From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 12:46:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA26589 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:15:36 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA26584 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:15:34 -0500 From: Tails3657@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA27246 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:15:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:15:03 -0500 Message-ID: <960101121502_28746260@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: A Sad End To My Internet Life Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I'm afraid I'm going to have to get off the Internet for a while due to circumstances beyond my control. However, you can write me at: Michael Reyes 4506 Sparrow Court Woodbridge, VA 22193 And If any of you could ever call me, my number is: 703-680-4553 (ask for Mike) -TAiLS -MiCHAEL REYES And please keep in touch! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 12:46:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA26853 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:30:03 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA26848 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:30:01 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA25786; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:30:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:30:00 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: new files Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Someone keeps uploading these captured images from the Sat AM TV show, and they still haven't written me about it! They just keep putting them in /incoming on rat.org So whoever you are, please speak up! Today's new images: rat.org/pub/sonic/images/tv/ robodog.jpg roboni5.jpg robosal1.jpg robosoni.jpg roboswat.jpg salrobaz.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 12:57:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA26554 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:14:26 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA26541 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:14:13 -0500 Received: from anx_28.global.co.za (anx_28.global.co.za [196.3.164.78]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA16803 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:05:41 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:05:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199601011705.TAA16803@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Re: Whre's David Pistone? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Where's David Pistone? Why on Mobius of course! [Haven't you read The Satire?] :) *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | What was and what will| | O o o O o O o O O O o | be.. are never mine to| |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | grasp or see. = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Jonathan Righter = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 12:58:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA26559 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:14:29 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA26543 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:14:14 -0500 Received: from anx_28.global.co.za (anx_28.global.co.za [196.3.164.78]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA16800 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:05:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:05:38 +0200 Message-Id: <199601011705.TAA16800@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Re: Game Development Team Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Can the game be played on a 386, or does it have to be Pentium? Hmm.. Well as I don't have a pentium, I have this odd feeling it will be running on 386 code. Basically I am putting in multiple routines for gameplay, so my 486dx40 can handle it with fair GFX. A 386 (might) cope, but it depends.. I know for one thing. A 386DX40 with Local Bus VGA.. outnumbers my measly 16bit VGA card... and should do fine for the game. [Of course I'm not cutting FX there.. I have a DX4-100 in the next room with a VLBVGA, so I will be coding for that too.. meaning from machine to machine you'll get different GFX levels. Except for CRAY-XMP's that is.. It looks like I just can't work out how to real time ray-trace everything.] >BTW. I have to ask... Will Tails be in it? in FT terms. :smiles, "and more TOO!" Cheers *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | What was and what will| | O o o O o O o O O O o | be.. are never mine to| |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | grasp or see. = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Jonathan Righter = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 13:09:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA28517 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:54:13 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA28508 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 12:54:10 -0500 Received: from usr2.primenet.com (root@usr2.primenet.com [198.68.32.12]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA24696 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:54:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr2.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA29879; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:54:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:54:10 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Whre's David Pistone? In-Reply-To: <960101025253_28608478@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > Where's David Pistone? > Right here. How can I help you? +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 14:25:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA03188 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:06:40 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA03183 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:06:38 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA12005 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:06:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:06:07 -0500 Message-ID: <960101140605_103638008@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Okay, first things first: HOW CAN WE HAVE A GREAT GAME WIT OUT A PLOT?!?!?!!? I'm (hopefully :>) the story board artist...so HOW CAN I CREATE A STORY BOARD?!?! Yeash! Help here? Send to: MY ADDRESS!! (yeah...gozit?) *~"I spent 20 hours on 'MobiusNet' for THIS?!?!?!?!!"~*-Mellisa Kopter Prower ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ******************** $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ******************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 15:11:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA06426 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:07:27 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA06421 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:07:24 -0500 Received: from dial-45.en.net (dial-45.en.net [204.89.181.245]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA06576 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:18:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:18:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601012018.PAA06576@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Okay, first things first: > >HOW CAN WE HAVE A GREAT GAME WIT OUT A PLOT?!?!?!!? > > I'm (hopefully :>) the story board artist...so HOW CAN I CREATE A STORY >BOARD?!?! Yeash! Help here? > >Send to: MY ADDRESS!! (yeah...gozit?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- -=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D- Everyone, LISTEN UP! :) We need a list of people working on this project. It's going to be big, and we'll need losta beta's (game testers), artists, etc. Here's what I'm working with, (as I am the co-ordinater of this): ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Lead Programer =B7=B7=B7=B7 Ablater (Simon Howes) Sound d00d =B7=B7=B7=B7 Michael's Brother (can't remember his name..Aaron= Rheyes, I beleive?) Background artist =B7=B7=B7=B7 Douglas LoConti (that's me) Plot designer =B7=B7=B7=B7 (above, can't read) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- I mean, this is ALL i have right now! :) We need more info, (there's probably more people working on this, Simon knows the rest of them,) I was on with Simon for about 15 minutes today, (long distance sucks, especially international,) this is all under hat right now, but I understand the= following: This game is going to be one of if not THE sweetest game for the PC ever created. Sega can't touch us, since this is FANDOM, and we're not making a buck off of it. In other words, it's legal to make this game. The music score is going to be AWESOME, (and I can personally garentee this, because:) I know the sound boy, and the way we're importing this to PC is a method NOT used b4, but will be an excellent method at that. =20 If you are on this project and NOT LISTED ABOVE, write me at: mighty@en.com giving me your FULL REAL NAME, what you're doing, and your telephone number, (no, not so I can prank you, so I can call and get some info,) and of course everything is confidintial. Myself and Simon will be the only ones that get your number. Well, anyways, it's important. It's kind of hard to make a game when you don't know who's on the team, ya know? Well, as far as I can tell, this is what we still need: * MORE plot designers (those that take this job MUST WORK TOGETHER!) * LEAD PROGRAMMERS (to help Simon; he can't do ALL the work!) :) =20 * SOUND TESTERS, COMPOSERS, PORTERS, (that is, you have to be able to convert sound) * ARTISTS! For the charachter poses! Make them small, (one square inch?) send them to Simon or myself * And, of course, LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of beta testers!!! (write me, if you want to be one; I think >10< will suffice.) IF you choose to write me, please give me all the info I requested, and you'll be "officially" added to the team. Like I said, Simon is working on his sound system-once that's up and running, this thing will be underway. REMEMBER! This is important. If you decide to join/help our "team", you will have your name in the credits! :) And who knows where it leads from there.... >>hopefully<< $ega will buy our little "idea", and we'll all get rich. Well, write me if you can help. sorry for the long message, ------------------------------------------- | Mighty IS Doug LoConti | "you wage wars;| | "mighty@en.com" | our crime? | | | -curiousity" | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 15:26:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA06593 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:11:09 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA06588 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:11:06 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18634; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:11:05 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id PAA05314; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:11:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199601012011.PAA05314@edmund> Subject: Re: Reflections at Sunrise (1/1) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:11:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601010108.UAA18056@acmex.gatech.edu> from "Robin Hood" at Dec 31, 95 08:08:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Robin: Very nice piece! I've always favored "mood" stories to ones with non-stop action. Keep up the good work. Since USA's programming is no longer being screwed up by the holidays, we now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 15:41:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA06943 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:33:05 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA06936 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:33:02 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19031; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:33:00 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id PAA05716; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:33:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199601012033.PAA05716@edmund> Subject: Re: What about the war?/ Happy N Y To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:33:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <951231133828_28129789@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Dec 31, 95 01:38:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > This message might offend some people, so, if it offends > you, I am sorry in advance. > > Anyway, here it goes: > > Why do the writers make Robotnik tell stupid jokes? Why jokes at all? He's a > madman who is allways in a bad mood. People in a bad mood (or, do to some > accidents involving the hedgehog, is in a terrible mood) dont tell jokes?! > Especially not _BAD_ jokes! And I think I saw some of you write that > Bloodlines (I loved that story) was too depressing. Well, of course it's > depressing! Wars are allways depressing! There's a _HOLOCAUST_ going on for > @#!%$# sakes! I mean, some stories write about a group that goes out > to plant bombs in a factory, the group is having fun, and the group is > allways happy. WHAT ABOUT THE _WAR_?! Also Robotnik. Why is he portrayed as > being so stupid? (Lot's of stories I have read have that) If he's an idiot, > Than the whole Mobius is made up of idiots! Robotnik, an "evil GENIUS", > outsmarted the whole world, and thus > became the "planet's overlord". Why doesn't anyone (or at least > only a very small amount of people) pay any attention to these > things!? > Thank you for listening and helping me get this off of my back. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR KNOTHOLE! > Hopefully this little message will be the New Year's resolution :'{ > > "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) > > Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik > COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. > I know what you mean. My very first post to rec.arts.animation dealt with this topic. I gave it the subject line "Schizo The Hedgehog" and it concerned the difference in mood between the syndicated cartoon series (wherein Robotnik is largely a buffoon) and the weekend animated series that ran on ABC (wherein Robotnik has more of a Darth Vaderesque air about him). This schizophrenia continues even in the comics. While some writers (such as Kanterovich and Penders in the Sally Miniseries) can take the "fight" in Freedom Fighters seriously, other writers like DeCesare and Gallagher have to keep the jokes coming. I've traded posts on this subject with Paul Castiglia at Archie Comics (who used to work in editing the comics before moving on to other Archie work and leaving Sonic in the editorial hands of Scott Fulop). Paul left the impression that the comics have to pass review from representatives of SEGA who insist that the material be kept "light." But there's a difference between banter with a humorous edge, and going into some mindless joke-telling mode. Many of the Gallagher/Manak stories fit the latter description. Personally, I'm convinced that the Sonic team at Archie believes that their primary readership consists of 8-12 year old boys. As a result, they are not about to explore some of the harder realities of the conflict. "That's The Spirit" in Sonic #20 came as close as they ever have: still, the way the story was told and supported by Manak's artwork undercut the poignancy of the plot [the freedom fighters believe that Sonic is dead]. The Tails 2-part story "Growing Pains" in #28 and #29 was an even greater example of what could go wrong: quite aside from the flaws in the story *per se*, it was hard to take Tails' heartbreak seriously when he was stuck with such melodramatic prose. Until such a time when SEGA authorizes an illustrated novel featuring Sonic, I don't expect the situation to change at Archie any time soon. In the meantime, those of us who aren't hesitant to deal with such things can always post fanfic. And I'm not just saying this because of your kind words about "Bloodlines," either! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 16:56:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA10382 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:44:36 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA10377 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:44:33 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20727; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:44:32 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id QAA07361; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:44:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199601012144.QAA07361@edmund> Subject: Critique: "Southern Crossover" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:44:33 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This isn't going to be a recap of CS#3; I'll let John Johnston's review stand for submission to the FAQ File. Instead, there are a couple of loose ends I want to address. "Southern Crossover" represents a vast improvement over "Growing Pains" which started out strong in Part 1 and went into a nosedive in Part 2. Still, Gallagher has demonstrated he has something to learn about story structure. Of the two major trouble spots, the more minor of the two has to do with the subplot of Tails as The Chosen One (as prelude to the upcoming series "A Sense of History"). Tails certainly meets one of the major requirements of a mythological hero: he is the runt of the litter, the small one, the youth. He has set out to prove himself to his elders and discovers that he is in for more than he bargained for. By the same token, Athair as shaman takes the role of the Helper in Tails' adventure (I'll admit it: when I got hold of SC#3 I also got out my copy of Joseph Campbell's "Hero With A Thousand Faces"). All this would be well and good, except that there was no foreshadowing of Tails' adventure until he was let off in the crater. Tails (and the reader) then get a crash course in Mobian cosmology -- or at least the highlights thereof -- before an abrupt turn back to the plot. Tails neither mentions nor reflects upon what has happened to him once outside the crater. Perhaps this is all prelude to Tails' larger adventure still to come, but it's also clumsy storytelling -- rather like a 3-course meal consisting of soup, salad, and a roast turkey swallowed whole. Yet the more grievous error is to be found on SC#3, page 21. Tails finally admits that he misses the group from Knothole, that he had been resentful of them, and that he now realizes that they really did care about him. The problem with this declaration is that there is no evidence to back it up. Aside from dropping Sonic's name a couple of times, you would think that Tails hadn't bestowed a moment's thought upon any of them. He was eloquent enough in resenting their "infantile treatment" of him (SC#1, p. 5), but does he miss them? Is he shown remembering better times with any of them? Does he ever wish they were with him when he was being subjected to attacks by Octobot or the Wing Dingoes? No. His primary concern is himself--in the pages of "Tails To Astonish." Yet we're asked to believe that he got over his resentment of Sonic et al. somewhere along the way. It is not the job of the writer to ask us to believe that something has happened -- it is to SHOW it happening, as plausibly as possible. This Gallagher failed to do. One of the limitations of comics is their limited ability to show a character's "inner life" -- their thoughts, aspirations, emotions. Everything has to be out front as quickly as possible because deadlines are approaching and space is limited. In this respect, Japanese _manga_ have the advantage. With stories in Japanese comics running to hundreds of pages (and sometimes being serialized for years if they are successful), there is space for a character to be introspective, to have an emotional life. It is this -- and not just the novelty of being a two-tailed fox -- that has spawned a following for Tails. His fans sense a character with a personality, with feelings. But the Tails of "Growing Pains" and (to a lesser extent) "Southern Crossover" gets seriously shortchanged in this regard. He becomes a character reading lines. And when the reader is simply told "He feels this-and-that" without being made to understand WHY, the reader is shortchanged as well. My $.02. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 18:12:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA13663 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:41:18 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA13658 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:41:12 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA23528 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:40:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: <960101174039_28997077@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Map of Mobius. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I remember that in one of the DiC episodes, for about three seconds, Robotnik was looking at a pretty clear picture of the Map of Mobius on his computer. Does anyone remember which episode was that in? "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 18:14:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA13670 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:41:23 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA13665 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:41:21 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA17007 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:40:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:40:48 -0500 Message-ID: <960101174047_28997187@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Robotnik & Snively Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively hates Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC episodes, Snively and Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite alot? I can't think of any examples, but I do know that somehow. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 18:27:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA16099 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:07:33 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA16087 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:07:28 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08883 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:06:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <960101180656_82124570@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Hi Dan! (I mean Drazen.) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi Dan (Drazen)! I finaly got to hear from you! Thanks for giving such a nice reply to my questions on Mobius Idiots :') . I have a question. In Bloodlines, did Bunny kiss Sandy because she was a le___an, or because they were like a same person, going through the same childhood pains, and getting ripped in two was a very devastating thing (kind of like a good-bye to myself kiss)? I am hoping that the last one was it, and that whoever read it and thought it was the first one, would think again. By the way, I've noticed something in your whatchamucallit: ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ The top three lines are off by one space to the left. Just a friendly note :'). "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 19:21:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA19004 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:49:29 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA18984 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:49:27 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA15901 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:48:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: <960101184854_82145380@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: STRING USA UP!!!!!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Don't worry about USA. I done roboticized them all for that already. [hears clanking metal behing me] Yeah! YOU heard me! Go make a USA Original Sonic Movie, NOW! ..and don't let that $#!* happen again!! David Kintobor. {Relativeship *has* its prilivges (sp?)} From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 19:21:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA18966 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:49:19 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA18916 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:49:14 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08814 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:48:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:48:43 -0500 Message-ID: <960101184840_82145219@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: (C)(TM)(R) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 95-12-30 11:41:11 EST, you write: >Oh yeah? What language ya makin' it in? I can program some, and I can >do jammin' MODS! Let's get EVERYBODY in on this one! for the PC, I assume? > > I assume that this Fanzine Sonic Game (Pending SEGA approval of us using Sonic charas, and I hope they will, or I would get . . . ) will be for the IBM, but it's not from just me. Several people that are on this Mailing List are teaming up on creating it. I'm just one of the graphic designers for the job. I won't tell everyone too much about it, just enough to get your hopes up for another Sonic Fix, and believe me, we *need* one! David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com} http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<---Get BAMmed From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 19:36:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA19173 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:01:40 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA19168 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:01:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 19:01:37 -0500 Received: from ip128.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa21125; 1 Jan 96 19:00 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Re: What about the war?/ Happy N Y Message-ID: <9601011900.aa21125@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >This schizophrenia continues even in the comics. While some writers >(such as Kanterovich and Penders in the Sally Miniseries) can take the >"fight" in Freedom Fighters seriously, other writers like DeCesare and >Gallagher have to keep the jokes coming. I understand what you mean, and I must say that I've noticed a degree of inconsistency in the writing styles, myself. I really think they could do more to ensure that the storylines and the character development are more consistent on an issue to issue basis. Sometimes I put down an issue and I think, "Jeez, that was cool!" Other times, I feel like I'm Mr. Rogers. "Hello boys and girls. Can you say 'plot?' Sure you can!" >Paul left the impression >that the comics have to pass review from representatives of SEGA who >insist that the material be kept "light." But there's a difference >between banter with a humorous edge, and going into some mindless >joke-telling mode. If it is true that Sega has a large say in what the comics turn out to be like, then I say they're shooting themselves in the foot by harming the characters in this way. THEY NEED MORE DISTINCT PERSONALITIES WITH MORE EMOTIONAL EXPRESSION. It's that simple. I don't suppose anybody was a fan of the Ninja Turtles series which was put out by Archie? In it's final 2 years, I truly enjoyed what they were doing with it. They explored the characters' emotions and the writers were creating very intricate plotlines, with complex themes. They just kept setting up more interesting events making you drool in anticipation of the next issue. Sonic just seems to be turning into a Joke-a-Thon more and more with each passing issue. The emotional and character development just isn't there, and when an attempt is made, it usually falls flat on it's face because it just doesn't fit in. >Personally, I'm convinced that the Sonic team at Archie believes that >their primary readership consists of 8-12 year old boys. As a result, >they are not about to explore some of the harder realities of the >conflict. This fact may be due to Sega's influence, as well. I believe that 8-12 year olds are Sega's main target audience for...(guess what?) the Sonic the Hedgehog games. >Until such a time when SEGA authorizes an illustrated novel featuring >Sonic, I don't expect the situation to change at Archie any time soon. >In the meantime, those of us who aren't hesitant to deal with such >things can always post fanfic. Such a thing would truly be cool. Since it is doubtful that this is going to happen, however, I hope that all of you budding authors out there continue to share your talents with us. Keep the fan fic coming! I can't get enough of it. We can only hope that Sega doesn't poke their nose into this area like they did the pics. Until that happens, I'm going to be optimistic. Let's also hope that something happens to wake Sega and Archie up. Good goals for 1996, wouldn't you say? :) -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 1 20:40:59 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA22645 for sonic-ll; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:16:39 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA22640 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:16:36 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA05070 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:16:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 20:16:05 -0500 Message-ID: <960101201559_82193381@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: My theory. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Geez! I just keep writing and writing, don't I. Since I wasn't here for the last year, I dont know if you guys figured out the reason for ABC's cancelation of DiC's Sonic episodes. Anyway (I think I used this word 24 times allready. Anyone got a replacement?) I have an interesting theory that I worked out, and at the same time disproved, and then proved. Since this list opened up way before the cancelation of the episodes, somebody migh have found it and noticed that the main Audience for the show would be us, and not 8-12 year olds. Besides, 8-12 year olds might have trouble understanding the circuimstances of the story. We, on the other hand, do. ABC was probably getting low ratings on the show, since the kids, weren't that much into it, and we were either in an inconvenient time to watch it, or were worrying for our reputation too much to watch it in public. Then why didn't ABC move the show to a more convenient time for us? Maybe they didn't have enough money. This is my theory, and I ran out of things to write. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 00:13:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA05155 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:02:12 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA05150 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:02:07 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA29877 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:02:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:02:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199601020602.XAA29877@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Remember Me? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Remember Nomad? I was on for a few months a while ago before my friend de-subscribed. I have counted the moments and finally I'm back. I want to know something......what is going on here? I left for a few months and come back to new ?faces? and about fifty new things. Oh, did anyone get my parting message? Think way back....oh well. I have some news, I am working on a Sonic story and hope to give it to Bookshire after it goes through another fifty revitions. (I am a perfectionist...and the story just seems to get better and better) It's nice to be back again... Tarl Sorry, no quotes. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 00:28:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA05438 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:22:15 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA05433 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:22:09 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA29893 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:22:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:22:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199601020622.XAA29893@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Questions not awnsered To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Nomad again, I never did get the awnsers to the questions I asked in a letter before my temperary removal from here. So here they are: How old are you people? (no offence intended) [I'm 17] And no one gave me a straight awnser to this next question: Would anyone like to see a PENCIL AND PAPER RPG game for Sonic? The computer game that just popped up in the works while I was gone is great, but what about a one of these? Once again, thanks, Tarl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 01:14:47 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA08149 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:56:12 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA08144 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:56:09 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00117; Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:56:06 MST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:56:06 MST Message-Id: <9601020556.AA00117@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > >Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively hates >Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC episodes, Snively and >Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite alot? I can't think of any >examples, but I do know that somehow. If you have seen Blast to the Past, you may might notice that Snively once called him Uncle Julian. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 01:25:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA08198 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:59:46 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA08193 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:59:43 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00564; Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:59:35 MST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:59:35 MST Message-Id: <9601020559.AA00564@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Hi Dan! (I mean Drazen.) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > >Hi Dan (Drazen)! I finaly got to hear from you! >Thanks for giving such a nice reply to my questions on Mobius Idiots :') . > >I have a question. In Bloodlines, did Bunny kiss Sandy because she was a >le___an, or because they were like a same person, going through the same >childhood pains, and getting ripped in two was a very devastating thing (kind >of like a good-bye to myself kiss)? >I am hoping that the last one was it, and that whoever read it and thought it >was the first one, would think again. I believe the answer is your second responce - both girls are going through the same problems - being partially roboticized and will eventually be sudduced by the "Roboticization Syndrome", the illness where your flesh becomes contaminated by your mechanical parts. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 01:28:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA08640 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 01:24:26 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA08629 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 01:24:18 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id RAA20901 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:23:56 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA07003; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:21:01 +1100 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:21:01 +1100 Message-Id: <199601020221.NAA07003@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-reply-to: MDmitry@aol.com's message of 2 Jan 1996 11:19:48 +1100 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively References: <960101174047_28997187@mail06.mail.aol.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dmitry, > Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively > hates Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC > episodes, Snively and Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite > alot? If anyone starts that old Usenet standard, ''are A and B gay?'', I'll SCREAM. -- Chris,, :) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 01:33:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA08349 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 01:03:37 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA08344 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 01:03:34 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01255; Mon, 1 Jan 96 23:03:32 MST Date: Mon, 1 Jan 96 23:03:32 MST Message-Id: <9601020603.AA01255@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: My theory. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Since I wasn't here for the last year, I dont know if you guys figured out >the reason for ABC's cancelation of DiC's Sonic episodes. Anyway (I think I >used this word 24 times allready. Anyone got a replacement?) I have an >interesting theory that I worked out, and at the same time disproved, and >then proved. Check the Sonic FAQ Sheet in my web page. There are currently three theories listed. >Since this list opened up way before the cancelation of the episodes, >somebody migh have found it and noticed that the main Audience for the show >would be us, and not 8-12 year olds. Besides, 8-12 year olds might have >trouble understanding the circuimstances of the story. We, on the other hand, >do. ABC was probably getting low ratings on the show, since the kids, weren't >that much into it, and we were either in an inconvenient time to watch it, or >were worrying for our reputation too much to watch it in public. Then why >didn't ABC move the show to a more convenient time for us? Maybe they didn't >have enough money. > >This is my theory, and I ran out of things to write. That is a very good theory. BTW. Dan, if you're reading this, maybe you can add this one. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 05:17:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id EAA19783 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 04:58:42 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id EAA19778 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 04:58:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 04:58:40 -0500 Received: from ip204.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa20074; 2 Jan 96 4:57 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Re: My theory. Message-ID: <9601020457.aa20074@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Since this list opened up way before the cancelation of the episodes, >somebody migh have found it and noticed that the main Audience for the show >would be us, and not 8-12 year olds. I think it may be possible, but I have to disagree with you here. Up until very recently, the Internet was perceived as some kind of limbo where computer junkies and sexual perverts hung out. It hasn't been until very recently that people have realized that the Internet can also be a great doorway to new markets and world-wide access to increased revenues. I'm not sure Dic or Sega could've cared less about what the few of us thought. Their loss. -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 09:12:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA02461 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:10:02 -0500 Received: from IndyNet.indy.net (root@indynet.indy.net [199.3.65.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id JAA02446 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:09:58 -0500 Received: from indy1.indy.net (mikerich@indy1.indy.net [199.3.65.5]) by IndyNet.indy.net with ESMTP id JAA15551 (8.6.12/IDA-1.6 for ); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:07:38 -0500 From: Michael Richardson Received: by indy1.indy.net (8.6.12/Damon-0.1) id JAA18802; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:08:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199601021408.JAA18802@indy1.indy.net> Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:08:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601020622.XAA29893@hp9000.eita8net.com> from "hoch@eita8net.com" at Jan 1, 96 11:22:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 238 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Tarl, I think a pencil and paper RPG game would be a good idea! I'm new to this group and I had not heard of a computer game for Sonic. If one exists could you tell me where I could get a copy. Thanx, Ian From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 09:28:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA02589 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:12:45 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA02584 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:12:43 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25613 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:12:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: <960102091210_82434911@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dear Mighty: I have just returned from my vacation to find your lengthy response to my simple request. Unfortunately you have decided to go full force into an area without being on the inside. If you were on the inside, you'd know that the owners really ARE very stirct when it comes to time spent on the phone. I can't change facts and I don't make the rules and beyond that, I can't spend a lot of time with a lengthy response. That's just the way it is. In fact, you will find that is the case with most businesses out in the world. Ask your parents-- I'm sure they'll tell you that bosses limit phone time. I'm sorry if you are upset, but perhaps one day you will be in a similar situation and understand. Once you're on the inside, you realize that the concept of "big mean companies" who "don't care" about the fans and are involved in all these "conspiracies" really is an exxageration. I know-- I was on the outside once and now I'm in. Regardless of this episode, I hope you continue to get enjoyment out of our comics and I wish you a prosperous new year... Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 11:14:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA10720 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:10:01 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA10709 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:09:59 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA14710; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:09:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively In-Reply-To: <199601020221.NAA07003@brushtail.hna.com.au> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 2 Jan 1996 list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au wrote: > Dmitry, > > Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively > > hates Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC > > episodes, Snively and Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite > > alot? > > If anyone starts that old Usenet standard, ''are A and B gay?'', > I'll SCREAM. I think I would too. I've heard so much about the homosexuality issues that I no longer want to hear anything about them, pro, con, or otherwise. Enough already! Let's not have this on the Sonic list. We all know it would degenerate into a flamewar that will accomplish nothing but waste of bandwidth. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 11:57:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA11888 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:41:50 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA11876 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:41:36 -0500 Received: from p7-ts4.en.net (p7-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.7]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA04446 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:52:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:52:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601021652.LAA04446@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Dear Mighty: > >I have just returned from my vacation to find your lengthy response to my >simple request. Unfortunately you have decided to go full force into an area >without being on the inside. If you were on the inside, you'd know that the >owners really ARE very stirct when it comes to time spent on the phone. I >can't change facts and I don't make the rules and beyond that, I can't spend >a lot of time with a lengthy response. That's just the way it is. In fact, >you will find that is the case with most businesses out in the world. Ask >your parents-- I'm sure they'll tell you that bosses limit phone time. I'm >sorry if you are upset, but perhaps one day you will be in a similar >situation and understand. Once you're on the inside, you realize that the >concept of "big mean companies" who "don't care" about the fans and are >involved in all these "conspiracies" really is an exxageration. I know-- I >was on the outside once and now I'm in. > >Regardless of this episode, I hope you continue to get enjoyment out of our >comics and I wish you a prosperous new year... > >Best regards, > >Paul Castiglia >ARCHIE COMICS It's alight, I'm over it now. It just seems that smaller companies have more "leniance" on certain things...it doesn't really bother me, but it could be something that makes Archie stronger. Well, no hard feelings, and Happy New Year anyways! :) ------------------------------------------- | Mighty IS Doug LoConti | "you wage wars;| | "mighty@en.com" | our crime? | | | -curiousity" | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 12:30:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA15581 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:17:21 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA15576 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:17:19 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00705 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:16:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: <960102121647_29607126@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug (I forgot you were Mighty!): It probably would make Archie stronger-- and if we had more manpower, perhaps there would be someone available to fill this need. But until then-- no hard feelings on this end, either! Best, Paul From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 12:41:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA15660 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:21:50 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA15655 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:21:48 -0500 Received: from p7-ts4.en.net (p7-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.7]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA22611 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:33:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:33:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601021733.MAA22611@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: (C)(TM)(R) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >In a message dated 95-12-30 11:41:11 EST, you write: > >>Oh yeah? What language ya makin' it in? I can program some, and I can=20 >>do jammin' MODS! Let's get EVERYBODY in on this one! for the PC, I= assume? >> >> > >I assume that this Fanzine Sonic Game (Pending SEGA approval of us using >Sonic charas, and I hope they will, or I would get . . . ) will be for the >IBM, but it's not from just me. Several people that are on this Mailing= List >are teaming up on creating it. I'm just one of the graphic designers for= the >job. I won't tell everyone too much about it, just enough to get your= hopes >up for another Sonic Fix, and believe me, we *need* one! > Yes, we do... that's why I'm so commited to making this thing work....which I hope it does, for I'd be upset if it fell through. We've taken a lot of crap from Sega about a new game, (I have inside sources,) and they keep on raising the platform. It seems, once again, Sega's primary interest is the money, and the games and their quality comes second. I am more interested in giving people what they want at any cost, (hence, my $40.00 call to Africa yesterday). It is important to me and to many other people that this game is a success, and I plan to go to the far ends of the Earth, (litteraly ) if the need be. =20 "Who wants skin, who wants fur? =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- You can have this corrupt world and your lovely skin, =20 I'll take my care-free world and suffer a few minor blemishes"=20 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 13:05:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA16388 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:43:34 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA16383 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:43:32 -0500 Received: from p7-ts4.en.net (p7-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.7]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA00962 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:54:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:54:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601021754.MAA00962@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Doug (I forgot you were Mighty!): > >It probably would make Archie stronger-- and if we had more manpower,= perhaps >there would be someone available to fill this need. But until then-- no= hard >feelings on this end, either! Cool. Hey, BTW, how do I get back issues again? For some reason, (I'm subscribed,) I never got November's issue. =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 13:20:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA18970 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:59:19 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA18956 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:59:13 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA30650 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:59:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:59:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199601021859.LAA30650@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Michael, The other people on the mailing list seem to be talking about some sort of computer game in the works. I don't know if it is RPG, but still, it sound good. Now all that has to happen is for the others to reply. Thanks, Tarl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 14:13:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA20407 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:41:06 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA20402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:41:02 -0500 Received: from p7-ts4.en.net (l3-19.en.net [204.89.181.179]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA26648 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:52:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:52:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601021852.NAA26648@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Michael, > The other people on the mailing list seem to be talking about=20 >some sort of computer game in the works. I don't know if it is RPG, but= still,=20 >it sound good. >Now all that has to happen is for the others to reply. Tarl, we are in the works of a platform game like no other. It will (hopefully) run smoothly on a 486DX, (it WILL run on a 386, but it may be a bit "choppy", :)) and wonderfully on higher systems, (ie the Penium). As stated before, it will be written in Pascal. The plot is still unknown, but it IS known that there will be all the freedom fighters from the Saturday morning show in this game. We probably won't be able to include outside chatacthers, (ones you guys made up,) although there may be a few secrets, (play as Uncle Chuck? Hm...) The sound system, (from what I gather,) will be like none other. Well, write me personally if you have any other= questions. =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 16:07:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA01193 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:52:57 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA01149 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:52:52 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA22100 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:52:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:52:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960102155218_104563490@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug: At this point, if you know the issue # of the comic you're missing, you may want to keep an eye out for it in the comics themselves. From time to time we run ads where you can order back issues. It should turn up in there within the next few months. Best, Paul From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 17:46:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA04298 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:49:20 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA04289 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:49:16 -0500 Received: from hp-16.cae.wisc.edu (firmiss@hp-16.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.47]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA01268 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:49:12 -0600 From: James Firmiss Received: (from firmiss@localhost) by hp-16.cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail/CAE1.0) id PAA06206 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:49:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601022149.PAA06206@hp-16.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic Game Project stuff To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 15:49:11 CST In-Reply-To: <199601021852.NAA26648@en.com>; from "Doug LoConti" at Jan 2, 96 1:52 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I see all these posts about a sonic game which people on this list seem to be working on but has anyone here heard of a Sonic game (maybe a port of an existing sonic game) being brought to the PC Game market? I remember seeing an ad at 'Best Buy' (A chain of discount home electronics stores) for getting a Sonic PC game (when the game is released) with the purchase of a specific computer system. Anyone else see this? Anyone have any more info on this (i.e. will it be a port of an existing Sonic game or a new game entirely). From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 18:10:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA08603 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:52:24 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA08597 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:52:20 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01089 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:51:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: <960102175147_82671818@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: What about the war? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Doug LoConti wrote: >>This message might offend some people, so, if it offends >>you, I am sorry in advance. >> >>Anyway, here it goes: and all that junk... >You have a good point....but, for it to be heard, you should write >"DIC" and tell them! It's not DiC I am worried about. By the way, What's their address? (E-mail) I want to make some compliments on their art, and some complaints on their allowing of the cancelation. of the episodes. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 18:49:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA11346 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:36:17 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA11339 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:36:12 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA15704 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:35:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <960102183540_29952305@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re-Re: Sonic Game Project stuff Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-02 17:49:05 EST, James Firmiss wrote: >I see all these posts about a sonic game which people on this list >seem to be working on but has anyone here heard of a Sonic game >(maybe >a port of an existing sonic game) being brought to the PC Game >market? > >I remember seeing an ad at 'Best Buy' (A chain of discount home >electronics stores) for getting a Sonic PC game (when the game >is >released) with the purchase of a specific computer system. > >Anyone else see this? Anyone have any more info on this (i.e. will >it be a port of an existing Sonic game or a new game entirely). I have seen something like this on Gamer's Review, in Canada. The short commercial had Sonic fighting a boss from S&K videogame (the prison egg that kills itself), but heaven't heard of that since. SEGA seems to deny that too. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 19:03:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA11364 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:36:30 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA11359 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:36:27 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA19647 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:35:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:35:55 -0500 Message-ID: <960102183524_29952046@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Explaining on S & R. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net on (some time today) Erich Schulman wrote: >> Dmitry, >> > Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively >> > hates Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC >> > episodes, Snively and Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite >> > alot? >> >> If anyone starts that old Usenet standard, ''are A and B gay?'', >> I'll SCREAM. > >I think I would too. I've heard so much about the homosexuality issues >that I no longer want to hear anything about them, pro, con, or >otherwise. Enough already! I don't mean gay! Geez! What's wrong with you?! What I mean is, the way Robotnik likes to have Snively around to yell at, but never hurts, or robotisizes him. And the way Snively grumbles at Robotbik, but, even though he has a very good chance to kill him in every episode (that involved Robotnik), he just sucks up to him. I just thought of an example: In Spyhog, Robotnik is very angry when he finds out that he has a spy. But when he sees Snively playing around with his chair, he doesn't even lift a muscle at him (Just tells him to shut up, and stuffs a mask on his mouth). I hope this will clear things up. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 19:26:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA13211 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:51:54 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA13167 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:51:48 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA23581 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:51:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:51:16 -0500 Message-ID: <960102185116_104744151@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: PASCALL?! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I could have sworn I heard someone say that the StH game will be made in Pascall. I thought that the best graphics and SFX could only be produced with Assembly! How come you guy are using Pascall? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 19:39:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA14587 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:09:01 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA14582 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:08:57 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA31119 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:09:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:09:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199601030109.SAA31119@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Ok, let me have another try at this To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net After traveling many an electric mile, I finally reach the mailing list after countless screw ups. I don't know how many recieved my messages at the other adress or here but I'll summerize what I have said. I am Nomad, I don't know if anyone remembers me, but I was here before. I want to know if anyone wants a Pencil and Paper RPG. Some have replied and I am thankful. I ask because I created one a while back and it was pretty good. (no offence to those being made or already made) If anyone has one made, I would like to have a look. I have a story in the works which I told Bookshire about (I don't know if you remember) and I hope it will be finished soon. Thanks, Tarl (aka:Nomad) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 19:41:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA14161 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:54:00 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA14056 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:52:52 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08926 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:52:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <960102185219_104745169@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Message for David Pistone. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This message is mostly about negotiating, requests, and all that kind of stuff. You may want to skipp it. Hi David. I sent a message three times to you, and either you didn't get it, or you just ignored it. Just to make sure that you do get it, I am sendig it to the list (Please don't kick me off for this :') ) Beginning of message: Hello David Pistone (Fellow SONIC fan, right?)! I heard that you have recorded all of the Sonic the Hedgehog saturday version cartoons (I hate to use that word), and are willing to mail a copy for about ten dollars. I am willing to send fifteen dollars just to get a copy (I really miss them, and I also need a lot of pictures for the chess pieces that I am making). Please send me your reply, and address. My address is: Dmitry Murashchik 12219 Greenleaf Ave. Potomac, MD 20854 Ending of message. "I am waiting" + (for your reply), and please don't make meoffer more money, because if you don't agree to this, I will "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 19:50:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA15212 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:30:08 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA15207 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:30:06 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA07625 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:29:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: <960102192933_104781537@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I would love a copy! BTW, I'm 13, but you can see me as my character, 18! (I act that way at least!) ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 19:59:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA15079 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:24:32 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA15074 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:24:29 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA21828 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:23:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: <960102192356_104776069@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Critique: "Southern Crossover" Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net A note from Tails's fraternal twin sister: TWO TAILED FOXES *RULE*!! ::whips red double brush in air and speeds off:: She takes after me, being my sidekick and all... Hey! That's weird! Bro has a two-tailed s-k, and so do I! AGH! Hey, David! What you said of Relitveships? I THINK IT ROCKS!!! (hope my logo is fixed...) ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 20:02:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA15288 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:32:43 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA15283 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:32:40 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA21858 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:32:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <960102193208_104784270@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ha! HEY DAVE!!!!!:waves to get fox's attention: ....you and Snerdy are kissin' fist cousins!.... >giggle< ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 20:08:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA15610 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:40:58 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA15605 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:40:53 -0500 Received: from anx_43.global.co.za (anx_43.global.co.za [196.3.164.93]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA02807 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 02:32:58 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 02:32:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199601030032.CAA02807@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Re: PASCALL?! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I could have sworn I heard someone say that the StH game will be made in >Pascall. I thought that the best graphics and SFX could only be produced= with >Assembly! How come you guy are using Pascall? But the life long question.. Pascal will be used for memory allocation/control routines, while assembly for the DigtalPlayer/paralax FX and sprite routines. I know.. I just wrote about 300lines of asm..=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | What was and what will| | O o o O o O o O O O o | be.. are never mine to| |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | grasp or see. = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Jonathan Righter = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 21:47:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22348 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:13:05 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22343 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:13:01 -0500 Received: from p28-ts4.en.net (p28-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.28]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA19050 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:24:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:24:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601030224.VAA19050@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: PASCALL?! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I could have sworn I heard someone say that the StH game will be made in >Pascall. I thought that the best graphics and SFX could only be produced= with >Assembly! How come you guy are using Pascall? Hey, ya use what ya know, ya know? :) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 22:40:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA25633 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:07:42 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA25628 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:07:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:07:40 -0500 Received: from ip184.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id ab28943; 2 Jan 96 22:06 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Just testing..... Message-ID: <9601022206.ab28943@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I'm just checking to see if anything I post is actually making it to the list. I am having MAJOR problems with Eudora. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 22:46:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA25814 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:11:18 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA25809 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:11:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:11:15 -0500 Received: from ip184.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa00530; 2 Jan 96 22:10 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Just testing..... Message-ID: <9601022210.aa00530@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I'm just testing to see if anything that I post is actually making to the list. I am having MAJOR problems with Eudora. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 22:50:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA25479 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:01:46 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA25470 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:01:43 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA01714; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:01:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:01:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: What about the war? In-Reply-To: <960102175147_82671818@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 2 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > It's not DiC I am worried about. > > By the way, What's their address? (E-mail) I want to make some compliments on > their art, and some complaints on their allowing of the cancelation. of the > episodes. As far as I know of, DiC does not have a e-mail address. You will find their regular mailing address in the faq-dd.txt file. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 23:01:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA26125 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:19:07 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA26106 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:19:01 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA31523 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:18:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:18:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199601030418.VAA31523@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Anyone else want an RPG? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Suni said, > I would love a copy! > BTW, I'm 13, but you can see me as my character, 18! > (I act that way at least!) If this is about the RPG, sure, just let me find it. Anyone else want me to give them a copy? The wanderer of the Great Unknown, NOMAD (Tarl) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 23:20:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA29139 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:50:56 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA29133 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:50:51 -0500 Received: from p28-ts4.en.net (l2-2.en.net [204.89.181.192]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA25938 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:02:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:02:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601030402.XAA25938@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Just testing..... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I'm just checking to see if anything I post is actually making it to the >list. I am having MAJOR problems with Eudora.=20 Well, it works! :) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 2 23:54:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA29808 for sonic-ll; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:17:45 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA29803 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:17:40 -0500 Received: from p28-ts4.en.net (l2-2.en.net [204.89.181.192]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA27776 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:29:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:29:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601030429.XAA27776@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Anyone else want an RPG? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Suni said, > >> I would love a copy! > >> BTW, I'm 13, but you can see me as my character, 18!=20 >> (I act that way at least!) > > If this is about the RPG, sure, just let me find it. Anyone else want me= =20 >to give them a copy? > > The wanderer of the Great Unknown, > NOMAD > > (Tarl) > I'll take a copy! :) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 01:28:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA06760 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 01:25:44 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA06755 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 01:25:39 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA31725 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:25:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:25:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199601030725.AAA31725@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Nomad's RPG To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ok, two people want a copy of my pencil and paper RPG? Do I hear three...four...? I have found it and am just looking over it and making a few adjustments, I should be done soon. So, anyone else? Tarl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 06:58:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA22015 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:44:00 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA22010 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:43:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:43:57 -0500 Received: from ip209.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa00196; 3 Jan 96 6:43 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Re: Anyone else want an RPG? Message-ID: <9601030643.aa00196@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > If this is about the RPG, sure, just let me find it. Anyone else want me >to give them a copy? Sounds great, Nomad. I'd like one. -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 08:57:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA28308 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:41:09 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA28303 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:41:05 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09333; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:41:04 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA06044; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:41:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199601031341.IAA06044@edmund> Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:41:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601020622.XAA29893@hp9000.eita8net.com> from "hoch@eita8net.com" at Jan 1, 96 11:22:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Nomad again, > I never did get the awnsers to the questions I asked in a letter > before my temperary removal from here. So here they are: > How old are you people? (no offence intended) [I'm 17] I turned 44 last week; I'm pretty sure that qualifies me as the Old Man on this list. > And no one gave me a straight awnser to this next question: > > Would anyone like to see a PENCIL AND PAPER RPG game for Sonic? The > computer game that just popped up in the works while I was gone is great, but > what about a one of these? I wouldn't mind, but it better not be as complicated as D&D which, as someone put it, "requires nonstop mathematical finagling that would constipate Einstein." ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 09:09:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA29596 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:49:56 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA29591 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:49:53 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09575; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:49:52 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA06820; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:49:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199601031349.IAA06820@edmund> Subject: Re: My theory. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:49:48 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960101201559_82193381@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 1, 96 08:16:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Geez! I just keep writing and writing, don't I. > > Since I wasn't here for the last year, I dont know if you guys figured out > the reason for ABC's cancelation of DiC's Sonic episodes. Anyway (I think I > used this word 24 times allready. Anyone got a replacement?) I have an > interesting theory that I worked out, and at the same time disproved, and > then proved. > > Since this list opened up way before the cancelation of the episodes, > somebody migh have found it and noticed that the main Audience for the show > would be us, and not 8-12 year olds. Besides, 8-12 year olds might have > trouble understanding the circuimstances of the story. We, on the other hand, > do. ABC was probably getting low ratings on the show, since the kids, weren't > that much into it, and we were either in an inconvenient time to watch it, or > were worrying for our reputation too much to watch it in public. Then why > didn't ABC move the show to a more convenient time for us? Maybe they didn't > have enough money. > > This is my theory, and I ran out of things to write. > Dmitry: First off, welcome to the list (if nobody has officially done so). As to your theory, you're pretty much on the money. Sonic's ratings during the second season weren't good enough because it had the misfortune of being up against Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers on Fox in the same time slot. At the time, MMPR was at the height of its popularity. ABC tried moving Sonic 1/2 hour earlier after the November sweeps, but Fox countered by shifting its schedule so that by the time of the February sweeps, Sonic was opposite MMPR again! And I guess in Saturday morning kidvid, it's two atrikes and you're out. I honestly believe that both ABC and Archie Comics are clueless as to the degree of crossover for Sonic. They must think that the game-players are the core audience and leave it at that, not realizing the level of sophistication of some of the fans. Oh, well.... ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 09:15:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA01049 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:02:07 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA01044 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:02:04 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09800; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:02:04 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id JAA07497; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:02:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199601031402.JAA07497@edmund> Subject: Re: Hi Dan! (I mean Drazen.) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:01:59 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960101180656_82124570@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 1, 96 06:06:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Hi Dan (Drazen)! I finaly got to hear from you! > Thanks for giving such a nice reply to my questions on Mobius Idiots :') . > You're welcome. > I have a question. In Bloodlines, did Bunny kiss Sandy because she was a > le___an, or because they were like a same person, going through the same > childhood pains, and getting ripped in two was a very devastating thing (kind > of like a good-bye to myself kiss)? > I am hoping that the last one was it, and that whoever read it and thought it > was the first one, would think again. > I hadn't planned it one way or another. As I've explained before: when it came time to write the last scene of "Bloodlines" I tried writing it with Sally, Sandy, Bunnie and Sonic but it just didn't work. Then I tried thinking about it with just Bunnie and Sandy. The mental image came to me of Bunnie planting one on Sandy; nobody was more shocked than I was! But I saw no reason to leave it out. BTW, you're the first one to advance the notion of shared affliction leading to affection. I've since been reminded of a quotation from C. S. Lewis on other literary incidents of alleged homosexuality: "Hrothgar embracing Beowulf, Boswell embracing Johnson...and all those hairy old toughs from Tacitus begging for one last kiss before the regiment is broken up. All pansies? If you believe that, you can believe anything!" > By the way, I've noticed something in your whatchamucallit: > > ================================================================ > || ___------__ || > || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen > || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu > || //\ / \ /__ || > || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic > || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files > || (@@ __/ / /_ || > || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee > ================================================================ > > The top three lines are off by one space to the left. > Just a friendly note :'). > So noted, but I'm not about to correct it now. For signature, see above. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 10:47:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA05545 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:15:35 -0500 Received: from IndyNet.indy.net (root@indynet.indy.net [199.3.65.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id KAA05540 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:15:33 -0500 Received: from indy2.indy.net (mikerich@indy2.indy.net [199.3.65.7]) by IndyNet.indy.net with ESMTP id KAA03102 (8.6.12/IDA-1.6 for ); Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:14:19 -0500 From: Michael Richardson Received: by indy2.indy.net (8.6.12/Damon-0.1) id KAA18727; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:12:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199601031512.KAA18727@indy2.indy.net> Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:12:48 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601030725.AAA31725@hp9000.eita8net.com> from "hoch@eita8net.com" at Jan 3, 96 00:25:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 108 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net ME! ME! ME! I'll take a copy! By the way Tarl my name is Ian, not Michael (I'm using my dad's connection)! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 11:28:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA06351 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:42:51 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA06340 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:42:48 -0500 Received: from p23-ts5.en.net (p23-ts5.en.net [206.148.86.23]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA08514 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:54:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:54:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601031554.KAA08514@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > >I wouldn't mind, but it better not be as complicated as D&D which, as >someone put it, "requires nonstop mathematical finagling that would >constipate Einstein." Actually, I don't think D&D is that hard! :) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 14:26:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA21170 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:06:19 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA21163 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:06:13 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02595; Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:05:57 MST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 12:05:57 MST Message-Id: <9601031905.AA02595@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic Game Project stuff Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I see all these posts about a sonic game which people on this list >seem to be working on but has anyone here heard of a Sonic game (maybe >a port of an existing sonic game) being brought to the PC Game market? > >I remember seeing an ad at 'Best Buy' (A chain of discount home >electronics stores) for getting a Sonic PC game (when the game is >released) with the purchase of a specific computer system. > >Anyone else see this? Anyone have any more info on this (i.e. will >it be a port of an existing Sonic game or a new game entirely). Well, not exactly. I did hear Sega was going to make a PC version of the Sonic CD. It wont be too long before it is released. Check the Sega Web Page for more details. