From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 1 07:03:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA03729 for sonic-ll; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:34:09 -0500 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.16]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id GAA03722 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:34:04 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id GAA21701; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:34:02 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602011134.GAA21701@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:34:02 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net David Pistone, the man of many names including rotor@PrimeNet.Com sez: >On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Joseph Delacroix wrote: > >> Actually, it usually does. Mostly, the Alternate Universe stuff >> has the more "mature" themes in it, from my observations, while the >> main universe has more "purist" works. Not to berate either class, >> but merely an observation. >> > >I tell you what, why don't I clarify that... Hey, you op the page, after all. =) >I put stories in the alternative universe section because they conflict >with somethings that's already been stated in the main universe (or, >sometimes, I can't really see them happening in the main universe) > >Here's a few reasons why I put stories in the alternate section... > >they support the idea of robotization poisoning the bodies of it's >victims (Yes, Dan, it's certainly a possible, and probably accurate >side-effect, but I jsut got a little edgy about having it in the main >section) Understandable. It's sort of a gruesome thing for newbies to be running across before they see the lighter stories near the top. (Well, in my case, "Bloodlines" actually drew me in, but you know how friggin' weird I am! =) >they state origins of characters that conflict with stories in the main >section that have previously established origin of said characters... A given. >they present events that would conflict with events in the main universe >(i.e. -- Sandra+Ryan in the main univers and Sandra+Joseph in the alternate) >(Sorry, Joe...Ryan got to it first. ;) ) Ah, it's okay. It's my fault for falling behind in my production schedule. ;) >Those are the real main reasons...as for the rest, it's simply a matter >of if I feel comfortable enough to put it into the main (and yes, Joe, >pure and more traditional) universe. In fact, lately I've been >rethinking a few stories, so I may move some up into the main pretty >soon...hope I don't confuse too many people. Hey, the closer you move my stuff to "Bloodlines", the more I'll like it! >Take care all and may Robotnik never develop space travel...for all our >sakes! =) Well--you'll understand in about 5 more of my texts. Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 1 14:39:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA06868 for sonic-ll; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:54:18 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA06813 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:54:02 -0500 Received: from anx_59.global.co.za (anx_59.global.co.za [196.3.164.109]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA24816 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:45:56 GMT Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:45:56 GMT Message-Id: <199602012045.UAA24816@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Just for the heck of it. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I don't know why I wrote this message really, I just somehow felt that driving urge. It in Fanfic value is a poem written by a wolf, two months after the failed Doomsday project. -=3DEmptyness=3D-=20 I saw the centre of the rotted heart today, ..saw the weeds at play. Heard the winds calling:=20 "The cancer has fallen away." I saw robots, uncontrolled, astray,=20 and alike those metal killing machines,=20 that lack both hearts, lovers and tasks, I am the same. When the battles won and justice done, where do we malfunctioning scrambles of mettle go? What gives us a path,=20 who gives a hell? Where are our leaders, our commanders and lovers? Where are our dreams, ambitions and souls? Where are our pasts, and where is our world? In the dust, amongst the bodies...=20 In the air, with gasses from abyssial depths, In our liquids as the poison. Emptyness, the dust of yesteryear,=20 emptyness our past and future, emptyness, our dreams and goals. I have run all over this jail-cell world, I knew a family, knew a soul.=20 It doesn't cure it.. bores it deeper. The world I knew is no more than the fantasy of a child, lying blanketted in sulphurous cloud, tapped into verses, hidden in riddles. Yes, as I look over my old world..=20 I know where to find my soul, and amongst the ashes I fall. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- I still don't get why I wrote this thing. I hope no one explodes about me sending it to you all. I haven't a clue whether it's on topic or not (But let's not argue about that for 3x10^8 messages Okay? ;) My basic overview, a dude who's about to kill himself? Arghhh! Time to meditate, unbundle my knotted ball of logic. ----------------------------->Comments?=20 Cheers *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | SS SSSSS. S SS SSS.SSS SSSS SSSS | "EARTH! MINE! MINE!!! | | S S S S S S S S S S S | ALL MINE! Now to make | |SSSSSS SSSSS. S SSSSSS S SSSS SSSSS=B7 | those foolish humans= | |S S S S S S S S S S S | pay for their | |S S SSSSS. =B7SSSS S S S SSSS S S | resistance...." = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Now building> http://home.global.co.za/~ablater < From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 1 21:10:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA05693 for sonic-ll; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:35:27 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA05688 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:35:25 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA12882 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:34:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:34:52 -0500 Message-ID: <960201203452_133551635@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Just for the heck of it. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net ::Smiles:: That's soo...::cries:: BEAUTIFUL!! I mean it to! ::sniff:: I've written may poems, like 'Puppets', 'Black Sheep', 'Haunted Souls', 'Strong Failure', 'ShadowedLight'...boy, don't THEY sound depressing. That's what kind of mood I'm in most of the time. ::sigh:: Suni--Who is working on a Star Trek/Sonic the Hedgehog crossover! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 2 13:32:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA10313 for sonic-ll; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:48:19 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA10288 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:47:50 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25334; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:46:07 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id MAA24423; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:46:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199602021746.MAA24423@edmund> Subject: Sonic #33 (for FAQ File) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:46:05 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The usual SPOILERS alert. Sonic #33 [April 1996] Cover art by Spaziante has Sonic up to his ankles and elbows in...well, it sure LOOKS biological! "Let's Get Small" (in 3 parts) Story: Mike Gallagher; Art: Dave Manak WARNING: There's no way I can describe this story without tipping Gallagher's hand and quoting some truly awful puns he's worked into the script. To compensate, I will be rating some of the puns in the course of this review, using the following guidelines: - Bad -- Way Past Bad --- I Think I Shall Hurl ---- A Capital Offence on Mobius So, on with the fun 'n' games. Sonic returns to Knothole from a patrol to find the place almost deserted. It turns out that everybody is laid up with a microbionic infection introduced into their food supply by Robotnik. Since he apparently placed the bugs in an order of take-out fries, everyone has contacted "the French Frirus" (--). Rotor hangs in to give Sonic and the reader the details before passing out. Using a gizmo left over from "Lizard of Odd" [Sonic #3], Sonic gives himself the title treatment and we're off on yet another "Fantastic Voyage" knockoff. Since Rotor has the decency to pass out with his mouth open, Sonic travels down Rotor's gullet until he meets...ROTOR IN DRAG!! Seriously, he comes across a mini-Rotor wearing a print dress, gaudy earrings, and 10 pounds of cotton on its head. This singular entity is called Rotor's "Auntie Bodies" (----). Auntie tells Sonic she's given up fighting against the French Frirus. Not willing to take this lying down, Sonic continues on only to encounter exploding pustules which also speak with Antoine's bogus accent: The French Foreign Lesions (----). Where's the French Anti-Defamation League when you really need them? After Sonic spins past them, he encounters the beret-wearing, equally- accented "Paris-site" (---) who tries to cook Sonic using Fever (an animate flame--you've seen 'em in cartoons a hundred times before). Sonic learns that he can't punch out a flame, but just as he's about to get hit by the Paris-site's "microbe-bar" (-), Auntie Bodies intervenes. Emboldened by Sonic's "unselfish" [and unspecified] act, she conks Paris-site while Sonic runs rings around Fever and extinguishes him. So now it's time for the story's DEUS EX MACHINA: Rotor's Auntie Bodies uses a single- celled cellular phone (--) [she should have used a T-cellular phone!] to contact the Auntie Bodies in the other freedom fighters. Medicine by telepathy...or is that telephony, with a capital PHONEY? Anyway, the sharp of eye can enjoy images of Sally, Tails, Bunnie and Antoine dressed like little old ladies beating up on Paris-sites. Where's the American Association of Retired Persons when you really need them? With Rotor on the road to recovery, Sonic leaves Rotor only to realize that he's too small to reach the controls of the miniaturizer/enlarger. In order to work the switch, Sonic jams himself up Rotor's nose (all together now: EEEEEEEEW!!), causing him to sneeze Sonic onto the controls. Gallagher may think this is a credible turn of the story, but it's snot (sorry, but Gallagher didn't use that joke in the story and it was just lying around). The last time I was down with the flu I felt like I'd been hit by a truck. Still, I also knew that in a week's time the flu would just be a bad memory. Gallagher, however, tells us nothing about the French Frirus. Is it potentially fatal or just a disabling annoyance? There's no way that a comic book aimed at kids would entertain notions of the former, and if the latter is the case then all Sonic has to do is wait for everyone to recover. In short, there's no story. The character of Auntie Bodies doesn't seem to be of much help; if she/it had been threatened by Paris-site in some heinous fashion, you'd have the makings of a Mobian equivalent to a serious immunodeficiency condition. Or would that be too close to reality? The biggest joke in this story, unfortunately, is its display of medical knowledge. Where's the Centers for Disease Control when you really need them? There is, however, one redeeming feature to the story which deserves a place in the Sonic canon. No, it's not the sight of Rotor in drag. At the very end, Sonic prepares a batch of "my Auntie's secret recipe for chicken soup." Not only has such a person as Sonic's aunt never been mentioned (does this mean Uncle Chuck became a widower at some point?), but Rotor points out that "it's made with chili dogs." So that answers one of the long- simmering (--) debates on the list: those chili dogs Sonic's been scarfing all this time have been made with chicken franks! "The Big Picture" Story: Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders; Art: Penders And now, an excerpt [sort of] from "Oliver Twist" by Charles Dickens: The evening arrived; the boys took their places. The editor, in his checkered shirt, stationed himself at the desk; his pauper assistants ranged themselves behind him; the story was served out.... The story disappeared; the boys whispered each other, and winked at Oliver; while his next neighbors nudged him. Child as he was, he was desperate with hunger, and reckless with misery. He rose from the table; and advancing to the editor, the two pages in hand, said: somewhat alarmed at his own temerity: "Please, Sir, I want some more." The editor was a dark, bearded man; but he turned very pale. He gazed in stupefied astonishment on the small rebel for some seconds, and then clung for support to the desk. The assistants were paralyzed with wonder; the boys with fear. "What!" said the editor at length, with a faint voice. "Please, Sir," replied Oliver, "I want some more." The editor aimed a blow at Oliver's head with a rolled-up Archie Digest; pinioned him in his arms; and shrieked aloud for the beadle. The board were sitting in solemn conclave, when Mr. Fulop rushed into the room in great excitement, and addressing he gentleman in the high chair said, "Mr. Goldwater, I beg your pardon, Sir! Oliver Twist has asked for more!" There was a general start. Horror was depicted on every countenance. "For MORE!" said Mr. Goldwater. "Compose yourself, Fulop, and answer me directly. Do I understand that he asked for more, after having read the allotted two pages per month?" "He did, Sir," replied Fulop. "That boy will be hung...I know that boy will be hung." Oh, and some hooded figure in a multi-screened control room is watching Knuckles and the Chaotix. I wonder if anyone remembers the plot, or even cares. "Sonic Shot" Story and Art: Ken Penders The Mobian Freedom Fighters are engaged in a game of ice hockey when Snively shows up with some SWATbots to take on Sonic's team. Snively intends it to be a friendly game, and insists he's there without Robotnik's knowledge. Somehow, Robotnik discovers this and uses it to his advantage, issuing a winner-take-all challenge. Sonic accepts and even though the SWATbots play a very physical game against the Mobians, Sonic makes a save at the net and scores the winning goal--so what else is new? This story came out of nowhere -- to say that Snively's out of character is to have a firm grasp of the obvious. The reader never knows how Robotnik is able to communicate with Sonic et al., is there some kind of monitor at the rink (which had better NOT be located in or near Knothole!), or what? Robotnik doesn't even sic the SWATbots on the Mobians after the match -- he only SAYS he's a sore loser but doesn't prove it by his actions. The writing is flatter than a Zambonied ice rink; these Mighty Ducks don't yield any mighty yucks. No Sonic Grams: only covers for the Super Sonic v. Hyper Knuckles special, and Sonic #34 (which hints that Uncle Chuck might be suffering a relapse). Beyond that, there are 2.5 inches of fine print stating circulation figures which still manages to be more entertaining than the cartoons featuring Scott et al. Ron Bauerle, after analyzing the figures, expressed worry that something like 2/3 of the shipped comics are returned to the publisher by comic shops and so forth, but Paul Castiglia got on the list to assure us that Sonic's sales and circulation numbers are just fine, thanks. Not for long, if they keep on publishing magazines like #33. There really wasn't much to redeem this one. Paul C. has suggested that those of us on the list submit story ideas to Scott Fulop for consideration, in the form of a single short paragraph, three ideas per page. Yet I fear that if someone were, for instance, to submit the plot of Michael Szal's fanfic "Nano-Wars" it would, by the time Archie got through with it, end up reading like "Let's Get Small." Still, in order to rescue the mag from creeping lameness, maybe we'd better start coming up with story ideas for them to work with. Can't be too hard; look at what got into this issue: knockoffs based (however loosely) on two movies: "Fantastic Voyage" and "The Mighty Ducks." Consult Ratman's ftp site for Paul C.'s memo on submissions. In keeping with the rather psychedelic cover art, attention should also be paid to the 1 page ad for the Sonic-Knuckles special toward the back. In the ad, a blue Sonic becomes a yellow Super Sonic, and a red Knuckles becomes a magenta Hyper Knuckles. Their dance-like poses remind me of those colorful dancing bears that are a part of Grateful Dead iconography. Actually, their colors also remind me of the uniforms worn by the members of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. We're sorry, but it's time to go. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 2 18:57:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA05768 for sonic-ll; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:10:03 -0500 Received: from mail (canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA05756 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:09:58 -0500 Received: from nb1-28.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tiUV0-000D3WC; Fri, 2 Feb 96 18:02 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 18:02 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Sonic #33 (for FAQ File) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net No.33 April A $1.65 WHY......... I paid that for what a good Title page and no story. Will some one please kick them maby they will wake up. Wishful thinking. root From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 2 22:41:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA17660 for sonic-ll; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:59:49 -0500 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA17650 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:59:45 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA17046 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:58:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:58:49 -0500 Message-ID: <960202205848_212826541@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic #33 (for FAQ File) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Aunt? Our Aunt Lucy! Lady Lucella! Check BAM: HF1 for details--or wait till I send everyone a story about her. Suni From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 3 19:17:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA03586 for sonic-ll; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:50:00 -0500 Received: from louie.csun.edu (louie.csun.edu [130.166.1.7]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA27440 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 23:42:11 -0500 Received: (vboao0f2@localhost) by louie.csun.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id UAA08485; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:36:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: Sonic the Hedgehog X-Sender: vboao0f2@louie.csun.edu To: SonicMail Subject: From Sonic The Hedgehog Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I just wanted to drop a line to all stating that I just got back on Jan 28th from a month long vacation in Canada... and had to wade through over 900 emails from the list. And I was very impressed with a lot of them. I have two new images in the works and am completing another two simulateously. So that will be four new images for the Sonic Archives. ANy questions? Email me at: ___------__ +------Sonic The Hedgehog-----+ |\__-- /\ _- | Headquarters of the | |/ __ - | Sonic and TAILS Fan Club | //\ / \ /__ +-----------------------------+ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___- Internet address: (@@ __/ / /_ VBOAO0F2@huey.csun.edu -_____--- --_ // \ \\ ___- //|\__/ \\ \ Snail mail Address: \_-\_____/ \-\ Attn: Sonic/Tails Fan Club // \\--\| 17950 Lassen St. #4-307A ____// ||_ Northridge, CA 91330 /_____\ /___\ USA Sonic The Hedgehog Special Thanks to Nick "Sonic_tm" Lehmann for the Artwork! Sonic The HEdgehog, Bryant Melesko(World's largest Sonic art archives) vboao0f2@huey.csun.edu http://www.ysu.edu/~ptighe/sonic.html and http://www.grcom.com/sonic4 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 4 12:11:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA28448 for sonic-ll; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:35:01 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA28435 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:34:59 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA19355; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:34:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: faq-dd update posted Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The February 2 edition of faq-dd.txt is now available. http://rat.org/pub/sonic/text/faq-dd.txt Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 4 12:53:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA01693 for sonic-ll; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:11:48 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA01688 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:11:46 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA21933; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:11:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:11:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: We're 1! Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net o Today, February 4th, 1996, is the first /~~~)~~~~~~~~~~/| anniversary of the Sonic Mailing List!! / |~~| Sonic / | And in a year's time, we've grown from / | 1| Mail / | 3 subscribers to 80 -- not to mention / |__| List / / the many other services to Sonic fandom /______________/ / we've added, like the Resource Page and | | / 2 FAQ's. Thanks go to everyone who has | HAPPY | / contributed in the past year; let's all | BIRTHDAY | / wish for another successful year, blow |_____________|/ out the candle, and have some net.cake! Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Still fighting Robotnik after one year Manager, Sonic the Hedgehog: Internet Denizens For A Free Mobius From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 11:32:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA22786 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:17:28 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA22780 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:17:25 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04781; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:17:15 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id KAA29679; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:17:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199602051517.KAA29679@edmund> Subject: Mobius: The Next Generation To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:17:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: SoniadaH@aol.com In-Reply-To: <960201203452_133551635@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "SoniadaH@aol.com" at Feb 1, 96 08:34:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Suni--Who is working on a Star Trek/Sonic the Hedgehog crossover! > Et tu, Suni? I've been toying with a story idea for a little bit now. It concerns Sally Alicia II, the granddaughter of Sonic & Sally who is a Lieutenant Commander in Starfleet. She receives word that her grandmother Sally, now the Dowager Queen of Mobius and the last living Knothole Freedom Fighter, is dying. Custom dictates that she return to Mobius, since the family traditionally gathers when one member is near death. Sally Alicia II, however, hasn't seen or heard from her family in six years, ever since she decided to abdicate her place in the Mobian succession in order to receive her Starfleet commission. This engendered pretty negative feelings at the time. Though it's not part of the story I've been thinking about, Sally Alicia II has a further complication: a human for a lover. He figures in two "prequels": one where the two first meet at Academy when Sally Alicia II is admitted as the first "non-humanoid" (she is administratively declared to be more animal than human, and "furry" is used as a racial slur); and in a second story where he is assigned to the same ship she's serving on -- no set plot, though I figure it to be one of those "his last shot at redemption" kind of stories. BTW: on the subject of relativity: Sally Alicia II is the daughter of Charles, the son of Sonic & Sally who appears as a kid in the In Your Face #1 special as well as Sonic #22. He's not named in either story, but I'M the one who's been working on these plots so why not! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 12:46:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA00438 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:56:25 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA00429 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:56:18 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA03937 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:56:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, 22593OFF@msu.edu, 73532.2071@compuserve.com, bauerle@lae.gmpt.gmeds.com X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"sonic@bort.mv.net" X-Vmsmail-Cc: @[.RDB]SONIC,@[.RDB]ST,BAUERLE Message-Id: <960205115602.c0ed@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Mobius: The Next Generation Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >> Suni--Who is working on a Star Trek/Sonic the Hedgehog crossover! >I've been toying with a story idea for a little bit now. (plot summary deleted, except for:) >Sally Alicia II, however, hasn't seen or heard from her family in six years, >ever since she decided to abdicate her place in the Mobian succession in >order to receive her Starfleet commission. This engendered pretty >negative feelings at the time. Sort of like Spock and Sarek, and maybe Worf and his family? (Though royal succession wasn't involved there, I guess...) >at Academy when Sally Alicia II is admitted as the first "non-humanoid" >(she is administratively declared to be more animal than human, and >"furry" is used as a racial slur); You'll then have to neglect the animated ST series that had Lt. M'Ress (sp?) a feline furry who filled in for Uhura for a while... And I'm not sure I agree with assessing Sally II as "non-humanoid" - that seems a bit restrictive, given the other races that _have_ been classified as humanoid... Interesting concept (though a depressing one) about "furry" as a slur - I don't remember the fan-fic "Brynne" (which dealt with a future society where genetic technology allowed humans to give their children animal characterstics) posted on alt.fan.furry a while ago as going too deeply into this, but it may have mentioned it in passing. (I could e-mail it to anybody who wanted it - I'd rate it PG-13 for a non-graphic sex scene, and a slightly more graphic violence scene.) RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 13:15:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA03069 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:31:49 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA03062 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:31:37 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA13436 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:31:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:31:05 -0500 Message-ID: <960205123103_313117635@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Mobius Trek: Voygur Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Wohah. That's not ANYTHING like mine--altho you have a cool idea. My idea is a Voyager Parallel. It deals with the final restoration of Mobius, and the inhabitance of the planet find that a interdimetional (sp?) barrier has been found that can send them to another time in their galaxy. The timeline for Mobius is the same as yours, and the Heros of Yesterday have already passed. Animals are already sending out ships to meet the 'humanoids'. (They're called Mamma-oids'--Fuzzy!) The little but powerful ship MIC(Mobius Interplanitary Craft) _Voygur_ set off to find a renegade band of the Mercenatiors (Maquis). En Route, it was wisked off, thru the barrier, to the Caretaker Array. Since the Chaos Emeralds are the man source of power for the ships, and that we already know how to kick butt in making ships, the highest warp ever reached safely would be: TRANSWARP 9.95!!!! Haha! I can't wait to write what Tom Paris's face would look like after he finds THAT out! And since the mammaoids can stand it with out turning into amphibians... The Ship: MIC Voyger The Capitan: Kathryn 'Kat' Hawkway (They all go by a first name basis) The 1st Officer: Talonchye 'Talon' The Security Chief: Clawif Salgon The Helmsman: Timothy Eugene Guilde* 'Tim' The Chief Engineer: Chipana Anderson 'Chippie' The Ops Manager: Garry Rei The Doctor: Doc Arburman The Cook: Dannix The Nurse: Frylai The Mission: To seek out strange new worlds, to boldly go where no animal has gone before!! Hehe.. Suni ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ And know, some quotes...:) *~"Fuzzies??! I'm a Fuzzie!!!!!"~*--Mitzi Abbacca LightStar *~"I spent 10 hours on Mobius.Net for THIS?!?!"~*--Mellisa 'Kopter' Prower *~"AAHH!!! IT MOVED!!!"~*--Saphire 'Speed' McSpiklen And know, some shameless promos...>:) *~Star Trek: Voyager meets Mobius Trek: Voygur---AAAHHH!!!~* *~Comming Soon! ShadowedLight WWW page!~* YES!!!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 14:26:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA10720 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:58:53 -0500 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA10704 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:58:49 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10490 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:58:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: <960205135800_415050371@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius Trek: Voygur Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Oops! The '*' in Tim's name wasn't used! Does anyone know the capital of Dalmont (The French province on Mobius) I need it to use as Tim's last name. (Paris-France. Get it?) Suni ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ And know, some quotes...:) *~"Fuzzies??! I'm a Fuzzie!!!!!"~*--Mitzi Abbacca LightStar *~"I spent 10 hours on Mobius.Net for THIS?!?!"~*--Mellisa 'Kopter' Prower *~"AAHH!!! IT MOVED!!!"~*--Saphire 'Speed' McSpiklen And know, some shameless promos...>:) *~Star Trek: Voyager meets Mobius Trek: Voygur---AAAHHH!!!~* *~Comming Soon! ShadowedLight WWW page!~* YES!!!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 16:54:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA20317 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:57:52 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA20239 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:56:45 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21183; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:55:20 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id PAA11576; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:55:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199602052055.PAA11576@edmund> Subject: Re: Mobius: The Next Generation To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:55:16 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960205115602.c0ed@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at Feb 5, 96 11:56:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > >at Academy when Sally Alicia II is admitted as the first "non-humanoid" > >(she is administratively declared to be more animal than human, and > >"furry" is used as a racial slur); > > You'll then have to neglect the animated ST series that had Lt. M'Ress (sp?) > a feline furry who filled in for Uhura for a while... And I'm not sure I > agree with assessing Sally II as "non-humanoid" - that seems a bit > restrictive, given the other races that _have_ been classified as humanoid... > I'd forgotten about M'Riss, but considering the quality of Filmation animation I'm not surprised. Though that brings up a point: In three years of ST, 7 years of ST:TNG and now ST:V, I honestly can't remember any eps where a furry played anything like a major role. Heck, even Lucas came around and used the Ewoks by the third film. And no, I don't count the Tribbles! Overwhelmingly, it struck me that the bulk of the characters in the ST universe are humanoid. That's when I began to think that Mobians might not fare well in such a context. While Mobians might be sentient mammals, the fact that they would be furries with tails (in many instances) would still set them apart. And the only furry with a tail that was a regular on the Enterprise was Data's cat! Of course, I don't think that anyone would come right our and SAY that Mobians wouldn't belong in Starfleet Academy because they're furries. They'd instead cite the physical requirements of admission and training, etc. (Sheesh! I think I've been following the Citadel story too closely!) Somehow, I can't help but imagine Sally Alicia II's career in Starfleet being a testament to the advice "You'll have to work twice as hard to get half as far"; I imagine her working twice as hard...and getting twice as far! > Interesting concept (though a depressing one) about "furry" as a slur - > I don't remember the fan-fic "Brynne" (which dealt with a future society > where genetic technology allowed humans to give their children animal > characterstics) posted on alt.fan.furry a while ago as going too deeply > into this, but it may have mentioned it in passing. (I could e-mail it to > anybody who wanted it - I'd rate it PG-13 for a non-graphic sex scene, and > a slightly more graphic violence scene.) > I've no idea about "Brynne" -- our sysop has locked the school's computer out of the alt.fan.* groups so I never got a chance to read it. The Mobius/Trek crossover stories aren't being seriously worked on (yet), so don't post Brynne to me, especially if it's of a serious length. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 17:41:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA24707 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:58:44 -0500 Received: from siue.edu (clavin.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA24689 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:58:21 -0500 Received: from 146.163.47.35 ([146.163.47.35]) by siue.edu (8.6.10/8.6.11+) with SMTP id PAA03912 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:56:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199602052156.PAA03912@siue.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 15:58:05 0000 From: David Gonterman Organization: FoxFire Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? X-URL: http://webcrawler.com/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net *That* was a flame, Joseph? No, that was not. *That* was an intelligent answer to the question given. *The Question* itself was a flame. Aimed to all the wusses who think that only pics of naked whatever comprise the Net... David Gonterman From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 21:36:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA08601 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:33:17 -0500 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [204.50.6.