as Sonic or _Sonic_ "Gee, I ran out of funny things to put at the end of my letters :)" From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 10:30:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA13045 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA13036; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: forwarded message... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net it bounced since she's subscribed under a different address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:21:18 -0600 From: Jessica Ross To: sonic@lists.mv.net Cc: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Shutting down the mailing list...t'was fun, though, was'nt it??? To everyone, Too bad the lists goin' , but it's been fun!! I'll miss you all!!! By the way, there's going to be a new list by another. Hope I'll see you there. Jessie From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 10:45:19 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA14209 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA14201; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:33:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List In-Reply-To: <960603221617_127180096@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > I'm not gonna stand for dear ole Ratty's ranting, thinkin' he can RUN the > damn joint. I'm afraid I do run the joint. And thanks for that informative post. I'll have to reevaluate my other mailing lists and see if they also have the attitude that I owe them, and how dare I try to control it. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 11:00:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA13212 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA13194; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Sonic cartoon Christmas special (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net another forwarded message. he was subscribed as mike.wallis@sega.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 20:48:00 PDT From: Wallis, Mike To: Sonic mailing list Subject: Sonic cartoon Christmas special Just want to let you all know that this Christmas there will be a new Sonic special shown around Thanksgiving. Animation done by DiC. Sorry, I can't provide any additional information. Too bad this list is going to stop. :( -Mike From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 11:15:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA16910 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id KAA16894; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List In-Reply-To: <199606040114.VAA17207@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Joseph Delacroix wrote: > As expected, Ratman (with his utter mastery of the King's English, > not to mention his totally superior abilities in detecting -CONTEXT-) > *flamed* me for putting the article on the list, calling it one of the Yeah, what a jerk I am. I provide this free service, and do such a crappy job at it. Here, i'll give you a full refund. I tell ya, I appreciate you making it easier for me to shut this thing down. I felt kinda bad about it, but this helps make me feel better about it. And if this "rat bashing" becomes a trend, I think i'd like to shut it down right now. I'll see how it goes today and tomorrow. But I'd rather give it the full week for people to say their goodbyes, and possibly advertise for other forums people can use to discuss Sonic. So yes, this is my frigging mailing list dammit, I'm not about to sit by and watch people band together to say what a jerk I am. You can't tell me you wouldn't do the same thing. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 11:45:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id LAA23755 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id LAA23744 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15395 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:38:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@lists.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960604113843.6ad5@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sonic cartoon Christmas special (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >From: Wallis, Mike >Just want to let you all know that this Christmas there will be a new Sonic >special shown around Thanksgiving. Animation done by DiC. Sorry, I can't >provide any additional information. Not even whether it's based on the Sat. AM or daily show??? Ron From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 12:30:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id MAA01559 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu (rgfn.epcc.edu [206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA01552 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15879; Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:24:18 MDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:24:18 MDT Message-Id: <9606041624.AA15879@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: My good-bye to the Discussion Group. Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Hi guys. I would like to express my gratitude for allowing me to be apart of the Sonic Discussion Group for the 8 months I served on it. I would like to thank you all for allowing me to contribute my time, talents, and effort, to help make the Sonic Discussion Group as enjoyable, and informative, as possible. Ratman, I salute you for maintinaing the group for as long as you have. I am truly sorry that you decided to shut it down, but I understand your reasoning in doing so. If I was doing something for so long, and wasn't getting but flak for doing so, I would quit too. So...I guess this is goodbye . I really hate to see it go. But when another Sonic discussion group surfaces, you bet I'll be there!!! But for now, I must say farewell. BTW. All persons who have the Sonic Code in their signatures are still authorized to keep it in their sigs. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 13:15:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA08625 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id NAA08611 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mighty.en.com (mighty.en.com [207.78.10.12]) by en.com (8.7.4/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA19710 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606041707.NAA19710@en.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Doug LoConti" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:10:42 +0000 Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Joseph Delacroix wrote: > > > As expected, Ratman (with his utter mastery of the King's English, > > not to mention his totally superior abilities in detecting -CONTEXT-) > > *flamed* me for putting the article on the list, calling it one of the > > Yeah, what a jerk I am. I provide this free service, and do such a crappy > job at it. Here, i'll give you a full refund. > I tell ya, I appreciate you making it easier for me to shut this thing down. > I felt kinda bad about it, but this helps make me feel better about it. It's not weather or not you feel bad. I don't *blame* you (or anyone,) it's just that the list is STILL IN USE! It's not like the posts are dead.... weather we talk about Sonic or Spew, haven't I always stressed, the point is to have fun? And if your orrigional purpose was to establish a list where people HAVE FUN, GOOD JOB! You've done it! Don't un-do what you've done. ON THE OTHER HAND>... if it's only purpose was a stricly regulated status check on Sonic stuff... man, I had you all wrong. > And if this "rat bashing" becomes a trend, I think i'd like to shut it > down right now. I'll see how it goes today and tomorrow. > But I'd rather give it the full week for people to say their goodbyes, > and possibly advertise for other forums people can use to discuss Sonic. Please, no threats. I don't care how much power people have, I HATE them holding it over the little folk's head(s).... > So yes, this is my frigging mailing list dammit, I'm not about to sit by and > watch people band together to say what a jerk I am. You can't tell me you > wouldn't do the same thing. I wouldn't. I'd let well enough alone. But that's me. :) -MiGHTY "Let the truth be spoken, the man's morals are broken!" -Queensryche From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 13:30:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA10920 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA10888 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27829; Tue, 4 Jun 96 13:32:20 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 40762W Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:25:37 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Shutting down the mailing list... Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:59:21 GMT Message-Id: <9606041325378850@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@lists.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net -> From: Theodore Patri Perrotti -> -> I must admit that the list slowed down greatly toward the end. But, -> if anyone else out there starts a new Sonic mailing list, please -> tell me! I'd love to join it! -> -> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -> ------- "Well, you do have HALF a brain."-Sonic the Hedgehog At the risk of sounding like a me too, me too. If a new list does get bereated, I should like to be informed. Dead list. Bleah. Smells bad. Oh well, nothing good lasts forever, unlike dandruff, which never goes away... rob From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 13:45:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA10929 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA10906 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27833; Tue, 4 Jun 96 13:32:21 EDT Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 40763W Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:25:38 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Sonic cartoon Christmas special (fwd) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:04:15 GMT Message-Id: <9606041325388851@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@lists.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net -> From: Ratman -> To: lists.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) -> Subject: Sonic cartoon Christmas special (fwd) -> -> another forwarded message. -> he was subscribed as mike.wallis@sega.com -> -> -> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- -> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 20:48:00 PDT -> From: Wallis, Mike -> To: Sonic mailing list -> Subject: Sonic cartoon Christmas special -> -> -> Just want to let you all know that this Christmas there will be a -> new Sonic special shown around Thanksgiving. Animation done by DiC. -> Sorry, I can't provide any additional information. -> -> Too bad this list is going to stop. :( -> -> -> -Mike -> -> Well, before the lists goes belly up-- What CHANNEL? rob From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 13:52:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA10560 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA10542; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List In-Reply-To: <199606041707.NAA19710@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > > And if this "rat bashing" becomes a trend, I think i'd like to shut it > > down right now. I'll see how it goes today and tomorrow. > > But I'd rather give it the full week for people to say their goodbyes, > > and possibly advertise for other forums people can use to discuss Sonic. > > Please, no threats. I don't care how much power people have, I HATE > them holding it over the little folk's head(s).... It's not a matter of me holding it over anyone's head. I'm just giving a warning. I'd rather give people a chance than just shut it off early. Given a choice between watching 5 days of flames being spammed to the list, or no posts at all, I'd choose nothing. I really just don't want to see people whine. It's not productive. Now if someone wants to provide an alternative, then fine, but a long-winded "ratman is a jerk" post, I'd rather avoid those. But I do want to give people a chance to say their goodbyes... wait, I already said that. Do I always have to re-explain myself? From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 14:00:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA10953 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA10943 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA12104; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:43 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id NAA11999; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199606041726.NAA11999@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic cartoon Christmas special (fwd) To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Ratman" at Jun 4, 96 10:25:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 20:48:00 PDT > From: Wallis, Mike > To: Sonic mailing list > Subject: Sonic cartoon Christmas special > > > Just want to let you all know that this Christmas there will be a new Sonic > special shown around Thanksgiving. Animation done by DiC. Sorry, I can't > provide any additional information. > > Too bad this list is going to stop. :( > > -Mike > Yikes! Does this mean that DiC and Sega have made nice? All the more reason to hope that an animated film just might come together one of these days. My $.02 on THAT subject: PLEASE try to get Allee and Hurst back on board to write it. Even good vocal work can't save a lame script. ================================================================ || ___------__ || Daniel J. Drazen || |\__-- /\ _- || drazen@andrews.edu || | / __ _ ||Sonic: "Whoa, you're not going to || //\ / \ /__ || use the L-word, are you?" || | o| 0|__ --_ ||Tails: "Well...." || \\____-- __ \ ___ - ||Sonic: "Then I will...I love you, || (@@ __/ / /_ || little bro." || -_____--- --_ ||AoStH: "Tails' New Home" ================================================================ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 14:07:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA10932 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id NAA10915 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mighty.en.com (mighty.en.com [207.78.10.12]) by en.com (8.7.4/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA21421 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606041728.NAA21421@en.