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 14:41:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA22679 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:39:50 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA22674 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:39:47 -0500 Received: from dial-25.en.net (dial-31.en.net [204.89.181.231]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA27871 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601031951.OAA27871@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Twisted mettle site Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net For those of you that haven't heard about the new game in development, visit it's site at http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 16:35:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA29502 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:11:51 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA29496 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:11:48 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA05916 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:11:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:11:17 -0500 Message-ID: <960103161116_83201779@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Ok, two people want a copy of my pencil and paper RPG? Do I hear >three...four...? I have found it and am just looking over it and >making a few adjustments, I should be done soon. > So, anyone else? I would like one ! "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 16:48:40 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA29527 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:12:07 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA29510 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:12:04 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA09074 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:11:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:11:27 -0500 Message-ID: <960103161124_83201870@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: StH Tapes. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-03 00:11:45 EST, David Pistone (Bookshire Draftwood) wrote: >I offer my apology. Apology excepted :') >I'm exceptionally pre-occupied these days, and making a >full copy of both seasons episodes is a very tough thing for me to >do. However, I'll keep your address on file here on my system, and, >if I manage to get the time together, I'll make the copies...no >guarantees, I'll have to see what I can do...the fee will still be >$10. I understand. Your reply is good enough for me. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 17:09:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA02551 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:50:04 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA02445 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:49:57 -0500 From: DRED13@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29771 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:49:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:49:22 -0500 Message-ID: <960103164922_105512844@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I MIGHT be good for the art stuff.......... ........ BUT ONE SQUARE INCH???? That's only about THIS big..... _______ I I I I I_______I ssssssssssssmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaallllllllllllllll........ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 17:21:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA03405 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:03:18 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA03399 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:03:15 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA28252 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:02:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:02:44 -0500 Message-ID: <960103170243_30851136@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: My age. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Someone was asking, and I am 17. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 17:33:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA03538 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:06:29 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA03533 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:06:22 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA23780 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:06:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:05:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960103170526.24b0@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: StH Tapes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: MDmitry@aol.com >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:11:27 -0500 >On 96-01-03 00:11:45 EST, David Pistone (Bookshire Draftwood) wrote: >>I'm exceptionally pre-occupied these days, and making a >>full copy of both seasons episodes is a very tough thing for me to do. >>However, I'll keep your address on file here on my system, and, if I manage >>to get the time together, I'll make the copies...no guarantees, I'll have to >>see what I can do...the fee will still be $10. >I understand. Your reply is good enough for me. Not to steal David's business or anything :^), and at the risk of being masochistic, but I have both seasons (except for the lame Robecca/Odd Couple episode) on two EP-speed VHS tapes, commercials are included. I'm willing to copy them for $10 postpaid (Canada/foreign will need more for shipping). If interested, e-mail me for my address (I don't think I'll just give it out her in case Sega/DIC is listening :^)) I should be able to get the tapes mailed two Saturdays after receiving the money, unless I get two dozen requests at once (and if I _do_ get that many, I may have to do what I did with my Muppet tapes: copy my originals to another set and duplicate _them_ to save my originals from wear and tear). RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 17:34:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA03997 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:20:09 -0500 Received: from nic.data.net.mx (nic.data.net.mx [200.13.16.8]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id RAA03990 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:20:04 -0500 Received: from ts63.data.net.mx (ts63.data.net.mx [200.13.16.102]) by nic.data.net.mx (8.6.12/CN-CONFIG-0.3) with SMTP id QAA05697 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:19:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:19:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199601032219.QAA05697@nic.data.net.mx> X-Sender: alexmon1@mailer.data.net.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Subject: Re: Twisted mettle site Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >For those of you that haven't heard about the new game in development,= visit >it's site at http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html Hey Mighty! I can make the characters poses! I know drawing..at the moment Im learning to anime characters on Visual..Do you think that might help? Or if not I know Pascal but I never learned how to make animation.they didnt taught me how to do that...awww.If not I can help just drawing characters,even I have good ideas for new bosses and new foes.Im learning to programm in Clipper but that won=B4t help. Bye..I hope that helps. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 17:38:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA03125 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:53:48 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA03120 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:53:46 -0500 From: DRED13@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01778 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:53:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: <960103165313_105515936@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net To Nomad and anyone else who does or does not care, I, DRED13, am 16 years old. I WOULD like to have a pencil and paper RPG, but I am already caught up in one somewhere else. About this Sonic computer game...... is EVERYONE SURE that you can do it? You need someone who knows the C+ and C++ languages in order to do this stuff. " If it ain't blue..... it's BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " DRED13 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I / I I \ I I DRED13 DRED13 I I MATT B MATT B I I BLACK BLOOD I \ / \ // \\ / \ // \\ / I I I I I___I___I___I___I___I_ I And if anyone else cares, I've drawn some Sonic pictures, and I'm workin' on Chrono Trigger drawings. I've sent some to Mighty and Sonia already. You want 'em, E-MAIL me..... From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 18:48:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA07700 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:09:21 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA07688 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:09:12 -0500 Received: from anx_8.global.co.za (anx_8.global.co.za [196.3.164.58]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA00685 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:01:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:01:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199601032301.BAA00685@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > You need someone who knows the C+ and C++ languages in order to do this >stuff. *screams* They said a raycaster could never be done in pascal.. I did it.. I did a modplayer in Pascal(Full pascal *NO* Assembly. And am doing my mixer-prog in ASM.. but I still use pascal too.. and I find no limits..=20 Language doesn't matter.. it's the final code! Cheers *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = |=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 19:03:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA08730 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:42:51 -0500 Received: from nic.data.net.mx (nic.data.net.mx [200.13.16.8]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id SAA08724 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:42:48 -0500 Received: from ts63.data.net.mx (ts55.data.net.mx [200.13.16.94]) by nic.data.net.mx (8.6.12/CN-CONFIG-0.3) with SMTP id RAA06640 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:41:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:41:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199601032341.RAA06640@nic.data.net.mx> X-Sender: alexmon1@mailer.data.net.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Subject: Bye friends... see you next connection! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi there and bye ..see you on six months.I was very happy in know you all, my good friends I really will miss you all this time.At the moment Im looking for a new internet company cheaper than this one that I have to can log in again but at the moment I will say goodbye and it s the end of my email.I will be back with another name and a different company I promisse! Bye !Don=B4t sedn anything to my email because the messages will be rejected ,send it to the lists and If I can read it I will be lucky.Today is my last day and I will desuscribe today from the Soniclists.Bye until next time!I love you all Sonicfans *hug*! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 19:54:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA12472 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:36:58 -0500 Received: from IndyNet.indy.net (root@indynet.indy.net [199.3.65.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id TAA12465 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:36:56 -0500 Received: from indy1.indy.net (mikerich@indy1.indy.net [199.3.65.5]) by IndyNet.indy.net with ESMTP id TAA06336 (8.6.12/IDA-1.6 for ); Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:35:37 -0500 From: Michael Richardson Received: by indy1.indy.net (8.6.12/Damon-0.1) id TAA12325; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:36:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199601040036.TAA12325@indy1.indy.net> Subject: Re: StH Tapes To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:36:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960103170526.24b0@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at Jan 3, 96 05:05:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 164 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ok! Let me get this right. I give you $10. You give me two tapes that have all the episodes from the Saturday morning cartoon, except 1. That's cool! Ian From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 22:26:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA20198 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:43:48 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA20193 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:43:43 -0500 Received: from p4-ts4.en.net (p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA02993 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:55:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:55:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601040255.VAA02993@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: My age. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Someone was asking, and I am 17. > me too.... sweet. ;) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 22:32:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA20165 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:40:47 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA20160 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:40:44 -0500 Received: from p4-ts4.en.net (p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA02749 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:52:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:52:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601040252.VAA02749@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > I MIGHT be good for the art stuff.......... > >........ BUT ONE SQUARE INCH???? > That's how big the characthers are going to be... ;) fine, babies... ...I'll shrink whatever... sheesh! ;) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 22:33:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA22652 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:04:38 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA22646 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:04:27 -0500 Received: from p4-ts4.en.net (p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA04711 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:16:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:16:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601040316.WAA04711@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: StH Tapes Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Ok! Let me get this right. I give you $10. You give me two tapes that=20 >have all the episodes from the Saturday morning cartoon, except 1. That's= =20 >cool! Waitaminute, who's doing this tape thing? I'll fork $10.00 for two tapes! =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 3 22:44:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22491 for sonic-ll; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:56:58 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22486 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:56:52 -0500 Received: from p4-ts4.en.net (p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA04077 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:08:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:08:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601040308.WAA04077@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > You need someone who knows the C+ and C++ languages in order to do this >stuff. Well, we'll make so /w/ assembler & pascal....(they'll work..) heck, I've seen games programmed in BASIC! :) > And if anyone else cares, I've drawn some Sonic pictures, and I'm >workin' on Chrono Trigger drawings. I've sent some to Mighty and Sonia >already. > You want 'em, E-MAIL me..... I'd like some more of that art, if you could send it! :) Send it however you can, PLEASE! :) Thanx... =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 02:42:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA06624 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 02:33:21 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA06614 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 02:33:05 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA02043 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:33:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:33:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199601040833.BAA02043@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Sonic RPG To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net First, I'm 17, 18 in 3 months. Second, I thought sure, a few people will want my RPG, but I wasn't expecting this many. (I will still give it to you here in a day or two, additions and stuff, you know) Third, I am warning you, this RPG is mostly untested and those that played it liked it. (except for a rabbit who thought he could get a power ring and almost drowned because he couldn't swim!) Fourth, this game is simple, alot more than AD&D. And Fifth, I need to know from the runner of this E-mail thing if I can just send parts using this address, or if I have to do it individualy? So, as always, waiting for a reply, Nomad PS: How many of you are out there? (in case more messages for the RPG request come in) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 10:43:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA03597 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:22:57 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA03592 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:22:55 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA14884; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:22:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic RPG In-Reply-To: <199601040833.BAA02043@hp9000.eita8net.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 hoch@eita8net.com wrote: > And Fifth, I need to know from the runner of this E-mail thing if I can > just send parts using this address, or if I have to do it individualy? Files should not be posted to the list. You may upload your files to /incoming at rat.org. If you are not able to upload by ftp, you may mail submissions to rat@rat.org. All submissions are subject to approval. > PS: How many of you are out there? (in case more messages for the RPG > request come in) The Sonic list has 80 subscribers at present, as we approach our first anniversary next month. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 13:23:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA16759 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:04:25 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA16754 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:04:21 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09280; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:04:14 MST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:04:14 MST Message-Id: <9601041804.AA09280@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: My age. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > >>Someone was asking, and I am 17. >> > >me too.... sweet. ;) Just in case you were wondering, I'm 22. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 13:32:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAB15425 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 12:55:33 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA15416 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 12:55:28 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06827; Thu, 4 Jan 96 10:55:26 MST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 10:55:26 MST Message-Id: <9601041755.AA06827@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: My Web Page Down!!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey guys. I was just checking my page for some things, and the page didn't register on Lynx. I went to check everybody's home page here at the Rio Grande Free-Net, and their's were down too. (For a moment there, I thought I was pulled. Thank God this isn't the case. ) I did contact my webmaster of this problem, and we'll see what happens. I do appoligize for any inconvienience any of you may be having. Hopefully, it will be back up soon. I will notify you when it is so. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 14:53:59 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA22141 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:36:53 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA22135 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:36:24 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00552; Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:36:22 MST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 12:36:22 MST Message-Id: <9601041936.AA00552@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Web Page Back On Line Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I just now checked again, and the web page came back. Everything appears to be intact, so I guess I lucked out. Sorry for any inconvienience. To quote Bull Shannon, "You may go back and live happily ever after." -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 18:02:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA06769 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:44:09 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA06764 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:44:04 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03589 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:44:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:44:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199601042344.QAA03589@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: RPGs coming soon To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, now that a massive amount of you want it, I'll be sending it to you individualy....that is unless there is a better way. If there is, please tell me. (I don't know much about e-mail, so talk slowly and in simple terms!) Oh, the RPG isn't that large for those who are scared about it being so. Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 19:12:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA12626 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:55:08 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA12621 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:55:05 -0500 From: BriHilley@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA16231 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:54:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:54:34 -0500 Message-ID: <960104185432_31990253@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: I'm back! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is Brian, with a new e-mail address! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 19:19:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA12478 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:45 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA12473 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:42 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA13321 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:04 -0500 Message-ID: <960104185102_31987209@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: questions not answered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-03 18:50:04 EST, Simon Howes wrote: >Language doesn't matter.. it's the final code! Well said :') ! "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 19:22:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA12492 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:54 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA12486 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:52 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA17870 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:15 -0500 Message-ID: <960104185112_31987347@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-04 10:46:11 EST, Erich Schulman wrote: >The Sonic list has 80 subscribers at present, as we approach our >first anniversary next month. 80 SUBSCRIBERS?! How come I saw only about ten of then? No wait, I can answer that. They are either too busy, can't call at the time, or just don't care. I for one like having a small amount of people on the board. Feels kind of like our own, tiny, Fredom Fighter group, but than, that's who we are :') . (This might look like trash. So, call me trash :') ). "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 19:29:29 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA12529 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:52:15 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA12524 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:52:11 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02562 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:34 -0500 Message-ID: <960104185132_31987642@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Questions not answered Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-03 09:04:38 EST, Dan Drazen wrote: >I turned 44 last week; I'm pretty sure that qualifies me as the Old >Man on this list. Well... Youre where I see myself in about twenty years. (That was a compliment on the fact that, no matter what age you are, you still can be a Sonic fan :') ). P.S. I fixed your menu for you, if you can use it. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 19:40:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA12498 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:58 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA12493 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:56 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA13606 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: <960104185122_31987501@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Twisted Mettle Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I called up this game's home page, and got kind of dissapointed. The first thing that I saw, was (Cool, "saw" spelled backwards!) a sort of a blue-print for a sonic video game level. That blue-print looked like a typical, SEGA made Sonic level. I thought you guys were going to use DiC/Archie style for this game. I mean adding a forrest (Great f.) a dark, poluted, Robotropolis, and that kind of stuff, not just some obstacle course :'( . My friend, who is begging me to make up some excuse to let his dad use AOL for E-mail (That's right, he wants to join), thought up of an idea to use some small missions, and make the plot desighned by the player (loose this level, Robotnik captures somebody. Then either replay the level, or keep playing). I have also thought up of an idea, that you guys might use some 3D scenes, kind of like special level StH 2, but with way better graphics. My friend also sujested that tha player migh use some flying vehicle at least once in a game (in my upcoming story, Sonic knocks off the torso of a Flight-bot, and then uses the hover section to make his getaway ). Hope that picture was a dud, and my ideas help. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 21:23:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA20773 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:57:44 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA20768 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:57:41 -0500 Received: from p16-ts4.en.net (mike23@p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA28874 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:10:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:10:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601050210.VAA28874@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: I'm back! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >This is Brian, with a new e-mail address! sweet! =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 21:30:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22322 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:16:08 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22315 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:15:49 -0500 Received: from p16-ts4.en.net (p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA06089 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:27:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:27:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601050227.VAA06089@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Twisted Mettle Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I called up this game's home page, and got kind of dissapointed. The first >thing that I saw, was (Cool, "saw" spelled backwards!) a sort of a= blue-print >for a sonic video game level. That blue-print looked like a typical, SEGA >made Sonic level. I thought you guys were going to use DiC/Archie style for >this game. I mean adding a forrest (Great f.) a dark, poluted,= Robotropolis, >and that kind of stuff, not just some obstacle course :'( . > >My friend, who is begging me to make up some excuse to let his dad use AOL >for E-mail (That's right, he wants to join), thought up of an idea to use >some small missions, and make the plot desighned by the player (loose this >level, Robotnik captures somebody. Then either replay the level, or keep >playing). I have also thought up of an idea, that you guys might use some= 3D >scenes, kind of like special level StH 2, but with way better graphics. My >friend also sujested that tha player migh use some flying vehicle at least >once in a game (in my upcoming story, Sonic knocks off the torso of a >Flight-bot, and then uses the hover section to make his getaway spoilers>). > >Hope that picture was a dud, and my ideas help. > ;) Dood, that wasn't a picture... that was a scan from something TOTALLY different....the ONLY thing on there right now is specs of what the game will have. That picture means nothing, (although I'm HOPING to get screen shots up within the next few days..) Don't be dissapointed...there's nothing there (as of now..) you'll see....just keep checking it and watch for changes! =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 21:44:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA23017 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:40:24 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA23012 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:40:21 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA23183; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:40:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:40:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to cjb@brushtail.hna.com.au. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 04 Jan 1996 15:15:35 +1100 From: Chris Baird Newgroups: brush.lists.sonic Subject: Re: Questions not awnsered >> You need someone who knows the C+ and C++ languages in order to >> do this stuff. > *screams* They said a raycaster could never be done in pascal.. I > did it.. I did a modplayer in Pascal(Full pascal *NO* Assembly. > And am doing my mixer-prog in ASM.. but I still use pascal > too.. and I find no limits..=20 > Language doesn't matter.. it's the final code! Could people please keep the intends of this list in mind and nix the inappropriate banter.. -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 4 22:29:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA25776 for sonic-ll; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:01:46 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA25771 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:01:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:01:42 -0500 Received: from ip160.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa20591; 4 Jan 96 22:00 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Message-ID: <9601042200.aa20591@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> I MIGHT be good for the art stuff.......... >> >>........ BUT ONE SQUARE INCH???? >> >That's how big the characthers are going to be... ;) fine, babies... >...I'll shrink whatever... sheesh! ;) > Actually, Mighty, I thought that in any form of publishing, be it printed matter or video, things were shot large, and then resized to be about 1/3 to 1/2 as large as the originals. Aside from being much easier to work with, when you resize it, any errors or imperfections are almost impossible to see. Just curious. I haven't had much programming experience beyond some elementary level Pascal, so I could be wrong. -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 06:40:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA24781 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:35:54 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA24776 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:35:52 -0500 Received: from dial-37.en.net (dial-37.en.net [204.89.181.237]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA20856 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:48:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:48:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601051148.GAA20856@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Actually, Mighty, I thought that in any form of publishing, be it printed >matter or video, things were shot large, and then resized to be about 1/3= to >1/2 as large as the originals. Aside from being much easier to work with, >when you resize it, any errors or imperfections are almost impossible to >see. Just curious. I haven't had much programming experience beyond some >elementary level Pascal, so I could be wrong. > >-Matt Yes, you're both right and wrong. It all depends how detailed the final product is. :) If it's a detailed game, such small blemished MAY actually show making for a crappy characther. But, then again, once scanned in, such things are EASILY eddited.=20 =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 06:55:47 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA25296 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:41:43 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA25291 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:41:41 -0500 Received: from dial-37.en.net (dial-37.en.net [204.89.181.237]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA21002 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:54:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:54:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601051154.GAA21002@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Caught up in it all Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net To those whom it may concern: The game Twisted Mettle is a far cry from straying away from the Sonic theme of this list. We are doing something that few if ANY one has ever done: kids, teens, and adults alike, are working on programming an actual game-without seeing one another! Think about it, do you think that Sega's crew are miles apart? This IS monumental, and I think any news about it or upon it, (as long as we don't have TOO many objections,) are valid for this list. After all, we're still dealing with fandom, (I'd hope! Otherwise, we've got some nerds out there that just love to program!) :) so, I think such talk is valid. Any oppinions on this? And if you object, be nice...let's not start a flame war... :) Later! =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Got all these | | =C5.k.=C5 |questions, don't| | Douglas LoConti | know who I can | | "mighty@en.com" | even ask" -PJ | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 08:43:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA01884 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:26:46 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA01879 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:26:43 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19294; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:26:41 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA21361; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:26:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199601051326.IAA21361@edmund> Subject: Active Users To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:26:38 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960104185112_31987347@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 4, 96 06:51:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > On 96-01-04 10:46:11 EST, Erich Schulman wrote: > > >The Sonic list has 80 subscribers at present, as we approach our >first > anniversary next month. > > 80 SUBSCRIBERS?! How come I saw only about ten of then? No wait, I can answer > that. They are either too busy, can't call at the time, or just don't care. I > for one like having a small amount of people on the board. Feels kind of like > our own, tiny, Fredom Fighter group, but than, that's who we are :') . > Actually, that's not too far from my own findings on other lists. I once recorded the postings for one month from another list to which I subscribe. Of the total number of subscribers (about 200), only a minority (maybe 70) bothered to post anything during the month. And of that 70, a mere 7 were responsible for roughly HALF of the data traffic that month (one of the seven was the SysOp, so that might have had something to do with it). A perfect example of what Nixon called "the slient majority." Some people just want to lurk. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 15:22:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA02944 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:58:54 -0500 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.16]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id OAA02929 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:58:49 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id OAA29798; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:58:39 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199601051958.OAA29798@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:58:39 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Caught up in it all Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net De mighty(@en.com) one said: [slice] >...I think such talk is valid. Any opinions on this? Well, IMO, this has been one of the more interesting topics on the list for a while. Since there's some sort of new rule on the list regarding the u/ling of fanfic to the list, and there were no binaries on it to begin with, and nothing else seems to have come up regarding Sega vs. Ratman, this is really the only interesting thing to read. ( Of course, the fact that I'm going to help to write the storyline for the game doesn't bias me *much*... =) ) However, I'm sure someone else here isn't interested in the game for some odd reason. I can repect that, too. So, maybe if I threw out another topic, we could start a new thread. Let me think of one...ah, how about this: It is never made clear exactly what the population of Mobius is in either the comic(s) or the SatAM show, or the demographic breakdown of its various species are (how many foxes, walruses, etc.). Mobius is a pretty big place, so I figured there'd be at least 250 million sentinents on it (being that most Mobians are smaller, and take up less actual space than we humans do). What's everyone else's opinion on it? Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 16:21:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA05338 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:46:10 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA05333 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:46:08 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03805 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:45:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: <960105154524_32760647@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Money for StH. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey Ron! I sent ten bucks for the tapes to you yesterday. The letter should come in shortly. Then again, who knows. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 16:32:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA05207 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:46:00 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA05202 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:45:57 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03728 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:45:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <960105154518_32760558@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: StH tapes. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net After Ron sends me a copy of the tapes, I am willing to make copies, also for ten bucks (in case there are too many of you who want them, and can't wait to get them :') ). "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 16:35:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA04468 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:35:33 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA04462 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:35:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:35:28 -0500 Received: from ip222.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa10617; 5 Jan 96 15:34 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Message-ID: <9601051534.aa10617@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Yes, you're both right and wrong. It all depends how detailed the final >product is. :) If it's a detailed game, such small blemished MAY actually >show making for a crappy characther. But, then again, once scanned in, such >things are EASILY eddited. Gotcha! Thanks for clearing it up. :) -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 16:36:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA05357 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:46:18 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA05345 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:46:14 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26054 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:45:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:45:31 -0500 Message-ID: <960105154530_32760731@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Animaniacs. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This might be off subject, but help is help. I heard someone say that they are having trouble finding Animaniacs comic. The comic store where I by my Archie StH, orders them, and now has about five current issues for about $1.50 each. I would be able to ship them out, in case it is nesesary (For around $1.50, of course :') ). "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 16:39:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA04776 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:41:22 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA04764 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:41:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:41:19 -0500 Received: from ip222.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa13797; 5 Jan 96 15:40 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Re: Caught up in it all Message-ID: <9601051540.aa13797@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This IS monumental, and I think any news about >it or upon it, (as long as we don't have TOO many objections,) are valid for >this list. After all, we're still dealing with fandom, (I'd hope! >Otherwise, we've got some nerds out there that just love to program!) :) so, >I think such talk is valid. Any oppinions on this? And if you object, be >nice...let's not start a flame war... :) Later! I agree whole-heartedly, Mighty. Since you stated yourself that the game will be completely different from the traditional "obstacle-course"-like game which sega has produced in the past and more like the Sonic universe that is reflected in the fan-fic and in the series, I don't see why it should be invalid. Ratman has not complained. (As of yet. There's been quite a lot of talk going around for a while now, so it doesn't look like he's going to in the near future.) So, can we assume that we have his "thumbs-up" on this one? I really can't wait to see what you guys come up with..... :) -Matt (Gotta create a signature.....) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 21:33:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA27268 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:02:56 -0500 Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com (pimaia2y.prodigy.com [192.207.105.55]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA27263 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:02:54 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com ([199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA04126 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:59:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 20:59:00 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08020312.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: WOOHOO!!!!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I'VE FINALLY FINISHED THE HUNT BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd have to say it's my best Sonic story yet. Of course, it IS set in that Headache Universe you know from Jaded Views and Blue Flames, but there's a lot less Headache this time. 8) The first half is pretty much like a normal Sonic story even, and the last half is a tad reminiscent of those David Prower stories...anywayz, I'll send it in as soon as I manage to divide it up into small enough chunks to send through the list (probably 4 of 'em, maybe more, maybe less). >< 'Nuff Said. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 5 22:29:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA01410 for sonic-ll; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:23:40 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA01405 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:23:37 -0500 Received: from l3-9.en.net (l3-9.en.net [204.89.181.169]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA22662 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:36:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:36:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601060336.WAA22662@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Caught up in it all Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I agree whole-heartedly, Mighty. Since you stated yourself that the game >will be completely different from the traditional "obstacle-course"-like >game which sega has produced in the past and more like the Sonic universe >that is reflected in the fan-fic and in the series, I don't see why it >should be invalid. Ratman has not complained. (As of yet. There's been= quite >a lot of talk going around for a while now, so it doesn't look like he's >going to in the near future.) So, can we assume that we have his= "thumbs-up" >on this one? I really can't wait to see what you guys come up with..... :) > A lot of us don't have all the details right now, (myself for one..) but we are getting together and putting things together. Although it WILL be an action game, it WILL NOT (hopefully, we're steering this way,) be an "obsticle course"... I am hoping to get the say so to have some "secret" characthers added, (i.e., the ones YOU people create,) but I don't know how it will go over. I'm putting up some new immages tonight, and they should clear things up a bit... =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 00:28:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA08388 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:30 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA08383 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:27 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA19264 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:17:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <960106001756_84658548@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Another game suggestion. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I have another game suggestion: Ever since I saw and played my first Sonic game, I wished that someone would make a game where Sonic doesn't have a speed limit. Maybe in this game, when Sonic uses a power ring, the speed limit could be the power limit of the computer. You could use something like press and hold forward to accelerate, let go to slow down, and press back to hit the breaks. I know that that might sound more like a car racing game, but then, I would really like to see Sonic break the speed (and videogame :') ) barrier on a home computer screen! "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 00:38:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA08414 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:19:03 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA08409 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:19:01 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA16778 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:30 -0500 Message-ID: <960106001828_84658826@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Perv dir. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Fri Jan 5 00:39:44 1996, Brad Clark wrote: >BTW, I've kind of stopped doing grabs for the FTP site since >everyone started complaining abut how Sega removed the perv >directory, (big deal!) Since it kind of died off now, I may make >some more clips one of these days...looking for anything? I think >we need a few more of Dulcey and Antoine on there..... > > Laters. To tell you the truth, I am kind of, no wait, REALLY glad that the perv directory was removed. I am REALLY agains Anyone making fun and sick jokes of THEE Hedgehog! :'( . P.S. Don't mess with my favorite Hedgehog :'( ! I'm obsessed. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 00:57:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA08421 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:19:17 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA08416 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:19:13 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14708 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:42 -0500 Message-ID: <960106001840_84658909@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Poeple posting on the list. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Thu Jan 4 21:44:06 1996, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 wrote: >> 80 SUBSCRIBERS?! How come I saw only about ten of then? No >>wait, I can answer that. They are either too busy, can't call at >>the time, or just don't care. I for one like having a small amount >>of people on the board. Feels kind of like our own, tiny, Fredom >>Fighter group, but than, that's who we are :') . >It's quite common for a mailing list to have a few who post >frequently, a few more who post occasionally, quite a few who >post infrequently, and many who never post at all. The Sonic list >is no exception. There is one user who joined last March or April >and has yet to make their first post to the list. Frequent Posters Rule! The concept that people like us keep Sonic popular, reminds me of the Tiny Toons episode where Babs "renews" an old toon by making her have a lot of fans. I think that if it weren't for us and all other groups of Sonic fans, Sonic the Hedgehog wouldve "died" about three years ago. (A sick and sad thought). By the way, You people who just listen, but don't write, SUCK! Come on! We need help with our game! We need Sonic info! We need REAL Sonic fans! "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 00:58:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA08399 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:42 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA08393 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:38 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25489 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:08 -0500 Message-ID: <960106001807_84658643@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Why not a game list? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Fri Jan 5 06:57:39 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: >To those whom it may concern: > > The game Twisted Mettle is a far cry from straying away >from the Sonic theme of this list. We are doing something that >few if ANY one has ever done: kids, teens, and adults alike, are >working on programming an actual game-without seeing one >another! Think about it, do you think that Sega's crew are miles >apart? This IS monumental, and I think any news about it or upon >it, (as long as we don't have TOO many objections,) are valid for >this list. After all, we're still dealing with fandom, (I'd hope! >Otherwise, we've got some nerds out there that just love to >program!) :) so, I think such talk is valid. Any oppinions on this? >And if you object, be nice...let's not start a flame war... :) Later! Why don't we make a list for this project. That way, everybody will know what everybody else is doing at the moment. Plus, the game will turn out a LOT more organized (Let's hope we don't hit the saving Robuttnik sceme:'). I have seen these kind of things happen). In fact, why don't we just use this list? That way, the money will be saved, the info will be sent, and the viewers will see the update on the game! "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 00:58:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA08407 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:56 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA08402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:53 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA14586 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: <960106001820_84658750@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Game's home page. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Thu Jan 4 21:31:44 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: >>I called up this game's home page, and got kind of dissapointed. >>The first thing that I saw, was (Cool, "saw" spelled backwards!) >>a sort of a blue-print for a sonic video game level. That blue->>print looked like a typical, SEGA made Sonic level. I thought you >>guys were going to use DiC/Archie style for this game. I mean >>adding a forrest (Great f.) a dark, poluted, Robotropolis, and that >>kind of stuff, not just some obstacle course :'( . >> >>My friend, who is begging me to make up some excuse to let his >>dad use AOL for E-mail (That's right, he wants to join), thought >>up of an idea to use some small missions, and make the plot >>desighned by the player (loose this level, Robotnik captures >>somebody. Then either replay the level, or keep playing). I have >>also thought up of an idea, that you guys might use some 3D >>scenes, kind of like special level StH 2, but with way better >>graphics. My friend also sujested that tha player migh use some >>flying vehicle at least once in a game (in my upcoming story, >>Sonic knocks off the torso of a Flight-bot, and then uses the >>hover section to make his getaway ). >>Hope that picture was a dud, and my ideas help. >> >;) Dood, that wasn't a picture... that was a scan from something >TOTALLY different....the ONLY thing on there right now is specs of >what the game will have. That picture means nothing, (although >I'm HOPING to get screen shots up within the next few days..) >Don't be dissapointed...there's nothing there (as of now..) you'll >see....just keep checking it and watch for changes! OH, GOD THAT'S A RELIEF!!! Why did you post it there, anyway? "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 02:04:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA11383 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:07:28 -0500 Received: from unix.infoserve.net (unix.infoserve.net [199.175.157.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA11378 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:07:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (bradc@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id WAA06464; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:12:13 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 22:12:13 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Clark Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <960106001840_84658909@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > On Thu Jan 4 21:44:06 1996, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 wrote: > > By the way, You people who just listen, but don't write, SUCK! Come on! We > need help with our game! We need Sonic info! We need REAL Sonic fans! okokok...(-I- don't suck by the way) But how about giving Dulcey a part in the game...maybe something to do with flying, or maybe a level where Dulcey has to fly a non-flying character somewhere. Just a thought. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x RL: Brad D. Clark Furtoonia: Orwin Raccoon/GrumpyBear x x bradc@unix.infoserve.net x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 02:05:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA11353 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:05:47 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA11348 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:05:44 -0500 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA12999 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:05:42 -0500 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA22299 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:05:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199601060605.BAA22299@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:05:39 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960106001840_84658909@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 6, 96 00:18:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1659 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Frequent Posters Rule! > The concept that people like us keep Sonic popular, reminds me of the Tiny > Toons episode where Babs "renews" an old toon by making her have a lot of > fans. I think that if it weren't for us and all other groups of Sonic fans, > Sonic the Hedgehog wouldve "died" about three years ago. (A sick and sad > thought). Hmm, let's paraphrase that. 'If it weren't popular, it's popularity would've died about three years ago.' Makes sense to me. :) Dan Quayle, what do you think? > By the way, You people who just listen, but don't write, SUCK! Come on! We > need help with our game! We need Sonic info! We need REAL Sonic fans! Don't throw that word around too loosely. Except for my stories and one comment about them, this is the first I have posted to this list in ages. And I would take offense to you telling me that I 'SUCK' if I thought that you meant it personally. "REAL Sonic fans"? What is this, the army? Sheesh. :) laters---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 02:23:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA14194 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:31 -0500 Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [192.207.105.46]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA14189 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:29 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA26402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 01:51:56 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08036372.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The RPG sounds okay to me... >< Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 02:29:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA14186 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:22 -0500 Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com (pimaia2y.prodigy.com [192.207.105.55]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA14181 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:20 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com ([199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA04108 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 01:51:43 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08036365.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: My theory. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dmitry, your theory's possible; it was probably a combination of factors. One of the deciding factors was that DiC put out at least one animation cel from the show without Sega's permission. As for us being ashamed to watch it in public, I'd have to agree; I have told nobody but my family, closest friends, and, naturally, fellow Sonic fans, what exactly it is that I get up at 6:50 on Sundays to tape, referring to it as only, "You know...that one...with the thing..." >< Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 02:30:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA14201 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:35 -0500 Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [192.207.105.46]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA14196 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:33 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA28978 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 01:52:00 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08036374.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net To add to the words of Dmitri (which were as follows) >80 SUBSCRIBERS?! How come I saw only about ten of then? No wait, I can >answer that. They are either too busy, can't call at the time, or just >don't care. OR ARE ONLY HERE ON WEEKENDS!!!!!!!!!!! HOW COME THE ONLY PERSON WHO EVER MENTIONS ME SPECIFICALLY IS ABLATER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Sorry, I know you're a newbie and all and therefore wouldn't know that the reason I was on every day was cuz of vacation...BUT I JUST GOT 560+ MESSAGES IN MY E-MAIL AND I'M KINDA WIGGING OUT HAVING TO SORT 'EM ALL TO DIFFERENT FOLDERS CUZ I CAN'T DELETE 'EM ALL CUZ SOME ARE IMPORTANT!!!!!! >< From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 02:30:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA14208 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:42 -0500 Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [192.207.105.46]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA14203 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:40 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA27966 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 01:52:03 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08036375.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Twisted Mettle ideas... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I haven't done too much in Pascal, but I could help a LITTLE in that area. Also, with my new scanner, I could do graphics (considering I figure out how to get it to resize the graphics to a square inch instead of 5 square screens )...plot? Hmmm, that's a toughie, we hafta depart from the old "Robotnik tries to roboticize all the Mobians and the Freedom Fighters stop him" storyline...perhaps the FF find a special artifact that could potentially allow them to win the war if they play their cards right? Hmmm... Oh, and for whoever was talking about how many sentients probably exist on Mobius? Again, that's a toughie. First, you have to decide whether you can consider the robots "sentient"; for, as Uncle Chuck said, they can still think and feel what's happening around them, but can't make any decisions. I'd say there are maybe a few thousand sentients who escaped roboticization, max. >< Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 02:34:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA14178 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:11 -0500 Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [192.207.105.46]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA14173 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:10 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA21980 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:52:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 1996 01:51:36 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08036360.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: What about the war?/ Happy N Y Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In the words of my ol' buddy Matt: >If it is true that Sega has a large say in what the comics turn out to be >like, then I say they're shooting themselves in the foot by harming the >characters in this way. THEY NEED MORE DISTINCT PERSONALITIES WITH MORE >EMOTIONAL EXPRESSION. It's that simple. I don't suppose anybody was a fan >of the Ninja Turtles series which was put out by Archie? In it's final 2 >years, I truly enjoyed what they were doing with it. They explored the >characters' emotions and the writers were creating very intricate >plotlines, with complex themes. They just kept setting up more interesting >events making you drool in anticipation of the next issue. Yup. I agree with you completely, as usual. What gives me some hope in the direction of the Sonic comics is that the Archie version of TMNT started out as a cornball representation of a really lame (although I didn't think so at the time) cartoon, then, over the years, managed to expand and have some really superb storylines, which proves that Archie can make a gag-filled comic into something really deep. Here's hoping! >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 09:14:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA06426 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:04:41 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA06421 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:04:39 -0500 Received: from l2-0.en.net (l2-0.en.net [204.89.181.190]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00633 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:18:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:18:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601061418.JAA00633@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >The RPG sounds okay to me... > > >>< > >Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. > ^^^ > | | I LOVE this quote...don't know where you got it, but it's awesome... =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 09:23:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA06290 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:00:06 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA06285 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:00:03 -0500 Received: from l2-0.en.net (l2-0.en.net [204.89.181.190]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00405 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:13:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:13:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601061413.JAA00405@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Game's home page. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >OH, GOD THAT'S A RELIEF!!! Why did you post it there, anyway? > \So you could get the effect we were actually working! :) No, it looked cool, so... well, they'll be some pictures going up shortly, (2, in fact,)...they're on my hd...I just have to edit the web page... =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 09:26:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA06388 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:03:13 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA06380 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:03:11 -0500 Received: from l2-0.en.net (l2-0.en.net [204.89.181.190]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00568 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:16:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:16:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601061416.JAA00568@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >okokok...(-I- don't suck by the way) But how about giving Dulcey a part=20 >in the game...maybe something to do with flying, or maybe a level where=20 >Dulcey has to fly a non-flying character somewhere. Just a thought. > It'd be cool, but we all SUCK with flying characters! (yes, even I) cannot program something like that! If Dulcy was walking, MAYBE.... :( =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 09:27:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA06242 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 08:58:18 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA06237 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 08:58:16 -0500 Received: from l2-0.en.net (l2-0.en.net [204.89.181.190]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00350 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:11:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:11:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601061411.JAA00350@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Perv dir. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >On Fri Jan 5 00:39:44 1996, Brad Clark wrote: > >>BTW, I've kind of stopped doing grabs for the FTP site since >everyone >started complaining abut how Sega removed the perv >directory, (big deal!) > Since it kind of died off now, I may make >some more clips one of these >days...looking for anything? I think >we need a few more of Dulcey and >Antoine on there..... >> >> Laters. > Well, I've seen a few of those...come now, we've all seen a "girly" mag once or twice, but a cartoon? That's beyond obsession... I'm glad they're gone. =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 09:31:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA06361 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:01:58 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA06354 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:01:55 -0500 Received: from l2-0.en.net (l2-0.en.net [204.89.181.190]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00528 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:15:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:15:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601061415.JAA00528@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Why not a game list? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Why don't we make a list for this project. That way, everybody will know= what >everybody else is doing at the moment. Plus, the game will turn out a LOT >more organized (Let's hope we don't hit the saving Robuttnik sceme:'). I= have >seen these kind of things happen). In fact, why don't we just use this= list? >That way, the money will be saved, the info will be sent, and the viewers >will see the update on the game! I don't think having everything on this list is hurting anyone.... I think it's more of a pain to jump back and forth from two lists, minding what you post where. =20 =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 09:34:47 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA06227 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 08:56:28 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA06213 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 08:56:25 -0500 Received: from l2-0.en.net (l2-0.en.net [204.89.181.190]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA00280 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:10:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 09:10:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601061410.JAA00280@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Another game suggestion. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I have another game suggestion: > >Ever since I saw and played my first Sonic game, I wished that someone= would >make a game where Sonic doesn't have a speed limit. Maybe in this game,= when >Sonic uses a power ring, the speed limit could be the power limit of the >computer. You could use something like press and hold forward to= accelerate, >let go to slow down, and press back to hit the breaks. I know that that= might >sound more like a car racing game, but then, I would really like to see= Sonic >break the speed (and videogame :') ) barrier on a home computer screen! Suggestion NOTED! I always get sad, too, when our blue buddy can't out run some of Robo's banicks. One problem with this is, (I don't know if you've seen it,) in some very face-paced games, the screen cannot keep up with the fast moving charachter(s). =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 12:15:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA16251 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:07:08 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA16244 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:07:05 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA24686; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 18:07:17 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 18:07:17 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively In-Reply-To: <960101174047_28997187@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively hates > Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC episodes, Snively and > Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite alot? I can't think of any > examples, but I do know that somehow. As far as I can see in the cartoon, Snively always grumbles things like "That big round guy" and the such. They have quite a tense relationship. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 13:39:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA20622 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:44 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA20617 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:42 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA26293 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:11 -0500 Message-ID: <960106133510_33578140@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: DOS or WINDOZE Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I think that there's still one more thing we have to clear up: Is the game Twisted-Mettle for Windows, or for DOS (Please say DOS. Windows would lock up, crash, screw up, and do all those other things windows were desighned to do :') ). Also, why Mettle? "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 13:44:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA20616 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:37 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA20611 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:34 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id TAA28591; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:35:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:35:51 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. In-Reply-To: <199601061416.JAA00568@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > > >okokok...(-I- don't suck by the way) But how about giving Dulcey a part > >in the game...maybe something to do with flying, or maybe a level where > >Dulcey has to fly a non-flying character somewhere. Just a thought. > > > > It'd be cool, but we all SUCK with flying characters! (yes, even I) cannot > program something like that! If Dulcy was walking, MAYBE.... :( Hmmm... I've only programmed AMOS and other BASIC dialects, but is a flying character harder? They don't have to think so much about gravity and where they can move or not. Shouldn't it in fact be easier? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 13:48:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA20443 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:29:34 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA20438 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:29:31 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id TAA28468; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:29:47 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:29:47 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. In-Reply-To: <960106001840_84658909@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > On Thu Jan 4 21:44:06 1996, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 wrote: > > >> 80 SUBSCRIBERS?! How come I saw only about ten of then? No >>wait, I can > answer that. They are either too busy, can't call at >>the time, or just > don't care. I for one like having a small amount >>of people on the board. > Feels kind of like our own, tiny, Fredom >>Fighter group, but than, that's > who we are :') . > > >It's quite common for a mailing list to have a few who post >frequently, a > few more who post occasionally, quite a few who >post infrequently, and many > who never post at all. The Sonic list >is no exception. There is one user > who joined last March or April >and has yet to make their first post to the > list. > > Frequent Posters Rule! Of course they do, they clog up my inbox. =) > The concept that people like us keep Sonic popular, reminds me of the Tiny > Toons episode where Babs "renews" an old toon by making her have a lot of > fans. I think that if it weren't for us and all other groups of Sonic fans, > Sonic the Hedgehog wouldve "died" about three years ago. (A sick and sad > thought). Why would he do that, with his popular games? Of course he has got to have fans, or noone would buy the games, but if he hadn't got them, he'd never have gotten even a second game, would he? > By the way, You people who just listen, but don't write, SUCK! Come on! We > need help with our game! We need Sonic info! We need REAL Sonic fans! AFAIK, I am a real Sonic fan, but much of the stuff discussed here is either about fanfics which I haven't read (The one I've read, with some berzerk called Davy Crocket put me off, I don't like it when people mess with the universe I like, introducing characters who don't blend in.), or I don't have the time to follow up or I haven't got anything to add. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 13:54:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA20634 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:36:03 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA20629 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:58 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA04223 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:35:27 -0500 Message-ID: <960106133526_33578333@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-05 18:15:52 EST, Joseph Delacroix said: >It is never made clear exactly what the population of Mobius is in >either the comic(s) or the SatAM show, or the demographic >breakdown of its various species are (how many foxes, walruses, >etc.). Mobius is a pretty big place, so I figured there'd be at least >250 million sentinents on it (being that most Mobians are >smaller, and take up less actual space than we humans do). >What's everyone else's opinion on it? > >Joe. Well, First of all, Mobius isn't that big. (I still didn't get an answer for: Which of the StH episodes has Robotnik looking at a MAP of Mobius). I think that 250 million people is(was) a good estimation though. Although I like to believe that there are very few people left. In my world, Robotnik started taking over the farthest cities from Mobotropolis. This way, the King would have a less chance to find out what's happening. (The Great War?) Then, after taking over a closer city or location, Robotnik would destroy the old city, and all of it's inhabitants, thus avoiding the hastle of looking over the prisioners. When Robotnik finaly got to Mobotropolis, the King didn't suspect anything because there were no reports (all the inhabitants who could tell about it were dead with their cities). Thus, Robotnik managed to get everybody by surprise, and once again, to avoid the hastle of prisioners and satisfy his hunger for violence, killed/roboticised the inhabitants. This idea was based on: Metal-Fox Bloodlines Capture the Flag ("Its funny the way authors can write about something without knowing it." - Some quote I heard somewhere. Maybe I made it up. I forgot...) Also on demographic breakdown of species, I would think that the walruses would be a minority in Mobotropolis, and foxes, squirells, and other rodents would be the majority of the population on Mobotropolis (Greaf forest/swamp/plain nearby). In fact, I don't even know what Rotor was doing, living there (Not that I don't like him. He has a pretty important part in my story, which is comming up very slow for some reason, *looking at watch* Sh%t ! It's 1:00 am! Not enough time to write it today!). Hope that helps (and continues the discussion). BTW - (what does BTW stand for?) There are 80 subscribers, about 10 everyday posters. About 500 to 1000 people on Mobius, about 50 to 100 are freedom fighter. Any similarities? :') "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 13:54:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA21963 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:47:55 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA21958 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:47:51 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id TAA29010; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:48:08 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:48:08 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: DOS or WINDOZE In-Reply-To: <960106133510_33578140@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > I think that there's still one more thing we have to clear up: > Is the game Twisted-Mettle for Windows, or for DOS (Please say DOS. Windows > would lock up, crash, screw up, and do all those > other things windows were desighned to do :') ). Haha, a fast paced Sonic game in Windows? Windows isn't double-buffered, so that's probably impossible. > Also, why Mettle? What's a mettle? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 14:01:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA21084 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:45:32 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA21077 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:45:28 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id TAA28904; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:45:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:45:44 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Perv dir. In-Reply-To: <199601061411.JAA00350@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > >On Fri Jan 5 00:39:44 1996, Brad Clark wrote: > > > >>BTW, I've kind of stopped doing grabs for the FTP site since >everyone > >started complaining abut how Sega removed the perv >directory, (big deal!) > > Since it kind of died off now, I may make >some more clips one of these > >days...looking for anything? I think >we need a few more of Dulcey and > >Antoine on there..... > >> > >> Laters. > > > > Well, I've seen a few of those...come now, we've all seen a "girly" mag once > or twice, but a cartoon? That's beyond obsession... Don't tell that to the people on alt.sex.furry... > I'm glad they're gone. You need not view them. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:07:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA28998 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:35 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA28992 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:31 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA21458 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:00 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:00 -0500 Message-ID: <960106154759_84919817@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Critique: "Southern Crossover" Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-02 20:00:56 EST, you write: >Hey, David! What you said of Relitveships? I THINK IT ROCKS!!! > > Well, Sonia, they *asked* for it...... :::turns aroung and takes a swipe at the slacking DICBOT #75194576, removing the head::: From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:15:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA29030 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:47 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA29000 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:35 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA22984 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:05 -0500 Message-ID: <960106154803_84919851@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-03 01:30:45 EST, you write: > Ok, two people want a copy of my pencil and paper RPG? Do I hear >three...four...? > I have found it and am just looking over it and making a few >adjustments, I should be done soon. > So, anyone else? > Let me take a look into it....David Gonterman From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:17:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA29024 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:42 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA29014 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:40 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA21516 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:09 -0500 Message-ID: <960106154808_84919892@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: DOS or WINDOZE Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-06 13:41:11 EST, you write: >I think that there's still one more thing we have to clear up: >Is the game Twisted-Mettle for Windows, or for DOS (Please say DOS. Windows >would lock up, crash, screw up, and do all those >other things windows were desighned to do :') ). > > DOS, definetly DOS, right Al? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:21:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA29011 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:38 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA28997 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:35 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27541 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:47:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: <960106154757_84919789@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-02 12:35:46 EST, you write: >It probably would make Archie stronger-- and if we had more manpower, perhaps >there would be someone available to fill this need. But until then-- no hard >feelings on this end, either! > > Er, Paul. I believe that's why I got this whole thing started, when I asked you about submissions? . . . .%*P :::Dazed and Confused...::: David G. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:23:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA29051 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:49:11 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA29044 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:49:09 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA15709 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:08 -0500 Message-ID: <960106154807_84919883@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-06 09:29:24 EST, you write: >It'd be cool, but we all SUCK with flying characters! (yes, even I) cannot >program something like that! If Dulcy was walking, MAYBE.... :( > I say let her pick up the Freedom Fighter in play at the end of each stage and have her carry Player 1 over to the next stage..makes for great intermission screens... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<---Become one of Sonic's BAMned souls!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:28:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA28975 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:23 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA28966 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:18 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA22831 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:47:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: <960106154746_84919703@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-02 01:22:44 EST, you write: >If you have seen Blast to the Past, you may might notice that Snively >once called him Uncle Julian. > > That was *one* of the many things I hint on in BAM, as well as the *screaming* revelation that freedom fighter Davey Drockett was in fact David Kintobor, Robotnik's eldest son! Dang, talk about your dysfunctional families... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<---Become one of Sonic's BAMned souls... From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:31:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA28986 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:27 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA28976 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:48:24 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03011 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:47:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <960106154753_84919752@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Hi Dan! (I mean Drazen.) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-02 01:25:38 EST, you write: >I believe the answer is your second responce - both girls are going through >the same problems - being partially roboticized and will eventually be >sudduced by the "Roboticization Syndrome", the illness where your flesh >becomes contaminated by your mechanical parts. > > Another thing I tackled in BAM, where Bunnie and Chuck got their roboticized parts upgraded to a model that is more environmently friendly and is indistinguishable from actual flesh, (Unless you shift it back to 'bot mode if you need to). Bunnie was relatively unharmed because her flesh parts were adapting to the poison. But poor Sir Charles got stricked with cancer and had a heart attack promptly after the treatment...he later recovered due to the recouperative ability to his new body.... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:31:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA00382 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:01:12 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA00377 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:01:09 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA28386; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:01:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:01:08 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG In-Reply-To: <199601061418.JAA00633@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > >The RPG sounds okay to me... > > > > > >>< > > > >Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. > > ^^^ > > | > | > I LOVE this quote...don't know where you got it, but it's > awesome... This is a perfect example of what NOT to post to the list. This is something that should have gone to just the author. Understand? And do not reply to this to the list about this or I will really start to get annoyed. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:44:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA29222 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:52:42 -0500 Received: from m4.pcix.com (root@M4.PCIX.COM [204.179.180.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA29217 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:52:39 -0500 From: dlhiggs@pcix.com Received: from [204.238.232.103] (dial103.pcix.com [204.238.232.103]) by m4.pcix.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10126 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:09:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:09:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199601062109.QAA10126@m4.pcix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Map of Mobius. To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <960101174039_28997077@emout05.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.21 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, MDmitry@aol.com wrote: >I remember that in one of the DiC episodes, for about three seconds, Robotnik >was looking at a pretty clear picture of the Map of Mobius on his computer. >Does anyone remember which episode was that in? > > >"If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) > > Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik > COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. > > > I think that that might be the one when Robotnik leaves to control some freedom fighters in the north and Snivly wipes out Sonic's memory. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 16:45:49 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA00476 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:02:45 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA00471 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:02:42 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA28433; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:02:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:02:41 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why not a game list? In-Reply-To: <199601061415.JAA00528@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > >Why don't we make a list for this project. That way, everybody will know what > >everybody else is doing at the moment. Plus, the game will turn out a LOT > >more organized (Let's hope we don't hit the saving Robuttnik sceme:'). I have > >seen these kind of things happen). In fact, why don't we just use this list? > >That way, the money will be saved, the info will be sent, and the viewers > >will see the update on the game! > > I don't think having everything on this list is hurting anyone.... I think > it's more of a pain to jump back and forth from two lists, minding what you > post where. It will probably annoy a lot of people if you takeover a list for your own purpose, just because it's vaguely on-topic. Don't do it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 17:43:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA04392 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:18:47 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA04385 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:18:43 -0500 Received: from l3-21.en.net (l3-21.en.net [204.89.181.181]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA01970 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:32:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:32:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601062232.RAA01970@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: DOS or WINDOZE Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I think that there's still one more thing we have to clear up: >Is the game Twisted-Mettle for Windows, or for DOS (Please say DOS. Windows >would lock up, crash, screw up, and do all those >other things windows were desighned to do :') ). Yes, most likely DOS.... (winowz sux..) > >Also, why Mettle? Why not? :) no, it's a play on words, really... =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 17:57:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA04639 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:31:32 -0500 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.16]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id RAA04634 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:31:29 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id RAA16706; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:31:27 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199601062231.RAA16706@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:31:27 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net MDmitry@aol.com sez: >On 96-01-05 18:15:52 EST, Joseph Delacroix said: > >>It is never made clear exactly what the population of Mobius is in either >>the comic(s) or the SatAM show, or the demographic breakdown of its various >>species are (how many foxes, walruses, etc.). Mobius is a pretty big place, >>so I figured there'd be at least 250 million sentinents on it (being that >>most Mobians are smaller, and take up less actual space than we humans do). >>What's everyone else's opinion on it? >> >>Joe. > >Well, First of all, Mobius isn't that big. It's certainly not tiny; it's at least as big as Earth, in my estimation. (I think anything larger than a car is `big'. ;) >(I still didn't get an answer for: Which of the StH episodes has Robotnik >looking at a MAP of Mobius). You got me. >I think that 250 million people is(was) a good estimation though. Although I >like to believe that there are very few people left. In my world, Robotnik >started taking over the farthest cities from Mobotropolis. This way, the King >would have a less chance to find out what's happening. (The Great War?) Then, >after taking over a closer city or location, Robotnik would destroy the old >city, and all of it's inhabitants, thus avoiding the hastle of looking over >the prisioners. When Robotnik finaly got to Mobotropolis, the King didn't >suspect anything because there were no reports (all the inhabitants who could >tell about it were dead with their cities). Thus, Robotnik managed to get >everybody by surprise, and once again, to avoid the hastle of prisioners and >satisfy his hunger for violence, killed/roboticised the inhabitants. Well...I'll have to disagree with you slightly there. Remember that Robotnik has lots of factories/mining operations/et al all over Mobius, and that all of those are manned at least partially by roboticized citizens. Robotnik's not a stupid man, after all: killing everyone would leave nobody to do the drudgery...or witness his triumph. Assuming 25%+ were killed, and 70-75% roboticized, that would leave the remainder still au natural...not many, but enough to do some damage to Ivo. >This idea was based on: >Metal-Fox >Bloodlines >Capture the Flag [zot] >Also on demographic breakdown of species, I would think that the walruses >would be a minority in Mobotropolis, and foxes, squirells, and other rodents >would be the majority of the population on Mobotropolis (Greaf >forest/swamp/plain nearby). That was my belief as well. Of course, according to the general fanfic precedent, foxes are the majority of the majority. =) >In fact, I don't even know what Rotor was doing, living there (Not that I >don't like him. He has a pretty important part in my story, which is comming >up very slow for some reason, *looking at watch* Sh%t ! It's 1:00 am! Not >enough time to write it today!). I know how *that* is. =P (And I don't know, either.) [blam] Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 21:29:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA17506 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:06:29 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA17501 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:06:27 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA02972; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:06:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:06:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sally and Sonic (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:26:24 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Sally and Sonic I was reading the synopses of past issues of the Sonic comic book (in this list's FAQ), and I came across one synopsis (for Sonic #18) that mentioned Robotnick learning of Sonic and Sally's "impending" wedding. Was this wedding part of the fantasy induced by Robotnick in Sleepy Hollow, or was the wedding for real? Are they married now? Please let me know, as these issues came out before I subscribed to the comic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 22:13:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA19698 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:51:22 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA19693 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:51:17 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA10894 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:51:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:51:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199601070351.UAA10894@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: What was that???? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Someone Said: > You may upload your files to /incoming at rat.org. If > you are not able > to upload by ftp, you may mail submissions to > rat@rat.org. All > submissions are subject to approval. ???????I don't understand.??????? Nomad "I can't be stupid everyday!" -Myself From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 22:18:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA19735 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:51:33 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA19716 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:51:29 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA10898 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:52:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:52:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199601070352.UAA10898@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Is there an easier way? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I don't want to send the RPG to everyone individualy, is there an easier way?? Please, I need help. Nomad PS: Who ever owns Bookshire and Packbell, can I have your permision to have it in my story? (the story has no name and is on page 21 currently) I won't degrade them, I might even glorify them. Thanks From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 6 23:10:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA24235 for sonic-ll; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:57:42 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA24230 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:57:40 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA09663; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:57:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:57:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: A message from the Sonic list manager Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Lately, there have been too many inappropriate posts to the Sonic list. Please read this message carefully. You will be responisble for knowing and following its content. The Sonic PC Game ================= I have tried to be a little more lenient on these posts as it is a fan project and not a Sega product (Sega's games are already represented in 2 Usenet groups.) These posts have begun to dominate the list and to overstep the list's purpose. As stated in the Sonic list's new member introductory text, the list is for discussion of the Sonic characters, cartoons, comics, and fan stories. Many of these posts can scarcely (if at all) qualify as discussion of Sonic characters, and are not at all discussions of the cartoons and comics. There appears to be enough interest in this project that a seperate list should be considered. I, personally, support this idea. A seperate list will help the main list return to its stated purpose as well as free non-interested subscribers from having to receive these posts. The only "inconvenience" to users I see is having to remember 2 posting addresses rather than 1. The leader(s) of this project might want to ask Ratman (nicely!) if he is willing to set up a second list, or seek a LISTSERV site that will host the list without a fee. Pobox.com will set up a mailing list for interested persons for a fee, as will many local Internet Serivces Providers. As a last resort, it is possible, albeit inconvenient, to run a mailing list from a personal e-mail account. Whether or not there is a second list, I am willing to go along with: a) Occasional posts to this list that recruit new persons to the development team and/or summarize the current state of progress in development of the game. Also, the final announcement of completion as well. b) Adding referrals to the team leader(s) to the new subscriber introductory text for this list. c) Adding referrals to the team leader(s) to this list's Web page (which really needs to be updated anyway). Until and if a second list is formed, please begin taking these inappropriate posts to private e-mail. Sonic's Paper Game ================== Many of the issues concerning the PC game above apply to this game as well. I have no problem with the announcement that this game was being offered to interested persons. Posts discussing the game play overstep this list's purpose. The "I want a copy" posts should definitely have been sent directly to the person making the announcement and not to the entire mailing list. Respect For Other Users ======================= Contributions are what keep this list alive, but are not required of anyone. Who really wants to read posts that say "I have nothing to say but I have to say something, so here's my message."? You have the right to be active or lurking according to your own interest and personal time availability. Do not hurl insults at someone or a group of persons because they aren't active enough to satisfy you -- or for any other reason, for that matter. If you have a problem with a subscriber on the Sonic list, send e-mail to that person and/or sonic@rat.org (with a copy of the offending post). What next? ========== Advisements and administrative warnings have already gone out to some persons. I hope this message will eliminate the need for me to send any more such messages. Anyone who now posts or continues to post inappropriate messages is subject to being deleted from the subscriber database. Be aware that the Sonic list could also become a moderated list. I would not want to see this happen because it would cause posts to be delayed up to 48 hours (not to mention the effort it would take me to forward *every* message to the list). Please think before you post, and don't make this become a moderated list. Adulations or flames regarding this message or any other administrative issue should be sent to sonic@rat.org and not posted to the list. Thank you for your attention and expected co-operation. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Member of Team OS/2 Manager, "Sonic the Hedgehog" mailing list [sonic@rat.org / acme@use.usit.net] Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 00:39:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA28333 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:30:17 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA28328 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:30:14 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA26342; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:30:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. In-Reply-To: <960106133526_33578333@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 6 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > Well, First of all, Mobius isn't that big. (I still didn't get an answer Could we maybe say 70% of the size of Earth? 60%, maybe? > for: Which of the StH episodes has Robotnik looking at a MAP of Mobius). I > think that 250 million people is(was) a good estimation though. Although I > like to believe that there are very few people left. In my world, Robotnik I would rather not believe there are "very few" left. If they started with a population of 250,000,000, a 99% loss would take them down to 2,500,000. A 99.99% loss would be down to 25,000. If the only Mobians left are those we've seen in the cartoons and comics plus those in fan stories, we may as well say Robotnik has succeeded. Either 250 million is too high, or there must be other survivors underground and on the Floating Island who we've not seen yet. > started taking over the farthest cities from Mobotropolis. This way, the King > would have a less chance to find out what's happening. (The Great War?) Then, > after taking over a closer city or location, Robotnik would destroy the old > city, and all of it's inhabitants, thus avoiding the hastle of looking over > the prisioners. When Robotnik finaly got to Mobotropolis, the King didn't > suspect anything because there were no reports (all the inhabitants who could > tell about it were dead with their cities). Thus, Robotnik managed to get > everybody by surprise, and once again, to avoid the hastle of prisioners and > satisfy his hunger for violence, killed/roboticised the inhabitants. I like the overall line of reasoning, but what about residents of an undestroyed village who go visit a destroyed village (not knowing what had happened)? Surely word would get back to the King, and I don't think he's foolish enough to not investigate such reports. Or do we assume that inter-village travel is something they just didn't to very much of? > BTW - (what does BTW stand for?) There are 80 subscribers, about 10 everyday > posters. About 500 to 1000 people on Mobius, about 50 to 100 are freedom > fighter. Any similarities? :') If Mobius went from 250,000,000 to <=1000 (that over -99.9995%), I think I'd be about ready to cry for them.:-( And nothing could possibly be adequate punishment for 'buttnik and Snively wiping out >249.9 million innocent Mobians. BTW, "BTW" means "by the way". Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 01:22:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA02460 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:03 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA02453 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:01 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA09474 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:30 -0500 Message-ID: <960107012028_34104078@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Peolpe posting to the list. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 02:31:54 EST, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: >To add to the words of Dmitri (which were as follows) >>80 SUBSCRIBERS?! How come I saw only about ten of then? No >>wait, I can answer that. They are either too busy, can't call at >>the time, or just don't care. > >OR ARE ONLY HERE ON WEEKENDS!!!!!!!!!!! HOW COME THE ONLY >PERSON WHO EVER MENTIONS ME SPECIFICALLY IS >ABLATER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Sorry, I know you're a newbie and >all and therefore wouldn't know that the reason I was >on every day was cuz of vacation...BUT I JUST GOT 560+ MESSAGES >IN MY E-MAIL AND I'M KINDA WIGGING OUT HAVING TO SORT 'EM >ALL TO DIFFERENT FOLDERS CUZ I CAN'T DELETE 'EM ALL CUZ SOME >ARE IMPORTANT!!!!!! The parental unit strikes again :') ! I take pascal, so when I get my mail ready (during lunch in school), I just tell them that I have pascal homework (which I do, really) and send out the messages in about three minutes. So far it seems to work pretty good. Good luck with your 560+ mail! "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 01:33:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA02451 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:53 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA02445 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:50 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA17362 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960107012018_34103957@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Another game suggestion. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 09:36:50 EST, Doug LoConti wrote: >>I have another game suggestion: >> >>Ever since I saw and played my first Sonic game, I wished that >>someone would make a game where Sonic doesn't have a speed >>limit. Maybe in this game, when Sonic uses a power ring, the >>speed limit could be the power limit of the computer. You could >>use something like press and hold forward to accelerate, let go >>to slow down, and press back to hit the breaks. I know that that >>might sound more like a car racing game, but then, I would really >>like to see Sonic break the speed (and videogame :') ) barrier on a >>home computer screen! > >Suggestion NOTED! I always get sad, too, when our blue buddy >can't out run some of Robo's banicks. One problem with this is, (I >don't know if you've seen it,) in some very face-paced games, the >screen cannot keep up with the fast moving charachter(s). Yea, I've seen that happen (It's the only way to travel in Sonic 2 :') ). Once again, my friend came up with a solution: When Sonic grabs(takes out a power ring), mace the backgrounds blurred, and thus simple. Also put blinking warning arrows on the edge of the screen to warn of an incoming platform (so you will have time to react, and jump onto it). Well, maybe you can skip the arrows, but I think that the blur is a good idea. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 01:44:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA02469 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:08 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA02464 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:06 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA04509 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:35 -0500 Message-ID: <960107012035_34104135@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: My theory. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 02:29:59 EST, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: >Dmitry, your theory's possible; it was probably a combination of >factors. One of the deciding factors was that DiC put out at least >one animation cell from the show without Sega's permission. As >for us being ashamed to watch it in public, I'd have to agree; I >have told nobody but my family, closest friends, and, naturally, >fellow Sonic fans, what exactly it is that I get up at 6:50 on >Sundays to tape, referring to it as only, "You know...that >one...with the thing..." I know what you mean. I didn't even tell my parents yet. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 01:53:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA02478 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:23 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA02473 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:21:21 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA17469 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:20:44 -0500 Message-ID: <960107012042_34104196@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: People posting on the list. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 02:06:34 EST, Robin Hood wrote: >>By the way. You poeple who just listen, but don't write, SUCK! >>Come on! We need help with our game! We need Sonic info! We >>need REAL Sonic fans! > >Don't throw that word around too loosely. Except for my stories >and one comment about them, this is the first I have posted to >this list in ages. And I would take offense to you telling me that I >'SUCK' if I thought that you meant it personally. I actually wrote that to get attention of people who didn't participate. I think it worked pretty well, as you can see. I saw at least three new people that I haven't heard of before. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 03:34:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA09168 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 03:06:41 -0500 Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com (ix9.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.9]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA09161 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 03:06:38 -0500 Received: from ix-spr-ma1-07.ix.netcom.com by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AAA18768; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:06:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 00:06:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199601070806.AAA18768@ix9.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: danramos@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Dan Ramos Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 12:18 AM 1/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >By the way, You people who just listen, but don't write, SUCK! Come on! We >need help with our game! We need Sonic info! We need REAL Sonic fans! Uhh.. don't insult the constituants... first rule of making allies. :P Besides... most of us who are LISTENING, DOOD, aren't exactly bubbling over with lots of ideas or information--we're here to LISTEN for stuff we haven't seen, heard or thought up. If everyone was exciteable and wanted to be on stage, there wouldn't be an audience. So apreciate the ones who DO lurk... it's ALWAYS nice to have participation, but I do think insulting was pushing it a bit. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 11:26:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA02630 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:06:17 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA02625 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:06:13 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06927 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:08:00 GMT Received: (bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA17769; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:06:34 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:06:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Anyone else want an RPG? In-Reply-To: <199601030418.VAA31523@hp9000.eita8net.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Theres an RPG of Sonic.......Send me a Copy would you.. Thanks Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ..oo$00ooo.. ..ooo00$oo. .o$$$$$$$$$' '$$$$$$$$$o. .o$$$$$$$$$" . . "$$$$$$$$$o. .o$$$$$$$$$$~ /$ $\ ~$$$$$$$$$$o. .{$$$$$$$$$$$. $\___/$ .$$$$$$$$$$$}. o$$$$$$$$$$$$8 .$$$$$$$. 8$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. o$$$$$$$o .$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. o{$$$$$$$}o .$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ^$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. J$$$$$$$$$$$L .$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$^ !$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$oo..oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$oo..oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! {$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$} 6$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$? 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From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 11:38:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA02820 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:11:18 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA02815 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:11:14 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06939 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:12:40 GMT Received: (bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA17778; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:11:14 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:11:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I loved D&D.... 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From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 11:40:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA03244 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:33:49 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA03239 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:33:44 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06955 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:35:26 GMT Received: (bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA17826; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:33:59 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:33:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Subject: RE: Perv Directory Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net IS it me, or does the idea of someone getting excited over a Hedgehog and a Squirel doing it, make you kinda nasuuse (Sick)..... ;=-? 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From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 11:59:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA03371 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:39:48 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA03366 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:39:43 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06980 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:41:24 GMT Received: (bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.6.12) id QAA17836; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:39:57 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:39:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net BTW stands for By The Way... 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From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 14:33:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA13017 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:10:09 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA12994 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:10:05 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16199; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:10:00 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id OAA02754; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:09:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199601071909.OAA02754@edmund> Subject: Re: Sally and Sonic (fwd) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:09:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: tedp@WPI.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Erich Schulman" at Jan 6, 96 09:06:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > I was reading the synopses of past issues of the Sonic comic book (in > this list's FAQ), and I came across one synopsis (for Sonic #18) that > mentioned Robotnick learning of Sonic and Sally's "impending" wedding. > Was this wedding part of the fantasy induced by Robotnick in Sleepy > Hollow, or was the wedding for real? Are they married now? > > Please let me know, as these issues came out before I subscribed to the > comic. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog > > Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) > perrottit.mbr@asme.org > As it turns out, the "wedding" of Sonic & Sally was actually part of a summer stock production. Didn't mean to spoil it for ya! We now return you to your regularly scheduled rodent. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\_ _-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 15:10:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA14894 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:48:50 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA14873 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:48:44 -0500 From: DRED13@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA24945 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:48:13 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:48:13 -0500 Message-ID: <960107144811_34437205@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: OUTTA HERE!!!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I'm sorry everyone, but I gotta' quit this Sonic mailing list stuff. It takes WAY too long to run it through my flash sessions, and I need to spend as little time on AOL as I possibly can! So if anyone wants my drawings or would like to just say hello, then you'll just have to E-MAIL me. PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE IN THE SONIC MAILING LIST BECAUSE I WON'T BE ABLE TO READ IT. DRED13@aol.com P.S.----- Have fun with this homemade game thingy..... Hope you can pull it off. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 15:56:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA17120 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:35:48 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA17115 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:35:46 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA23563; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:35:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: ASCII Sonic (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to ah518@leo.nmc.edu. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:38:47 -0500 (EST) From: ARTHUR JOHN FREDA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: ASCII Sonic What do you think of this? I'm not on this list, so please reply to my e-mail address to tell me what you think! ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ - //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___- (@@ __/ / /_ -_____--- --_ // \ \\ ___- //|\__/ \\ \ \_-\_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /_____\ /___\ A.J. Freda Mac: "So sue me! How was I supposed to know that ah518@leo.nmc.edu was your sister's car back there?" "Tails" on IRC Molly: "You always hated my side of the family!" SWATKATSWATKATSWATKATSWATKATSWATKATSWATKATSWATKATSWATKATSWATKATSWATKATS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 17:18:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA20993 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:35:38 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA20988 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:35:33 -0500 Received: from anx_30.global.co.za (anx_30.global.co.za [196.3.164.80]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00903 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:27:42 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:27:42 GMT Message-Id: <199602072327.XAA00903@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: DOS or WINDOZE Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net We interrupt this topic (Sorry) for a shameless plug about the up and coming Sonic game. The game requires mass system resources, and I'm going to be squezing clock ticks out of your little processor till you can cook pizzas (very small ones) between the CPU fan and CPU. Using skip-frame technology, and multi detail levels, even a Pentium-133 with double barrel carburettor, overhead cam, 12 speed-electic gearbox and watercooling won't be getting 1000 frames a second,=20 just detail that'll blow your mind. While the good old "betsy" machine will be getting reasonable quality, but not "jerkiness."=20 >What's a mettle? Mettle is what a characters soul is made out of, IE.. "Where is you mettle now great warrior?" and then, "I never lost it fool, and for daring to say what you have I.." well, you get the idea. Twisted Mettle it's a pun, cause there's plenty of twisted rusted metal in Roboland, and there's also plenty of twisted mettle in you, if you've seen everyone you love robotocized or killed. Get the idea? :) Let's just see whether it's metal or mettle that's twisted when the game ends.=20 Someone asked about the obstacle course thing, and I agree.. hell I want realism, we've all seen Mario and played it about half a zillion times till we get these mega finger muscles and crush people's throats etc.. but that's not really on topic.. the point is.. I don't like obstacle courses.. and besides those swingy gizmos are hard to code. Now with the flying characters, well I'l see what I can stick in and what not.. remember there's not enough coffie in Africa to put *everything* in, course that's what sequels are for... well I'll see what I can do... I'll give it my best shot.= =20 Hell I want something gripping, something where when the final boss toasts you, you scream you feel pain, then violently bash you monitor in, not seeing or feeling the blood seeping over your hands, then you begin kicking the refridgerator door, till you get your hands on some coffie.. then you hijack a weather station to get their CRAY-XMP, to get more FPS.. and they end up calling up the SWAT-Team in who shoot you off while you're drinking your coffie... but hell ... as you bleed to death you say.. "It sure was= fun." Cheers Um.. can you guys mail questions to me or mighty instead... the list guys are my friends, and it's not really fair clogging their list up with junk about Swat-teams, CRAY-XMP's and computer-car-talk.=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = |=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 17:30:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA23441 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:54:07 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA23432 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:54:05 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA10817 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:34 -0500 Message-ID: <960107165333_34549104@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Twisted METTLE? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 13:56:46 EST, Iggy "Optimus" Drougge wrote: >> Also, why Mettle? >What's a mettle? That's what I would like to know. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 17:37:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA23506 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:56:43 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA23501 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:56:40 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA04574 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:56:10 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:56:10 -0500 Message-ID: <960107165608_34551366@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Poeple posting on the list. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net As ive said before: That small insult was not ment as an insult. It worked very well in attracting people to say something, and show that they didn't "die" or something. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 17:39:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA23430 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:54:02 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA23425 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:59 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA13159 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: <960107165326_34549007@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 16:35:43 EST, David Gonterman wrote: >In a message dated 96-01-02 01:22:44 EST, you write: >>If you have seen Blast to the Past, you may might notice that >>Snively once called him Uncle Julian. >> >> >That was *one* of the many things I hint on in BAM, as well as >the *screaming* revelation that freedom fighter Davey Drockett >was in fact David Kintobor, Robotnik's eldest son! Dang, talk >about your dysfunctional families... Where did you get that from? (What do you mean?) (just curious) "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 17:44:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA23403 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:38 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA23397 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:31 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA21878 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <960107165259_34548577@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sally and Sonic Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 21:31:12 EST, Erich Schulman wrote: >I was reading the synopses of past issues of the Sonic comic book >(in this list's FAQ), and I came across one synopsis (for Sonic >#18) that mentioned Robotnick learning of Sonic and Sally's >"impending" wedding. Was this wedding part of the fantasy >induced by Robotnick in Sleepy Hollow, or was the wedding for >real? Are they married now? > >Please let me know, as these issues came out before I subscribed >to the comic. I think that all of this was real, but the marriage didn't do through, due to Robotnik. So, I gues the answer is: No, they are not maried. "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 17:45:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA23421 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:56 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA23414 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:51 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA20003 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960107165318_34548889@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why not a game list? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 16:46:32 EST, Ratman wrote: >On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > >>>Why don't we make a list for this project. That way, everybody >>>will know what everybody else is doing at the moment. Plus, >>>the game will turn out a LOT more organized (Let's hope we >>>don't hit the saving Robuttnik sceme:'). I have seen these kind of >>>things happen). In fact, why don't we just use this list? That >>>way, the money will be saved, the info will be sent, and the >>>viewers will see the update on the game! >>>> >>I don't think having everything on this list is hurting anyone.... I >>think it's more of a pain to jump back and forth from two lists, >>minding what you post where. > >It will probably annoy a lot of people if you takeover a list for >your own purpose, just because it's vaguely on-topic. Don't do it. Anybody who thinks that this will be annoying, say "I". (Maybe this will help decide) "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 17:52:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA24347 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:35:03 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA24332 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:34:59 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA10598 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: <960107165309_34548761@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: We are sorry for the inconven. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-06 17:25:33 EST, Ratman wrote: >On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > >>>The RPG sounds okay to me... >>> >>> >>>>< >>> >>>Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. >>> ^^^ >>> | >> | >> I LOVE this quote...don't know where you got it, but >>it's awesome... >This is a perfect example of what NOT to post to the list. This is >something that should have gone to just the author. Understand? >And do not reply to this to the list about this or I will really >start to get annoyed. I think I say this for everyone when I say: We are sorry for being annoying. We will try not to let that happen again :') From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 19:15:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA27773 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:37:26 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA27768 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:37:24 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA05958; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:37:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:37:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why not a game list? In-Reply-To: <960107165318_34548889@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 7 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > On 96-01-06 16:46:32 EST, Ratman wrote: > > >On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > > > >>I don't think having everything on this list is hurting anyone.... I > >>think it's more of a pain to jump back and forth from two lists, >>minding > what you post where. > > > >It will probably annoy a lot of people if you takeover a list for >your own > purpose, just because it's vaguely on-topic. Don't do it. > > > Anybody who thinks that this will be annoying, say "I". > (Maybe this will help decide) I don't see how 2 lists would be a great inconvenience. But that's a moot point because the Sonic list is run not by the mob but by the list owners. Not one cent of your tuition or connect time fees pays for the costs of operating the list, rat.org, and all the machines in between. If you might want to pay some of these costs and maybe get some "say", send mail directly to rat@rat.org. Membership in *any* mailing list is not a right or entitlement, and subscription to any mailing list does not grant you authority to set its policy. If you have anyting to say with regard to a possible second list, send mail directly to sonic@rat.org or rat@rat.org. Do not post this to the Sonic list. I have already published over the list that most posts related to the PC game are inappropriate for the list. If this is not observed, we can convert the Sonic list to fully moderated status and only approved messages will be seen by anyone. Replies to this message or messages on other administrative issues should be sent to sonic@rat.org and not to the entire list. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Member of Team OS/2 Manager, "Sonic the Hedgehog" mailing list Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 20:24:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA01536 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:42:00 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA01531 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:41:57 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA05786; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:41:57 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:41:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why not a game list? In-Reply-To: <960107165318_34548889@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 7 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > On 96-01-06 16:46:32 EST, Ratman wrote: > > >On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > > > >>>Why don't we make a list for this project. That way, everybody >>>will > know what everybody else is doing at the moment. Plus, >>>the game will turn > out a LOT more organized (Let's hope we >>>don't hit the saving Robuttnik > sceme:'). I have seen these kind of >>>things happen). In fact, why don't we > just use this list? That >>>way, the money will be saved, the info will be > sent, and the >>>viewers will see the update on the game! > >>>> > >>I don't think having everything on this list is hurting anyone.... I > >>think it's more of a pain to jump back and forth from two lists, >>minding > what you post where. > > > >It will probably annoy a lot of people if you takeover a list for >your own > purpose, just because it's vaguely on-topic. Don't do it. > > > Anybody who thinks that this will be annoying, say "I". > (Maybe this will help decide) No, how's this for deciding. Anyone even MEANTIONING the PC game on this list will be removed for a week. Understand? This is effective on Monday since it might take awhile for it to get to everyone. If you want to talk about this, write me or sonic@rat.org If you feel the need to talk about the PC game, I can setup a mailing list just to talk about the PC game. It's not fair to have people subscribe to a list because they think it will be about the Sonic characters, and end up it having being overrun with posts about a PC game. I'm not going to let this happen. No way. We've already had one person unsubscribe because of so many posts being about this. We're here to talk about Sonic and the freedom fighters, remember? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 22:33:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA11750 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:19:38 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA11745 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:19:35 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA09799 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:19:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:19:04 -0500 Message-ID: <960107221903_85665813@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Perv Directory. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: RE: Perv Directory On 96-01-07 11:43:54 EST, Symon Kielb wrote: >IS it me, or does the idea of someone getting excited over a >Hedgehog and a Squirel doing it, make you kinda nasuuse (Sick)..... >;=-? > > >And yes i know my spelling sucks. try living with it.... Hi Symon! Glad to hear from a new (address?) That's what I thought. Glad that Perv directory is gone. And about your spelling... So what? it's not like we can't read it. Youre doing fine with it :') . "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 7 23:59:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA16241 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:46:28 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA16160 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:46:23 -0500 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA27781 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:46:21 -0500 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25565 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:46:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199601080446.XAA25565@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: The comic artists. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:46:19 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960107165608_34551366@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 7, 96 04:56:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2643 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > As ive said before: > That small insult was not ment as an insult. It worked very well in > attracting people to say something, and show that they didn't "die" or > something. > Ooh, another Quayle-ism. "It wasn't what it was." Got any more? :) And by the way, don't you think a little more polite way to try and get people to post would be simply to ASK? No matter what you wanted it to sound like, saying people 'SUCK' was pretty darn rude. Now, on another note, I'm seeing all sorts of posts about this video game, and that role playing game, that, frankly, I have not the foggiest idea about and, again frankly, don't really want to. The Sonic universe, in its 4 different forms, was quite confusing enough before we stepped in and spiced up the soup even more with God-knows-how-many new characters, theories, explanations and, <> shall we say, 'imaginative' drawings. So, I'm starting my own thread, one that I, who at this point am only keeping up with the comic book and occasionally writing some fan-fic that focuses on the true-blue Sonic characters, not our several thousand extentions. The subject: What do you all think of the artists for the comic book lately? My rundown: Spaziante: Definitely one of the best. It's kind of a shame they don't use him for this publication more often, but given the way he creates the characters.. it might be easy to see why. Don't want any parental complaints, hehe. :) Mawhinney: Very nice style: 'toon, but not childish. Very consistent, too. He makes the characters look the same no matter what the angle or position. Manak: Boy, Mawhinney and Spaziante are the best for this comic! Penders: Not too bad, but I think he kinda ruined Geoffrey St. John. Gallagher: His art matches his writing style: exagerated in that 'toon- super-hero kind of way, with plenty of puns thrown in for effect. However, I don't think it works too well in the Sonic universe. laters---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 00:13:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA17720 for sonic-ll; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:55:26 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA17715 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:55:21 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA15173 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:55:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:55:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199601080555.WAA15173@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: RPG on its way. To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net My RPG is on its way. Wait awhile, if it doesn't arrive, E-mail ME! not the sonic list. All comments are to ME! not the list. Now that's over.... How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 00:57:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA18744 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:42:06 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA18739 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:42:03 -0500 Received: from by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id FAA06565; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 05:39:46 GMT Received: by (5.0/8.6.9) id AA28314 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:33:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:33:37 -0500 Message-Id: <9601080533.AA28314@> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: The comic artists. From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 1083 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Jan 07, 1996 23:46:19, 'gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood)' wrote: >and spiced up the soup even more with God-knows-how-many new characters, >theories, explanations and, <> shall we say, 'imaginative' drawings. >So, I'm starting my own thread, one that I, who at this point am only >keeping up with the comic book and occasionally writing some fan-fic that >focuses on the true-blue Sonic characters, not our several thousand >extentions. *frowns* Hey! Excuse me for trying to write a story, and develop a character. >:/ I'm not trying to write to get publicity here, i'm trying to make good stores, along with developing another character. After reading some of the stores I saw on the page, I was hooked on them. I just decided to try and write a story. I'm sorry if you dont like the idea of other characters being mixed in with the stories, but look at bookshire. In most of these stories, i dont see how they could be made well without him. I know you're not pointing the finger at anyone in particular on this subject, but that did offend me. Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 01:40:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA21627 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:29:08 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA21622 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:29:06 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA29483 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:28:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <960108012834_34997507@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-07 00:41:12 EST, Erich Schulman wrote: >> Well, First of all, Mobius isn't that big. >Could we maybe say 70% of the size of Earth? 60%, maybe? >From what I remember, the episode map mentioned earlier had only two continetnts, One small (almous like an island) and one (where Ro(Mo)botropolis is located) is much bigger. Well, Earth started out with one continent too, so, maybe youre right, and I am wrong. I think that the only person who could answer that would be Mr. Julian himself. (But, since I've seen you guys prove quite a lot of interesting stuff yourselves, maybe I am wrong again) Keep the argument going. Preserve the list. Preserve Knothole. (I don't get that?) SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 01:48:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA21645 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:29:35 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA21636 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:29:32 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA06586 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:29:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: <960108012900_34997730@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Issue #31 of StH Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net WARNING, MIGHT BE SOME SPOILERS About a week ago, I bought my first issue of Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog comic. The art is done by Ken Penders, so if you know this authors, you know what to expect. In this issue, Jeofry St. John comes back and helps Sally and Sonic defeat a new robot. The topic I want to discuss is Jeofry St. John (or as my friend calls him "That skunk dude"). Was he so popular in Sally's solo stories? He doesn't seem so much of a good character to me? And who is he, anyway? At the end of the comic, there's a message to the reader, asking for a vote on who should Sally go out with, Sonic, or Jeofry. I deffinetly think Sonic. I wrote (but forgot if I sent :') ) them a letter saying that "Why doesn't Sally see who really loves her? All jeofry does is lipwrestle, and flatter her with his words. Sonic, on the other hand, risks his life for Sally everyday, and tries to do everything possible to keep her safe. My friend (from now on Mike P.S. I might be sending some of his messages later on, but only as a last resort) thinks that "That skunk dude" should just go and ever be used in these stories again. Any other opinions or explanations on this character? There is a knuckles solo story included in this comic. Since I missed the earlier comics, could someone fill me in on what's going on? The third story in this comic is a Rotor solo story (You heard me right). Mistakes, mistakes, mistakes! First of all, rotor goes to see his family near the north pole. Acording to our fanfic, Knotholians had their parents killed, roboticized, or sent through a hole in the wall. Rotor finds (and was expecting to find) his whole family, along with the rest of the group of walruses (I'd say all of them). Well, maybe Archie doesn't follow our fanfic, so I wont send flames there. But, on page 5 of Rotor's story, I found a very interesting quote, "It'll take too long to negotiate my sub that far..." (I carefully checked that to make it letter for letter). Now I bet you don't see that everyday :')! How would you negotiate a sub?! Personaly, I enjoy these little script mistakes, makes the comic a lot more fun (Kind of a Where's Waldo type of thing). And the typo, naturally (or logically) since it's a correctly spelled word, the word procecor skipped it, and negotiated with a sub. Maybe the writer's words "negotiate" were put there because the Sonic comic group is working on some big (or small) Sonic project (although I think that the odds on this are very small). Also in Sonicgrams, there is a mentioning on Knuckles' miniseries #1 comming out in April (I am personally against Knuckles for some reason ), and a Sonic 48-page special, Super Sonic VS. Hyper Knuckles coming out some time in the future (this should be interesting). The picture of the front cover of the upcoming comic looks really good. Maybe the #32 issue will be drawn by one of the more liked artists mentioned on this list (Hope-Hope). Well, I think that that's all I could say on this comic, except that there is a "Back Issue Order" page that includes Sonic miniseries 1 and 3, and Sonic "In your face" special. Also it has an order form for all of Tails mini series (yes, all of them). BTW - This comic is Not, I repeat NOT, filled up with slapstick. Maybe one per story. So there's a good part about this comic too, for all of you who are fed up with slapstick, or just want to read a normall, not so childish, comic (Also, Jeofry plants one on Sally twice. Bad Boy). Maybe, as someone mentioned it with a TMNT comic, the movement towards reality in Sonic comics has begun. (double Hope-Hope). SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 02:10:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA24198 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:58:38 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA24193 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:58:35 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id BAA13636; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:58:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:58:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. In-Reply-To: <960108012834_34997507@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > From what I remember, the episode map mentioned earlier had only two > continetnts, One small (almous like an island) and one (where > Ro(Mo)botropolis is located) is much bigger. Well, Earth started out with one > continent too, so, maybe youre right, and I am wrong. I think that the only > person who could answer that would be Mr. Julian himself. (But, since I've A continent is usually thought of as being a very large area. We do have the Floating Island in the comics, and it might be large enough to qualify as a continent. If the Floating Island doesn't move around very much, I wonder what life under it would be like (a little shadowy, yes) and what sorts of plants would still be able to grow on the ground below. The comics also introduce the concept of there being >=2 continents on the planet with one being where Knothole and M/Robotropolis are and one being the home of the Downunda Freedom Fighters. Only Julian? I think Snively has more of an IQ than Robotnik thinks -- only that he can't show it -- and he could probably tell us too. And I'm sure Sally and Rotor would know too, but of course they aren't people (humans). Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 02:19:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA24205 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:58:44 -0500 Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com (ix11.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA24200 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:58:42 -0500 Received: from ix-spr-ma1-27.ix.netcom.com by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA24005; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:58:04 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:58:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199601080658.WAA24005@ix11.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: danramos@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Dan Ramos Subject: Re: Why not a game list? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Anybody who thinks that this will be annoying, say "I". >(Maybe this will help decide) I personally am getting quite sick of seing the fan-version Sonic game on this list and, with all the traffic it's making, would rather see it have its OWN list... and anyone who would get 'confused' by going between two lists like that must be either unable to read the FROM line, or else gets confused very easily and gets my condolences. Regardless... I have something CONSTRUCTIVE to post to this list concerning Sonic MATERIALS!! I just got TWO Sonic the Hedgehog BIRTHDAY CARDS from my sister (who gets me all kindsa Sonic related stuff whenever she sees 'em!) :) Both cards have the same UPC: 074720007540 One card (model 235 BJ170-0438) has a picture of Sonic on the cover, appearing to clap his hands with a large glittery (with real glitter) set of smoke clouds behind him. The inside reads: WHOOOOSH! He's burnin', sneakers churnin'-- Sonic's comin' through... He's zoomin' fast and blastin' past With wishes just for you! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! HAVE A SUPERSONIC DAY! The other card (model 235 BJ001-0572) has a picture of Sonic looking straight at you with fists on his hip and tails right beside him on his right with a quirky smirk and hobbling up beside Sonic's left side. Across the top of the card, in red shiny letters, it reads, "What's a hedgehog to do..." The inside reads: ...but wish you a birthday full of Supersonic Fun! These cards are made in the USA by: GIBSON GREETINGS, INC. Cincinnati, Ohio 45237 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 07:15:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA06395 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:35:37 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA06390 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:35:34 -0500 Received: from dial-29.en.net (dial-29.en.net [204.89.181.229]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA18333 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:50:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:50:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601081150.GAA18333@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: RPG on its way. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Now that's over.... > How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? >From the series or ones that WE made up? If you're talking about ones that WE made up, I'd probably say Bookshire. The series? Probably Sonic & Sally, (since they are both 16). =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 07:26:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA06495 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:40:06 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA06474 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:40:03 -0500 Received: from dial-29.en.net (dial-29.en.net [204.89.181.229]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA18506 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:54:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 06:54:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601081154.GAA18506@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Mobius population. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > >> From what I remember, the episode map mentioned earlier had only two >> continetnts, One small (almous like an island) and one (where >> Ro(Mo)botropolis is located) is much bigger. Well, Earth started out with= one >> continent too, so, maybe youre right, and I am wrong. I think that the= only >> person who could answer that would be Mr. Julian himself. (But, since= I've I'd say that there may be OTHER places unexplored. I mean, com'on, let's think about this for a second. Robotnik comes to town for ONE day, robotisizing EVERYONE. On such notice, SOME may have gotton away...to...other, "secret", unheard of places? Hmm... ponderous. =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 09:30:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA12649 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:27:50 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA12644 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:27:47 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04230; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:27:43 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA10260; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:27:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199601081327.IAA10260@edmund> Subject: Re: RPG on its way. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:27:42 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601080555.WAA15173@hp9000.eita8net.com> from "hoch@eita8net.com" at Jan 7, 96 10:55:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? > In the animated series, the Knothole residents are in a dead heat at 16 (cf. my FAQ File for data on determining their ages). They are all contemporaries in their mid-teens. Rosie is a resident of Knothole but hardly an active FF, so I guess her age doesn't matter. In the fanfic division, Bookshire has been described as being in his "mid-30s" [just a memory for yours truly!]. In one fanfic I'm working on, I have Bookshire referring to someone as "son" and [in the third person] as "that boy" -- after all, he is (just barely) old enough to be the father of some of the freedom fighters. That would be an interesting angle to explore for some fanfic writer(s). ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\_ -- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 09:41:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA12935 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:39:23 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA12930 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:39:20 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04421; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:39:16 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA10995; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:39:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199601081339.IAA10995@edmund> Subject: Re: The comic artists. To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:39:15 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601080446.XAA25565@acmex.gatech.edu> from "Robin Hood" at Jan 7, 96 11:46:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > The subject: What do you all think of the artists for the comic book lately? > My rundown: > > Spaziante: Definitely one of the best. It's kind of a shame they don't > use him for this publication more often, but given the way he creates the > characters.. it might be easy to see why. Don't want any parental > complaints, hehe. :) > Agreed. Probably the best of the lot. Based on the page layout of Sonic #25 it's easy to see why he's not used more often: his style is too unconventional when compared with other comic artists (which is probably what I like about it). His Sally is, indeed, the sexiest. > Mawhinney: Very nice style: 'toon, but not childish. Very consistent, too. > He makes the characters look the same no matter what the angle or position. > Best "conventional" artist, strong on keeping characters on-model. > Manak: Boy, Mawhinney and Spaziante are the best for this comic! > The veteran of the series. Unfortunately, his style is too "cartooney" by comparison. Suited to Gallagher's jokey scripts. > Penders: Not too bad, but I think he kinda ruined Geoffrey St. John. > So far, this writer-turned-artist has only drawn the Sonic characters once (#31), having had more experience with the Chaotix cast. Still willing to reserve judgment. > Gallagher: His art matches his writing style: exagerated in that 'toon- > super-hero kind of way, with plenty of puns thrown in for effect. > However, I don't think it works too well in the Sonic universe. > Exactly; whatever its technical merits, it's just wrong for these characters. My $.02 =============================================================== || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 09:41:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA13092 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:44:12 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA13087 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:44:10 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04602; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:44:02 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA11154; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:44:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199601081344.IAA11154@edmund> Subject: Re: Twisted METTLE? To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:44:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960107165333_34549104@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 7, 96 04:53:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > On 96-01-06 13:56:46 EST, Iggy "Optimus" Drougge wrote: > > >> Also, why Mettle? > > >What's a mettle? > > That's what I would like to know. > "METTLE: characteristic disposition or temperament." Thus, "Twisted Mettle" is not only a pun, it also describes something about the character/protagonist(?) of the story. It's called a dictionary. Use it. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 09:47:59 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA15701 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:08:55 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA15693 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:08:51 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA29732 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:08:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 9:07:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960108090751.4d0e@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: RE: Perv Directory Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:33:59 +0000 (GMT) >From: Symon Kielb >IS it me, or does the idea of someone getting excited over a Hedgehog and >a Squirel doing it, make you kinda nasuuse (Sick)..... ;=-? No more so than a black/white human couple, as long as they get married first :^) One nice thing about the furry stories I've seen is that miscegenation (look it up, though a different word probably applies to species :^)) isn't much of a problem. >And yes i know my spelling sucks. try living with it.... Actually, it's your 24-line Batman .sig that I have problems with - it's cute the first time, but try deleting it for future posts. Thanks. RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 11:33:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA24330 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:12:23 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA24325 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:12:21 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA13304; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:12:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:12:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: RPG on its way. In-Reply-To: <199601081150.GAA18333@en.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > > Now that's over.... > > How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? > > From the series or ones that WE made up? If you're talking about ones that > WE made up, I'd probably say Bookshire. The series? Probably Sonic & > Sally, (since they are both 16). What about Uncle Chuck? He is on our side now. I don't recall his exact age, if ever given to us, but he is clearly portrayed as older than 16. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 11:55:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA24411 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:16:13 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA24401 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:16:10 -0500 Received: from usr3.primenet.com (root@usr3.primenet.com [198.68.32.13]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA24022 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr3.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA14338; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:16:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:16:08 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: RPG on its way. In-Reply-To: <199601081327.IAA10260@edmund> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Dan Drazen wrote: > division, Bookshire has been described as being in his "mid-30s" [just a Actually, now, you can get the exact birthdates of my characters from the Character Profiles link in my stories page. I replaced their ages with birthdates because lots of people were starting to write stories and play tinyplots on the MUCKs that took place in lots of different time ranges. In fact, I'll jsut give them to all of you now... (These are based on the geocentric assumption that Mobius has a twelve month calandar and uses our names for the months so everyone can understand it) Bookshire Draftwood: July 12, 3200 Cmdr Packbell: March 18, 3225 Sandra Nightweaver: October 31, 3205 > memory for yours truly!]. In one fanfic I'm working on, I have > Bookshire referring to someone as "son" and [in the third person] as > "that boy" -- after all, he is (just barely) old enough to be the father > of some of the freedom fighters. That would be an interesting angle to > explore for some fanfic writer(s). Already done...eventually, I'll get around to finishing "Memories", a story regarding Bookshire's past and events that almost led to him becoming a father...but then something happened...something always seems to happen, doesn't it. No details, sorry. You'll all have to read the story once it's done. +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 12:33:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA28812 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:14:19 -0500 Received: from rgfn.epcc.Edu ([206.42.175.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA28807 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:14:16 -0500 Received: by rgfn.epcc.Edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06562; Mon, 8 Jan 96 10:14:12 MST Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 10:14:12 MST Message-Id: <9601081714.AA06562@rgfn.epcc.Edu> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: (Off-Sub) Message to Sonic@FurryMUCK Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I appoligize for this off-sub post, but I need to send a message to Sonic @ FurryMUCK. Sonic, I need to know what time you usually log in at FurryMUCK. Every time I go there, you're asleep. I need to find out when I can login, so we can work out sleeping arrangements. Thanx in advance... Miles_Prower a.k.a. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 13:18:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA02662 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:04:24 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA02657 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:04:22 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA26197; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:04:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:04:21 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: (Off-Sub) Message to Sonic@FurryMUCK In-Reply-To: <9601081714.AA06562@rgfn.epcc.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, John W. Johnston wrote: > I appoligize for this off-sub post, but I need to send a message > to Sonic @ FurryMUCK. > > Sonic, > I need to know what time you usually log in at FurryMUCK. Every > time I go there, you're asleep. I need to find out when I can login, so > we can work out sleeping arrangements. > Thanx in advance... Don't do this again!!! If you need to contact someone on the MUCK, use the MUCK and leave them a page mail. page #mail sonic=your message here if you didn't know that, then you should have asked someone there, NOT the list. Ok? I have I made myself clear? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 14:05:59 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA04145 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:41:05 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA04140 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:41:01 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA06751 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:40:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199601081840.NAA06751@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 13:37:26 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug LoConti: >Sega can't touch us, since this is FANDOM, and we're not making a buck off >of it. In other words, it's legal to make this game. Not that I don't want this to be done or something like that, but if it features characters created by SEGA then it is in violation of copyright laws, because if SEGA ever decides to make a PC Sonic game, they would lose money. Who would buy a Sonic game from SEGA when they could get one for free over the Net? Fanfic and Fanart are a bit different because they don't really take profit away from the company (see ongoing legal discussion with WB in alt.tv.animaniacs or another group like that). Like I said I'd like it to be done, but don't think SEGA will ignore it if they find out about it. >If you decide to join/help our "team", you will have your name in the credits! :) >And who knows where it leads from >there.... >>hopefully<< $ega will buy our little "idea", and we'll all get >rich. Or jail time :) I wouldn't go pushing the game to SEGA after you make it if I were you. They probably wouldn't be too happy that you decided to make a game for them without their knowledge and now they're supposed to pay you for it. Other than that I'm for it, I'd just keep it low profile. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 14:20:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA04219 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:43:50 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA04214 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:43:47 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA06957 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:42:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199601081842.NAA06957@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 13:40:12 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug LoConti: >Sega can't touch us, since this is FANDOM, and we're not making a buck off >of it. In other words, it's legal to make this game. Not that I don't want this to be done or something like that, but if it features characters created by SEGA then it is in violation of copyright laws, because if SEGA ever decides to make a PC Sonic game, they would lose money. Who would buy a Sonic game from SEGA when they could get one for free over the Net? Fanfic and Fanart are a bit different because they don't really take profit away from the company (see ongoing legal discussion with WB in alt.tv.animaniacs or another group like that). Like I said I'd like it to be done, but don't think SEGA will ignore it if they find out about it. >If you decide to join/help our "team", you will have your name in the credits! :) >And who knows where it leads from >there.... >>hopefully<< $ega will buy our little "idea", and we'll all get >rich. Or jail time :) I wouldn't go pushing the game to SEGA after you make it if I were you. They probably wouldn't be too happy that you decided to make a game for them without their knowledge and now they're supposed to pay you for it. Other than that I'm for it, I'd just keep it low profile. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 14:31:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA04521 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:45:28 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA04443 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07000 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:44:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199601081844.NAA07000@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 13:41:37 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug LoConti: >Sega can't touch us, since this is FANDOM, and we're not making a buck off >of it. In other words, it's legal to make this game. Not that I don't want this to be done or something like that, but if it features characters created by SEGA then it is in violation of copyright laws, because if SEGA ever decides to make a PC Sonic game, they would lose money. Who would buy a Sonic game from SEGA when they could get one for free over the Net? Fanfic and Fanart are a bit different because they don't really take profit away from the company (see ongoing legal discussion with WB in alt.tv.animaniacs or another group like that). Like I said I'd like it to be done, but don't think SEGA will ignore it if they find out about it. >If you decide to join/help our "team", you will have your name in the credits! :) >And who knows where it leads from >there.... >>hopefully<< $ega will buy our little "idea", and we'll all get >rich. Or jail time :) I wouldn't go pushing the game to SEGA after you make it if I were you. They probably wouldn't be too happy that you decided to make a game for them without their knowledge and now they're supposed to pay you for it. Other than that I'm for it, I'd just keep it low profile. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 14:33:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA07404 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:13:28 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA07384 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:13:21 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13341 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:14:35 GMT Received: (bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA20070; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:14:32 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:14:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Subject: Perv stuff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I have nothing against ppl having s*x, no matter what race cread or colour.... Its just the image of two or more animals doing it in graphic, and explicite imagies, especially where small children could get at it when they go looking for sonic stories.... Personally i dont give to figs if you want to go and have fun over them... well thats my two pounds worth. Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ???Riddle me this, What type of man has BATS on his Brain??? From owner-sonic@bort Mon Jan 8 14:36:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA07120 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:07:27 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA07111 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:07:24 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13313 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:08:47 GMT Received: (bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.6.12) id TAA18000; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:08:36 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:08:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Subject: Furrymuck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort This may be out of context with the list......(hope not) But what is this Furry muck??? is it like a Sonic Mush/Mud?? Any way, to my other thing..... About this continent thing..... Thers ther floating island, the main bit that we see in the Saturday morning cartoon (the one with knothole in it) there must be the other continents on mobius, but we havent had any info about them.......Mabey Robutnik took them over before the main bit with Robotropolis... (oh and the signature has change as you can see......) Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ???Riddle me this, What type of man has BATS on his Brain??? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 16:07:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA12221 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:42:29 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA12211 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:42:26 -0500 Received: from l3-16.en.net (l3-16.en.net [204.89.181.176]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA23418 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:43:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:43:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601082043.PAA23418@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: RPG on its way. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > >> > Now that's over.... >> > How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? >>=20 >> From the series or ones that WE made up? If you're talking about ones= that >> WE made up, I'd probably say Bookshire. The series? Probably Sonic & >> Sally, (since they are both 16). > >What about Uncle Chuck? He is on our side now. I don't recall his exact= =20 >age, if ever given to us, but he is clearly portrayed as older than 16. > Series referring to TV series... =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 16:26:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA15065 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:04:06 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA15056 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:04:03 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11735; Mon, 8 Jan 96 14:54:27 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 41752W Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:47:36 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Twisted METTLE? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:35:06 GMT Message-Id: <96010814473655397@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: MDmitry@aol.com -> To: bort.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:34 -0500 -> Subject: Twisted METTLE? -> -> On 96-01-06 13:56:46 EST, Iggy "Optimus" Drougge wrote: -> -> >> Also, why Mettle? -> -> >What's a mettle? -> -> That's what I would like to know. -> -> "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) -> -> Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik -> COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. Mettle, roughly, means fortitude or courage. As in testing one's mettle. (Check your dictionary, kids!) rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 19:11:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA22664 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:32 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA22656 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:29 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA24727 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:59:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:59:36 -0500 Message-ID: <960108175924_35576097@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: RPG on its way. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-08 00:15:17 EST, Nomad (am I right?) wrote: > Now that's over.... > How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? If you mean in Knothole, I would have to say Sally is sixteen (Sally, Bunny, Sonic, Rotor, Dulcy, Tails, and Antoine are the "standard" freedom fighters). In fact, I think that Sally is even older that Sonic. In one of the episodes, Sonic was fifteen, and Sally was sixteen throughout the whole year (two seasons). If you are talking about the whole Mobius, I have NO idea! Got any disagreements? Send them over. SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 19:12:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA22650 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:20 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA22640 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:16 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA10038 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:59:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:59:45 -0500 Message-ID: <960108175942_35576388@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: The comic artists. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-08 00:06:32 EST, Robin Hood wrote: >The subject: What do you all think of the artists for the comic book lately? >My rundown: > >Spaziante: Definitely one of the best. It's kind of a shame they don't >use him for this publication more often, but given the way he creates the >characters.. it might be easy to see why. Don't want any parental >complaints, hehe. :) > >Mawhinney: Very nice style: 'toon, but not childish. Very consistent, too. > He makes the characters look the same no matter what the angle or position. > >Manak: Boy, Mawhinney and Spaziante are the best for this comic! > >Penders: Not too bad, but I think he kinda ruined Geoffrey St. John. > >Gallagher: His art matches his writing style: exagerated in that 'toon- > super-hero kind of way, with plenty of puns thrown in for effect. > However, I don't think it works too well in the Sonic universe. > >laters---Kris The first issue I got was drawn by Penders. After that, I seriously considered saving my money (but, since it's about my favorite hedgehog, I thought that I will by it anyway). In the comic that I got, he really did screw up Geoffry (sory if I mispelled it in the last post). The only thing I like about his work, is the (almoust complete) abcense of puns and slapstick. BTW - did you even see any of the episodes? If no, I seriously suggest that you get a hold of a copy. SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 19:12:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA22699 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:57 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA22674 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:51 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA15262 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:00:18 -0500 Message-ID: <960108180015_35576932@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-07 00:41:12 EST, Erich Schulman wrote: >> for: Which of the StH episodes has Robotnik looking at a MAP of Mobius). I >> think that 250 million people is(was) a good estimation though. Although I >> like to believe that there are very few people left. In my world, Robotnik > >I would rather not believe there are "very few" left. If they started >with a population of 250,000,000, a 99% loss would take them down to >2,500,000. A 99.99% loss would be down to 25,000. If the only Mobians >left are those we've seen in the cartoons and comics plus those in fan >stories, we may as well say Robotnik has succeeded. Well, I'd say he, how yuo said, "succeeded". His only problem is a small group of people living dangerously too close to him (dangerous for him). As for these people, all hope is not yet lost. Their families, friends, and a lot of other people who got captured all over Mobius, are robotocized, and are safe at the time. The derobotization project is on the way too. >Either 250 million is too high, or there must be other survivors >underground and on the Floating Island who we've not seen yet. Didn't you say that there were 250 million people yourself? I'm confused here. >> started taking over the farthest cities from Mobotropolis. This way, the King >> would have a less chance to find out what's happening. (The Great War?) Then, >> after taking over a closer city or location, Robotnik would destroy the old >> city, and all of it's inhabitants, thus avoiding the hastle of looking over >> the prisioners. When Robotnik finaly got to Mobotropolis, the King didn't >> suspect anything because there were no reports (all the inhabitants who could >> tell about it were dead with their cities). Thus, Robotnik managed to get >> everybody by surprise, and once again, to avoid the hastle of prisioners and >> satisfy his hunger for violence, killed/roboticised the inhabitants. I like the overall line of reasoning, but what about residents of an undestroyed village who go visit a destroyed village (not knowing what had happened)? Surely word would get back to the King, and I don't think he's foolish enough to not investigate such reports. Or do we assume that inter-village travel is something they just didn't to very much of? Ok, what about the SWAT-bots? They usually patroll these kind of places, and, By looking at the coup, I'd say they are doing their job well. In other words, anyone comes into Robotnik's city is in deep stool. Also, if anyone asks: The roboticized people are mainly, if not only, from Mobotropolis. Do you(plural) remember in Blast to the Past, the first roboticizer was tested on some dog, and then, Sir Charles was the first one to be roboticized after the testing was complete? >>about 50 to 100 are freedom fighters. >If Mobius went from 250,000,000 to <=1000 (that over -99.9995%), I think >I'd be about ready to cry for them.:-( And nothing could possibly be >adequate punishment for 'buttnik and Snively wiping out >249.9 million >innocent Mobians. There could be a couple of thousand mobians still alive. Not ALL of them are freedom fighters. And not ALL of them were killed (some were roboticized). Also, if there are, say, fifty people in each group (af civilians/freedom- fighters), that would make for about 20 FF groups (If there are 1000 people in their natural state). 2000 would make forty. And I think that 20 - 40 groups would be a nice estimate. BTW (or by the way. thaks) since Mobotropolis was the capital of the PLANET, I would think that there would be quite a lot of people living in it (say 20 million?) and when you add all of the turists, guests, people with business, and people who just got lost, I think that the number of civilians (or robots waitind to be deroboticized) would be quite high. (so stop crying, there is quite a lot of hope for them yet) SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 19:26:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA26428 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:09:56 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA26420 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 19:09:46 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA17907 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:28:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 17:28:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199601090028.RAA17907@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re:Issue #31 of Sth To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net MDitry, I have to tell you that I too am not amused with St. John. I didn't like him in the Sally stories and in this issue either. I think the inclusion of the beret was stupid and they really need to rethink his character. I am however going to include him in my second story (if the fist ever gets out) and will show him as I think he should. (No, I'm not going to do anything to destroy his character) The story will also include Nomad, (not myself, the character created by me who I use the name of) and his relation (he's a skunk) to St. John. (not a real good one) So I guess that's all, Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 20:44:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA00966 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:28:38 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA00961 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:28:35 -0500 Received: from p4-ts4.en.net (p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA18219 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:29:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:29:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601090129.UAA18219@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re:Issue #31 of Sth Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > MDitry, > I have to tell you that I too am not amused with St. John. I=20 >didn't like him in the Sally stories and in this issue either. I think the= =20 >inclusion of the beret was stupid and they really need to rethink his character. >I am however going to include him in my second story (if the fist ever gets out)=20 >and will show him as I think he should. (No, I'm not going to do anything= to=20 >destroy his character) The story will also include Nomad, (not myself, the= =20 >character created by me who I use the name of) and his relation (he's a= skunk)=20 >to St. John. (not a real good one) > So I guess that's all, > Nomad I dunno...I knida liked St. John! I scanned a pic. of him, I think he's on ratman's page... =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 20:59:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA00921 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:26:24 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA00916 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:26:14 -0500 Received: from p4-ts4.en.net (p4-ts4.en.net [206.148.85.4]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA18042 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:27:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:27:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601090127.UAA18042@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: RPG on its way. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >On 96-01-08 00:15:17 EST, Nomad (am I right?) wrote: > >> Now that's over.... >> How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? > >If you mean in Knothole, I would have to say Sally is sixteen (Sally,= Bunny, >Sonic, Rotor, Dulcy, Tails, and Antoine = are >the "standard" freedom fighters). In fact, I think that Sally is even older >that=20 >Sonic. In one of the episodes, Sonic was fifteen, and Sally was sixteen=20 >throughout the whole year (two seasons). If you are talking about the whole >Mobius, I have NO idea! >Got any disagreements? Send them over. Well, I know Mighty (my charachter) was 17. I say "was" because he was "de-aged" to suite a certain Vixie Lamenta, who was only 10. She aged to 12, I (Mighty) "de-aged" to 12, that way we could be closer in age. Princess Sally? Age wise, I don't know,....I DO know she was VERy stuck-up before Robotnik took over....an oppinion, but I think ol' Julian was the best thing that ever happened to her, (which you see in eppisode negitive one (-1)) Anyone agree/disagree? In fact, if it weren't 4 the takeover, would Sonic & Sally ever have met to begin with/? Hmm.... something to PONDER! :) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 22:18:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA04083 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:09:43 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA04078 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:09:41 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA25404 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:08:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:08:32 -0500 Message-ID: <960108210829_35773888@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: How old is the oldest? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-08 11:37: EST, Erich Schulman wrote: >>> Now that's over.... >>> How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? >> >>From the series or ones that WE made up? If you're talking about ones that >>WE made up, I'd probably say Bookshire. The series? Probably Sonic & >>Sally, (since they are both 16). > >What about Uncle Chuck? He is on our side now. I don't recall his exact >age, if ever given to us, but he is clearly portrayed as older than 16. You have a point there. I can't think of anyone older except for the bad guys. BTW - Isn't Sally a little older than Sonic? SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 22:27:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA04066 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:09:28 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA04061 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:09:25 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA25695 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:08:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:08:54 -0500 Message-ID: <960108210853_35774305@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-08 07:38:29 EST, Doug LoConti wrote: >On mon, 8 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: >> >>>From what I remember, the episode map mentioned earlier had only two >>>continetnts, One small (almous like an island) and one (where >>>Ro(Mo)botropolis is located) is much bigger. Well, Earth started out with one >>>continent too, so, maybe youre right, and I am wrong. I think that the only >>>person who could answer that would be Mr. Julian himself. (But, since I've > >I'd say that there may be OTHER places unexplored. I mean, com'on, let's >think about this for a second. Robotnik comes to town for ONE day, >robotisizing EVERYONE. On such notice, SOME may have gotton >away...to...other, "secret", unheard of places? Hmm... ponderous. And SOME did (MOST of them are called Freedom Fighters). One of these "unexplored" places could be the Great Unknown. And the map that I was talking about was sort of a space-ship's eye vew of the planet. Also on the ONE day... was it really one day, or did Robotnik live in Mobotropolis for a while before taking it over? SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 22:31:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA04265 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:13:40 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA04248 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:13:35 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA26869 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:12:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:12:58 -0500 Message-ID: <960108210931_35775068@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Mobius population. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-08 02:12:11 EST, Erich Schulman wrote: >>From what I remember, the episode map mentioned earlier had only two >>continetnts, One small (almous like an island) and one (where >>Ro(Mo)botropolis is located) is much bigger. Well, Earth started out with one >>continent too, so, maybe youre right, and I am wrong. I think that the only >>person who could answer that would be Mr. Julian himself. (But, since I've > >A continent is usually thought of as being a very large area. We do have >the Floating Island in the comics, and it might be large enough to >qualify as a continent. If the Floating Island doesn't move around very >much, I wonder what life under it would be like (a little shadowy, yes) >and what sorts of plants would still be able to grow on the ground below. Is there a floating Island in our fanfic? I didn't know about that. (As I have said before, for some reason, I am against Knuckles, and everythyng related, for some reason) The issue about the size of the "island," on the map, it looked like a small island compared to the main continent, but considering the size of the main continent (and if Mobius is roughly the size of Earth ) that island would be just a bit smaller than Australia. (while the main continent would be something like Africa and Eurasia put together) >The comics also introduce the concept of there being >=2 continents on >the planet with one being where Knothole and M/Robotropolis are and one >being the home of the Downunda Freedom Fighters. I don't know which comic, so I can't help you there (sorry :') ). >Only Julian? I think Snively has more of an IQ than Robotnik thinks -- >only that he can't show it -- and he could probably tell us too. And I'm >sure Sally and Rotor would know too, but of course they aren't people >(humans). I still think (this is an opinion) that Robotnik has a higher IQ that Snively, but when I said that he would know, I meand that he has acces to his main computer, and that computer would get the most presice data, with all those Robotnik's spy satalites. Sally's Nicole would probably give a good display of the map, but the only one it(she? ) can display, would be the last one it got (and who knows when that happened). As for rotor, he's an inventor/mechanic, not a geografer. Again, I am only talking about the main (or DiC's ) freedom fighters, not the later ones that were created in the stories. SONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONICSONIC C ___------__ S S I |\__-- /\ _- O O N |/ __ - N "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME N O //\ / \ /__ I (A rule I try to follow) I S | o| 0|__ --_ C C C \\____-- __ \ ___- C Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik S I (@@ __/ / /_ I Collector/Writer/Sculptor/Hacker O N -_____--- --_ N And all that other stuff N O O I S S ANSII Sonic by Han J. Lee C CINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOSCINOS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 22:47:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA07790 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:58:32 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA07785 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:58:30 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA02695; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:58:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 21:58:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: RPG on its way. In-Reply-To: <199601090127.UAA18042@en.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > Anyone agree/disagree? In fact, if it weren't 4 the takeover, would Sonic & > Sally ever have met to begin with/? Hmm.... something to PONDER! :) They did seem to know each other as kids in "Blast To The Past". Uncle Chuck was working for the King, and Sonic hung out with him sometimes, so Sally would have had opportunities to meet him. But what might their relationship be like if not for the coup? Would Sally still have any interest in Sonic? Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 23:25:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA10738 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:07 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA10724 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:02 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13622; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:57:42 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39161W Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:50:13 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: other sonics (0/4) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:31:21 GMT Message-Id: <96010822501355607@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Here following is the parts so far finished of Other Sonics:The barbarian. Yes, they are kind of fractured, but the mail service I have (a Wildcat BBS) only allows me at most 150 lines per message. Which, I think you will all agree, is less than cool. Oh well... rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 23:29:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA10803 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:16 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA10751 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:09 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13638; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:57:49 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39165W Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:50:17 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: other sonics (4/4) ... up to you guys if I continue... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:44:06 GMT Message-Id: <96010822501755611@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Part the third Son-Ak stared at all of the dishes laid at the Princess' table. Fine meats, breads, cheeses, vegetables, soups, wines, ales... And all to his way of thinking inedible. A barbarian's tastes invariably run to simpler fare. But the ingredient's were there, and so he began the rather peculiar construction of a sausage and bread layer again. Sniffing at a thick, reddish-brown stew, he asked, "What's this? Smells good." The princess thought for a moment, and replied, "Well, it's a sort of spiced bean and meat stew. Onions, red peppers, some spices... Not a favorite of mine, actually, but the cook loves to make it." Son-Ak paused, then ladles some of it onto the sausage construct. Tentatively, he took a bite-- And smiled. Widely. "Perfect. The perfect food. At last, I have found the perfect food." "Sausage, bread, cheese and bean stew is the perfect food?" whispered Bunnie to her Princess. "It would seem to be," replied Salar-Alicia. "Look at him!" Bunnie stared in open-mouth disbelief as the hedgehog rapidly constructed six of the bizarre items, and wolfed them down with unexpected speed. "The PERFECT food!" As he began to pull at a mug of ale, the guard captain shook her head. Her princess was obviously taken with the stranger, and she wasn't sure that that was wise at all. Princesses weren't meant to be close to commoners, much less to fast-eating barbarians. Son-Ak's idea of the perfect food was being shared at that moment by Tail's gang of street-rats. Oh, they hadn't created the odd compound that the barbarian had, but Tail's theft had paid for bread, cheese, sausages, and some (rather thin) bean stew, as well as a jug of sour wine that they had cut with water. To the princess, or even the hedgehog, the meal would have been sparse. To the assembled urchins, it was a feast as grand as any at the palace (or so they fondly believed, in a Cratchet-like fashion). The four younger ones were as happy as clams (Hmm... You know, that's a rather unusual phrase. I mean, how happy can a clam be? No brain, almost no nervous system, existing only for the purpose of chowder, but I digress) but Milos was somewhat more somber. The silver piece had bought a deal of foodstuffs, but it was gone now, and such a lucky haul was not a regular occurrence. At the age of eleven years he was a bit more of a realist than his gang. True, his unusual gift of flight gave him some advantage, but not enough... Not to steal something worth stealing. Besides, if he were to go for a real prize, it would certainly attract the attention of the Guild of Thieves, who might not care about a wild urchin grabbing the occasional silver, but would certainly be annoyed at one not in the Brotherhood performing any real theft. And there was always the small, nagging guilt he felt at each pickpocketing. If there were only some alternative. But he had to keep his charges fed, somehow, and the number of jobs for an eleven year old fox could be counted on the fingers of his left foot. At best he could gain apprenticeship to some brute, for little more than food or board, and that would not help his friends... A thought occurred to him. There was enough food for tomorrow as well, except bread. Sometimes the Palace cooks could be persuaded to give a crust of three to a appropriately pitiful looking waif. "Cleth, come with me. We're going to see if we can get any bread for tomorrow. Get pathetic." Cleth, the kitten, grinned. Only five years of age, he often treated the plots that Tails cooked up like a game, and "get pathetic" was one of his favorites. Removing the ragged but clean tunic he wore (Tails insisted on keeping what clothing they had in as good repair as possible, and even on weekly bathing-- to cut down on odors that might give them away) he donned a mass of dirty, shredded rags that made him look as though he had not eaten in a month, had been beaten daily in compensation, and more like three or four years old. He opened his eyes wide, until they resembles something that in another universe would have been painted on black velvet, and generated a hint of a practiced tear. Perhaps even Roboth-amon would have had a moment of tenderness at the kitten's demeanor. And so Tails and Cleth set out on what was planned as a begging expedition, but what would turn out to be-- aw, you know. As two cubs set out for the back of the palace, a black-clad figure also made his way towards the royal residence. Holding a small green stone with obscure glyphs inscribed upon it, Sniv effortlessly scales a wall, entered a window, and hid the item under a bed. Leaving as silently as he had come, the master thief and spy of the eastlands returned to his room at the disreputable inn he was patronizing. Again he withdrew the mirror that was his means of communication with his dark master. (Yes, I know, but the phrase Dark Master is traditional in this kind of fantasy.) "It is in place, Master," Sniv said quietly. "Um... If I may ask, what is it?" Again the mirror swirled, again the shadowed form of Roboth- amon appeared. "A beacon of sorts, Sniv. A beacon for a spell of transport. Also a window into the mirrors of the princess's chambers. I shall see just how capable this barbarian is for myself. Then, after I appraise him... I shall break him." And even the hardened soul of Sniv the Unseen, master spy of the Eastrealm, shuddered at the cold laughter that emanated from the mirror... TO BE CONTINUED From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 23:43:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA10788 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:12 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA10732 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:05 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13630; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:57:45 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39163W Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:50:15 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: other sonics (2/4 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:41:32 GMT Message-Id: <96010822501555609@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Most of the females he'd seen in his travels in the south had been dressed either in simple tunics and dresses (if poor) or in silks and gold (if wealthy, and rather skimpy if they had the looks for it). This one was garbed, instead, in a black leather halter and trunks, with tall boots of the same material and plated gauntlets. The rabbit's ear was bent, at least one was, but her eyes were those of a warrior, and the large two-handed sword she had cast on her back was not any city maiden's toy. That she could-- and did-- carry such a weapon meant she considered herself a fighter. The thin scar across her left eye (fortunate to have missed the eye itself) meant she was. And that no other scars were visible meant she was a warrior of skill. "Captain Rabbot," blurted the innkeeper. "You should have seen him, he--" "I saw, innkeeper," she interrupted. "You-- I think you'd better come with me." Son-ak tightened his grip on his axe. "If there's some idiot law against aiding innkeepers here against demon-tricks--" The rabbit laughed. "By Mosthe', no, swift one. But anyone who can fight like that-- and with such an unusual technique-- will interest my mistress immensely. Besides, there's a bounty of five royals for each of the dark Wizard's toys wrecked. You've made a pretty penny today, Son-ak, and I merely thought you'd like to collect it." "Your mistress. And who is that? For that, who are you?" "I," replied the rabbit, "Am Captain Bunnie, in service to her Highness, the Princess Salar-Alicia of House Acorn, and leader of her Royal Guards. And I already... ah... 'heard' of you, hedgehog. You want your fifteen royals or not?" Son-ak grinned. After weeks of boredom, things were looking up. A good fight, gold to refill his almost empty purse, and he'd met a female of both obvious bravery and courage-- and, not that he allowed himself to notice, beauty as well. Yes, perhaps his fortunes were changing for the better... To the east, a massive form shuddered. A hand clutched a glittering stone, and a quiet snarl escaped thick lips. "Sniv. To me. Now." The shadows produced a short, black swathed figure. "My lord?" "Something in the west has destroyed three of my iron golems in as many moments. And when I am about to begin my true plans, that is an ill matter. Ill indeed...You are my master spy, Sniv the Quiet. Go forth, go and learn what causes me such concern at this time." "As you command, Master." The figure melted back into the shadows. And Roboth-amon, the Dark Wizard of the East, mused on the possibility-- for the first time-- that his designs might be in peril. Part the second The City of Mobius was, simply put, large. Larger than anything Son-Ak had ever seen, or even dreamed of seeing. To Son- ak, born and bred amongst the barbarian tribes of the north, a village was large in his mind. A town was huge. A city was something he had never even conceived of. And the City called Mobius was the largest in the known world. Simply put, the hedgehog was steeling every nerve in his body to keep from freaking. An old cliche', true, but an accurate one-- the sounds, the smells, the sights, and above all the people-- the teeming crowds of people-- of all the different races of the world, talking, bargaining, arguing, flirting, debating, all in one place that was larger than the hedgehog had ever dreamed possible-- that was larger than he COULD have dreamed, in fact-- buying, selling, dealing... Well, he could be forgiven. The Great Marketplace of Mobius could stagger even the most jaded of travelers. It was a violent sensory overload that numbed the body of all but the most obvious of stimuli. So it is no surprise that the normally alert barbarian never noticed the small, stealthy hand slip under his belt, lift his (severely depleted) purse, and make off with it. The little thief slipped into an alleyway, looked about to be certain that no-one had seen him, and then removed his tattered cloak. Clad now in only a battered loincloth and a equally disreputable vest, he rolled up the cloak, bent slightly over, and began to spin what proved to twin tails, slowly at first, then faster, until he rose in the air. He lifted himself to a rooftop, donned the cloak again, and then began to run and leap from roof to roof, until he found the abandoned garret he called home. "Tails!" cried a younger child, a small kitten. "You found anything today?" Milos, the street-thief more commonly known in the gutters and alleyways as "Tails", opened the pouch, grinning. "Oh, not much... just a few coppers and a SILVER piece. We can feast tonight!" The gathered children of Tails' gang gave a ragged cheer. Poor, abandoned, and without any other form of support, the four cubs looked upon their leader with undisguised admiration. A silver coin might be little to the spendthrift hedgehog, but to five small half-starved kids it meant bread, cheese, ale (no-one would drink the water in the City) and even some sausages or cold meats. "Where did you get it?" asked another. "He stole it, you doof," retorted the oldest of the four, a rather sour-looking ferret. "I know that," replied the rabbit-child. "But where?" The kitten and the youngest-- a five- year old skunk-- gazed at their leader in awe, as he replied, "Oh, just some wandering barbarian... huge one, with a honking great axe." "Wow. Weren't you scared?" " Maybe a little... not of him, of course. But he WAS walking with ol' Cap'n Rabbot." The ferret's usual expression of sour boredom loosened a bit at that. "You mean you filched it with Rabbot there? That's awful dangerous, ain't it?" "Maybe... but she's not likely to catch me. And that barbarian was so city-struck I could've grabbed that axe, and his tunic, and likely his underwear and he still wouldn't have noticed." Tails grinned, and then laughed. "Besides, even if he had, he'd never have caught me. He's a hedgehog. And you know how slow they are." From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 23:43:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA10801 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:15 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA10748 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:08 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13634; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:57:48 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39164W Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:50:16 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: other sonics (3/4) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:42:45 GMT Message-Id: <96010822501655610@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Elsewhere, the hedgehog in question discovered what had happened. And was indulging himself in a litany of unusually imaginative curses. "As though you had lost anything of import. You had a few coppers, and single silver, true? And you're about to receive fifteen royals-- gold royals at that. By Mosthe', we'll even throw in a new purse." Bunnie looked at the incensed barbarian with ill- concealed amusement. "Not the point, Bent-ear. Someone stole from ME-- Me, Son-Ak of the Cad-Hai, the swift one, the runner, the--" "The compulsive whiner about trifles. "Now, hold your tongue and your temper. The princess isn't impressed with either brags or curses." Son-ak grudgingly complied. He was not looking forward to meeting this city-princess, no doubt some homely inbred noblewoman with an inflated ego and a temper to match, with few wits and no forethought, and almost certainly-- Then he was ushered into the audience hall by Bunnie, and for a moment, Son-Ak, the swift, the runner, the warrior, forgot to breathe. Salar-Alicia, Princess of House Acorn, was a slender, well formed ground squirrel. A mane of red-brown hair was contrasted by eyes of a deep, almost hypnotic green. Dressed in white silks with gold trim, (and frankly, not a great deal of them) white sandals, and a simple tiara of office, she was simply the most beautiful creature Son-AK had ever seen. (And when you're a travelling barbarian adventurer , who spends most of his non-combat time in taverns and bars, with the requisite scantily-clad exotic dancing girls, you see a lot of beautiful creatures.) "This is the warrior you spoke of, Captain?" The warrior-bunny stepped forward, and knelt. "Yes, my Princess. Three of Roboth-amon's iron men smashed by him. I thought you would like to see such a marvel." "Indeed." Salar-Alicia rose from the couch she had been lying on, and strode over to the dumbstruck hedgehog. "You hadn't mentioned that he was so handsome, though." Son-ak just stood, transfixed at the proximity of the girl of his dreams before him. Something inside him clamored for him to say something-- anything-- and in horror he heard himself say, "Aren't those clothes drafty?" Salar-Alicia blinked. And then began to giggle. "And he's witty too!" She fell back onto the couch, laughing. Bunnie Rabbot was at that moment thinking very hard about throwing herself on her sword. _Idiot barbarian..._ Son-Ak was thinking similar thoughts... but realized that axes were impractical for such actions. _Maybe I can borrow bent-ear's sword..._ The princess/ mirth wound to a stop. "Oh, well... Warrior, when you are a princess, there are certain expectations that the people have of you. They expect me to be beautiful and alluring, and unapproachable. Besides, if you can pull it off, why not? I admit that this style of dress may not be practical, but I do not need to be practical." She sighed, and added, "Once I am Queen, then I move into gowns and gold. Tradition is a complex thing... And I am bound by it." "Oh," replied Son-Ak. "Well... um... you wear it well. Royalty, I mean, not the... AH, that is, you..." Salar-Alicia grinned. "Bunnie, when are you going to introduce me to a male that doesn't react like this?" The rabbit sighed," When you gain twenty-five pounds and start wearing a grain sack. " She stood, and grinned. "But it's a fairly effective defense, I suppose, throwing a possible opponent off guard." The princess frowned. "Must you see everything in terms of defense or offense?" "Zat is 'er duty, Highness. As mine is to protect you in making ze spells, nest pas'?" Son-Ak turned to meet the new voice. The vulpine stood unimpressed, clad in a long elaborate robe, with a tangled mane of gold hair falling about his shoulders. He carried a staff of gnarled oak, and an expression of hauteur that almost immediately antagonized the hedgehog. "Ah. The other of my closest aides. Son-Ak, meet Antos, my personal sorcerer." Antos looked at Son-Ak with undisguised disdain, which changed to suspicion. "Princess. Zat is the magic I am sensing." He pointed to the hedgehog. "Zat... person, he is stinking of magic. He is enchanted." Son-Ak growled. "Enchanted, spell-weaver? There's no magic in me." Antos walked over to the barbarian, and sniffed. Before Son-Ak could react, he nodded. "Non. Not you, but ze axe. Zat axe is ze magical blade." He walked away, muttering. Bunnie sighed, "Never mind Antos, Son-Ak. He's a sorcerer. All sorcerers are a bit peculiar." Son-Ak stood bewildered. "My axe is magic?" The princess smiled. "If Antos says it is, then it is." The barbarian hesitated. "Bah. That spellweaver's nose is broken. I've no magic, and neither has this blade." He paused for a moment, and suddenly blurted, "And where's my money?" Again the princess laughed. "Why, I had almost forgotten." She picked up a small purse, and tossed it to the hedgehog. Son-Ak caught it, and grinned himself at the heavy and satisfying feels of gold. "Perhaps you will dine with me tonight? I hear little of the world outside Mobius, and should like to hear of your adventures." "And I know he's gonna LOVE to tell you about them," muttered Bunnie under her breath... The dark clad figure dropped from the windowsill, into the shadows. Scurrying from alley to alley, he made his way to a less than reputable tavern, where he climbed the back wall to another window, and climbed in. Throwing back his hood, he revealed a human face (one of the rarer races in the land), sharp, with an almost dagger-like nose and a think unruly mane of brown hair. He reached into a pocket hidden in his tunic, and bought out a small, oddly shaped mirror. "Master," he hissed. The mirror seemed to ripple for a moment, and then to clear, showing the shadowy figure of Roboth- amon. "Yes, Sniv?" the wizard of the East replied. "What have you found out?" "Your golems were destroyed by one person, Master. A hedgehog, with an enchanted axe." Sniv paused, and added, "A big hedgehog. Blue, a northerner. And the Princess seems taken with him, rather." "A hedgehog. I've little liking for the idea that my greatest plan is to be spoiled by a hedgehog. Keep spying, Sniv, and keep me informed. Meanwhile, I shall prepare a present for this interloper..." From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 8 23:46:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA10765 for sonic-ll; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:11 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA10729 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:52:04 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13626; Mon, 8 Jan 96 22:57:44 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39162W Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:50:14 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:40:18 GMT Message-Id: <96010822501455608@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Other Sonics #1-- The Barbarian : Part One By Robert Haynie Obligatory stuff-- Sonic the Hedgehog, Bunnie Rabbot, etc. TM and copyright 1995 by Sega of America and Archie Comics. They probably reserve all rights. This story is copyright 1995 Robert S. Haynie Jr. This is an exercise in fan fiction, and is not meant to infringe on their rights, but is a purely recreational exercise. It may be duplicated freely, with the restrictions that A) no text is changed, and B) no money is charged. Foreword: In more than one issue of the STH comic the so-called "Cosmic Interstate" has been mentioned. Most noted was issue #19 (I believe), "Night of a Thousand Sonics", which noted that there were (in theory) many, many versions of the hedgehog. But what are these other realms like? What are the others like in them? Is Bunnie always such a babe in them (Sorry, that just slipped out)? Let us look at one... Offramp #14-a-347-bx-2, Mobs in the age of high fantasy... Prologue "Know, oh Prince. that in the age of the House of Acorn, when a darkness rose from the bitter East to cleave the Kingdom and to bring strife and misery to the children of Karuis, there came Son- Ak, a thief, a reaver, a runner, who had sought only adventure but found himself n the path of heroes, who won a crown and a bride by the strength of his good right arm and the swiftness of his feet. Or something like that. I really don't remember, I haven't had enough sleep." The chronicles of Mandar the Insomniac Part the first It was mostly rain that day, rain and mud, and the lost warrior trudged through the thick gruel that water and dust had made of the road with an expression of bitter annoyance and a heart filled with growing mayhem. In time, he came to a roadside tavern, and entered with considerable depression. A barmaid took a single look at him and quailed. Understandably, for the warrior was an intimidating sort. Tall for a hedgehog-- over three feet, in fact-- clad in a hide tunic and boots, and carrying a large battleaxe on his back, he had the still visible marks of battle scars under his frontal fur. His quills were longer and sharper than the usual for his kind, and were styled in an intimidating blade-like fashion, and were of the blue color peculiar to the barbarian tribes of the northlands. The warrior took a seat at an unoccupied table, and the barmaid, urged on by the tavern keeper, approached uncertainly. Her life wasn't the easiest, and she feared that the fearsome stranger would grab at her, or yell, or something frightening. But he merely growled for ale and food, tossing a few copper coins down-- enough to pay for his desires. And sulked. "Man, I HATE rain." After a few moment, the barmaid bought a plate of sausages and cheese, some bread, and a pitcher of ale to the table. She began to leave, when the hedgehog began to do something odd. First he cut two slender pieces of bread from the loaf, then placed a sausage on one, scraped off bits of cheese onto it, sighed, and covered the whole with the other slice of bread. "Wish I had some stew for this," he mumbled quietly. "Always goes better with some stew." The stranger ate in silence then, silence unbroken except for the sipping of ale and the occasional unquiet burp. "He's... not very polite," whispered the barmaid to the innkeeper. "Look at his dress, lass. He's a barbarian, a northern warrior. You think he's used to doilies and fingerbowls?" "As though you had any," sniffed the barmaid, and returned to the other customers. The hedgehog finished his meal in (relative) silence, and paid for a room in back. He entered, still silent, still sulking. And fell into a fitful sleep... speed... the speed of the Chosen... blue wind and golden fire... The noise of the barmaid's screams broke the hedgehog's unpleasant dream. With long-practiced reflexes he leapt to his feet, grabbed his axe, and cast open his door. He didn't really expect anything-- perhaps some patron who had drank too much and could not handle it too well had got too "friendly", at worst some bandits of some sort-- whatever, it would hardly be any-- For a second, the warrior thought they were soldiers of some sort, in strange armor. But the movements were wrong, there were no joints. The barbarian realized that they were statues of some dark metal, bought to life by some hellish spell. For the first time in weeks, Son-ak the Blue grinned. Almost casually he began to whirl his battleaxe in a circle, but rather than the usual two or three swings most would have used, (to intimidate) Son-ak continued to spin the blade, faster and faster, until it was a silvery circle above his head. And then, with a blood-chilling war cry, he charged the demon-statues. Where a common blade-stroke would have hardly bent the metal of the enchanted figures, the whirling axe struck with such force that the metal parted. Green fire erupted from the cracked shell of the statue, and the figure collapsed into shards of broken metal. The two remaining figures turned towards this unexpected interruption. Son-ak suddenly threw his axe at one, and leapt at the second, tucking into a rolling ball in mid-leap. The axe cracked one statue, and-- amazingly-- Son-ak opened the other with flailing quills. Both spat the same green flame, both crumbled into scraps of metal. The innkeeper stared at the remains of the three figures, and at the now wildly grinning hedgehog, who threw back his head and howled a barbaric cry of defiance and victory. Then he turned his attentions to the barmaid, who had collapsed after she had screamed. "Hah! I'd thought that there wasn't anything to do here! You ought to have told me of such entertainment, innkeeper!" "Entertainment," spat the innkeeper. "You may call it entertainment, Barbarian, but no one here would. We've had enough grief from the Dark Wizard before. Still, my thanks for stopping those golems. I've never seen such bladework before with an axe." "Aye," grinned the hedgehog,"And ye won't soon see it again! I am Son-ak of the Cad-hai, the Swift one, the runner past the wind, the Striker! I run swifter than a thunderclap, strike harder thana the lightning--" "And boast louder than a donkey," came a dry voice from behind. "And boast louder than a donkey! I-- Hey, wait a minute," sputtered Son-ak. He turned about, to face the new speaker. "That's hardly polite, bent-ear." "Spare me a barbarian's etiquette," replied the newcomer. Son-ak frowned, even as he sized up the speaker. Most of the females he'd seen in his travels in the south had been dressed either in simple tunics and dresses (if poor) or in silks and gold (if wealthy, and rather skimpy if they had the looks for it). This one was garbed, instead, in a black leather halter and trunks, with tall boots of the same material and plated gauntlets. The rabbit's ear was bent, at least one was, but her eyes were those of a warrior, and the large two-handed sword she had cast on her back was not any city maiden's toy. That she could-- and did-- carry such a weapon meant she considered herself a fighter. The thin scar across her left eye (fortunate to have missed the eye itself) meant she was. And that no other scars were visible meant she was a warrior of skill. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 08:18:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA09740 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:45:32 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA09727 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:45:21 -0500 Received: from anx_14.global.co.za (anx_14.global.co.za [196.3.164.64]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA18561 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:37:52 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:37:52 GMT Message-Id: <199601091437.OAA18561@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Important Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Please, don't post anymore game related questions to the list, if you do, neither me nor Mighty will reply to them. (Not even via private Email). If= you=20 to know somthing post to us directly.. please. This is the Sonic list, it's not right to flood it with 40 messages that could be answered by a simple FAQ file. (I'll see about getting one up on Mighty's page..) Also, if there is sufficient interest, I will see about getting a game list. Please note, Erich and Ratman *AREN'T* the bad guys here.. we are.. we're the ones clogging their list which they give to us freely and kindly... let's not be jerks and take over... Cheers *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = |=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 08:32:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA12529 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:21:50 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA12524 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:21:48 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29055; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:21:45 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA20838; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:21:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199601091321.IAA20838@edmund> Subject: Re: How old is the oldest? To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:21:44 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960108210829_35773888@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 8, 96 09:08:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > > BTW - Isn't Sally a little older than Sonic? > They may be the same age chronologically, but Sally has always struck me as being more mature than Sonic. A fine distinction but an important one. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 09:16:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA15905 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:30 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA15900 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:26 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00486; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:22 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id JAA24081; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199601091412.JAA24081@edmund> Subject: Sonic #32 [for FAQ File] To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:22 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net [Note: Funny, I'd have thought someone else would have commented on this issue by now. Oh,well. Spoilers ahead, yadda yadda yadda...] #32 [March 1996] Cover art: Pat Spaziante seems to be making his mark as a cover artist, and a dynamic one at that. And he continues to push the outside of the envelope in his drawings of Sally. Talk about a tail to astonish....! "Blast From The Past" (3 parts) Story: Angelo DeCesare/Art: Art Mawhinney The Knothole Freedom Fighters are somewhere in the mountains when they're attacked by SWATbots. One of them gets off a laser shot that severs the rope that Sally has been climbing. She begins to fall to her doom.... and this is just the first panel! Tails catches Sally on the fly as the freedom fighters make their escape. However, they run into other SWATbots with a robodog...which just happens to be Sonic's old pet, Muttski. However, the impending attack is broken off by Uncle Chuck using a device that looks like a remote control for a toy car. Antoine then tumbles into a gorge where he discovers... I'm sorry, but Mawhinney's talent totally fails to make his rendition of a frozen prehistoric "Mobian bear" very convincing--especially when compared with his rendition of a polar bear later in this issue. The two don't look anything alike. The prehistoric bear (dubbed "Mobie" by Tails) looks more like a hulked-out version of that obnoxious animal from the Honeycomb cereal commercials on TV (note to overseas readers who don't get American TV: you're not missing a thing!). Rotor suggests that they take Mobie back to Knothole to revive him. Sonic accidentally causes a speedup in the thawing process and Mobie promptly begins running amok. Bunnie trees Mobie until he calms down. Anti-Mobie sentiment begins to grow (Antoine: "He is ze librarian!" Sally : "I think you mean 'barbarian,' Antoine." Just for the record I'M the librarian, and I have the Master's degree in library science to prove it! But enough about me....). Bunnie, however, tries using pictures to communicate with Mobie; since he was holding a paint brush in one hand when he was found, she thinks he may have an artistic side. Mobie takes one look at the group drawing of Bunnie's, has a dim memory of his own family unit, and runs away from Knothole to look for them. Sonic gives chase, reluctantly. Finding Mobie by a nearby mountain surrounded by SWATbots, Sonic comes to his rescue. Mobie returns the favor when Sonic manages to knock himself out and almost gets chomped by Muttski. Snoic has to do some quick drawing in the dirt before Mobie tries taking Muttski apart. The story is wrapped up in short order: Muttski's mind is restored and Mobie is dropped off in a Mobian jungle. Pretty good action yarn hampered by an unbelievable "cave bear." I suppose by making bears the sapient species instead of primates, evolution on Mobius took a different turn. But I'll leave that to the theoreticians on the list -- I'm a Mobian creationist myself ;-) . "Prisoners" Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders/Art: Ken Penders Yet another 2-page installment in the Chinese water torture that is being passed off as a Knuckles story. Espio, Charmy, Mighty and Vector are trapped somewhere and encounter a shadowy figure wearing the same digger-style hat as Knack the Weasel. "Tundra Road" Part 2 Story: Mike Gallagher/Art: Art Mawhinney We left Rotor sinking to his doom in the waters of the North Sea. One other fan has summed up the situation best: we know Rotor will be saved; the question is, will his rescue be as contrived as Tails' rescue from the roboticizer in "Growing Pains, Part 2"? As it turns out, Rotor is indeed saved by two of the polar Mobians left over from "Way Way Past Cool" (Sonic #26): Sealia the seal (who didn't have any lines the first time but who has now acquired a copy of Antoine's dimestore French accent) and Augustus the polar bear. Using a literal Trojan horse gambit, Rotor and the two polar Mobians invade the ice cave where the walrus herd is still gathered, but Robotnik orders the brainwashed herd to destroy Rotor. The polar Mobians separate Rotor from the herd by setting the herd adrift on an ice floe. Rotor vows to return to release the herd from Robotnik's influence...if the zombified herd doesn't die of starvation in the meantime. Oh well, at least Manak took a break from doing the artwork. Sonic grams: same old office humor. Hype for Super Sonic v. Hyper-Knuckles special issue (story by Gallagher *ack!*/art by Mawhinney). One letter concerns Sonic's sneakers and there's some teasing of Knuckles' story in issues 33-36. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 09:59:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA16489 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:28:47 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA16484 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:28:44 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04964 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:28:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:28:13 -0500 Message-ID: <960109092810_36173261@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net David: When and where it started is of no importance now. Thankfully (like the blizzard) it has wound down entirely and we can all get on with biz as usual... Best regards, Paul Castigia P.S.: Happy New Year! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 10:21:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA18511 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:50:20 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA18415 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:50:06 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA14527 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:49:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 9:48:58 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960109094858.ae5@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sonic #32 [for FAQ File] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:22 -0500 (EST) >[Note: Funny, I'd have thought someone else would have commented on this >issue by now. Oh,well. Two reasons: while I think we enjoy reading each other's reviews of the comics, they don't seem to generate much discussion, thus why bother? Also, you do such a good job of skewering the stories, er, pointing out areas for improvement :^) that you're a hard act to follow (or precede, or whatever :^)) >Spoilers ahead, yadda yadda yadda...] > Cover art: Pat Spaziante seems to be making his mark as a cover >artist, and a dynamic one at that. And he continues to push the outside >of the envelope in his drawings of Sally. Talk about a tail to astonish....! Indeed; I did a double take at that, and almost went for a triple, but decided I'd better just read the story :^) > "Blast From The Past" (3 parts) >the impending attack is broken off by Uncle Chuck using a device that >looks like a remote control for a toy car. To quote Babs: "how conveeenient"; at least he wasn't cooking chili dogs this time around... >Antoine then tumbles into a gorge where he discovers... I'm sorry, but >Mawhinney's talent totally fails to make his rendition of a frozen >prehistoric "Mobian bear" very convincing--especially when compared with >his rendition of a polar bear later in this issue. The two don't look >anything alike. Indeed; he really looks simian, not ursine, so why not call him an ape? >The prehistoric bear (dubbed "Mobie" by Tails) looks more like a hulked-out >version of that obnoxious animal from the Honeycomb cereal commercials >on TV (note to overseas readers who don't get American TV: you're not >missing a thing!). Off-topic tangent: I'm not sure which is more annoying: Sugar Bear trying to steal Granny's Super Sugar, er, Honey, er, whatever, Crisp, or Dig'Em the Frog doing the same thing to a cat minding his own business... > Sonic accidentally causes a speedup in the thawing process and Mobie >promptly begins running amok. Bunnie trees Mobie until he calms down. Nice action sequence with Bunnie, but I'm afraid I'm beginning to agree with Chris Baird's assessment of her depiction as a "kewpie doll"... >Anti-Mobie sentiment begins to grow (Antoine: "He is ze librarian!" >Sally : "I think you mean 'barbarian,' Antoine." Just for the record >I'M the librarian, and I have the Master's degree in library science to >prove it! I'm tempted to ask if the job market for that would be worth the time and effort for me to get one of those after 14+ years in electronics engineering, but that's a subject for e-mail :^) >knock himself out and almost gets chomped by Muttski. Snoic has to do ^^^^^ Might want to fix that for the official FAQ :^) >some quick drawing in the dirt before Mobie tries taking Muttski apart. >The story is wrapped up in short order: Muttski's mind is restored and >Mobie is dropped off in a Mobian jungle. And of course he'll get over the loss of his family, etc., etc.... >I suppose by making bears the sapient species instead of primates, >evolution on Mobius took a different turn. But I'll leave that to the >theoreticians on the list -- I'm a Mobian creationist myself ;-) . Boy, could we start a discussion/flamewar (not between you and me - I'm a creationist too) on _that_ one :^) I have my own opinion on religion and furries, but since it's all hypothetical and we've got enough problems with religion and _humans_, why argue about it? > "Tundra Road" Part 2 >Rotor is indeed saved by two of the polar Mobians left over from "Way Way >Past Cool" (Sonic #26): Sealia the seal (who didn't have any lines the first >time but who has now acquired a copy of Antoine's dimestore French accent) I noticed she doesn't have legs (yet Rotor does) - what did she have in #26? >The polar Mobians separate Rotor from the herd by setting the herd adrift >on an ice floe. Rotor vows to return to release the herd from Robotnik's >influence...if the zombified herd doesn't die of starvation in the meantime. Details, details... Nice review, as usual! Ron Bauerle From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 12:49:59 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA28948 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:03:39 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA28928 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:03:30 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18660 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:04:59 GMT Received: (bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.6.12) id RAA06291; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:04:51 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:04:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Subject: Sonic and Sally's speed thingy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This may be a stupid question to ask....but i will anyway..... In Bam Sally comments on getting new boots after super speeding ...I take it she wore them out.... Yet we never see nore here anything about Sonic needing to get new sneakers. Are they of some special construction to withstand his speed, and if so, why dosnt sally get a pair????? Well that me thrown the train of thought enough for one posting, later.. Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ???Riddle me this, What type of man has BATS on his Brain??? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 12:50:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA29132 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:08:06 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA29127 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:08:03 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA22608; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:08:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:08:28 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Perv stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Symon Kielb wrote: > I have nothing against ppl having s*x, no matter what race cread or > colour.... > > Its just the image of two or more animals doing it in graphic, and > explicite imagies, especially where small children could get at it when > they go looking for sonic stories.... How many children are there on the net? How many can utilise the rat site? How many wouldn't be put off? Those who pass these points are obviously mature enough to see those images. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 13:05:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA29323 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:11:08 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA29313 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:11:04 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id SAA22769; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:11:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:11:32 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: RPG on its way. In-Reply-To: <960108175924_35576097@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > On 96-01-08 00:15:17 EST, Nomad (am I right?) wrote: > > > Now that's over.... > > How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? > > If you mean in Knothole, I would have to say Sally is sixteen (Sally, Bunny, > Sonic, Rotor, Dulcy, Tails, and Antoine are > the "standard" freedom fighters). In fact, I think that Sally is even older > that > Sonic. In one of the episodes, Sonic was fifteen, and Sally was sixteen > throughout the whole year (two seasons). If you are talking about the whole > Mobius, I have NO idea! > Got any disagreements? Send them over. At least Sally is more mature than Sonic. Dulcy seems to me to be younger than the other FFs, as she isn't able to lay eggs and talks like a young child, or are dragons just growing slower? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 14:10:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA03979 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:23:15 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA03971 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:22:51 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA16873 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:22:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:21:41 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960109132141.ae5@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Ages of characters, was Re: RPG on its way Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:11:32 +0100 (MET) >From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" >Subject: Re: RPG on its way. >At least Sally is more mature than Sonic. Agreed; I wonder how much of that is the characters vs. the voice artists behind them... >Dulcy seems to me to be younger than the other FFs, as she isn't able to >lay eggs and talks like a young child, or are dragons just growing slower? Maybe Elmyra-ism is a universal concept :^) (For non-Tiny-Toon Adventures fans: Cree Summer voice both Elmyra (a basic dim bulb) and Dulcy.) RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 14:55:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA04642 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:41:26 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA04637 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:41:23 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA26252; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:41:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:41:23 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Perv stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Iggy "Optimus" Drougge wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Symon Kielb wrote: > > > I have nothing against ppl having s*x, no matter what race cread or > > colour.... > > > > Its just the image of two or more animals doing it in graphic, and > > explicite imagies, especially where small children could get at it when > > they go looking for sonic stories.... > > How many children are there on the net? > How many can utilise the rat site? > How many wouldn't be put off? > Those who pass these points are obviously mature enough to see those images. It was very easy to find the images before. But the real issue is it's mean to have a server that is appealing to children, then expose them to dirty pictures. Regardless of what you think of the images, think of it from a parent's point of view. And yes I wish they didn't market cartoons/video games to children, but this is just how it is! :-( Actually, I should not be a hyprocrite. This is interesting to me of course since it involved my server, but I think this is kind of off topic... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 16:32:47 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA15862 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:57:19 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA15847 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:57:13 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08649; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:06:22 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id NAA26563; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:06:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199601091806.NAA26563@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic and Sally's speed thingy To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:06:22 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Symon Kielb" at Jan 9, 96 05:04:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > This may be a stupid question to ask....but i will anyway..... > > In Bam Sally comments on getting new boots after super speeding ...I > take it she wore them out.... Yet we never see nore here anything about > Sonic needing to get new sneakers. Are they of some special construction > to withstand his speed, and if so, why dosnt sally get a pair????? > > Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk > > ???Riddle me this, What type of man has BATS on his Brain??? > Sy: It's already been established in the comics, in Teitelbaum's adaptation of same, and even in the Archie Sonic-Grams, that Sonic's Uncle Chuck had to develop Sonic's high-tech sneakers. Apparently he wore out too many pair when he was a kid. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ Off-Topic Quotation: Bruce Wayne: "You know, I've never seen [It's A Wonderful Life]: I could never get past the title." Batman: The Animated Series, "Christmas With The Joker" From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 18:55:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA25979 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:33:41 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA25974 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:33:30 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21768 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:34:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:34:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199601100034.RAA21768@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Who owns? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Who ever owns Packbell and Bookshire, can I get you're permision to use them in a story? I need to know. And does anyone know what the Great Unknown roughly looks like and its rough size. That's all for now, Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 19:45:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA29398 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:12:31 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA29389 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:12:28 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA26669 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:11:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <960109191156_111412250@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: When Sonic met Sally. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-08 22:49:32 EST, Erich Schulman wrote: >They (Sally and Sonic) did seem to know each other as kids in >"Blast To The Past". Uncle Chuck was working for the King, and >Sonic hung out with him sometimes, so Sally would have had >opportunities to meet him. > >But what might their relationship be like if not for the coup? >Would Sally still have any interest in Sonic? As I remember it, in "Blast To The Past" even before the coup, Sonic and Sally were playing together (I think they were playing tag). It looked as if they were best friends at the time. So, I guess not having the coup would not alter their relationships (except for the fact that the coup brought Sonic and Sally closer together, and, since they are so close together now, made them "In like" -(sonicgrams #31) ). | ooooooooooooooo \ |oo000000000000000000000oo \o' 000'' ''00000o ----0 'o0---- Dmitry '0000 0000 \ (Sonic Fan) 0000 ______________________________ o000| \ Murashchik 000o / \ 000 000 |"If it ain't blue, don't get it"| 000 Sculptor/Writer/Hacker 000 | - ME (A rule I try to follow)| 000 Collector 000 | | '000 000' | "You are doubting my increible | 0000 And all that other 0000 | couraje?","Of course!" | 0000o stuff o0000 | -Antoine and Dulcy in | '00000oo - - - oo00000' | "Spyhog" | ''000000(_)(_)(_)000000'' \___ ______________________/ ''''''''''/ /'' \ / \ / \ / 8OOOOOO8 // | | / (Anyone finds this logo annoying, please tell me. I will replace it) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 21:01:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA04095 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:28:28 -0500 Received: from vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (uv334@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca [199.60.222.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA04090 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:28:23 -0500 Received: (from uv334@localhost) by vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA24680; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:28:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:28:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Bintz Subject: Roboticization Process To: Sonic-The-Hedgehog List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Has anyone ever explained the roboticization process in some (imaginary) detail? I think it'd be a bit interesting to know somewhat how it works (or, theoretically how it should work). John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * WWW: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/10794/home.html Now Surfing the 'Net on his Amiga!! "Marge, Marge, Marge... When kids today say 'bad', they mean 'good'... And to 'shake your booty' means to wiggle one's butt... Permit me to demonstrate..." -Homer Simpson From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 22:38:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA12123 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:28:17 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA12118 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:28:13 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA18477 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:28:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:28:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960109222811.ae5@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Other Sonics Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) > Here following is the parts so far finished of Other Sonics:The >barbarian. Yes, they are kind of fractured, but the mail service >I have (a Wildcat BBS) only allows me at most 150 lines per message. >Which, I think you will all agree, is less than cool. Oh well... Hurray!!! Most enjoyable fan-fic I've read in a long time!!! If you want, I'll post it on alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog and alt.fan.furry for you... What more can I say except: >Subj: other sonics (4/4) ... up to you guys if I continue... Please do!!! RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 9 22:49:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA12024 for sonic-ll; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:24:39 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA12019 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:24:35 -0500 Received: from l3-1.en.net (l3-1.en.net [204.89.181.161]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA02701 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:25:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:25:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601100325.WAA02701@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Who owns? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Who ever owns Packbell and Bookshire, can I get you're permision to use=20 >them in a story? I need to know. > And does anyone know what the Great Unknown roughly looks like and its=20 >rough size.=20 Bookshire is.... um... (CRAP! Can't remember...) either David G..or...oh, I can't remember the other one..but his page is on rat's server. =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 00:18:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA18729 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:05:23 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA18719 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:05:14 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA22990 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:05:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:05:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199601100605.XAA22990@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re:Other Sonics To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Hurray!!! > Most enjoyable fan-fic I've read in a long time!!! Nomad agrees, couldn't turn the computer off! Keep up the good work! Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 03:57:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA29956 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:52 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA29949 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:48 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA19373 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199601100837.DAA19373@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:34:45 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: STRING USA UP!!!!!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net David Kintobor: >Yeah! YOU heard me! Go make a USA Original Sonic Movie, NOW! > Speaking of Sonic movies, whatever happen to that live action Sonic movie someone posted about a while ago? Is it being made? Was it canned? Or was it just an idea that never made it off the drawing board? Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 04:11:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA29899 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:35:49 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA29894 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:35:46 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA19305 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:35:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199601100835.DAA19305@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:32:43 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 12:25 AM 1/3/96 -0700, you wrote: > Ok, two people want a copy of my pencil and paper RPG? Do I hear >three...four...? > I have found it and am just looking over it and making a few >adjustments, I should be done soon. > So, anyone else? > > Tarl > What exactly are you sending out? Is it text or is it a program? Anyway I'm interested in it. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 04:18:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA29915 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:36:40 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA29910 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:36:38 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA19315 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:35:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199601100835.DAA19315@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:32:52 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug LoConti: >Sega can't touch us, since this is FANDOM, and we're not making a buck off >of it. In other words, it's legal to make this game. Not that I don't want this to be done or something like that, but if it features characters created by SEGA then it is in violation of copyright laws, because if SEGA ever decides to make a PC Sonic game, they would lose money. Who would buy a Sonic game from SEGA when they could get one for free over the Net? Fanfic and Fanart are a bit different because they don't really take profit away from the company (see ongoing legal discussion with WB in alt.tv.animaniacs or another group like that). Like I said I'd like it to be done, but don't think SEGA will ignore it if they find out about it. >If you decide to join/help our "team", you will have your name in the credits! :) >And who knows where it leads from >there.... >>hopefully<< $ega will buy our little "idea", and we'll all get >rich. Or jail time :) I wouldn't go pushing the game to SEGA after you make it if I were you. They probably wouldn't be too happy that you decided to make a game for them without their knowledge and now they're supposed to pay you for it. Other than that I'm for it, I'd just keep it low profile. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 04:21:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA29935 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:06 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA29930 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:03 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA19356 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:36:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199601100836.DAA19356@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:33:45 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug LoConti: >Sega can't touch us, since this is FANDOM, and we're not making a buck off >of it. In other words, it's legal to make this game. Not that I don't want this to be done or something like that, but if it features characters created by SEGA then it is in violation of copyright laws, because if SEGA ever decides to make a PC Sonic game, they would lose money. Who would buy a Sonic game from SEGA when they could get one for free over the Net? Fanfic and Fanart are a bit different because they don't really take profit away from the company (see ongoing legal discussion with WB in alt.tv.animaniacs or another group like that). Like I said I'd like it to be done, but don't think SEGA will ignore it if they find out about it. >If you decide to join/help our "team", you will have your name in the credits! :) >And who knows where it leads from >there.... >>hopefully<< $ega will buy our little "idea", and we'll all get >rich. Or jail time :) I wouldn't go pushing the game to SEGA after you make it if I were you. They probably wouldn't be too happy that you decided to make a game for them without their knowledge and now they're supposed to pay you for it. Other than that I'm for it, I'd just keep it low profile. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 04:28:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA29946 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:44 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA29941 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:41 -0500 Received: from @eden-backend.rutgers.edu (excaliber.com [205.148.222.2]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA19369 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199601100837.DAA19369@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:34:39 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: 'Twisted Mettle' Plot? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug LoConti: >Sega can't touch us, since this is FANDOM, and we're not making a buck off >of it. In other words, it's legal to make this game. Not that I don't want this to be done or something like that, but if it features characters created by SEGA then it is in violation of copyright laws, because if SEGA ever decides to make a PC Sonic game, they would lose money. Who would buy a Sonic game from SEGA when they could get one for free over the Net? Fanfic and Fanart are a bit different because they don't really take profit away from the company (see ongoing legal discussion with WB in alt.tv.animaniacs or another group like that). Like I said I'd like it to be done, but don't think SEGA will ignore it if they find out about it. >If you decide to join/help our "team", you will have your name in the credits! :) >And who knows where it leads from >there.... >>hopefully<< $ega will buy our little "idea", and we'll all get >rich. Or jail time :) I wouldn't go pushing the game to SEGA after you make it if I were you. They probably wouldn't be too happy that you decided to make a game for them without their knowledge and now they're supposed to pay you for it. Other than that I'm for it, I'd just keep it low profile. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 09:01:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA17914 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:55:39 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA17695 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:55:31 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08890; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:55:28 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA28948; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:55:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199601101355.IAA28948@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic #32 [for FAQ File] To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:55:26 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960109094858.ae5@engr.erie.ge.com> from "Ron Bauerle" at Jan 9, 96 09:48:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ron: Just hitting the highlights: > > >[Note: Funny, I'd have thought someone else would have commented on this > >issue by now. Oh,well. > > Two reasons: while I think we enjoy reading each other's reviews of the > comics, they don't seem to generate much discussion, thus why bother? > > Also, you do such a good job of skewering the stories, er, pointing out > areas for improvement :^) that you're a hard act to follow (or precede, or > whatever :^)) > Thanks for the kind words. > > Sonic accidentally causes a speedup in the thawing process and Mobie > >promptly begins running amok. Bunnie trees Mobie until he calms down. > > Nice action sequence with Bunnie, but I'm afraid I'm beginning to agree > with Chris Baird's assessment of her depiction as a "kewpie doll"... > Agreed. I also should have mentioned that I liked the sequence where Mobie rescues Sonic before he becomes robodog chow. Like the opening sequence of the prologue to the Sally miniseries (#20) -- I'm a sucker for sequences where there's no dialogue and the story has to be told visually. > >Anti-Mobie sentiment begins to grow (Antoine: "He is ze librarian!" > >Sally : "I think you mean 'barbarian,' Antoine." Just for the record > >I'M the librarian, and I have the Master's degree in library science to > >prove it! > > I'm tempted to ask if the job market for that would be worth the time and > effort for me to get one of those after 14+ years in electronics > engineering, but that's a subject for e-mail :^) > When I graduated in the late 70s, the job market for librarians was horrible! At the time, a lot of libraries were pooling their resources and joining consortia. Things may be different now because so many libraries are being impacted by the information revolution or whatever you call it. > > >some quick drawing in the dirt before Mobie tries taking Muttski apart. > >The story is wrapped up in short order: Muttski's mind is restored and > >Mobie is dropped off in a Mobian jungle. > > And of course he'll get over the loss of his family, etc., etc.... > I'm really beginning to get bugged by the tendency to wrap up/dispose of stories by the last page, no matter how nonsensical the solution. It's a sign of bad writing, period. > > > "Tundra Road" Part 2 > > >Rotor is indeed saved by two of the polar Mobians left over from "Way Way > >Past Cool" (Sonic #26): Sealia the seal (who didn't have any lines the first > >time but who has now acquired a copy of Antoine's dimestore French accent) > > I noticed she doesn't have legs (yet Rotor does) - what did she have in #26? > Hard to tell. She's in two long shots; in one of them, she COULD have legs but it's hard to tell. Call it artistic license. > >The polar Mobians separate Rotor from the herd by setting the herd adrift > >on an ice floe. Rotor vows to return to release the herd from Robotnik's > >influence...if the zombified herd doesn't die of starvation in the meantime. > > Details, details... > See above. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 09:31:03 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA19429 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:22:10 -0500 Received: from crdems.ge.com (root@crdems.GE.COM [192.35.44.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA19418 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:22:06 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com by crdems.ge.com (5.65/GE 1.77) id AA28144; Wed, 10 Jan 96 09:16:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 9:15:23 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960110091523.1732@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sonic #32 [for FAQ File] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >I also should have mentioned that I liked the sequence where Mobie rescues >Sonic before he becomes robodog chow. Like the opening sequence of the >prologue to the Sally miniseries (#20) -- I'm a sucker for sequences >where there's no dialogue and the story has to be told visually. Now that you mention it, when I saw the panel with him getting the cliched light-bulb to represent an idea, I thought a candle or oil lamp would have been more fitting for a prehistoric bear/ape/whatever, but the point probably would've gone over the kiddies' heads :^) Ron From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 09:46:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA19206 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:15:12 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA19194 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:15:07 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id BAA13000 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:14:48 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA24789; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:59:09 +1100 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:59:09 +1100 Message-Id: <199601100859.TAA24789@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-reply-to: uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca's message of 10 Jan 1996 14:46:25 +1100 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Re: Roboticization Process References: Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net John, > Has anyone ever explained the roboticization process in some > (imaginary) detail? I think it'd be a bit interesting to know > somewhat how it works (or, theoretically how it should work). I'm thinking of the Robotisation Chamber as a modified Star Trek (or "The Fly 1986") -like transporter that modifies everything in situ.. (Nanites might take longer to complete the process than is desired.) The process might start on the limbs first, replacing the nerves, skeleton, et al, with digital analogues, fabricating any extra hardware and disintegrating the squishy wet stuff.. The guts of the entire thing is just your general energy/solid matter conversion-- any good Energy Systems textbook written after 2130 will detail the process in better detail than I could explain here. With the cybernetics, the Chambers have a database of standard designs and interpolate according to the subject's species. (The original model Robotisation Chamber had insufficiently annotated data to deal with some primitive Bird and Reptile genera, so during the War it was typical to exterminate these subjects. Most of the larger reptiles couldn't fit inside the Chambers anyway. :) [I think I'll quit now before I make a bigger rambling idiot of myself. :] For a Derobotisation process, it would just be the comparatively trivial process of removing the synthetic parts and referring to the subject's DNA to reconstruct the original flesh. I've already suggested before that Bunnie and the other 'bots would most definitely need a cybernetic maintenence system (like the biological immune system & etc), if just to keep the synthetic parts from wearing down. I supposed that the CEM would already be intelligent enough from everyday operation to have enough smarts for adapting to Bunnie's case. (NB that Bunnie doesn't have the bone marrow to create enough blood cells any more..) I've also reckoned Bunnie's skeletal system would be completely synthetic, given the loads she's placed on it. What I would really like to know though is would she like a nice cool glass of 30 weight. >:) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 13:39:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA07970 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:25:11 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA07964 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:25:05 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id FAA18925 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:25:01 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA06889; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:25:08 +1100 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:25:08 +1100 Message-Id: <199601101625.DAA06889@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-reply-to: BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com's message of 10 Jan 1996 11:04:11 +1100 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Re: Sonic #32 [for FAQ File] References: <960109094858.ae5@engr.erie.ge.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Dan, >> Cover art: Pat Spaziante seems to be making his mark as a cover >> artist, and a dynamic one at that. And he continues to push the >> outside of the envelope in his drawings of Sally. Talk about a >> tail to astonish....! Note that the front covers from the last few issues have depicted Sally as the uncharacteristic `Damsel in Distress'-- I don't like this at all. >> "Blast From The Past" (3 parts) > Nice action sequence with Bunnie A improvement over her previous "background artist" role. Her presence was even vital to the story and had several lines this issue. >> [..] The story is wrapped up in short order: Muttski's mind is >> restored and Mobie is dropped off in a Mobian jungle. > And of course he'll get over the loss of his family, etc., > etc.... ..all by the last panel. Hey, if you become too cynical, can you forward the remainder of your subscription to me? :) >> I'm really beginning to get bugged by the tendency to wrap up/dispose >> of stories by the last page, no matter how nonsensical the solution. >> It's a sign of bad writing, period. It's a pity no one wants to risk the N.American market with a more Manga-styled comic (ie: over 400 pages apiece, time taken for full characterisations, etc.) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 14:03:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA08838 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:47 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA08832 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:44 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA29279; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Who owns? (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 02:04:14 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: Who owns? I think that Packbell and Bookshire belong to David Pistone. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 14:16:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA08803 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:40:35 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA08798 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:40:33 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA29233; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:40:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:40:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Roboticization Process (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 02:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: Roboticization Process The process is described somewhat in Dan Drazen's fanfic "Bloodlines", which can be found on Bookshire's homepage. The story's long, but it's a classic! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 14:21:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA08936 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:43:58 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA08931 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:43:53 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24681; Wed, 10 Jan 96 13:49:33 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 40347W Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:42:38 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Other Sonics Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:02:33 GMT Message-Id: <96011013423956564@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: Ron Bauerle -> To: bort.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:28:11 -0500 (EST) -> Subject: Re: Other Sonics -> -> >From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) -> -> > Here following is the parts so far finished of Other Sonics:The -> >barbarian. Yes, they are kind of fractured, but the mail service -> >I have (a Wildcat BBS) only allows me at most 150 lines per message. -> >Which, I think you will all agree, is less than cool. Oh well... -> -> Hurray!!! -> -> Most enjoyable fan-fic I've read in a long time!!! -> -> If you want, I'll post it on alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog and -> alt.fan.furry for you... -> -> What more can I say except: -> -> >Subj: other sonics (4/4) ... up to you guys if I continue... -> -> Please do!!! -> -> RDB Well, thank you. POst it on alt.fan.sonic, sure... I ain't certain that it's appropriate for alt.fan.furry, tho... (besides, the flame potential is pretty heavy there... rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 14:28:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA08921 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:43:12 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA08906 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:43:09 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA29420; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:43:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Sonic Fanfic (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 02:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Sonic Fanfic I agree that some of the Sonic fanfic isn't very good, but much of it's excellent! "Bloodlines", "The Temporal Syndrome", and "Capture the Flag" are three of my favorites, but there are many others. Bottom line: don't let one bad story turn you off to sonic fanfic. Give it a chance! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 15:55:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA18069 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:37:31 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA18056 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:37:11 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA25365 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:36:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:36:37 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960110153637.1732@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sonic #32 [for FAQ File] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au >Note that the front covers from the last few issues have depicted >Sally as the uncharacteristic `Damsel in Distress'-- I don't like >this at all. Good point... >> And of course he'll get over the loss of his family, etc., etc.... >..all by the last panel. Hey, if you become too cynical, >can you forward the remainder of your subscription to me? :) I buy them monthly at a local shop (but they screwed up last month - I had to hunt to get #32) >It's a pity no one wants to risk the N.American market with a more >Manga-styled comic (ie: over 400 pages apiece, time taken for full >characterisations, etc.) 400??? Gak! I can't even keep up with Sonic, Star Trek, and Disney comics at 15-30 pages each - I can't imagine a comic/story/characters good enough that I'd go for 400 pages/month (but if I had to ride a subway 1 hour each way to work and back like most Japanese, that would be different :^)) RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 16:19:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA18814 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:45:44 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA18721 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:45:34 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA26514 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:45:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960110154524.1732@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Other Sonics Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) >-> If you want, I'll post it on alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog and >-> alt.fan.furry for you... > POst it on alt.fan.sonic, sure... Done. I put both of our names on the Reply-To: header. BTW, I fixed a couple typos and tinkered with the margins a bit - hope that's OK... >I ain't certain that it's appropriate for alt.fan.furry, tho... >(besides, the flame potential is pretty heavy there... Too true, unfortunately, though I haven't seen fan-fic flamed there. But I only posted it to a.f.sh. RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 16:24:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA21143 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:07:19 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA21138 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:07:16 -0500 Received: from hp-11.cae.wisc.edu (firmiss@hp-11.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.42]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA04986 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:07:13 -0600 From: James Firmiss Received: (from firmiss@localhost) by hp-11.cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail/CAE1.0) id PAA03245 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:07:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601102107.PAA03245@hp-11.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:07:13 CST In-Reply-To: ; from "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" at Jan 6, 96 6:07 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Holy Macaroni! I step away from my account for 5 days and I get 150 messages on this list. I don't want to shut off the info about 'Twisted-Mettle' however I think alot of the discussion here can be shuffled off to private e-mail. Perhaps occasional (weekly?) updates and lists of 'submitted suggestions' might be useful and more tolarable for those not actively involved with this game. Back to the topic I was going to talk about... > On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: > > > Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively hates > > Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC episodes, Snively and > > Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite alot? I can't think of any > > examples, but I do know that somehow. > > As far as I can see in the cartoon, Snively always grumbles things like > "That big round guy" and the such. They have quite a tense relationship. I noticed that Snively's feelings tward Robotnik seemed to have changed a bit from the 1st season to the 2nd. In the first season I felt that Snively shared Robotnik's 'vision' although he fearful of his uncle's rage. In the 2nd season, Snively was considerably more 'defiant' to Robotnik's rule (e.g. muttering insults) and was just going along with him partially out of fear but also because he knew he could take over if/when Robotnik made a fatal mistake. We were never quite sure how different Snively's 'vision' was from Robotnik's. [I also heard the TV show 'Deadly Games' has been cancelled too... Bummer... I liked that one] From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 17:04:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA22109 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:28:21 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA22103 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:28:17 -0500 Received: from hp-11.cae.wisc.edu (firmiss@hp-11.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.42]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA06104 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:28:14 -0600 From: James Firmiss Received: (from firmiss@localhost) by hp-11.cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail/CAE1.0) id PAA03398 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:28:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601102128.PAA03398@hp-11.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Sally and Sonic To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:28:15 CST In-Reply-To: <960107165259_34548577@emout05.mail.aol.com>; from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 7, 96 4:53 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Erich Shulman asked: >> I was reading the synopses of past issues of the Sonic comic book >> (in this list's FAQ), and I came across one synopsis (for Sonic >> #18) that mentioned Robotnick learning of Sonic and Sally's "impending" >> wedding. Was this wedding part of the fantasy induced by Robotnick >> in Sleepy Hollow, or was the wedding for real? >> >> Are they married now? >> >> Please let me know, as these issues came out before I subscribed >> to the comic. Dmitry Murashchik replied: > I think that all of this was real, but the marriage didn't do through, > due to Robotnik. So, I gues the answer is: > No, they are not maried. If I remember correctly, the wedding was part of a play they were putting on. Robotnik confused it with a real one. I have Sonic #18 (as well as all the other Archie Sonic comics) so I can look it up to make sure. Arg... still quite a few mailings to go thorugh. -- James Firmiss From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 17:51:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA26169 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:15:20 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA26157 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:15:16 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA03255 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:14:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:14:44 -0500 Message-ID: <960110171443_87395842@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Who is the oldest Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-09 09:20 EST, Dan Drazen wrote: >> BTW - Isn't Sally a little older than Sonic? >They may be the same age chronologically, but Sally has always >struck me as being more mature than Sonic. A fine distinction >but an important one. When I said that, I meant agewise. I heard it mentioned someplace, but I don't recall where. Maybe it was said in "Blast To The Past", maybe it was stated that Sonic's age was fifteen, when Sally's was sixteen, I don't remember. But I do believe that Sally is about two to three month older than Sonic. | ooooooooooooooo \ |oo0000000000000000OOOOOoo o" 000"" ""OOOOOo ----0 "o"---- Dmitry "OOOO 0000 \ (Sonic Fan) OOOO ______________________________ o000| Murashchik OOOo / \ 000 | OO: |"If it ain't blue, don't get it"| 000 Sculptor/Writer/Hacker O:: | - ME (A rule I try to follow)| 000 Collector, ::: | | "000 And all that other :::" | "You are doubting my increible | 00OO stuff :::: | couraje?","Of course!" | OOOOo _ _ _ o:::: | -Antoine and Dulcy in | ":::::oo / \/ \/ \ oo:::::" | "Spyhog" | ""::::::(_)(_)(_)::::::"" \___ ______________________/ """"""""""/ /"" \ / \ / \ / 8OOOOOO8 // I I / From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 18:25:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA28782 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:56:31 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA28777 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:56:28 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15025 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:55:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:55:57 -0500 Message-ID: <960110175557_87423870@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Roboticization Process Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On 96-01-09 21:03:14 EST, John Bintz wrote: >Has anyone ever explained the roboticization process in some (imaginary) >detail? I think it'd be a bit interesting to know somewhat how it works >(or, theoretically how it should work). I believe that the process has been described in a couple of stories (one of them is "Nanowars") as Nanites. It was stated that Nanites, microscopic robots built litterally molecule by molecule, ocupy the beam that comes down un the subject, and infect the body. After that, they gradually replace every cell by a synthetic one, thus avoiding the need for DNA scan (replace each cell with it's synthetic simily? think about it). After the process is complete (and it doesn't take too long), the beam is cut off, and the nanites are rejected by body as foreighn material. (As stated in Bloodlines, the body is not completely metalic. Also, the synthetic parts seem to be undetected by the body ) \ |oo0000000000000000OOOOOoo ________________________________ ----0 "o"---- Dmitry "OOOO /"If it ain't blue, don't get it"\ 0000 \ (Sonic Fan) OOOO | -ME (A rule I try to follow) | o000| Murashchik OOOo | | 000 Sculptor/Writer/Hacker O:: | "You are doubting my increible | 000 Collector, ::: | couraje?","Of course!" | "000 And all that other :::" | -Antoine and Dulcy in | 00OO stuff :::: | "Spyhog" | OOOOo _ _ _ o:::: \________________________________/ ":::::oo / \/ \/ \ oo:::::" \ / ""::::::(_)(_)(_)::::::"" \ / """"""""""/ /"" // \ / / (Sorry about the logo Dan, I'm still working on it) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 18:40:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA00535 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:13:17 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA00524 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:13:13 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA22419 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:12:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:12:42 -0500 Message-ID: <960110181241_37749100@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Robotnik & Snively Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: 96-01-10 16:25:20 EST From: firmiss@cae.wisc.edu (James Firmiss) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Reply-to: sonic@bort.mv.net To: sonic@bort.mv.net >>On Mon, 1 Jan 1996 MDmitry@aol.com wrote: >> >>>Did anyone of you notice that in some written stories, Snively hates >>>Robotnik, and want's to do away with him, while in DiC episodes, Snively and >>>Robotnik enjoy each other's company quite alot? I can't think of any >>>examples, but I do know that somehow. >> >>As far as I can see in the cartoon, Snively always grumbles things like >>"That big round guy" and the such. They have quite a tense relationship. > >I noticed that Snively's feelings tward Robotnik seemed to have changed >a bit from the 1st season to the 2nd. In the first season I felt that >Snively shared Robotnik's 'vision' although he fearful of his uncle's >rage. In the 2nd season, Snively was considerably more 'defiant' to >Robotnik's rule (e.g. muttering insults) and was just going along with >him partially out of fear but also because he knew he could take over >if/when Robotnik made a fatal mistake. We were never quite sure how >different Snively's 'vision' was from Robotnik's. Didn't my explanation get to the list? I did post it to the list. I think the subject was "Ex on R and S". >[I also heard the TV show 'Deadly Games' has been cancelled too... > Bummer... I liked that one] I think I was watching it about a week ago. \ |oo0000000000000000OOOOOoo ________________________________ ----0 "o"---- Dmitry "OOOO /"If it ain't blue, don't get it"\ 0000 \ (Sonic Fan) OOOO | -ME (A rule I try to follow) | o000| Murashchik OOOo | | 000 Sculptor/Writer/Hacker O:: | "You are doubting my increible | 000 Collector, ::: | couraje?","Of course!" | "000 And all that other :::" | -Antoine and Dulcy in | 00OO stuff :::: | "Spyhog" | OOOOo _ _ _ o:::: \________________________________/ ":::::oo / \/ \/ \ oo:::::" \ / ""::::::(_)(_)(_)::::::"" \ / """"""""""/ /"" // \ / / From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 18:54:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA00810 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:23:32 -0500 Received: from vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (uv334@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca [199.60.222.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA00798 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:23:29 -0500 Received: (from uv334@localhost) by vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27842; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:23:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Bintz Subject: Re: Roboticization Process To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199601100859.TAA24789@brushtail.hna.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Wed, 10 Jan 1996 list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au wrote: > > Has anyone ever explained the roboticization process in some > > (imaginary) detail? I think it'd be a bit interesting to know > > somewhat how it works (or, theoretically how it should work). > > I'm thinking of the Robotisation Chamber as a modified Star Trek (or > "The Fly 1986") -like transporter that modifies everything in situ.. > (Nanites might take longer to complete the process than is desired.) > The process might start on the limbs first, replacing the nerves, > skeleton, et al, with digital analogues, fabricating any extra > hardware and disintegrating the squishy wet stuff.. [Ramblings about the future 8^)] > For a Derobotisation process, it would just be the comparatively > trivial process of removing the synthetic parts and referring to > the subject's DNA to reconstruct the original flesh. > Here's my two cents on the topic: I think the matter-energy-matter thing is right, but I don't think the replacement is by part-its by cell. The cells could be replaced with small, mechanical versions of their biological counterparts, performing the same operations, but, obviously, with much greater resiliance to the elements and use. How do they stay together? Very high magnetic fields around each cell hold them all together in their proper order and configuration, allowing those incredible feats of strength by our roboticized friends. Deroboticization--if the entire creature is roboticizted, there would be no original DNA (I think), so the cells (the mechanical ones) store the DNA info and all the other stuff for a deroboticizer to put back together. Now that I've explained it, who has the free time to build one for me? If you do, I'll let you be the first "guniea pig"! 8^) John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * WWW: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/10794/home.html Now Surfing the 'Net on his Amiga!! "Marge, Marge, Marge... When kids today say 'bad', they mean 'good'... And to 'shake your booty' means to wiggle one's butt... Permit me to demonstrate..." -Homer Simpson From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 21:47:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA13250 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:38:16 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA13245 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:38:13 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04384 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:37:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: <960110213731_37978356@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: RPG on its way. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-08 00:15:17 EST, you write: > Now that's over.... > How old is the oldest Freedom Fighter? In America On-Line's version of the Sonic Stories, that would be Bear (a.k.a. The Hermit). His age ranks in the four digits... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<---Get BAMned!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 23:52:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA18711 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:53:42 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA18706 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:53:35 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA06170 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:53:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:53:02 -0500 Message-ID: <960110225258_38068412@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Who owns? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I *don't* own Brookshire or Packbell!! They belong to the dude who does Brookshire's rat.org Sonic Stories Page. Don't try to get me in trouble with the copywright lawyers {8-} please? David G From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 23:54:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA18776 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:55:08 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA18771 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:55:04 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA11135; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:55:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic Fanfic (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: Sonic Fanfic (fwd) > > This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author > directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 02:59:34 -0500 (EST) > From: Theodore Patri Perrotti > To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti > Subject: Sonic Fanfic > > I agree that some of the Sonic fanfic isn't very good, but much of > it's excellent! "Bloodlines", "The Temporal Syndrome", and "Capture the > Flag" are three of my favorites, but there are many others. Bottom line: > don't let one bad story turn you off to sonic fanfic. Give it a chance! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog > > Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) > perrottit.mbr@asme.org > > Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester > Polytechnic Institute > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sorry. I would have liked to send the above reply directly to one person, but couldn't find his e-mail address. I don't remember the person's name, but this message is a response to their recent post saying that they only read one Sonic fanfic, didn't like it, and then didn't read any more Sonic fanfics. Whoever you are, I hope you get my message and change your mind. See above .sig for my name. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 10 23:57:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA20453 for sonic-ll; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:12:07 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA20448 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:12:05 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19460 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:11:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:11:33 -0500 Message-ID: <960110224843_38063665@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic and Sally's speed thingy Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-09 16:49:26 EST, you write: >In Bam Sally comments on getting new boots after super speeding ...I >take it she wore them out.... Yet we never see nore here anything about >Sonic needing to get new sneakers. Are they of some special construction >to withstand his speed, and if so, why dosnt sally get a pair????? > > She got them in Minoc Grove. Nothing else is mentioned about it because of space on my files, and come on, I shouldn't be the *only* one keeping in mind that Sally can now juice. The MechTail series are an example... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 02:16:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA01346 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:08:19 -0500 Received: from er6.rutgers.edu (er6.rutgers.edu [165.230.144.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA01336 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:08:15 -0500 Received: (from empire@localhost) by er6.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) id CAA15407 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:08:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 02:08:39 -0500 From: Michael Kraft Message-Id: <199601110708.CAA15407@er6.rutgers.edu> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Roboticization Process (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 06:58:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA15309 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:47:47 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA15266 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:47:42 -0500 Received: from p30-ts1.en.net (p30-ts1.en.net [206.148.85.129]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id GAA29177 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:49:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:49:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601111149.GAA29177@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Problems with fanfic Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ahh yes, the glories of writing your own stories about our favorite blue wonder..... new friends arrive, old friends go....and, though the wonder and simplicity of writing a story comes the trouble....it's not all as simple as it seems. Back in my AOL and Fraudigy days, there were many talented writers on both nets that liked to expand the stories and even update Sega's views on how Mobius should run. But, as I fly through the stories, numerous conflicts between them arise. One simple conflict would be (I won't go into specifics, and this is NOT an attack for those that cannot determine that,) in one story I read Uncle Chuck is alive, well, and "de-robotisized", and it another, (the one I prefer, because as of now, I don't think their is (or should be) a way to de-robotisize people,) he is still under Robotnick's controll, and a full robot. This brings two problems: 1) Is any one right? That is, which story flies? And 2) Can there/should there be different stories going? Well, I've decided we need to have stories meet, and (through a SINGLE story I'm working on, very long,) I may be able to do it. Which brings me to my SECOND question/comment: the process of robotisizing itself: in stories, it is my OPPINION, (not an attack, I'm sick of getting into debates because people think I'm attacking other people,) that we NEED to keep the robotisization in the stories. I have reasons to back this. They are: 1) Ever watch an old cartoon and the bad guys ALWAYS seem to escape? There's a reason for that. It's so the cartoon continues next week. :) Same applies here. If we figure out how do de-robotisize people, Robotnik's lost. That's the end of the stories. Think of it: even if Robotnik is still in power, all the freedom fighters have to do is un-robotisize the others, and it doesn't matter HOW powerful Robotnik is, we'd still win by a sheer onslaught of force. Well, anyone agree/disagree with this? Let's get some posting on this to see what people have to say. BTW-I don't write stories much, and this one I'm working on is VERY long, I just hope it's good. :) (IF it is, it'll answer LOSTSA questions, and throw things back in line, story wise..) Later all....off to the hardships of school! -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 09:16:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA23743 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:55:40 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA23704 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:55:36 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21660; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:55:33 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA17001; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:55:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199601111355.IAA17001@edmund> Subject: Re: Problems with fanfic To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:55:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601111149.GAA29177@en.com> from "Doug LoConti" at Jan 11, 96 06:49:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ah, Doug, you've touched a nerve of mine... Since I began compiling the FAQ file, I've found that there is one aspect of the stories that only the absolute devotee addresses: the canonicity of the stories. This is behind the near-universal rejection of the "Adentures of Sonic the Hedgehog" cartoons when it comes to having anything to say about Mobius. The weekend cartoons, OTOH, achieved almost overnight canonicity. Since the Archie comics are in the process of tracking the SatAM toon Mobius more seriously, they, too, are edging toward being taken seriously as part of the canon. I can't expound on this at length here but you'll find that the fanfic community can be pretty lenient about alternative Sonic stories so long as the essential characters are still themselves. I kind of liken it to the body of tales of some saint or other being made manifest in some French backwater village. It'll work for the faithful unless it's obviously heretical in content. [Sorry; when you're a theology major you end up talking this way ;-) ]. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 10:35:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA29381 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:14:29 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA29362 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:14:21 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA09947 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:14:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:14:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960111101407.2322@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Problems with fanfic Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) >as I fly through the stories, numerous conflicts between them arise. (deleted) >Well, I've decided we need to have stories meet, and (through a SINGLE story >I'm working on, very long,) I may be able to do it. Careful, that's what DC tried with "Crisis on Infinite Earths" and IMVNSHO made things worse - shortly after that I dropped all their titles except Star Trek, and now even that's coming to an end... >Which brings me to my SECOND question/comment: the process of robotisizing >itself: in stories, it is my OPPINION, (not an attack, I'm sick of getting >into debates because people think I'm attacking other people,) that we NEED >to keep the robotisization in the stories. I have reasons to back this. >They are: >1) Ever watch an old cartoon and the bad guys ALWAYS seem to escape? >There's a reason for that. It's so the cartoon continues next week. :) >Same applies here. If we figure out how do de-robotisize people, Robotnik's >lost. That's the end of the stories. Good point; I liked how the Sat. AM series did it: they gave Uncle Chuck his mind back, and showed that the derobotization process was feasible, but didn't quite get there, thus had something to continue to strive for. But that still doesn't justify the abrupt end to the series :^( (but that's a separate thread :^)) >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >I can't expound on this at length here but you'll find that the fanfic >community can be pretty lenient about alternative Sonic stories so long >as the essential characters are still themselves. The only one I've read so far is "Other Sonics", which is kind of the wrong example since it's deliberately set in an alternate Sonic universe. But I agree that as long as the characters are themselves, and any additional ones don't get in the way of that, then I have no real problem with it. Examples: I like the presence of Bookshire (though he seems somewhat superfluous with Rotor around), but I have problems with Packwood - one, his sheer evil tends to really make the stories he's in rather grim, and two, I find it hard to believe Robotnik would create something that even had the possibility of overthrowing him... (nothing personal against the creator(s) of these characters, BTW :^)) RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 11:04:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA03355 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA03334 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:56:46 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA18053; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:56:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:56:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:08:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Subject: Fanfic, and other things..... Ive just read mightys mail about fanfic..... And must say i disagree with him on it. It is good to have diffrent ideas of how mobius might progress, each a parrallel universe to another. This allows everyone to have a vision of what they think happens, and allows us, to read each story for its own worth, and to consider it on its own merits. I mean the BAM storyline, i realy like it, but some of what happens contradicts other storys... So what, its still a good story, i like to feel that it is set in a parrallel to the other story, thus the problem of contridictions is solved. Also about the robotisizer, also a good idea in my point of view...BUT remeber Robotniks Forces have main robotisizers, these i have been lead to belive can do many at once, where as the FF only have a one at a time BLUE robotisizer, this means that they now have a weapon to use agenst robotnik, but robotnik still has an edge so to speak. For every one the FF derobotisise, Robuttnik can do many, possible hundreds. Well tare this to pices if you want, it may make an intresting discussion. Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ???Riddle me this, What type of man has BATS on his Brain??? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 19:14:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA07752 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:56:53 -0500 Received: from siue.edu (clavin.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA07744 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:56:50 -0500 Received: from LAB_B_18 (lib59.aclib.siue.edu [146.163.16.89]) by siue.edu (8.6.10/8.6.11+) with SMTP id RAA17714 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:55:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199601112355.RAA17714@siue.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 18:08:19 -0800 From: David Gonterman Organization: FoxFire Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: I agree with Kain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I side with with Eric Goodwin on this point. The Sonic universe does *not* contain just stories on Sonic. For an explaination of my position on Fan Fiction. I have an item on my newsletter that I'll keep up for a while... http://users.aol.com/ffstudio3/letter.html David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 19:18:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA05056 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:38:29 -0500 Received: from siue.edu (clavin.isg.siue.edu [146.163.5.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA05051 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:38:27 -0500 Received: from LAB_B_18 (lib59.aclib.siue.edu [146.163.16.89]) by siue.edu (8.6.10/8.6.11+) with SMTP id RAA17240 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:37:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199601112337.RAA17240@siue.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 17:49:41 -0800 From: David Gonterman Organization: FoxFire Studios X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: I don't *call*, I *E-Mail* Archie Comics :-) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey, Don't sweat it, Mr. Castigia. I just hope that my submission has made it to the appointed address . . . But on the lighter note, I'm wondering what's going on with the other Archie Comics. I hear that you're getting rid of TMNT, correct me if I'm wrong. (I did see Splinter as a human, *that* would be a sign.) I know that it's outside the scope of the mailing list, so just respond to my E-mail address: David Gonterman (dgonterman@aol.com) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 19:26:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA06468 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:50:22 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA06463 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:50:17 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA02432 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:49:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:46:08 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: quozl@netcom.com CC: sonic@bort.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960111184608.2322@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Problems with fanfic Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> superfluous with Rotor around), but I have problems with Packwood - one, > ^^^^^^^^ >You mean "Packbell", I believe... Oops! Wonder if anybody else caught that (especially the creator of the character :^)) >(Named for the prominent California telephone company...) As opposed to the even-more-prominent ex-Senator - I hope that wasn't a Freudian slip on my part :^) Ron From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 20:28:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA09555 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:42:59 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA09550 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:42:57 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA27652; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:42:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Problems with fanfic (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to quozl@netcom.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:30:43 -0800 (PST) From: D.M. Quozl Falk To: Ron Bauerle Cc: quozl@netcom.com, sonic@bort.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Subject: Re: Problems with fanfic > > >> superfluous with Rotor around), but I have problems with Packwood - one, > > ^^^^^^^^ > >You mean "Packbell", I believe... > > Oops! Wonder if anybody else caught that (especially the creator of the > character :^)) :) > >(Named for the prominent California telephone company...) > > As opposed to the even-more-prominent ex-Senator - I hope that wasn't a > Freudian slip on my part :^) Well, both are [CENSORED], IMO.... ....Quozl! (In glorious HOT (85+ deg. F!) Irvine, CA...) -- Presidential Candidate for the Third Millenium! Quozl for Prez in 2000! Dennis M. Falk, aka "Quozl Mephit" : 221 Huntoon St. Eureka, CA 95501-4115 USA Writer, Furry fan, Cartoon fan, Music lover : "A Novel Experience!" Skunks, skunks, skunks! : Tiny Toons forever! : Snapple me! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 20:49:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA10106 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:47:52 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA10101 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:47:47 -0500 Received: from by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id AAA12257; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:45:30 GMT Received: by (5.0/8.6.9) id AA03524 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:44:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:44:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9601120044.AA03524@> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: I agree with Kain From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 1531 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Jan 11, 1996 18:08:19, 'David Gonterman ' wrote: >I side with with Eric Goodwin on this point. The Sonic universe does >*not* contain just stories on Sonic. For an explaination of my position >on Fan Fiction. I have an item on my newsletter that I'll keep up for a >while... Thanks for siding with me... Now, I know its getting kinda bothersome to some about seeing alot of new characters coming up, but then again, how could some even be made that were good without these new characters? For example, How would David Prower exist, if it wasnt for Bookshire and rotor creating him? Without Bookshire there, who is an added character, I seriously doubt David would have been made. And how could we ever forget Packbell? That, in my opinion, is a good added character. Gives Robotniks side an edge not found in the TV show. I'm not saying its wrong to have new characters, but I also belive that if one is created, it should be developed well... I'm working my butt off trying to develop Kain more, and trying to get a good second story idea made... Just takes time. I don't like to rush story ideas just to slap them on Bookshires WWW page. I try to make something WORTH reading. I'm still new to writing stories, so thats another thing slowing me down. I've enjoyed almost every Sonic story on that site; with or without the new characters. Im my opinion, if you think you can make a new charcter to put in a story, whith a purpose, and well-developed, I say go for it. Kain Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 20:49:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA09478 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:41:09 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA09467 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:41:06 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA27538; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:41:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Comments from Sonic list about fan-fic (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to quozl@netcom.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:55:07 -0800 (PST) From: D.M. Quozl Falk To: Ron Bauerle Cc: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Subject: Re: Comments from Sonic list about fan-fic I'm writing this at CF7, BTW... > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 06:49:18 -0500 (EST) > To: sonic@bort.mv.net > From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) > Subject: Problems with fanfic > > Ahh yes, the glories of writing your own stories about our favorite blue > wonder..... new friends arrive, old friends go....and, though the wonder and > simplicity of writing a story comes the trouble....it's not all as simple as > it seems. Back in my AOL and Fraudigy days, there were many talented > writers on both nets that liked to expand the stories and even update Sega's > views on how Mobius should run. But, as I fly through the stories, numerous > conflicts between them arise. One simple conflict would be (I won't go into > specifics, and this is NOT an attack for those that cannot determine that,) > in one story I read Uncle Chuck is alive, well, and "de-robotisized", and it > another, (the one I prefer, because as of now, I don't think their is (or > should be) a way to de-robotisize people,) he is still under Robotnick's > controll, and a full robot. This brings two problems: 1) Is any one right? > That is, which story flies? And 2) Can there/should there be different > stories going? Well, I've decided we need to have stories meet, and > (through a SINGLE story I'm working on, very long,) I may be able to do it. Truth be, no single story is ever really "right" or "wrong", but simply a matter of how the writer views the characters. That being said, there's also different versions of what is "canon" in the StH universe, coming from Sega, two versions from DiC, and the ever-evolving Archie comics, as well as a sort of "shared universe" here on the Internet with certain original characters created by fan writers that get used by others, such as Bookshire and Packbell. ....Quozl! -- Presidential Candidate for the Third Millenium! Quozl for Prez in 2000! Dennis M. Falk, aka "Quozl Mephit" : 221 Huntoon St. Eureka, CA 95501-4115 USA Writer, Furry fan, Cartoon fan, Music lover : "A Novel Experience!" Skunks, skunks, skunks! : Tiny Toons forever! : Snapple me! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 22:21:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA16345 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:17:40 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA16336 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:17:18 -0500 Received: from p18-ts1.en.net (p18-ts1.en.net [206.148.85.117]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA18560 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:19:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:19:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601120219.VAA18560@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Ive just read mightys mail about fanfic..... > >And must say i disagree with him on it. It is good to have diffrent=20 >ideas of how mobius might progress, each a parrallel universe to=20 >another. This allows everyone to have a vision of what they think=20 >happens, and allows us, to read each story for its own worth, and to=20 >consider it on its own merits. =20 I'm glad people dissagree with me so easily. It seems like a bombardment for a simple letter stating something, but I'll get to that. >I mean the BAM storyline, i realy like=20 >it, but some of what happens contradicts other storys... So what, its=20 >still a good story, i like to feel that it is set in a parrallel to the=20 >other story, thus the problem of contridictions is solved. I never said it wasn't. The one problem with E-mail (besides it being used to corrupt the people), is that you can't understand my tone when I make a comment. I personally LIKE BAM quite a lot! Especially the deluxe version-such dedication over something that COULD HAVE BEEN trivial is what made it great. Hats off to the author of BAM, (whom which I personally spoke with,) for he is truly a fine storywriter! As point of fact, (to quote Levine), it is unwise to assume how I feel about a thing (ie the story) when I only commented about the Sonic writing process as a whole. Please try to refrain from such in the future! :) >Also about the robotisizer, also a good idea in my point of view...BUT=20 >remeber Robotniks Forces have main robotisizers, these i have been lead=20 >to belive can do many at once, where as the FF only have a one at a time=20 >BLUE robotisizer, this means that they now have a weapon to use agenst=20 >robotnik, but robotnik still has an edge so to speak. For every one the=20 >FF derobotisise, Robuttnik can do many, possible hundreds. This is very correct. In such, (hypothetically speaking,) we are fighting a futile war. The only thing that keeps it going is our ambition (as freedom fighters,) which perhaps will not last. I say this for two reasons, (bringing up new points,) first off, Robotnik may inevidably win. SECONDLY, and most importantly, what will be of the next generation? I see singles, (at most doubles), of different species. Are they going to interbreed? As point in fact, how would a half-squirrel half-hedgehog look for a kid? (Sally and Sonic in contrast, of course..) it, would most likely, not work. = =20 ....and more generally, (do not flame me for this-this is on-topic in my oppinion,) What is it to become "obsessed" with what once a video game? I'm not blaming anyone-I am myself. And I'm not inviting flames, such as, "well, if you don't like it, leave!"...I'm asking, rather simply....my friends suspect me as being "messed-up" for such obsession, (which I probably am...) but I have been into Sonic when Sonic the Hedgehog was released on the old system....I'm what you'd call a "classic fan"... we all are... (I would think..) what what makes us this? What obsession? I don't want it to lead somewhere bad, and as much as I hate conformity, do any of you think this obsession with a make-beleive world is normal? Please answer in a truthful and non-sarcastic tone. If you have to flame me, don't. It will waste "precious bandwith" (I love that line) and will make me sad. -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 11 22:22:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA19919 for sonic-ll; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:11:22 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA19914 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:11:18 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA26350 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:10:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:10:45 -0500 Message-ID: <960111220802_88240708@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: See you in a little while :'( Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey people! (guys didn't seem to work) My time on AOL has expired, and I don't want to pay extra. But, the good news is, I found a BBS that gave me free E-Mail acces. Now I just have to wait untill MAJODOMO answers. See you when I see you (whenever that will be ). Now to Sonic business: I see that some people didn't read all the stories. That's OK. I didn't either. But I do suggest that the first ones (or next ones, if you didn't read them) would be either "Bloodlines" or "Capture the Flag". Both tell quite a bit about history of Sonic/Sally, and both are written with a book-like(?) style. Have a nice post! :') / :'( SONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONIC Y S S "If it ain't S L Dmitry O Writer/Sculptor/Hacker A blue, don't get A L Murashchik N Collector L it" - ME L A MDmitry@aol.com I And all that other stuff L (A rule I try L S C Y to follow) Y CINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOS "You FOOORCED me to use theees!" David (and some others) - Ren (P.S. Is this logo ok?) (P.P.S. Don't anwer that unless you really have to, or untill you see me posting messages again.) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 12 09:29:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA27279 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:11:12 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA27258 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:11:09 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03380; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:11:05 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id JAA24696; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:11:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199601121411.JAA24696@edmund> Subject: Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:11:06 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601120219.VAA18560@en.com> from "Doug LoConti" at Jan 11, 96 09:19:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > This is very correct. In such, (hypothetically speaking,) we are fighting a > futile war. The only thing that keeps it going is our ambition (as freedom > fighters,) which perhaps will not last. I say this for two reasons, > (bringing up new points,) first off, Robotnik may inevidably win. SECONDLY, > and most importantly, what will be of the next generation? I see singles, > (at most doubles), of different species. Are they going to interbreed? As > point in fact, how would a half-squirrel half-hedgehog look for a kid? > (Sally and Sonic in contrast, of course..) it, would most likely, not work. = > =20 > In the spirit of fools rushing in where angels fear to tred: Ever since the conclusion of "Sally's Crusade" (In Your Face #1), the convention seems to be that in an interspecies marriage, the species would remain intact, possibly linked to gender [c.f. the image of a pint-sized Sonic and Sally tearing around the castle]. I'll admit that I thought the "flashforward" of the story sort of bogus on first read, but it seems to have settled into the canon. > > ....and more generally, (do not flame me for this-this is on-topic in my > oppinion,) > > What is it to become "obsessed" with what once a video game? I'm not > blaming anyone-I am myself. And I'm not inviting flames, such as, "well, if > you don't like it, leave!"...I'm asking, rather simply....my friends suspect > me as being "messed-up" for such obsession, (which I probably am...) but I > [snip] > Will Rogers once observed: "Everybody's ignorant, only in different subjects." IMHO, it's the same with obsession. Those of us on this list have an obsession for the blue blur (or one of the costars of the show), but it's not like we invented the condition. There are some model railroad enthusiasts, or Star Trek devotees, or Notre Dame football fans who make us look absolutely sane by comparison. Any onus we might experience is probably more due to the fact that our interest is in a cartoon character rather than something "normal." But, hey, if it works for you, then maybe the question of "normal" is secondary. At least, that's what my analyst says ;-) . ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 12 14:36:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA19082 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:11:56 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA19077 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:11:52 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06291; Fri, 12 Jan 96 14:17:31 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 36476W Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:10:50 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: My Opinion of "Other Sonics" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:06:41 GMT Message-Id: <96011214105057896@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: Theodore Patri Perrotti -> To: jaguar.ac.edu!rhaynie -> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:43:33 -0500 (EST) -> Subject: My Opinion of "Other Sonics" -> -> I just read "Other Sonics: The Barbarian", and thought it was the -> most original Sonic fanfic I've read in a long time! Keep up the -> good work! -> I'd include some constructive criticism of the story, but I can't -> think of anything to improve! -> -> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -> ------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog -> -> Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) -> perrottit.mbr@asme.org -> -> Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester -> Polytechnic Institute -> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -> ------- Ow. My head hurts. You're making it grow REAL fast, Theodore... rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 12 16:34:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA00723 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:09:53 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA00716 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:09:50 -0500 Received: from l2-5.en.net (l2-5.en.net [204.89.181.195]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA28592 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:12:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:12:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601122112.QAA28592@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Will Rogers once observed: "Everybody's ignorant, only in different >subjects." IMHO, it's the same with obsession. Those of us on this >list have an obsession for the blue blur (or one of the costars of the >show), but it's not like we invented the condition. There are some >model railroad enthusiasts, or Star Trek devotees, or Notre Dame >football fans who make us look absolutely sane by comparison. Any onus >we might experience is probably more due to the fact that our interest >is in a cartoon character rather than something "normal." But, hey, if >it works for you, then maybe the question of "normal" is secondary. At >least, that's what my analyst says ;-) . Yeah, good point. OK, I feel better now! ;) -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 12 17:26:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA02026 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:43:06 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA02018 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:43:01 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA25752 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:42:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:42:26 -0500 Message-ID: <960112164224_114610543@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey! I'M a Star Trek junkie, too!! ...then again...I'm not sane... ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 12 19:57:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA15426 for sonic-ll; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:51:05 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA15419 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:51:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:51:02 -0500 Received: from ip187.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa20099; 12 Jan 96 19:50 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Message-ID: <9601121950.aa20099@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >What obsession? I don't think it's an obsession at all. I view it as something which is of interest to all of us. I know lots of guys who no longer enjoy cartoons of any kind (they also say they never did...yeah, right.) I say they're missing out. C'mon, how can you not enjoy some of the classic shorts showing Goofy flying through plate glass windows, or the Wile E. Coyote, who is the stupidest genius in the world, being blown to smithereens every 10 seconds? >I don't want it to lead >somewhere bad, and as much as I hate conformity, do any of you think this >obsession with a make-beleive world is normal? I think that saying something is "normal" or "abnormal" is making a statement which is much too general, and it doesn't allow for any kind of gray area in between. To use my above comparison, some people would say it's "abnormal" for me to watch cartoons, or to write stories involving cartoon characters, or make doodles of cartoon characters. So what? Let's take a look at who's actually creating them! They're adults, and they're not considered "abnormal" by any people that I know. (I guess that if what you do makes you money, it's okay. We just can't enjoy things without promise of monetary gain.) You said it yourself Mighty, and it just doesn't get any more obvious than this.-> If everybody were a conformist, the world would be a very, very dull place. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 00:13:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA01994 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:00:16 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA01987 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:00:13 -0500 Received: from p8-ts5.en.net (p8-ts5.en.net [206.148.86.8]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA15510 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:02:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:02:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601130502.AAA15510@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I think that saying something is "normal" or "abnormal" is making a >statement which is much too general, and it doesn't allow for any kind of >gray area in between. To use my above comparison, some people would say= it's >"abnormal" for me to watch cartoons, or to write stories involving cartoon >characters, or make doodles of cartoon characters. So what? Let's take a >look at who's actually creating them! They're adults, and they're not >considered "abnormal" by any people that I know. (I guess that if what you >do makes you money, it's okay. We just can't enjoy things without promise= of >monetary gain.) You said it yourself Mighty, and it just doesn't get any >more obvious than this.-> If everybody were a conformist, the world would= be >a very, very dull place. I know....it's odd, however, how one sometimes needs another to get by on a point. I myself have never beleived in confority or the "system" or anything else.... call me a Romantic if you will, but it's just not my style to conform. However, when you're alone on something in this crazy world, it makes it harder to accept as being "normal", (even though there's really no basis for comparison...) however, even if you're wrong, or "different", so to speak, as long as there's someone "different" with you... hey, missery loves company. Most of the time I can stand for what I beleive in, but sometimes, every so often, I have to take a step back and say "whoa"....and I'm glad I did. Watching Sonic the Hedgehog or any other cartoon is just what you like...which you should be allowed to do. The one GOOD point America has, (probably the ONLY, no offense to any non-Americans,) is that "wretched" freedom of speach. :) But even if they handicapped you and took your speech, they cannot controll your thoughts-ever. (Or at least I HOPE TO GOD not....this world would be in terrible shape otherwise!) Well, blah blah blah... to finally connect this all to the "list", I'm just glad there's other Sonic "freaks" out there, that way I don't feel so bad about being one myself. :) BTW-An inside source gives me info to the voice of Sally on STH sat. morn.... if you were me, would you call and bother or leave alone and wonder...? I'm afraid to call, because... well, you know...people get sad when they get calls from people they don't know... ...oh well...I'm off to bed. Later all! -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 00:55:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA02727 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:37:01 -0500 Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com (pimaia2y.prodigy.com [192.207.105.55]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA02722 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:36:58 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com ([199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA20284 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:36:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:35:28 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08558387.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Nomad's RPG Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >>Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. >> ^^^ >> | > | > I LOVE this quote...don't know where you got it, but >it's awesome... I dunno, it just came with the Prodigy Mail Manager. Anywayz, to keep from being electronically eviscerated (YEOWCH! I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT TO ME!) by Rat, I'll post something Sonicy in this message. I sent The Hunt Begins to Book, and, as I saw this morning, it's not up on his page yet. Good, no rush; I want him to read it and say how much he likes it instead of not getting around to reading it and saying "Description forthcoming" like he did with my last two stories (which wouldn't be so bad if he'd done it with anyone ELSE'S stories, but since it's only mine, it's like saying "This story ain't worth reading unless you're one of those Sonic '96 members Thad sent to this page, cuz it's in YOUR universe, and it's partially your fault that this story ain't worth reading unless you're one of those Sonic '96 members Thad sent to this page, cuz it's in YOUR universe, and it's partially your fault that..." and so on and so forth). Ah well, it's okay; the other two I just kinda did for fun; this one I spent a LOT of time on (over a year in planning) and it's MUCH more representative for my ability as an author. >< Sorry, Rat; I WOULD'VE put that first part in an entirely different message, but the PMM, while it has good quotes, does NOT have a very good method of replying to anyone on the mailing list, and I don't have a pen and paper and am too lazy to get them. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 01:09:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA05510 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:02:08 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA05499 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:02:02 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA04286 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:02:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:02:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199601130702.AAA04286@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Nomad worried! To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I need to know something. Where is David Piston? and did anyone else recieve my RPG? Is anyone listening to me? Here's something about Sonic characters.....would anyone like thier stats? But, really, I think that if every character has 'super powers' of some sort, it would ruin the game and the comic, and the TV show, and...well, you get the idea. Is there anyone who agrees with me. (I thought about this when someone mentioned Sally with super speed) [I dead the thought!] So I guess I should end this letter, NOMAD From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 01:15:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA02736 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:37:41 -0500 Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [192.207.105.46]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA02731 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:37:39 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA08754 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:36:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:35:54 EST From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-334.50] Message-Id: <013.08558410.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: FLAME! DELETE AT WILL!!!!!!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, I have a feeling I'm about to be kicked off the list for this. If this is the case, so be it; if the ML keeps going in the direction it's headed it won't be worth having by this time next month anyway. 8'( Okay, here's what I'VE been wondering: WHAT ARE YOU ANTI-TWISTED METTLE PEOPLE ON?!?!?!?! YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING IF YOU THINK IT'S OFF-TOPIC! "...You can post...anything related to the Sonic/Mobius storyline..." DOES THAT RING A BELL?! Twisted Mettle is a game based ENTIRELY on the Sat-AM (Sun-AM now, eh?) cartoon, with Snively, Sally, Dulcy, the WORKS, and if you think THAT'S not related to the Sonic/Mobius storyline, you clearly haven't seen ANY of the cartoons, or read ANY of the comics or fanfic, and therefore HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO THE WRONG LIST! As for the "large amount of mail" you're whining about, there was an EQUAL amount when the perv directory (a MUCH less worthy asset) was removed, and no-one complained. Besides, if you think this is too much mail (oh boy, here comes the "I walked 20 miles in the snow, uphill both ways" line), try THIS: Write a message to EINEXILE@NETCOM.COM with the message "SUBSCRIBE EBLANA" as the subject, wait a week, and then download all the mail, which *I* did without complaining ONCE! Okay, I'm happier now that I've finally gotten all my 600+ Eblana messages out of my "incoming folder" and gotten that off my chest. If the consequence is that I'm going to be kicked off the list, like I said, so be it. I came here to share my stories, which I can't send to the list anymore, and to discuss fan works for Sonic the Hedgehog, and if Twisted Mettle isn't one, may God strike me down and kick me in the nads afterwards!!!!! >< If you don't see me on the list anymore, I urge you to follow my lead and unsubscribe yourselves. Then, we can start the Twisted Mettle list, and see how the mail there compares to the sound of crickets chirping over on this one. However, if I stay, maybe these maint people AREN'T complete fools, and there's hope. Depends... From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 02:13:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA05952 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:28:23 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA05940 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:28:20 -0500 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA04287 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:28:18 -0500 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA27233 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:28:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199601130628.BAA27233@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: FLAME! DELETE AT WILL!!!!!!! To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:28:16 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <013.08558410.