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA08596 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:33:08 -0500 Received: by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA29534; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:31:01 -0700 Received: by ender.cuug.ab.ca (V1.17-beta.31{ask@castrov.UUCP/10}/Amiga) id <3dxu@ender.cuug.ab.ca>; Mon, 5 Feb 96 18:11:23 MDT Received: by sago.cuc.ab.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1(sago-1.3)) id AA00391; Mon, 5 Feb 96 17:46:23 MST Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 17:46:23 MST Message-Id: <9602060046.AA00391@sago.cuc.ab.ca> From: uug@sago.cuc.ab.ca (William Graham) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius Trek: Voygur Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Suni the Hedgehog writes: > Does anyone know the capital of Dalmont (The French province on Mobius) I > need it to use as Tim's last name. (Paris-France. Get it?) If you are getting this from one of Antoine's lines in "Spyhog" (the episode where he is captured and Snively tortures him by mis-preparing food), I believe he says he is from "d'Aliment", which, of course, means "of food" in English. (Well, _I_ thought it was a clever pun. But then again, I'm a real sucker when it comes to bad puns, which is one of the things I find charming about the Sonic comics and toons.) - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! - From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 5 22:00:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA10102 for sonic-ll; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:48:17 -0500 Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id UAA10097 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:48:13 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id UAA07179; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:47:59 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602060147.UAA07179@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:47:59 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net dgonterman@aol.com sez: >*That* was a flame, Joseph? > >No, that was not. *That* was an intelligent answer to the question >given. > >*The Question* itself was a flame. Aimed to all the wusses who think >that only pics of naked whatever comprise the Net... > >David Gonterman Dave: Overcaution is, alas, one of my main vices. Even I did not believe what I wrote was a "flame", but past experience dictated my disclaimer at the top of my reply as necessary. However, it is good that you were merely being sarcastic at the time you put the one line troll at the bottom of your message; probably anything less than a full apology from you if you had tried to reply to me would have caused me to become unpleasant. Ol' Joe's been a hair-trigger lately, to put it lightly. All of the various idiotic C-SPAN coverage of the Second Coming of Exon, a bad head cold, unpleasant scholastic experiences, and some various other minor irritations have gradually worn my fuse down to a tiny, tiny nub. I'd bet that unless I get a good dose of NyQuil here pretty soon, I'm going to have to go medieval on some people's buttocks. Sharpening my Swiss Army Knife, Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 6 11:57:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA16481 for sonic-ll; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:07:02 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA16475 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:06:57 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27506; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:06:46 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id LAA29336; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:06:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199602061606.LAA29336@edmund> Subject: Re: Mobius Trek: Voygur To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:06:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960205123103_313117635@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "SoniadaH@aol.com" at Feb 5, 96 12:31:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Thanks for the post. I haven't been too up on Voyager, if only because it's not adequately represented on my local cable system...at least, at anything like a reasonable time. I also couldn't picture Mobian society as a whole getting hopped up about space travel. That's why I thought up having only one Mobian in Starfleet. Then I couldn't help thinking up the various complications mentioned in the plot. Finally, if you're familiar with Disney furries, have I got a .jpg for YOU: check it out at: http://bonkers.neosoft.com/ranger-list/artwork/voyagfur.jpg Let me know if you need a who's who. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 07:11:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA18481 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 06:50:22 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA18472 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 06:50:19 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA09306 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 06:53:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 06:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: Sonic List Subject: Interesting... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net A few things, actually ...... (Archie KIND OF covered this one, but..) 1) How did Tails actually get his two tails? (there's like, 50 different stories for this.....) 2) Are Mobius & Earth connected in any way? 3) How did Sonic here of rock? I mean, there aren't too many influences on Mobius, yet he likes the "heavy metal" ("TAL") scene. 4) Mobius is obviously a cross between REAL biological creatures and mythical ones... (case in point, Dulcy,) if this is true for the FREEDOM FIGHTERS, why would it not be true for Robotnik? (Now THAT'D be a robot army! A bunch of Litches, Trolls, Crystal Dragons!) 5) (And this I don't get...) Sally wears boots and a top, yet no "pants"....I understand they to be cartoons, but is this a fashion statement? The only thing he wears, (Sonic) is boots and gloves...but for good reason. 6) Does Sonic have a band? Well, there's a few to get the ol' list movin' again! BTW- if you see something here that was here before...no shows, please! :) "We will stand where others fall!" -MiGHTY the FoX PS-if anyone knows anything about fixing cpu's (drivers, etc.) e-mail me. Thanx. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 08:36:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA22269 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:01:23 -0500 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.16]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id IAA22264 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:01:19 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id IAA23072; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:01:13 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602071301.IAA23072@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:01:13 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Interesting... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net A closet armadillo , mighty@en.com sez: >A few things, actually ...... (Archie KIND OF covered this one, but..) > >1) How did Tails actually get his two tails? (there's like, 50 different >stories for this.....) My opinion on the subject is that Tails is a kitsune. (In the name of "Bob", who made up this wacked-out theory about Antoine? Do you think he'd give a toenail for "ze common-ar" Tails? Honestly, how silly.) Being a mythical creature, one could justify a race of them (albeit small) on Mobius. >2) Are Mobius & Earth connected in any way? The popular theory is that they are, though I haven't decided if I personally subscribe to that belief. If I ever do, I have a new subarc I could run in my continuing storyline about it. >3) How did Sonic here of rock? I mean, there aren't too many influences >on Mobius, yet he likes the "heavy metal" ("TAL") scene. Probability states that a music style such as rock could develop independently (over time) on several different worlds with intelligent life. Or maybe they heard it from a visiting alien species. *shrug* >4) Mobius is obviously a cross between REAL biological creatures and >mythical ones... (case in point, Dulcy,) if this is true for the FREEDOM >FIGHTERS, why would it not be true for Robotnik? (Now THAT'D be a robot >army! A bunch of Litches, Trolls, Crystal Dragons!) Because Robotnik hates magic. (Kinda.) He hates dragons especially, as several fanfics have shown, and would like to either have them all killed or roboticized. Actually, a more truthful statement would be that Robotnik hates magic he can't *control*. And since I've never seen anyone *want* to be roboticized.... >5) (And this I don't get...) Sally wears boots and a top, yet no >"pants"....I understand they to be cartoons, but is this a fashion >statement? The only thing he wears, (Sonic) is boots and gloves...but >for good reason. *slips semi-in character* Ah, the infamous "I'm not wearing any pants!" thread. Well, my opinion on that topic is that it wouldn't be real classy for Sally to just wear her Wonderbra [tm] (what? you didn't know?) around Knothole. Some sort of Princess thing, I dunno. Me, I wouldn't mind. I don't go out much, anyway...but it might lead to an unnerving trend. Of course, I'm not from around those parts. Maybe Sandra would know. *returns to normal* >6) Does Sonic have a band? The real question is, who would be *in* it? What would they play? Would they live in a multicolored bus? ;) > Well, there's a few to get the ol' list movin' again! BTW- if >you see something here that was here before...no shows, please! :) I'm not the FAQ-keeper, anyway. ;) > "We will stand where others fall!" > -MiGHTY the FoX > >PS-if anyone knows anything about fixing cpu's (drivers, etc.) e-mail >me. Thanx. I always preferred influencing mine with a large hammer. =) Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 09:05:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA24274 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:39:18 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA24263 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:39:15 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11509; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:39:12 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA05187; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:39:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199602071339.IAA05187@edmund> Subject: Re: Interesting... To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:39:10 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Doug LoConti" at Feb 7, 96 06:53:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > 1) How did Tails actually get his two tails? (there's like, 50 different > stories for this.....) > Read the FAQ File. > 2) Are Mobius & Earth connected in any way? > Not directly. Some have posited that Mobius is some kind of post-Holocaust Earth, in which case somebody would have to come up with some kind of archaeological evidence...kinda like the final scene in "Planet of the Apes." > 3) How did Sonic here of rock? I mean, there aren't too many influences > on Mobius, yet he likes the "heavy metal" ("TAL") scene. > No definite answer, but who's to say what the popular music scene was like on Mobius before the takeover? > 4) Mobius is obviously a cross between REAL biological creatures and > mythical ones... (case in point, Dulcy,) if this is true for the FREEDOM > FIGHTERS, why would it not be true for Robotnik? (Now THAT'D be a robot > army! A bunch of Litches, Trolls, Crystal Dragons!) > Robotnik is into exploitation/mechanization. He doesn't appear to have the imaginative capacity to tap into any kind of occult action. He's not like Darth Vader, who is plugged into the dark side of the Force. This probably explains why he banished a wizard, Naugus, to the Void: not being able to control that kind of power himself, he gets rid of those who can. > 5) (And this I don't get...) Sally wears boots and a top, yet no > "pants"....I understand they to be cartoons, but is this a fashion > statement? The only thing he wears, (Sonic) is boots and gloves...but > for good reason. > Proof once again that furries are Not Clear On The Concept(tm) when it comes to clothing. Sally didn't even bother with the vest the first season; in the comics, she acquires the vest as part of the effects left to her by her mentor, Julayla, upon the latter's death (cf. In Your Face #1). Antoine is the most overdressed of the Knothole freedom fighters, though with him it's a status thing. Bunnie's "one-piece swimsuit" has only one purpose that I can tell: silencing the critics and heading off the censors ;-) . > 6) Does Sonic have a band? > A story in Sonic #8 had him putting a band together, but it hasn't been heard from since. > > PS-if anyone knows anything about fixing cpu's (drivers, etc.) e-mail > me. Thanx. > There's a word to describe some broken CPUs, terminals, and other computer parts: "landfill." Thanx, PC Magazine. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 14:18:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA19476 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:54:16 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA19456 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:54:05 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24195; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:53:47 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id NAA08524; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:53:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199602071853.NAA08524@edmund> Subject: Question #11 for FAQ File To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:53:45 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Q11: What exactly are those chili dogs made of? Q11: What exactly are those chili dogs made of? A: When a story is set on a planet populated by sentient animals, the question of their eating habits is no small matter. How would a planet whose population would include intelligent cows and pigs deal with the subject of eating something usually thought to be made out of pork and/or beef? While several members of the Sonic mailing list have suggested that the dogs in Sonic's chili dogs are fashioned from some meat analog, a possible answer appeared at the end of "Let's Get Small" (Sonic #33). In the last panel, Sonic whips up a batch of chicken soup which, Rotor explains, is "made with chili dogs." Since you can't very well call it "chicken soup" if it doesn't contain any chicken, it would appear that those chili dogs Sonic has been scarfing for all these years are made using chicken franks! At least, that's the most plausible theory to date. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 17:30:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA00424 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:37:26 -0500 Received: from sam.neosoft.com (root@sam.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.71]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA20804 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:24:08 -0500 Received: from starbase.neosoft.com (scooter-ppp-d3.NeoSoft.com [206.109.9.200]) by sam.neosoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA19086 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:23:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960207192607.00674668@popmail.neosoft.com> X-Sender: mouse@popmail.neosoft.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 13:26:07 -0600 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Mouse Subject: New fanart Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net OK, I've *finally* finished the second in my Sonic Kids series. This one is of Bunnie, sitting down and looking into the dark woods at night. It can be found at: http://rat.org/pub/sonic/images/drawn/bunni-sl.jpg The first one, if you're interested, can be found there as rotor-sl.jpg Next up? Probably Tails. I'm still curious to see what I can come up with for diapers for a fox with two tails. ;) (Yes, I know. It's been done but *I* haven't seen it, and I'd rather make some attempts myself before being influenced by any other's work on the same. The models for the first two came from the Blast to the Past episodes BTW.) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 20:43:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA16247 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:58:39 -0500 Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU (root@bigboote.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA12120 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:53:45 -0500 Received: from reno.WPI.EDU (tedp@reno.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.1]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08064; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:53:36 -0500 From: Theodore Patri Perrotti Received: (from tedp@localhost) by reno.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26935; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:53:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602072353.SAA26935@reno.WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: Interesting... To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:53:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: tedp@WPI.EDU (Theodore Patri Perrotti) In-Reply-To: <199602071301.IAA23072@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> from "Joseph Delacroix" at Feb 7, 96 08:01:13 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > A closet armadillo , mighty@en.com sez: > > >A few things, actually ...... (Archie KIND OF covered this one, but..) > > > >1) How did Tails actually get his two tails? (there's like, 50 different > >stories for this.....) > > My opinion on the subject is that Tails is a kitsune. (In the name of What's a kitsune? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 21:41:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA20976 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:14:31 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA20968 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:14:26 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25360; Wed, 7 Feb 96 19:14:23 MST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 19:14:23 MST Message-Id: <9602080214.AA25360@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Interesting... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> My opinion on the subject is that Tails is a kitsune. (In the name of > >What's a kitsune? > Since I play one, and have one featured on my web page, I'll answer that. A kitsune (multi-tailed fox) is a magical creature, according to Japanese Mythology. The more tails they have, the more magic, power, and rank they have (nine is the max). But also, the more tails they have, the more corrupt and evil they are. That's all I understand about it. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 7 22:25:47 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA21437 for sonic-ll; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:31:52 -0500 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.16]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id VAA21430 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:31:49 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id VAA00684; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:31:44 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602080231.VAA00684@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:31:44 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Interesting... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Some frood tedp@WPI.EDU sez: >> >> A closet armadillo , mighty@en.com sez: >> >> >A few things, actually ...... (Archie KIND OF covered this one, but..) >> > >> >1) How did Tails actually get his two tails? (there's like, 50 different >> >stories for this.....) >> >> My opinion on the subject is that Tails is a kitsune. (In the name of > >What's a kitsune? A kitsune, in a nutshell, is a mythical multi-tailed (two or more) fox. They're supposed to have magical powers 'n stuff. Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 8 09:13:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA12593 for sonic-ll; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 08:06:17 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA12582 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 08:06:14 -0500 Received: from nb1-48.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tkW2y-000D56C; Thu, 8 Feb 96 08:06 EST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 96 08:06 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Interesting... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > >A kitsune, in a nutshell, is a mythical multi-tailed (two or more) fox. >They're supposed to have magical powers 'n stuff. > Well he can fly. I guess thats magic. root From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 8 21:50:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA15549 for sonic-ll; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:03:41 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA15543 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:03:37 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA11871 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:03:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:03:06 -0500 Message-ID: <960208210254_418104763@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net After reading several of the postings and checking out some of the SONIC web-sites, as one of the main writers (and sometime artist) on Archie's SONIC series, I thought I'd give a behind-the-scenes peek of what goes on in the making of a typical issue. Actually, there isn't any such animal as a typical issue, as each story is a unique entity unto themselves. We're always trying to come up with something different, fun and exciting that tops what we've already done. Hopefully, people are going to have fun and enjoy the finished work when it comes out. Readers have inquired into many aspects about the world of SONIC, especially aspects of the characters and the continuity of the stories as they relate to each other. Mike Kanterovich and I have always taken the attitude that writing SONIC and his friends should be approached as if we were writing BATMAN or SPIDER-MAN. That is, this a character that people like and we are just mere chroniclers of his adventures. We never treat it as if it were just another job, or "only" a funny animals story. There are some aspects in writing the book that are simply beyond the control of the editors at Archie Comics or we the writers. SEGA has the final say on everything, even if they contridict themselves. I've recently seen SONIC comics that were produced in Britain. My initial reaction ranged from one of envy, because for many and various reasons, we simply can't do stories like that for Archie, no matter how much we may want to, to feelings of disbelief, that SEGA would allow stories published where SONIC appears so "off-model". If you only knew how many times the artists at Archie have been told to correct the spines on SONIC because the drawings looked off-model, and then along comes offically approved stories that feature drawings that came out of a Mike Gallagher script. (No disrepect to Mike is intended or inferred, as I'm sure he'd be the first one to agree.) One aspect that's been very difficult to handle has been the issue of continuity. Mike and I have always tried to keep our stories within the established framework while adding new pieces to the puzzle, so to speak, and in the course of producing SONIC'S adventures, it's just not possible to be aware of what every writer on every SONIC story is up to, so there are going to be inconsistencies from time to time. I've just turned in the script for issue #44. There's a chance I may have to make a revision or two based on what occurs in #43. (The scripts I turned in for #38 and 39 were pushed back to #41 and 42, respectively.) Right now, I've submitted a plot synopsis for ENDGAME, a four issue spectacular that begins in issue #47 and concludes in #50, with an ending that changes the status quo in SONIC considerably. As a matter of fact, a harbinger of things to come can be found in SONIC #36 as well as the KNUCKLES mini-series. Speaking of KNUCKLES, I'd like to clarify a point here for the confused and frustrated. The 2-page stories as seen in issues #31 through #33 were NOT part of the story originally. The 8-page stories you will see in #34 through 36 WERE what was SUPPOSED to be there. What happened was this: Comics are solicited to the comics shop months ahead of time. Retailers place their orders based on what they believe they can sell. Whatever they order, they HAVE to buy. If Archie promises a KNUCKLES story in an issue of SONIC, and the retailer orders the book based on the information he has been provided with, and the book appears with NO KNUCKLES story, then the retailer can return the book. With me so far? Okay then. Archie promised KNUCKLES stories in SONIC #31 through #33. AFTER these books were solicited to the retailers, word came in that a traditionally NON-COMICS BIG TIME retailer wanted to carry the KNUCKLES MINI-SERIES. The ONLY way this could be done was if the series release date was PUSHED BACK three months. Scott Fulop, then editor of SONIC, had only days to turn in issue #31 to the printers. He had to make a decision and he had to make it quick. There WASN"T any way he could get an all-new story written and drawn and APPROVED BY SEGA in under a week's time. It's just NOT possible. So he asked Mike and I to do two-page fillers to keep the story going so we could by-pass the process in having to get another story approved. Since 2 pages was all that could be written, pencilled, lettered, inked and colored in the alloted time in order to get #31 to the printers, it was decided to stick to that format for the next two issues. Nobody was happy with this. Scott, Mike and I anticipated that readers would feel cheated with this, but we hope when they get to the full stories, all will be forgiven. I've received some mail on the stories we do, and I've found that writing for SONIC is quite a balancing act. Take "Sonic Shot" in issue #33, for instance. For the most part, the younger readers liked it, while some adults thought it bland. In this case, I'd have to go with the opinions of the younger readers because it was they who inspired the story and for whom it was intended. For those who criticized that some parts stretched credulity because, for example, it wasn't possible for Robotnik to communicate with SONIC as shown, my answer is this. I only had EIGHT pages to play with. I decided to focus on plot, pacing, fun and sportsmanship. If I had a page or two more, I could've gone into more detail, but sometimes part of what gets you through a story is by letting the readers fill in the blanks. While Mike and I generally go for a more middle-of-the-road approach in aiming the stories at both younger and older readers, the fact of the matter is that a LOT of SONIC readers are primarily a younger audience, and once in awhile we'll do something specifically for them. If anyone has questions they'd like to field my way, feel free to do so. If you have story ideas for submission to Archie, by all means, I encourage you to try. You may get lucky. One word of caution: we're in the midst of planning stories that take us to issue #60. No scripts have been planned or written after #50 as yet, but issue #50 does present some really special surprises in store for the readers, so any writer interested in submitting should be prepared to make whatever changes necessary to the story to conform with the continuity as it's being set up. (And no, I'm not going to give the game away at this point.) Take care and thanks for your interest. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 00:14:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA23443 for sonic-ll; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:03:17 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA23437 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:03:14 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA21487 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:03:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:02:57 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960208230257.11b06@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Question #11 for FAQ File Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >it would appear that those chili dogs Sonic has been >scarfing for all these years are made using chicken franks! At >least, that's the most plausible theory to date. But wasn't one of Robotnik's sidekicks (based on the yukky syndicated version and seen in earlier comics though) based on a chicken? (I forget his name...) RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 00:17:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA24643 for sonic-ll; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:35:01 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA24620 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:34:20 -0500 Received: from nb2-16.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tkkXC-000D2jC; Thu, 8 Feb 96 23:34 EST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 96 23:34 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >If anyone has questions they'd like to field my way, feel free to do so. If >you have story ideas for submission to Archie, by all means, I encourage you >to try. You may get lucky. One word of caution: we're in the midst of >planning stories that take us to issue #60. No scripts have been planned or >written after #50 as yet, but issue #50 does present some really special >surprises in store for the readers, so any writer interested in submitting >should be prepared to make whatever changes necessary to the story to conform >with the continuity as it's being set up. (And no, I'm not going to give the >game away at this point.) > >Take care and thanks for your interest. Stories STORIES!!!!! There is so many good storys out the it would make your head spin. If there was a direct E-mail to Sonic Grams then it would be easier to just send them. I don't find it fun to mail a 10 page story and jam it into a envolope. It just doesn't fit. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 09:11:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA09119 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:55:38 -0500 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA09114 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:55:34 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA25687 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:54:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: <960209075454_217934417@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: KenP7672@aol.com cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ken: You never identified yourself as writer Ken Penders... Best, Paul From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 09:36:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA09090 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:54:14 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA09085 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:54:12 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA06901; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:53:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 07:53:41 -0500 Message-ID: <960209075340_217933975@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: butcher@iaw.on.ca cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: comic story submissions Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dear Paul: I read with interest your comments about submitting stories to comic publishers (specifically Sonic, and "jamming a 10 page story into an envelope"). You should know that, in general, there are just not enough hours in the day for an editor to even hope to be able to read a 10 page submission (especially Sonic-- which is more than a full time job-- I know, I used to edit it and the work load as well as dealing with SEGA was never-ending). That's why we (and all other comic publishers, for that matter) encourage those submitting scripts to send short synopses (of 2-3 paragraphs) only. I feel it's important for people on the outside to understand what it's like on the inside-- it's not a personal slight if an editor doesn't read your 10 page manuscript; just an impossibility due to time constraints. Hope this clears that up for you... Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 09:50:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA10113 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:24:27 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA10107 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:24:25 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06510; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:24:19 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA14480; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:24:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199602091324.IAA14480@edmund> Subject: Re: Question #11 for FAQ File To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:24:18 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960208230257.11b06@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at Feb 8, 96 11:02:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) > > >it would appear that those chili dogs Sonic has been > >scarfing for all these years are made using chicken franks! At > >least, that's the most plausible theory to date. > > But wasn't one of Robotnik's sidekicks (based on the yukky syndicated > version and seen in earlier comics though) based on a chicken? (I forget > his name...) > > RDB > You're thinking of Scratch, he of the annoying laugh. Hey, I'm just trying to cobble the available facts together into a coherent theory. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 10:11:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA10065 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:22:56 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA10060 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:22:54 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06483; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:22:49 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA14421; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:22:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199602091322.IAA14421@edmund> Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:22:49 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Lapensee" at Feb 8, 96 11:34:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Stories STORIES!!!!! There is so many good storys out the it would make your > head spin. If there was a direct E-mail to Sonic Grams then it would be > easier to just send them. I don't find it fun to mail a 10 page story and > jam it into a envolope. It just doesn't fit. > The good news is, you don't have to do a 10-page treatment. If you'll read Paul Castiglia's memo on submitting story ideas (located in Ratman's ftp file), you'll find that story ideas are to be submitted in ONE PARAGRAPH. He says that this is due to the pressures of the job of editor. I trust that this isn't a statement about Scott's attention span ;-) . ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 10:16:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA11474 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:46:33 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA11467 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:46:29 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07234; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:46:24 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA16224; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:46:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199602091346.IAA16224@edmund> Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:46:24 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960208210254_418104763@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "KenP7672@aol.com" at Feb 8, 96 09:03:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net TO: Ken Penders WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!! Seriously, Ken, thank you very much for your post. Speaking as one of the resident critics of the comic, I appreciate the insight your post afforded. Particularly the situation involving the Knuckles story and why it had to be dribbled out with 2-page teasers. Knowing now what I didn't know then, I think it safe to say that the REAL story will be an improvement. I can sympathize with the problem of deadlines. Your post also leans toward confirming a pet theory of mine: that some behind-the-scenes shortstopping by SEGA doesn't help matters. I take it this happened with the Sally miniseries and delayed its roll-out. Your statements about future developments are...tantilizing, to say the least. If you've done any browsing of the fanfic you know that a number of us have our own notions, pet theories and ideas as to which way the stories should go. Not all of them, of course, are suitable for Archie, but this lets you know how one segment of Sonic fans thinks about the characters and situations. Thanks again for taking the time, ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 11:39:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA18811 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:22:37 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA18806 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:22:35 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA07270; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:22:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:22:03 -0500 Message-ID: <960209102202_418474726@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: butcher@iaw.on.ca cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: comic story submissions Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net <> They can be sent via email, but in all honesty we have no need for new stories at the moment. We have a full plate of story ideas and writers on tap for about the next year and a half. Thanks for your interest just the same. Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 12:21:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA17841 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:06:39 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA17819 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:06:07 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA10257 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:06:04 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:05:46 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960209100546.11579@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Behind the scenes and submitting stories Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: Benny7dude@aol.com >Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes >You never identified yourself as writer Ken Penders... It took me a second, but I figured it out :^) I hope Ken doesn't take personally any of the criticism of his stories and art that's shown up here on the list, which leads me to my next comments: >From: Benny7dude@aol.com >Subject: comic story submissions >You should know that, in general, there are just not enough hours in the >day for an editor to even hope to be able to read a 10 page submission >(especially Sonic-- which is more than a full time job-- I know, I used >to edit it and the work load as well as dealing with SEGA was never-ending). I hope the sense of creating something entertaining made/makes up for all the work, but I can't help feel that the list conveys a sense of never being able to please us - if it's not the stories, it's the art, etc. Please know that your efforts _are_ appreciated; Sonic is the only regularly published furry comic out these days, and given that you have to make money on it (i.e., meet tough schedules), plus please a wide age range, plus deal with the owners of the characters, _almost_ makes me glad I'm in the locomotive building business vs. the comic publishing business (OTOH, I seldom hear praise from _our_ customers (and managers) either - the locomotives are late, too expensive, or unreliable, etc.). Keep up the good work! Ron Bauerle From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 12:32:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA19173 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:31:24 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA19166 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:31:22 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA10841 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:30:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:30:51 -0500 Message-ID: <960209103050_418480182@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: KenP7672@aol.com cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ken Penders wrote: <> Ken, thanks for backing me up in this. The fact is, nearly 85% (if not more) of Sonic's many readers ARE the younger audience. While it's great that the remaining percentile (many of whom subscribe to this mailing list) are adults who are enthralled with the more complex aspects of the Sonic mythology, it's important for everyone to know that in the interest of fairness, the younger (and more prevalent) audience's needs must also be met. Hence, Sonic stories aimed at a variety of age groups in our comics. We aim to please all... Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 14:38:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA02290 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:47 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA02285 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:45 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA26911 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:14 -0500 Message-ID: <960209131613_140029419@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Actually, Scott's attention span was pretty good. In fact, all the Archie editors are a considerate bunch. If they haven't responded to any inquiries personally, it's not because they don't want to or can't be bothered, but the simple fact that the workload is a backbreaker. So take pity, okay? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 15:31:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA02284 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:45 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA02279 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:42 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA17580 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <960209131609_140029383@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Question #11 for FAQ File Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Regarding the issue of chili-dogs, they're made from soybeans or some form of seafood by-products, and let's leave it at that! Sheeeesh! Some things are better off left alone. Just like inter-species crossbreeding. If hybrids like Mr Spock are accepted, I can buy into this regarding Sally and Sonic and any children they may have. I just don't want to dwell on the mechanics or feel it's necessary to. If someone wants to debate this point, I'm game. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 15:35:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA02303 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:56 -0500 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA02294 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:52 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA03297 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:16:12 -0500 Message-ID: <960209131610_140029442@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net To Dan: Feel free to express your comments and criticisms whenever you like. I think some of it is valid and other parts uninformed. However, lots of other people aren't aware of what goes on in the production of the comic series unless they're one of the few involved, so I understand when the comment made is such. The problem is I don't have the time to always correct the record. I accept this, don't get offended when you don't like something, and try to make my next story better than the last. One thing that makes writing SONIC (and Archie titles in general) harder than say, your average super-hero title, is that we CAN'T do continued stories whenever we like. Most stories have to fit in whatever page count we're alloted, whether it's 8, 11, 16 or 24 pages. The writers don't have the luxury of being able to prolong the action like you see in your average DC or Marvel comic where one story can take up to half a year or more worth of issues. The writers also sometimes have to jettison a story they'd rather work on in favor of one the editor or a SEGA representative wants to see done, because that is the direction they want the book to go in. The writer may make suggestions, and if it's a good day, hopefully the editor will be receptive. (In most cases, they usually are.) That the PRINCESS SALLY mini-series came out at all is a minor miracle. Not quite on the level of the Beatles reuniting, but close. Scott was pulling his hair out during the entire process doing his best to keep things moving along. In fairness to the people at SEGA, they wanted to create a viable environment where the public would be anticipating more PRINCESS SALLY products such as a her own video-game or line of t-shirts or whatever, and the comic series represented the beginning of that, so it was important to them that it was done the best it could be. The sad part was fan reaction was VERY positive, but poor distribution resulted in poor sales. I'd still like to do another SALLY mini-series. Regarding browsing any SONIC fan fiction, I'm afraid I won't be reading any until I'm no longer working on SONIC. We already have a game plan mapped out for the forseeable future, and if I use something somebody has already written, I run the risk of appearing to have borrowed from another writer's ideas. My apologies for this policy, but I hope you understand. Thanks for your interest. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 15:51:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA02832 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:29:48 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA02826 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:29:46 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA02864 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:29:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:29:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199602091829.NAA02864@emout05.mail.aol.com> Apparently-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net ries Ron - No, I don't take the criticism personally. At least you understand it's a difficult process to put together an issue of SONIC. Mike Kanterovich and I may not always hit the mark, but we try our best to make everyone happy. Feel free to express your comments and criticisms anytime. If I feel a criticism valid, it's useful in helping to do better the next time. BTW, my son and I are big train fanatics, which is where "A ROBOT RIDES THE RAILS" in SONIC #31 originated from. I'd been dying to write and draw a story with a train in it for a long time, and this represented the perfect opportunity. My only regret is we didn't have a couple of more pages so I could've featured more detailed shots of the train itself. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 16:35:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA10942 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:06:52 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA10937 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:06:50 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA14620; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:06:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:06:48 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes In-Reply-To: <960209103050_418480182@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Fri, 9 Feb 1996 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > Ken, thanks for backing me up in this. The fact is, nearly 85% (if not more) > of Sonic's many readers ARE the younger audience. While it's great that the > remaining percentile (many of whom subscribe to this mailing list) are adults > who are enthralled with the more complex aspects of the Sonic mythology, it's > important for everyone to know that in the interest of fairness, the younger > (and more prevalent) audience's needs must also be met. Hence, Sonic stories > aimed at a variety of age groups in our comics. We aim to please all... Hmm.. Wasn't there some aesop fable about not being able to please everyone? I think the solution would be to make 2 comics. One for young audiences, and another for older. Of course that might not be cost effective, which is probably why it's not being done already. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 18:30:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA20289 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:22:52 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA20281 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:22:47 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA00646 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:22:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:22:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960209172224.11579@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Aesop's fables, was Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Going off-topic now... >From: Ratman >Hmm.. Wasn't there some aesop fable about not being able to please everyone? Well, there was the one about the man with two wives: one older, the other younger. The former liked his gray hair, and would comb it and pick out the black ones; the latter liked his black hair, and would comb it and pick out the gray ones. He ended up bald :^) I don't remember the wording of the moral though... >I think the solution would be to make 2 comics. One for young audiences, >and another for older. Of course that might not be cost effective, which >is probably why it's not being done already. Put another way: there aren't enough older readers to sustain a comic just for them - look what happened to other furry comics (e.g., Captain Carrot, etc.) RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 20:19:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA27979 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:07:04 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA27959 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:06:58 -0500 Received: from nb2-24.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tl2q9-000D5DC; Fri, 9 Feb 96 19:06 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 19:06 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ken has ARCHIE ever considered a monthy Prince Sally comic. That's about as close as it every got to the real show!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 9 23:14:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA09235 for sonic-ll; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:08:05 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (acme@use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA09230 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:08:03 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA00938; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:08:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Ratman wrote: > Hmm.. Wasn't there some aesop fable about not being able to please everyone? > I think the solution would be to make 2 comics. One for young audiences, and > another for older. Of course that might not be cost effective, which is > probably why it's not being done already. They say you can't please all the people all the time, but you can please all the people some of the time (whereas you can and now do please some of the people all the time). The market may not be able to sustain 2 regular comics, but it may be able to sustain the present comics plus a quarterly comic geared towards the older readers. The quarterly comic can also be a little bigger so stories can be done in greater depths. I'm thinking of something around the size and page count of the Archie Digests. Some existing advertisers will cross over, but Archie will get a chance to recruit new advertisers who, to now, would never have given Archie Comics a second look when trying to find places for their advertising dollars because the present demographics are all wrong for them. You will also give today's younger readers something to "graduate" to. It's better they remain your customer 4 times a year than 0 times a year, and their patronage may continue to or past college graduation. You could also offer a $2 discount on subscriptions for those who want to subscribe to both the regular monthly and to the quarterly (a $1 discount off each). The "Generation X" crowd has a rep of being hard to sell to, but with plenty of forethought and planning, you can probably find a way to make the most of a market that definitely exists. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 11 13:43:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA10416 for sonic-ll; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:01:53 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA10409 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:01:51 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10489 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:01:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: <960211130119_318901838@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: PRINCESS SALLY Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The PRINCESS SALLY mini-series just didn't do well enough to warrant another shot. From what we can tell, it seems there was a problem with distribution which prevented a lot of people from finding and picking up the book. You also had the core audience of little boys that felt awkward picking up a title that they felt was aimed more at girls. However, when you plopped a copy into their hands and made them read the first issue, that's all it took. They were hooked. We received a lot of applause from various fans who did read the books and liked what we did. Both Mike and I wanted a more serious tone to the series to make it just different enough to justify having it stand on its own. If you liked the PRINCESS SALLY mini-series, you're going to love the upcoming KNUCKLES mini-series. We did some pretty hair-raising things in those stories. In fact, it gets downright apocalyptic. Mike and I just shook our heads after we submitted those scripts because we thought SEGA would blow us out of the water and they didn't. We're looking forward very much to your reactions once the story starts unfolding in SONIC #34. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 11 14:04:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA10408 for sonic-ll; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:01:48 -0500 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA10402 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:01:46 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA06658 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:00:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <960211130059_318901805@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Aesop's fables, was Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is in response to those who suggest a SONIC series geared toward older readers while letting the younger readers have their version. Economics is not the driving force here. The main factor is what is best for the corporate interests. Let's start with Archie, because they're a basic, bottom-line company. Archie is Disney, pure and simple. When they veer into other things is comparable to Disney using Miramax or Touchstone or Hollywood Pictures as a smokescreen to do non-traditional Disney fare. Disney is many times bigger, granted, than Archie, but what both companies are founded on is good, clean wholesome family fun. You KNOW what to expect from an Archie comic. Even when he met the Punisher, it was Archie's established style that set the tone for the book. Then you have SEGA, which created SONIC as an answer to Nintendo's SUPER MARIO. (Remember them?) Sonic became popular with game players of all ages, especially kids, and so SEGA sought to cement that family image with a product produced by Archie Comics. Not DC. Not Marvel. Not even Image or Dark Horse. It wasn't until after Mike and I wrote "THIS ISLAND HEDGEHOG" guest starring Knuckles that SEGA began re-evaluating their attitudes about how the characters should be handled. We submitted a sequel to "TIH" titled simply "RETURN TO THE FLOATING ISLAND", featuring more elements of the SONIC 3 game that didn't make it into issue #13. SEGA put that story on-hold, as they were trying to figure out how to market KNUCKLES to an older teen crowd. By this time, especially with the Saturday morning cartoon rating really high with the kids, it became clear that anything that featured SONIC and his pals was going to be scooped up by the kid crowd. If we had put out a KNUCKLES book aimed at an older teen crowd, the parents of the pre-teen set would be out for blood, because here they would've bought a product they thought was appropriate for their little ones. The people at Archie knew this and resisted efforts to push toward the older crowd. Mike and I were among those that supported Archie in this. Sure, it meant we couldn't do some things we would have liked to, but it did force us to get more creative in our approach to the material. I have an 8-year-old son who was very much into SONIC, even before his dad started writing the book. In fact, it was his interest that led me to take the assignment of writing the stories. He's my barometer of what type of stories to do and how far I can push the envelope. I also have many friends with children who read the stories to their children. Their comments are always carefully considered when I try to incorporate an idea or concept that might be too "adult" for the book. I'm always striving for the balance. If one chooses to, one can go back and reread the stories Mike and I have done on a number of levels. For example, "IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT", I had a number of mothers read this story to see if we handled the subject of death appropriately enough. Not one objected. Not one. On the other hand "FIRST STAR I SEE TONIGHT" elicited knowing laughs from the same audience at the appropriate moments. Then there's the concepts of other dimensions, parallel universes, time travel and other science fiction staples. I try to make certain the concept can be grasped easily enough by the non-science fiction fan, but it gets tricky. If this is not quite what you were hoping for, at least there is a book that can be enjoyed with the possibility of expanding the envelope wherever and whenever we can. (All within the boundaries of good taste, of course.) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 11 14:44:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA13914 for sonic-ll; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:06:32 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA13908 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:06:29 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23524; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:06:17 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id OAA16304; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:06:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199602111906.OAA16304@edmund> Subject: Re: PRINCESS SALLY To: sonic@bort.mv.net, KanP@andrews.edu, KenP@andrews.edu Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:06:15 -0500 (EST) Cc: KenP7672@aol.com In-Reply-To: <960211130119_318901838@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "KenP7672@aol.com" at Feb 11, 96 01:01:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > The PRINCESS SALLY mini-series just didn't do well enough to warrant another > shot. From what we can tell, it seems there was a problem with distribution > which prevented a lot of people from finding and picking up the book. You > also had the core audience of little boys that felt awkward picking up a > title that they felt was aimed more at girls. However, when you plopped a > copy into their hands and made them read the first issue, that's all it took. > They were hooked. > > We received a lot of applause from various fans who did read the books and > liked what we did. Both Mike and I wanted a more serious tone to the series > to make it just different enough to justify having it stand on its own. > And you're both to be congratulated for it. While I may not have said as much in so many words, "Deadliest of the Species" represented very strong writing. As someone else observed, it was one of the most complex plotlines to appear in the comics and yet it managed to retain readers' interest. It deserved a better fate; I can be a witness that in my corner of the country (southwestern Michigan), I really wasn't sure where or when to find it on the stands. I ended up sending away for all three issues. I'd like your permission to quote from some of your posts and revise FAQ #7: "What happened to the Princess Sally miniseries?" I'd never thought that we'd get an answer to the question straight from Archie: I pretty much had the Sonic-Gram in Sonic #21 and the ads for the miniseries in Sonic #22 to go on -- kinda like when the CIA used to try figuring out who's on first in the USSR from who stands where on top of Lenin's Tomb during the May Day parades. It would be good to have an authoritative answer, but netiquette dictates that I get your permission even though you've posted to the list already. E-mail me directly, please. I'd also like to quote your post on the use of meat analogs in chili dogs and update FAQ #11. I know it seems weird to be preoccupied with this stuff, but I think the only two subjects that have REALLY taken up a lot of bandwidth are a) Is/isn't Sally a fox? (the pro-fox believers are serious die-hards), and b) the origin of Tails' tails [FAQs #4 and #1, respectively]. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 11 15:17:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA14658 for sonic-ll; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:38:30 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA14653 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:38:27 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24723; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:38:19 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id OAA19610; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:38:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199602111938.OAA19610@edmund> Subject: Re: Aesop's fables, was Re: Behind The Scenes To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:38:19 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960211130059_318901805@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "KenP7672@aol.com" at Feb 11, 96 01:00:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ken: This post pushed a couple of my favorite buttons: [snip] > By this > time, especially with the Saturday morning cartoon rating really high with > the kids, it became clear that anything that featured SONIC and his pals was > going to be scooped up by the kid crowd. If we had put out a KNUCKLES book > aimed at an older teen crowd, the parents of the pre-teen set would be out > for blood, because here they would've bought a product they thought was > appropriate for their little ones. The people at Archie knew this and > resisted efforts to push toward the older crowd. Mike and I were among those > that supported Archie in this. Sure, it meant we couldn't do some things we > would have liked to, but it did force us to get more creative in our approach > to the material. > I've got no problem with that. What I think might be a concern with some of us on the list is...well, I remember a statement that was made in the context of a documentary on Elvis Presley's film career. Someone was quoted as saying: "After 'Jailhouse Rock' they thought they could put Elvis in ANYTHING and it would make money. They were right." THAT, I think, is the concern: not that you have a core audience and you're sticking with it, but that the level of the writing might start drifting downward to the lowest common denominator. Glad to hear you're working to stay creatively fresh. Speaking of which: [snip again] > > If one chooses to, one can go back and reread the stories Mike and I have > done on a number of levels. For example, "IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT", I had a > number of mothers read this story to see if we handled the subject of death > appropriately enough. Not one objected. Not one. I don't know when I first noticed Sonic comics for sale, but I can tell you that the first issue I ever bought was #18, BECAUSE OF "In The Still Of The Night"! I was THAT impressed with your handling of the death of Julayla. It was excellent writing: nothing "happened" in the sense of plot, but the story was very well written. And I especially loved your elegant solution to the problem posed in the old "Kung Fu" TV series! Yet the best part of the story was the way it added depth to the characters -- I've said as much in previous posts on this list, some addressed to Paul Castiglia. It made such an impression that I went so far as to incorporate Julayla into one of my fanfic stories set in a time when the freedom fighters were ten years old: "Capture The Flag." But enough about me. There have been examples of strong writing throughout the series: "Wedding Bell Blues" saved the twist until the end, to good effect. "That's The Spirit" worked well, though I thought Sally wouldn't be so dismissive of Tails' insistance that Sonic was still alive--she seemed more empathetic than that. But then you have the two-parter "Growing Pains" which started out with such promise, and which not a few of the members of this list latched onto, only to turn into a train wreck in the second half. I don't know what you have planned for the next 18 months, but I know a lot of fans wouldn't be disappointed if you brought back Fiona and had her joining the Knothole gang! Just the usual $.02, ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 11 16:40:49 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA20651 for sonic-ll; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:58:51 -0500 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA20644 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:58:49 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA06473 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:58:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:58:12 -0500 Message-ID: <960211155811_141453167@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: KEN! HI-EE!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey, Ken! (Cool! A writer! Nifty!) I want to praise your work, especialy your writing. It's cool! I like the depth you put in your stories. It works for me. Your penciling has GOT to be inked by Harvo anytime it can be--it brings out your artistry. Oh, not to put you down, or anything, but you miigghtt wanna work on Sally. I'm not a long-winded writer, so this is short. I just wanted to welcome you to our mailinglist. Later! ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ And now, some quotes...:) *~"Fuzzies??! I'm a Fuzzie!!!!!"~*--Mitzi Abbacca LightStar *~"I spent 10 hours on Mobius.Net for THIS?!?!"~*--Mellisa 'Kopter' Prower *~"AAHH!!! IT MOVED!!!"~*--Saphire 'Speed' McSpiklen And know, some shameless promos...>:) *~Star Trek: Voyager meets Mobius Trek: Voygur---AAAHHH!!!~* *~Comming Soon! ShadowedLight WWW page!~* YES!!!