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Doug LoConti" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:31:23 +0000 Subject: MY important notice to RAT (pleez read) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: > > > THIS, Rat, is a low blow. I JUST GOT BACK, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, AND NOW > > THIS!!! Now, I know I said I'd try not to attack your authority or > > anything like that, but the Mettle thing I got kicked-off for had a real > > REASON, whereas THIS...well, I don't see one here. This whole THING is > > ridiculous...whether they have an excuse or NOT, some people just aren't > > going to CARRY a.f.s-h, whereas EVERYBODY'S got E-MAIL. In any case, > > there's nothing I can do to STOP you, but STILL, this is ridiculous. > > It is ridiculous for you to assume that I owe you this service. Lack of > appreciation like this makes me wish I had shut it down sooner. Though I can > only hope you and your attitude is in the minority. Rat, let's be sensable: the government, (for example,) doesn't OWE us the privlidge to drive, (it IS a priv., federal roads and all,) but if you woke up tomarrow and heard an announcement, "This is Bill Twiton, you can no longer drive-any of you!" Wouldn't you be a bit pissed? So it's natural to assume that people WILL be pissed, or sad to say the least. And why make someone sad? Tell me how to set up a list and it'll become MY responsibility, if it's really too much to ask from you. > > Yes, I KNOW I posted this to the list, but I assumed that THIS topic is > > something important, with which the other users would agree. > > It doesn't matter anyway since the list is going away soon. You don't seem to care. You always (have had) this chip on your shoulder. Mind explaining why? I'm not trying to be mean, but I just want to reason this thing out, find another way for it to live on. I'm trying to show dedication. Help me this once, and it will forever more atone you, (no longer be your problem.) So...? From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 14:11:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA10928 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sard.mv.net (root@sard.mv.net [192.80.84.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id NAA10894 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by sard.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) with SMTP id NAA07139 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11951; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:22:50 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id NAA11822; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:22:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199606041722.NAA11822@edmund> Subject: Sonic #37 Review -- for FAQ File To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:22:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Well, something went wrong...er, RIGHT...with Archie's distribution system and I actually found a copy of #37 on the newsstand on June 3. So let me post this before the list goes bye-bye. Consider this your usual SPOILERS alert: #37 [Aug 1996] I'm getting tired of these covers by Spaziante...NOT!!! Sonic in freefall (apparently) holding Sally in his arm. Nice design - - call it "The Mobian Pieta." And if you don't know what I'm talking about, get thee to a library and read up on the sculptures of Michelangelo [the sculptor, not the turtle!]. "The Day Robotropolis Fell" Story: Angelo DeCesare/Art: Brian Thomas Sonic and Sally rendezvous with Uncle Chuck in Robotropolis, who breaks the news to them that Robotnik has predicted that an earthquake is going to hit the city (Excuse me, Dr. Robotnik, some gentlemen from Cal Tech have just arrived; they keep talking about "the big one" so I assume they mean you...). Robotnik's plan is to hover over the city in a giant saucer-like craft loaded with his SWATbots until the quake ends. He doesn't particularly care what happens to the worker bots (i.e., roboticized Mobians) but Uncle Chuck does. Uncle Chuck's plan: while Robotnik is hovering, they enter his HQ, reactivate the deroboticizer (gee, that's the first I've heard of it!) and treat as many worker bots as possible before the quake hits. This assumes what Uncle Chuck doesn't: that Robotnik left a comfortable margin between takeoff and the quake. Unable to deroboticize the Mobians one at a time, he plans to blow up the roboticizer by overloading it, counting on the diffusion to deroboticize the Mobians in bulk, as it were. Sounds to me like the scientific equivalent of supply-side economics, but never mind. In the resulting blast, Uncle Chuck is NOT effected while the rest of the worker bots are. Uncle Chuck and DeCesare don't bother to explain how this could have happened before the next tremor comes down the pike. Rotor just happens to arrive with a transport plane, but it proves to be too small. Sally pulls rank and orders Uncle Chuck onto the plane -- OK, so it's not exactly the airport scene from "Casablanca." While Sally tries to find out from Nicole what's the best way out of Robotropolis during an earthquake, a sizable chunk of masonry lands on top of her. If this weren't a comic book, she'd be a stain on the pavement; as it is, she's unconscious and it's up to Sonic to get her out of town. They manage, and we eventually see Sally with her head bandaged and her arm in a sling. Robotnik lands and resolves to rebuild, relying on a satellite-based force field to protect the city during its reconstruction. I'll leave it to the Californians on the list as to whether DeCesare's depiction of a quake is credible; me, I had enough troubles with this story. Uncle Chuck is suffering from a bad case of logic deficiency in this one: the business with the deroboticizer--It will be most effective if I overload it to the point of destroying it--reminds me too much of some of the plot problems with "Steel-Belted Sally" (#29). There's no way ALL of the roboticized Mobians could have converged on the deroboticizer just in time for the explosion so some of them had to have been victims of the quake, just as there's no way Sally could have avoided becoming a blob of royal jelly after that masonry fell on her. Nor do we ever find out how Uncle Chuck escaped the effects of the deroboticizer, or how Rotor was able to get a plane from Deus Ex Machina Airlines into the city in time. The premise of the story was good, as was the artwork, but the more you think about the plot the more it turns into a no-brainer. Sonic Art: I thought Brian Thomas had drawn the eyes of the characters in "The Day Robotropolis Fell" too big--Sally especially looked as if she belonged in a black velvet painting-- until I saw Charles Kusiak's fanart. You could drive a TRUCK through those pupils! Bunnie's Worst Nightmare Story and Art: Rich Koslowski[debut] Bunnie's first solo effort starts out with quite a premise: What starts out as an annoying itch turns out to be a spreading case of roboticization. Thanks to a convenient hologram of Robotnik to describe the plot, it turns out that Bunnie may have been partially roboticized at one time, but a "microscopic device" implant has started to finish the job. On the verge of total roboticization, she leaves Knothole. After traveling all night she falls asleep and wakes up to...The Old Dream Ending! It's a pity Rich was only given 8 pages to play with; with another 8 pages, this could have been the story it was meant to be. It's not that this ground hasn't been travelled before: it has, in everything from "The Amazing Colossal Man" to "Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde" to the remake of "The Fly": what it's like for someone to gradually lose their humanity (or in Bunnie's case, to borrow a word from Richard Adams, her "animality") while becoming something else. If you'll allow me, here's how it could have played: At first Bunnie ignores the first signs of change, though she may even have a suspicion as to what it may mean. This proves the saying heard in 12 Step groups: Denial ain't just a river in Egypt! Then the condition continues its slow, relentless possession of her. I think it wouldn't be too strong to say that, from Bunnie's point of view, this gradual takeover of her bod must feel like slow-motion rape. An off-hand remark from one of her friends (spoken in innocence by Tails or in ignorance by Antoine) lets the reader know that she's not just turning into a machine but also into one of Robotnik's minions. After the obligatory note scene, she starts to leave Knothole but is intercepted by Sally who tries one last time to talk her into staying. After a tearful farewell, Bunnie begins to leave, then pauses. Sally, ever hopeful, runs over to her, only to discover that Bunnie's transformation is complete and that she's gone over to the Dark Side, as it were. She now has a new set of priorities, the first of which is: "DETAIN FREEDOM FIGHTERS. BY ORDER OF ROBOTNIK." I'm not trying to brag, but I barely broke a sweat coming up with this enhancement to the story line. Yet I also couldn't help but think of (if you'll allow me to get momentarily off- topic) an episode of Disney's "Aladdin." In this one ep, Jasmine begins turning into a kind of serpent creature due to a spell by Mirage, an evil being. She and Al journey in search of a possible cure. When all attempts to get at the cure are foiled by Mirage and Jasmine's transformation into a monster is complete, Al takes it upon himself to become the same kind of creature as she has become, for the sake of love. I mention this because while Rich does a good job of showing what is happening--the plot certainly moves right along--there's not much room in the story for all but the most superficial treatment of Bunnie's emotional state. Her emotional landscape is painted only in the broadest strokes; this was the fatal flaw that made Tails' change of heart at the end of "Southern Crossover" [Tails miniseries #3] patently unbelievable. Perhaps this goes back to the question of the core audience of the comic, but the Aladdin ep mentioned above demonstrates that it is possible to tell such a story without dumbing it down emotionally. I look upon this story as eight pages of "what might have been." As glad as I am to see Bunnie getting a solo shot, I really believe she deserved better. Sonic-Grams: hint that the theme of a devastated Robotropolis will continue and that Sonic will become a slow-mo. Plug for Knuckles #2, and a hint that Sonic will finally have a date with the Roboticizer in #39. Cute depiction of Joe Pepitone as Robotnik and Fred Mendez as a computer program. Lyrics to a Sonic song, and a couple guesses as to the identity of Archimedes, with an actual answer! Almost a full page of names of readers who have written--major headache! Will attempts to post further synopses and FAQs to the home page whereon the Faq File resides. Otherwise, I may actually have to (dare I say it?) SPEND MONEY for a computer and a subscription to CompuServe or AOL! My current machine at home -- an XT vanilla clone I got as a castoff from my brother-in-law -- can no longer read its own hard drive. And my lunch hour at work is just about... From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 14:15:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id NAA13518 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA13235 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA12672; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:44:10 -0400 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id NAA12850; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:44:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199606041744.NAA12850@edmund> Subject: Up, Over and Gone To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:44:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net What can I say? I enjoyed the discussions (for the most part), I STILL haven't figured out how to MU* my way to Knothole, and I got to check out the trends in fanfic while posting my own humble efforts. Thanks to Ron for appreciating the reviews, Dave for posting my stories (I've got a few more in development so don't turn off your homepage just yet), Ken Penders from breaking out of Lurkerland to defend the honor of Scott Fulop and to banish my ignorance of the funny book business, and everyone who thought that my own attempts at stringing electrons together made a positive contribution to the world of Sonic fanfic. One way or another, we'll be back. Maybe on alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog, maybe on some other list. Pass the word along to rec.arts.animation when and if something new should come to pass -- I'd suggest posting to one of the rec.arts.comics groups but that X-Men crowd seems to have staked it out as their territory: "There aren't enough FUNNY comics! They're mostly scary stories with big words about these muscle people doing nasty things to each other!" [from: "One Big Happy", 4/1/96] For the last time (until the next time), my schmaltzy Sonic sig: ================================================================ || ___------__ || Daniel J. Drazen || |\__-- /\ _- || drazen@andrews.edu || | / __ _ ||Sonic: "Whoa, you're not going to || //\ / \ /__ || use the L-word, are you?" || | o| 0|__ --_ ||Tails: "Well...." || \\____-- __ \ ___ - ||Sonic: "Then I will...I love you, || (@@ __/ / /_ || little bro." || -_____--- --_ ||AoStH: "Tails' New Home" ================================================================ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 15:00:19 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id OAA22946 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id OAA22930 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from primenet.com (root@usr2.primenet.com [198.68.32.12]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA29876 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA04265; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:46:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:46:28 -0700 (MST) From: Dave Pistone To: Sonic Mailing List Subject: A few thoughts. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net **appears from the dark shadows to voice a few thoughts** First...my page isn't going anywhere. I'm a little behind in a few things, but I still accept stories at the same address (rotor@primenet.com). And I'll still post (or try to) any stories I get. As for the end of this list... Well...I can't say that I'm not sorry to see it go, because I am. I find that, through all the spam and snide comments and flame wars...every now and again, legetimate topics popped up, as well as story, movie and game notices. Not to mention several thoughts on the ways of Mobian life. It is unfortunate that, apparently, nobdy else has a system with which to take of the functioning of the list. (Although there are a few things happening at my end right now that may allow me to swtart my own in a month or two...) Anyway, so long to all...keep reading, and ESPECIALLY writing. +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 15:15:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id PAA27708 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id PAA27688 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id PAA09556; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:09:30 -0400 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199606041909.PAA09556@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:09:30 -0400 From: hk512@cleveland.freenet.edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Ratman then said: >> > And if this "rat bashing" becomes a trend, I think i'd like to shut it >> > down right now. I'll see how it goes today and tomorrow. >> > But I'd rather give it the full week for people to say their goodbyes, >> > and possibly advertise for other forums people can use to discuss Sonic. >> >> Please, no threats. I don't care how much power people have, I HATE >> them holding it over the little folk's head(s).... > >It's not a matter of me holding it over anyone's head. I'm just giving a >warning. It's a threat, Ratman. You're taking away a very useful communications tool from these people already, so saying you might do it a little early is quite a damaging thing to do. >I'd rather give people a chance than just shut it off early. Your statement seems contridictory to your previous actions and statements. >Given a choice between watching 5 days of flames being spammed to the list, >or no posts at all, I'd choose nothing. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. That's a documented scientific law, you know. >I really just don't want to see people whine. It's not productive. Well, Ratman, perhaps if you weren't basically taking away several people's friends, then maybe we'd be a little nicer to you. After all, if I chose to shoot you in the leg, I'd expect that you'd say something about it to the effect of `hey, that's not nice'. >Now if someone wants to provide an alternative, then fine, but a >long-winded "ratman is a jerk" post, I'd rather avoid those. Ratman, if you would have read my statement, you would realize that said message has a lot of valid points in it; and that perhaps if you took some of my suggestions to heart, there might be a hope that you would realize the error of your ways and keep this list operating. It wasn't just a flame of you, it was a detailed list of your negative actions toward other people on this list that probably discouraged a lot of the so called `on-topic' posts which you so desired. Think about this logically for a moment, Ratman. If people get yelled at for posting tidbits of news relevant to Sonic fandom, posting fanfic stories, or participating in a thread regarding the creation of a new kind of Sonic fandom, what's left? Not a lot, except for Drazen's FAQ additions and the occasional spam blitzkreig by a newbie. >But I do want to give people a chance to say their goodbyes... wait, I >already said that. Do I always have to re-explain myself? Your statement had been noted already, Ratman. It's just a matter of the remainder of us being irate at your actions. Joe. -- FurryMUCK: furry.org 8888 (Joe_Fox) | Joseph deLaCroix hk512@po.cwru.edu SPR: svansmoj.ctrl-c.liu.se (Joe) | The CDA is bad. http://www.eff.com/ FT: 198.211.131.13 9999 (Joe) | StH Fanfic -- http://rat.org/bookshire FurryFuzz: yiff.azaccess.com 8888 | ObMedia: http://www.suck.com/ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 15:26:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id OAA25534 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id OAA25509 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id OAA06398; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:59:30 -0400 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199606041859.OAA06398@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:59:30 -0400 From: hk512@cleveland.freenet.edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Ratman replied: >On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Joseph Delacroix wrote: > >> As expected, Ratman (with his utter mastery of the King's English, >> not to mention his totally superior abilities in detecting -CONTEXT-) >> *flamed* me for putting the article on the list, calling it one of the > >Yeah, what a jerk I am. I provide this free service, and do such a crappy >job at it. Here, i'll give you a full refund. Oh, I see. You can do whatever the hell you feel like to me, and I gotta keep my yap shut and take it from you? Well, sorry, I don't allow people to treat me in that way for very long. It's obvious that you won't, either. And I know it's so bloody hard to maintain one of these things, too. I used to run several remailers on a Freenet (this one, in fact) with no shell access and only a .forward file that had to be manually edited when I wanted to add a new user. Often, I'd have to transfer a file sent to myself to the list due to misdirection on the part of the user. You, on the other hand, have a totally automated remailer that you occasionally take control of when someone spams it. -You- have absolutely no day-to-day need to operate the thing, and you don't even do it yourself. Anyway, Ratman, where'd the rest of my post go? No comments on it? No denials about what I said? Absolutely nothing to add besides the below thug-like threat and sneer? Not even a `I did not'? Somehow, Ratman, I expected you to behave in this way. You never were the type to sit down and discuss an issue rationally, were you? Nay, it's either you're right or everyone else is wrong. God forbid you might consider the shades of gray. >I tell ya, I appreciate you making it easier for me to shut this thing down. >I felt kinda bad about it, but this helps make me feel better about it. Do you enjoy making other people suffer, Ratman? Apparently, you take great pleasure in watching those of us who loved this list twist in the wind while you dangle the sword of Damocles over this forum. Needless to say, you've made it far easier for -me- to motivate my friends to start up a new mailing list. After all, next to the fear of death, rage is the second best motivational tool. >And if this "rat bashing" becomes a trend, I think i'd like to shut it >down right now. I'll see how it goes today and tomorrow. How do you sleep at night, Ratman? Can you honestly say to me that hurting so many other people is not a problem for you? Perhaps that MK crowd of yours has zeroed your empathy levels... >But I'd rather give it the full week for people to say their goodbyes, >and possibly advertise for other forums people can use to discuss Sonic. It's too late to apply damage control, Ratman. >So yes, this is my frigging mailing list dammit, I'm not about to sit by and >watch people band together to say what a jerk I am. You can't tell me you >wouldn't do the same thing. Actually, I wouldn't be taking away the list in the first place. I'd just let it fix itself, eventually. And if that didn't work, I'd help to start a thread that would get people's minds back on-topic. Also, Ratman, I'd sit and take my medicine for my past misdeeds, rather than editing them all away and trying to shift the blame onto someone else. If -I- thought someone had said something bad about me, I'd take issue with them in a logical, scientific fashion, proving that what the other person(s) said was incorrect. In closing, if this be the message that stopped this list prematurely, so be it. It will only make my resolution to win a new list stronger. I will not cowtow to you again. Joe. -- FurryMUCK: furry.org 8888 (Joe_Fox) | Joseph deLaCroix hk512@po.cwru.edu SPR: svansmoj.ctrl-c.liu.se (Joe) | The CDA is bad. http://www.eff.com/ FT: 198.211.131.13 9999 (Joe) | StH Fanfic -- http://rat.org/bookshire FurryFuzz: yiff.azaccess.com 8888 | ObMedia: http://www.suck.com/ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 16:30:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA09501 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA09493; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: new mailing lists In-Reply-To: <9606041325378850@jaguar.ac.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > At the risk of sounding like a me too, me too. If a new list does > get bereated, I should like to be informed. I'm going to maintain a web page that will have information about other sonic lists. Hopefully this will smooth the transition to any new list. http://rat.org/sonic/list.html If anyone wants me to put information about their mailing list, I will add it. I will not give out the subscriber list to anyone, or post to the list of subscribers advertising for other mailing lists after I shut it down, so don't ask. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 17:00:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA13822 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA13809 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA28262 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:47:42 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA29654 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042044.QAA29654@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:27, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: MY important notice to RAT (pleez re Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Doug, of all the people who've said ANYTHING regarding the cancellation...YOU are CERTAINLY the most rational. I thank you, for giving me the best example I've ever seen of rationally discussing one's opinions rather than frothing at the mouth. 8) >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 17:15:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA14731 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA14703 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA46490 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:49:00 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA16580 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042044.QAA16580@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:23, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net To quote Cyan Garamonde, from Final Fantasy III: "Simmer down, Sirs." Rat, I can't say that I BLAME you for shutting the list down, but you can't expect to take something away from such die-hard fans and not have any angry responses. You also have to admit that you HAVE had your inadequecies in the past -- anyone who says they've always been right is an arrogant, lying Benny-wannabe. (Sorry. Inside joke.) People SHOULD let sleeping dogs lie, but on the other hand, if they DON'T, you shouldn't respond the same way. Though every last one of us owes you thanks, YOU owe each of US an apology, at LEAST for the closing. In any case, I'm trying NOT to take sides, but the more this progresses, the less oriented I am to defending you. >< Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of Magic. - Arthur C. Clarke From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 17:15:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA11539 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (mmdf@vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA11343 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm4-ip147.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa28042; 4 Jun 96 16:42 EDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604204406.0072c180@mail.vivanet.com> X-Sender: mpenna@mail.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 16:44:06 -0400 To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: #sonic op policy Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >Hello, My name is Jarrett, I'm a friend of Speed's, and about that op thing. >I would like for that every body gets op now. Theres no more bot on the >channle now, yet sertant people (MilesProw in paticuler) keep geting op and >let few other people use it. With no bot I don't think theres any reson we >others get op, but Miles yoused to be one of the few who always got op, so >hes diseded thats still going to happen, even though theres no bot to give >it to him, and Miles I hope your ready this ,so you know my opinuin in this >oping thing. MilesProw here. Unfortunately, Jarrett, that will NOT work. Op status is not a toy to be played around with. I have made that opping policy known to all for one simple reason: If I play favorites with certain people, everyone will expect to be opped. If everyone is opped, including those people that I don't even know, the channel will be taken over, and all of us will be thrown out by the troublemakers. That is a foregone conclusion. Once this happens, there's not much that can be done, save a few 'creative' things that I might try. ;) But most of the time, I am powerless to do anything to help the situation once we've been thrown out and banned. I stand by my decision. -Matt Penna E-mail: mpenna@vivanet.com Home Page Under Construction ********************************************************************* * StH JJ1 Wks+++ AdS-->+ Son+++i Sal+++^ Tal+++it Bun+++ Rot++ Ant~ * * UnC++ Bks++ Rbk--/++ Pck--/+++ Snv~ Knu++ P+ Da $++++ Ay79 GM * ********************************************************************* From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 17:29:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id QAA12369 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.ptd.net (root@ns1.ptd.net [198.80.46.