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> from "THADDEUS BOYD" at Jan 13, 96 00:35:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3106 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Okay, here's what I'VE been wondering: WHAT ARE YOU ANTI-TWISTED METTLE > PEOPLE ON?!?!?!?! Uh, NyQuil. How about you? :) > YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING IF YOU THINK IT'S OFF-TOPIC! > "...You can post...anything related to the Sonic/Mobius storyline..." DOES > THAT RING A BELL?! Well, yes, to me it does. This mailing list was created to talk about the story-lines that detail the Sonic universes. It was my understanding that this includes the plot lines of the Saturday morning show, the comics, the fan-fic, the weekday afternoon show (if anybody dares :) ), even the PLOTs of the Genesis and Game Gear games... but not the game play itself. This, again to my understanding, does NOT include a bunch of messages that ask for support on the creation of a game, and a whole bunch of other messages detailing what will go into such a game. If you want to talk about the story/plot that surrounds this game, and provided the traffic for such doesn't get too out of hand (I've heard that some netters actually have to pay for their incoming email), then fine. But game play suggestions, coding, graphics... uh, no, don't think so. > Twisted Mettle is a game based ENTIRELY on the Sat-AM > (Sun-AM now, eh?) cartoon Just as all of this is based on the Genesis games. But again, we're not talking about them, either. > therefore HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO THE WRONG LIST! As for the "large amount of > mail" you're whining about, there was an EQUAL amount when the perv > directory (a MUCH less worthy asset) was removed, and no-one complained. Well, maybe somebody should have. :) > If you don't see me on the list anymore, I urge you to follow my lead and > unsubscribe yourselves. Nah. > Then, we can start the Twisted Mettle list, and > see how the mail there compares to the sound of crickets chirping over on > this one. However, if I stay, maybe these maint people AREN'T complete > fools, and there's hope. Depends... Here's hoping the game gets it's own list anyways. Those who want it definitely seem to be that gung-ho about it (yourself included), so a mailing list for that would be a good idea. Or maybe you can talk about such things on the alt.fan.sonic newsgroup. Such things would be more in-topic there (since, again to my understanding, the idea is to talk about ALL things Sonic over there), not to mention it might increase the traffic of an otherwise slim-pickings newsgroup. My $.02---Kris -- *******Robin Hood (Kris Kelley) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu***************** * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 02:39:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA09031 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:20:57 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA09020 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 02:20:50 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA04536 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:21:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 01:21:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199601130821.BAA04536@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re: The flame by some guy. To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net It's not that we don't like the info on the game, but discussions on the tech. aspect of it drive us crazy! If they talked about the characters (the ture purpose of this list) then mabye it would be alright. But no, they didn't often enough and some of us started to get ticked off as we recieved twelve somewhat messages about the game that really had no true purpose. I have told readers to send replies to me about my RPG and even though they sent some here (I think, never really paid attention) they kept it short. (unlike the PC game guys) So now that you have heard my side, I'll be quite. (I even had the curtisy to E-mail ratman and ask him if the message was related to my game) So, I guess I need to end now, Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 09:20:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA29472 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:10:06 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA29444 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:10:03 -0500 Received: from l3-15.en.net (l3-15.en.net [204.89.181.175]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA26974 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:12:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:12:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601131412.JAA26974@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Chonic?? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Has anyone ever seen the "chronic the hemphog" tee's? It's ridiculous! I want to find the people(s) that make it, and write them a nice long letter. (I can't see Sonic puffin'..) -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 09:51:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA00266 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:42:27 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA00260 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:42:12 -0500 Received: from anx_11.global.co.za (anx_11.global.co.za [196.3.164.61]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA11406 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:34:22 GMT Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:34:22 GMT Message-Id: <199601131634.QAA11406@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: RL10:Toiled Souls Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, thanks to a bit of time allocation, I have finished the second RL10 story... WHOOHOO! All that remains now is to check all 350K of it for mistakes/errors.. repack the sentences and post it to Ratman 'n Bookshire. (C)(TM)(R) will now be allocated more time, and hopefully this will mean I can finish it. Don't worry--still working on the game all.=20 Well, E_Bye *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = |=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 10:36:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA03198 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:32:45 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA03193 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:32:42 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA19048; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:32:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:32:41 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: FLAME! DELETE AT WILL!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <013.08558410.AHVT94B@prodigy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: > Well, I have a feeling I'm about to be kicked off the list for this. If > this is the case, so be it; if the ML keeps going in the direction it's > headed it won't be worth having by this time next month anyway. 8'( > > Okay, here's what I'VE been wondering: WHAT ARE YOU ANTI-TWISTED METTLE > PEOPLE ON?!?!?!?! YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING IF YOU THINK IT'S OFF-TOPIC! The game is not. The POSTS ARE OFF TOPIC. Have you actually read any of those posts? All they talk about are the technical specifics of the game and how awesome the programmers think they are. They never go into character development, storyline, or really anything to do with Sonic. If you don't agree, you have the option of leaving. I DO NOT appreciate you sending a flame to the mailing list. If you want to do it again, please just unsubscribe. Do not reply to the list with this please. > therefore HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO THE WRONG LIST! As for the "large amount of > mail" you're whining about, there was an EQUAL amount when the perv > directory (a MUCH less worthy asset) was removed, and no-one complained. A few people complained. But it got a lot of people worried that the site I have about Sonic stuff would be history. > Okay, I'm happier now that I've finally gotten all my 600+ Eblana messages > out of my "incoming folder" and gotten that off my chest. If the > consequence is that I'm going to be kicked off the list, like I said, so be > it. I came here to share my stories, which I can't send to the list > anymore, and to discuss fan works for Sonic the Hedgehog, and if Twisted > Mettle isn't one, may God strike me down and kick me in the nads afterwards!!!!! When people post about what sound system a game has and all the technical aspects like that, it's definatly off topic. If someone wanted to talk about the storyline of the game, that would be fine. > If you don't see me on the list anymore, I urge you to follow my lead and > unsubscribe yourselves. Then, we can start the Twisted Mettle list, and > see how the mail there compares to the sound of crickets chirping over on > this one. However, if I stay, maybe these maint people AREN'T complete > fools, and there's hope. Depends... Ok, i have removed you. This is _NOT_ cool. I have offered twice to start a twisted mettle list, which Mighty has said no to. But trying to get people to unsubscribe from this list is just crossing the line. I'll unsubscribe you right after this message goes out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 12:22:57 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA08930 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 12:06:57 -0500 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA08925 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 12:06:54 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA05670 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 12:06:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 12:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: <960113120622_115333831@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: FLAME! DELETE AT WILL!!!!!!! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net YOU, GO, MAN!!!!!! YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! ~*=="Rip 'n Roar, Settle da Score, Bite da Bullet, Sockit to It!"==*~ --Suni da Hedgehog~Sister to the Fastest Thing Alive!~ $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ |\ | ************* $ @ @ | \ | $ @ @ | \ | * $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | * $ @ @ | \ | $$$$$$$$$$ @ @ @ @ | \___| ************ ---who has had too much sugar From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 15:05:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA17409 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:50:00 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA17404 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:49:56 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:49:56 -0500 Received: from ip109.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa19021; 13 Jan 96 14:49 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matthew Penna Subject: Re: Nomad worried! Message-ID: <9601131449.aa19021@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I need to know something. Where is David Piston? If you need to talk to him, you might try mailing him directly, instead of through the list. I believe his E-mail address is rotor@primenet.com >did anyone else recieve my RPG? I received mine. I hope others fared as well! >But, really, I think that if every >character has 'super powers' of some sort, it would ruin the game and the comic, >and the TV show, and...well, you get the idea. Is there anyone who agrees with >me. On this note, I agree with you. I suppose that one of the reasons I enjoy the stories is because the general themes seem plausible. The idea of small groups of rebels fighting against a gargantuan source of power has been the focus of many authors over the years. (Look at the Star Wars trilogy.) Hey, it works. But to grant the characters some types of special abilities would really detract from the original intent of the characters' creators, making them seem removed from reality. Meaning, we really couldn't relate to their hopes and aspirations any longer. It might be funny if somebody wrote a parody where all the FF were super-powered idiots. It has been done before, turning heroes who are intelligent into idiots with all muscle and no mentality. But to make them this way permanently would do a great disservice, IMHO. Just my thoughts..... -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 16:06:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA21757 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:54:49 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA21752 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:54:46 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA01371; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:54:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:54:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to Bunnie1235@aol.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 09:43:43 -0500 From: Bunnie1235@aol.com To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question Hello y'all... Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's real species? Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's a cross between a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? I know I won't be able to get a reply to this...(yet)... so I'll leave you to think about it... To a FREE Mobius! Bunnie Rabbot From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 16:21:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA22221 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:11:28 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA22212 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:11:25 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA02446; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:11:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Nomad worried! In-Reply-To: <9601131449.aa19021@vivanet.vivanet.com> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Matthew Penna wrote: > >But, really, I think that if every > >character has 'super powers' of some sort, it would ruin the game and the > comic, > >and the TV show, and...well, you get the idea. Is there anyone who agrees with > >me. > > On this note, I agree with you. I suppose that one of the reasons I enjoy > the stories is because the general themes seem plausible. The idea of small > groups of rebels fighting against a gargantuan source of power has been the > focus of many authors over the years. (Look at the Star Wars trilogy.) Hey, > it works. But to grant the characters some types of special abilities would > really detract from the original intent of the characters' creators, making > them seem removed from reality. Meaning, we really couldn't relate to their > hopes and aspirations any longer. It might be funny if somebody wrote a Giving characters superpowers could work if they are balanced by superweaknesses. An ultra-power weapon could be balanced by its lack of accuracy in hitting the target. That can make for a friendly-fire subplot which, while saddening, would show how another character deals with loss. A character with super-strength could be balanced by undergoing an "equal-but-opposite reaction" making him/her/it weak and vulnerable after using their strength. And Antoine can balance out any Freedom Fighter team which (in the mind of the story author) is a bit too successful. But giving the Freedom Fighters infinite power would make the story less believable if not even create sympathy for Robo 'n' Sniv. Not much will kill my interest in a story faster than a lack of believability. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 16:50:28 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA22683 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:39:55 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA22676 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:39:52 -0500 Received: from l2-23.en.net (l2-23.en.net [204.89.181.213]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA18443 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:42:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 16:42:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601132142.QAA18443@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > >Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's real >species? Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's a cross= between >a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? > >I know I won't be able to get a reply to this...(yet)... so I'll leave you= to >think about it... Maybe a hybrid fox? -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 20:16:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA05316 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:05:03 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA05311 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:05:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:05:01 -0500 Received: from ip173.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa26438; 13 Jan 96 20:04 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) Message-ID: <9601132004.aa26438@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's real >species? Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's a cross between >a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? It's possible. After all, she doesn't have a bushy tail. Mobian genetics seems to be very interesting topic. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 20:58:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA06425 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:45:41 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA06299 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:45:13 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA22744 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:45:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com CC: fay0xx1@maroon.umn.edu, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, michael_russell@vnet.ibm.com, quozl@netcom.com, pawliger@adobe.com, bjw4u@watt.seas.virginia.edu, sfstbr@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us, jimwalt@usa.pipeline.com, nefaria@aol.com X-Vmsmail-To: SMTP%"sonic@lists.mv.net",@[.RDB]SONIC X-Vmsmail-Cc: SMTP%"fay0xx1@maroon.umn.edu",@[.RDB]TTAMERCH,BAUERLE Message-Id: <960113204504.3967@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Sally's Voice, was Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) >BTW-An inside source gives me info to the voice of Sally on STH sat. morn.... Kath Soucie??? >if you were me, would you call and bother or leave alone and >wonder...? I'm afraid to call, because... well, you know...people get sad >when they get calls from people they don't know... I wouldn't call, but I _would_ send her a letter expressing my admiration for all the cute/sexy furries she's done: Morgana Macabre, Fifi LaFume, and Sally Acorn. I find it somewhat odd that we haven't seen much written about her, but a fair amount about Tress MacNeille (not that Tress didn't deserve all of it but still...) I'm actually torn between whose voice I like better; Tress has a wider range (IMHO), but Kath does sexy voices better... RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 21:13:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA08486 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:02:31 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA08481 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:02:29 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA22337 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:01:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <960113210157_115731132@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sally's Voice, was Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net She also does Princess Whats-Her-Name on EWJ... Suni From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 21:57:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA11351 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:50:29 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA11346 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:50:22 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA14924 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:49:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:49:51 -0500 Message-ID: <960113214950_41000375@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Problems with fanfic Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-11 06:59:15 EST, you write: >1) Ever watch an old cartoon and the bad guys ALWAYS seem to escape? >There's a reason for that. It's so the cartoon continues next week. :) >Same applies here. If we figure out how do de-robotisize people, Robotnik's >lost. That's the end of the stories. Think of it: even if Robotnik is >still in power, all the freedom fighters have to do is un-robotisize the >others, and it doesn't matter HOW powerful Robotnik is, we'd still win by a >sheer onslaught of force. Well, anyone agree/disagree with this? Let's get >some posting on this to see what people have to say. BTW-I don't write >stories much, and this one I'm working on is VERY long, I just hope it's >good. :) (IF it is, it'll answer LOSTSA questions, and throw things back >in line, story wise..) > > I disagree. Remember what happened to Yugoslavia (sp?) after breaking away from the USSR? That what could happen to Mobius, although not in such a drastic manner. Even if Davey Crockett *does* manage to deroboticize everyone on Mobius, which he probably *could* not do, and single-handedly take out his dad and end Robotnik's reign of tyrrany once and for all, which he *might* do, but that is *very* uncertain, the story of Mobius does not *certainly* end there. There *is* a life after Robotnik, and the possibilities abounding there could be endless, or maybe even better than what's happening now . . . But then again, the story *would* end. The Evil has been kicked off the planet, permanently, Peace and Prosperity will be restored on Mobius, and everyone, save a few bitter souls scarred too harshly by the war, will live happily ever after, up to the point where Davey Crockett "dies of old age" and returns to his home planet by the same mysteries of the Void that brought him there . . . just eight hours after he left . . . which *did* happen. But ain't that one of the most important pieces of a good saga? A solid conclusion, or even a happy one? David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 13 23:00:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA12689 for sonic-ll; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:41:57 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA12684 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:41:54 -0500 Received: from hp-17.cae.wisc.edu (firmiss@hp-17.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.65]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id VAA02330 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:41:46 -0600 From: James Firmiss Received: (from firmiss@localhost) by hp-17.cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail/CAE1.0) id VAA12830 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:41:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601140341.VAA12830@hp-17.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Nomad worried! To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:41:44 CST In-Reply-To: <199601130702.AAA04286@hp9000.eita8net.com>; from "hoch@eita8net.com" at Jan 13, 96 12:02 (midnight) X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > I need to know something. Where is David Piston? and did anyone else > recieve my RPG? Yup.. I got it... I was half-way through writing a letter asking a few questions about it (e.g. how certain things work) when I realized what was going on after a few more reads. I've actually reformatted a good portion of the rules with MS Word so that they look a bit better and are easier to read. I was going to ask if you or anyone else were interested in that MS-Word file. > Here's something about Sonic characters.....would anyone like thier stats? That might make some good examples to include with the instruction.. to show what 'well-rounded' characters might look like > But, really, I think that if every character has 'super powers' of some > sort, it would ruin the game and the comic, and the TV show, and...well, > you get the idea. Is there anyone who agrees with me. Yup. You'd no-longer have Sonic. You'd have short-n-furry X-men clones. Also, in an RPG setting you'd probaly ond up creating 'Dumper Force!' (My generic term for where you have a bunch of bad 'powergaming' roleplayers involved in stupid plots). > (I thought about this when someone mentioned Sally with super speed) > [I dead the thought!] dead or dread? ... err.. anyway Sally DID get super speed in the last SAT-AM episode. The guy who wrote the Blood and Metal series [Arrg.. I forget his name offhand... Gonterman?] figured this effect was permanant (I'd probably have made it temporary if I wrote stories) [actually, I finally DO have a few Sonic story ideas...] From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 01:00:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA20124 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:47:59 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA20119 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:47:52 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id QAA03184 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:47:23 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA21920; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:12:29 +1100 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:12:29 +1100 Message-Id: <199601140512.QAA21920@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-reply-to: mpenna@vivanet.com's message of 14 Jan 1996 13:56:25 +1100 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) References: <9601132004.aa26438@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Matt Penna, > Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's > real species? ..ohhh, this is potential flame-war material. :) I've covered this before (see the list-archive for my message from July 5th), and IMO the only consistent answer to Princess Sally's species is Weasel. There's the thin body, the brown pelt, the shape of her head, etc, etc, et al., et al.. In Sonic #26, one of the Arctic Mobians is Erma [the Ermine], and sans the white front (as all European stoats have), she and Sally are identical in appearance. Draz should mention this in the FAQ. :) What evidence is there for the claim Sally is a [ground] squirrel or chipmunk, eh? The colour of the pelt and its markings aren't even there.. (Well, at least that extremely contrived idea that Sally is a Fox who fell for that foolish adolescent fad of having her tail bobbed appears to have been forgotten.. Self-mutilation, ick.) Matt, > Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's > a cross between a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? Doug, > Maybe a hybrid fox? There isn't any evidence in the Mobian universe for the existence of cross-breeds.. A theory proposed in the very early days of the mailing list is the character's species is determined by the appropriate parent, that is, Sally's Mum was a Weasel too. (Whatever happened to the Queen anyway?) -- Chris,, (Hey, it's only a coincidence that my RP character is a Weasel too.. ;) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 03:22:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA27914 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 03:00:27 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA27877 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 03:00:21 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA08016 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:01:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:01:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199601140901.CAA08016@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re:Bunnie To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's real >> species? Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's a cross between >> a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? >> >> I know I won't be able to get a reply to this...(yet)... so I'll leave you >> to >> think about it... > Maybe a hybrid fox? Oh no, not this again!....(Nomad slams head continuously into desk) [This issue has been beaten to death, so, I beg, drop the subject.........please? Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 03:33:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA28144 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 03:14:29 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA28139 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 03:14:26 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA08121 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:15:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:15:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199601140915.CAA08121@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re: Nomad worried! To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > If you need to talk to him, you might try mailing him directly, instead of > through the list. I believe his E-mail address is rotor@primenet.com Already tried this, but thanks. Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 03:41:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA28227 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 03:20:40 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA28222 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 03:20:34 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA08131 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:21:35 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 02:21:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199601140921.CAA08131@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: I keep forgetting stuff! To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> Here's something about Sonic characters.....would anyone like thier stats? > That might make some good examples to include with the instruction.. > to show what 'well-rounded' characters might look like Good idea, next thing for those who asked for the RPG...sample character! (I'll use....Fenrir, a character from my story [still in works]) One thing, if anyone wants specific person stats for characters, ask me. (use my address) And last, Snivley, would he be a better Robotnik??? Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 09:28:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA14371 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:17:46 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA14366 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:17:44 -0500 Received: from p21-ts1.en.net (p21-ts1.en.net [206.148.85.120]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA09632 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:21:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:21:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601141421.JAA09632@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Sally's Voice, was Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) > >>BTW-An inside source gives me info to the voice of Sally on STH sat.= morn.... > >Kath Soucie??? > >>if you were me, would you call and bother or leave alone and >>wonder...? I'm afraid to call, because... well, you know...people get sad >>when they get calls from people they don't know...=20 > >I wouldn't call, but I _would_ send her a letter expressing my admiration= =20 >for all the cute/sexy furries she's done: Morgana Macabre, Fifi LaFume, and= =20 >Sally Acorn. I find it somewhat odd that we haven't seen much written=20 >about her, but a fair amount about Tress MacNeille (not that Tress didn't= =20 >deserve all of it but still...) Yeah, it's true...she probably would get annoyed, wouldn't she? just a thought! :) > >I'm actually torn between whose voice I like better; Tress has a wider=20 >range (IMHO), but Kath does sexy voices better... > >RDB > -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 10:33:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA17514 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:15:42 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA17509 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:15:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:15:39 -0500 Received: from ip172.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa09449; 14 Jan 96 10:14 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) Message-ID: <9601141014.aa09449@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >..ohhh, this is potential flame-war material. :) > >I've covered this before (see the list-archive for my message from >July 5th), Sorry. I guess I'd better go through the archives. I've only been here a few months. :) -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 11:35:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA20694 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:11:05 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA20687 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:11:03 -0500 Received: from p11-ts1.en.net (p11-ts1.en.net [206.148.85.110]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA07070 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601141614.LAA07070@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re:Bunnie Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> Maybe a hybrid fox? > > Oh no, not this again!....(Nomad slams head continuously into desk) > [This issue has been beaten to death, so, I beg, drop the=20 >subject.........please? I wouldn't know if it has! I haven't been here that long! -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 11:46:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA20688 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:11:03 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA20681 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:11:01 -0500 Received: from p11-ts1.en.net (p11-ts1.en.net [206.148.85.110]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA07061 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:14:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:14:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601141614.LAA07061@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Matt Penna, >> Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's >> real species? > >..ohhh, this is potential flame-war material. :) > >I've covered this before (see the list-archive for my message from >July 5th), and IMO the only consistent answer to Princess Sally's >species is Weasel. There's the thin body, the brown pelt, the shape >of her head, etc, etc, et al., et al.. In Sonic #26, one of the >Arctic Mobians is Erma [the Ermine], and sans the white front (as >all European stoats have), she and Sally are identical in appearance. >Draz should mention this in the FAQ. :) > >What evidence is there for the claim Sally is a [ground] squirrel or >chipmunk, eh? The colour of the pelt and its markings aren't even >there.. (Well, at least that extremely contrived idea that Sally is >a Fox who fell for that foolish adolescent fad of having her tail >bobbed appears to have been forgotten.. Self-mutilation, ick.) > >Matt, > > Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's > > a cross between a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? >Doug, > > Maybe a hybrid fox? > >There isn't any evidence in the Mobian universe for the existence >of cross-breeds.. A theory proposed in the very early days of the >mailing list is the character's species is determined by the >appropriate parent, that is, Sally's Mum was a Weasel too. >(Whatever happened to the Queen anyway?) > >--=20 >Chris,, >(Hey, it's only a coincidence that my RP character is a Weasel too.. ;) > An answer to it all: GOT to be/have SOMETHING do to with a squirrel! Her last name is Acorn! :) Maybe a new species?? We're so limited to thinking she has to be from= Earth.... -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 12:46:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA24593 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:35:00 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA24587 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:34:55 -0500 Received: from p11-ts1.en.net (p11-ts1.en.net [206.148.85.110]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA13532 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:38:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:38:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601141738.MAA13532@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Sally-fox or squirel? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I just got stimied (inside joke, but..) shouldn't/wouldn't Paul know if Sally was a fox or a squirel or whatever? Just curious.... BTW-the page has been updated: http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.html (we've now got screen shots..) PS-my girlfriend, Vixie (bunnie1235@aol.com) is now on the list. She's creative, but it a newbie to the net, so go easy... :) -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 13:23:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA27194 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:04:44 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA27187 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:04:38 -0500 Received: from anx_13.global.co.za (anx_13.global.co.za [196.3.164.63]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24416 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:56:25 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:56:25 GMT Message-Id: <199602141956.TAA24416@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Death Egg? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a question that's keeping me up at nights. What does the Death Egg look like, I haven't seen too many of the "real" episodes, and the "ahum" episode isn't watchable anyway. (Would Mr Video Blaster please consider ULing some pics to Rat.org?) PLEAAAASE? My, what a short message. Cheers *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = |=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 13:30:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA27252 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:08:35 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA27247 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:08:33 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id NAA18397; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:08:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:08:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sally's Voice, was Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to quozl@netcom.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:28:46 -0800 (PST) From: D.M. Quozl Falk To: Ron Bauerle Cc: sonic@bort.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, fay0xx1@maroon.umn.edu, michael_russell@vnet.ibm.com, pawliger@adobe.com, bjw4u@watt.seas.virginia.edu, sfstbr@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us, jimwalt@usa.pipeline.com Subject: Re: Sally's Voice, was Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) This has to be the BIGFGEST Group email I've responded to... :) > To: sonic@bort.mv.net > From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) > > >BTW-An inside source gives me info to the voice of Sally on STH sat. morn.... > > Kath Soucie??? It's really no secret... (Credit readers, unite! :) ) > >if you were me, would you call and bother or leave alone and > >wonder...? I'm afraid to call, because... well, you know...people get sad > >when they get calls from people they don't know... > > I wouldn't call, but I _would_ send her a letter expressing my admiration > for all the cute/sexy furries she's done: Morgana Macabre, Fifi LaFume, and > Sally Acorn. I find it somewhat odd that we haven't seen much written > about her, but a fair amount about Tress MacNeille (not that Tress didn't > deserve all of it but still...) Agreed on both counts... > I'm actually torn between whose voice I like better; Tress has a wider > range (IMHO), but Kath does sexy voices better... I wish I have had for some time has been to meet both Tress and Kath at the same time, in a public place, and express to them my thanks for the wonderful voices that have given great fantasies to (grin!)... (Kath also did Li'l Sneezer and the "cute" bunny before Buster's cxreation in "The Looney Beginning"...) Make it a trio by adding Cristine Cavanaugh (Bunnie Rabbot) and I'll be more than satisfied... :) (And yes, I do know the difference between the real voicers and their characters... :) ) ....Quozl! (Depressed at CF7...) -- Presidential Candidate for the Third Millenium! Quozl for Prez in 2000! Dennis M. Falk, aka "Quozl Mephit" : 221 Huntoon St. Eureka, CA 95501-4115 USA Writer, Furry fan, Cartoon fan, Music lover : "A Novel Experience!" Skunks, skunks, skunks! : Tiny Toons forever! : Snapple me! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 14:45:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA01303 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:34:22 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA01298 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:34:20 -0500 Received: from by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id TAA11659; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 19:32:04 GMT Received: by (5.0/8.6.9) id AA02945 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:20:45 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:20:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9601141920.AA02945@> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sally-fox or squirel? From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 344 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Jan 14, 1996 12:38:27, 'mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti)' wrote: >I just got stimied (inside joke, but..) shouldn't/wouldn't Paul know if >Sally was a fox or a squirel or whatever? Just curious.... I was thinking the same thing... SOMEONE has to know what Sally is. Stupid question time: Who created Sally, or does anyone know? Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 16:39:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA06528 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:13:15 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA06523 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:13:12 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17171; Sun, 14 Jan 96 16:18:49 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 39300W Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:11:21 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Death Egg? Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:21:36 GMT Message-Id: <96011416112158792@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) -> To: bort.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:56:25 GMT -> Subject: Death Egg? -> -> This is a question that's keeping me up at nights. -> -> What does the Death Egg look like, I haven't seen too many of the -> "real" episodes, and the "ahum" episode isn't watchable anyway. -> (Would Mr Video Blaster please consider ULing some pics to Rat.org?) -> -> PLEAAAASE? -> -> My, what a short message. -> -> Cheers -> -----* \ Simon Howes -- -> Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / It doesn't look like anything. the Death Egg is a part of the Sonic Vidogames (notably Sonic 2 and 3), not the show. The Doomsday machine bears a slight resemblance to the Death Egg, but isn't the same thing really... rob (who has played every sonic genny game and most of the GG ones, and so he knows, guys.) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 20:25:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA10745 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:17:51 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA10740 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:17:47 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id MAA03978 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:17:42 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA09194; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:14:32 +1100 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:14:32 +1100 Message-Id: <199601142014.HAA09194@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-reply-to: mighty@en.com's message of 15 Jan 1996 05:08:19 +1100 From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) References: <199601141614.LAA07061@en.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Doug, > An answer to it all: GOT to be/have SOMETHING do to with a > squirrel! Her last name is Acorn! :) So is her Dad's, and he was a Fox! (And my surname before my parent's divorce was Rose! (No, I'm not related to any pink Hedgehogs.) Do Amy or I look like, uh, things which eats roses to you?) > Maybe a new species?? We're so limited to thinking she has to be > from Earth.... That was mentioned back in July too. Why do people have a problem with Weasel?? It's only in a few Disney and Warner Brothers cartoons have I ever seen them portrayed in anything like a lower caste.. (It's also nice to think of Sally and Bunnie friendship is irregardless of their species-- if one good thing came out of the War, its abolised ancient prejudices once and for all..) > I just got stimied (inside joke, but..) shouldn't/wouldn't Paul > know if Sally was a fox or a squirel or whatever? Just > curious.... My opinion of Archie is they're publishing the almost-mythical story of the War about a thousand years after the event, and a lot of details were confused when the story was passed down to each generation after the next.. (For an example, when they started they thought Sally was /pink/! It was only after that their rent-a-scholars realised the error..) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 21:59:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA14816 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:44:58 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA14811 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:44:55 -0500 Received: from p12-ts1.en.net (p12-ts1.en.net [206.148.85.111]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id VAA19978 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:48:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:48:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601150248.VAA19978@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Re: Answers & Game thingy... (READ!!) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >My opinion of Archie is they're publishing the almost-mythical >story of the War about a thousand years after the event, and a >lot of details were confused when the story was passed down to >each generation after the next.. (For an example, when they >started they thought Sally was /pink/! It was only after that >their rent-a-scholars realised the error..) I kinda liked her pink.... it doesn't really matter, though.... hey, does ANYBODY think that.... umm... they will re-air Sonic? I heard something about a third season...could this be? Just curious.... hey, by the way, that game list was put up, (thanks Rat)! :) Here's how to get on it, (we advise you join to get the laydown on the lowdown..) :) write to the= following: majordomo@lists.mv.net in the message body, put this: subscribe sonic That simple, see? :) Later all!=20 -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 23:43:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA20263 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:13:39 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA20258 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:13:36 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28901; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:13:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:13:35 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Answers & Game thingy... (READ!!) In-Reply-To: <199601150248.VAA19978@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: > I kinda liked her pink.... it doesn't really matter, though.... hey, does > ANYBODY think that.... umm... they will re-air Sonic? I heard something > about a third season...could this be? Just curious.... hey, by the way, > that game list was put up, (thanks Rat)! :) Here's how to get on it, (we > advise you join to get the laydown on the lowdown..) :) write to the following: > > majordomo@lists.mv.net > > in the message body, put this: > > subscribe sonic I messed up in telling you the subscription instructions. My fault. Instead it should be: subscribe mettle From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 14 23:52:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA20398 for sonic-ll; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:19:01 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com ([204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA20393 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:18:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:18:59 -0500 Received: from ip102.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa04953; 14 Jan 96 23:18 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Sally's appearance (Was Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question) Message-ID: <9601142318.aa04953@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net (For an example, when they >started they thought Sally was /pink/! It was only after that >their rent-a-scholars realised the error..) I remember them explaining this a while back. (Sally actually started out as kind of orange and yellow, then turned pink, then became the standard shades of brown we recognize now.) I think there was a note from the creators of the book on one of the early letters pages, explaining why Sally's appearance had changed. They said that there was very little information on how the Freedom Fighters would actually look as a finished product, so they were doing the best they could with the information that they had. (This was before the cartoon started, remember.) So, when the cartoon started they wanted to try to be consistent with it, and changed the appearance. If you remember, Rotor's name used to be Boomer in the early issues of the book, as well. I don't think we should judge them too harshly, as it sounds like they were flying by the seats of their pants. -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 02:54:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA01858 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:45:26 -0500 Received: from unix.infoserve.net (unix.infoserve.net [199.175.157.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA01780 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:45:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (bradc@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id XAA23400; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:53:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:53:25 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Clark Subject: Re: Answers.... To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199601150248.VAA19978@en.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: Bleagh...I didn't like the pink, allthough she DID appear pink in one epsisode of the Sat AM show...It was in the first season, I can't remember which ep it was > > I kinda liked her pink.... it doesn't really matter, though.... hey, does > ANYBODY think that.... umm... they will re-air Sonic? I heard something > about a third season...could this be? Just curious.... hey, by the way, I WISH!!! and let it be on a major network so I can get it here in Canada too :) I think the exec's who cancelled Sonic made a very stupid mistake...We can only hope they learned something from it and it doesn't happen again...however I've heard rumours that the persons behind ABC SAT AM line up for this season aren't there anymore, so I guess all we can do is keep out fingers crossed...maybe those of us who wrote in to DIC didn't waste a stamp after all. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x RL: Brad D. Clark Furtoonia: Orwin Raccoon/GrumpyBear x x bradc@unix.infoserve.net x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 03:10:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA04190 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 03:03:46 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA04185 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 03:03:44 -0500 Received: from hp-12.cae.wisc.edu (firmiss@hp-12.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.43]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id CAA05419 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:03:40 -0600 From: James Firmiss Received: (from firmiss@localhost) by hp-12.cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail/CAE1.0) id CAA10482 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:03:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199601150803.CAA10482@hp-12.cae.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Sally's appearance To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 2:03:36 CST In-Reply-To: <9601142318.aa04953@vivanet.vivanet.com>; from "Matt Penna" at Jan 14, 96 11:18 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Oh no... not this again :-) Anyway... There are multiple refs (from Archie and possibly Sega) stating that she's a squirrel (ground squirrel to be exact). I've decided to accpet this. But how do you explain the lack of tail? Well... Some species of ground squirrels have short tails. OR It could be a 'royalty' thing to have the tail clipped at a young age. Much the same way certain species of dogs get their tails clipped often (e.g. sheepdogs ... dobermans (sp?) ) That would explain her father not having a tail either (and possibly why Antoine doesn't have a tail... we're not entirely sure what his origins are... he could be associated with the royal family somehow... an association which would require his tail be 'clipped'. Isn't he "Captain of the Guard" or at least trying to be or something? I had considered a third possiblity (she could've lost it earlier due to a close scrape with Robotnik's forces) however when I saw that she had a short tail as a young girl in that 'Blast from the Past' episode I dismissed this possibility.... That's too bad... this might've been an interesting story to write. But what about her father being a fox? In real life... mixing two species is generally a bozo-nono and will either result in nothing, or if you're lucky... a sterile cross-breed (e.g. Horse + Donkey = Mule... I THINK this is how it works) In cartoons, you're often given a little leeway here. I wrote up something about 'cartoon genetics' a while back trying to explain all of this. It was long and complicated but generally said when an inter-species couple has children there are generally three possibilities .. depending on the cartoon series: (1) The children inherit the species of the parent with the same sex. (e.g. A male fox and a female squirrel would bear fox boys and squirrel girls.) (2) The children are a 'blend' of the two species. (3) The children are one species or the other. In the 'Sonic' universe, the first seems to be the rule although we can't rule out the third possibility. I don't think she's a 'blend' because she looks quite different than any of the other foxes on the show or in the comics. The conclusion of all this is that Sally's mother is a squirrel. There was a fanfic story which had Sally's mother in it (as a squirrel) so someone out there belives this (or something like this) :-) Anyway... I hope this helps :-) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 09:07:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA21466 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:52:13 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA21461 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:52:10 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15244; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:52:08 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA01491; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:52:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199601151352.IAA01491@edmund> Subject: Re: Sally's Voice, was Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fwd) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:52:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Erich Schulman" at Jan 14, 96 01:08:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net To round things out (while getting off-topic): Kath Soucie also does double-voicing as the twins Phil and Lil on Nickelodeon's "Rugrats" [where, BTW, Christine Cavanaugh is the voice of Chuckie]. Kath has also done some voice work for Disney: she's done two Aladdin eps that I know of: she was the title role in "The Entity" and she voiced a poor girl on the classic Aladdin ep "Do The Rat Thing" where she spoke that timeless line: "It's the Magic Holiday Rat! She brought us a present from the Rodent King!" You had to be there... ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 09:23:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA21378 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:50:32 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA21298 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:50:26 -0500 Received: from anx_39.global.co.za (anx_39.global.co.za [196.3.164.89]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA26124 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:28:50 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:28:50 GMT Message-Id: <199601151628.QAA26124@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Sonic Intro Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Heya all,=20 I was just watching the introduction to the Sonic cartoon. (I runs every time I start windoze as I have it in AVI and have put it in my startup.. though it was taken from the S.A. version and has no voice.. just the music.. of course it is better rather than a Zulu singer doing the intro. "Mshe u bitsa gona, uSonic e Phemekela!")=20 Anyways, I was wondering. In the intro we see Sonic speeding through the forest, outrunning Robotniks ships to tell Uncle Chuck and some unknown furry to look up at the big ugly coming over the palace. Now here's what I was wondering, since Robotnik took over when Sonic was about five, how come we see a teenage Sonic running through the forest. And, what's more.. when we see inside the ship where Robotnik is stroking his robo-parrot .. how come his arm is robotocized? (His left arm was robotocized when he fell into an open robotocizer, when Sonic went to rescue his avational fox pal.. and that was *after* the invasion.) Is the intro a set of clips from multiple shows or something? Cheers =20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = |=20 *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 09:27:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA22339 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:11:34 -0500 Received: from en.com (en.com [204.89.181.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA22332 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:11:31 -0500 Received: from l3-16.en.net (l3-16.en.net [204.89.181.176]) by en.com (8.7.2/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA09277 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:15:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:15:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199601151415.JAA09277@en.com> X-Sender: mighty@en.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Subject: Game thingy...final (READ!!) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> majordomo@lists.mv.net >>=20 >> in the message body, put this: >>=20 >> subscribe sonic > >I messed up in telling you the subscription instructions. My fault. >Instead it should be: > >subscribe mettle > OK, as a final to this, (never after this should there be a post on this list about the game,) :)=20 to SUBSCRIBE, write: majordomo@lists.mv.net with the message subscribe mettle to POST to this list, write: mettle@bort.mv.net BTW- this goes to show that if you're NOT a jerk you can get favors from Ratman..I'm in debt to him FOR this, but for those of you that DON'T know, raising a fit on THIS list is NO way to GET your way... well, I'd just like to publicly thank RAT for setting up this list, (couldn't have done it w/out him,).... well, that's about it. =20 BTW-are threre any TEXT adventures for STH out there? I mean TEXT games? If not, those are easy to make. We can take all the stories (or most of them) out of the archieves, and write like a choose your own adventure type deal..that's easy to do and I could do it in BASIC or C++... maybe start from the beginning from when Uncle Chuck FIRST looses his chili stand to present.. :) Which REMINDS me....I bought the Sonic Statigy guide that has like a small comic in the beginning, (BEFORE the days of Archie), and has a pretty interesting story line...I think I'll scan it and put it on Rat's page... it differs from everything we've seen... does anyone know what I'm talking about? Well, anyways, there you have it... for me, it's off to a doctor's appointment! :) -"We will stand where others fall..." (Manowar) =20 ------------------------------------------- | =B7:Mighty Fox:=B7 |"Fight the GOOD | | =C5.k.=C5 | fight!" | | Douglas LoConti | -Freedom | | "mighty@en.com" | Fighters | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- Visit the "Twisted Mettle" game site at=20 http://www.en.com/users/mighty/secret.htnl From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 09:38:29 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA22464 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:13:59 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA22439 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:13:55 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15566; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:13:51 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id JAA02696; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:13:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199601151413.JAA02696@edmund> Subject: Re: Bunnie Rabbot says hi...w/ a question (fwd) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:13:51 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601140512.QAA21920@brushtail.hna.com.au> from "list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au" at Jan 14, 96 04:12:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Matt Penna, > > Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's > > real species? > > ..ohhh, this is potential flame-war material. :) > > I've covered this before (see the list-archive for my message from > July 5th), and IMO the only consistent answer to Princess Sally's > species is Weasel. There's the thin body, the brown pelt, the shape > of her head, etc, etc, et al., et al.. In Sonic #26, one of the > Arctic Mobians is Erma [the Ermine], and sans the white front (as > all European stoats have), she and Sally are identical in appearance. > Draz should mention this in the FAQ. :) > The reason I don't mention the weasel theory in the FAQ file question is that it is absurd! For a number of reasons: 1) The comics, for better or worse, are consistent in labeling Sally as a "squirrel," more likely a ground squirrel. One of the reasons the debate has flared up from time to time is that readers are unwilling to take the description at face value and indulge in wishful thinking. There's no point in holding to the canonicity of certain sources if you're not going to take them at face value on subjects that cut across your own preferences. 2) I would be the LAST person to cite artwork by Manak (especially of subsidiary characters and guest stars) as keys to character identification. In my summary of the story in Sonic #26 I cite all the features where Manak went wrong, just as he ended up drawing Barby Koala in the Tails miniseries looking more like a sexy lab rat than a true koala! 3) Finally, consider Sonic himself! Hedgehogs are not royal blue, nor do they only have one ridge of quills running down the back. I know this is being too picky, but everybody seems content to accept the identification of Sonic as a hedgehog at face value. > What evidence is there for the claim Sally is a [ground] squirrel or > chipmunk, eh? The colour of the pelt and its markings aren't even > there.. (Well, at least that extremely contrived idea that Sally is > a Fox who fell for that foolish adolescent fad of having her tail > bobbed appears to have been forgotten.. Self-mutilation, ick.) > > Matt, > > Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's > > a cross between a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? > Doug, > > Maybe a hybrid fox? > > There isn't any evidence in the Mobian universe for the existence > of cross-breeds.. Apparently you've never seen either "Sally's Crusade" from the In Your Face special #1, or "The Return" in Sonic #22. Each of those stories posits a future wherein Sonic & Sally have tied the knot and have offspring of their own: in each story, the children are the same gender and species as a parent [i.e., a little boy hedgehog and a little girl squirrel]. So like it or not, there's your "evidence." > A theory proposed in the very early days of the > mailing list is the character's species is determined by the > appropriate parent, that is, Sally's Mum was a Weasel too. > (Whatever happened to the Queen anyway?) > Her fate has never been determined canonically, nor her origins. I expressed my own theory in my fanfic story, "Bloodlines." Note: it isn't pretty.... ================================================================ || ___ ------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 09:53:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA25485 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:47:34 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA25480 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:47:31 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA13672; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:47:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:47:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sally's appearance (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to cjb@brushtail.hna.com.au. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:56:37 +1100 From: Chris Baird To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sally's appearance James, > Oh no... not this again :-) > The conclusion of all this is that Sally's mother is a > squirrel. ~~~~~~~~ You've misspelled "weasel". Hope this helps. :) -- Chris,, From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 14:38:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA14356 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:18:29 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA14351 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:18:26 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id UAA00975; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:18:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:18:18 +0100 (MET) From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" X-Sender: optimus@uno To: Simon Howes cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic Intro In-Reply-To: <199601151628.QAA26124@lin01.global.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Simon Howes wrote: > Heya all,=20 >=20 > I was just watching the introduction to the Sonic cartoon. (I runs every > time I start windoze as I have it in AVI and have put it in my startup.. > though it was taken from the S.A. version and has no voice.. just the > music.. of course it is better rather than a Zulu singer doing the intro. > "Mshe u bitsa gona, uSonic e Phemekela!")=20 Yeah, or "Bl=E5tt streck, springer, Sonic Igelkotten"... > Is the intro a set of clips from multiple shows or something? It's just meant to look cool, as with all cartoons. =3D-+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D->X<-=3D-+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D= -+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D-+X+-=3D-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| = // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \= X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES= !!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 15:45:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA17908 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:57:33 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA17903 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:57:31 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA15993; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:57:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: new AVI file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ok, got a Sonic AVI file finally. It's the intro that was previously talked about. It's pretty neat actually. If I could get my hands on an AVI editor, I could splice the theme song from /pub/sonic/sounds/sonic-theme-stereo.zip to make a version with lyrics and good quality sound. http://rat.org/pub/sonic/movies/sonintro.zip or FTP to the same place. Windows 95: use Media Player. It comes with Windows 95. Windows 3.1: get vfw in /pub/msdos Macintosh: get vfw for Mac in /pub/mac/utils If you have any questions, write me directly and not to the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 15:47:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA19337 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:37:27 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA19332 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:37:25 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA08492; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:37:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:37:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic Intro (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:01:35 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: Sonic Intro > > Anyways, I was wondering. In the intro we see Sonic speeding through the > forest, outrunning Robotniks ships to tell Uncle Chuck and some unknown > furry to look up at the big ugly coming over the palace. > > Now here's what I was wondering, since Robotnik took over when Sonic was > about five, how come we see a teenage Sonic running through the forest. And, I've always thought of the intro as something not to be taken literally, but rather as a presentation of the show's main plot (Robotnik takes over Mobius and wrecks the place, the freedom fighters fight back). And, of course, the audience would probably be more used to seeing the teenage Sonic than the 5-year-old Sonic. > what's more.. when we see inside the ship where Robotnik is stroking his > robo-parrot .. how come his arm is robotocized? (His left arm was > robotocized when he fell into an open robotocizer, when Sonic went to rescue > his avational fox pal.. and that was *after* the invasion.) > Actually, according to "Blast to the Past- Part 2", Robotnik's arm was roboticized when he fell into the roboticizer beam when the teenage Sonic and Sally arrived to rescue Robotnik's prisoners (including their 5-year-old selfs) from the roboticizer. I don't think Tails was there. > Is the intro a set of clips from multiple shows or something? > > Cheers > =20 > *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* > | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | > | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | > |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = > | > |o O o O o o O O O O O | | > |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = > |=20 > *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* > \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 16:36:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA22589 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:11:22 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA22583 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:11:19 -0500 From: SoniadaH@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA25644 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:10:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: <960115161047_117309133@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic Intro (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, on that.... >> what's more.. when we see inside the ship where Robotnik is stroking his >> robo-parrot .. how come his arm is robotocized? (His left arm was >> robotocized when he fell into an open robotocizer, when Sonic went to rescue >> his avational fox pal.. and that was *after* the invasion.) >> >Actually, according to "Blast to the Past- Part 2", Robotnik's arm was >roboticized when he fell into the roboticizer beam when the teenage Sonic >and Sally arrived to rescue Robotnik's prisoners (including their >5-year-old selfs) from the roboticizer. I don't think Tails was there. Some, like the 'Sally-species' issue, everyone would beg to differ on this. I mean, look at Blood and Metal. How did Robotnik get here in the first place? Was he _ever_ normal?(To human standards) I mean, he was War Minister...his arm was probably lost in battle! (That's what *I* think...) The 'Big-Round Guy' was probably a fluke of the beta-robotizier. Snively? 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From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 17:16:40 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA26831 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:07:10 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA26826 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:07:07 -0500 Received: from by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id WAA18987; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:04:44 GMT Received: by (5.0/8.6.9) id AA24329 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:08:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:08:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9601152208.AA24329@> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: new AVI file From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 809 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Jan 15, 1996 14:57:30, 'Ratman ' wrote: >Ok, got a Sonic AVI file finally. > >It's the intro that was previously talked about. It's pretty neat actually. > >If I could get my hands on an AVI editor, I could splice the theme song from >/pub/sonic/sounds/sonic-theme-stereo.zip to make a version with lyrics and >good quality sound. I can make AVI files, up to 44000khz or whatever it is in 16-bit stereo, but I need an avi editor that lets me compress the stuff. I can record it uncompressed, but gawd. TOO HUGE to leave uncompressed. :P If anoyne knows of some good AVI editors, lemme know. I could make alotta AVI files. (Tried to make one of a scene from the Dulcy episode for a friend in Germany, but uncompressed it was 40 megs! and it was only 30 seconds long) Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 20:26:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA09434 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:05:05 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA09429 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:05:03 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA01067; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:05:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic Intro (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: Sonic Intro (fwd) > > Well, on that.... > > >> what's more.. when we see inside the ship where Robotnik is stroking his > >> robo-parrot .. how come his arm is robotocized? (His left arm was > >> robotocized when he fell into an open robotocizer, when Sonic went to > rescue > >> his avational fox pal.. and that was *after* the invasion.) > >> > > >Actually, according to "Blast to the Past- Part 2", Robotnik's arm was > >roboticized when he fell into the roboticizer beam when the teenage Sonic > >and Sally arrived to rescue Robotnik's prisoners (including their > >5-year-old selfs) from the roboticizer. I don't think Tails was there. > > Some, like the 'Sally-species' issue, everyone would beg to differ on this. > I mean, look at Blood and Metal. How did Robotnik get here in the first > place? Was he _ever_ normal?(To human standards) I mean, he was War > Minister...his arm was probably lost in battle! (That's what *I* think...) > The 'Big-Round Guy' was probably a fluke of the beta-robotizier. Snively? I > dunno, I have a theory on him...but that's another post. I just assumed that, since the original post asked about the intro to the Saturday AM show, that the poster was referring to the Sat. AM continuity. And, in that continuity, "Blast to the Past" clearly showed Robotnik's arm being roboticized as I described above. (When Sonic and Sally tried to rescue their 5-year-old selfs.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 15 23:02:19 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA20540 for sonic-ll; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:55:18 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA20520 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:55:12 -0500 Received: from anx_3.global.co.za (anx_3.global.co.za [196.3.164.53]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA32666 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:33:44 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 06:33:44 GMT Message-Id: <199601160633.GAA32666@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Re: new AVI file Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Ok, got a Sonic AVI file finally. > >It's the intro that was previously talked about. It's pretty neat actually. > >If I could get my hands on an AVI editor, I could splice the theme song= from >/pub/sonic/sounds/sonic-theme-stereo.zip to make a version with lyrics and >good quality sound. I have already tried this, however due to slight differences in the frequencies of timer cystals, the music goes out of phase with the sound effects. IE we hear the beeping of the timer count down at the wrong time. Cheers *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Often the destiny of an entire planet is determined by the mere feelings= =20 between two people." - Emperor M. of the Cinz. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 16 12:57:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA07611 for sonic-ll; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:32:27 -0500 Received: from ddi2.digital.net (ddi2.digital.net [198.69.104.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA07606 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:32:25 -0500 Received: from outdoor.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by ddi2.digital.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id MAA06745 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:32:05 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sally's Voice, was Re: Fanfic, and other things..... (fw From: john.mankowski@outdoor.com (JOHN MANKOWSKI) Message-ID: <8B8F2AD.00010081CF.uuout@outdoor.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:25:00 -0500 Organization: ODS / Outdoor Sportsman On-Line Services Co. - Cocoa, FL References: <199601151352.IAA01491@edmund> X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.22 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.20 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I don't know if anyone remembers but a while ago I posted an entire filmography for the verryous voice actors in sonic. I guess I should post it to the FTP site. -> Kath Soucie also does double-voicing as the twins Phil and Lil on -> Nickelodeon's "Rugrats" [where, BTW, Christine Cavanaugh is the voice -> of Chuckie]. Kath has also done some voice work for Disney: she's -> done two Aladdin eps that I know of: she was the title role in "The -> Entity" and she voiced a poor girl on the classic Aladdin ep "Do The -> Rat Thing" where she spoke that timeless line: "It's the Magic -> Holiday Rat! She brought us a present from the Rodent King!" also for disney she did one or two voices for "Goof Troop". also Rob Paulsen , Jim Cummings , and William Windom all did a voice for Goof Troop too. Ahhh! Now I'm geting off topic! ---- John Mankowski -- Merritt Island, Fl E-Mail: john.mankowski@outdoor.com ---- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 16 21:53:23 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA15640 for sonic-ll; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:17:10 -0500 Received: from mail.eskimo.com (root@mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA15635 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:17:07 -0500 Received: from eskimo.com (lazuli@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA21492 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:17:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:17:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Fred M. Sloniker" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Death Egg? In-Reply-To: <199602141956.TAA24416@lin01.global.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Simon Howes wrote: > This is a question that's keeping me up at nights. > > What does the Death Egg look like, I haven't seen too many of the "real" > episodes, and the "ahum" episode isn't watchable anyway. It's not in the 'real' episodes, only the games. It looks like the Death Star with Robotnik's ugly mug plastered across the side (sculpted, not painted) and no funky laser dent. Hope this helps. (;3 ---Fred M. Sloniker, cleric at large L. Lazuli R'kamos, FurryMUCKer lazuli@eskimo.com "I'm going to hurt my brother badly." --Dot Warner, "Animaniacs" From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 16 22:15:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA18456 for sonic-ll; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:54:16 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA18451 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:54:14 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA08830 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:53:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: <960116214723_62892367@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Death Egg? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-14 13:25:28 EST, you write: >What does the Death Egg look like Death Egg? That's from the games....Sonic 2-S&K... David Gonterman From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 17 19:41:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA09018 for sonic-ll; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:50:12 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA09013 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:50:09 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02734; Wed, 17 Jan 96 18:55:49 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 33477W Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:48:14 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Clipping the show... Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 22:10:29 GMT Message-Id: <96011718481460298@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of their sunday morning broadcast of StH? rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 17 21:17:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA15983 for sonic-ll; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:48:21 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com ([204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA15847 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:48:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:48:09 -0500 Received: from ip162.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa18191; 17 Jan 96 20:47 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Clipping the show... Message-ID: <9601172047.aa18191@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of their >sunday morning broadcast of StH? I can't speak for StH specifically, but I have noticed networks doing this to shows which are being re-run. (One notable example being FOX with the daily episodes of The Simpsons.) It's usually done just to get in more commercial time. -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 17 21:53:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA17204 for sonic-ll; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:18:11 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA17199 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:18:09 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA07144; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:18:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:18:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: File updates Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The January 9 version of faq-dd has been posted. http://rat.org/pub/sonic/text/faq-dd.txt I will see about updating the Merchandise List next week. If you have anything to submit, please send it to sonic@rat.org by Sunday. http://rat.org/sonic/merchandise.html Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 17 21:59:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA17090 for sonic-ll; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:14:26 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA17084 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:14:24 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA06845; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:14:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:14:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Clipping the show... In-Reply-To: <96011718481460298@jaguar.ac.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Robert Haynie wrote: > Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of their > sunday morning broadcast of StH? I'm not thoroughly familiar enough with any episode to know for sure, but I thought I noticed something missing (I've now forgotten what) in last Sunday's show. I'd say it's likely seeing how the show pretty consistently runs from 8:59 (Eastern) - 9:26 AM and we lose a minute of time in between for that monster thingy USA does in the second spot set. I'll try to remeber to check next time they run a show I've already got on tape from ABC or pre-recorded. Any other observations? Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 18 04:07:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA09937 for sonic-ll; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 03:49:08 -0500 Received: from dns.mcn.net (root@dns.mcn.net [204.212.170.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA09932 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 03:49:05 -0500 Received: from [204.212.170.193] (blpm01-193.MCN.NET [204.212.170.193]) by dns.mcn.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA19269 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:49:24 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Eudora 1.5.4b9 (Light) for Mac Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:48:58 -0700 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: bjirish@mcn.net (Brian Irish) Subject: Re: Clipping the show... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 9:14 PM 01/17/1996, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 wrote: >On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Robert Haynie wrote: > >> Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of their >> sunday morning broadcast of StH? > >I'm not thoroughly familiar enough with any episode to know for sure, but >I thought I noticed something missing (I've now forgotten what) in last >Sunday's show. I'd say it's likely seeing how the show pretty >consistently runs from 8:59 (Eastern) - 9:26 AM and we lose a minute of >time in between for that monster thingy USA does in the second spot set. >I'll try to remeber to check next time they run a show I've already got >on tape from ABC or pre-recorded. > >Any other observations? If you're refering to last Sunday's "Game Guy," I thought I noticed one of a few edits also, around the point where Sonic and Ari first arrive at the Fortress. When the bot popped out, it appeared that some of Sonic's battle footage was removed. I base this on the abrupt shift in background sound/music and scenery. I'll have to pay closer attention to the details now... Bri From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 18 13:58:43 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA16712 for sonic-ll; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:17:20 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA16704 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:17:17 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08656; Thu, 18 Jan 96 13:22:51 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 38113W Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:16:15 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Clipping the show... Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:46:16 GMT Message-Id: <96011813161560674@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: Ratman -> To: Robert Haynie -> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 20:44:32 -0500 (EST) -> Subject: Re: Clipping the show... -> -> can you tell me what time they show it? I caught it once, and set my -> VCR to tape it, and all I got was some stupid sports show. -> And tell me what time zone you're in so I can figure out when it -> would be on here. -> -> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -> ---- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : -> ftp://rat.org/pub -> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -> ---- Barring pre-emptions, 9:00 AM EST. rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 18 14:17:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA16705 for sonic-ll; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:17:18 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA16697 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:17:15 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08660; Thu, 18 Jan 96 13:22:52 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 38114W Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:16:16 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Other Sonics #1: The Barbarian Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:49:59 GMT Message-Id: <96011813161660675@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: sanasi@deco.franken.de (Alessandro Sanasi) -> To: jaguar.ac.edu!rhaynie -> Date: 18 Jan 1996 01:51:00 +0100 -> Subject: Re: Other Sonics #1: The Barbarian -> -> Hi there. -> -> I just read your Sonic story 'Other Sonics #1 - The Barbarian' and -> think it's way past cool! Could you send me the whole story when it -> is finished? -> -> Many thanks in advance. -> -> Bye -> -> -> Alessandro -> --- -> You get what anyone gets. You get a lifetime. Thanks for you nice words, Al. I'll be posting it here on the list when I finish part two (that is, posting part two). 'Fraid my mailserver has limited time, so I can't afford to send out individual copies, tho... Sorry. `` rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 18 17:56:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA03274 for sonic-ll; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:04:11 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA03268 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:04:08 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29732; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:04:05 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id RAA27469; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:04:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199601182204.RAA27469@edmund> Subject: Sonic Product Question To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:04:02 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net OK, here's a real question: Has anyone ever released a Sonic the Hedgehog Screen Saver? And if not, why not? ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 18 21:59:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA19020 for sonic-ll; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:14:26 -0500 Received: from vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (uv334@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca [199.60.222.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA19015 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:14:20 -0500 Received: (from uv334@localhost) by vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA03663; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:14:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:14:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Bintz Subject: Re: Clipping the show... To: sonic@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <96011718481460298@jaguar.ac.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Robert Haynie wrote: > Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of their > sunday morning broadcast of StH? I've noticed. John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * WWW: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/10794/home.html Now Surfing the 'Net on his Amiga!! "Marge, Marge, Marge... When kids today say 'bad', they mean 'good'... And to 'shake your booty' means to wiggle one's butt... Permit me to demonstrate..." -Homer Simpson From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 19 11:22:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA09114 for sonic-ll; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:06:29 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA09109 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:06:19 -0500 Received: from anx_1.global.co.za (anx_1.global.co.za [196.3.164.51]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA09944 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:58:00 GMT Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 17:58:00 GMT Message-Id: <199601191758.RAA09944@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Re: Sonic Product Question Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >OK, here's a real question: > >Has anyone ever released a Sonic the Hedgehog Screen Saver? > >And if not, why not? Hmm.. I just took a look at TPW that I recently bought, seems that you can make screen savers with it. Problem is that I'm not really a Windoze coder yet.. I'm a DOS man really. But when I do get into Windows coding, I'll see about slapping one together. :) Right now there are more important things to be done. :) Cheers *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Often the destiny of an entire planet is determined by the mere feelings= =20 between two people." - Emperor M. of the Cinz. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 19 22:29:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22741 for sonic-ll; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:29:22 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22736 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:29:19 -0500 Received: from nb1-33.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tdT3H-000D1BC; Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:29 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:29 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_822112196==_" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: New story. X-Attachments: C:\TEMP\WORKBOT.TXT; Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net --=====================_822112196==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes I am the guy who has been uploading a ton of screen caps to rat.org /pub/sonic/images/tv Just thought I let you know. Anyways I have made up some storys they you guys/gals might injoy maby even Joseph. Note I try to keep the story blanced between Sonic and others. You may like of not I don't care I have spent a lot of time typing this story out so please only good comments. Here we go. --=====================_822112196==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WORKBOT.TXT" MECHTAIL A Sonic The Hedgehog Story By butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) This story is protected by copyright laws. Feel free to distribute this story, but the author does not allow any unauthorized alteration of the story or distribution for profit. All characters depicted herein are the creation and property of Service and Games (SEGA) and/or Archie Publications and/or DiC. Commander Packbell and Bookshire Draftwood by David Pistone MechTail by Paul Lapensee (La-pon-say) Now that I got that out of the way. Time to start the story. Note this is my first story, hope you enjoy it. The story seems to drift from what you see to what Mechtail see's and back. Sorry about that, every one has there own way of story telling, I'll get better at it as time goes on. The time line is after Doomsday. ____________________________________________________________________________ Chapter 1 A factory somewhere in Robotropolis is busy with life if you could call it a life. Worker Bots, mindless robot slave's which were once people are busy working at different tasks. Through trapped in these body's every one is aware of what there are doing but are helpless to stop it. Swatbots role off the ensemble line ready to be activated. A Worker Bot is busy assembling Swatbot heads, a metal male squirrel in his late teens. /*Boy I hate my job\* The Work Bot thinks to him self. /*If only I could stop, but NOO.. I can help it, my stupid program won't let me.\* /*Just think a month ago I was appointed leader or was asked to be one because Alice got killed during a mission. At the time I thought it was a good idea like being the leader of the Eastern Freedom Fighters. /*Through we were a very small group I think we held up pretty well. I never went on many mission's to robo town because I didn't know my way around.\* /*The other freedoms fighters found it odd that I never went along on thought's missions but I told them I didn't want to risk the mission if I got lost. ALL what's the use every thing went wrong. If I every get out of this I'll go home and stay there."\* "Worker Bot #549268217 report to the roboticizer room" Came over the loud speaker. /*Ohh not a again./* The Worker bot stopped what he was doing and walked out the door. /*I really, really hate this.\* In the roboticizer room Swatbots are holding a young female fox. Packbell is smiling at her. "You'll never get a away with this." She saids. "Yes, yes I heard it all before. Besides what can you do to stop me?" I walk into the room to see a fox looking at me very frightend. "Ahh so there you are." Packbell said. "AWAITING COMMAND SIR?" I said. /*Yes you stupid electric toaster.\* "Take your position." I walked up to the controls. "I'll give you one last chance to tell me where the rest your friends are hiding." "NEVER I'LL DIE FIRST." I could see that PAC-MAN was getting angry. "Fine then, but what a have in mind is worse then death. Put here in the roboticizer" The Swatbots put the young fox on the platform. Packbell looked at me. "Well get on with it, activate." My body walked infront of the control panel. /*NOOO DON'T DO IT STOP AHH.. can't control my self./* My paw pushed some buttons and the roboticizer started its cycle, the glass tube came down over the fox and yellow bolts of what looked like lighting hit her. Less then 10 seconds later she was turned into a Worker Bot. The glass tube lifted up and the new bot walked out. "AWAITING COMMAND SIR?" /*Poor girl.\* Little did I realize that a tear ran down my face. /*A tear?\* Packbell looked at me will a smile "Take her to factory #254 and assign her work." "YES SIR." /*You'll pay for this PAC-MAN some day you will.\* I walked beside her as I led her to the factory not able to speak or stop. /*I wish I could say something to her, to help her, something to easy her pain but I can't.\* /*I do believe that Packbell knows that Worker Bots still think for them self's but can't do anything else, that's why he calls me to the roboticizer either that or because I called him PAC-MAN before he roboticized me. I think he is trying to torture me, and I'm sure he likes doing it./* One day while I was busy do the job I all ways hate. Something was going on outside. "Sonic what are you doing?" Asked Sally. "Sorry Sal I'm board." "Well stop it we only have to wait another minute." Sonic stopped tapping his foot. "Do you have the charges ready Sonic?" "Yep!" "Well give me half of them." "Here you go Sal." As he handed the bombs to Sally. "There it is, Sonic, Power Station #12" Sally said. "I see it, are you ready Sal?" "Yes I got my new boots on, remember. Here put Nicole in your back pack I have no room in mine. " And removing Nicole from the harness on her leg and gave it to Sonic. There can be heard a small explosion a distance away. "Ok it worked the Swatbots are leaving there post." Sonic and Sally gave each other a kiss. Then the two of them ran down towards the station and split into two different directions. They entered the station, Sonic zipped into the front Sally in the back. Snively saw them enter the building from the control room. Packbell was with him. "There going to blow up my Power Station, DO SOMETHING!" Snively said to Packbell. Packbell looked at Snively "No Swatbot would get there in time, even if they did, it is unlikely they will be able to catch them. But I can seal them in the building, if the Station blows they will go with it." There was smile on Packbell face as he hit a switch. Sonic just lad down the last charge which was set to blow in 15 seconds. Sonic whistled to Sally then the timers started. Sonic look around, and to his horror, saw that the doors were closing. "SAL THE DOORS! RUN!!!!" Sonic ran as fast as he could towards the door, he saw that Sally was right behind him. Sonic ran outside, Sally could see the door closing, there was enough time to make it through. As she was running for the door her foot hit something and she tripped. Sonic was going so fast that he was 25 feet from the door before he came to a stop to see Sally behind him, but she wasn't behind him. "SAL!!!!" Running back, the door shut. "NOO SAL!" Sonic did a triple spin trying to cut through the door. BOOOOOOM!!!! Sonic was blown away from the blast a good 200 feet. Sonic looked as the building collapsed. "SALLY!!" Then Sonic passed out. Dulcy found Sonic laying on the ground and pick him up and flew back into the Great Forest. Later Sonic woke up in Knot Hole. "Sonic where's Aunt Sally?" asked Tails. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this the end of Sally and what about the Worker Bot how does he fit into this store well you'll just have to wait till the next chapter. BYE. --=====================_822112196==_-- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 19 22:45:19 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22806 for sonic-ll; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:31:11 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22801 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:31:06 -0500 Received: from nb1-33.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tdT56-000D1BC; Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:31 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:31 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_822112309==_" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: New story part 2. X-Attachments: C:\TEMP\WORKBOT1.TXT; Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net --=====================_822112309==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes I am the guy who has been uploading a ton of screen caps to rat.org /pub/sonic/images/tv Just thought I let you know. Anyways I have made up some storys they you guys/gals might injoy maby even Joseph. Note I try to keep the story blanced between Sonic and others. You may like of not I don't care I have spent a lot of time typing this story out so please only good comments. Here we go again. --=====================_822112309==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WORKBOT1.TXT" MECHTAIL A Sonic The Hedgehog Story By butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) This story is protected by copyright laws. Feel free to distribute this story, but the author does not allow any unauthorized alteration of the story or distribution for profit. All characters depicted herein are the creation and property of Service and Games (SEGA) and/or Archie Publications and/or DiC. Commander Packbell and Bookshire Draftwood by David Pistone MechTail by Paul Lapensee (La-pon-say) Now that I got that out of the way. Time to start the story. Note this is my first story, hope you enjoy it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 2 Sonic woke up in Knot Hole. "Sonic are you all right?" Bunny asked. "Yes I think ouch.." Sonic looked up to see Tails. "Sonic where's Aunt Sally?" asked the two tailed fox. Sonic look at Tails worried eyes. "I.... Tails hmm I'm... sorry she didn't make it." Tails eyes open wide. "You, You mean she got caught right?" Sonic could see Tails was ready to cry. Sonic sat up to see Rotor, Rosie, Antoine, and Dulcy also in the same room. "I sorry Tails I wish that were so... she, she died in the explosion." "All noo Sally Girl" Bunny said. Tails ran up to Bunny and grabbed her right arm and started crying. "I tried so hard to get her out, but the door was too hard to cut through. AND THEN THE BOMBS!." Sonic said trying to fight back the tears. "Don't be so hard on your self son, it's not your fault." Rosie said looking at Sonic. "IT IS! I SHOULDN'T OF LET HER COME, SHE JUST WASN'T READY TO RUN LIKE ME." Sonic could not hold back his tears any more. Rosie went up and held Sonic. The other freedom fighters went out of the room. And started telling the news to everyone. Back at Robotroplis around the same time Worker Bots and some Swatbots were cleaning up the debre of what was left of the station. Snively was also there "Have the Worker Bots work none stop until the station is rebuilt and report any bodes found to me." Talking to a Swatbot. Snively walked into his hover craft and flew away. Worker Bot #549268217 was busy lifting a peace of paneling when he noticed a female squirrel or fox? lying under it, on the ground. /*Ohh no not another one.\* I could see she was not that old, she was in her teens. My body was about to lift her up when what appeared to be a gold ring fell out of her ripped back pack. My program decided to pick it up also because it might be important. As my paw clamped around the ring I felt incredible energy going through my body, it shorting out my systems left and right. I fell over on to the body. Then I pull my self up to find that, I got up by my self, /*What how did get control?\* I was free. I looked again at the body and saw a finger move. Something automatic turned on and I could see right through her */Hmm like a CAT scan.\*, her heart was beating but slowly. She was alive, through barely. I picked her up and the ring. And I put the ring into a compartment in me. /*Now how do get out of here?\* Looking around. /*Hmm yes I thing this will do it.\* "ALERT, ALERT. FREEDOM FIGHTERS SPOTTED IN SECTOR 64C!." The Bots stopped what the where doing and started running towards a building. /*Yes now to get out of here.\*. 'Thump, Thump, Thump.' "SONIC... SONIC are you there?" Rotor said knocking at Sonic's hut. "GO AWAY!" "Sonic its been hours aren't you going eat?" "No just leave me alone." Rotor surged his shoulders and turned around. Walking up to Tails and Bunny. "It's no use he's not coming out." "Poor Sugar Hog he's really taking it hard." Bunny said. "Aunt Bunny we'll Sonic every come out?" Tails said looking at Sonic's hut. "Yes I think he just needs some time alone." Sonic was looking through his window behind the curtain and he saw Bunny, Tails and Rotor walking away. He turned around and started talking to him self, his eyes where red. "Why, Why Sal why not me?" Slamming his fist against a wall. "She is what has keep Knot- hole together, what can I do besides run. I mean I am the leader but.. Sally makes most of the decisions, what good am I?" Sonic sat on his bed and thought some more. "What good will it do going after Pakerbell or Snively? Sally's gone." Sonic sat for a good 10 minutes when he heard a beep. Sonic looked around then heard another beep. It was coming from his back pack. He opened the back pack saw Nicole. Sonic grabbed Nicole and sat on his bed again. "This is all I have left of Sally to remember her." Sonic said. Sonic thought some more then flipped open Nicole. "Nicole why where you beeping?" Sonic said to the small computer. "Sally has programmed me to remind her to log in once a day for her Diary." "Oh Nicole, Sally died today." "I'm sorry to hear that Sonic it must be quite a loss to you, to lose some one you love. Through I am unable to morn her loss, I will miss her input." Sonic looked surprised. "You mean you can't cry?" "Correct I was not programmed to cry. But I will still miss her." Nicole said with no change in it's tone. "Sonic I have some files which have been created by Sally and the King which are to be run in the event of Sally's death. 2 Files are marked For you only, 1 For Bunny, 1 For Tails, 1 For Rotor, 1 For Rosie and 1 for Antoine. There is also 2 files for the Freedom Fighters and 1 file which is Sally's Will." "Nicole what are these files?" Sonic said looking at Nicole. "The files are recorded messages, all have both audio and video. Do you wish to display your files now?" Sonic thought for a moment. "NO later." Sonic closed Nicole and put it a side. "Man I getting hungry!" Sonic said as he walked out the door. Somewhere in Robotropolis in a abandoned house, Sally is laying on a bed, her left leg is being held straight by two pieces of metal with some torn up sheets. "mhf ah..." Sally turned her head a bit then back. Sally started opening her eyes. What she saw was very blurry then the picture started to clear up, she could make out something red, no two red dots. Then every thing was clear. She saw a Worker Bot looking right at her. "AAAAhmmm..." The Bot put his metal paw around here mouth. "Shhh you want to alert every Swatbot in Robo town." Sally calmed down. "Who are you, and how.." "My name is not important but your safety is. And how I can control my self? Well I think it has something to do with a glowing ring you where caring." Sally thought for a moment. "Ok that makes sense. Hmm How did you find me, where did you find me?" "Boy you like asking alot of questions. Well I found you while I was cleaning up a mess, I think you made, and well you where under it. And it was at where Power Station 12 use to be. Hey nice job." The Worker Bot said with a smile. Sally smiled back. "My name is Sally, who or what should I call you?" The Worker Bot thought for a sec. "Call me MechTail." "OK MechTail, Thank You." Sally said looking at Worker Bot. *\He must have been handsome, before he was changed./* Sally thought. There was silence for a good 10 seconds. "So what's a pretty lady like you doing in a place like this?" MechTail said. "Oh I thought I blow up a Power Station or two today." Sally said trying to keep her mind off the pain. "Yes I see, and you did this all by your self?" MechTail said. "No I had help." Sally said. "Oh so you belong to a group of Freedom Fighters." The metal squirrel said. "Yes I do." Sally coughed a couple times. "Well your quite hurt, you have a broken leg and some cracked ribs. Its a good thing you weren't awake when I reset you leg." MechTail said looking at her leg. "You must be hungry and thirsty by now?" MechTail said then stood up. "Just a little a guess." Sally said trying not to worry him because she was very thirsty. "OK stay here I be back, I'll hunt down some food." MechTail said and walked out of the room. Then Sally fell a sleep. Sonic didn't sleep very well that night, he keeped seeing Sally reaching for him and then a door slamming shut in front of her face. Every so often he'd hear Sally's voice calling saying. "Why didn't you save me Sonic?" Then Sonic would wake up sweating then try to get back to sleep again. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK that's the end of this chapter. So Sally is a live but the Freedom Fighters think she is dead, so what happens next you'll just have to wate till the next chapter. BYE --=====================_822112309==_-- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 19 23:02:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22924 for sonic-ll; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:36:12 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22919 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:36:09 -0500 Received: from nb1-33.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tdT9z-000D1BC; Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:36 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:36 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_822112611==_" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: New story part 5. X-Attachments: C:\TEMP\WORKBOT4.TXT; Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net --=====================_822112611==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes I am the guy who has been uploading a ton of screen caps to rat.org /pub/sonic/images/tv Just thought I let you know. Anyways I have made up some storys they you guys/gals might injoy maby even Joseph. Note I try to keep the story blanced between Sonic and others. You may like of not I don't care I have spent a lot of time typing this story out so please only good comments. Here we go again. --=====================_822112611==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WORKBOT4.TXT" MECHTAIL A Sonic The Hedgehog Story By butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) This story is protected by copyright laws. Feel free to distribute this story, but the author does not allow any unauthorized alteration of the story or distribution for profit. All characters depicted herein are the creation and property of Service and Games (SEGA) and/or Archie Publications and/or DiC. Commander Packbell and Bookshire Draftwood by David Pistone MechTail by Paul Lapensee (La-pon-say) Now that I got that out of the way. Time to start the story. Note this is my first story, hope you enjoy it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapture 5 Sonic was on a one way course to Robotropolis. */I'm comming Sally and no one will stop me from saving you!\ Sonic incressed speed. MechTail grabed Sally a draged her towards the roboticizer. "No stop MechTail you don't know what you are doing." Sally tried to pull away but she was too weak and the Worker Bot's grip was to tight. "MechTail you got to fight it! Don't let them win!" MechTail still keeped draging Sally towards the roboticizer. Sally had one idea left. She stop struggling, turned around to face MechTail and kissed him on the lips. MechTail stoped but only for a second and then pushed Sally to the ground. Sally's attempt to break the program's control over MechTail didn't work, but however it awoke his mind. */Whats going on?\* MechTail grabed Sally and straped her into a chair. */What am I doing? *\ "Good, now it's time to say good buy to your friend MechTail. I know you just love to do this to her. Just think you can be together forever serving us." Packbell said grining. "Enough of this drama roboticize her now." Snively said looking at MechTail. I walked up to the control panel. Sally started yelling. "FIGHT IT I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT, I BELIEVE IN YOU!. FIGHT 'ZAP' Ahaa..." Sally was hit by a stun ray. Packbell was holding the weapon. "ACTIVATE!" MechTail reached for the control panel. */NOOOO I WON'T LET YOU, NOT THIS TIME, NO MORE PAIN, NO MORE SLAVES, NO MORE, AAAAA!\* PAIN, his home, ANGER, Todd and Alice, RAGE, his friends and now Sally. MechTail's arm stoped, his body was shaking and the glow in his eyes was fading away. "ACTAVATE!" Packbell yelled. Suddenly MechTail stoped shaking and looked at Packbell. "I DON'T THINK SO PAC-MAN!" MechTail said as he punched a hole through the controls. Sparks came from the control panel. Packbell ran up to the control panel and pushed MechTail out of the way. Packbell tryed to shutdown the roboticizer power grid but with out luck. "It's over loading I can't stop it!" Snively looked at Packbell. "Next time do it your self!" "Ah shutup!" Packbell said as he looked around. The lights turned red. "We got to get out of here, it's going to explode!" Snively ran out the door. Sonic was bashing his way through Swatbot's when he saw an electrical explosion from a building. "SAL!" Sonic ran for the building. Packbell was holding Mechtail by the throat. "I should kill you right now!" I looked at Packbell. "You already have." Another explosion went off, the lights started flickering. Packbell through MechTail aganst a wall then looked at Sally, she was still out cold. Packbell walked out the door and closed it. I managed to stand up and look around. There was not much time left. I saw Sally out cold and straped into a chair on the roboticizer. "What have I done?" I unstraped her and pick her up and walked towards the door. Laying Sally down I looked at the door, a mode kicked in and I could see that the door was magnetily sealed. I looked around and found the wires feeding the power to the door. "ACTIVATE LASER." A laser beam emited from my index finger, and I cut the wires. "OFF" I grabed the edge of the door and pried it open. The door opened half way when the backup hydrolics kicked in. The door started closing I could not stop it. I grabed Sally and pushed her throught the door before it closed. */At lest she has a chance to live.\* Sonic zipped through the hall way. "SAL ARE YOU HERE?" Sonic turned a corner and saw Sally laying on the metal floor near a big door. Sonic picked up Sally. "Sally?" Sonic tryed to wake the sleeping Princess but all he got was a mone. Another explosion went off and part of the celling came down. Sonic saw what was happing and ran out of the building with Sally in his arms. MechTail looked around for a way out but the openings he found where too small. "Well I guess my stay on this planet will be short one. Oh Todd what have you gotting me into." The sound of the roboticizer cycling up can be heard but something is different about it. Mechtail walked up to the roboticizer but keep his distance. Suddenly there is an explosion of energy from the roboticizer, the energy seemed to know where MechTail was and covered him. "Whats going on.. AAAAAa!" The sound of his voice gets drowned out from the noise. MechTail is surrrouned in energy and he can no longer be seen. The drained power ring inside him starts glowing again, it gets brighter and brighter, so bright that the it can be seen through the energy surrounding him. Sonic got a good distance from the exploding building before he stoping to watch it. Sally moved. "Oh my head, what's going on? SONIC is that you?" "Who do you think Robotnik?" Sonic said looking at Sally. "Is MechTail here?" Sonic looked puzzled. "Mech who?" an explosion can be heard. Sally jumped out of Sonic's arm's and landed on her good leg, almost fell over but got a hold of Sonic. Sally looked as the building went up in a blase of flames and sparks. "Oh no MechTail!" Sally turned her head towards Sonic and stared crying. "Sonic he saved me... he saved me from being roboticized!" Sonic looked at the building. */He must have been behind that big door.\* Sally huged Sonic tight. "It will be OK Sally. He gave his life for you." Sonic looked at the crying Princess. "Let's go home Sal you need a doctor." Sally looked at Sonic. "Sonic why are you dressed in a tucks?" Sonic looked at Sally with a smile. "Well for you I guess." Sonic kissed Sally and picked her up and ran back to Knothole. Back at Knothole snoring can be heard, Antoine is still busy giving his speech. Sonic zipped up behind Antoine and set Sally on her feet. Sally roles her eyes as Antoine is still talking about her. Sally hoped up behind him and tapped him on the shoulder. "Pardon moi?" Antoine said as he truned around. "AAAAAA is ze ghost of me Princess, AAAAA!" Antoine ran away yelling into the bushes. The freedom fighters look in shock as Sally walked up to the petastel. "Well I see you have been busy. Am I late for my own furnel?" Sally explained what happend to every one there. "So you see I am alive a kicking, but there was a chance that I could have died." Sally said looking at every one. "In this war, there is always a chance that some one could get killed, but no mader what happens, we must continue the fight to for a free Mobus." Sally looked at the freedom she was draned out. She then said. "Since we have a grave set up already, I would like to dedicate it to the one who died for me. He called him self MechTail." Sally almost in tears again, hopped off and grabed on to Sonic for support as she went with him to see the Bookshire. The End Or is it? That evening. Back at Robotropois the bulidind where the roboticizer once, was is totaly distroyed. But amounst all this trash there is a ball of energy. The energy is very bright. The energy subsides and the out lines of a creature can be seen. Though it is still too bright to make out who it is. The creature stumbles out into the open of Robotropolis. Swatbots see the strange glowing creature as it started to walk. They tried to stop it. Energy bolts from the creature distroyed the Swatbots in the way. It again started walking but this time towards the great forest. Hoverbots arive to stop the creature but get blown out of the sky. As the creature walked into the great forest and the glow dispeared only a big bushy tail is seen as the figure dispeard. Yes now it's The End. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for reading my story I hope you injoyed It. I know I still need to fixed it up some more. My spelling and grammer needs work. Oh well stay tuned for the next short story. Yes from the guy who upload almost all the screen caps on rat.org /pub/sonic/images/tv --=====================_822112611==_-- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 19 23:07:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22836 for sonic-ll; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:32:43 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22829 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:32:39 -0500 Received: from nb1-33.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tdT6X-000D1BC; Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:32 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:32 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_822112398==_" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: New story part 3. X-Attachments: C:\TEMP\WORKBOT2.TXT; Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net --=====================_822112398==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes I am the guy who has been uploading a ton of screen caps to rat.org /pub/sonic/images/tv Just thought I let you know. Anyways I have made up some storys they you guys/gals might injoy maby even Joseph. Note I try to keep the story blanced between Sonic and others. You may like of not I don't care I have spent a lot of time typing this story out so please only good comments. Here we go again. --=====================_822112398==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WORKBOT2.TXT" MECHTAIL A Sonic The Hedgehog Story By butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) This story is protected by copyright laws. Feel free to distribute this story, but the author does not allow any unauthorized alteration of the story or distribution for profit. All characters depicted herein are the creation and property of Service and Games (SEGA) and/or Archie Publications and/or DiC. Commander Packbell and Bookshire Draftwood by David Pistone MechTail by Paul Lapensee (La-pon-say) Now that I got that out of the way. Time to start the story. Note this is my first story, hope you enjoy it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 3 It's was night in Robotropolis not that you could tell anyways. Two Swatbots are garding a door that leds to some holding sells. A Worker Bot walks up to the bot's. "HALT. PLEASE STATE NUMBER AND RANK?" One of the Swatbots said. "WORKER BOT #549268217 RANK TEC." The Swatbot's looked at each other then looked at the Worker Bot. "Please state password and reason for entery?" The Worker Bot look at one Bot then the other. "Can I get back to you on that?" The Swatbots looked at each other again. That was not an expected answer from a Worker Bot but since the Bot's where programmed to not atack a Worker Bot they just stode there stuped. The Bot's then turned around to an empty space, where the Worker Bot was standing. The Bot's looked both ways but no sign of the Worker Bot. Then from a near by alley a rumbling noise can be heard. The Swatbots again look at each other then look towards the noise. Then out of noware a trash bin is rolling very fast towards them "HAL..." 'CRASH' Both bots are hit by the bin and are pushed a good 10 feet away before hiting and being crushed by the steal wall and the bin. The Worker Bot walked up to the now empty door. "I guess my password was acceped." He said with a big smile. Walking down stares the Worker Bot heard some crying and moping. He stoped and looked around the couner and saw some people locked in cells wating to be Roboticized. He then saw a Swatbot walking to the other end of the room then out a door. /*Well a long as I have control I should do soming.\* I walked up to the sells. "Help us. Please." A cat said looking at me. "If you want to stay alive Shhh.." MechTail said then walked up to the hand print computer. "Open all sells." "Require hand print and keycode." The computer said. "Well I don't know the keycode but here's a hand print." MechTail made a fist and smashed the computer, spark's came from the computer and the sells opened, also an alarm went off. All the prisioners got up and ran out of the building. I just stood there as Swatbots ran in. I pointed to another door. "CAPTURE FREEDOM FIGHTERS." The Swatbots turned and ran out through the other door. /*Very good you stuped bots.\* I walked up to the food replacator. "Oh yes I can't forget this." MechTail pushed a button and grab the food and drink. That morring the Freedom Fighters woke up but not that fast since there was no hurry for what was about to take place today. Sonic was the last one to get up he looked terrible but feeling a little better then yesterday. Sonic looked in the mirror. "Man who would every think I would look this bad in the morring." Sonic grabed a jug of water and dumped it on him self. "AAhaaaa COLD, OH WAY PAST CHCCH oh A I must remind my self not to do that again. Sonic grabed the nearest towel he could fine and dried him self. Sonic looked at his desk and saw Nicole on it. "No. Breakfest first then Nicole. Sonic then looked in the mirror. "Not bad." Tails was wating for Sonic to come out of the hut. The door opened and Sonic walked out. "Sonic." Tails barked. "Oh hi Tails" Sonic said. "Are you OK now Sonic?" Tails said looking consered. "Ya I guess." Sonic said looking at the two tailed fox, both started walking towards the kitchen. "I thought you would never come out of there." Tails said. "Well I did yesterday for a short time." Sonic said as they where walking. "Well I understand, Sonic remember when you found me I didn't want to go anywhere untill I saw my Mom and Dad." Sonic look at Tails and thought for a moment. "Yes I do Tails, and I had to drag you out before more Swatbots came." Sonic was feeling better, but he felt like kicking him self for not thinking of everyone else. Sonic walked into the dining room to see his spot already had been set for him, and looking around he saw every one there. In Robotropolis Packbell is sitting in the big chair when Snivley walked in. "Whats the big idea waking me up this early in the morring?" Packbell was not amused. "Sir we have a problem." Packbell got out of the chair. "What kind of a problem?" Snivley sat in the chair. "Three actualy. One no bodys where found. Two a Worker Bot is missing. Three some Freedom Fighters managed to escape from the holding sells in building 6." Packbell said to the short human. "ANY GOOD NEWS?" Snivley trying to wake up. "Well yes I have found some fur and blood under the ruble, the DNA matches Princess Sally." Packbell said holding up a sample of fur. "So if there's blood she must be hurt." Snivley said with a bit of a smile. "Correct. Also I have found out who the missing Worker Bot is. Computer display profile on Worker Bot #549268217." On the big screen a there are two pictures that appear, one shows a squirrel in his teens whering a jacket and a belt with electronic componets atached to it. The other picture shows him again this time robotcized. "Information states that he was the leader of an easteren Freedom Fighter group, he went by the name Mechtail. Captured 32 days ago and roboticized. No more information on him." Snivley sat in the chair and then said. "And what about the break out?" "I was just about to view the video recording when you came in. Computer play video record from building 6, camera 3, time index 22:30. The computer display switches to a view of cells with Mobians in them, a Swatbot walks by, then a Worker Bot walks up to the sells saids something then turns around and walks to the hand print computer, smashes it and the cells open. "Computer stop. Zoom in on section 207X140 by 50%. I do beleive we have found the missing Worker Bot. Computer continue." The computer then shows Swatbots running in. The Worker Bot points towards another door and the Swatbots run through the door. Then the Worker Bot walks up to a food replicator and grabs some food and drink. "Computer end. Now why would a Worker Bot need food and drink?" Packbell thinks for a micro second. "He must be getting food and drink for Princess Sally, it makes sense now. The Worker Bot's last know location was at where Power Station 12 was." Snivley now fully awake is realising just what Packbell said. "But how can a Worker Bot just break his programing and save the Princess?" Packbell looking at Snivley. "Well it is possible that the Princess reprogrammed him, or his will is a lot stronger then we thought." Snivley stood up. "Packbell reprogram the Spy-orbers and Swatbots to find them, check every buliding and abanded house." Packbell then turned and walked up to the control panel and typed in the new orders. Princes Sally woke up in the same bed with the same two red eyes looking at her, but this time she was not surprised. "It's good to see that your still in the land of the living Sally." MechTail said and handed her a glass of water. Sally took the glass of water and drank it all. "Boy you must have been thirsty. Well here is the best I could do for food." MechTail handed her the prision food. "Thanks" Sally said and ate it all even through it tasted terrible. "So how are you feeling today?" Sally moved a little. "Better. Anyways I got to get a message to the other Freedom Fighters, they probily think I'm dead." Looking around. "Well it's not safe to walk around, but staying here is no better." MechTail stood up and walked a little, MechTail stop his face changed and he put his paw to his head. "Oh what a headache, it's hard to think." Sally look at MechTail and remembered when Sir. Chariles first got his free will back from a Power Ring. "I'm sorry to say this MechTail but you woun't be in control much longer. The effects of the Power Ring are only temperary." MechTail looked back at Sally. "No I want to be free no more pain. Please there has to be away?" Sally sat up and put her paw on MechTail's shoulder. "The only way is to be de-roboticized." MechTail looked back at Sally. "If only I could beleive that Sally, I have never meet anyone who has been de-roboticized." Sally could see the pain in his eyes. "You got to beleive me on this MechTail, my Freedom Fighter group has made a de-roboticizer once but it's effects didn't last. But one day it will work right and I will make sure that you will get de-roboticized." Mechtail looked at Sally and streched out his paw. Sally grabed it and MechTail helped her up. "Besides you saved my life it's the lest I could do." Sally said with a smile. "Well if I ever get out of this Sally, you owe me a dance." MechTail smiled. "Sure thing. Now if you don't mind lets get going." MechTail grabed onto Sally's arm and helped her up and out the door. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well I can keep on typing forever bit thats it for this chapter. Yes Sonic finly looks at his messages from Sally in the next chapter. BYE --=====================_822112398==_-- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 19 23:08:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22886 for sonic-ll; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:34:51 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22881 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:34:47 -0500 Received: from nb1-33.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tdT8e-000D1BC; Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:34 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 21:34 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_822112529==_" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: New story part 4. X-Attachments: C:\TEMP\WORKBOT3.TXT; Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net --=====================_822112529==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes I am the guy who has been uploading a ton of screen caps to rat.org /pub/sonic/images/tv Just thought I let you know. Anyways I have made up some storys they you guys/gals might injoy maby even Joseph. Note I try to keep the story blanced between Sonic and others. You may like of not I don't care I have spent a lot of time typing this story out so please only good comments. Here we go again. --=====================_822112529==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="WORKBOT3.TXT" MECHTAIL A Sonic The Hedgehog Story By butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) This story is protected by copyright laws. Feel free to distribute this story, but the author does not allow any unauthorized alteration of the story or distribution for profit. All characters depicted herein are the creation and property of Service and Games (SEGA) and/or Archie Publications and/or DiC. Commander Packbell and Bookshire Draftwood by David Pistone MechTail by Paul Lapensee (La-pon-say) Now that I got that out of the way. Time to start the story. Note this is my first story, hope you enjoy it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 4 Same day as the last chapter. The Freedom Fighters were busy preparing a funeral for Princess Sally. They had a coffen made but there was no body for it so a picture was put in its place. The coffen was covered in flowers. Freedom Fighters from around the world where ariving to pay there respects, through not all the freedom fighters around the world could make it because of situations beyond there control and even some could not be reached. Sonic was in his hut getting dress up through he hated wairing clothes but he acceped the fact he had to. Sonic looked around and again saw Nicole on his desk. He finlly desided to play his files. He grabed the small computer and flip it open. "Nicole I think i'm ready to see my files. Display." A holagram of Sally appeard before him. The holagram started talking. "Hello Sonic, this is Sally if you are viewing this file then soming must have gone wroung. Don't blame you self Sonic, we both know that each time we go on a mission there is always a chance that we might not make it back. If I died I'm sure it was while fighting for a fee Mobus. Or if I was roboticized, please don't lose hope Sonic, and don't go after me, I don't want you to see me that way. I just want you to know that I beleave in you, you are the leader of the Freedom Fighters not by luck, you earned it Sonic, please believe in your self. Well I can go on and on there is just too much to say. But I know that one day Mobus will be free again. Good Bye Sonic The Hedgehog. I love you." The holagram disapeard. "End of File." Nicole said. Sonic sihed. "Good Bye Sal." Nicole then spoke up. "There is another file Sonic do you wish to view it?" Sonic sat down on his bed. "OK. Display." A holagram of King Acorn apeard then spoke. "Sonic this file has been created for you while I was in the Void and has been uploaded to Nicole from the freedom fighter list which I gave to Sally. I just want to say how sorry I am that Sally has died Sonic, through I am unable to know my self that she had died I will find out in time with help Nogus. I have also been able to view things happening on Mobus with help from Nogus and have watched you and Sally fight for Mobus. Sonic since Princess Sally Alice Acorn has died there is no one to take her place on the throne. I may never leave this place Sonic and some one needs to take the throne. I have choicen a person to take her place. Some one who has been by her side all her life. I have no way of making this offical, but this file has in it all the prof that I could provide. Sonic by The Royle House of Acorn I apoint you Sonic The Hedgehog as King of Mobus, Rule with Honer. Rosie and other keepers of the Royle house will help you. Good Bye Sonic." Sonic was in a daze, he sat for good 5 minutes and then said. "I'm WHAT!." MechTail and Sally are walking through a dark alley. Sally is using a piece of wood as a cruch and limping along beside MechTail. MechTail signaled Sally to stop as they approched a corner. MechTail glances around the corner. One Swatbot is guarding the enterence. MechTail steps back. "There is one Swatbot guarding the comuncations building, any ideas?" Sally limped forward and looked around the corner, she then steped back. "Well if Sonic where here he would just get the Swatbot to chase him." MechTail put his paw on his head and droped to his knees. "I'm not sure how much longer I can keep control. We'd better hurry." MechTail stood up again. Sally looked at him. "What we need to do is to distract the Bot so we can get in." Mechtail looked around and spoted a piece of pipe and picked it up. "OK while I distract the Swatbot you sneek in." Sally looks at MechTail with anger. "No I don't want you get hurt, I'm sure there is another way." MechTail again put his paw on his head. "We don't have time or I don't anyways. I be fine Swatbots are programmed only to attack Freedom Fighters not Worker Bots." MechTail pushed Sally aside and walked out of the corner and walk right in front of the Swatbot. The Swatbot just looked at the Worker Bot for a second then something went click inside. "HALT WORKER BOT #549268217 YOU ARE TO BE DETAND BY THE ORDER OF PACKBELL!" MechTail look in horror as the Swatbot walked forward to grab him. MechTail swong the metal bar at the bot, the Swatbot just grabed it and through it a side. MechTail jump out of the way. The Swatbot turned and walked forward trying to grab MechTail. MechTail used his robotic legs to jump again but this time landing on the Swatbot shoulders. Sally watched MechTail fighting with the Swatbot. MechTail look at Sally. "GO, DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME GO!." Sally limped as fast as she could through the door. Unaware to both of them a Spy orbe was watching. The Swatbot tried to get a hold of the malfuncioning Worker Bot. "SAY UNCLE, SAY UNCLE!." MechTail grabing the Swatbot's head and twisted it around. Sparks flew every ware as MechTail ripped the Swatbot's head off. The headless body fell over. MechTail landed on the ground still holded the Swatbot's head. Sally limped the best she could even with the piece of wood it was taking time to climb a flight of stairs, she would have taken the elevator but she was not sure how safe it would be. MechTail droped the Swatbot head and then ran into the building after Sally. Sally reached the top of the stairs. MechTail was starting to feel dizzy, the power ring was lossing its charge and he felt like he was sleep walking. He saw an elevator and pushed the button the door slid open. MechTail walked in and pressed a button. As the door slid shut a hand grabed it and forced it open is was Packbell. Packbell walked in. "Hello slave missed me?" "Oh Shi.." Mechtail said as the door closed. Sally limped into a comuncations room and headed towards a control panel. She found a keyboard and started typing. "Access Denied." The computer said. "This would be alot easier if Nicole was here." Sally said and tryed again but this time she used a password that Bookshire used. "Access granted." Sally hacked some more and typed in a message. Just as Sally pressed send a metal paw grabed her and pulled her away. She looked around it was MechTail. "Oh you scared me." MechTail just stood there holded her tight his eyes were glowing red. Packbell walked up behind the Worker Bot. "Realy Princess you should know better then to play with equipment that does not belong to you. I see you have meet one of my Worker Bots. I don't know what you did but I fixed him, and now its your turn. Worker Bot take the Princess to the roboticizer." MechTail looked at Packbell. "AS YOU COMMAND." MechTail grabed Sally and walked out of the room, Packbell was right behind them. Back at Knothole the Freedom Fighters were siting and listening to speechs from good friends of Sally. Sonic choosed to go last, he had a lot to think about. He was sitting besides Tails and Rotor. Rosie just finished a tearfull speach and steeped down. Antoine then walked up draging along a big pile of paper. Sonic mumbled. "Oh man, were going to be here for hours." Ten minutes later. Sonic mumbles. "I'm veging real bad here, come on Ant. I'm falling sleep." 'Beep, Beep.' "Well anything is better then this. Whats up Nicole?" "Sonic I have picked up a transmision from Robotropolis." Sonic scrached his head. "So?" "Sonic I beleave the message is from Sally." Sonic's eyes widen. "What?" Sonic jumped out of his set and ran straight towards the pond. A power ring was appearing. A freedom fighter on watch went up to grab it, Sonic pushed him out of the way. "Sorry I'm in a hurry!" Sonic grabed the ring. "Nicole what's the message?" "The message is in text. I will read it. Sonic help in Robotropolis, Sally, BEAN." Sonic closed Nicole and put the computer in a pocket since he was waring clothes. "I'M COMING SAL!" Sonic lifted up the ring. 'BOOM' Sonic was gone. "A home sweat home." Packbell said as MechTail pulled Sally into the roboticizer room. Sally look at Packbell. "You may have me but the freedom fighters will stop you some day." Packbell looked at Sally with an evil smile. "I doubt it. Now as soon as Needle Nose gets here we can get started!" "I heard that!" Snively said as he walked in. "So good to see you again Princess." Snively smilled. "Yes, I will succeed where Robotnik has failed." Packbell wanted to say something then changed his mind. Sally turned her head to see MechTail behind her still holding her tight, his eyes glowing red. */Poor Mechtail, I have got to get him back, but how?\* MechTail was totaly out of it. All he could see was blured images fading in and out of his semiconscious mind, it was like he was dreaming. Snively looked at Packbell. "Care to do the honers?" Packbell smiled. "I have a better idea. I will let her new friend do it. Worker Bot put her in the robotiziser!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes I know you hate it when I do this but I next chapter well be along very soon. BYE. --=====================_822112529==_-- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 20 04:03:17 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id CAA12597 for sonic-ll; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:54:14 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id CAA12590 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:54:09 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA30224 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:49:13 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:49:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199601200849.BAA30224@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Hey, anybody like my RPG? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net First, to keep this letter to the context of this list, does anyone have a rough history of the Sonic world? Some body asked me for a plot and history (I think, have to reread the message) Now, has anyone tested my RPG? I know some of you don't have much time, but those that do, how is it? (reply to me please) Feel free to sent me any characters that you deem worthy of me taking a look at. Oh, that's right...I don't know who's all making retyped versions of the RPG, so those who are, please send me a copy. (the first copy looked bad because of human error caused by lack of sleep) How many Freedom Fighter groups are out there do you think? I know of the Knothole resistance, the Wolfpack, the Eastern and Western groups and my own, the Scarlet Bluebirds. (from the still half written story I keep rambling about to everyone) Any I should include? (Helps for RPG stuff) I've talked enough, Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 20 17:41:27 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA25644 for sonic-ll; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:36:34 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA25639 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:36:32 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA06961; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:36:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:36:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Knothole's Origins (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 05:19:06 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Knothole's Origins In the Sat. AM episode "Blast to the Past", it was established that Knothole village existed even before the coup. Now, my personal theory is that it and other such secret villages were established as safe havens for the mobian royal family and citizens during the Great War. There's only one problem with this idea: if the King knew of the location of these villages (as evinced by his list of Freedom Fighter groups), wouldn't his Minister of War (Robotnik) have known them as well? I'm assuming that the King made the list before he was thrown into the Void, as he seems pretty cut off from the goings-on of Mobius now that he's in the Void. Besides, how would Ari have known of the list if it hadn't existed before the King entered the Void? Any ideas about either question? Perhaps King Acorn didn't really trust his Minister of War as much as he seemed to, and so kept the locations secret from him. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 20 19:58:55 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA05019 for sonic-ll; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:57:01 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA05014 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:56:58 -0500 Received: from by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id XAA06175; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:54:42 GMT Received: by (5.0/8.6.9) id AA21820 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:56:22 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:56:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9601202356.AA21820@> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Sonic intro AVI. From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 335 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, i heard on the list that someone wanted an AVI of the intro to the SatAM Sonic show. I got it made, with sound... Its a hefty size though: 18 megs zipped, 28 undone. Its 120x180 (or some size like that), 11000htz 8-bit mono sound. If you want it i'll upload it to rat.org, but it'll take a GOOD while.. EVen at 28.8. :P Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 20 23:17:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA15337 for sonic-ll; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:56:32 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA15267 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:56:27 -0500 Received: from lex.dorm.rutgers.edu (lex.dorm.rutgers.edu [128.6.139.12]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13520 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:56:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199601210256.VAA13520@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:56:28 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: Sonic intro AVI. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 06:56 PM 1/20/96 -0500, you wrote: >Well, i heard on the list that someone wanted an AVI of the intro to the >SatAM Sonic show. I got it made, with sound... Its a hefty size though: 18 >megs zipped, 28 undone. Its 120x180 (or some size like that), 11000htz >8-bit mono sound. If you want it i'll upload it to rat.org, but it'll take >a GOOD while.. EVen at 28.8. :P > >Kain > 18 Megs???? That's rediculous. The one there without the theme song (just words) is only 2 megs. I think you should compress the AVI before you send it to Rat. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 20 23:19:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA16360 for sonic-ll; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:17:31 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA16353 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:17:27 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA26600 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:17:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 22:17:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960120221720.7478@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: New story. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) >Anyways I have made up some storys they you guys/gals might injoy maby even >Joseph. >Note I try to keep the story blanced between Sonic and others. I didn't see Robotnik in there, but otherwise not bad... >You may like of not I don't care I have spent a lot of time typing this story >out so please only good comments. I.e., you'd rather have no feedback at all than critical feedback? :^) OK, here are just a few somewhat neutral questions and comments: (spoiler warning for those who haven't read it, and if anybody on my mini-mailing list wants a copy, let me know): I guess I can accept that the power-ring's effect of freeing the will of a roboticized invidivual will work on others besides Uncle Chuck, but then the effect shouldn't have worn off like it did (actually, I assume Mech-Tail permanently regained his will at the end through sheer willpower like Uncle Chuck did too, so I guess that worked after all...) I'm somewhat surprised that Packbell took orders from Snively the way he did... I don't know if I can believe the combination of an exploding roboticizer and a used power ring can _unroboticize_ somebody (which is what I assume the end meant). However, here's an idea for your next story: yes, this is what happened, but the process left MechTail charged with an unstable energy (insert Tech-babble here) that will kill him unless taken care of - one choice would be re-robotization (or is is re-roboticization?), another would be a noble sacrifice saving the others, and there's the quasi-happy ending whereby he's cured, but the total process won't work again for anybody else (standard plot device...) You might have wanted to put your note about your spelling and grammar needing work at the front of the story, that way Dan Drazen would save some ink in his editor's pen :^) All in all, not bad - bring on the next one! RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 01:16:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA23173 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:24:50 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA23166 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:24:46 -0500 Received: from lex.dorm.rutgers.edu (lex.dorm.rutgers.edu [128.6.139.12]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA25290 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:24:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199601210524.AAA25290@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:24:44 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Order for Fanfic? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I was at Bookshire's page and saw all the stories there, what I'm wondering is what is the order they should be read in story wise. I realize that it might not make a difference with stories by different authors, but some authors have used other others characters and I'd like to know the order they should be read in. Thanks. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 01:38:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA26523 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:15:13 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA26517 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:15:10 -0500 Received: from by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id GAA15364; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:12:51 GMT Received: by (5.0/8.6.9) id AA12844 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:14:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:14:32 -0500 Message-Id: <9601210614.AA12844@> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic intro AVI. From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 529 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Jan 20, 1996 21:56:28, 'Michael Kraft ' wrote: >18 Megs???? >That's rediculous. The one there without the theme song (just words) is only >2 megs. I think you >should compress the AVI before you send it to Rat. I did compress it. I used the same compression format that was used ont he Wheezer.avi from the Win95 cd. Used Digital Video Prodicer ot edit the AVI. Was 52 megs in uncompressed AVI. *shrugs* I coudl try it again, but it cant get much smaller. And sound takes up alot. Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 05:58:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id FAA09283 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 05:32:05 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id FAA09278 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 05:32:02 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id FAA01029; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 05:32:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 05:32:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Order for Fanfic? (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 04:48:14 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: Order for Fanfic? > > I was at Bookshire's page and saw all the stories there, what I'm wondering > is what is the order they should be read in story wise. > > I realize that it might not make a difference with stories by different > authors, but some authors have used other others characters and I'd like to > know the order they should be read in. Thanks. > > Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) That's a pretty tall order, Michael! I'm not sure I can even remember all the stories! There is one recommendation I can make, though: read "Tolouse's (sp?) Story", "Run With the Fox", and "On my Mother's Grave" in that order and before you read "Nothing for Granted". Oh yeah, read "Starship Down" before reading "Everything Changes" or "This Island Floating (I think that's the title, anyway)". After "Starship Down", there are one or two other stories featuring Joseph, a character introduced in "Starship Down", that you should read before reading the latter two. Unfortunately, I can't remember their titles. I hope this helps! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 06:27:50 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA11977 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:11:15 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id GAA11972 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 06:11:02 -0500 Received: from anx_14.global.co.za (anx_14.global.co.za [196.3.164.64]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08896 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:02:59 GMT Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:02:59 GMT Message-Id: <199601211302.NAA08896@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Re: Order for Fanfic? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I was at Bookshire's page and saw all the stories there, what I'm wondering >is what is the order they should be read in story wise. > >I realize that it might not make a difference with stories by different >authors, but some authors have used other others characters and I'd like to >know the order they should be read in. Thanks. Top downwards, this is the order in which they were more or less created..= :) (Of course, an evil side of me wants to tell you to read bottom up.. since my stories are at the edge) Cheers :) *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | "What can I say? | | O o o O o O o O O O o | I'm a trained | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | professional!" = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Marken Psantis = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Often the destiny of an entire planet is determined by the mere feelings= =20 between two people." - Emperor M. of the Cinz. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 09:27:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA20354 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:37 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA20348 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:34 -0500 Received: from nb1-35.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0te0WQ-000D2kC; Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:13 EST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:13 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: New story. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >I'm somewhat surprised that Packbell took orders from Snively the way he >did... This story takes place after Doomsday and before Packbell takes over. The time line is a bit different then some of the other storys out there. Oh well. > From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 09:36:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA20360 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:40 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA20355 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:37 -0500 Received: from nb1-35.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0te0WR-000D2oC; Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:13 EST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:13 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Sonic intro AVI. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >On Jan 20, 1996 21:56:28, 'Michael Kraft ' wrote: > > > >>18 Megs???? >>That's rediculous. The one there without the theme song (just words) is >only >>2 megs. I think you >>should compress the AVI before you send it to Rat. >I did compress it. I used the same compression format that was used ont he >Wheezer.avi from the Win95 cd. Used Digital Video Prodicer ot edit the AVI. >Was 52 megs in uncompressed AVI. *shrugs* I coudl try it again, but it cant >get much smaller. And sound takes up alot. > >Kain >root > I'll try it here I might be lucky and get it down to 7 megs. By setting it to mono and reducing the frame rate to 15 or 10. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 09:55:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA20374 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:14:42 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA20369 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:14:39 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24789; Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:20:20 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 41895W Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:13:46 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Other Sonics #1: The Barbarian Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:39:08 GMT Message-Id: <96012109134661195@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: Ratman -> To: Robert Haynie -> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:37:08 -0500 (EST) -> Subject: Re: Other Sonics #1: The Barbarian -> -> On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Robert Haynie wrote: -> -> > Thanks for you nice words, Al. I'll be posting it here on the -> > when I finish part two (that is, posting part two). 'Fraid my -> > mailserver has limited time, so I can't afford to send out individu -> > copies, tho... Sorry. -> > `` rob -> -> If you sent it to bookshire@rat.org -> he would probably put it on his fan fiction page, then everyone could -> read it. -> -> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -> ---- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : -> ftp://rat.org/pub -> --------------------------------------------------------------------- -> ---- I'll have to look into that... rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 09:56:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA20346 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:32 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA20341 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:13:30 -0500 Received: from nb1-35.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0te0WO-000D2jC; Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:13 EST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 09:13 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: New story. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >>From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) > >>Anyways I have made up some storys they you guys/gals might injoy maby even >>Joseph. >>Note I try to keep the story blanced between Sonic and others. > >I didn't see Robotnik in there, but otherwise not bad... > >>You may like of not I don't care I have spent a lot of time typing this story >>out so please only good comments. > >I.e., you'd rather have no feedback at all than critical feedback? :^) > >OK, here are just a few somewhat neutral questions and comments: >(spoiler warning for those who haven't read it, and if anybody on my >mini-mailing list wants a copy, let me know): > >I guess I can accept that the power-ring's effect of freeing the will of a >roboticized invidivual will work on others besides Uncle Chuck, but then >the effect shouldn't have worn off like it did (actually, I assume >Mech-Tail permanently regained his will at the end through sheer willpower >like Uncle Chuck did too, so I guess that worked after all...) > >I'm somewhat surprised that Packbell took orders from Snively the way he >did... > >I don't know if I can believe the combination of an exploding roboticizer >and a used power ring can _unroboticize_ somebody (which is what I assume >the end meant). However, here's an idea for your next story: yes, this is >what happened, but the process left MechTail charged with an unstable >energy (insert Tech-babble here) that will kill him unless taken care of - >one choice would be re-robotization (or is is re-roboticization?), another >would be a noble sacrifice saving the others, and there's the quasi-happy >ending whereby he's cured, but the total process won't work again for >anybody else (standard plot device...) > >You might have wanted to put your note about your spelling and grammar >needing work at the front of the story, that way Dan Drazen would save some >ink in his editor's pen :^) > >All in all, not bad - bring on the next one! > >RDB >root > Like I said before sorry about the spelling and grammer. I do better in my next story. Anyways the effects of be de-roboticized like that can happen only once. It would be too hard to recreate the accedent anyways. The power ring he been intergrated into his nerves system and has stablized more or less for now that may change. After all has a power ring ever killed anyone. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 14:33:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA06173 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:49:11 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA06168 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:49:07 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA20849 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:49:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960121134904.7b2d@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: New story. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) >>I'm somewhat surprised that Packbell took orders from Snively the way he >>did... >This story takes place after Doomsday and before Packbell takes over. The time >line is a bit different then some of the other storys out there. Oh well. I remembered that about 8 hours after I sent my message - oops.... I don't know whether this is a negative or neutral observation, but the story read so much like a pre-Doomsday story that I forgot that it wasn't supposed to be one... RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 14:59:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA07973 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:24:12 -0500 Received: from wn1.wn.net (GANGI@wn1.wn.net [204.249.102.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA07968 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:24:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199601211924.OAA07968@bort.mv.net> Received: from mail1.wn.net [204.249.102.49] by wn1.wn.net with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 14:21 EST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 14:24:36 EST From: parallax@wn.net (Christopher John Adams) To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: A small mystery Sonic Theme music... (major key?) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi I have been wondering for a long time if what i heard was a dream! I could have sworn that the intro theme for the sat. show.. changed. I seem to remember a different version.. of it. same graphics. but different music.. i have a copy of the current theme. This particular one.. was in the major key.. all the way through. Take a look and listen to the current one.. When Bunnie pulls the grate off it changes key to the more upbeat major key.. i used to i think have this theme (major all the way) but now i cant find it.. does it exist? if so can some kind soul do it at 44khz stereo and let me know! Thank you.. I can be reached at the email address below or as Sally on furrymuck or Furtoonia! Thanks in advance.. I want this mystery solved! To boldly go where no one wanted to go....before! Forever Furry ;) (If you have to ask your not one.) "Giggle" There Are times when men of good conscience cannot blindly follow orders... Capt. Picard STTNG And ... Will the last person to leave the planet..Please turn off the sun!!! Christopher John Adams parallax@wn.net The american Heritage Dictionary describs M$ Windows95 as a computer virus with a start button! Go ahead press the shiny red button.. i dare ya.. poof! Look me.. i just STARTed it up. and my hard drive is gone. yeah! I'll stick with OS/2... (Member Team OS/2) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 16:01:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA12419 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:57 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA12407 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:54 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00270 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:23 -0500 Message-ID: <960121154522_123063661@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Order for Fanfic? (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Now they want on order to read the stories, eh? Remind me to post up a chart on mine... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<<---FanFics out the ying-yang.. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 16:17:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA12315 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:40 -0500 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com (mail02.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.66]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA12276 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:37 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04160 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:06 -0500 Message-ID: <960121154502_123063372@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Clipping the show... Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-17 19:56:23 EST, you write: > Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of their >sunday morning broadcast of StH? > rob > > YO! Rocket Scientist!! Is it FULL time or PART time?! "I say let's find the dork responsible and roboticize him *personally*!" David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 16:30:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA13037 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:48:54 -0500 Received: from unix.infoserve.net (unix.infoserve.net [199.175.157.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA13032 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:48:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (bradc@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA14022; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:01:09 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:01:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Clark Subject: Re: A small mystery Sonic Theme music... (major key?) To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199601211924.OAA07968@bort.mv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Christopher John Adams wrote: > > Hi I have been wondering for a long time if what i heard was a dream! > I could have sworn that the intro theme for the sat. show.. changed. > I seem to remember a different version.. of it. same graphics. but > different music.. > i have a copy of the current theme. > This particular one.. was in the major key.. all the way through. > Take a look and listen to the current one.. When Bunnie pulls the grate off > it changes key to the more upbeat major key.. > i used to i think have this theme (major all the way) but now i cant find it.. > does it exist? if so can some kind soul do it at 44khz stereo and let me know! > Thank you.. Nope, you aren't dreaming....there is one episode, that has a slightly different theme song to it. It was one of the first eps aired on ABC. If they've changed it or not now I have no idea because of the visually disabled country I live in. (No USA network) Anyway, the song is sung in a slightly different key, and has a really weird style to it. IMO I'm glad they changed it. I'll see what I can do about making a wav of it...pretty sure I have it someplace. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x RL: Brad D. Clark Furtoonia: Orwin Raccoon/GrumpyBear x x bradc@unix.infoserve.net x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 17:26:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA18769 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:07:32 -0500 Received: from wn1.wn.net (GANGI@[204.249.102.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA18761 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:07:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199601212207.RAA18761@bort.mv.net> Received: from mail1.wn.net [204.249.102.49] by wn1.wn.net with SMTP-OpenVMS via TCP/IP; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:05 EST Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 17:07:59 EST From: parallax@wn.net (Christopher John Adams) To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: re re sonic major theme Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net if your refering to the one with the swinging voice.. very glissando.. i have it.. this was sung normaly.. but in the major key only.. like the second half of the opening and the closing.. hope we can find it.. but send the other one incase it isn't the one i am thinking of.. thanks To boldly go where no one wanted to go....before! Forever Furry ;) (If you have to ask your not one.) "Giggle" There Are times when men of good conscience cannot blindly follow orders... Capt. Picard STTNG And ... Will the last person to leave the planet..Please turn off the sun!!! Christopher John Adams parallax@wn.net The american Heritage Dictionary describs M$ Windows95 as a computer virus with a start button! Go ahead press the shiny red button.. i dare ya.. poof! Look me.. i just STARTed it up. and my hard drive is gone. yeah! I'll stick with OS/2... (Member Team OS/2) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 18:26:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA22031 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:58:26 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA22023 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:58:01 -0500 Received: from by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id WAA07319; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 22:55:35 GMT Received: by (5.0/8.6.9) id AA24474 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:59:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:59:03 -0500 Message-Id: <9601212259.AA24474@> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Sonic AVI (resized) From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-Pipeuser: SirKain X-Pipehub: usa.