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 11 22:41:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA08740 for sonic-ll; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:35:55 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA08735 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:35:53 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA09449 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:35:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:35:21 -0500 Message-ID: <960211213520_141691815@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net And Now, a Public Message from The FoxFire Studio Web Page http://users.aol.com/dgonterman ---Ahem---- As I was typing this article out, I was noticing that the majority of the internet are now dressed in black, as it were. They are currently in morning over the fact that Satan's child, a.k.a. Bill Clinton, who may be defiling the oval office with his presence but was never and will never be my president, (Rush Limbaugh is, you damn fools!!!) has signed the Telecomunications Bill that makes cybersmut a crime and demands Violence Chips on TVs. You might think that I'm joining in on this "party," because some of my pages are black, expecially the ones with the big pictures of my artwork on it. They are *not* black for the above reason. They are black so you can see the pics better. No other. I find myself IN FAVOR of *somebody* controlling the availability of material hazordous to minors on the Net (That's *smut* you dumb@$$!!), because I believe that there is just too much Sexual Material crammed into their lives all at once. Whatever happening to having fun, just making friends, and getting to *know* your net.lover before you go to the back seat of your 486DX2-66? Surely Nodoby on the net will pass a law to outlaw *that*!!! I will discuss this further later on in American Kitsune. I would like to assure to my little rest stop on the Information Superhighway and the Telecomuniation Bill *will not in any way* affect this page. I do not allow such crap to even touch my page, and therefore do not have anything for whoever's playing net.police raise a stink about. The same goes for rat.org, now that the hentai ('Perverts' to those who aren't in Anime) department was removed, half a year before this Bill. The same goes for the remainer of the Sonic Pages. We're not www.playboy.com here. We're just a bunch of guys and gals discussing a Video Game universe for Pete's Sake! And In a network the size of the entire cosmos, to boot!! You think that anyone outside our little world *cares*? I don't. The average Joe Cyberjock will not be affected by the Telecommunications bill which is trying to keep NC-36 rated crap from people who don't need it in their lives. All this laments of censorship is just hysterical parinoia brought on by pinko commie liberals with tiny minds who think primarily with their penises. They can have their little pics of doing dogs and naked ugly performance artists with a bullwhip in their anus. I just don't want them, and the same goes for most of my fans!!! That's all. The Net is NOT dead!! Long live the Net!!! And The FoxFire Studios will still be trucking down the Information Superhighway, no matter *what* Exon will think about it. Remember: The only way to stop me is to kill me, and if I'm dead tomorrow, Clinton did it. Please Support your Favorite Smut-Free Web Sites "It is better to light a candle, than to curse the Darkness" FoxFire Studios From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 03:39:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA07101 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 02:53:55 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA07089 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 02:53:51 -0500 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id BAA17367 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:53:48 -0600 Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id BAA22738; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:53:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:53:49 -0600 (CST) From: James Firmiss To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes In-Reply-To: <960209103050_418480182@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I'd first like to say... Welcome to the Sonic Mailing List Ken! I've enjoyed the Archie Sonic comic ever since I got copies of two (of 4) Sonic miniseries issues from the Chicago Consumer Electronics Show a few years back (I also saw parts of the SAT-AM cartoon before it officially aired there too). I'm pretty sure I have all the issues out so far (even Sonic 1/4... that 8-page subset of Sonic Miniseries #0) On Fri, 9 Feb 1996 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > Ken, thanks for backing me up in this. The fact is, nearly 85% (if not more) > of Sonic's many readers ARE the younger audience. .... I think a lot of people on this list didn't realize this... or sometimes forget this fact. I'm sorry to hear that the Sally Miniseries didn't do as well as hoped... I'd probably have avoided it too when I was younger (superficially, it looked too much like a 'girl comic'... eeewww... coodies). As far as 'finding' the comic.. I didn't have any problems here. For some reason the comic book shop I usually go to gets Sonic issues before anyone else on this list (I got the Sonic vs. Knuckles 48 page special about a week ago... excellent! ... almost as good as Sonic 25 (my favorite issue so far) ) Too bad the 2-page Super Sonic vs Hyper Knuckles pinup drawing wasn't placed right in the center like it looked like it should have been... Was that a mistake? Also... Is there any chance of getting Scot Shaw! to do some more drawing for Sonic? -- SUPER SPOILER ALERT -- Now THAT's an interesting twist... What's this with Sally and Knuckles knowing each other... Is Archie trying to turn the Sonic/Sally/Geoffery 'love triangle' into a Sonic/Sally/Geoffery/Knuckles 'love tetrahedron'? Is this thing about the power rings being a manifestation of power crystals (or visa vera) one of those inconsistancies that Sega has presented Archie with? I thought Uncle Chuck was supposed to be the one who invented the rings. I'm guessing it took a while for the 'Sonic Universe' to become more self-consistant and people should take the earlier issue's plots with a grain of salt. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 07:50:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA17273 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:36:19 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA17268 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:36:16 -0500 Received: from nb1-35.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tlwYQ-000D59C; Mon, 12 Feb 96 06:36 EST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 06:36 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >And Now, a Public Message from The FoxFire Studio Web Page >http://users.aol.com/dgonterman > >---Ahem---- > >As I was typing this article out, I was noticing that the majority of the >internet are now dressed in black, as it were. They are currently in morning >over the fact that Satan's child, a.k.a. Bill Clinton, who may be defiling >the oval office with his presence but was never and will never be my >president, (Rush Limbaugh is, you damn fools!!!) has signed the >Telecomunications Bill that makes cybersmut a crime and demands Violence >Chips on TVs. You might think that I'm joining in on this "party," because >some of my pages are black, expecially the ones with the big pictures of my >artwork on it. > >They are *not* black for the above reason. They are black so you can see the >pics better. No other. > >I find myself IN FAVOR of *somebody* controlling the availability of material >hazordous to minors on the Net (That's *smut* you dumb@$$!!), because I >believe that there is just too much Sexual Material crammed into their lives >all at once. Whatever happening to having fun, just making friends, and >getting to *know* your net.lover before you go to the back seat of your >486DX2-66? Surely Nodoby on the net will pass a law to outlaw *that*!!! I >will discuss this further later on in American Kitsune. > >I would like to assure to my little rest stop on the Information Superhighway >and the Telecomuniation Bill *will not in any way* affect this page. I do >not allow such crap to even touch my page, and therefore do not have anything >for whoever's playing net.police raise a stink about. The same goes for >rat.org, now that the hentai ('Perverts' to those who aren't in Anime) >department was removed, half a year before this Bill. The same goes for the >remainer of the Sonic Pages. We're not www.playboy.com here. We're just a >bunch of guys and gals discussing a Video Game universe for Pete's Sake! And >In a network the size of the entire cosmos, to boot!! You think that anyone >outside our little world *cares*? I don't. > >The average Joe Cyberjock will not be affected by the Telecommunications bill >which is trying to keep NC-36 rated crap from people who don't need it in >their lives. All this laments of censorship is just hysterical parinoia >brought on by pinko commie liberals with tiny minds who think primarily with >their penises. They can have their little pics of doing dogs and naked ugly >performance artists with a bullwhip in their anus. I just don't want them, >and the same goes for most of my fans!!! That's all. The Net is NOT dead!! > Long live the Net!!! And The FoxFire Studios will still be trucking down >the Information Superhighway, no matter *what* Exon will think about it. > >Remember: The only way to stop me is to kill me, and if I'm dead tomorrow, >Clinton did it. > >Please Support your Favorite Smut-Free Web Sites >"It is better to light a candle, than to curse the Darkness" > >FoxFire Studios > I agrea with the no smut on you MUCK if there is a problem with any of my storys just tell me and I'll fix it. The Common Problem is as hot as it will get and thats it. Foglove now has to deal with her new problem blood. Paul Lapensee (La-pon-say) French :-) root From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 08:10:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA19977 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:11:03 -0500 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.16]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id HAA19972 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:10:59 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id HAA25772; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:10:57 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602121210.HAA25772@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:10:57 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net And now, yet another apology. Normally, I would directly reply to someone who had said something that was inflammatory to myself. After all, I know how irritating it is to see an irrevelant flame war bouncing into your mailbox every morning. Therefore, I request that all future replies to this message from any other parties be directly addressed to David and I personally. This message is not at all StH related. You may stop reading here. ^L DGonterman@aol.com sez: >And Now, a Public Message from The FoxFire Studio Web Page >http://users.aol.com/dgonterman And the expected reply by myself, Joseph de LaCroix, resident EFF backer and an avid supporter of the First Amendment. >---Ahem---- > >As I was typing this article out, I was noticing that the majority of the >internet are now dressed in black, as it were. They are currently in morning >over the fact that Satan's child, a.k.a. Bill Clinton, who may be defiling >the oval office with his presence but was never and will never be my >president, (Rush Limbaugh is, you damn fools!!!) has signed the >Telecomunications Bill that makes cybersmut a crime and demands Violence >Chips on TVs. You certainly dislike Clinton, don't you? While I also personally dislike the man, I hope that you realize he has had very little to do with the current state of the government. After all, he *is* only a figurehead. (I won't comment on Rush.) Also, he had little choice but to sign the document. If he would have vetoed it, the Congress would have overriden it and made him look like a supporter of "kiddie porn" (or whatever the ultraconservative lunatics are crying that the Internet is filled with today). If he would have ignored it, he would have looked like a supporter of "kiddie porn". Thus, the only politically viable move he had was to sign the accursed thing. That's life. >You might think that I'm joining in on this "party," because >some of my pages are black, expecially the ones with the big pictures of my >artwork on it. > >They are *not* black for the above reason. They are black so you can see the >pics better. No other. > >I find myself IN FAVOR of *somebody* controlling the availability of material >hazordous to minors on the Net (That's *smut* you dumb@$$!!), because I >believe that there is just too much Sexual Material crammed into their lives >all at once. Whatever happening to having fun, just making friends, and >getting to *know* your net.lover before you go to the back seat of your >486DX2-66? Surely Nodoby on the net will pass a law to outlaw *that*!!! I >will discuss this further later on in American Kitsune. I am going, friends, to try to remain calm. David, do you honestly mean that you want the United States government, an organization that has so far f-ked up the economy of most of North America and can barely keep order in its own capital; an organization mostly made up of computer illiterate, old, white males; and an organization with the ability to silence any irritating little schism within its borders, controlling EXPRESSION on the Internet?! In the name of whatever deity you worship, Gonterman, you're playing with fire by supporting such lunacy. Don't you realize that free speech, no matter if it is offensive to you, is the most vital part of democracy? The loss of it is the first step into a police state. Now, I agree that minors should be kept away from porn...by use of *local* filters installed by (that's right) PARENTS. You know, those people who used to be able to control their children? THEY should be the ones who are responsible for what their children see, not a monolithic establishment like the US government. Honestly, if you can't control what your children see, don't have them. >I would like to assure to my little rest stop on the Information Superhighway >and the Telecomuniation Bill *will not in any way* affect this page. I do >not allow such crap to even touch my page, and therefore do not have anything >for whoever's playing net.police raise a stink about. The same goes for >rat.org, now that the hentai ('Perverts' to those who aren't in Anime) >department was removed, half a year before this Bill. The same goes for the >remainer of the Sonic Pages. We're not www.playboy.com here. We're just a >bunch of guys and gals discussing a Video Game universe for Pete's Sake! And >In a network the size of the entire cosmos, to boot!! You think that anyone >outside our little world *cares*? I don't. Take a look at the big picture, David. The government will first take away the porno and the "offensive" materials from the net, much to the glee of the Chirstian Coalition and other fringe groups. Then, perhaps they'll extend the law into the "dangerous" things on the 'net; hacker stuff, cypherpunk pages, the HTMLized version of the Jolly Roger, etc. And after that, maybe a bit more of a stretch into the realm of "cults". Then, the "unpopular" and "weird" sites will come under the thumb of Uncle Sam. And that, friends, is when they start to become obvious in their oppression, even to the layman... Free speech, no matter what the message is, should be allowed to flourish all over the world; especially in America. >The average Joe Cyberjock will not be affected by the Telecommunications bill >which is trying to keep NC-36 rated crap from people who don't need it in >their lives. All this laments of censorship is just hysterical parinoia >brought on by pinko commie liberals with tiny minds who think primarily with >their penises. Thank you, Mr. Bunker. Insults from a flaming ultraconvervative neo-Nazi dog, who thinks only with the peanut that happens to occupy the vacuous pocket between his ears, comes as a compliment to me, a mere pinko commie liberal with a tiny mind, who thinks primarily with my penis. Name-calling: don't do it unless you want it back. >They can have their little pics of doing dogs and naked ugly >performance artists with a bullwhip in their anus. I just don't want them, >and the same goes for most of my fans!!! You think that's the only stuff that'll be affected? Riiiight. >That's all. The Net is NOT dead!! Not yet. >Long live the Net!!! And The FoxFire Studios will still be trucking down >the Information Superhighway, no matter *what* Exon will think about it. So YOUR stuff should be protected, while everyone ELSE'S can go right to *Hell*, right? That would be funny if it wasn't so damn STUPID. >Remember: The only way to stop me is to kill me, and if I'm dead tomorrow, >Clinton did it. Clinton didn't do it, you plebian. Clinton had to sign it in order to keep from getting smacked with it during the election. Congress and Senator Exon actually *did* it. >Please Support your Favorite Smut-Free Web Sites >"It is better to light a candle, than to curse the Darkness" "When they came for the porno sites, I said nothing because I was not one. When they came for the hacker sites, I said nothing because I was not one. When they came for the weird sites, I said nothing becase I was not one. When they came for the anarchist sites, I said nothing because I was not one. But when they came for my site, nobody spoke up...because they were all gone." -- paraphrased from a Holocaust survivor. >FoxFire Studios Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 10:23:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA24204 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:37:45 -0500 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA24199 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:37:42 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01422; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:37:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: <960212083707_420468515@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: BAUERLE@engr.erir.ge.com cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Grand Sonic Station Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi, Ron: Thanks for the kind words and understanding. As you said, working on the railroad results in many complaints as well. I have to tell you, I took the train for four years to college, and yes, there were many breakdowns and problems. In retrospect, however, the smooth, uneventful rides outnumbered the negative ones. I hope people think of our Sonic comics the same way. Yes, we're trying to please all age groups-- and that may sometimes put off the older readers. But at least there have been some good "older reader" stories published-- and more to come! Thanks again! Best regards, Paul Castiglia From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 12:10:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA06361 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:54:10 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA06356 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:54:07 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA08669; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:54:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:54:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black In-Reply-To: <960211213520_141691815@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 DGonterman@aol.com wrote: > And Now, a Public Message from The FoxFire Studio Web Page > http://users.aol.com/dgonterman > > ---Ahem---- > [snip] > They are *not* black for the above reason. They are black so you can see the > pics better. No other. This is the kind of thing that is appropriate ON your pages. You should have made a page to explain this. This is obviously off topic, and you know it. Do it again, and you will be kicked off. NOBODY should reply to this posting. If you feel like replying to this, write to me directly and not the list. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 13:56:29 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA12958 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:25:41 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA12938 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:25:25 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA10792; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:25:23 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:25:23 +0100 (MET) From: Iggy Drougge X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black In-Reply-To: <960211213520_141691815@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 DGonterman@aol.com wrote: > And Now, a Public Message from The FoxFire Studio Web Page > http://users.aol.com/dgonterman > > ---Ahem---- > > As I was typing this article out, I was noticing that the majority of the > internet are now dressed in black, as it were. They are currently in morning > over the fact that Satan's child, a.k.a. Bill Clinton, who may be defiling > the oval office with his presence but was never and will never be my > president, (Rush Limbaugh is, you damn fools!!!) has signed the > Telecomunications Bill that makes cybersmut a crime and demands Violence > Chips on TVs. You might think that I'm joining in on this "party," because > some of my pages are black, expecially the ones with the big pictures of my > artwork on it. Mine are black, to protest against censorship, which is Bad. > They are *not* black for the above reason. They are black so you can see the > pics better. No other. As with my Transformerspage, to give the black TF look. > I find myself IN FAVOR of *somebody* controlling the availability of material > hazordous to minors on the Net (That's *smut* you dumb@$$!!), because I > believe that there is just too much Sexual Material crammed into their lives > all at once. Whatever happening to having fun, just making friends, and > getting to *know* your net.lover before you go to the back seat of your > 486DX2-66? Surely Nodoby on the net will pass a law to outlaw *that*!!! I > will discuss this further later on in American Kitsune. No smut is going to jump up on their screens. You have to actively search for it. OTOH, what is bad is censorship. Especially trying to censor an international medium. A net.lover is a completely different thing than a picture. Is AK a fanfic of yours? > I would like to assure to my little rest stop on the Information Superhighway > and the Telecomuniation Bill *will not in any way* affect this page. I do > not allow such crap to even touch my page, and therefore do not have anything > for whoever's playing net.police raise a stink about. The same goes for > rat.org, now that the hentai ('Perverts' to those who aren't in Anime) > department was removed, half a year before this Bill. The same goes for the > remainer of the Sonic Pages. We're not www.playboy.com here. We're just a > bunch of guys and gals discussing a Video Game universe for Pete's Sake! And > In a network the size of the entire cosmos, to boot!! You think that anyone > outside our little world *cares*? I don't. I don't care at all what people do in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamsters.duct-tape, and noone should. It's their business, and on the net you mind you own business. If you drag your kids online, then you have to take responsibility for them. I think I'll put up a page with the images from the perv directory, once I find them all, just for the Pete of it. > The average Joe Cyberjock will not be affected by the Telecommunications bill > which is trying to keep NC-36 rated crap from people who don't need it in > their lives. All this laments of censorship is just hysterical parinoia > brought on by pinko commie liberals with tiny minds who think primarily with > their penises. They can have their little pics of doing dogs and naked ugly > performance artists with a bullwhip in their anus. I just don't want them, > and the same goes for most of my fans!!! That's all. The Net is NOT dead!! > Long live the Net!!! And The FoxFire Studios will still be trucking down > the Information Superhighway, no matter *what* Exon will think about it. This is quite a fatal blow to freedom and the net. Most of the most-read groups on the net are in fact groups with either the word "sex" or "erotica" in them, and the most searched-for word in the Web search engines are "sex". It isn't their business what people do with their computers. Hopefully, the saying "Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.". There are still many countries and servers from which you may post your pictures and stories, so this will only make the people it wants ti get to go underground or route around it. > Remember: The only way to stop me is to kill me, and if I'm dead tomorrow, > Clinton did it. =) > Please Support your Favorite Smut-Free Web Sites Nah. Never liked the Crocket guy. BTW, what does this have to do with the list? =) =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 15:12:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA15731 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:03:22 -0500 Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com (ix7.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.7]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA15722 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:03:05 -0500 Received: from Miles' World by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA00699; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:02:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:02:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199602121802.KAA00699@ix7.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: danramos@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Dan Ramos Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 10:54 AM 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 DGonterman@aol.com wrote: >> They are *not* black for the above reason. They are black so you can see the >> pics better. No other. > >This is the kind of thing that is appropriate ON your pages. You should have >made a page to explain this. Wow.. how often does this hafta happen, huh? >This is obviously off topic, and you know it. Do it again, and you will be >kicked off. > >NOBODY should reply to this posting. If you feel like replying to this, >write to me directly and not the list. I actually replied to him and Joseph D. about the actual topic.. and forgot to mention the off-topic-ness it was for the Sonic list. ...but that aside.. Didja see what he said? Rat dewd.. ya gotta understand that I'm a somewhat religious Romand Catholic, registered republican conservative 23 year old... and I *HATE* the CDA... and this guy's talking as as if Rush Limbaugh is God and knows everything and that the CDA is a step in the right direction. OOOOOooooh God! :/ I haven't listened to Rush Limbaugh in ages 'cause he's changed a lot... he's not the logical make-sense politic-news-talkperson that he used to be.. he's turned into Mr.Popular, an entertainer. Oi! Wotta place to spout out almost nazi-like stuff.. the Sonic list. :P uhh.. so how's your day been? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 16:19:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA22835 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:40:20 -0500 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (cunyvm.cuny.edu [128.228.1.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA22821 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:40:17 -0500 Received: from diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 12 Feb 96 14:40:00 EST Received: from DIANA/SpoolDir by diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 12 Feb 96 15:57:09 -500 Received: from SpoolDir by DIANA (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 12 Feb 96 15:56:41 -500 From: "Z0rO Swordsman of the Net and Master of Corn" Organization: Hunter College High School To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:56:41 EST5EDT Subject: The Sonic game for PC\ Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <9FCA61B5A57@diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Is this the sonic server??? I heard that someone is trying to write a sonic game for the PC. Im eager to help, can program Pascal and ASM, cant draw though.. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 16:58:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA26948 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:28:12 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA26943 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:28:10 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA12470 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:28:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:27:25 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960212152725.11d30@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Dan Ramos >Oi! Wotta place to spout out almost nazi-like stuff.. the Sonic list. :P Here's my attempt to drag this back on-topic: This whole CDA thing sounds like a Robotnik ploy to me; bad enough it's trying to force censorship, but my cable rates will go up (again) too... RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 17:42:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA01807 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:30:35 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (acme@use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA01802 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:30:33 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA29682; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:30:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:30:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Z0rO Swordsman of the Net and Master of Corn cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ In-Reply-To: <9FCA61B5A57@diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Z0rO Swordsman of the Net and Master of Corn wrote: > Is this the sonic server??? > > I heard that someone is trying to write a sonic game for the PC. Im > eager to help, can program Pascal and ASM, cant draw though.. This is the Sonic mailing list. There is a Sonic PC game in development now; however, this list is NOT the correct place for discussions or queries with regard to the PC game. If you would like to discuss the game, send these commands: subscribe mettle end in the text area of a message to majordomo@lists.mv.net. Do not use the Subject: line as majordomo will ignore it. The project leader's home page can be found at http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Member of Team OS/2 Manager, "Sonic the Hedgehog" mailing list Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 18:27:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA06241 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:23:37 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA06235 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:23:34 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA09682; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:29:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ In-Reply-To: <9FCA61B5A57@diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Z0rO Swordsman of the Net and Master of Corn wrote: > > Is this the sonic server??? > > I heard that someone is trying to write a sonic game for the PC. Im > eager to help, can program Pascal and ASM, cant draw though.. > Z0rO, write to "mettle@bort.mv.net" :) (and yes, we are looking for programmers.) Oh yeah, I have a question for those that care: how come we rarely see the OTHER freedom fighters in the comix? Just curious.. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 18:28:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA05518 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:09:01 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA05512 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:08:59 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA18560; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:08:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:08:59 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ In-Reply-To: <9FCA61B5A57@diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Z0rO Swordsman of the Net and Master of Corn wrote: > Is this the sonic server??? > > I heard that someone is trying to write a sonic game for the PC. Im > eager to help, can program Pascal and ASM, cant draw though.. There is a whole mailing list for talk on that, so talk about the PC game is banned from this list. If you want to join that list, write to majordomo@lists.mv.net and put this in the message body: subscribe mettle write to owner-mettle@lists.mv.net if you have any other questions. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 19:26:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA09977 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:03:38 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA09970 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:03:35 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA07450 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:03:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:03:03 -0500 Message-ID: <960212180302_320112397@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Eek...sorry bout that last post. I didn't agree FULLY on what my friend David said, but in the case of spontanious action, I wrote it. But, yes, I think Clinton should burrrnnn... As for Porno...EWW! Like *I* would acually get INTO that stuff....NASTY!!! :p to all of you... (not really) Emily ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ And now, some quotes...:) *~"Fuzzies??! I'm a Fuzzie!!!!!"~*--Mitzi Abbacca LightStar *~"I spent 10 hours on Mobius.Net for THIS?!?!"~*--Mellisa 'Kopter' Prower *~"AAHH!!! IT MOVED!!!"~*--Saphire 'Speed' McSpiklen And know, some shameless promos...>:) *~Star Trek: Voyager meets Mobius Trek: Voygur---AAAHHH!!!~* *~Comming Soon! ShadowedLight WWW page!~* YES!!!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 19:39:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA13635 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:51:51 -0500 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (root@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.52]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA13626 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:51:49 -0500 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux3.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux3.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.123]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA34941 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:51:45 -0600 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux3.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA28295; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:51:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:51:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199602122351.RAA28295@linux3.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dear friends > NOBODY should reply to this posting. If you feel like replying to this, > write to me directly and not the list. Well, I want to add my voice to the chorus of outrage other members on the list feel about this posting. We all have to stand together to unite against such vicious narrow-mindedness. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara Princess Sally - "As for being my boyfriend, in the past you just had to contend with jealousy from a certain Hedgehog ( and believe me, that's enough! ) -- now you're going to have to deal with a rather suave rogue of a skunk! Good luck!" From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 19:57:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA09784 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:59:29 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA09775 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:59:23 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01279 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:58:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:58:51 -0500 Message-ID: <960212175850_320109236@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net YOOOWEE!! WWHOO-HAAAWW! GO, DAVEY DARLIN'!!!!! ::begins hooting and shouting:: YAAAAA!!!!!!!! ::does flying kick into Clinton standup--it has darts and other nice little things like bullet holes and scorch marks:: LONG LIVE RUSH LIMBAGH!! <(Luv the show, my daddy got me hooked) DOWN WITH THE PHONY KING OF AMERICA!! <(we're talkin' PHONY) Yes, this letter is Politicly Inncorect and all that crap, and if you take offence, go soak your head in acid. Raised Presbyterian and Repubilcan, Emily S. Smith ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ And now, some quotes...:) *~"Fuzzies??! I'm a Fuzzie!!!!!"