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id QAA12281 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JAYBIRD (cs1-06.lfd.ptd.net [204.186.41.6]) by ns1.ptd.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04976 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606042044.QAA04976@ns1.ptd.net> X-Sender: sonic2@postoffice.ptd.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Jason Shank Subject: BIG opps!! sorry! Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net At 05:57 AM 6/4/96 -0700, you wrote: >>At 06:49 PM 6/3/96 -0400, you wrote: >>>>To: sonic@lists.mv.net >>>>From: Jason Shank >>>>Subject: Shutting down the mailing list... >>>> >>>> I know everyone one's gona want to say good bye an stuff, but I >>>would like to say it anyway. Well, the mailing list was nice while it lasted >>>and I usually don't post much, but I wanted to say somehting before it was >>>shut down. I guess this is good-bye to lots of popele on the mailing list! >>>> >>>>REMEMBER: #You can still go to #sonic on IRC an stuff, but me,Matt, and the >>>other Ops are starting to get anyoed by people trying to cause choas. If you >>>still would like to go there, PLEASE see the Sonic IRC guige thingie at the >>>Sonic resourse page (Ratman's page). One last thing about the Sonic IRC >>>thing, I will no longer give out Op to anyone who isn't supose to, this is >>>NOT to be mean, but we have enough allready and I'm sure Matt (MilesProw on >>>IRC) would agree that things are getting a littel out of hand, so we're >>>trying to make the channel fun AND organized. >>>> >>>> Bye veryone! :) >>>> >>>> -Jaybird (IRC+SPR MUCK name) >>>> >>> >>Uh, how many times are you planning on sending this? >> >> >Realy, Jay I think every bodies seen it by now. Uhh, my E-mail thing was more messed up then I though. Trust me, I didn't plan on sneding 4 or 5 exact same letters! Sorry for any trouble! *kick his computer!* (Didn't I say something messed it messed up before anyway? oh well *sorrys again*) From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 17:45:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA18755 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA18738; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:30:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: MY important notice to RAT (pleez read) In-Reply-To: <199606041728.NAA21421@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > > It is ridiculous for you to assume that I owe you this service. Lack of > > appreciation like this makes me wish I had shut it down sooner. Though I can > > only hope you and your attitude is in the minority. > > Rat, let's be sensable: the government, (for example,) doesn't OWE us Yes, the government owes us. But I guess you don't pay taxes yet. Would you like to pay me taxes? If you paid me, and I didn't follow through on the agreement, then you would have reason to bitch. Otherwise, shut the hell up. I'm sick of hearing this. > > It doesn't matter anyway since the list is going away soon. > > You don't seem to care. It's pointless to try to enforce list policy when there is about to be no list. And I do care, otherwise I would have just shut the list down without warning. Ever consider that? > You always (have had) this chip on your shoulder. Mind explaining why? It just upsets me when people forget that this is a free service that I am providing, and refuse to respect that. People still post binaries and fan fiction regardless of how much I bitched about it. And I get "how dare that mean ratman tell me not to do this". The reaction to me shutting the list down makes me even more bitter. I don't owe any of you anything. And after seeing some of the flames and personal attacks against me, I wish I had known about those people so I could have banned them from the list sooner. As much as people don't like the fact, this list is on MY server, and if people don't like it, they can get the hell out. I don't have to explain why, it is my decision. This is not a democracy. For example, if EVERYONE wrote me and said they wanted fanfic to be permitted to be posted, do you think I would allow it? I don't think so. But this is all a moot point since this list will be no more. The upside to this, is nobody HAS TO be here. If everyone hated the way I ran things, someone else could make their own mailing list, and everyone would join that. But I'll try not to let the flames get me down, I did see a few nice thank-you's from people. I do appreciate it. So to people that said thank you, I say "I appreciate it, and you're welcome", and I'm sorry to see you go. And to those freeloading scum, I say, "I wish you had shown your true colors before so I could have kicked your ungrateful ass off." Note I have unsubscribed hk512@cleveland.freenet.edu since I don't feel like reading any other posts by him. And I'd like to thank Erich, who was the real list admin. I owned the list, but I asked him to run it, which he did. His job was to be the person behind owner-sonic@lists.mv.net that people could ask questions to. Also he had the dredded task of unsubscribing invalid email addresses. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 18:00:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA22815 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com (pimaia2y.prodigy.com [198.83.18.95]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA22804 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime3.prodigy.com ([192.168.253.27]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA21728 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:20:47 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAB16182 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:16:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042116.RAB16182@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: Ashura@prodigy.com (NATE HARTEL) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:16:57, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >::like Sailor Moon:: Yeah DiC, almost canceled that too. I still don't beleave there are over 10,000 people sig's on the SOS! Normaly I wouldn't post off subject but, well, we only have 'till this weekend Major Sailor Moon Wacko on the premises: Ashura Hedgehog |Ashura@prodigy.com| "I like the decabals just where they are, WAAAAAHH!" -Serena "Meatballhead!" -Darien From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 18:15:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id RAA20144 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inet.uni-c.dk (inet.uni-c.dk [130.228.6.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA20122 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arh173.ppp.uni-c.dk (arh173.ppp.uni-c.dk [130.228.13.173]) by inet.uni-c.dk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01344 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:40:56 +0200 Received: by arh173.ppp.uni-c.dk with Microsoft Mail id <01BB526E.FC284B80@arh173.ppp.uni-c.dk>; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:38:51 +-200 Message-ID: <01BB526E.FC284B80@arh173.ppp.uni-c.dk> From: Commander Sonic Data To: "'sonic@lists.mv.net'" Subject: NEW SONIC MALINGLIST:D Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:38:10 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BB526E.FCB7BA40" Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB526E.FCB7BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I said in my last lether, I=B4m making a new malinglist. It=B4s = continuing from Rats list, and if you wana join, then send me an E-mail = on this address: soniccsd@inet.uni-c.dk SUBJECT: Member. Include your E-mail in the text ariea. Se yoa on:) (Dont blaim Rat, for his choice:) ) The list will be working from Saturday this week =DA=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C2=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=BF =B3 =B3 =C9=CD=CD=CD =C9=CD=CD=CD = =C9=CD=CD=BB =C9=CD=CD=BB =B3 =B3 ___------__ =B3 =CC=CD=CD =CC=CD=CD =CD=CD = =BA =BA =B3 =B3 |\__-- /\ _- =B3 =CA =CA =C8=CD=CD=BC = =C8=CD=CD=BC =B3 =B3 | / __ _ =B3 the Freedom Fighters Command Central = Kothole =B3 =B3 //\ / \ /__ = =C3=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=B4 =B3 | o| 0|__ --_ =B3 Commander Sonic Data. = =B3 =B3 \\____-- __ \ ___ - =B3 E-mail soniccsd@inet.uni-c.dk = =B3 =B3 (@@ __/ / /_ =B3 IRC nick C_Sonic_D on #sonic and = #knothole =B3 =B3 -_____--- --_ = =C3=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=B4 =C3=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=B4 Sonic malinglist: soniccsd@pip.dknet.dk =B3 =B3 ASCII by Han J Lee =B3 Homepage: = HTTP://INET.UNI-C.DK/~SONICCSD/ =B3 =C3=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C1=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=B4 =B3 StH Sal+++^i Son+++i Bun++" Tal+++t Nic++^ Lup++ Rbt--- Snv---^ = =B3 =B3 P++ Dpwfo $++ E17 Ee27 A19 GM = =B3 =C0=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4= =C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=C4=D9 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB526E.FCB7BA40 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjQVAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AEABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADACAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAG8AAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA KypWwhUAAAC0lNyrxLHPEY82REVTVAAAZIAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHNvbmlj QGxpc3RzLm12Lm5ldABTTVRQAHNvbmljQGxpc3RzLm12Lm5ldAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAA AAAeAAMwAQAAABMAAABzb25pY0BsaXN0cy5tdi5uZXQAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAA ABUAAAAnc29uaWNAbGlzdHMubXYubmV0JwAAAAACAQswAQAAABgAAABTTVRQOlNPTklDQExJU1RT Lk1WLk5FVAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAAqE/AQiABwAYAAAASVBNLk1p Y3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABABcAAABORVcgU09OSUMgTUFMSU5HTElTVDpEABgGAQWA AwAOAAAAzAcGAAQAFwAmAAoAAgAmAQEggAMADgAAAMwHBgAEABcAIQACAAIAGQEBCYABACEAAABB RDVEMjcwODVDQkVDRjExOEYzNjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMAACBwEDkAYA5AUAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMA JgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQCAuX4gXlK7AR4AcAABAAAAFwAAAE5FVyBTT05JQyBN QUxJTkdMSVNUOkQAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG7Ul4fpggnXbW+XBHPjzZERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAA BQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAXAAAAc29uaWNjc2RAaW5ldC51bmktYy5kawAAAwAGEF2d+0kD AAcQ3AMAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAEFTSVNBSURJTk1ZTEFTVExFVEhFUixJtE1NQUtJTkdBTkVXTUFM SU5HTElTVElUtFNDT05USU5VSU5HRlJPTVJBVFNMSVNULEFORElGWU9VV0FOQUpPSU4sVEhFTlNF TkRNRUEAAAAAAgEJEAEAAABpBAAAZQQAAIMMAABMWkZ1IrG5A/8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIA Y2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMz9wLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdkCgAcKgQ2xC2Bu ZzEwMz8N8AsKFFEL8RSwBCBJIBJzC3BkIAuAIG15XiALYBPAGlARwGgEkCxBGYBcJ2I0bRogYYJr C4BnIGEgbgfRXQDAbBvRHJATwC4ZgHTfG0IEIAWgAjALgHUb0gNS+QfwYXQEIBzSGxAAcBnhyGYg eQhgIHcAcBwQ/GpvC4AbEBrRA6ARsB9x4weAH1EgRS0AwAMRAiBnILEEABwAZGQWEAQQOgUKhXMC IGljY3NkJkALgBHALnUDAC1jCC5kawYAVUJKRVhDVDoF0BPgYgSQLvEKhUluYwpADbAfwgXAzyHF GgEa0SCwZXgFQArAfQiQYSYGBmAfwRwQAiA6pikKhQqFKEQCISACYP8LcB6TGxACEAXAInIRcCBw 1GNlKeAgKf1UKAEc0v8gAAMQAyAl0CAABbAbwx5jZQYQdAhwZGEaQCJjdz0J4GsqDBtAMCAbQGM0 /zIfMy80PzVPNl83bBKwN2//OX86jzufPK89vz7PP99A7xNB/0MNYmYxZ2IzIO9FD0WFRM5DETlD EQswR+X3R49HXxtQYknfRd5EX0WA+l9OIC1OU04gRj9HRgDg90k3UD9IRmIcEE8EUrNMD7FNGHxc XE4yRYEvVUB/TbZVkk8vQxFStVf0SbQ4/UopY1j/U39UilXATeRNtitGKifyRgnRZB6BRmmsZ2gT 0BGgIAhQbQOBJRngQwnwdHIHQCBL3m8a0AbwIXBMvy9V01zx9VXlL064YxRQQy9lP2ZP/2dfaG9p f2qPa59sr22/Q06eNEz7XNAiIHDhMHxOtn9OkVavRYFf9QSQBgAjsiD+RB7AKMBbH00KVUBVQlVj /06xVeNOIXHgcj0hxSOvJLTjdQ9yRShAQE3kXPFc8ONjgEYrSVJDHCB5kCTwpENfdANfRCIiI3lj 8R9TI2tuYQV7P3GzdsL/TkJxx2P/hB+FL4Y/h0+IX/+Jb4p/i4+Mn42vb66Dj5DP/5Hfku+T/5UP G0JFgnQEHHj7JYB5Z3AFICTRJEJ6o4DvoUWAQVNDSRmQYhpAYkgDkUogTAngcihINQNwZQqwZyzA myBUVARQOmKASU5FVC4AVU5JLUMuREsQL35TT53QQ0NT/kRi4pmKj/+gv6HPot+j7/+k/6VBAFCl X6dvqH+pj6qff6uvrL+tz67fr++Vj0z9UyR0SAYBbCuzoF5pt3Pys6Gz4EIkgLOgIi3gO7ODBUBO eZCzsZuAdXATs6AH8GJ0goJTbnZfTlG1wHsPRO+4pFC2EUQkcHcCECAkthFFMRI3IbBlMrqwQTE5 +CBHTbivty+xEA3wsR//vr+/z8Dfwe/C/8QPxR/GL//HP8hPyV/Kb8t/zI/Nn86v/GQ5KgzQj9Gf 0q8qKhUxAgDVIAAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwYGe9aF1SuwFAAAgwYGe9aF1SuwEeAD0A AQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAefQ= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB526E.FCB7BA40-- From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 18:30:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA27739 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from appstate-01.campus.mci.net (appstate-01.campus.mci.net [204.71.75.162]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA27731 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s23-pm02.appstate.campus.mci.net (s23-pm02.appstate.campus.mci.net [206.24.85.82]) by appstate-01.campus.mci.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA08140 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606042229.SAA08140@appstate-01.campus.mci.net> X-Sender: dhurst@appstate.campus.mci.