~*--Mitzi Abbacca LightStar *~"I spent 10 hours on Mobius.Net for THIS?!?!"~*--Mellisa 'Kopter' Prower *~"AAHH!!! IT MOVED!!!"~*--Saphire 'Speed' McSpiklen And know, some shameless promos...>:) *~Star Trek: Voyager meets Mobius Trek: Voygur---AAAHHH!!!~* *~Comming Soon! ShadowedLight WWW page!~* YES!!!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 21:32:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA19937 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:06:54 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA19925 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:06:49 -0500 Received: from lex.dorm.rutgers.edu (lex.dorm.rutgers.edu [128.6.139.12]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA28706 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:06:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199602130106.UAA28706@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:06:20 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: I don't care.... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I'd really like to know when the purpose of this list was changed from Sonic to Political activism. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 21:32:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA19834 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:03:52 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA19829 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:03:50 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA23272; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:03:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black (admin note) In-Reply-To: <960212180302_320112397@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ok, enough is enough. Anyone posting about this censorship thing and not even attempting to relate it to Sonic will be kicked off the list. IF ANYONE REPLIES TO THIS POSTING ON THE LIST, they will also be removed from the list. Understand? Anyone who doesn't like this, can write to majordomo@lists.mv.net and put "unsubscribe sonic" in the message body. On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 SoniadaH@aol.com wrote: > Eek...sorry bout that last post. > > I didn't agree FULLY on what my friend David said, but in the case of > spontanious action, I wrote it. But, yes, I think Clinton should burrrnnn... > > As for Porno...EWW! Like *I* would acually get INTO that stuff....NASTY!!! > > :p to all of you... > > (not really) > > Emily > > ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ > --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ > $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* > $ @ @ | \ | > $ @ @ | \ | * > $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * > $ @ @ | \ | * > $ @ @ | \ | > $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ > And now, some quotes...:) > *~"Fuzzies??! I'm a Fuzzie!!!!!"~*--Mitzi Abbacca LightStar > *~"I spent 10 hours on Mobius.Net for THIS?!?!"~*--Mellisa 'Kopter' Prower > *~"AAHH!!! IT MOVED!!!"~*--Saphire 'Speed' McSpiklen > And know, some shameless promos...>:) > *~Star Trek: Voyager meets Mobius Trek: Voygur---AAAHHH!!!~* > *~Comming Soon! ShadowedLight WWW page!~* > YES!!!!! > > > > > > > From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 12 21:45:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA19736 for sonic-ll; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:02:26 -0500 Received: from utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (root@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.52]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA19729 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:02:24 -0500 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Received: from linux3.ph.utexas.edu (lara@linux3.ph.utexas.edu [128.83.131.123]) by utpapa.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA112126 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:02:22 -0600 Received: (lara@localhost) by linux3.ph.utexas.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA28843; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:02:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:02:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199602130102.TAA28843@linux3.ph.utexas.edu> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dear friends KP: The writers don't have the luxury of being able to prolong the action like you see in your average DC or Marvel comic where one story can take up to half a year or more worth of issues. Is there any way to change policy to allow writers that option if they want it, like through a write-in campaign? KP: In fairness to the people at SEGA, they wanted to create a viable environment where the public would be anticipating more PRINCESS SALLY products such as a her own video-game or line of t-shirts or whatever Princess Sally merchandise. What a concept. :-) Are any of these suggested tie-ins going to be actually developped. I hope so. KP: The sad part was fan reaction was VERY positive, but poor distribution resulted in poor sales. I'd still like to do another SALLY mini-series. If a gaffe in distribution caused the problem, maybe someone can be persuaded to give you a chance at a second series with more care taken over the distribution. That second series should succeed. KP: Disney is many times bigger, granted, than Archie, but what both companies are founded on is good, clean wholesome family fun. It's a wonder then that you were able to get the Love Triangle story thread through then. :-) It's just seemed to me that the comic book had been pitched at too low a level in recent issues, with ideas like the Auntie Bodies. I'd prefer that the comic book have a reality closer in line to the Saturday Morning Cartoon, which was still popular with kids. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara Princess Sally - "As for being my boyfriend, in the past you just had to contend with jealousy from a certain Hedgehog ( and believe me, that's enough! ) -- now you're going to have to deal with a rather suave rogue of a skunk! Good luck!" From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 00:45:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA15974 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:47 -0500 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA15963 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:44 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12376 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:17 -0500 Message-ID: <960213000616_220738288@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Geoffrey has turned out to be quite popular with a number of readers, for which I'm gratified. So has the "Love Triangle" thread, which will see further development in upcoming issues. A bit of behind the scenes info here: The Love Triangle thread would've been the focal point of a second PRINCESS SALLY mini-series. Since that's not going to happen in the foreseeable future, it's just being spread out over several issues of SONIC. Ken From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 00:59:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA15962 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:45 -0500 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA15957 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:42 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19173 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 00:06:05 -0500 Message-ID: <960213000603_220738268@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Which Freedom Fighters do you think you're not seeing enough of? Bunnie? Yep, I agree there. You're gonna see more of her in upcoming issues. Antoine, Rotor and Tails are featured practically every issue. The same can be said for Sally. We've introduced Geoffrey of his Majesty's Secret Service, which makes him a defacto Freedom Fighter. We've shown Dylan, Arlo, Penelope and Hamlin as Freedom Fighters in training. If I'm missing something in your inquiry, please be more specific. Ken From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 07:28:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA08689 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:49:43 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA08684 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:49:40 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA14797; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:56:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:56:17 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ In-Reply-To: <960213000603_220738268@emout07.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 KenP7672@aol.com wrote: > Which Freedom Fighters do you think you're not seeing enough of? Bunnie? Yep, > I agree there. You're gonna see more of her in upcoming issues. Antoine, > Rotor and Tails are featured practically every issue. The same can be said > for Sally. We've introduced Geoffrey of his Majesty's Secret Service, which > makes him a defacto Freedom Fighter. We've shown Dylan, Arlo, Penelope and > Hamlin as Freedom Fighters in training. If I'm missing something in your > inquiry, please be more specific. > > Ken > No offense, (not YOU guys's fault, I blame Sega,) I HATE Antoine as a charachter. I'd actually like to see LESS of him. ;) (he's very annoying and doesn't provide that comic relief. I think Rotor is a better comic releif, and he's usually not even funny!) I'm partial to Tails and Sally myself. :) "We will STAND where others fall" -MiGHTY FoX, freedom fighter INTERNATIONAL From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 07:51:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA08315 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:47:18 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA08310 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:47:15 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA14743; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:53:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 06:53:51 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes In-Reply-To: <960213000616_220738288@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 KenP7672@aol.com wrote: > Geoffrey has turned out to be quite popular with a number of readers, for > which I'm gratified. So has the "Love Triangle" thread, which will see > further development in upcoming issues. A bit of behind the scenes info here: > The Love Triangle thread would've been the focal point of a second PRINCESS > SALLY mini-series. Since that's not going to happen in the foreseeable > future, it's just being spread out over several issues of SONIC. > > Ken > Ken, check this out, for it may be valid. I was wondering: When STH first started out, it was VERY kiddie-based. What I mean by that is there drawings were OK, the "puns" were nerdy, and the vocab was aimed towards our "younger generation". NOW, I fully understand that. HOWEVER, recently, the vocabulary is expanding, the artwork, (thank God take this as a compliment! :)) is becomming awesome to say the least, and the puns aren't QUITE as bad, (they're still pretty bad.) It's good to see you guys are getting so much better, but why? I guess what I'm asking is did people get laid off because they were doing a crappy job, and better artists/etc. haulled in? I haven't noticed TOO many changes. Maybe it's just me. PS-don't take the previous as a bash. I guess I'm just a little kid with a bigger allowence & still buy all the STH stuff-yes, even princess sally mini-series, (and NO, I'm not gay!). So, as you do KEEP up the good work, IMPROVE, IMPROVE, IMPROVE! :) BTW-4 all that care, my web page is BROKEN and I can't fix it for a plethora of time. (why? my CPU is BROKEN that's why.) Later! "We will stand where others fall" -MiGHTY the FoX, freedom fighter international From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 09:48:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA14866 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:46:27 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA14861 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:46:23 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA10418 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:46:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 8:45:46 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960213084546.12584@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Doug LoConti >I guess I'm just a little kid with a bigger allowence & still buy all the >STH stuff-yes, even princess sally mini-series, (and NO, I'm not gay!). Uh, not that I would know or anything, but I'd think the _least_ likely guys to buy a Princess Sally comic would be gay... :^) (you haven't read much of alt.fan.furry, have you? :^)) RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 10:44:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA17333 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:42 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA17321 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:39 -0500 Received: from nb1-39.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tmLMR-000D52C; Tue, 13 Feb 96 09:05 EST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 09:05 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I know I have said this before. I don't beleave that ARCHIE is limited to what they do on Sonic. I know they said something like they can't do storys like Marvel or DC. Hmmmmmm. Explain why TMNT was great even better then the show. Why can't they do the same for Sonic is it Sega or limited resoures. I would really like to see the comic get closer to the show it was based from. I mean if I was around 10 years old I'll think the story were weird. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 11:44:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA23234 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:44:27 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (acme@use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA23229 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:44:26 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA03824; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:44:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > No offense, (not YOU guys's fault, I blame Sega,) I HATE Antoine as a > charachter. I'd actually like to see LESS of him. ;) (he's very > annoying and doesn't provide that comic relief. I think Rotor is a Some have said Antoine is the way he is because of shock brought on by the war. Fine, but enough is enough. Our Vietnam veterans suffering from PTSD have their problems, but acting like Antoine does (or similar thereto) is quite exceptional for them. He is so inept you'd think the other Freedom Fighters would, if nothing else, let him stay back in Knothole. There's surely something he could do that even he can't screw up while the others are out on missions. Remember when Sonic was willing to let the cannibal hyenas just keep Antoine? The other FF's themselves consider him dead-weight. Could his lack of a tail somehow be connected to his apparent lack of a brain? It doesn't have to be this way, though. I got 3 of the Teitelbaum books last year, and Antoine wasn't half the dolt he is in the cartoons and Archie comics. Archie did let Antoine sort-of succeed in a mission when Tails left a power ring in M/Robotropolis. Maybe it's time to build on that and let him mature slowly but surely over the next year or two, and one day he will look back and think, "Oh how could I, Antoine Zee Great, evair have been so... so stupide?". Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 13:43:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA01800 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:39:23 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA01795 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:39:21 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA15239; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:39:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:39:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 wrote: > On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > > > No offense, (not YOU guys's fault, I blame Sega,) I HATE Antoine as a > > charachter. I'd actually like to see LESS of him. ;) (he's very > > annoying and doesn't provide that comic relief. I think Rotor is a > > Some have said Antoine is the way he is because of shock brought on by > the war. Fine, but enough is enough. Our Vietnam veterans suffering > from PTSD have their problems, but acting like Antoine does (or similar > thereto) is quite exceptional for them. He is so inept you'd think the > other Freedom Fighters would, if nothing else, let him stay back in > Knothole. There's surely something he could do that even he can't screw > up while the others are out on missions. Remember when Sonic was willing > to let the cannibal hyenas just keep Antoine? The other FF's themselves > consider him dead-weight. Could his lack of a tail somehow be connected > to his apparent lack of a brain? And doesn't anyone find any of this a little bit offensive towards French people? And yes, I would love to see Antione not be such a dork. He just annoys me. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 15:02:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA10117 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:04:06 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA10110 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:04:03 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29408; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:03:50 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id OAA23678; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:03:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199602131903.OAA23678@edmund> Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:03:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Ratman" at Feb 13, 96 12:39:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > And yes, I would love to see Antione not be such a dork. He just annoys me. > The Good News: I have an idea as to how that can be accomplished. I've incorporated it in my story-to-end-all-stories, "Mobius Apocalypse" [curentlly under construction]. The Bad News: it isn't pretty. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 15:44:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA14943 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:11:15 -0500 Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (cunyvm.cuny.edu [128.228.1.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA14932 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:11:13 -0500 Received: from diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 13 Feb 96 15:10:59 EST Received: from DIANA/SpoolDir by diana.hchs.hunter.cuny.edu (Mercury 1.12); Tue, 13 Feb 96 16:28:50 -500 Received: from SpoolDir by DIANA (Mercury 1.12); Tue, 13 Feb 96 16:28:27 -500 From: "Racewing Kid" Organization: Hunter College High School To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:28:22 EST5EDT Subject: Hi there Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hello, all Sonic listers! My sig tells mostly about me, so I just have some questions. For one, I've been writing episodes for a while now, and just recently found out that there actually IS a place for Sonic fans on the net. The questions are: 1) How can I get my episdodes on the Web page with all the others? 2) Do they have to be copyrighted???? (This has been bugging me for a while now.) Uh, oh, gotta go. NOW!!!! "The Terror that Hacks in the Night" Geson Hatchett/Racewing Kid Writer for BOTH Sonic the Hedgehog Cartoon series, ASCII lover, and Plain Nice Guy -Racewing From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 16:39:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA15855 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:34:28 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA15850 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:34:25 -0500 Received: from sun-4.cae.wisc.edu (sun-4.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.92.160]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA18397 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:34:15 -0600 Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-4.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id OAA01222; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:34:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:34:10 -0600 (CST) From: James Firmiss To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 KenP7672@aol.com wrote: > Geoffrey has turned out to be quite popular with a number of readers, for > which I'm gratified. So has the "Love Triangle" thread, which will see > further development in upcoming issues. A bit of behind the scenes info here: > The Love Triangle thread would've been the focal point of a second PRINCESS > SALLY mini-series. Since that's not going to happen in the foreseeable > future, it's just being spread out over several issues of SONIC. > > Ken Ooo... inside info... very intersting :-) On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Doug LoConti replied: > Ken, check this out, for it may be valid. I was wondering: When STH > first started out, it was VERY kiddie-based. What I mean by that is > there drawings were OK, the "puns" were nerdy, and the vocab was aimed > towards our "younger generation". ... > : > ... It's good to > see you guys are getting so much better, but why? ... Yup.. The 'maturity' of the comic has jumped around a bit... especially in the earlier issues (it seems to be geared for an older audience nowadays). I've always attributed this to the Archie staff trying to figure out exactly WHO their audience is. I've also attributed this to taking a while for the writers to figure out what to do with the characters. [ e.g. Ever notice how stiff everyone seemed in the earlier episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation? The writers and actors didn't have a good idea of who the cast was supposed to be until the third season ] > ... I guess what I'm > asking is did people get laid off because they were doing a crappy job, > and better artists/etc. haulled in? I haven't noticed TOO many changes. > Maybe it's just me. I've noticed quite a few changes... I was going to make a table which has all the artists, editors, pencilers, etc. and which issues they did but never got around to it. I'm pretty sure the top guy (Goldwater) has stayed the same since Sonic Miniseries #0 but hasn't there been a few other Editor changes? > PS-don't take the previous as a bash. I guess I'm just a little kid with > a bigger allowence & still buy all the STH stuff-yes, even princess sally > mini-series, (and NO, I'm not gay!). I've never said you're gay... I just said you have cooties cuz you bought a girl comic... nyeh nyeh nyeh. [ just kidding... see my previous mail posted here to figure out where THAT comment came from ] From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 17:34:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA19370 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:09:48 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA19361 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:09:32 -0500 Received: from sun-4.cae.wisc.edu (sun-4.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.92.160]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA20999 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:09:24 -0600 Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-4.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id PAA01284; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:09:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:09:22 -0600 (CST) From: James Firmiss To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 KenP7672@aol.com wrote: > Which Freedom Fighters do you think you're not seeing enough of? Bunnie? Yep, > I agree there. You're gonna see more of her in upcoming issues. Antoine, > Rotor and Tails are featured practically every issue. The same can be said > for Sally. We've introduced Geoffrey of his Majesty's Secret Service, which > makes him a defacto Freedom Fighter. We've shown Dylan, Arlo, Penelope and > Hamlin as Freedom Fighters in training. If I'm missing something in your > inquiry, please be more specific. > > Ken How about DULCY... I don't see much of her since she was first introduced. Yes... Long ago I said I didn't care for Dulcy on the TV series due to her annoying voice... Well, now that she's in a comic [and in fanfic stories], I can imagine her voice as not so annoying and I've gotten to like her much better. On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Doug LoConti replied: > No offense, (not YOU guys's fault, I blame Sega,) I HATE Antoine as a > charachter. I'd actually like to see LESS of him. ;) (he's very > annoying and doesn't provide that comic relief. I think Rotor is a > better comic releif, and he's usually not even funny!) I'm partial to > Tails and Sally myself. :) I've thought Antoine's potential has been 'underused' at times... Some of the last episodes of the Sat AM series were finally beginning to see his potential (like when he was kidnapped and Snively tried to get info out of him by torturing him with bad cooking) I know I can get that way when I see someone 'doing it wrong' while using a word processor or other program which I'm familiar with. "Ahhh! You're trying to line things up with spaces when you should be using tabs! Ahhh! Why aren't you using paragraph styles? Ahhh! Why are you adding all of your misspelled words to the spelling directory? (things I've had to deal with in my office... Ahhhh!)" Dan Drazen said he's working on a story with Antoine being used in a positive way. Long ago I said I couldn't think of any ideas for my own Sonic stories... So far I have about 4 ideas floating around... the most complete idea will have Antoine playing a very positive role (it also presents my theory as to how power rings work). [I think I've briefly described some of these ideas to someone on the list... Dan I think]. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 17:48:40 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA20448 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:36:43 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA20440 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:36:41 -0500 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (rotor@usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA27496 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:36:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00810; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:36:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:36:39 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Hi there In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Racewing Kid wrote: > The questions are: > > 1) How can I get my episdodes on the Web page with all the others? send them to me. My address is rotor@primenet.com and I'll attempt to review and post them to the page. Though sometimes it takes awile, since I'm usually a bit busy. > > 2) Do they have to be copyrighted???? (This has been bugging me > for a while now.) Putting a copyright notice at the beginning is always a good practice to get in the habit of. Just put something similar to the stuff you see in the other stories at the top of yours. And NEVER forget to give credit to the creators of the characters that aren't yours. In the meantime, I look forward to reading them. +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 13 20:33:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA03477 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:15:59 -0500 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA03470 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:15:56 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA27498 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:15:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:15:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960213191518_321233353@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Antoine Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Actually, Antoine is not such a bad character. The way I see him, he's been through a war, and he didn't like what he experienced. This has, in effect, tempered him with a certain pragmatism. He recognizes a bad situation when he sees one, and he knows his limitations. He also has a certain snobbishness to certain, which is appropriate considering his French background. And before anyone of French ancestry get on my back for such a stereotype, I've had more than one person decry some of the negative traits of their fellow Frenchmen or women, so they recognize it among themselves as well. When the right story comes along, Antoine will get his moment to shine. The thing to realize is the name of the book is SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, NOT "The FREEDOM FIGHTERS" or SONIC THE HEDGEHOG & FRIENDS. While we try to give the others characters room to grow, we can only do so much with the space we have and we can't do it at Sonic's expense. That's why the mini-series and back-up series. The other thing to realize is that anybody who's reading this is already a SONIC fan. We need you to make people aware the comics are every bit as good as what you're getting from the other publishers. Most readers of straight super-hero books, for instance, are surprised when they read a story in SONIC that could very well have appeared in THE AVENGERS of JUSTICE LEAGUE, to name a couple of titles. Our attitude is a good story is a good story, only in this case we have cute, furry animals as our representatives for telling that story. Ken From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 14 00:17:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA18217 for sonic-ll; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:47:04 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@[198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA18208 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:46:55 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA04737 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:45:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:45:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199602140445.VAA04737@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re: The Sonic game for PC\ To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > The Bad News: it isn't pretty. Neither is my story. Nomad (That is if I ever finish it!) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 14 20:19:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA28813 for sonic-ll; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:51:53 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA28798 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:51:50 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA26340 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:51:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:51:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960214195117_322406964@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-02-12 03:41:20 EST, you write: >Now THAT's an interesting twist... What's this with Sally and Knuckles >knowing each other... Is Archie trying to turn the Sonic/Sally/Geoffery >'love triangle' into a Sonic/Sally/Geoffery/Knuckles 'love tetrahedron'? > > Hey, over at American On-Line, Sally *was* not only in love with K, she also shared a psionic link with him. It was later rectified just before I got on-line there. David Gonterman ---Oh, and I apologize for that last post. I just got fed up over that topic...and I wasn't the right topic for here. Please disregard.:::::Withdrawing Remark::::: From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 14 20:48:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA28900 for sonic-ll; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:52:57 -0500 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA28893 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:52:53 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA17587 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:52:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: <960214195214_322408201@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Antoine Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-02-13 20:35:45 EST, you write: >The thing to realize is the name of the book is SONIC THE HEDGEHOG, NOT "The >FREEDOM FIGHTERS" or SONIC THE HEDGEHOG & FRIENDS. While we try to give the >others characters room to grow, we can only do so much with the space we have >and we can't do it at Sonic's expense. That's why the mini-series and back-up >series. > > My answer to Twan's delimina: A "Tails of Mobius" Comic. I would buy a second comic with the minor characters, but I would understand the lack of intrest in others. It happened with TMNT when that comic was in its prime, and you can imagine what happened with *any* Marvel Comic... David G. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 14 23:13:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA11275 for sonic-ll; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:48:32 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA01193 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:26:45 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id MAA04963 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:26:37 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA18668; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:15:35 +1100 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:15:35 +1100 From: Chris Baird Message-Id: <199602142215.JAA18668@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-reply-to: drazen@andrews.edu's message of 12 Feb 1996 11:08:53 +1100 Subject: Re: PRINCESS SALLY References: <960211130119_318901838@mail02.mail.aol.com> <199602111906.OAA16304@edmund> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dan Drazen, > [..] but I think the only two subjects that have REALLY taken > up a lot of bandwidth are a) Is/isn't Sally a fox? (the pro-fox > believers are serious die-hards) The pro-weasel believers are too. :) -- Chris From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 14 23:40:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA12797 for sonic-ll; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:04:51 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA12792 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:04:49 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08713 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:04:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:04:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960214230415_222553007@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I hate to disappoint anyone, but as will be shown in an upcoming issue (and I should know, 'cause I just wrote it), Knuckles did NOT have any type of romantic relationship with Sally whatsoever. I'm not sure where Mike Gallagher got the inspiration for this one, but I had to pick up the ball and cover this base pronto on the off-chance we get to do the KNUCKLES series on a regular basis. Once you read the mini-series, you'll understand why Mike K and I are sticklers where KNUCKLES is concerned. Ken From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 15 00:29:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA16164 for sonic-ll; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:54:45 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (acme@use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA16101 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:54:42 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA08899; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:54:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:54:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: SEND EPISODES (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to Razerick@aol.com. /* All replies should be sent to the message author directly unless you plan to offer tapes to everyone on the list. */ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:32:16 -0500 From: Razerick@aol.com To: Sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: SEND EPISODES Hi I am a big fan of sonic. I really like the stories, the games, and the cartoon! I was wondering if you can sen me the following episodes from The ABC Sonic NOT THE OTHER ONE THAT SUCKS!!!!!!: Game Guy, Sonic Conversion, No Brainer, Blast to the Past Part 1&2, Dulcy, Drood Henge, and Doomsday. I would be very happy if I got those episodes. My address is: Richard Kuta 5968 skyfarm dr. Castro Valley CA 94552 My Email Address is: Razerick@aol.com Email me in 2 days or in 1 about sending these episodes! OK!!!!!!! from Richard Kuta 15\m Razerick@aol.com From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 15 14:04:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA09101 for sonic-ll; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:01:04 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA09088 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:01:01 -0500 Received: from usr5.primenet.com (root@usr5.primenet.com [198.68.32.15]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA08951 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr5.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA08333; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:00:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:00:58 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: Sonic Mailing List Subject: New Stories Posted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The following stories are now available on my web page: By Joseph DeLaCroix: Thirst Triky situations By Dan Drazen: A Matter of Trust NOTES: Coming soon: The stories page is becoming crowded, and I intend to fix that. Each author who currently has a story posted will have their stories move to individual pages so that each author has a page for their stories. Note to authors. If you've got a graphic of either yourself or your sonic character, Email it to me and I'll post it on your stories page along with your stories. Other than that, just keep sending me your stories and I'll keep trying to post them. :) +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 15 14:21:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA14719 for sonic-ll; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:23:09 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA14714 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:23:07 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id TAA22472; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:23:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:23:16 +0100 (MET) From: Iggy Drougge X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: PRINCESS SALLY In-Reply-To: <199602142215.JAA18668@brushtail.hna.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Chris Baird wrote: > Dan Drazen, > > [..] but I think the only two subjects that have REALLY taken > > up a lot of bandwidth are a) Is/isn't Sally a fox? (the pro-fox > > believers are serious die-hards) > > The pro-weasel believers are too. :) And the reindeer believers... =) =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 15 16:18:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA24214 for sonic-ll; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:33:10 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA24209 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:33:07 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA15703 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:32:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:32:36 -0500 Message-ID: <960215153235_223031894@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: KenP7672@aol.com cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dear Ken: Hope all is well with you. I just wanted to address a topic which you have been discussing with the Sonic fans here on the mailing list. That topic is the limitation of space in our comics. As was pointed out, there isn't a precedent here at Archie to have stories drag on for more than four issues at a time or so (the "Knuckles" 2-pagers excepted of course-- thanks for explaining that situation to everyone-- I would have myself if I was aware of how confused everyone was over it!). Unfortunately, due to market conditions, this will probably remain the case. Readers are leaving such popular comics as Spider-Man, Bat-Man, X-Men, Superman etc. IN DROVES for just that reason (and our research has shown that was one of the reasons our Turtles comic readership dropped as well). The #1 feedback I get from retailers who have polled their customers is that they want either self-contained, one issue stories or storie arcs of only a few issues. The bosses here at Archie have to be able to justify the expense of printing these comics, as you know, which means there has to be profits. Extending stories to last over several issues when the market is clearly not supporting such things would not be a wise move, as I'm sure you'll understand. Now, if the mailing list here comprised 90% of our readership instead of the other way around, perhaps things will be different. In the meantime, as always, you know I (and many of the fans here) applaud your efforts to provide a specific continuity and mythology to these characters! Take care, Paul From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 15 19:03:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA08571 for sonic-ll; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:39:32 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA08566 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:39:27 -0500 Received: from sun-4.cae.wisc.edu (sun-4.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.92.160]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id RAA17199 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:39:23 -0600 Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-4.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id RAA08785; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:39:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:39:20 -0600 (CST) From: James Firmiss To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: You've got DOOM 2099 in my X-Men 2099! (was Re: Behind The Scenes) In-Reply-To: <960215153235_223031894@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Thu, 15 Feb 1996 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > Dear Ken: > > popular comics as Spider-Man, Bat-Man, X-Men, Superman etc. IN DROVES for > just that reason (and our research has shown that was one of the reasons our > Turtles comic readership dropped as well). I'd been reading some of the 2099 series comics for a while but eventually 'gave up' on them... not necessarily because of long stories but because of excessive use of plots interconnected among several different comics.. Too many 'plot crossovers'. [I doubt this is the 'official' use of the term 'crossover' but that's how I'm defining it here] Occasional crossovers can be interesting at time however Marvel has decided to make practically EVERYTHING a crossover. (Also.. all the 2099 books seem to have this underlying DOOM 2099 thing which is really getting dumb). Other unrelated comments: At first I was suprised that the general plots for Archie's SONIC stories are planned out so far in advance (especially the one involving Knuckles / Archimedes / 'The Watcher' [my term for the Weird-guy-in-cloak-in-the-room- with-all-the-tv-monitors] ) When was this whole concept first conceived (The first hint of it appears to be in that 'Fire Drill' story... Sonic & Kuckles 48-page special I think)? Has the reader been given visual 'hints' as to what the heck is going on? [ e.g. at one time 'The Watcher' says Knuckles has missed clues right under his nose... but in that panel we see an old sign with some words which don't seem to make much sense ] (No need to comment on this if it'll give too much of the story away) - - Wait a sec... wasn't Mighty captured? What's he doing in the 48 page Sonic VS Knuckles special. - - A while back people mentioned that Sonic (The Sat-AM series) was now on the USA Cartoon Express on Sunday (9am Central?) but nobody mentioned that Sonic (The daily series which everyone loves to hate) is also on the USA network weekdays at 6:30am Central. Now that we finally get cable I can finally get to see that show as well. - - Best inside joke which I havn't seen yet: Sonic (covering up Scratch's eyes from behind) -- "Guess who!" Scratch -- "Umm... That Urkle kid?" -- James Firmiss firmiss@cae.wisc.edu From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 15 19:44:19 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA11951 for sonic-ll; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:13:56 -0500 Received: from mail (canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA11946 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:13:41 -0500 Received: from nb2-3.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tnDn6-000D1GC; Thu, 15 Feb 96 19:12 EST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 19:12 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Behind The Scenes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well the storys don't have to be as long as a MARVEL or DC story. Just please improve. The comic could at lest run along the lines of the Sat show. Exaple through each epsoide was a different story there where all related to the efects of the previous story and endded up at Doomsday. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 16 17:09:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA28979 for sonic-ll; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:38:38 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA28973 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:38:36 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA24088; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:32:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why is my Page *NOT* Black In-Reply-To: <960211213520_141691815@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 DGonterman@aol.com wrote: > And Now, a Public Message from The FoxFire Studio Web Page > http://users.aol.com/dgonterman > > ---Ahem---- > > As I was typing this article out, I was noticing that the majority of the > internet are now dressed in black, as it were. They are currently in morning > over the fact that Satan's child, a.k.a. Bill Clinton, who may be defiling > the oval office with his presence but was never and will never be my > president, (Rush Limbaugh is, you damn fools!!!) has signed the > Telecomunications Bill that makes cybersmut a crime and demands Violence > Chips on TVs. You might think that I'm joining in on this "party," because > some of my pages are black, expecially the ones with the big pictures of my > artwork on it. > > They are *not* black for the above reason. They are black so you can see the > pics better. No other. > > I find myself IN FAVOR of *somebody* controlling the availability of material > hazordous to minors on the Net (That's *smut* you dumb@$$!!), because I > believe that there is just too much Sexual Material crammed into their lives > all at once. Whatever happening to having fun, just making friends, and > getting to *know* your net.lover before you go to the back seat of your > 486DX2-66? Surely Nodoby on the net will pass a law to outlaw *that*!!! I > will discuss this further later on in American Kitsune. If you actually WANT someone "controlling" the net, there is such a place you can go. It is called America on-line. Long live freedom on the net! If someone wants to look at that $hi+, let them! Who cares? If YOU don't like it, don't look at it! :) Clinton can die, for all I care. I'm not sacraficing the LITTLE freedom outlet left, (otherwise known as the Internet) just to make those starch-shirt govn't fags happy. Do as you wish, but as soon as my computer worx so i can get to windowz, my page is going pitch black-along with hundreds of others. "We will stand where others fall!!" -MiGHTY FoX, freedom fighter international (keyword-FREEdom....not a puppeted democracy!) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 17 01:18:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA12100 for sonic-ll; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:55:13 -0500 Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (dmurashc@cap1.CapAccess.org [198.69.201.50]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA12093 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:55:09 -0500 Received: (from dmurashc@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA02023; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:56:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: Dmitry Murashchik To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Hi once again! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hello Everybody! I didn't post very often because of the $203 phone bill I got from calling AOL (KILL THEM, PLEASE!), but I sent a request for an unlimited E-mail service (DC's CapAccess ), and got it! Now, Sonic stuff (I bet previous stuff was NOT interesting): I am currently working on some projects relating StH and this list. A story (that one is incredibly slow. I think I know how Archie feels), a picture, a statue of Sonic and Sally back-to-back looking kind of mean (that one has a quote under it. I got the idea from the StH game name. The quote is "Mettle is power, Metal is death"), and the last one is a Sonic the Hedgehog "Blue" (yellow) Pages. That last one will have the E-mail addresses of all the people who called in 1996 (and maybe before that). That thing has graphics, a small list info file, and a "Buttons Hall of Fame" page. That page will have the names of people who wrote stories (I will ESPECIALLY look that Dan's name is in place :') ), who run lists, and who just need to be recognized. That file (Yes, just one 'Neobook' file ) is just a reference for people with bad memories (such as myself), and it is NOT copyrighted (details within). It should be finished some time soon (I hope). Now for some comics: When you guys have been talking about issue #33, I just got issue #32. I am not blaming Archie, but the delivery around here is extremely bad! Ancient history -> I don't know if anyone noticed (no one posted, anyway), but in Spandize's (spelling?) cover art of issue #31 is a small picture, hidden in the upper left corner in the mountains. The picture is a head of a person (sort of like japanimation) with a fist extended forward. This picture does NOT look like a coincidence. Well, at least it not like what Disney is doing with their cartoon classics (word SEX in "Lion King". Want more? Too bad). Stories: There seems to be a Star Trek "craze" going on here. What? Run out of Freedom Fighter ideas? (no offence intended). Someone (Drazen?) posted about "furry" being a slur in his story. I thought that most of the Mobius inhabitants WERE "furry's." Mail To Archie: Archie guys said that they have enough story suggestions to last them 1.5 years. Is it possible to create a sort of "competition", where people send in a lot of stories, and the best ones are picked (this would definitely improve the plots), or would that just create mayhem, and put the entire section of Archie under 6 feet of 1 paragraph :') suggestions? Also, why can't Archie use "To be continued"'s? (just curious) P.S. I am glad to see most of Archie's Sonic division on this list (and in my "Blue" pages) And finally, a question off topic: Has anyone heard of the writer Tuve Janson? He published a couple of books somewhere in Europe. All of those books are about a small group of animals that have some interesting adventures. I have one of his books, titled "The Magician's Hat". If you have any info on this author, please reply to my E-mail. Please note: I HAVE A NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS! SONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONIC Y S Writer/Sculptor/Hacker S "If it ain't S L Dmitry O Collector A blue, don't get A L Murashchik N And all that other cool L it" - ME L A I stuff that won't make a L (A rule I try L S C difference on a resume. Y to follow) Y CINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOS *-------{ E-MAIL }-------* | DMURASHC@CAPACCESS.ORG | *-----------S+S----------* From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 17 15:45:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA00108 for sonic-ll; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:25:01 -0500 Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU (root@bigboote.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id DAA19774 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:26:31 -0500 Received: from garden.WPI.EDU (tedp@garden.WPI.EDU [130.215.8.145]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA04199; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:26:28 -0500 From: Theodore Patri Perrotti Received: (from tedp@localhost) by garden.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05155; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:26:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199602170826.DAA05155@garden.WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: Hi once again! To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:26:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: tedp@WPI.EDU (Theodore Patri Perrotti) In-Reply-To: from "Dmitry Murashchik" at Feb 17, 96 00:56:22 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > look like a coincidence. Well, at least it not like what Disney is > doing with their cartoon classics (word SEX in "Lion King". Want > more? Too bad). > The "SEX" claim is merely an unsubstantiated rumor, but that's another issue that I won't go into on the list. Stories: There seems to be a Star Trek "craze" going on here. What? > Run out of Freedom Fighter ideas? (no offence intended). Someone I don't think a few story ideas constitutes a "craze", but let's just see how the stories turn out. > (Drazen?) posted about "furry" being a slur in his story. I thought > that most of the Mobius inhabitants WERE "furry's." > They are. I believe he meant that 'furry' is used as a slur by the humanoids in the Federation/Starfleet. > > SONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONIC > Y S Writer/Sculptor/Hacker S "If it ain't S > L Dmitry O Collector A blue, don't get A > L Murashchik N And all that other cool L it" - ME L > A I stuff that won't make a L (A rule I try L > S C difference on a resume. Y to follow) Y > CINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOS > *-------{ E-MAIL }-------* > | DMURASHC@CAPACCESS.ORG | > *-----------S+S----------* > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 17 21:16:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA20507 for sonic-ll; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:08:24 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA20502 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:08:21 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28359; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:08:13 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id VAA15215; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:08:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199602180208.VAA15215@edmund> Subject: Re: Hi once again! To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:08:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Dmitry Murashchik" at Feb 17, 96 00:56:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > "Mettle is power, Metal is death" I like it! > "Buttons Hall of Fame" page. That page > will have the names of people who wrote stories (I will ESPECIALLY > look that Dan's name is in place :') ), who run lists, and who just > need to be recognized. You're too kind. > Now for some comics: > When you guys have been talking about issue #33, I just got > issue #32. I am not blaming Archie, but the delivery around here > is extremely bad! Blame Archie's distributor, which Ken Penders cites as the reason for the failure of the Princess Sally miniseries. > Ancient history -> I don't know if anyone noticed (no one > posted, anyway), but in Spandize's (spelling?) cover art of issue > #31 is a small picture, hidden in the upper left corner in the > mountains. The picture is a head of a person (sort of like > japanimation) with a fist extended forward. This picture does NOT > look like a coincidence. WHOA!! Good eye! I missed it myself. You're right; very Japanese style, almost like a cross between Sonic and Astroboy (hey, if you're going to mention a robot in the same breath as Sonic--or any other Mobian--the robot should be a Good Guy(TM)). > > Stories: > There seems to be a Star Trek "craze" going on here. What? > Run out of Freedom Fighter ideas? (no offence intended). Someone > (Drazen?) posted about "furry" being a slur in his story. I thought > that most of the Mobius inhabitants WERE "furry's." > As someone pointed out in their post, the slur was used particularly in Starfleet Academy. If memory serves, someone else mentioned working on a crossover story and I admitted the idea had crossed my mind, so I posted the synopsis. Don't expect to see it any time soon; I've got plenty to do in Real Life(TM). In fact, as soon as I finish going through my e-mail, I have to work on a term paper about the book of Ecclesiastes. > Mail To Archie: > Archie guys said that they have enough story suggestions to > last them 1.5 years. Is it possible to create a sort of > "competition", where people send in a lot of stories, and the best > ones are picked (this would definitely improve the plots), or would > that just create mayhem, and put the entire section of Archie under > 6 feet of 1 paragraph :') suggestions? Also, why can't Archie use > "To be continued"'s? (just curious) According to Ken Penders' recent posts, it doesn't look like they're accepting submissions at this time. Also, KP says that there seems to be a limit of tolerance with continuing stories with the core comic readership out there (and that may be one reason why so many titles are dying). So they make do with the pages allotted them each month. I wouldn't mind continuing stories, either, but there seems to be a three-issue limit. > Nice to see you back, ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 17 21:31:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA20838 for sonic-ll; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:21:20 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA20832 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:21:17 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA10685 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:21:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:21:08 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960217212108.15903@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: New Sonic Merchandise: Sonic Look and Find Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I saw this in the grocery store last night, and for $5 I figured it was worth having (they only had two left, and if anybody wants them bad enough to pay me $10 for them (includes shipping) I'll pick them up for them). Basically it's like a Where's Waldo book except it uses the Sonic characters (i.e., scenes of many characters doing many things, and you're supposed to find certain objects and/or people in them). Penciled by Art Mawhinney, Inked by Dan Burr and Brian Thomas (how did they _do_ all that, and how long did it take?). Illustration Script Developers: Ken Penders and Mike Kanterovich. Published by Louis Weber, CEO, Publications International, Ltd. 7373 North Cicero Avenue Lincolnwood, IL 60646 ISBN: 0-7853-0849-0 The rest of this message contains spoilers, so here's a form feed for you: The inside front cover has nice pics of the following characters: Sonic, Tails (though the kind of babyish version that I don't really like), Sally, Antoine, Bunnie (yay!!! Though about the best pic of her in the whole book), Rotor, Snively, Swat-bot, and Dr. Robotnik (oddly enough, the daily version, not the Sat. AM one - maybe they figured the kiddies wouldn't recognize him otherwise...) Each page has a follow-the-blur sequence of Sonic doing various things, which is kind of neat. Here are some misc. comments on the more interesting things on the various pages: Green hill: Sonic saving Sally. Marble zone: some skunks blasting something off-page (was the original art bigger?) with aerosol cans; Bunnie trying on jewels from a treasure chest while being menaced by skeletons. Aquatic zone: SS Minnow life preserver, Ariel the mermaid (not worried about being sued by Disney? :^)), Bunnie in a submersible vehicle. Robotropolis: Just-married Swat-bots???, the robot dog lifting his leg against a "curb your dog" sign. South island: some furries playing that fish game with sticks Knothole: skunk scouts (!), Sonic giving his autograph. Icecap zone: what is Bunnie holding? Veg-o-fortress (?): "dangerous curves" indeed :^) Launch base: Hanger 18: "There's nothing in here. Really." But I thought the "Shuttle Experiment DOA 86" was a bit in bad taste... All in all, a nice book for furrie/Sonic fans for $5... RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 18 06:27:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA27767 for sonic-ll; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:00:27 -0500 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [204.50.6.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA27762 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 06:00:23 -0500 Received: by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA19820; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:57:22 -0700 Received: by ender.cuug.ab.ca (V1.17-beta.31{ask@castrov.UUCP/10}/Amiga) id <4e3o@ender.cuug.ab.ca>; Sat, 17 Feb 96 18:01:52 MDT Received: by sago.cuc.ab.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1(sago-1.3)) id AA00652; Sat, 17 Feb 96 17:55:38 MST Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 17:55:38 MST Message-Id: <9602180055.AA00652@sago.cuc.ab.ca> From: uug@sago.cuc.ab.ca (William Graham) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Antoine Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug LoConti writes: > I HATE Antoine as a character. I see Antoine as a foil for Sonic. Sonic is cool; Antoine is the epitomy of uncool. This works to great advantage in the SatAM show, but isn't as effective in solo stories in the Archie comic series. > (he's very annoying and doesn't provide that comic relief. I think Rotor is a > better comic relief, and he's usually not even funny!) Rotor is an unsung hero of the Freedom Fighters. It's clear that what he does is essential to their missions, but since he isn't always risking his hide like Sonic, his role doesn't seem as exciting. "Tundra Road" goes a long way towards changing this though. > I'm partial to Tails and Sally myself. :) Who isn't? ;-) A few comments on recent Sonic comic issues: [ SPOILERS ] #31 - I too noticed the figure in the rocks on the cover, as Dmitry points out. At first I thought it was a mountain spirit, but now it's beginning to make sense in the context of the "Lost...and Found!" and succeeding Knuckles stories. #32 - It seems odd that Mobie is more anthropoid than ursine, despite being called a bear. I also note that Uncle Chuck is drawn using an older hedgehog design (from Scott Shaw!), while Sonic has become more streamlined. Does this mean that Sonic is wearing a different spine-style now? :-) #33 - I just _love_ the cover! It just grows on you, it looks like it's been drawn from life. :-) I really appreciate the amount of detail Spaz puts into his backgrounds. As for the story "Let's Get small!", I enjoyed it. Despite what some others may say, Manak's artwork appeals to me. (Hmm, it would be funny to see Alf in a Manak-drawn story, now that he's making a small comeback.) While the setting isn't entirely original ("Fantastic Voyage", and even "Honey, I Shrunk the Hedgehog" from the weekday Sonic cartoon were set in micro-worlds), and there wasn't much of a plot, the puns more than made up for it by the end. :-) The other freedom fighters were just cured too easily for me, but it was fun to see Tails in drag. I didn't think that "Froggy Boy" was an appropriate insult for Sonic to be hurling (although quite in character for him); perhaps something along the lines of "Frog in ones throat" would have been better. I also noticed in the ad for SuperSonic vs. HyperKnuckles (2nd last page), that "YIELDS" is in neither Sonic's nor Knuckles' vocabulary. I guess we can rib Mike Gallagher about it. :-) One comment about "Sonic Shot" -- Ken Penders' Tails looks a bit off. Maybe it's the neck, or the snout, but it just doesn't look like Tails to me. Or is this an older Tails we're beginning to see now? :-) SuperSonic vs. HyperKnuckles - as has been already mentioned on the list, the pin-up poster was a couple of pages off-center. Maybe the two Archie ads were inserted after the page layout for "Crash of the Titans" had been done? Art Mawhinney is to be commended for his pencilling on this one. I liked the cameo appearance of Orbinaut - Swatbots get oh so tiresome. The "legal department" line was hilarious, too. (At least to us on the Sonic list here, where it was coincidentally(?) a double entendre.) "Fathers and Sons", like most of the Knuckles stories I've read, has him musing quietly to himself all the way through. This really builds mood. Interesting to see that Knuckle's dad has dreads too. Well, that's enough rambling for today... - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! - From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 18 09:36:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA06342 for sonic-ll; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:16:27 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA06336 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:16:24 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07392; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:16:23 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id JAA01089; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:16:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199602181416.JAA01089@edmund> Subject: Growing Pains -- 2d Thoughts To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:16:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Anyone out there see yesterday's (Feb 17) episode of "C-Bear and Jamal" on Fox? (I know, this starts out off-topic, but it gets better). In the story, Jamal turns 10 and suddenly starts thinking he can get through the day without C-Bear. Throughout the ep, I couldn't help but think of Tails during "Growing Pains" and "Southern Crossover." By the end of the ep, however, the real reason for Jamal's wanting to grow up comes out: despite the fact that his family, his homies and C-Bear all tell him they'll be there for him, he remembers that his Mom said the same thing but "she left me and went to Heaven." C-Bear assures Jamal that there'll always be people who'll be there for him "because love never dies." Which confirms my belief that the "C" in C-Bear stands for Care and we're dealing with a Care Bear for the 90s, but anyway.... WHY couldn't Gallagher have built toward such a line in Southern Crossover? As it stands, Tails about-face on how he feels about the Knothole gang is totally unmotivated. This is how it should have been done. But you've probably heard this from me before. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 18 16:56:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA00328 for sonic-ll; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:23:51 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA00323 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:23:49 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA25902 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:23:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: <960218162317_325834682@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Antoine Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The KNUCKLES stories have been something of a departure from how we handle SONIC. For one thing, SEGA has been VERY receptive to the back story we're creating for him. As you will see, it's somewhat more dark and serious than anything you've yet seen in the SONIC stories. FATHERS & SONS, if anything, is more in the tone of the upcoming mini-series than anything that has come before. The key difference is that the mini-series has a LOT more action. The interesting aspect is how the stories developed. Initially, I came up with the concept of KNUCKLES undergoing some sort of training period/ascension rite to show how he became Guardian of the Floating Island. Archimedes was created to play a specific role in that development. As initially presented, KNUCKLES was TOO much of a loner, and he needed someone to play off of. When the mini-series was proposed later, more was called for and we had to rethink a number of items in order to really make this special. For instance, we were told to lay the groundwork in a back-up sequence for three issues leading into the mini-series, much like we had done previously for PRINCESS SALLY. After we had completed those 3 eight page segments and the 1st issue of KNUCKLES, we had received word Scott wanted another KNUCKLES story for the SS VS HK SPECIAL #1. This, in turn, led to the development of FATHERS & SONS, essentially a last minute decision on my part and Mike's to feature a crucial development that will be an important part to KNUCKLES during the mini-series and beyond. You, the reader, will be required to fill in some blanks until we fill them in for you. (This is called a set-up. If sales are comparable to SONIC'S, a KNUCKLES series shouldn't be long in coming. And, boy, is there a lot of stories to tell you.) One thing for those who try to keep track of continuity in the SONIC UNIVERSE. We have tried to consider what was being done in other books and especially in the cartoons. However, we never had access to everything that was going on regarding the animated series unless the people at SEGA informed us. However, because of dealines and the approval process, it just wasn't possible to be as consistent as we'd like. Consequently, when the cartoon went off the air, it freed the status quo up a lot in order of what we could and couldn't do. Also, SEGA seems to have a better grasp of what they do and don't want to do with the characters. For example, originally, KNUCKLES was the only echidna and the last of his kind. And now........but that would be telling, and you'll just have to wait and see. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 19 00:52:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA06971 for sonic-ll; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:25:59 -0500 Received: from inet.uni-c.dk (inet.uni-c.dk [130.225.253.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA10386 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:57:07 -0500 Received: from arhppp5.uni-c.dk (arhppp5.uni-c.dk [130.225.243.165]) by inet.uni-c.dk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA12587 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:54:15 +0100 Received: by arhppp5.uni-c.dk with Microsoft Mail id <01BAFE64.3DBA1560@arhppp5.uni-c.dk>; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:50:19 +-100 Message-ID: <01BAFE64.3DBA1560@arhppp5.uni-c.dk> From: Michael Emil Hansen To: "'sonic@bort.mv.net'" Subject: Cartoon Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:47:52 +-100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey Goys. I am writing from Denmark, a little green spot north for Germany. Well we see Sonic too her in Denmark, and I am relay pleats with the series, that me and my brother have started on writing a manuscript, to connect the series for Sonic the Hedgehog. I will be weary happy if some of you goys will help me out with some changes to the story. We intent to draw the cartoon alone, but if any of you have some 3D drawings of the caricatures, I will be most happy to receive them as well Commander Sonic Data - Michael Emil Hansen E-mail soniccsd@inet.uni-c.dk I will like to receive the stuff at this address, and do any of you now where I can get some of the Comics about Sonic the Hedgehog her in Denmark, or cud some of you scan a few of the comics in and sent them to me. Thanks. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 19 16:32:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA05369 for sonic-ll; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:01:33 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA05360 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:01:31 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA05371 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:00:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <960219160057_326747492@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Cartoon Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dear Michael, If you give me an address, as one of the writers of Archie's SONIC THE HEDGEHOG comic book series, I'd be happy to send you a couple of issues your way. I'll even personalize the autograph if you like. Take care. Ken Penders From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 19 18:36:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA12543 for sonic-ll; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:51:35 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA12532 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:51:31 -0500 Received: from nb2-37.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0toeQw-000CzaC; Mon, 19 Feb 96 17:51 EST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 17:51 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_824777555==_" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Growing Pains -- 2d Thoughts X-Attachments: C:\TEMP\IDEA; Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net --=====================_824777555==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have consider writing a story about this idea of Tails having growing pains. Here's a short pice of what I thought up. Note I don't name anybody parts that might be offenceive. --=====================_824777555==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="IDEA" Tails ran behind a bush and hid, he was so embaresed. Bunnie cault him. "Tails?" Bunnie said as she walked up to the bush. "Go away." Bunnie wanted to say something but desided to just let him calm down. "OK I'll go now." She said and walked away. Tails was angery at him self. He looked down. "This is your fault." Why did he start, it all started when he took that bath last week. Cleaning him self using soap and when he went to clean it... Tales grumbled at the thought why did it feel so good and why did he try it again behind the bush. Bunnie saw him aaaaahhh now what. Can he ever face her again. What would she think. --=====================_824777555==_-- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 19 21:42:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA25936 for sonic-ll; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:08:04 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA25929 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:07:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:07:59 -0500 Received: from ip160.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa17709; 19 Feb 96 20:58 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Growing Pains -- 2d Thoughts Message-ID: <9602192058.aa17709@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I have consider writing a story about this idea of Tails having growing pains. >Here's a short pice of what I thought up. >Note I don't name anybody parts that might be offenceive. Don't worry, I'm sure you managed to offend somebody. :) I like the idea, because, as I've said in the past, I enjoy the stories which have serious themes and am not offended by such things. I look forward to reading it, if you decide to go ahead with it. -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 21 11:58:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA15059 for sonic-ll; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:41:24 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA15054 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:41:18 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06767; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:41:13 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id LAA20396; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:41:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199602211641.LAA20396@edmund> Subject: Re: Growing Pains -- 2d Thoughts To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:41:10 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Lapensee" at Feb 19, 96 05:51:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > > I have consider writing a story about this idea of Tails having growing pains. > Here's a short pice of what I thought up. > Note I don't name anybody parts that might be offenceive. > Paulie, I was talking about EMOTIONAL growth, about maturity, about not looking at the world in quite the same way as before, about letting go of some aspects of childhood in their proper time. It's a process that involves the soul rather than any particular bodily organ. I know I'm not going to change anything and that this was probably just a troll -- but I wanted to get it on the record. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 21 17:12:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA07614 for sonic-ll; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:02:29 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA07608 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:02:26 -0500 Received: from p11-ts2.en.net (p11-ts2.en.net [206.148.86.106]) by en.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23364 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:05:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:05:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602212105.QAA23364@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: .::. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Old news to you guys, but how often I forget.... what year is it? In Mobius, I mean.... you see, I'm trying to actually get around & update my web page, and I need to know the year for something. =20 Isn't it like 2053? I'm probably off... well, a date would be cool. Thanx. -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- "Fatal error-press F13 to abort!!" From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 21 19:23:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA20950 for sonic-ll; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:58:51 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA20933 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:58:44 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA03082; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:58:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:58:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: new sonic AVI file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net http://rat.org/pub/sonic/movies/soniccd.zip It's a 5.8 megs big zipped, unzips to over 10 megs. It's converted from the Sonic CD. It just shows him running around, then jumping onto a big chain. The music sounds like it must be called "Sonic Boom" since they say it over and over. And it's actually converted, so there is no loss of quality. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 21 22:05:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA01207 for sonic-ll; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:41:07 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA01191 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:40:42 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07343; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:40:34 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id VAA03617; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:40:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199602220240.VAA03617@edmund> Subject: Re: .::. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:40:34 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199602212105.QAA23364@en.com> from "Doug LoConti" at Feb 21, 96 04:05:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Old news to you guys, but how often I forget.... > > what year is it? In Mobius, I mean.... > > you see, I'm trying to actually get around & update my web page, and I need > to know the year for something. =20 > > Isn't it like 2053? I'm probably off... well, a date would be cool. Thanx. > > -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 > ------------------------------------------- > | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | > | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | > | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | > | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | > |------------------------------------------ > | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | > ------------------------------------------- Happens to the best of us. The show is set in the Mobian year 3535. By point of reference, Robotnik took over in the year 3224. Source: "Blast To The Past, Part 1". It never hurts to help (wait, that's another show....) ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 22 13:01:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA07300 for sonic-ll; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:35:23 -0500 Received: from siue.edu (clavin.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA07295 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:35:19 -0500 Received: from 146.163.47.49 ([146.163.47.49]) by siue.edu (8.6.10/8.6.11+) with SMTP id LAA23090 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:33:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199602221733.LAA23090@siue.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 17:35:57 0600 From: David Gonterman X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Growing Pains X-URL: http://web.nmsu.edu/~bdenney/DG.html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ain't it always like this? You make one story of a kid going through puberty, and *everybody* wants in on the act. You know how *I* stand on this: Take *extreme* care with topics such as this. however, i do hope that tails keeps his virginity for quite a while. He's got more important stuff on his mind; like finding that first-round Fatality in KI2.... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 22 16:17:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA20393 for sonic-ll; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:32:58 -0500 Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU (root@bigboote.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA16697 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:03:36 -0500 Received: from reno.WPI.EDU (tedp@reno.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.1]) by bigboote.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17230; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:03:19 -0500 From: Theodore Patri Perrotti Received: (from tedp@localhost) by reno.WPI.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25266; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:03:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602212303.SAA25266@reno.WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: .::. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:03:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: tedp@WPI.EDU (Theodore Patri Perrotti) In-Reply-To: <199602212105.QAA23364@en.com> from "Doug LoConti" at Feb 21, 96 04:05:03 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Old news to you guys, but how often I forget.... > > what year is it? In Mobius, I mean.... > > you see, I'm trying to actually get around & update my web page, and I need > to know the year for something. =20 > > Isn't it like 2053? I'm probably off... well, a date would be cool. Thanx. > > -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 > ------------------------------------------- > | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | > | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | > | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | > | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | > |------------------------------------------ > | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | > ------------------------------------------- > "Fatal error-press F13 to abort!!" > > There's a clue in "Blast to the Past-Part 1". In that episode, Sonic and Sally go back to the year Robotnik took over (3224, I believe). Based on various discussions here on the list, Robotnik has been Mobius' tyrant for about 11 years now. So, by that logic, the year is now 3224 + 11= 3235 on Mobius (in the Sat. AM cartoon). The year given in "Blast to the Past" may NOT BE 3224, however. I'm writing this message strictly from memory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Feb 23 09:46:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA07208 for sonic-ll; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:24:10 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA07203 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:24:07 -0500 Received: from nb2-47.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tpyPf-000D5MC; Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:23 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:23 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: FurrToona Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Can some tell me what is going on with Furrtoona the home of Sonic TP. I can't log in anymore. Is it down? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 24 02:41:47 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA25664 for sonic-ll; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:21:32 -0500 Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (dmurashc@cap1.CapAccess.org [198.69.201.50]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA25651 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:21:30 -0500 Received: (from dmurashc@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA11481; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:22:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:22:44 -0500 (EST) From: Dmitry Murashchik To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: TV pictures on RAT's server. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Whoever was posting those scans of the TV show, there's one character whom you left out, and I would like to see. Tails. just for the record, I still didn't get issue #33, or anything higher than #32. (I forgot to do this in my editor, so the "quote" is not included. I am The Dmitry! in case you don't know) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 24 09:21:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA16781 for sonic-ll; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 09:06:57 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA16776 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 09:06:51 -0500 Received: from nb2-47.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tqKcN-000D1gC; Sat, 24 Feb 96 09:06 EST Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 09:06 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: TV pictures on RAT's server. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Whoever was posting those scans of the TV show, there's one >character whom you left out, and I would like to see. Tails. > >just for the record, I still didn't get issue #33, or anything higher >than #32. > > >(I forgot to do this in my editor, so the "quote" is not included. I am >The Dmitry! in case you don't know) > Oh you mean me. Yes I have been busy. I will send the Tails pictures shortly. I don't have that much since he was mostly in the back ground in the show. If you can't get the comic's order them and ask for the back issues you missed. I dought you missed much since the comic is starving for a good story. I have also heard that there is a chance that Issue #50 will be there last one. If this is so it's there fault for messing up on the story line not the readers. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 24 10:36:49 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA20421 for sonic-ll; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:21:21 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA20416 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:21:18 -0500 Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA28659; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:21:15 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id KAA24192; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:21:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199602241521.KAA24192@edmund> Subject: Re: TV pictures on RAT's server. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:21:15 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Lapensee" at Feb 24, 96 09:06:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > >If you can't get the comic's order them and ask for the back issues you missed. > I doubt you missed much since the comic is starving for a good story. > >I have also heard that there is a chance that Issue #50 will be there last one. >If this is so it's their fault for messing up on the story line not the readers. > Ken Penders has been lamenting the distribution of Sonic, especially the Princess Sally series. With reason, apparently. You may have misunderstood Ken when he posted that Archie has PLANNED up through issue #50 -- possibly as a way of discouraging submissions, I don't know. If you don't mind waiting possibly two years (!) to see your story in print, ay so in the cover letter to your submission if it's weighing that heavily on you. He never said that the series would STOP at #50; only that they've laid out which stories will run in which issues that far in advance. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 24 14:24:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA04038 for sonic-ll; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:14:30 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA04033 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:14:28 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA28049 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:13:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <960224141357_152449611@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: TV pictures on RAT's server. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Where on earth did anyone get the idea that SONIC issue #50 is the last issue? In previous posts, I've said we pretty much have all the scripts in development up to issue #50, with some idea where we're headed after that. As for not missing much, you better start paying attention, because a lot is happening in upcoming issues. Issue#34 finally kicks into high gear the KNUCKLES story everyone's been waiting for, and Uncle Chuck is back in the lead SONIC story. And, oh yeah, KING ACORN is coming soon. Lots more, too, but I don't want to spoil the surprises. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 24 14:39:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA04368 for sonic-ll; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:26:49 -0500 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA04363 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:26:47 -0500 From: KenP7672@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26986 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:26:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: <960224142658_152456024@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: TV pictures on RAT's server. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dan, Thanks for clarifying the matter regarding SONIC'S last issue, which hopefully won't be for a long time to come. As for discouraging submissions, that I would never do. I was only trying to point out that anyone wishing to do so is going to be fighting an uphill battle, that if they had the patience and were prepared for the very real possibility of having to rewrite their story to accomodate events that have already transpired in the Archie series, that if they could work within those conditions then they might have a chance, albeit a VERY SLIM one, but a chance nevertheless. It also helps when the person submitting has had some previous experience selling stories to publishers, especially other comic book publishers. I can already hear people asking how can they make a sale when no one is giving them a chance. It's a Catch-22 situation, I admit, but if one is resourceful and one is good, there's always an opportunity. You also have to remember how many other people would love to write or draw a SONIC story, or ARCHIE or X-MEN or BATMAN or STAR TREK. The odds of your story being used when established professionals express interest in these assignments make the deck even harder stacked against you. Right now, the industry is going through some upheavel and people who weren't available before are now scrambling for work. So keep these considerations in mind when submitting to an editor, okay? If you get shot down, chances are very good it wasn't anything personal. He or she just decided to go with a known commodity. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Feb 24 14:54:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA06460 for sonic-ll; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:48:14 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA06386 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:48:06 -0500 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA17301 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:48:03 -0600 Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id NAA16340; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:48:04 -0600 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:48:03 -0600 (CST) From: James Firmiss To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Sonic #34 (Was Re: TV pictures on RAT's server) In-Reply-To: <960224141357_152449611@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 KenP7672@aol.com wrote: > Where on earth did anyone get the idea that SONIC issue #50 is the last > issue? In previous posts, I've said we pretty much have all the scripts in > development up to issue #50, with some idea where we're headed after that. As > for not missing much, you better start paying attention, because a lot is > happening in upcoming issues. Issue#34 finally kicks into high gear the > KNUCKLES story everyone's been waiting for, and Uncle Chuck is back in the > lead SONIC story. And, oh yeah, KING ACORN is coming soon. Lots more, too, > but I don't want to spoil the surprises. I got Issue #34 at my local comic shop yesterday... The Knuckles story is definitly on a roll now. I thought the main sonic story started strong but ended a bit too quickly. It feels like a long time since we had SonicGrams with actual letters in it. I'm glad to see its back [ More news ... Watch for a Bunny Rabbot solo story... Issue #37 if I remember? ] We'll also get to learn more about power rings in issue #35... I wonder how close Archie's explanation of power rings is to mine (something I STILL have to incorporate into a story). From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 25 00:10:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA07010 for sonic-ll; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:56:29 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA07004 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:56:20 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA04185 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:55:18 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199602250555.WAA04185@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Nomad's Timeline To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Someone asked what year it was. I had figured this out a few months ago for my stories and RPG. -Sally and Sonic were born in 3219 -Antoine was born in 3217 -The attack on the palace was in 3224 -The destruction of the Doomsday project was 3235 I figured this out using Blast to the Past and the comics. Thanks, Nomad PS. Anyone have anything to say about my RPG? :) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 25 02:38:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA20824 for sonic-ll; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:29:41 -0500 Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (dmurashc@cap1.CapAccess.org [198.69.201.50]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA20819 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:29:37 -0500 Received: (from dmurashc@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA15776; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:30:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dmitry Murashchik To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: .AVI fiels (and robotisizer) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hello everybody! Whoever is making those .avi files, would you be able to scan in the beginning of the episode "Sonic Boom" (it's the part with the robot going toward it's post). I think that that part is very Cool. >From what i have heard Archie say, I am very impatient to get my hands on all of those cool stories that are coming up. (My story is almost at a halt, the "Blue Pages" are getting revised, and my first picture of Sonic and Sally (no they are not at it you perverts) is supposed to be scanning by my friend, but I haven't heard of it for a while. The only way I can upload these files to my favorite page(rat.org) is to e-mail them to the owner (Ratman?). Is this OK?) BTW - does the roboticiser do the following, or is it less brutal?: It is designed to be used with sedatives or under sleep. It sends tiny robots into your body (nanites) that tear off every single cell in your body, and replace it with a synthetic replica, except for the cells in your brain, liver, kidneys, and some parts of your lungs. These synthetic cells contain a stored DNA code that's used to repair the body, and keep the backup of the original state of the body. The surviving organs are penetrated with wires, microchips, and tiny motors. The majority on nanites is stored in "sleep" mode throughout your body, and can be activated at any time (Bunny's failed derobotization). Due to the scale of this surgical procedure, you will feel it very well. For the first couple of seconds you will be in terrible pain, then you will go into temporary shock, and finally, you will faint from the intensity of the nerve signals (pain) sent to your brain. The last three steps could be avoided by putting the patient to sleep, of under similar situations.Once the process is complete, the nanites stored in your body can be restarted in small colonies throughout your body. Such colony could be used to control brain functions, thus the programming and loss of will power. The only way this process can be fully reversed is by first converting your body to it's original form through the use of nanites and DNA codes in the cells, and then, the complete elimination of all nanites in your body. The elimination of nanites is a very difficult process due to their scale, their position, and their numbers. (Doesn't this just BEG to be included in the FAQ? This was based on the most popular ideas, with the holes filled in by the show, and by me. I made sure that all of the holes were covered.) SONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONIC Y S Writer/Sculptor/Hacker S "If it ain't S L Dmitry O Collector A blue, don't get A L "Hacker" N And all that other cool L it" - ME L A Murashchik I stuff that won't make a L (A rule I try L S C difference on a resume. Y to follow) Y CINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOS *--------{ E-MAIL }------* | DMURASHC@CAPACCESS.ORG | *-----------S+S----------* From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 25 10:04:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA11878 for sonic-ll; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:37:54 -0500 Received: from crossbow.ibcco.com (ibcco.com [206.98.212.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA11873 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:37:51 -0500 Received: from merlin0.ibcco.com ([206.98.212.200]) by crossbow.ibcco.com (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 ID# 0-11180) with SMTP id AAA194 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:35:52 -0500 X-Sender: skypilot@mail.ibcco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: skypilot@ibcco.com (Pugh, Don) Subject: Grounder Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:35:52 -0500 Message-ID: <19960225143551228.AAA194@merlin0.ibcco.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hello All! I was thinking of the adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog (The one without Princess Sally) and I thought: Just WHAT is Grounder? I saw he was supposed to be Scratch's twin, but Scratch messed it up. Every 'bot I saw on the show and the comic are recognizable as to which animal they are. Except Grounder. Is he some kind of mutated chicken? A household appliance? A Paperweight? A fall-apart toy? Anyone know? But he's even weirder when his parts are thrown about. Some quotes: (Gets hit by cannonball) GROUNDER: I put my head back on for this? SCRATCH: Shut Up! At least you're supposed to be detachable! But we can all agree he is stupid. SCRATCH: Maybe we could ask Dr. Robotnik for- a salary! GROUNDER: Not me! I'd rather ask to be paid every week! Right. Later, Ian Pugh From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 25 12:25:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA20874 for sonic-ll; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:55:22 -0500 Received: from underdog.maxie.com (underdog.maxie.com [199.250.231.28]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA20869 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:55:19 -0500 Received: from sonic.maxie.com (sonic.maxie.com [199.250.231.29]) by underdog.maxie.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA16860 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:54:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:54:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199602251654.LAA16860@underdog.maxie.com> X-Sender: max@mail.maxie.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Max Subject: Re: Grounder Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 09:35 AM 2/25/96 -0500, you wrote: > I was thinking of the adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog (The one >without Princess Sally) and I thought: Just WHAT is Grounder? Grounder is a Burrobot. Unlike most of the others, he doesn't seem to be based on any animal. He is a direct carry-over from the original Sonic the Hedgehog video game. As for Grounder being stupid, the ones in the game aren't very bright either. :-) Max From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 25 14:41:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA28233 for sonic-ll; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:26:45 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA24704 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:06:31 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id MAA18798 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:06:28 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02120; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:29:51 +1100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:29:51 +1100 From: Chris Baird Message-Id: <199602240029.LAA02120@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: "Religion and Hedgehogs" ... anyone still have a copy? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net A few years ago a StH fanfic story was posted to the newsgroup alt.famn.furry (it wasn't well received, but anyway) with the above title. During a conversation at OzCon5 (with someone who also believes Sally is a Weasel..we're everywhere :) I was reminded of the posts, and so I'd like to read it again. Did anyone here archive the story, or at at least the author's email address? -- Chris From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 25 16:55:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA05466 for sonic-ll; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:26:22 -0500 Received: from crossbow.ibcco.com (ibcco.com [206.98.212.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id QAA05460 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:26:20 -0500 Received: from merlin1.ibcco.com ([206.98.212.201]) by crossbow.ibcco.com (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 ID# 0-11180) with SMTP id AAA178 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:24:21 -0500 X-Sender: skypilot@mail.ibcco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: skypilot@ibcco.com (Pugh, Don) Subject: Questions Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 16:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: <19960225212420150.AAA178@merlin1.ibcco.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hello! Thanx to Max for responding. I have some questions. What does the S. S. S. S. S. Squad stand for? Is Robotnik robotic? Every 'bot shown in the comic and cartoon are from the games except Scratch. What game is he from? Later, Ian Pugh From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Feb 25 19:32:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA15884 for sonic-ll; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:16:45 -0500 Received: from underdog.maxie.com (underdog.maxie.com [199.250.231.28]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA15879 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:16:37 -0500 Received: from sonic.maxie.com (sonic.maxie.com [199.250.231.29]) by underdog.maxie.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA17651 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:15:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:15:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199602260015.TAA17651@underdog.maxie.com> X-Sender: max@mail.maxie.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Max Subject: Re: Questions Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 04:24 PM 2/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >What does the S. S. S. S. S. Squad stand for? Super Special Sonic Search and Smash Squad. > Is Robotnik robotic? No, I don't think so, at least in Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. Looks just like his mother, in fact. :-) In Sega's original comic (long before number 1/4th from Archie), Robonik was turned into his current condition when an experiment went wrong. It also explained how Sonic got to be blue. The Archie series and the television shows have different origins, since in those Sonic comes form a line of equally blue ancestors. > Every 'bot shown in the comic and cartoon are from the games >except Scratch. What game is he from? No, there are have been many robots on the series which did not have origins in the game. Breezy, the robot hedgehogette, has no game origin I know of. Nor does Robotnic's robot son. As for Scratch, he actually looks a lot like one of the robotic chickens from Greenhill Zone of Sonic the Hedgehog. That is, he looks like one that someone grabbed by both ends and stretched a lot! Max From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 00:00:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA00186 for sonic-ll; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:37:47 -0500 Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (dmurashc@cap1.CapAccess.org [198.69.201.50]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA00181 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:37:44 -0500 Received: (from dmurashc@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA19425; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:39:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:38:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dmitry Murashchik To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Questions In-Reply-To: <19960225212420150.AAA178@merlin1.ibcco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 25 Feb 1996 Ian wrote: > Is Robotnik robotic? His arm is. And I think his skeleton is too (I think that the roboticiser converts your internal suport first . How else can you carry around at the very least 7 kilogram arm with such ease?) > Every 'bot shown in the comic and cartoon are from the games > except Scratch. What game is he from? Scratch looks very much like cluck in Sonic 2 Sky Fortress zone. (the one that shoots eggs at you.) (insert friendly note here) SONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONIC Y S Writer/Sculptor/Hacker S "If it ain't S L Dmitry O Collector A blue, don't get A L "Hacker" N And all that other cool L it" - ME L A Murashchik I stuff that won't make a L (A rule I try L S C difference on a resume. Y to follow) Y CINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOS *--------{ E-MAIL }------* | DMURASHC@CAPACCESS.ORG | *-----------S+S----------* From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 08:56:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA07220 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:40:27 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA07215 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:40:24 -0500 Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17632; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:40:19 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA15705; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:40:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199602261340.IAA15705@edmund> Subject: Re: .AVI fiels (and robotisizer) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:40:16 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Dmitry Murashchik" at Feb 25, 96 02:30:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dmitry: Try thinking this through a bit more! ( ;-) <-- indication of irony) I've never been strong on the robobiotic/nanite scenario myself. Because I'm something of a layman when it comes to the life sciences, I've always worked under the model of a host/parasite relationship between the robotic components (which attach to, work with, and override the biological ones) and the roboticized body. But that's just me. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 09:07:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA07695 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:45:52 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA07689 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:45:49 -0500 Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17827; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:45:40 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA15936; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:45:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199602261345.IAA15936@edmund> Subject: Re: "Religion and Hedgehogs" ... anyone still have a copy? To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:45:41 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199602240029.LAA02120@brushtail.hna.com.au> from "Chris Baird" at Feb 24, 96 11:29:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > A few years ago a StH fanfic story was posted to the newsgroup > alt.fan.furry (it wasn't well received, but anyway) with the above > title. During a conversation at OzCon5 (with someone who also > believes Sally is a Weasel..we're everywhere :) I was reminded of > the posts, and so I'd like to read it again. Did anyone here > archive the story, or at at least the author's email address? > > -- > Chris > Whoa! The sysop here at the college doesn't allow access to ANY alt.fan groups, but with a title like that I'd have read the story in a heartbeat had I known. I second the motion: please repost if you have a copy. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 16:14:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA07705 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:55:24 -0500 Received: from crossbow.ibcco.com (ibcco.com [206.98.212.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id PAA07700 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:55:19 -0500 Received: from merlin23.ibcco.com ([206.98.212.223]) by crossbow.ibcco.com (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 ID# 0-11180) with SMTP id AAA184 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:53:14 -0500 X-Sender: skypilot@mail.ibcco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: skypilot@ibcco.com (Pugh, Don) Subject: A cancel job Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: <19960226205313203.AAA184@merlin23.ibcco.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi again! Thanks to everyone who responded. The mail cascaded in! And the contents were fabulous! I have a point. Does anyone notice now that USA now has the Adv. of Sonic the Hedgehog, they've been cutting out vital peices of humor? Some examples: - In "Road Hog", when the biker opens his mouth, an anvil falls in. That's been edited out. - In the one with Breezy as the main guest, when the dragon puts his foot in the water, alligators cascade it. Cut out. - When Scratch and Grounder cook Robotnik pancakes, the mad doctor cooks fried chicken brains on a Burrobot Oven. Cut Out. Maybe the show should have stayed with Fox. Does anyone else see this? Later, Ian Pugh From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 16:24:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA08640 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:19:34 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (acme@use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA08635 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:19:32 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA10270; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:19:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:19:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic Merchandise List v3.3.0x Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At last, a new Merchandise List is available! http://rat.org/sonic/merchandise.html If you don't have Web access, you may ftp the text version from rat.org. Along with updated listings, I have made all links compatible with lynx. Lynx users may also now use the (C)omment feature as well. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 17:29:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA12212 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:57:42 -0500 Received: from underdog.maxie.com (underdog.maxie.com [199.250.231.28]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA12202 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:57:37 -0500 Received: from sonic.maxie.com (sonic.maxie.com [199.250.231.29]) by underdog.maxie.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA19667 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:56:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:56:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199602262156.QAA19667@underdog.maxie.com> X-Sender: max@mail.maxie.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Max Subject: Re: A cancel job Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 03:53 PM 2/26/96 -0500, you wrote: > Maybe the show should have stayed with Fox. Does anyone else see this? It is an unfortunate fact that just about anything USA shows has been cut up, mainly to allow then squeeze in a few extra commericals. You also have that silly USA icon you have to put up with. I would have preferred it to have stayed on Fox myself. I don't think Fox ever gave the show much of a chance, at least not here, since the latest they ever showed it was 6 am. :-( Max From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 21:16:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA28327 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:49:55 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA28322 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:49:52 -0500 Received: from pipe6 by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id BAA12124; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 01:47:30 GMT Received: by pipe6 (5.0/SMI-5.4-PSI) id AA11448; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:47:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:47:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9602270147.AA11448@pipe6> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: .AVI fiels (and robotisizer) From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 508 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Feb 25, 1996 02:30:53, 'Dmitry Murashchik ' wrote: >Hello everybody! >Whoever is making those .avi files, would you be able to scan >in the beginning of the episode "Sonic Boom" (it's the part with >the robot going toward it's post). >I think that that part is very Cool. I'm making the AVI files for now... e-mail me at sirkain@mnsinc.com and i'll talk to you about it, and see about making it... (switching accouns, and killing this one) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 23:30:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA07270 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:16:27 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA07260 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:16:23 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA02545 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:16:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:16:12 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960226231612.19690@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Comments on Sonic 34 (spoilers) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net A correspondent from my mini-list beat me to the main comment on the art: >Not sure I like Sally's facial makeover for the issue. Something about >the eyes and muzzle just doesn't seem right. But, the bod is great. :-) Agreed - I just now noticed her last appearance on page 16 - yow! >And Bunnie's black costume is pretty trick..although I don't >understand why they'd leave her highly reflective metal surfaces open. I think that whole black outfit thing is more for show than any practical camouflage. And I see they're continuing to imply her entire lower half is robotic, but I'll let the .fandomers hash that out... Nice Pogo reference on Page 9 (and Jay Ward too? :^)) Good thing Rotor learned his lesson from Sally's roboticization and attached the Neuro-Overrider (TM, R) a bit more securely this time... Now for the Knuckles story: Is it just me, or did Echidnapolis as shown on page 2 look like scenes from pre-explosion Krypton? :^) And presumably future stories will show how and why they dumped their city for the more primitive look of the island today... More office humor for Dan to flame, er comment on... But I see Scott (or whoever answers the letters) dodged Roby Brown's question about what they do with all the letters - Scott in his "column" did say he read them all, but the question is does he file or toss them afterwards? RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Feb 26 23:50:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA07568 for sonic-ll; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:27:03 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA07563 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:27:00 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA03491 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:26:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960226232657.19690@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Comments on Super-Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles (spoilers) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Not sure what to say about this one; I guess to sum it up, it tried to be everything to everybody, but I don't know how well it worked: 1. Action stuff: Knuckles and Sonic fighting - didn't do much for me, but maybe the 8-12 year-olds will like it... 2. Fanboy stuff: Mawhinney/Koslowski - need I say more? :^) Though Sally only, no Bunnie... 3. Funny stuff: "four to one they're in a fight by page six!", "Get my agent on the phone!" I laughed, but I hope we don't see too much more Fourth Wall humor in the future - it's distracting... 4. Character development: Sonic and Knuckles have a past??? Inquiring minds want to know more :^) 5. Sega stuff: the story depends on the discovery of "an unknown [game] zone"; I've never quite figured how they fit into Mobian geology, etc. so I just tolerate them as something mandated by Sega and shoehorned into the story... Continuity glitch: I thought the lake that generated power rings was near Knothole, not Robotropolis??? I don't have much to say about the Knuckles solo story - I never really cared much for him as a character, thus couldn't really get into it. RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 27 13:29:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA06857 for sonic-ll; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:07:23 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA06847 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:07:18 -0500 Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08012; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:07:14 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id NAA09414; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:07:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199602271807.NAA09414@edmund> Subject: Super Sonic v. Hyper Knuckles special To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:07:14 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net [to add to FAQ FILE] Super Sonic V. Hyper Knuckles Special #1 [no date] "Crash Of The Titans" Story: Mike Gallagher; Art: Art Mawhinney OK, kids, let's sing the theme song! They fight And bite They fight and bite and fight Bite bite bite Fight fight fight The Itchy and Scratchy...oops... The Sonic and Knuckles Show! What can you say about a story where the basic plot can be summed up as: "Sonic and Knuckles try to beat each other up; after finding a hidden level, they warp into Super Sonic and Hyper Knuckles...and try to beat each other up"? What can you say about a story that features no less than TEN editorial box comments by Scott Fulop? My term paper should have as many footnotes! What can you say about a story like that? Quite a bit, actually. Sonic intercepts Knuckles just as the latter is approaching an abandoned pond in sight of Robotropolis. This pretty much signals the beginning of round 1, though Sally shows up a short time later once a tree gets uprooted in the fight: "When the landscape starts to suffer, I step in." Detectng radiation reading using Nicole, Sally peers into the hole left by the uprooted tree. It's a classic missed opportunity for Sonic and Knuckles, for they're so busy glaring at each other that they don't seem to realize that they're in the perfect position to get an eyeful of Acorn booty. "Don't be shy, boys! Take a look down here!" Indeed! I've voiced my opinion about Gallagher's jokey scripts in the past; this time around, he largely keeps it in check. He also gives Sally an amazing aside totally out of left field which I will NOT spoil. The curious can read it on page 13. Gallagher may specialize in screwball gag writing, but apparently he can throw a mean curve when he has to. Once in the zone, Sonic and Knuckles each collect enough trinkets to power up and resume their fight. In order to bring this to an end, the two buttheads butt heads with sufficient force that the zone collapses ("I felt a great disturbance in the Force, Luke!"). Sonic comes to as Sally provides about a page of exposition. She also gives Sonic a ride home on a "sky-cycle" though Scott's editorial box neatly conceals the view of Sonic's hands around Sally's waist -- party pooper! (Though from what I can see of the placement of Sonic's left hand, it's either just gesturing or else was drawn wrong and the box serves the purpose of an artistic fig leaf. Sonic's left hand should have been obscured by Sally's back instead of blocking her right side. I know, I know: everybody's an art critic!). Knuckles has to settle for a spare Chaos Emerald as a consolation prize. The story, though minimal, is better than expected. Perhaps Gallagher needed Mawhinney's brilliant (as usual) art as a steadying influence. Some bad jokes that strain the fourth wall (particularly Robotnik's cameo role), and Sonic and Knuckles seem at times like they're trying to talk each other to death, but a good combination on the whole. "Fathers and Sons" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders; Art: Ken Penders The story begins with a younger Knuckles being given a tour of the island by his father, who sports a short beard and whose white belted jacket means either that he and Luke Skywalker buy their clothes from the same store, or else he operates a dojo on the side. Turns out, in mid-tour, we learn we're in mid- flashback. The words Knuckles heard his father use have been quoted at him by Archimedes. After another flashback concerning Knuckles' problem-solving strategy (when in doubt, punch it out), we learn that the island also has a Forbidden Zone and that this was where Knuckles' father turned over guardianship of the island before leaving his son. I won't say how, exactly, but let's just say that Knuckles' old man sure knows how to make an exit! VERY impressive layout on the top of page 7 and in the upper left panels of page 8. Though I prefer dialogue to soliloquy, the latter was effectively used. So it looks like, after months of 2-page vamping, we're getting ready to get on with the Knuckles story. P.S.: a 1-page ad displays the covers for Sonic #34 (is Sonic being captured by Uncle Chuck?), and all three Knuckles miniseries covers...as if the resumption of the Knuckles solo story in #34 weren't enough. If I were Knuckles, I'd ask for more money! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 27 14:37:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA11983 for sonic-ll; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:15:50 -0500 Received: from zeus.tcp.co.uk (zeus.tcp.co.uk [193.132.77.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA11963 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:15:23 -0500 Received: from jwatts (jwatts@du1-05.tcp.co.uk [194.207.33.5]) by zeus.tcp.co.uk (8.7.1/8.7) with SMTP id TAA10528 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:14:57 GMT Message-ID: <31335603.6B3F@tcp.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:05:39 +0000 From: Andrew Watts X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: UK SONIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Here in the UK they used to put 'Adv. of Sonic' and what you call 'weekend sonic' on at 7am ch4 on saturday morning. They seemed to mix 'Adv. of Sonic' with 'weekend sonic' so you never knew what you were going to get. I have seen all the 'Adv. of sonic' episodes but I greatly prefer 'weekend sonic' because they have a deeper story line. Is there any one else in the UK that wants 'weekend sonic' back on c4? Does anyone know if it will be back? Thakx, p.s. I have uploaded some Sonic the Hedgehog 256 colour animated cursors for Windows 95 in ftp://rat.org/pub/sonic/images/desktop/sonicani.zip -- ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- Andrew J. Watts |/ __ _ jwatts@tcp.co.uk //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ The Happy Icon Collection \\____-- __ \ ___ - http://www.tcp.co.uk/~jwatts/andy/happy.html (@@ __/ / / -_____--- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 27 18:43:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA01139 for sonic-ll; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:28:43 -0500 Received: from crossbow.ibcco.com (ibcco.com [206.98.212.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA01123 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:28:37 -0500 Received: from merlin0.ibcco.com ([206.98.212.200]) by crossbow.ibcco.com (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 ID# 0-11180) with SMTP id AAA173 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:58:29 -0500 X-Sender: skypilot@mail.ibcco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: skypilot@ibcco.com (Pugh, Don) Subject: A really big Spectacular! (Spoilers) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <19960227225828787.AAA173@merlin0.ibcco.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi! Remember Sonic #25? I'd like to give my comments on it. I know it's pretty old... but I'm new here on the list and I'd like to anyway. WARNING! SPOILERS! (Aooga! Aooga!) "GO AHEAD... MECHA MY DAY!" A wonderful Sonic CD adaption. The good- Mecha Sonic. Of all Sonic Clones, he's the most different. When Snively was dressed like Robotnik, reading off cue cards. "Royalty just ain't what it used to be... I wonder if Princess Di had days like this?" Robotnik steals Sonic-Gram letters... so THAT'S where they went! The bad- The "Wizard of Oz" thing only worked for me a little. What are ads doing in a "Special Issue"? They knew this. Why did Doc 'Botnik create a smushing device? He darn well knows Sonic's faster than just about anything. It's just me, but I don't think zooming on a rocket pack, with your legs in the air, would _melt_ your legs. The Ugly- Robotnik Robotnik Robotnik Robotnik Did I mention Robotnik? Oh, and by the way, here's here's the characters at the end. (Left to Right) Mecha Sonic, Doc Robotnik, 4 or 5 Swatbots. Penelope (I think), Amy Rose, Rotor, Geoffrey St. John, ???. ???, Knuckles, Sonic, Sally, Bunnie Rabbot. Uncle Chuck, Muttski, Tails, Antoine, some lizard???. ???, Caterkiller, Psuedo Sonic, Coconuts, Snively. Evil Sally, Grounder (More Burrobot-like), Winged Killer Dog, Evil Rotor, Robot Uncle Chuck. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 27 20:35:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA09086 for sonic-ll; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:17:29 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA09081 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:17:25 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA23913 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:17:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960227201722.19ebb@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: One more thought on Sonic vs. Knuckles (and Marvel vs. DC) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Do you suppose that if Marvel vs. DC had nearly as many fight pages as Sonic vs. Knuckles did, the former would be a bit more popular? :^) Just my impression, based on reading rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe - I haven't bought the actual books themselves... RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 27 20:57:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA09823 for sonic-ll; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:38:49 -0500 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA09818 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:38:46 -0500 From: Razerick@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA27595 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:38:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:38:08 -0500 Message-ID: <960227203806_335082000@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: .AVI fiels (and robotisizer) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net SAy since you like sonic, can you do me a favor? Can you send me episodes from the ABC Sonic on tape? here are the episodes I want: Game Guy, Sonic Conversion, Blast to the Past Part 1 and 2, Dulcy, Drood Henge, and Doomsday. To send these my address is: Richard Kuta 5968 skyfarm dr. Castro Valley CA 94552 My Email address is Razerick@aol.com Thanks for your help, because The ABC sonivc is not on tape at stores. Email me in 1 day about sending these episodes OK!!!!! Richard Kuta Razerick@aol.com From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Feb 27 21:23:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA12958 for sonic-ll; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:02:47 -0500 Received: from crossbow.ibcco.com (ibcco.com [206.98.212.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id VAA12951 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:02:44 -0500 Received: from merlin14.ibcco.com ([206.98.212.214]) by crossbow.ibcco.com (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 ID# 0-11180) with SMTP id AAA166 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:00:37 -0500 X-Sender: skypilot@mail.ibcco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: skypilot@ibcco.com (Pugh, Don) Subject: Triple Stories or Triple Trouble? (Spoilers) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: <19960228020036029.AAA166@merlin14.ibcco.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi! S'more comments on Sonic the Hedgehog's Triple Trouble Special. SPOILERS AHOY! "TTTRIPLE TTTROUBLE!" The Good- This comic needs MORE KNUCKLES! We got him. We got him good. Nice Holo-Wristwatch. Quick! Hit Mute! :-) Mt. Osohai... Heh, heh. Tsk, tsk. Sonic and Knuckles have a little tiff. Right before the emerald comes burrowing out- A breakfast break! The Bad- I wish I knew more about this "Ancient Walker" stuff. Page 23: How did Nack turn all yellow? How did Knux know it was a Sky Cycle? Eh. Sonic's Figure eight Peel-Out was drawn crude. The Ugly- Lose the hat, Nack. In overall, it's good, but it could have been better. "SUBMERSIBLE REHEARSAL" The Good- A nice looking Sea Fox The plot! Tails's suave acting Oh-ho! Nice speech about helping, Tails. One word- MISSILES! Blow 'em outta the water, Tails! Manifique art. Not half bad either. The Bad- When Tails obliterated the Roboticizer, he wasn't very close, and neither was Octobot. How did they get fountained out of the water? Nooooooo!!!! Not a really bad pun!!!! What the HECK does Rotor mean by "too young"? Is he too young to go on Adventures? No! Octobot doesn't give much a fight. The Ugly- Octobot. Overall, the same rating as TTTriple TTTrouble. "FIRST CONTACT" The Good- Finally! A Knuckles Solo! Catweazle. Laugh just thinkin' about that name. Page 3: HELLO! The Bad- The Ax-bot is from Sonic and Knuckles, not Chaotix. Page 4: Where'd that fireball come from? The Chaos Chamber was smaller in TTTriple TTTrouble. The Ugly- Can't get much uglier than Mr. Ax-Bot. Except his creator. :-) Overall, it was a little worse than the other stories. Later, Ian Pugh From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 28 05:16:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id FAA19523 for sonic-ll; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 05:04:41 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id FAA19518 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 05:04:37 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA10725; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:04:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:04:34 +0100 (MET) From: Iggy Drougge X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: UK SONIC In-Reply-To: <31335603.6B3F@tcp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Andrew Watts wrote: > Here in the UK they used to put 'Adv. of Sonic' and what you call > 'weekend sonic' on at 7am ch4 on saturday morning. They seemed to mix > 'Adv. of Sonic' with 'weekend sonic' so you never knew what you were > going to get. I have seen all the 'Adv. of sonic' episodes but I > greatly prefer 'weekend sonic' because they have a deeper story line. > Is there any one else in the UK that wants 'weekend sonic' back on c4? > Does anyone know if it will be back? I want "weekend Sonic" back on TCC! There are 5 times as much adventures of Sonic as there are "Weekend", so it'll be months before they show "weekend" again! =( =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 28 21:45:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA26291 for sonic-ll; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:30:12 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA25671 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:16:23 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.4/8.7.3) with UUCP id GAA13105 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 06:16:14 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA03248; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:50:27 +1100 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Path: brushtail.hna.com.au!bit-bucket From: cjb@brushtail.hna.com.au (Chris Baird) Newsgroups: brush.lists.sonic Subject: Re: UK SONIC Date: 28 Feb 1996 23:50:21 +1100 Organization: Hunter Network Association, Australia Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4h1j2d$35c@brushtail.hna.com.au> References: <31335603.6B3F@tcp.co.uk> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Andrew Watts, >Here in the UK they used to put 'Adv. of Sonic' and what you call >'weekend sonic' on at 7am ch4 on saturday morning. They seemed to mix >'Adv. of Sonic' with 'weekend sonic' so you never knew what you were >going to get. I have seen all the 'Adv. of sonic' episodes but I >greatly prefer 'weekend sonic' because they have a deeper story line. That reminds me to say that the `Saturday' Sonic is showing once again in Australia. Yay! (..and now I have a large-screen television to watch it all on. Bliss :) It's the first season being shown at the moment, but I expect the TEN network have the second season and are reshowing the first to bring everyone up to speed on the story. (It's been ~2 years since the cartoon was last aired in this country.) (I'm somewhat worried at that I no longer find the theme musak as irritating as I did before. :) -- Chris From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Feb 28 23:47:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA04609 for sonic-ll; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:27:40 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA04603 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:27:38 -0500 From: Razerick@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA22154 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:27:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: <960228232704_156196454@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: UK SONIC Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The episodes that are on, is it the third season of the ABC Sonic? I really want to know what happened to Snivlely! Razerick@aol.com From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 29 09:09:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA15490 for sonic-ll; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:48:41 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA15475 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:48:33 -0500 Received: from edmund by peter.cs.andrews.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA14553; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:48:30 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA05214; Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:48:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199602291348.IAA05214@edmund> Subject: Re: UK SONIC To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:48:29 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960228232704_156196454@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Razerick@aol.com" at Feb 28, 96 11:27:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > The episodes that are on, is it the third season of the ABC Sonic? I really > want to know what happened to Snivlely! > > Razerick@aol.com > It would be interesting if it were so, because Sonic only lasted two seasons on ABC. As Keeper of the Sonic FAQ File, I ought to know. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================