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@lists.mv.net From: Dennis Hurst Subject: Re: What can I say ? :( Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net At 02:40 PM 6/4/96 +0800, you wrote: >Let me take this opportunity to make some final announcements : > >1)I'm really disheartened that I have not recieved any fan fiction contributions >within the last month or so ... it looks like my Archives are a failure . :( >I will wait for the day that another fanfic graces my screen , but I think I >might be waiting in vain ... > >If no fanfics come , then I will sadly terminate my Sonic Webpage and devote >the resources to other topics . DON'T DO IT MAN!!!!! You were not looking in the right places, There is serveral people on ALT.FAN.SONIC-HEDGEHOG that have written Fan fiction that are trying to have posted (one series to Bookshire's). IF you advertise, they will come. > >2)This is probably one of the last fan fictions I will write . It is called >Alterations and will wrap up my Foxes and Sorcery series . I *may* write one >more to conclude the Wheel series , but no confirmation as yet . > >Anyone interested in "Alterations" can e-mail me directly at >prower@pacific.net.sg for a copy of it . > This is a good series, I hate to see a person waste time on something that has pontential. Who knows, you may become a writer of stories. >3)I'm really sad that this list has to go ... ME too. But as a person once said, All things travel in circles, We shall meet again > >To conclude , I guess all that's left to say is farewell .... > >______________________________________________________________________________ >Aaron "Prower" Lye >Maintainer , Sonic Fan Fiction Archives >E-mail : prower@pacific.net.sg >The Sonic Fan Fiction Archives : http://home.pacific.net.sg/~prower >IRC Nick : TailsProw >______________________________________________________________________________ >StH JJ1 WkS+++ Son++ Sal++ Tal+++t Bun++" Rot~ Ant++ Nic+ Dul+ UnC0 Bks+ >Rbk0 Snv--/+ Knu+ Mut+ P+ Dwf $+++ E27 Ay78 GM >______________________________________________________________________________ >Think : Say "miles per hour" fast . What do you get ? Miles Prower ! >I'm guessing everyone knows this by now.... >______________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Dennis Hurst (dhurst@appstate.campus.mci.net) *********************************************************** StH JJ1 WkS++ Arc++ Son+i Sal++^ Tal++ Bun+++"t! P+ Do &+++ E27 A22 Gm *********************************************************** From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 18:45:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA28585 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA28576 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:38:22 -0400 (EDT) From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA15054 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:37:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:37:52 -0400 Message-ID: <960604183751_210507568@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: What can I say ? :( Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I myself would like to say that I'm sorry to see this list go. I really enjoyed it, and I met some new friends on it to. I wish everybody well on whatever their lives and quests take them, and also to invite everybody to my web site at http://users.aol.com/dgonterman, where I'll keep the story of Sonic and his Freedom Fighter Friends going. David Gonterman dgonterman@aol.com http://users.aol.com/dgonterman "I once was here But now I'm gone I wrote my name to carry on To all my friends they knew me well and all the rest can go to h-e- double-hockey-sticks. :-)" ----------A poem I wrote on a desk on my last day at high school. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 19:00:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA01214 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA01208 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA28774 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:48:41 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA28474 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:44:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042244.SAA28474@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:44:57, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: new mailing lists Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >I'm going to maintain a web page that will have information about other >sonic lists. Hopefully this will smooth the transition to any new list. > >http://rat.org/sonic/list.html > >If anyone wants me to put information about their mailing list, I will >add it. Thanks, that's a step in the right direction. If you have to let somebody down (okay, poor choice of words; this isn't something you HAVE to do, but if you're GOING to let somebody down), at LEAST give them someone else to turn to. >< Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 19:09:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA28582 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA28571 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mighty.en.com (mighty@mighty.en.com [207.78.10.12]) by en.com (8.7.4/8.7.4) with SMTP id SAA25925 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606042240.SAA25925@en.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Doug LoConti" To: sonic@lists.mv.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 06:43:12 +0000 Subject: Re: MY important notice to RAT (pleez read) Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net > > > It is ridiculous for you to assume that I owe you this service. Lack of > > > appreciation like this makes me wish I had shut it down sooner. Though I can > > > only hope you and your attitude is in the minority. > > > > Rat, let's be sensable: the government, (for example,) doesn't OWE us > > Yes, the government owes us. But I guess you don't pay taxes yet. Would you > like to pay me taxes? If you paid me, and I didn't follow through on the > agreement, then you would have reason to bitch. Otherwise, shut the hell up. > I'm sick of hearing this. I'll pay you. If you keep this list up, I'll pay you. Strike your price. (reasonable) > > > It doesn't matter anyway since the list is going away soon. > > > > You don't seem to care. > > It's pointless to try to enforce list policy when there is about to be no > list. And I do care, otherwise I would have just shut the list down without > warning. Ever consider that? > > > You always (have had) this chip on your shoulder. Mind explaining why? > > It just upsets me when people forget that this is a free service that I am > providing, and refuse to respect that. People still post binaries and fan > fiction regardless of how much I bitched about it. And I get "how dare that > mean ratman tell me not to do this". > > The reaction to me shutting the list down makes me even more bitter. I don't > owe any of you anything. And after seeing some of the flames and personal > attacks against me, I wish I had known about those people so I could have > banned them from the list sooner. As much as people don't like the fact, this > list is on MY server, and if people don't like it, they can get the hell out. > I don't have to explain why, it is my decision. This is not a democracy. For > example, if EVERYONE wrote me and said they wanted fanfic to be permitted to > be posted, do you think I would allow it? I don't think so. But this is all a > moot point since this list will be no more. You're right about one thing, that IS rather bitter! :) > The upside to this, is nobody HAS TO be here. If everyone hated the way I > ran things, someone else could make their own mailing list, and everyone > would join that. > But I'll try not to let the flames get me down, I did see a few nice > thank-you's from people. I do appreciate it. probably not me. After all, I just want what's best for everybody-including YOU! So, what do you say...? I'll pay ya taxes, OR help me set up my own list man! > So to people that said thank you, I say "I appreciate it, and you're > welcome", and I'm sorry to see you go. > > And to those freeloading scum, I say, "I wish you had shown your true colors > before so I could have kicked your ungrateful ass off." > > Note I have unsubscribed hk512@cleveland.freenet.edu since I don't feel like > reading any other posts by him. > > And I'd like to thank Erich, who was the real list admin. I owned the list, > but I asked him to run it, which he did. His job was to be the person behind > owner-sonic@lists.mv.net that people could ask questions to. Also he had the > dredded task of unsubscribing invalid email addresses. So What do you say? Help me out...? Rat? (That sounds so impersonal) I'm really trying to be nice and good to all, honest. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 19:15:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA04725 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [206.75.222.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA04712 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA10144; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:04:45 -0600 Received: by ender.cuug.ab.ca (V1.17-beta.31{ask@castrov.UUCP/10}/Amiga) id ; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:32:08 MDT Received: by sago.cuc.ab.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1(sago-1.3)) id AA26030; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:20:08 MDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:20:08 MDT Message-Id: <9606042220.AA26030@sago.cuc.ab.ca> From: uug@sago.cuc.ab.ca (William Graham) To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Time to move the Sonic list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I'd like to say that at first I was aghast and utterly dismayed by Ratman's decision to shut this Sonic mailing list down. The last few messages seem to indicate that most of the list members do not agree with him, and would prefer the list to continue. Now the initial shock of the annoucement has subsided, it seems clear to me that the thing to do is to move the list someplace else. I see that "Commander Sonic Data" has already offered to host a Sonic list. So, I'd like to offer my site as a new home for the list too. The address of my Sonic list (including subscription requests) is: sonic@sago.cuc.ab.ca Finally, I would also like to thank Ratman for providing a home for the list for the last 16 months. - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! - From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 19:28:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA27780 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from appstate-01.campus.mci.net (appstate-01.campus.mci.net [204.71.75.162]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA27749 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from s23-pm02.appstate.campus.mci.net (s23-pm02.appstate.campus.mci.net [206.24.85.82]) by appstate-01.campus.mci.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA08142; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606042229.SAA08142@appstate-01.campus.mci.net> X-Sender: dhurst@appstate.campus.mci.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rat@rat.org From: Dennis Hurst Subject: closing of the Mailing list Cc: sonic@lists.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net LETTER TO RATMAN (RAT@RAT.ORG) Sir. It has come to my attention that certain persons would like to keep the list running. If the idea of Comic and Fanfiction offend you, one should keep quiet. If this was not the original intention of the list to be a area for television only, then think of this as a comliment that some people took the time to write fanfiction Or to comment about the comic books when They cancelled them. If this had not happened, the list would have closed down when the Series ended. I just want to ask you to reconsider what you are doing, if you take away the list, You are taking a means of comunication between people. You are alone putting your hand across the mouths of everyone on this list. And preventing others from finding about the Joys of Sonic The Hedgehog. We await your decision. P.S. If I had access to the hardware, I would take over. Dennis Hurst (dhurst@appstate.campus.mci.net) *********************************************************** StH JJ1 WkS++ Arc++ Son+i Sal++^ Tal++ Bun+++"t! P+ Do &+++ E27 A22 Gm *********************************************************** From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 19:30:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA05872 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA05862; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Goodbye Again.... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:15:52 -0600 From: Jessica Ross To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Goodbye Again.... To All: I really regret this list's going away. So, before, I can never ever ever post again, I will say my thanks. To Ratman: Thanks fer havin' the list anyways, mac. To David Gonterman: Keep up the good work. To Joseph Delacroix(sp? Too bad he'll never see it.): Nice word gymnastics. To Ken Penders: Thanks for all the insight. To everyone in general (even the spammers, you know who you are): It was fun while it lasted. Too bad I didn't discover the list in time (Only got 2 months of list time in). To Dan Drazen: I hope to see more of your stories at Bookshires. Again, I really despise the fact that this list is going (it keeps my mailbox full :) ;) ). No hard feeling, 'kay??? Jessie, the Golden Gargoyle :) ;) :p :9 :( ;9 ect......... "I'm having a bad day" "Naaaaaarf." ---Pinky and the Brain "Whoa, dumber than advertised!" ---Yakko Warner, Animaniacs "We will never trust humans again." ---Goliath, Gargoyles From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 19:45:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA06569 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA06556; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: new mailing lists In-Reply-To: <199606042244.SAA28474@mime2.prodigy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: > >I'm going to maintain a web page that will have information about other > >sonic lists. Hopefully this will smooth the transition to any new list. > > > >http://rat.org/sonic/list.html > > > >If anyone wants me to put information about their mailing list, I will > >add it. > > Thanks, that's a step in the right direction. If you have to let somebody > down (okay, poor choice of words; this isn't something you HAVE to do, but > if you're GOING to let somebody down), at LEAST give them someone else to > turn to. I think I know what you meant, regardless of how it came out. Regardless of what people think of me, I do want to make it easy for someone else to pick this up. I just won't let anyone else have access to the subscriber list since it would be done without each and every member's consent, and I'd rather that they are given the choice of being a part of a new list instead of just copied to a new list. There I got with my personal moral standards again, but I'm not going to bend on this one. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 19:45:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA04447 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA04439 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA56096 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:11:18 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA21844 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:04:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042304.TAA21844@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm02sc02 From: thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:04:54, -0500 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: MY important notice to RAT (pleez re Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net >And after seeing some of the flames and personal attacks against me, I >wish I had known about those people so I could have banned them from the >list sooner. You really DON'T CARE, DO YOU?! Now, I ADMIT that some of the reactions have been outta line, but so have several things that YOU'VE done. It makes me sad that you would do away with those people who speak their minds and tell you your faults, when you should actually be REMEMBERING what you've done wrong so that you can be a better person in the future. >This is not a democracy. For example, if EVERYONE wrote me and said they >wanted fanfic to be permitted to be posted, do you think I would allow it? >I don't think so. That's ODD, I seem to recall your VERY EXCUSE for not allowing fanfic was that SOME PEOPLE were inconvenienced by large posts. So you're saying that was a LIE????!!!!!! Or, possibly not a LIE, but not the FOREMOST reason, EITHER. I feel betrayed to NO END. >And to those freeloading scum, I say, "I wish you had shown your true >colors before so I could have kicked your ungrateful ass off." Well, I'm GLAD that YOU didn't show YOUR true colors before, because, had you done so, I'd've quit this list a year ago and wouldn't be who I am today. Go ahead and unsubscribe me if you wish, but I BEG you to at LEAST remember this post and those that Joe wrote, because I hope OTHERS don't have to put up with this side of you. You've been generous to us all, Rat, and have given us a haven...all you've done has been what you thought to be in people's best interests, with a few exceptions. I want people to remember THAT side of you, the side Matt Penna knows, not the side Joe DeLaCroix knows...I'm trying REAL HARD to remember you as Matt does, but I keep finding myself agreeing with Joe... >< Signing off...for possibly the last time. 8( From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 20:12:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id UAA12229 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA12219 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: LaiJun@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA15096 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:03:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:03:19 -0400 Message-ID: <960604200319_318618089@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: Time to move the Sonic list... Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Sign me up! I joined rat's list on 6/3/96. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 20:12:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id UAA11936 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA11893 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: LaiJun@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA03066 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:00:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <960604200033_318615209@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: NEW SONIC MALINGLIST:D Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Sign me up! I joined rat's list on 6/3 and the next thing I know it's being shut down! From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 20:12:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA10562 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id TAA10555; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 19:57:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: MY important notice to RAT (pleez read) In-Reply-To: <199606042240.SAA25925@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Doug LoConti wrote: > > > > It is ridiculous for you to assume that I owe you this service. Lack of > > > > appreciation like this makes me wish I had shut it down sooner. Though I can > > > > only hope you and your attitude is in the minority. > > > > > > Rat, let's be sensable: the government, (for example,) doesn't OWE us > > > > Yes, the government owes us. But I guess you don't pay taxes yet. Would you > > like to pay me taxes? If you paid me, and I didn't follow through on the > > agreement, then you would have reason to bitch. Otherwise, shut the hell up. > > I'm sick of hearing this. > > I'll pay you. If you keep this list up, I'll pay you. Strike your > price. (reasonable) heh. didn't expect you to call my bluff. But I think you missed my point. I am doing this for free, so that I don't have to commit to any of this. Also this kind of thing really should be for free, but the people that spend the money to host it should get a little respect. And if they decide they want out, they should be allowed to leave. And some other people have said they would be starting lists, so just hop onto one of those. And just think, you wouldn't have to put up with tyranny of the horrible rat! Sorry, I'm so pissed off right now, I think I'll wait another day before posting anymore. I'm only making things worse by trying to defend myself. And please, all of you, stop asking me to reconsider. I've announced that I will shut down the list, and I try not to make a habit out of saying I will do things, then not do them. And after all the hate mail I have gotten, I don't think there's any possible way in hell I will set myself up for that abuse again. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Tue Jun 4 20:36:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id UAA14758 for sonic-ll; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id UAA14750; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 20:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: OK, that's enough. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I'm sick of the all-out rat bashing that has taken over this list. I had hoped that the flames I had gotten would be met with people defending me, but I seem to have more enemies than I had ever imagined. I have turned this list into a "moderated" one, so only posts I approve will get though. So say what a jerk I am all you want, nobody will see it but me. We already know what a jerk I am, so there's no need for the whole list to see it. The only thing I will approve is: 1. goodbye, it's been fun posts 2. advertisements for other mailing lists 3. anything else I'm not thinking of that is on topic and very important. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 10:27:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA24005 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id JAA23997; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: List Server FOUND! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:15:08 -0200 (GMT) From: Ablater of Crypto-Phobia To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: List Server FOUND! [X] Possible Bounce Detection Greetings, With regards to what will be the eventual termination of this list: I have spoken to a friend who owns and a Unix server of which he runs one of the greatest and most FREE MUCKS (SPR), and he said he would be happy to provide the list for us! No, I'm not joking.. he REALLY said that he would be happy to provide the list, and asked whether I knew anything about Majordomo. (which I don't - So I'll have to either learn fast or find someone who knows how already) It seems that Rat is fixed on not giving out the listing, for certain moral reasons, so everyone will have to resubscribe as soon as this new list does come up. ALSO I understand some people want to run the list from their email account.. but let me explain something to them quicky: 100 users.. X 15 posts a day = 1500 messages a day X3K each = 4.5MB (I doubt you'll be able to send all that!) A list server will of course not have this problem! :) Hang on.. I'll be sorting the rest of this business out tonight (SA time) And be excellent my cool friends! BTW: For those of you who know the sysop of SPR.. don't bother his about this.. not yet at least.. okay? He may have agreed, but sending him moron-mail right now would probably not be to our advantage. Cheers ___________ |_|_|_AA|_|_| ____Ablater of Crypto-Phobia (South Africa)_______ |_|_|A/\A_|_| | Beginner Furry Artist/ Raytraced/Rendered Artist | |_|_AAAAAA|_| | Programmer/MUCKer/Furry/Sci-Fi Writer | |_|A/ \A_| | | |_A/ \Ablater |____ "The end is the beginning, is the end" _____| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S3M? Furry? http://lin01.global.co.za/~ablater/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 15:30:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id OAA09019 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id OAA08878; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Thanks you's to many people Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 13:50:51 -0400 From: Matt Penna To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Thanks you's to many people Hello, everybody. Since the list will be closing in a few short days, I'd like to thank certain people who have really made a lasting impact on my appreciation of Sonic. I'm taking advantage of this opportunity now, before I allow it to slip through my fingers forever. (Listed in no particular order.) To John Johnston: The Sonic Code is cool! Need I say more? ;) To Ron Bauerle: Thanks for making copies of the saturday morning shows for me! I'm not an early riser, so USA is OUT... ;) To Thad Boyd: Need I explain? Without you, I never would have gotten into Sonic at all, and wouldn't have been a part of this list. I'm really glad that I got to know you. It's been about 5 years, hasn't it? (Ah, the days when 2400 baud was state of the art...) To Joe Delacroix: Thanks for introducing me to Sociopolitical Ramifications! Lots of fun, lots of new people. (Keep writing those fan-fics!) To Ken Penders: Glad to have you on the list, Ken! Your insight and explanations of why things are the way they are has been most valuable. It's helped my understanding of the comic book industry, as well as my appreciation for the Sonic books in general. To Dan Drazen: I've always enjoyed your fan-fic, and have looked forward to seeing the "For FAQ file (Spoilers)" subject line on a monthly basis. :) To Eric Goodwin: Looking forward to a sequel! To David Pistone, and all other fan-fic authors: Thank you, all of you. You've provided me with HOURS of enjoyment. Keep it up! The following people are all contributors to the Sonic IRC sessions in one form or another, among other things. To Commander Sonic Data: Thanks very much for all of your offers of assistance! To Dennis Hurst: Thanks again for the server listing! To Doug LoConti: Thanks for helping to set up a new bot to make all of our lives easier on EFNet! You do good work as an op, as well. (Especially when troublemakers have access to 4 different Internet accounts...) :) To Jason Shank and Chris Flinn: Thanks for helping me run #sonic! It would be a major headache without you. To everyone who visits #sonic: Thank you! Bring friends! And, finally, a BIG thanks to Ratman. For hosting the list, for hosting the IRC bot, for hosting the IRC pages, for having such a cool file archive, and other things. In case I don't have the opportunity to talk to all of you in the future, TAKE CARE OF YOURSELVES! I'm glad to have been a part of the list, and I'm very glad to have gotten to know all of you. Bidding a very fond farewell to all... -Matt Penna E-mail: mpenna@vivanet.com Home Page Under Construction ********************************************************************* * StH JJ1 Wks+++ AdS-->+ Son+++i Sal+++^ Tal+++it Bun+++ Rot++ Ant~ * * UnC++ Bks++ Rbk--/++ Pck--/+++ Snv~ Knu++ P+ Da $++++ Ay79 GM * ********************************************************************* From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 18:16:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA14884 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA14872; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: I've returned ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:03:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 To: Sonic Post Subject: I've returned ... ... to what?! When it rains, it pours. First, I am forced to move to a new apartment with little notice. Then my computer is damaged in the move and I had to get a new motherboard. Then my video card's ROM chip is found to be dead, so it's new video card time. All shipped expensively overnight. And now that I've rejoined the net, I come home to 700 waiting messages and the shock of discovering that the list is being dissolved. After informing Ratman by voice of my equipment problems, the last thing I expected was to come back to nothing. You are not going to see me very much in the a.f.s-h newsgroup. This is because posts from pine on this provider rarely get out, and my US Internet either doesn't know how to fix nn (it's been broken 11 months) or they refuse to. As for #sonic, IRC has proven to be more grief than I can deal with so I'm deleting mIRC and giving up. I will probably ask Alexei on FurToonia if I can have a second character in case anyone wants to correspond with me that way; very few people know who my present FT character is and I intend to keep it that way. I will keep my acme@use.usit.net address until and if a better ISP that offers shell access opens in my community. Though I cannot achieve the level of automation possible with majordomo, it is possible for me to run a replacement list on this account. I have enough knowledge of pine and shell scripts to make this reasonably practical. I also have a friend on FurToonia whose provider offers mailing lists; I don't know what their fees are. Some long-time members of this list may recall that my original intention was to run this list off my Delphi account, with the aid of software I would write myself. I am no longer on Delphi, but I still can write software, and writing shell scripts to use with pine is a better solution than trying to write a dedicated mailing list manager for my own PC. I can port the Merchandise List to my personal Webspace without much difficulty, but there is no possibility I can offer even 10% of all the files now stored on rat.org in this way. At least I had downloaded a lot of them while I had the chance. I've also maintained my own list archives since Day 1. Over its 16 month life, I've seen this list through good times and bad: from the hard work and dedication of our faq-dd keeper (Dan Drazen) to the ill-will of a bitter netizen who never did subscribe (name intentionally omitted), from Archie Comics and Sega establishing their presence on the list to dealing with 2 mailbombing threats :(, and from our first story posting and the spawning of Bookshire's page to dealing with our first and only net.spam attack. And to Ratman, I owe a great debt of gratitude, and not just for no-cost use of the majordomo server, a shell account, and ftp site, but also for those things you can't place price tags on: experience in people administration and management, a taste of the day to day grit you deal with on the "supply" side of an information system, a reason to read RFC 821 (g), and a small yet permanent part of Internet history. I even owe the creation of my FurToonia character to the encouragement of one-time list member Craig Moore and list member Alessandro Sanasi. I don't know how many tens of on and offline hours I have put into this list since its planning stages in January 1995. Losing this will be more burden than relief, for I have lost not just a job but a part of myself -- the part fueling 1.5 lines of my .signature. I am deeply disappointed this is all coming to an end so soon and so suddenly -- and that I had to find out the way that I did. Though we didn't always see eye-to-eye on administrative and technical issues (and certainly not on operating systems (g)), Ratman is a fine man to work for, and I knew I could always count on him to help whenever I was in over my head. It is absolutely no understatement or exaggeration that he has helped me more for free than US Internet's help desk has for fee. Though I may be several years his senior (and maybe the #2 or #3 oldest on the list), his knowledge and experience outpace mine by such leaps and bounds I am left not worthy to touch his floppy disks. Without reservation, I wish Ratman and Scratchwood all the best personally and professionally as we go our seperate ways. Finally, to all present and former subscribers, thank you for helping make the Sonic list a success. We certainly could not have been the group we were without you. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Member of Team OS/2 Manager, "Sonic the Hedgehog" mailing list [02/95-06/96] Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i Rot+i Lup+ P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Ay68 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: temporarily unavailable From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 18:18:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA15074 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA15066; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: New Stories Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:11:24 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: Sonic Mailing List Subject: New Stories Last announcement to this list, I imagine. Anyway, I got two new stories from Joseph DeLaCroix now posted to the page so drop by and check him out. And be sure to tell him what you think of them, because it's the praise of his fans that keeps him writing and making the stories everything you want them to be. New Stories: The Verdict Pawns +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 18:18:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA15099 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA15090; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: List Server FOUND! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: List Server FOUND! (fwd) On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Ratman wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:15:08 -0200 (GMT) > From: Ablater of Crypto-Phobia > To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Subject: List Server FOUND! > > With regards to what will be the eventual termination of this list: > I have spoken to a friend who owns and a Unix server of which he runs one > of the greatest and most FREE MUCKS (SPR), and he said he would > be happy to provide the list for us! > No, I'm not joking.. he REALLY said that he would be happy to > provide the list, and asked whether I knew anything about Majordomo. (which > I don't - So I'll have to either learn fast or find someone who knows how > already) I was contemplating writing software to help me run this list off my Delphi account. I can hardly imagine having run the list like that over the past few months had Ratman never offered use of his server. But now, instead, I have 15 months of experience using majordomo; 'nuff said. > I understand some people want to run the list from their email account.. but > let me explain something to them quicky: > 100 users.. X 15 posts a day = 1500 messages a day X3K each = 4.5MB > (I doubt you'll be able to send all that!) That equation only holds true if you have 100 subscribers and each posted 15 messages a day. As you said, that's 1500 posts a day. Fortunately, the Sonic list was never that busy. I don't know of any list that is. With pine and shell scripts, it would not be too burdensome for me to run the list off my shell account. And I'm used to expending the daily time required to do it, and I'm used to handling the daily dose of bounces. > A list server will of course not have this problem! :) That's true, though majordomo can become troublesome when you get past 500 or so users on a list. But let's leave that for the majordomo-users mailing list. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i Rot+i Lup+ P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Ay68 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: temporarily unavailable From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 18:18:29 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA15046 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id SAA15027; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 17:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List Seeing how this poster has publically dragged me through the mud (again), my response is necessitated. As Ratman has written his own responses, I am not responding to points not aimed against me unless I am asked by him to do otherwise. On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Joseph Delacroix wrote: > The first event that turned me toward dislike of the management of > this list is one that could probably be concieved as a nearly inflammatory > move on the part of Eric, which was to utilize a posting of mine in order > to set down a new `list rule'. What transpired was that in the beginning > of my fanfic-writing career, I made it a habit to publish my stories > on the mailing list directly, and then have Bookshire grep them from his > mailspool and HTMLize it for fanfic-page consumption. I had not seen a > single post on said list about anyone disliking my practice of doing this, > and had, in fact, recieved a few positive comments. This not only > encouragedme to continue my writings, but it also gave me a mandate to > continue this practice further. Well, after I had sent one of my stories > to the list on one fateful afternoon, Eric decided to take the opportunity > to put down a new list rule. Can anyone tell me what it is? No? > Well, it was that no further stories were to be sent to the list. He used > the header of my posting, deleted all of the content of the message (even > the `On such-and-such day, X said:' line), and said in no uncertain terms that > no further fanfic was to be sent to the list. That's all. No `good > story, Joe', no `awful story, Joe', no `nice paragraphing, Joe', but > instead a subtle incrimination that it was -MY- fault that this new > policy was being instituted. Real fucking nice, man. Yet, I kept > my mouth closed, and instead did what I was instructed to. The deep-rooted > indignation that I possess now was absent in me then, so I meekly shut up > and obeyed. It was not my decision to disallow posting of stories. Last summer, Ratman firmly decided against posting binary files. I had no problem with this and implemented the policy accordingly right away. My interpretation of "no binaries" was that story postings would be allowed as they were text postings whereas a .JPG or .GIF is unquestionably binary. November 1995 is when Ratman expanded the policy to disallow posting of stories. I did argue my interpretation to him in direct mail, but as this is his server, I ultimately had to implement his wishes promptly. I saw you say on Sociopolitical Ramifications that I posted my administrative message to you to the list. This is absolutely false. I immediately double-checked my message and confirmed that it was sent to you directly. You didn't know I was in the same room because I was Guest1 at that time. You never saw my discussions of this issue with Ratman because it was in private mail with him. Did you ever try to correspond with me in private mail? No; not one message. I keep everything in my sent-mail folder for 3 weeks so I could have forwarded these messages to you upon request, and you could have authenticated them with Ratman. But instead of using e-mail, you chose to make threats against me on FurToonia. Very few people know who my FT character is, so I bet you never knew I was in the same room with you. Ever since then, I knew I made the right decision to abandon my former character Toby in late October 1995 and be secretive about my character. The decision was made before you posted your story, and was temporarily mired in differences in interpretation not resolved until just prior to your posting. Call it bad luck, call it bad timing, but do not call it a conspiracy against you. Had you asked me or Ratman about it in a civilized private message, you would have known that over 6 months ago. As for not commenting on your story, I did not do so because I sent my non-public message to you before reading it. My modus operandi has always been to tend to administrative needs first, and then respond to posts and write new ones. I would read short posts online, and save the long posts for reading offline. Though I do have SLIP and PPP accounts, I still prefer to handle my mail with my shell account. I could not possibly have offered you an opinion of your story at that point in time because, again, I had not yet read it. Had you asked me about it in a civilized private message, you would have known that over 6 months ago. > However, my ire was rose when people CONTINUED, -TOTALLY- unflamed, > to post fanfic to the list (and multi-part fanfic, I might add) and were, > in fact, APPLAUDED by the admins! I very seldom posted administrative warnings to the list. I feel there is no need to embarrass someone with a public scolding and no one else on the list wants to read such a thing anyway. I have posted warnings when the situation warranted, but the list archives prove that was infrequent. I did send warnings just like the one you got to other list subscribers, but you didn't see them because I sent them in private mail. Had you asked me or Ratman about it in a civilized private message, you would have known that over 6 months ago. I don't recall what Ratman posted that allegedly applauded others' story postings, but I never did any such thing. The list archives prove it. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i Rot+i Lup+ P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Ay68 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: temporarily unavailable From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 22:15:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id VAA16538 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id VAA16523 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by granite.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) id VAA07733; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: List Server FOUND! In-Reply-To: <9606052125499825@jaguar.ac.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Robert Haynie wrote: > (large announcement snipped...) > That's GOOD news. Um... Btu how do we find out about it? ratman, > can you tell us when it's up? (Like an emailed announcement? If, of > course, it is not too much trouble... And also, of course, where.) > thaankfully, rob I have nothing to do with it. But I did make a web page to help people find new lists after they get set up. I've heard several people say already that they are going to setup new lists, but so far have not seen a single person say they have a working list right now. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 22:15:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id VAA13120 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id VAA13113; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: G'bye dudes! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 18:55:21 -0600 From: Amy Lawson To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: G'bye dudes! Yo, fellow Sonic the Hedgehog followers. This is my first (and may be last) post. I just joined it, and now it gets closed down. Funny, huh? Remind me to laugh. I guess I got some goodbyes to give, so here they are. Rat, thanks for having this list. I know you put up with a lotta rat-bashing, even though the other guys who flamed you really had no right. You gave them thier darn list, you have every right to take it back from them! However, I'd REALLY like it if it could stay a LITTTLE longer, PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?! For everyone else, goodbye. I'm glad I was on this list, and boy am I glad you all did too, it wouldn't be the same............. For everyone listening, my family page is up. but I am taking a servey for my page to see, out of the F.Fs, who everyone likes to most. I've got four replyies so far, and you can E-Mail me sepertly if you'd like. lawsg@sasknet.sk.ca My family page is up. I'm working on a Sonic the Hedgehog page. I have some stories to use, if you have any links you love, stories you wrote or a comment, E-Mail mee with the atttachment. I will try to respond as soon as possible. Well, bye rat, bye Thad 'X' Boyad, bye Ken Penders, bye Joe, bye anybody else out there, It's been nice knowing you! (: Smile! It's still up there, it's the mailing list from the sky! Son+ Sal-/+ Bun++ Dul+ Ant+++ Rot+ Amy+/- Mailing list++++++++++++++++++ Bye, g'bye, see you around, keep in touch! -KIX CATT. From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 22:15:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id VAA13639 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id VAA13632; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:44:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net I wasn't going to forward this since it makes people want to reply to it, but what the hell, it's a "goodbye" message. And it's someone that's actually defending me, and these are so rare, I may as well let these get posted. Rememeber, don't bother posting a reply since I probably won't forward it to the list. Only goodbyes and advertisements for new lists. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 08:48:23 -0400 From: Dan Ramos To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: The Termination of This List At 02:59 PM 6/4/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Yeah, what a jerk I am. I provide this free service, and do such a crappy >>job at it. Here, i'll give you a full refund. > >Oh, I see. You can do whatever the hell you feel like to me, and I gotta >keep my yap shut and take it from you? Well, sorry, I don't allow people >to treat me in that way for very long. It's obvious that you won't, >either. > Somehow, I can't agree on much of what Joe's saying. Am I the only one or do I just see Joe goin' off the handle kinda unreasonably? I mean... this IS Rat's machine...it's not as though this is IT--NO WAY you can live without this service or somethin'. If tomorrow you should lose ALL the TV station in your local area, you're NOT exactly going to complain since there's cable TV, satalite, etc... um.. way I see it, just because Rat feels like dropping this list doesn't mean you can't go IRC, start your OWN list, go to the newsgroup, etc..etc. Complaining about Rat doin' this is like complaining about the rights you have to have privileges. It don't make sense to me. >In closing, if this be the message that stopped this list prematurely, so >be it. It will only make my resolution to win a new list stronger. I >will not cowtow to you again. If your message stopped the list prematurely, you certainly wouldn't be any better than the kinda person you're complaining about to begin with. I don't see it your way--sorry. :P THANK RATMAN, for the list... and in some ways, thanks for tearing it down. :P heh From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 23:40:19 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA28264 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA28256; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:38:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Asobi wa owari da. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net With a subject like that, it can only be Kiken!!! :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: mugg charles To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Asobi wa owari da. Kiken here, supporter of the first Japanese Sonic homepage, am giving this list its final post to say my 'Sayounara's' and such. ;) To Ken: Even though the only comics I read are in Japanese, it was nice to see that one of my favourite characters of all time was being respectfully portrayed through your comic. Dou mo arigatou. To Dan: For all the spoilers that gave me a chance to see what Ken was writing. ;) To Joe: For his insight, despite the fact that his opinions were very brash. To Matt: For maintaining the Sonic IRC channel. I know I haven't been there in a while, but I should resurface by this weekend. BTW, I have a tape with 6 hours of Jungle Emperor ready for you, pray that the post offices here finally get in some videotape mailing boxes. To Rat: For giving us this list to spark debate and discussion on the world of Mobius. I hope you are enjoying the recording of Mega Sonic CD that I sent. Dou mo arigatou gozaimashita. To Sonic 4: Someone I haven't spoken to in a LONG time. I hope you also enjoy the copy of Mega CD Sonic that I sent you. Keep that artwork coming. Now for something completely different: I had wished to make this upon the arrival of the tapes at my house, but seeing as the list is going down, I'm making the posting early, to all those interested in obtaining a copy of the Sonic The Hedgehog Anime (from Japan), please contact me personally, I will then return your E-mail messages with the appropriate info when I recieve the tapes. Special goodbyes to: Dan Ramos (the one up above was Dan Drazen) Ablater Mighty Jaybird Fangaroo (how was Duckon?) and to all the others that I had interaction with. "Why are we neccassary?" "To rise to the challenge." "Life without pain isn't real life." "Hitotsu meno kotopa wa yume... nemuri no naka kara..." Kiken signing off. ASOBI WA...OWARI DA! Sayounara. This message from the Baltimore Ronin, homepage at: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~cmugg1 Ikuze! /---/ |\ /\ "To live a life of power, / / | \ / \ you must have faith in what you / / | / / \ believe, even if others tell you ------- |/ /------\ you are wrong; / __ |\ __|__ The first step to living a life of / | | | \ | | | power is to find courage, you must / | _| | / |__|__| be prepared to reach beyond the / |_____| |/ | boundaries of time itself; | / \ And to do that, all you need is the will to take that very first step." Sonic From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Wed Jun 5 23:40:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA28190 for sonic-ll; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id XAA28181; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Thank-you's and what-not Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:36:58, -0500 From: THADDEUS BOYD To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Thank-you's and what-not Well, following Matt's cue, I think I'm going to HAVE to thank everyone who's made my participation in this wonderful world worth my time. So, here they are, in no particular order: Dan Drazen: You're the best author ever to grace Sonicdom. Keep 'em comin'! I look forward (well, actually BACKWARD, as my issues come fairly late) to your monthly critiques of the Archie comic. Ken Penders: Thanks for your thoughtful comments on our comic discussions, and also for keeping me from cancelling my subscription with your art and co-authorship on the monthly Knuckles mini-series preludes. Eric Goodwin: Your contribution to Sonic '94-'96 was quite appreciated. Thanks for the utmost flattery in asking for my opinions while you worked on Sir Kain's Story. Plus (no pun intended), you were the ONLY ONE who listened to me when I said to get the BBNM; thus YOUR Prodigy account, unlike the others', was terminated by choice, not due to fees. Simon Howes: You made me re-examine my approach to stories (well...okay, so you sorta just made me MAD, but I felt like saying that anyway). Besides that, it was VERY generous of you to let ME be the one to save Mobius in Mobian GPF. (BTW...How DID you know so much about me in that story?! You had my brother's character PERFECT, and it SEEMS like you knew that Dave lives relatively close to me, so I WOULD be the most logical choice to send the frozen Jell-O cube to...) Dave Pistone: Thanks for providing a haven for everybody's fanfic. Of all the WWW pages I've seen, yours is by far my favorite. Also, thanks for not complaining when I took your character and wrote an origin story for him that was somewhat contradictory to what you'd set down ...finally, thanks for correcting the minor errors you made in your presentation of The Hunt Begins. When Prodigy gets Telnet (they're working on it as I type this), I'll be sure to check out your BBS...I wish I could go there with just a normal comm prog, but oh well... Doug LoConti: Thanks for bein' such a help in Mettle...sorry I haven't really helped, despite being on the team. BTW, *I* was going to create a character profiles page, but you beat me to it...great minds think alike. 8) Matt Penna: Thanks for almost seven years (well, I guess about five, as you said, when you take away the two I was gone) of friendship. When Prod gets IRC, I'll see you there. 8) Keep in touch, ol' buddy. Brent Roberts: Thank you SO much for not being on the list!!! Erich: Thanks for puttin' up with the lot of us. Ratman: You gave us this virtual community...thank you from the bottom of my heart. Lindsay Cibos: You're not a subscriber anymore, but you STILL deserve to be recognized by everyone who IS. You introduced me to this whole thing, and you were ALSO the first to join me as a Chrono Trigger fanatic... Everyone who's written fanfic: You've given me hours of enjoyment, and also insight to my own stories. Anyone I haven't mentioned: You've all contributed to making this a wonderful environment...thanks SO much. Thank you all. It's been real! Thad "X" Boyd thad_x_boyd@prodigy.com http://pages.prodigy.com/Thad_X_Boyd/ From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Thu Jun 6 08:13:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id IAA04015 for sonic-ll; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id IAA04007; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: List Server FOUND! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: Re: List Server FOUND! On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Ratman wrote: > I've heard several people say already that they are going to setup new > lists, but so far have not seen a single person say they have a working > list right now. If there is user interest, I can run a replacement list on my shell account. Just say the word and I can have things ready in 1 day. Anyone who is interested should send mail to me directly. I cannot leave background processes running while logged off, so mail will only be processed while I am online. I am normally online 1-3 times a day so this will not be a major problem. I will be able to improve automation over time, but it will always be limited by my presence online. I may be able to offer a digest (not mh-compatible). This may, in fact, be easier for me to set up. I may be able to offer previous-month archives, but no more than that. I will be able to keep the subscriber list nonviewable to the public. I will continue this list's no-binary policy. I am willing to allow posting of stories, subject to a daily size limit (tentatively 50K). This list's on/off-topic scope will be continued. Subscribe and unsubscribe requests will be implemented in a way totally dissimilar to majordomo's method, but no more difficult for the user to employ. They can only be processed while I am online, so there will be delays in effecting requests. I am normally online 1-3 times a day so this will not be a major problem. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i Rot+i Lup+ P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Ay68 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: temporarily unavailable From owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Fri Jun 7 01:12:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) id BAA15372 for sonic-ll; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-951016) with ESMTP id BAA15363 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (rat@localhost) by granite.mv.net (8.7.5/mem-941101) id BAA04636; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:11:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: sonic@lists.mv.net Subject: sonic list closed. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@lists.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@lists.mv.net Yeah, I know it's early, but so what. This is the last post anyone will see to this list. It's been fun, but everything must come to an end. And the closing of this list has been a learning experience for me to say the least. When I eventually close the other mailing lists here, I will have to remember what happened here and simply close it without warning. And remember guys, it's not the end of the world. It's just a stupid mailing list. If the closing of this list has ruined your life, you probably didn't have one to begin with. And remember to check http://rat.org/sonic/list.html for updates on new sonic mailing lists as people send info to me.