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 content-length: 198 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net OK, I've redone the avi file... used another compression (intel indeo r3.2 or something like that) now only 3.8 megs big! 3.1 zipped. Just tell me where to upload it and i'll send it there. Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 20:49:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA29785 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:00:31 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA29774 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:00:28 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id UAA00445; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:00:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:00:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic AVI (resized) In-Reply-To: <9601212259.AA24474@> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Eric Goodwin wrote: > OK, I've redone the avi file... used another compression (intel indeo r3.2 > or something like that) now only 3.8 megs big! 3.1 zipped. Just tell me > where to upload it and i'll send it there. All uploads for rat.org should go to the /incoming directory. If you don't have ftp access, you can mail your file to rat@rat.org. All uploads are subject to approval. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 20:57:56 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA28568 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:51:36 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA28561 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:51:33 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA29718; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:51:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:51:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: RPG on its way. (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to AHVT94B@prodigy.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:16:26 EST From: THADDEUS BOYD To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: RPG on its way. >Dulcy seems to me to be younger than the other FFs, as she isn't able to >lay eggs and talks like a young child, or are dragons just growing slower? Well, according to just about every single fantasy story I've ever read (at least all the ones that included dragons), dragons live for millenia, and thus, grow pretty slowly. So, for all we know, Dulcy could be 10 times the age of everyone else, but still less mature. >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 21:03:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA28683 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:53:31 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA28678 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:53:28 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA29821; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:53:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 19:53:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Perv stuff (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to AHVT94B@prodigy.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:16:22 EST From: THADDEUS BOYD To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Perv stuff Ummm, okay, I'm finally getting around to reading stuff that was written a week ago. At least the big-deal New Year's flood on the other ML I subscribe to has died down. Only about 100 messages this week. 8-/ Anywayz, here goes... >> I have nothing against ppl having s*x, no matter what race cread or >> colour.... >> >> Its just the image of two or more animals doing it in graphic, and >> explicite imagies, especially where small children could get at it when >> they go looking for sonic stories.... > >How many children are there on the net? >How many can utilise the rat site? >How many wouldn't be put off? >Those who pass these points are obviously mature enough to see those >images. IMHO, it's not about ANY of the facts that have been posted here. The way I see it, furry sex is pretty tasteless, and the only thing that ticked me off about the pix' removal was the idea that we might lose the fanfic and other pix as well. Of course, that's just MY opin, and if anyone out there happens to be turned on by naked cartoon animals, that's not my biz. >< From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 21:56:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA04152 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:38:32 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA04147 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:38:30 -0500 Received: from nb1-39.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0teC8t-000D36C; Sun, 21 Jan 96 21:37 EST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 21:37 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Sonic AVI (resized) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Eric Goodwin wrote: > >> OK, I've redone the avi file... used another compression (intel indeo r3.2 >> or something like that) now only 3.8 megs big! 3.1 zipped. Just tell me >> where to upload it and i'll send it there. > >All uploads for rat.org should go to the /incoming directory. If you >don't have ftp access, you can mail your file to rat@rat.org. All >uploads are subject to approval. > > >Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! >"Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog >A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ >$+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 >Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma > > Now all that RAT man has to do is fix it so I can upload more then one file at a time with out the ftp sight giving up. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 22:23:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA05357 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:46:46 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA05348 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:46:42 -0500 Received: from nb1-39.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0teCHE-000D30C; Sun, 21 Jan 96 21:46 EST Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 96 21:46 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Perv stuff (fwd) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author >directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to AHVT94B@prodigy.com. > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:16:22 EST >From: THADDEUS BOYD >To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Subject: Re: Perv stuff > >Ummm, okay, I'm finally getting around to reading stuff that was written a >week ago. At least the big-deal New Year's flood on the other ML I >subscribe to has died down. Only about 100 messages this week. 8-/ >Anywayz, here goes... > >>> I have nothing against ppl having s*x, no matter what race cread or >>> colour.... >>> >>> Its just the image of two or more animals doing it in graphic, and >>> explicite imagies, especially where small children could get at it when >>> they go looking for sonic stories.... >> >>How many children are there on the net? >>How many can utilise the rat site? >>How many wouldn't be put off? >>Those who pass these points are obviously mature enough to see those >images. > > IMHO, it's not about ANY of the facts that have been posted here. >The way I see it, furry sex is pretty tasteless, and the only thing that >ticked me off about the pix' removal was the idea that we might lose the >fanfic and other pix as well. Of course, that's just MY opin, and if >anyone out there happens to be turned on by naked cartoon animals, that's >not my biz. >< > > >root > Well all I can say about that is. The only pevrs stuff around is located at Furry Muck. Another sight I can't seem to get anyware with use to be at www.ripco.com. I think most of the sights have been cleaned up. Almost no way and no how is anyone going to find pevrs Sonic stuff. Not that I want it. I just consider it a chalenge. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 22:29:07 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA03963 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:29:37 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA03958 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:29:35 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA07432; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:29:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:29:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: A small mystery Sonic Theme music... (major key?) (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: A small mystery Sonic Theme music... (major key?) > > I could have sworn that the intro theme for the sat. show.. changed. > > I seem to remember a different version.. of it. same graphics. but > different music.. > > i have a copy of the current theme. > > This particular one.. was in the major key.. all the way through. > > Take a look and listen to the current one.. When Bunnie pulls the grate off > it changes key to the more upbeat major key.. > > i used to i think have this theme (major all the way) but now i cant find it.. > > > does it exist? if so can some kind soul do it at 44khz stereo and let me know! > I have the opening theme as a .wav file. However, its only 11khz mono (I have an old soundcard). I haven't noticed any changes in the theme. But, of course, I haven't been listening for them. I'll have to keep my ears peeled from now on! Though, I can't see any reason anyone would want to change the theme song. By the way, I think you can download the theme song as a .wav from http://rat.org. The file's called (I think) sonic-th.zip. > > > Christopher John Adams > parallax@wn.net > The american Heritage Dictionary describs M$ Windows95 as > a computer virus with a start button! Go ahead press the shiny red > button.. i dare ya.. poof! Look me.. i just STARTed it up. and my hard > drive is gone. yeah! > > I'll stick with OS/2... (Member Team OS/2) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 21 23:26:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA10387 for sonic-ll; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:04:30 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA10382 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:04:28 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA25726; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:04:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic AVI (resized) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Paul Lapensee wrote: > Now all that RAT man has to do is fix it so I can upload more then one file > at a time with out the ftp sight giving up. This is a good example of an off topic post. Anything regarding the technical workings of my site (note it's spelled SITE, like "launch site" and "construction site") should be directed to me and not the list. Nobody reply to this on the list. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 07:54:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA08738 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 07:43:14 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA08733 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 07:43:11 -0500 Received: from nb1-38.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0teLad-000D2xC; Mon, 22 Jan 96 07:43 EST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 07:43 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Sonic AVI (resized) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, Paul Lapensee wrote: > >> Now all that RAT man has to do is fix it so I can upload more then one file >> at a time with out the ftp sight giving up. > >This is a good example of an off topic post. >Anything regarding the technical workings of my site (note it's spelled SITE, >like "launch site" and "construction site") should be directed to me and not >the list. >Nobody reply to this on the list. Thanks. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >root > Sorry no offence. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 10:25:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA19245 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:59:05 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA19240 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:59:03 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13182; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:59:00 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id JAA17597; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:58:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199601221458.JAA17597@edmund> Subject: Re: Knothole's Origins (fwd) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:58:58 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Erich Schulman" at Jan 20, 96 04:36:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > In the Sat. AM episode "Blast to the Past", it was established that > Knothole village existed even before the coup. Now, my personal theory > is that it and other such secret villages were established as safe havens > for the mobian royal family and citizens during the Great War. > > There's only one problem with this idea: if the King knew of the location > of these villages (as evinced by his list of Freedom Fighter groups), > wouldn't his Minister of War (Robotnik) have known them as well? I'm > assuming that the King made the list before he was thrown into the Void, > as he seems pretty cut off from the goings-on of Mobius now that he's in > the Void. Besides, how would Ari have known of the list if it hadn't > existed before the King entered the Void? Any ideas about either question? > > Perhaps King Acorn didn't really trust his Minister of War as much as he > seemed to, and so kept the locations secret from him. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) > That's the question I wrestled with as well. My solution, as spelled out in Chapter 2 of my fanfic "Capture The Flag," was that Knothole had been thought of as a safe haven, then a royal retreat once the tide of battle had turned. I never got around to saying so, but Robotnik (dba Julian) wasn't in the loop, though Sir Charles Hedgehog was. That also explains how the ring generator got there. The business with the list, OTOH, is a serious plot hole. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 11:08:38 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA21025 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:36:04 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA17848 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:50:20 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA06871; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:50:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:50:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic AVI (resized) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Paul Lapensee wrote: > >This is a good example of an off topic post. > >Anything regarding the technical workings of my site (note it's spelled SITE, > >like "launch site" and "construction site") should be directed to me and not > >the list. > >Nobody reply to this on the list. Thanks. > Sorry no offence. ARG!!!!!!!!!!! I said DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ON THE LIST!!!!!!!!!!! If I see anyone reply to this, I'm going to have to get medieval! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 11:10:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA20533 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:26:16 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA20523 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:26:13 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA14432; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:26:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Sonic AVI (resized) (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Approve: hcjb26040 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:50:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic AVI (resized) On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Paul Lapensee wrote: > >This is a good example of an off topic post. > >Anything regarding the technical workings of my site (note it's spelled SITE, > >like "launch site" and "construction site") should be directed to me and not > >the list. > >Nobody reply to this on the list. Thanks. > Sorry no offence. ARG!!!!!!!!!!! I said DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ON THE LIST!!!!!!!!!!! If I see anyone reply to this, I'm going to have to get medieval! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 11:41:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA20812 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:32:42 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA20807 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:32:39 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14716; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:32:36 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id KAA21532; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:32:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199601221532.KAA21532@edmund> Subject: Re: Hey, anybody like my RPG? To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:32:33 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601200849.BAA30224@hp9000.eita8net.com> from "hoch@eita8net.com" at Jan 20, 96 01:49:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > How many Freedom Fighter groups are out there do you think? I know of > the Knothole resistance, the Wolfpack, the Eastern and Western groups and my > own, the Scarlet Bluebirds (from the still half written story I keep rambling > about to everyone). > There is no "Westewrn" group mentioned in the TV series: the "list" is supposed to have included the names of 5 groups -- don't know whether Knothole is even ON the list. Aside from the Wolfpack, Southern and Eastern groups are specifically mentioned in the Doomsday ep (their representatives, respectively, were Paolo and Dirk). If you want to include the Archie comics, we've run across the Forty Fathom Freedom Fighters and the Downunda Freedom Fighters in the course of the Tails miniseries. Always room for one more, right? ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 13:31:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA03452 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:02:08 -0500 Received: from ns2.ac.edu (NS2.ac.edu [134.224.1.29]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA03447 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:02:05 -0500 Received: from jaguar.ac.edu by ns2.ac.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01647; Mon, 22 Jan 96 13:07:44 EST Received: by jaguar.ac.edu (wcGATE v4) id 32890W Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:01:04 GMT From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Subject: Re: Clipping the show... Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:43:30 GMT Message-Id: <96012213010462329@jaguar.ac.edu> Organization: Augusta College, Augusta GA To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net -> From: DGonterman@aol.com -> To: bort.mv.net!sonic -> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:45:06 -0500 -> Subject: Re: Clipping the show... -> -> In a message dated 96-01-17 19:56:23 EST, you write: -> -> > Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of thei -> >sunday morning broadcast of StH? -> > rob -> > -> > -> -> YO! Rocket Scientist!! Is it FULL time or PART time?! -> -> "I say let's find the dork responsible and roboticize him -> *personally*!" -> David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] -> http://users.aol.com/dgonterman -> I love you too, Dave. rob From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 17:04:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA18492 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:41:04 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA18487 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:41:01 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA14494; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:41:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:41:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Re: Highagain! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Dmitry Murashchik wrote: > disappointed when in Blast to the Past, I saw that Bunny was not > robotisized when she was a kid. I also had a "snap-shot" of her > being robotisized as a kid in my head, and believed 100 percent I would be disappointed by those additional years of partial roboticization getting put upon her if that had been true. Sure, she makes some use of her robotic limbs, but surely you don't want her to be roboticized, do you? You can see Bunnie in a "Bot On The Spot" portable roboticizer in the Archie comics. I don't remember the issue number but I think it's somewhere 1-10. In that issue, she is clearly not a little kid. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 22 17:44:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA18166 for sonic-ll; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:33:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199601222133.QAA18166@bort.mv.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:12:58 -0500 From: Dmitry Murashchik To: "Sonic@lists.mv.net"@blkcat.com Subject: Highagain! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hello again! During the past couple of weeks I thought up of a couple of ideas (maybe they are even good enough for your FAQ Dan). First of all, I have an opinion on Sonic's speed: He was born the same as he is now, except for his speed (Blue hedgehog with a cool attitude, but with normal speed). Then, one day, he came in contact with a very strong power source (This happened before he was five, since in "Blast to the Past" he already had his speed ). His body got filled with energy, and to keep themselves from disintegrating(?), his cells had to mutate (there was plenty of energy to do that). First of all, the cells reconfigured themselves to be able to take in energy at great speed (thus no fatigue from running too fast), and they also needed a safe way of getting rid of that energy. Giving it off as heat energy would probably burn the body (literally), so the next best method it could think of was KINETIC ENERGY! (the muscle cells now can expand and contract very quickly, thus burn off anergy safely, quickly, and at the same time, kick some fat butt). Now the only problem that Sonic has, is that "addiction" to chilli dogs, junk food, and any other fatty foods that can provide a lot of calories (hey! another explanation!). I got my copy of the tapes last saturday (thanks Ron), and I couldn't find the map that's printed out so clearly in my head (in fact, I can recall every detail of the picture). Also I was disappointed when in Blast to the Past, I saw that Bunny was not robotisized when she was a kid. I also had a "snap-shot" of her being robotisized as a kid in my head, and believed 100 percent that that was true. I also believe 100 percent that Sally is about 2 month older that Sonic, but can't find any proof (I feel about that about as much as I feel about birds being able to fly). And last, I really think that after Doomsday, and Robotnik's thought off defeat, Robotnik will come back in about two month (very disfigured, but nothing a little plastic surgery can't fix). Am I so obsessed with Sonic that my brain attracts information directly form Mobius? (sounds like an episode of X-Files) I have no idea. The only thing I know is that I just all of a sudden know some part of that world, and can't get it out of me. One more thing. In the episode Heads or Tails (the very badly drawn one in comparison to others), Sally Alicia looks exactly like the one in the game Sonic Spinball (what was made first, DiC episodes, or the game? And what was based on what? And why the heck is there Sally in the game, but there is no Knothole, Snively, or anything else we've come to admire? And why am I taking up all your valuable time with all these questions?) Thank you for your time (are you actually still reading?) SONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONIC Y S Writer/Sculptor/Hacker S "If it ain't S L Dmitry O Collector A blue, don't get A L (Sonic Fan) N And all that other cool L it" - ME L A Murashchik I stuff that won't make a L (A rule I try L S C difference on a resume. Y to follow) Y CINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOS *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>} E-MAIL {<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<* I DMITRY.MURASHCHIK@F480.N109.Z1.FIDONET.ORG I *<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>* Here's an interesting quote: "I am going to overload this sucker!"-Sally, hating the backup generators for going online, in Sonic Racer. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 23 00:36:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA20970 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:02:40 -0500 Received: from shadow.genesis.org (root@genesis.org.131.204.in-addr.arpa [204.131.80.65]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA20961 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:02:32 -0500 Received: (from edward@localhost) by shadow.genesis.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02041; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 00:28:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 00:28:56 -0700 (MST) From: Edward Becerra To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Sonic Fan Fic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net =09Well, folks, this is my first post to the mailing list. Hope it=20 makes it to you all. =09I've been writing fan fics for a while now, and this is the Sonic=20 one that I've done in the Blood and Metal storyline with David Gonterman. =09I decided to share it with all of you on the list, if you haven't=20 already seen it on David's web page. =09I hope you like it. =09And I remain, =09Most sincerely, =09Edward Becerra ************************************************************************* Visions in the Wind: Beginnings by Ed Becerra. ----------------------------------- A rolling prairie, somewhere on Mobius. It's nighttime. A coyote is sitting in the grass, legs crossed, in front of a small, dying fire. He looks up, to the distant stars. His eyes glow with a brilliant golden light. He hasn't taken either food or water for some days now. He's been fasting, for a spiritual quest. His name is Edward Anthony Coyote, but for some time now, the rest of the Wild Pack has simply called him "Kickaha". It means 'Trickster' in the old tongue. They had a good reason for it. Kickaha's spirit isn't here. That's what the fasting is supposed to do. Free the spirit from the body. Right now, Edward's spirit is speaking with his guide. Somewhere else... *Alright, alright, already! I'm here. Whaddaya want this time?* #There's someone new on Mobius. Someone I want to meet.# *There's someone new on Mobius every day. They're called "babies". * #I _meant_, there is someone new on Mobius, who isn't _FROM_ Mobius. He's from the Earth. I think he's one of my children.# *Hey, you got enough children to fill a sports stadium. What do ya need with this one?* #I believe he's one of _us_.# *Uh-oh.* #Uh-huh.# *So... Why haven't you spoken to him about it?* #I've tried. He can't hear me. Somebody needs to tell him about me, an= d point him in the right direction. Towards me.# *Lemme guess. I'm elected.* #Bright boy! Give that coyote a peace pipe and tell him what he's won.# *If I know you, it's a no-expenses paid trip to the other side of Mobius.* #Right the first time. So here's what I want you to do. You're going t= o travel to the Great Forest, and find a hidden village called Knothole. That's where Princess Sally's Freedom Fighters live. When you get there, find the tall fox with the robotic arm called Davey Crockett. He's the one.# *I thought you said he was from Earth. They only have humans there.* #It's a long story.# *Right. Figures. So I'm supposed to guide him to you, the way the shaman did with me?* #Yes.# *Fifty Mobians says it's a VERY long walk.* #You'd win that bet, if I'd taken it. So you'd better get back to your body, and get started.# *Just my luck. How am I supposed to recognize him?* #He's got a cyborg arm. How hard can it be?# *_That's_ a stupid question, Old Man. You're a spirit of mischief. Murphy's your beer buddy and poker pal. Whatever CAN go wrong is definitel= y GONNA go wrong. You think I haven't noticed? With our luck, there's probably five hundred cyborg foxes out there.* # Never mind that. Just go. With your injuries, you're going to need all the head start that you can get. Besides, there's a surprise in it for you.# *What?* #If I told you, it wouldn't be a surprise. Now go.# *All right. But you're going to owe me for this one. Big time.* There is a quiet moment. #Thank you... Grandson.# *Don't mention it... Grandfather.* =20 Back on the prairie... Kickaha rises painfully, and if there were anyone watching they'd notice his twisted back as he stands. The golden light fades from his eyes. He reaches for the ironwood throwing cane lying beside him. He ties up his bedroll, and lashes it to his pack. He carefully puts out the coals of his campfire and throws his pack across his shoulders. Taking his cane in his right paw, he limps off into the starry night. "Now, if I can only remember which way the Great Forest is..." he mutters. "Rassafrassin' furshlugginer felgercarbin' @#^$=A2=A4*%&!... " His voice fades into the silence. To Be Continued... ----------------------------------- Now for the legal stuff. Davey Crockett & the Wild Pack=20 Copyright by David Gonterman Kickaha=20 Copyright by Edward Becerra Coyote is a spirit of the native peoples of the Americas. Please respect him as you would your own beliefs. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 23 00:50:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA20979 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:02:51 -0500 Received: from shadow.genesis.org (root@genesis.org.131.204.in-addr.arpa [204.131.80.65]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA20969 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:02:39 -0500 Received: (from edward@localhost) by shadow.genesis.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA02053; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 00:35:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 00:35:39 -0700 (MST) From: Edward Becerra To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Sonic Fan Fic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, here's part 2 of the `Visions in the Wind' fan fic. I hope you like it. Let me know, won't you? Most sincerely, Edward Becerra ************************************************************************* Visions in the Wind: Walkabout by Ed Becerra. ----------------------------------- Some days later... "So this is what things looks like when you've got rain on a regular basis. Kinda beautiful." said Edward Anthony Coyote. "Bit damp for the likes of me, though. Funny to see _green_ grass everywhere, instead of brown buffalo grass, cactus, and tumble weeds." Kickaha had left his native dry, wind-swept desert prairie far behind him, and had just reached the edge of the Great Plains that lay next to the Great Forest. He still had a ways to go before he reached the forest and could start looking for the village of Knothole and it's famous Freedom Fighters. He lifted his muzzle and sniffed at the wind. "I smell water. Good thing, too. Been a long way since that last water hole. Cain't hardly eat jerky without water. Gotta refill my water skin. Hmmm... Smells like it's in that direction." He turned in the direction the scent was coming from, and limped slowly off towards it. He was moving a little stiffly. His back and legs were bothering him again. It was the damp climate. He looked around. "Better start looking out for those furshlugginer SWATbots. I'm a lot closer to Robotopolis, now. Probably got regular patrols out this way, hunting for any poor fool dumb enough to leave the protection of the forest. And right now, that means _me_. I wonder why I haven't seen any already. Robotnik's usually quite the paranoid. Used to be he'd have 'bots patroling out along the edge of the prairie. But that stopped some time ago. Something's happened. But what? He's evil and a more than a little stupid, but not careless." Kickaha pondered these thoughts as he walked, his cane thumping rythmically on the ground beside him. The scent of water was growing closer. The conclusions he was coming to worried him. He didn't like that. "Dammit! The tribes just don't have enough information on how the rebellion is going. I _told_ the shaman that, more than once. We need connections to groups who are closer to the fighting. Well, once I get ahold of this 'Davey Crockett' Old Man Coyote wants to talk to, maybe I can convince Princess Sally to share what her freedom fighters know with the Wild Pack." he growled to himself. He sighed. One more job to do. Didn't the work _ever_ end? Wasn't it enough that he was mashed up in that stupid accident? Hadn't he done enough, already? He snarled angrily. All he ever really wanted out of life were a few good books and a little time to read them. But duty called, in a tone he couldn't resist. He could hear the babbling of the small creek now. And, in the distance, an odd, whining noise that was rapidly coming closer. *Crud! That's a hovercycle! SWATbots for sure!* He yanked a camoflauge tarp from his pack, wrapping it around himself. He dropped to the ground, looking for all the world like a clump of grass and dirt. He gripped his cane tightly. *Okay, maybe they haven't noticed me yet. If so, then I've got the advantage of surprise. Best use it for all it's worth. One coyote against several Swats ain't good odds.* he thought. *Gonna need every advantage I can get.* Looking underneath the edge of the tarp, Kickaha could see the cycle coming in for a landing near the edge of the small creek. The whining sound stopped, as the Swat piloting it shut down the engine. There were two of them, the pilot and one Swat riding shotgun behind it. REALLY riding shotgun! *Damn! That's gotta be the biggest shotgun I've ever seen! From here, looks like a USAS-12 12-guage fully automatic assault shotgun. With a ten-round clip, at that. And it's carrying plenty of extra clips. Old Man Coyote is REALLY gonna owe me for this one. I'm not a fighter anymore, just a crippled-up ex-soldier and shaman-in-training. Oooh... just wait 'til he gets my bill! I'm gonna demand an entire library for this one! May the fleas of a thousand prairie dogs infest his fur! May he... Whoops, here comes one!* The SWATbot with the big shotgun dismounted from the hovercycle, and started circling around it, searching the area in an ever widening pattern. *They must have spotted me, or they wouldn't have landed and started a search. But they're not certain where I am. That gives me a chance. Not much, but it's better than nothing. Better let the Swat come to me.* He could hear the clanking of the SWATbot's joints as it approached his hiding place. *Heh. It's joints sound even noisier than mine. Guess it could use a little oil. Well, so could mine. It's almost here. Get ready... Get set... * he thought. Then something happened. A huge black raven swooped out of the sky, pecking at the Swat's eyes. The SWATbot raised it's shotgun and turned to fire at the attacking bird. *HEY! It's back is to me!* This thought flashed through his mind as he leaped from under the tarp, gripping his cane with both paws. One claw touched a stud hidden among the carvings that decorated it. A twelve inch long steel spike with razor sharp edges shot out from the base of the staff. He jumped up behind the Swat, swinging his cane overhead, like the short spear that it had become. A heartbeat later, the Swat had a full foot of blade buried through the back of it's head. Kickaha looked down at the dead 'bot. *I really must remember to thank the Timber Wolf tribe for this cane. And compliment them on the quality of the steel they make. They _said_ it would cut right through a SWATbot. And they were right.* Pulling his cane out of the swat's head, he pressed the stud again, retracting the blade. He took note of the weapon the 'bot had dropped when he had spiked it. *Humph. Be a cryin' shame to let a perfectly good shotgun like this go to waste.* He picked it up, and unbuckled the belt full of extra ammo clips the 'bot had around it's chest. He slung the ammo belt over one shoulder, and checked the weapon. *Hey, HEY, hey! There's a round chambered, the clip's full, and the safety's... off. Whoa! Lucky for me it didn't go off when it hit the ground. Thank the Great Spirit for grip safeties. And the selector switch's set to full auto. Stupid 'bot.* He reset it to single shot. *Guess they just don't program SWATbots like they used to. Now to go 'bot hunting!* He dropped his pack to the ground. The raven who'd saved his life hopped over to it, and pecked at it. "Quiet, bird!" he whispered. "Do ya want that other 'bot ta blow yer head off?" He slipped into the tall grass on the bank of the creek, circling in the opposite direction from the defunct SWATbot. Moving slowly, cautiously, he spotted the remaining swat waiting with robotic patience on the cycle. *Can you say `Dead Meat', Mr. Swatbot? Good. I knew you could!* He stepped out of the concealing grass with the shotgun raised. The 'bot on the cycle whirled around when it sensed his approach. But not fast enough. Kickaha pulled the trigger three times. The slugs hammered the swat's chest in, knocking it backwards over the seat of the hovercycle. When it tried feebly to rise, he let it have four more rounds. These shots ripped completely through the 'bot's body shattering it's chest, and tearing the 'bot apart. "Hey, HEY, hey! Looks like I can _ride_ the rest of the way to the Great Forest. Finally, a little good luck, for a change!" he gloated. He walked forward to dump the second swat's body from the seat. Suddenly, he heard a hissing, crackling noise coming from it's corpse. "Oh, crud! Not again!" he growled, dropping to the ground, and rolling quickly into the nearby creek. ! ! ! B O O O O M ! ! ! The SWATbot, and it's hovercycle, exploded in a fireball of destruction. When the flames died down, there was nothing left but a few small pieces of metal, a lot of ashes, and a small crater near the banks of the creek. Edward crawled out of the small creek, covered in water weeds and mud, his fur soaking wet. He still gripped his cane and the SWATbot's shotgun, though. _Kickaha's_ shotgun, now. He bent painfully, and fished the ammo belt from the bottom of the stream. He turned toward the smoking crater, and gave it a dirty look. "Damn! Must have hit the power supply. Or a booby trap. Guess it's still the old Leather Personel Carrier for me. Well, no use crying over spilled oil. At least I came out of this with more than I came in with. This shotgun's gonna be pretty useful if I run into more SWATbots. Speakin' o' which, gotta grab my gear and get going. If that blast didn't get the attention of every SWATbot within ten miles, then I'm Snivley's brother-in-law!" He shook the water and mud from his fur as best he could, and headed towards his backpack. "I _hate_ walking, I do, I really, really do." he muttered. "Well, that's not true. I _like_ walking. It's the back pain that I really _HATE_!" When he got to the spot where he'd left his pack, he saw the large black raven was still there, perched on top of it. "Hey, guy! Thanks for the help, but I gotta run now. And so should you. Pretty soon, this place is gonna be hip-deep in SWATbots." He reached for the pack, folding up the camo tarp and stuffing it inside. He turned to say goodbye to the raven, but when he saw what was happening to the bird, he couldn't get out a single word. The bird's body was blurring, stretching, and changing. A golden light surrounded it. It grew larger. Before Kickaha stood a four-legged coyote, as large as a small pony. Then it changed again. From four legs, it went to two. It's fur peeled back. It was as if a human was crawling out of a cocoon of coyote skin. When it was done, a man stood there, wearing what seemed to be a coyote-skin headdress, complete with the coyote's head. He smirked at Ed. "The Cheyenne call me Wihio, the Sioux, Iktome. The Blackfeet call me Napi Old Man. The Cree call me Saultaux, the Micmac, Glooscap. I am the Great Hare on the East Coast and Raven on the West. But you can just call me..." "...Old Man Coyote! What are you doing here?! I'm already _doing_ what you asked!" Edward growled angrily. "You didn't need to check up on me! I keep my word and pay my debts, Old Man. You _know_ that." "I'm not checking up, I'm apologizing." "... huh ...?" "Those swatbots were my fault. I knew you were still having trouble walking. So, I decoyed one here so you could count coup, and take his hovercycle. But two showed up, instead. Two swatbots again one coyote with a bad back is unfair odds, so I lent a hand. But I didn't plan on the cycle exploding." "Oh. Heh! Well, neither did it! I'm not hurt, I counted two 'bots, and I've taken trophy from one." He held up the shotgun and ammo belt. "I've lived with the pain before, and it hasn't stopped me yet. So, I might as well get a move on. There's a Great Plain to cross before I can reach Knothole and find Davey Crockett." Kickaha shrugged, picked up his pack, slung the shotgun and turned to go. "But it's nice to know you still care... Grandfather." He trudged off towards the Great Forest, cane in paw. Coyote watched him go. Kickaha was almost out of sight, when Old Man Coyote left. He blurred into the form of a large black crow. And as it flew away, the wind whispered... "Take care of yourself... Grandson." To Be Continued... ----------------------------------- Now for the legal stuff. Princess Sally, Knothole, et cetera, Copyright by Sega. Davey Crockett & the Wild Pack Copyright by David Gonterman Kickaha & Timber Wolf tribe Copyright by Edward Becerra Coyote is a spirit of the native peoples of the Americas. Please respect him as you would your own beliefs. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 23 01:21:31 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA21912 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:33:37 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA21907 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:33:34 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA04208 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:32:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:32:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199601230632.XAA04208@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Want to talk.... To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ok, I have way to much time on my hands right now so I'm writing this to sort of talk and get a few questions awnsered. 40 Freedom Fighter Groups!!!! (in the comic and our own)....I never knew there were so many. Robotnik has a lot against him doesn't he? If I were him, I'd have given up a long time ago and nuked the Great Forest and be done with it. (Then I would nuke the rest of the world to be on the safe side) Is it me, or are Stealthbots unreliable? Anyone could work wonders with them but Robotnik hardly uses them. Mass an army of them and as stated above, nuke the world. (Ok, it's not that realistic, but it would be fun!) Last comment/question: Will someone give me comments, suggestions, at least something on my RPG? I would like to perfect it before Ratman gets a copy of it. I know you probably don't have much time (or mabye you do) on you hands, but it only takes a minute (err...hour or two) to play a game. But that really isn't why I'm here, so I'll shut up. Thanks, Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 23 13:29:45 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA03722 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:43:14 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA03717 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:43:06 -0500 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA28097 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:40:21 -0600 Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id KAA07216; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:37:30 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:37:28 -0600 (CST) From: James Firmiss To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. In-Reply-To: <199512202039.WAA13437@lin01.global.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Simon Howes wrote: > >No, this doesn't sound like a stupid question. If anything, it sounds > >like one of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons! In fact, wasn't there a > >Rescue Rangers cartoon involving alien cows from the planet Larson on > >the far side of the universe? But I'm getting off topic.... > > > >Come to think of it, who's to say that Sonic hasn't been scarfing > >all-beef chili dogs the whole time? Or is that prospect too > >"disgustipatin'", to quote Popeye? > > That's one thing you don't see in the comics, or toons. I betcha the > producers had you all believing that Sonic, Sally, Tails, Rotor and Bunnie > are herbivores, and so peacefull they "live in peace with the world bla > bla.. can't kill etc.." > > The answer to this is.. It's a lie! It's all a pack of lies! Lies I tell you > hahahaah! They are all bipedal sentients, and even if they weren't Tails, > and Rotor would still need meat. Foxes ya know are all carnivourous. > Besides those chili dogs have to have some meat in them, yeah, yeah I know > these cheap hamburger places get away with putting more soya bean in the > patti's than meat.. but there still is meat! > > Now think of the sweet characters you love, imagine say.. Sally for > example.. getting a chicken and the big axey.. > > ARGHH! Coder Quality Nightmares of me being a chicken, and my reflection in > her phongy nose, and refractive eyes, as she lives the blade. NOOOOOOOO! > > Maybe this would be a cool idea for my story? Robotnik plans a new method of > destroying the freedom fighters by evoluting all non-sentient animals. The > animals then go full out PC, and sue dear Sonic. Crap cakes, this is > beginning to sound like that godsdamned syndicated series. > > > "Unable to download coffie, Caco-Demon in Mug outlet port." > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* > | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | > | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | > |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | > |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | > |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* > > > > From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 23 14:19:42 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA11290 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:01:57 -0500 Received: from serv0.cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.4.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA11285 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 13:01:55 -0500 Received: from sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (sun-5.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.69.181]) by serv0.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.12 CAE/8.6.10) with ESMTP id MAA06747 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:01:51 -0600 Received: (firmiss@localhost) by sun-5.cae.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.9) id KAA07263; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:49:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:49:21 -0600 (CST) From: James Firmiss To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: AIEE! Ignore Last Message from me (Stupid Mail Program) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I was trying to clean out old mail (and old cancelled 'attempts' at mailing) and accidently sent that month-old letter to the list. I could go on to describe exactly what and why but its just not worth the bother. By the way.... Anyone get Sonic #33 yet (I think its 33... it could be 32... its the one with Sonic being attacked by slimy stuff on the cover?) I got my copy about a week ago from the comic shop and haven't heard anyone talk about it yet. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 23 20:58:04 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA07222 for sonic-ll; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:50:28 -0500 Received: from mail (canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA07217 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:50:19 -0500 Received: from nb1-2.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tesSm-000D2iC; Tue, 23 Jan 96 18:49 EST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 18:49 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_822448190==_" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Second Chance. X-Attachments: C:\TEMP\SECON.TXT; Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net --=====================_822448190==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well here is a new short story where MechTail left off. Hope you enjoy it. --=====================_822448190==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="SECON.TXT" SECOND CHANCE A Sonic The Hedgehog Story By butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) This story is protected by copyright laws. Feel free to distribute this story, but the author does not allow any unauthorized alteration of the story or distribution for profit. All characters depicted herein are the creation and property of Service and Games (SEGA) and/or Archie Publications and/or DiC. Now that I got that out of the way. Time to start the story. Yes right where the story MECHTAIL left off. I have fixed up all the mistakes I could find, but there is a chance I missed some. I'm getting better at this, really. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A gray squirrel can be seen laying down next to a tree, he is warring a brown jacket. "Ohh my head where am I?" The squirrel sat up. "Man I have a headache this big a is screaming for aspirin." He scratched his head. "What fur?" The squirrel look at his paw and sreached out his fingers. "How? I was metal and now flesh." The squirrel pulled on some fur on his leg. "Ouch I'm not dreaming." He stood up smiling. "Yes! I'm Back!" The squirrel looked at him self. "Well more or less I am." He then ran around and jumped here and there. "Boy I have missed feeling alive. How did this happen? It's as if some one has given me another chance at life." He looked around "Where to now? The sun sets in the west I think, and rises in the east. He looked at the sky. "Or is it the other way around on this planet." The squirrel shook his head. "I have been on here too long." He said as he walked away into the great forest. Two weeks later. "Face it MechTail your lost." He look around. "I'm back to where I started. Where's a map when you need one?" The squirrel pulled out some nuts and berries from his pockets. "Man where's a McDonalds when you need one. I'm getting sick of eating nuts." He ate what he had and sat down. *\Oh boy what now. Maybe some one around here can point me in the right direction." "FREEZE FREEDOM FIGHTER!" He looked around but no Swatbots. Some blasters can be heard from a distance. "HELP!" MechTail jumped up an ran towards the noise. He poked his head through the bushes and saw a young male hedgehog being dragged by a Swatbot. *\I've got to do something but what?\* MechTail made up it's mind and jumped out in front of the Swatbots. "LET HIM GO!" He yelled. The Swatbots turned to face the Squirrel. "SURRENDER FREEDOM FIGHTER!" "I don't think so!" Mechtail said as he lunged forward. One Swatbot fired, Mechtail jumped out of the way. Then he made another run at the Swatbots. Again a Swatbot fired just missed his head. Mechtail attacked the closest bot he could see, he ran towards the bot and tried to ram it. 'TANG' "OUCH!" The bot landed on its but. Mechtail landed face first on the ground. He sat up holding his right shoulder. "You stupid. I'm not metal anymore." The Swatbot got up and grabbed Mechtail, but grabbed his hurt shoulder. "AAAAAA! THAT HURTS! LET ME GOOOO!" The squirrel's eyes started glowing, it was a golden glow that became brighter. Mechtail's voice changed, it be came deeper. "I SAID LET ME GO!" The Swatbot holding Mechtail exploded into pieces. The squirrel's paws started glowing also. Energy from his body flowed into his hands. Mechtail stood up looking at the bots with rage. The Swatbots fired. The beams hit him and he fell to the ground, then he stood up again. The beams have been azorbed and the energy channeled back into his hands. Energy surged through out MechTail's body as he raised his hand almost instinctively. A blast of energy flowed out of MechTail's hands and blasted the hole group of bot's into shrapnel. Only one Swatbot remained, the bot was guarding the small hedgehog. Mechtail turned towards the Swatbot and walk towards it. The small hedgehog could see that the tall squirrel with glowing eyes was headed towards him, he was struck with fear. The Swatbot grabbed his laser rifle and fired at Mechtail, no effect he keep coming closer and closer. I looked like a seen from T2. The hedgehog started yelling. The Swatbot fired again. Mechtail walked up to the Swatbot and touched it. "Tag your it!." The Swatbot shorted out and fell dead on the ground. The hedgehog whimpered. "Da. ..da don't hurt me." Mechtail stopped his eyes changed back to normal. He was silent for a moment, he was trying to understand what just happened. He then looked around at the picese of Swatbot's scatered around the feild. He then looked at the trembling hedgehog who was covering his eyes. "It's ok now the danger has passed." MechTail said. The hedgehog opened his eyes and looked at the squirrel smiling at him. "You.. your eyes they glowed and you blasted the bots with your paws, I..I thought you where going to blast me." Mechtail looked at the hedgehog. "I would never do a thing like that. Now go home before any more Swats show up." The hedgehog jumped out of the hover craft and ran into the bush. Mechtail was alone again. He looked around at the trashed bots. "Now how did I do that?" He then looked at his paws. */It has to be a side effect of the roboticizer, when it exploded.\* Mechtail had a bit of a smile on his face. He then looked at the hover craft and walked into it. "Now where is that navigation panel?" Mechtail looked at the controls. "A ha." He pushed some buttons and the computer came to life. "COMPUTER BRING UP A MAP OF THE GREAT FOREST AND PRINT OUT A HARD COPY." The computer spoke back. "Require access code?" Mechtail look at the keyboard, and thought for a minute. "Hmm.... Oh yes I remember now." 'TAP, TAP, TAP, TAP' "Access granted." */It's a good thing they haven't changed it yet.\* The computer printed out a very big map. He looked it over there was still allot of unmarked spots on in. "Hmmm must be allot of rough terrain." Mechtail folded the map the best he could and shoved into his jacket. He then ran out of the hover craft and stopped a distance away. He then turned around, then looked at his hands and consecrated. His eyes started glowing again as he lifted his hands and aimed them at the craft. A burst of energy engulfed it, the hover craft exploded. Mechtail smiled as he turned around and walked back into the great forest. "LOOK OUT PAC MAN I'M BACK!" The End. --=====================_822448190==_-- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 24 14:17:34 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA14598 for sonic-ll; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:49:18 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA14589 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:49:14 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA21941; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:49:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: Post Sonic Subject: Forwarded mail.... Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net This is a copy of a direct mail message I received. I do not have any information on how to tune into the Sonic cartoons using a satellite service. If you can help, please send mail directly to al561184@campus.leo.itesm.mx or sonic@rat.org. This person is not presently a list subscriber and will not be able to see replies posted to the list. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:00:46 -0600 (CST) From: SERRANO B. JAVIER A. To: sonic@rat.org At what time and in what satellite tv channel does the sonic show airs. I look for it in T1/21 and there was nothing at 7 am. I heard that the show was cancelled, is that true? if not could you tell me where I can find the feed? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 24 19:54:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA16703 for sonic-ll; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:37:09 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA16688 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 18:36:59 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11440 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:36:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:36:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199601250036.RAA11440@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Anyone out there? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I have to ask...where is everyone? Nomad (the guy with too much time on his hands) BTW: I don't think they should compaire the Sonic world to Earth in the comics, it takes away from the enjoyment. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 02:20:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA16306 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 01:32:45 -0500 Received: from shadow.genesis.org (root@genesis.org.131.204.in-addr.arpa [204.131.80.65]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA16301 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 01:32:40 -0500 Received: (from edward@localhost) by shadow.genesis.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04613; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:20:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:20:39 -0700 (MST) From: Edward Becerra To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Who says you can't make hot dogs out of fish? All the hot dogs that Sonic scarfs down could be made of ground fish meal, flavored to taste like beef. Or are the fish of Mobius non-sentient? I know the dolphins, walses and some others are sentient, but what about the common fish? (like, say, the tuna fish?) That could be where all the meat is coming from. (Interesting thought, here.) Anybody else got any ideas about this? Ed Becerra P.S. Anybody read my "Visions in the Wind" yet? Looking for some feedback. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 02:31:20 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA16320 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 01:33:16 -0500 Received: from shadow.genesis.org (root@genesis.org.131.204.in-addr.arpa [204.131.80.65]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA16315 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 01:33:10 -0500 Received: (from edward@localhost) by shadow.genesis.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04627; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:40:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:40:43 -0700 (MST) From: Edward Becerra To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Want to talk.... In-Reply-To: <199601230632.XAA04208@hp9000.eita8net.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Mon, 22 Jan 1996 hoch@eita8net.com wrote: > Ok, I have way to much time on my hands right now so I'm writing this to > sort of talk and get a few questions awnsered. > 40 Freedom Fighter Groups!!!! (in the comic and our own)....I never knew > there were so many. Robotnik has a lot against him doesn't he? If I were him, > I'd have given up a long time ago and nuked the Great Forest and be done with > it. (Then I would nuke the rest of the world to be on the safe side) Who would want to like on a ball of radioactive mud? I've seen the results you get, trying something like that. [MILITARY CLASSIFIED MATERIAL CENSORED HERE] I don't think even Robotnik is _THAT_ stupid. > Is it me, or are Stealthbots unreliable? Anyone could work wonders with > them but Robotnik hardly uses them. Mass an army of them and as stated above, > nuke the world. (Ok, it's not that realistic, but it would be fun!) Yeah, I'll buy this. But when you mass an army of mechs, you got a support and supply problem that just won't quit. Believe me, I've seen that as well. [MORE MILITARY CENSORSHIP HERE] Uhhh, sorry about the censorship, folks. It isn't a joke. There are _still_ a few things I'm not supposed to talk about, now that I'm out of the military. Anyway, Robotnik, Snivley & Co. seem to have a fair regard for their own skin. Otherwise, they'd have started in on some of the more _exotic_ methods of warefare know to exist. Nukes, chemicals, bio-warfare (ugh!), kinetic energy weapons, you name it. Biowarfare would seem especially useful when you're fighting a different race altogether! After all, any biologist/genetic engineer worth his salt would find it dead easy to come up with a new disease that avoided humans, but struck down other animals. There are plenty of species-specific plagues out there. The problem with this, is that you get into the whole total war concept. Dangerous. Gets people _REALLY_ pissed. Just ask the Nazi's. Even _they_ were afraid of trying this for fear of retaliation. It's all too easy to get out of control on _both_ sides. Result? One _dead_ and _sterile_ planet. No good to either side. (that's assuming anyone's still left alive to be called the winner!) Trust me. This is something I'm _ALL_ too familiar with. You _really_ don't want my nightmares, folks. So I have to say that barring Robotnik/Snivley losing it completely, such weapons will likely remain unused. (Can you say `Balance of Terror', children? Good. I knew you could.) Guess that's all for now. Thanks for listening.... Fortuna bless and keep you..... Ed Becerra From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 09:37:39 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA15201 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:05:30 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA15196 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:05:26 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25811; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:05:21 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id JAA16282; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:05:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199601251405.JAA16282@edmund> Subject: Re: Want to talk.... To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:05:20 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Edward Becerra" at Jan 24, 96 01:40:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ed, Pretty serious post there. You're my kind of fan! You have to figure someone like Robotnik has enough gray matter, however corrupt, to avoid any long-term mass destruction. Then again, he also seems like the kind of guy who, with his back to the wall, just might torch an entire planet out of spite. For as long as the show ran (and the comic runs), the two sides seem to be holding each other in check. To flip the strategic question, the byword for Knothole operations seems to be "surgical precision." OK, that's two words, but you get my drift. Sally doesn't seem to go in for the Massive Assault(tm) when strategic crippling of Robotnik's infrastructure will do just as well. What would happen if that were to ever change? Kanterovich & Penders hinted at it in the beginning of "Night Of A Thousand Sonics" [Sonic #19]. The alternative Mobius described by the Borg Sonic (with more than a faint bow to the Terminator movies) would require a bit more firepower and a bit more crank on the part of the resistance. On THAT Mobius, I could picture "Life During Wartime" by Talking Heads as part of the soundtrack. Just my $.02: ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 10:23:01 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA16261 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:32:49 -0500 Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com ([199.182.120.11]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA16256 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:32:47 -0500 Received: from Miles' World by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA03536; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:32:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 06:32:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199601251432.GAA03536@ix11.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: danramos@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Dan Ramos Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 05:36 PM 1/24/96 -0700, you wrote: > I have to ask...where is everyone? > > Nomad > (the guy with too much time on his hands) > > BTW: I don't think they should compaire the Sonic world to Earth in the >comics, it takes away from the enjoyment. > Everyone probably went out to get more Sonic merchandise. :) hehe For some reason, I'm starting to see Sonic on more stuff. :P From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 13:30:08 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA03244 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:08:28 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA03236 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:08:25 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13889 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:07:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:07:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199601251907.MAA13889@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re: Anybody out there? To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > For some reason, I'm starting to see Sonic on more stuff. > :P I know, wierd isn't it? (mabye they've come to thier senses!) :) Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 14:09:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA04134 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:28:49 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk ([146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id FAA00643 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 05:00:49 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16745 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:08:30 GMT Received: (from bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02489; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:08:28 GMT Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:08:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Subject: Re-Fish, and Kickaha Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net You rasied a Good point there, What are the Hot-dogs Sonic eats made of???? Are Cows on Mobius non sentent, or mabey theres a group of the who arnt.... Or as Ed Said it could be Fish..... BTW Loved the Vision in the Wind, and The Spirit quest storys.....Keep it up Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ???Riddle me this, What type of man has BATS on his Brain??? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 14:41:46 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA03646 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:17:29 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA03641 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:17:25 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id FAA28312 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 05:17:08 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01921; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 23:58:47 +1100 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 23:58:47 +1100 Message-Id: <199601251258.XAA01921@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au In-reply-to: edward@genesis.org's message of 25 Jan 1996 23:09:03 +1100 Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. References: Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Edward Becerra, > I know the dolphins, walses and some others are sentient, but what > about the common fish? (like, say, the tuna fish?) That could be > where all the meat is coming from. (Interesting thought, here.) > Anybody else got any ideas about this? ==> Tofu Chili Dogs. I've tried them.. (although I prefer to drown mine in mustard instead of chili :) -- Vegetarian Chris,, From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Jan 25 16:16:26 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA13022 for sonic-ll; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:37:46 -0500 Received: from nic.data.net.mx (nic.data.net.mx [200.13.16.8]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id PAA13013 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:37:42 -0500 Received: from ts53.data.net.mx (ts53.data.net.mx [200.13.16.92]) by nic.data.net.mx (8.6.12/CN-CONFIG-0.3) with SMTP id OAA02771 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:36:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:36:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199601252036.OAA02771@nic.data.net.mx> X-Sender: alexmon1@mailer.data.net.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Subject: A stupid answer for a stupid question Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi there pals! I was watching the childish Sonic tv series and I discovered on a chapter that there is a cow.So Sonic eats beef meat on the chili-dogs.If you check the chapter Momma Robotnik returns you will see a cow on the beginning.Well this is my stupid answer. Bye! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Fri Jan 26 14:33:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id OAA16114 for sonic-ll; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:01:49 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA16102 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:01:46 -0500 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (rotor@usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA25690 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:01:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05330; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:01:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:01:42 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: Sonic Mailing List Subject: New Stories Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The following stories are now available on my web page and in Ratman's FTP site: By Ryan Huber: The Other Side By Pat Carson: Seeing Stars By Joseph DeLaCroix: Awakenings By Don Weatherwax: Tail By Thaddeus Boyd: The Hunt By Robert Haynie: Other Sonics FANFIC FACT (try saying that 3x fast): Every now and again you see Bookshire or Rotor or somebody using Cryptosmasher software. I was the first author to use it and others have followed. So where did I get the idea? From the John Hughes Movie 'Weird Science'. In it, the two guys use Cryptosmasher to break into a company mainframe. Keep reading and long live Sonic the Hedgehog! +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 27 07:47:58 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA22268 for sonic-ll; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:28:17 -0500 Received: from lin01.global.co.za (root@lin01.global.co.za [196.3.164.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA22251 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:27:51 -0500 Received: from anx_3.global.co.za (anx_3.global.co.za [196.3.164.53]) by lin01.global.co.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA26387 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:28:21 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:28:21 GMT Message-Id: <199601271428.OAA26387@lin01.global.co.za> X-Sender: ablater@lin01.global.co.za X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Subject: Great Unknown Too boring to explore. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hiya all, Another mystery.. Why hasn't the great unknown been explored?=20 * They had space age technology before the take over. * They'd been around with high technology for a good while.(+500 years at= least) My guesses are these: In the one story of "Postcards from Mobius", Dulcy exclaims that the Great Unknown was extremely boring and that was probably why it had never been explored. It's a possibility.. Perhaps the war kept anyone from going out into the great unknown. (The danger of being blown to little floating pieces of carbon) Of course, before the war, there might have been the danger of ending up as a dragons snack. (Dragons as they would be the best equipted for moving in/over the area) Perhaps the are is avoided because of Myths? Yes, even with all their technology, they seem to have some religion or something that keeps them happy. (Look at 'Garden City', and remember that it's level N technology.. then look at Robotropolis.. and know that that's also level N.) So, perhaps the same religon/morals/ideals that kept home tidy, kept them out of the Unknown. ----- Just a quick tip: If you want the Sonic intro avi to start up every time you run Windows, edit win.ini and in the 'run=3D' part towards the top of the= file put the path and name of the AVI. For example: run =3Dc:\avi\sonintro.avi If you want it full screen, then from mediaplayer.. load an avi and select Configure. Select 2X, select Fullscreen. Then click -- Set Default Check my home page. ----- Cheers :) *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | SS SSSSS. S SS SSS.SSS SSSS SSSS | "EARTH! MINE! MINE!!! | | S S S S S S S S S S S | ALL MINE! Now to make | |SSSSSS SSSSS. S SSSSSS S SSSS SSSSS=B7 | those foolish humans= | |S S S S S S S S S S S | pay for their | |S S SSSSS. =B7SSSS S S S SSSS S S | resistance...." = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \ Simon Howes -- Code/GFX/Sambucca/Violence/Furries/Sci-Fi/Fantasy / --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Now building> http://home.global.co.za/~ablater < From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 27 15:32:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA18172 for sonic-ll; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:03:38 -0500 Received: from hp9000.eita8net.com (root@hp9000.eita8net.com [198.53.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA18165 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:03:28 -0500 Received: from 198.53.24.164 ([198.53.24.164]) by hp9000.eita8net.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22332 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:02:50 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:02:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199601272102.OAA22332@hp9000.eita8net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: hoch@eita8net.com Subject: Re: Great Unknown Too boring to explore To: sonic@bort.mv.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Good points, but it could also be that 'The Great Unknown' is just a name and it could have been explored before. (mabye the records were lost????) Also, some weird thing that could only be explained in a Sci-Fi show blocks all forms of exploration equipment. Nomad From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sat Jan 27 16:20:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA18865 for sonic-ll; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:35:58 -0500 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA18859 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:35:55 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA11407 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:34:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:34:59 -0500 Message-ID: <960127153459_305423708@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Anyone out there? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In a message dated 96-01-25 10:47:28 EST, you write: >For some reason, I'm starting to see Sonic on more stuff. :P > > Yeah! Even on Pasta!!! PASTA!!! You phracking dolts!!! Don't you know that Sonic's favorite food's the CHILI DOG?!?!?! David G. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 28 01:30:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA18723 for sonic-ll; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:59:15 -0500 Received: from shadow.genesis.org (root@genesis.org.131.204.in-addr.arpa [204.131.80.65]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA18703 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:59:01 -0500 Received: (from edward@localhost) by shadow.genesis.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA08967; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:03:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:03:14 -0700 (MST) From: Edward Becerra To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Visions in the Wind part 4 [Fanfic] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Here's part 4 of this fan fic. I hope you enjoy reading it as mush as I enjoyed writing it. Fortuna bless and keep you all..... Edward Becerra (and Kickaha) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Visions in the Wind: Transitions by Ed Becerra ----------------------------------- Kickaha woke with a start. *Whaaa..., Oh! I must have fallen asleep in Davey's chair. I never realized what a blessing it would be to have the pain taken from me. I've got to find some way to thank Sonia Hedgehog. I've lived with this stupid back for so long, I'd forgotten what life was like without the pain. I owe her a lot. Hmm... Gotta think of something nice to do for her.* He reached down for his cane. "I should take a walk and stretch, before I get stiff again. Besides, I wanna see what Knothole looks like. Seems like a pretty place. I should get to know it better. If Old Man is right, I'm going to be here for some time. Guess it's going to be my home, for a while." He walked out the door, carefully shutting it behind him. *I'm Davey's guest. Behoves me to be thoughtful.* The late day sun shone brightly, reminding Kickaha of his native prairie. He felt a little homesick. All those trees, so close together! And the grass. It was green, not the proper brown buffalo grass of home. Nor was it nearly tall enough. He looked around. Not a yucca plant or prickly pear cactus to be seen. He sighed. "This had better be worth it, Old Man. You know I don't belong here. Ain't natural. I belong to the Rockies and the Plains. Coyotes just ain't made for civilization." He wandered around Knothole, greeting the inhabitants, and learning the village layout. As he drifted through the streets, he happened to pass by Princess Sally's place. "Hello, Kickaha!" "Oh, hello, Princess! I didn't see you there. Is there anything I can do for you?" Kickaha asked. "Not right now. But there IS something we can do for you. We're getting together some volunteers to put up a hut for you. I know you're having trouble with your back right now, so you don't have to join in, if you don't want to." Sally smiled at him. But she didn't get the response she expected. Kickaha was shaking his head frantically. "Aahhhh... No, no, no thank you, Princess. Don't put yourself out. I'll find someplace in the forest to den up in. Don't trouble yourself. No problem. Don't really need a hut. Everything's okay. Really. Yeah. Don't need a hut..." All of this was coming out at a high-speed babble that surprised Sally. Kickaha was backing away from her as though he'd just seen Robotnik rise from the grave. Suddenly, he turned and ran. She could see from his awkward stride how it hurt him to run that quickly. But why was he running? And from what? She watched as he stopped just inside the edge of the forest, and leaned against a tree, propped up by his cane, panting. Something was wrong here, she thought. But what? It didn't seem like a case of Outsider mood. At least, not one she was familiar with. He seemed... afraid. But of a hut? She turned to look for Nicole. Perhaps the computer might have the answers she needed. *** At the edge of the forest... "A-huh, a-huh, a-huh..." panted Kickaha. *Oh, yeah* he thought, *behave like some savage from the wilderness. Smooth move, stupid.* He shuddered, and sat down suddenly at the base of the tree. *Oh, Fortuna, I didn't think it would hit me that quickly! What am I going to do? What am I going to tell them? That I _can't_ live inside Knothole? They'll think me ungrateful. Or even a spy for Snively. I don't know what to do! Help me, Great Spirit!* His breathing eased, and his panic subsided, but his worry remained. *** At Princess Sally's hut... A cute girl bobcat was speaking with Sally. "There's not a great deal in the database about the Wild Pack tribes, Princess, and what is there dates from before the Great War and Robotnik's coup. What I have found does seem to answer your question, however. You said he seemed to panic when you mentioned putting up a hut for him?" "That's right," answered Sally. "Until then, he seemed all right. But when I brought up the matter of the hut, he began to shiver, then ran into the forest. He stopped running once he reached the edge, though. The last I saw of him, he was sitting beneath a tree, shaking violently." "... Demophobia ..." said Nicole. "What's that?" "An unreasoning fear of being surrounded by crowds of people. It seems that the coyote tribes share a great deal with their unevolved kin. Like them, the coyote people form loose, widely spread family groups, with only a few in each pack. They prefer to live underground, in burrows dug into the sides of small hills. And they feel extremely uncomfortable when surrounded by large numbers of people. In many cases, as time passes, this feeling becomes demophobia. In fact, many coyotes become hermits." Nicole blinked. "From your description, Princess, I'd say he's having an unusually strong reaction to the number of people living in Knothole." "Is there anything we can do to help him?" asked Sally. "Well, moving him as close as possible to the edge of the village would help. The fewer the people near to him, the better. And we should try to make him feel at home. The unfamiliar setting of Knothole is probably what triggered his panic attack. The Great Forest looks nothing like the High Prairies that were his home. There is very little here that would seem familiar to him." Nicole told her. "Familiar settings. Hmm... Nicole, you wouldn't happen to have any pictures of what a typical coyote burrow looks like? Or any descriptions of them?" "Checking... There are several descriptions, and a few sketches of a traditional coyote lodge that were made by a researcher from the University of Mobotropolis before the Great War. The paper he wrote contains them, along with brief descriptions of how it was furnished and what living in one was like." Nicole looked at Sally. "They are somewhat dated. But they are the best I can come up with." "Good. They'll do. Print out several copies. I've got to go speak with Rotor. I think I have a solution to this." Sally turned and headed to Rotor's workshop. "When you've got the copies made, bring them to me. I'll be at Rotor's place. And see if Dulcy's available. I'd like to talk with her." *** An hour later, a nervous coyote wandered back into Knothole, headed for Davey Crockett's hut. *Maybe if I get a good night's sleep, I can deal with this. But I really dread the thought of having to explain things to Princess Sally. She's gonna think I'm the most ungrateful cur since... since... Fortuna! I can't _think_ of anyone that ungrateful!* As he walked toward the hut, Bear caught up with him. "Hey there, Kickaha! How are you? Feeling any better? Sally said you were having a few problems settling in. Nothing serious, I hope." "Uh.. Yeah.. Right.. Nothing serious. Just a little nervous, a new setting, far away from home, all that stuff. Yeah. That's it. No big deal." Kickaha chattered. Bear could see how nervous the coyote seemed. Maybe... Yes. He touched the coyote on the shoulder. "Don't worry about it. Besides, I hear Princess Sally has something she wants to show you tomorrow morning. I understand that your folk are nocturnal, so you might want to get some rest. Sunrise comes pretty early in the morning around here." "All right. You're right. I need sleep. Yeah. That's the ticket. Sleep. Good idea. Good night." Despite his fur and the warmth of the evening, Kickaha was shivering. He went inside the hut and went straight to bed. Bear turned toward his own hut. *He's having a hard time with this. If there ever was a born hermit, he's one. I hope Sally's idea works. Otherwise, his only hope is to live out in the forest, like Sandra Nightweaver.* *** As the morning sun shone through the windows of Davey's hut, it lit up the cot Kickaha lay upon. The coyote wasn't sleeping easily. He was twitching and growling in his sleep. Every now and then, he let out a small snarl. Davey noticed this, but thought it best to leave him be for the moment. *I'll just let him sleep for now. If he doesn't wake up before breakfast is over, then I'll get him up myself. I wouldn't want him to miss Sally's surprise.* After eating, Davey headed back to his hut, carrying a tray of food for Kickaha. He set it down on a table, and looked over at the cot. He was still asleep, and still dreaming. Davey went to shake him by the shoulder. To his surprise, he was almost bitten for his trouble. Kickaha snarled and snapped at him without even opening his eyes. "RAAAGGGHHH!! YOU BAST... Oh, Fortuna! Oh, David! I'm sorry! So sorry! I thought... I didn't realize... oh, crud." Kickaha put a paw to his head. He had a mortified expression on his face. "Ah, gods, I'm so sorry." "Bad dreams, huh? Ah been there myself, once or twice. Must be pretty bad if you wake up in a kill-without-warning kinda mood. Wanna talk about it sometime? It can help, to have a friend to share the load." Davey smiled at him. "I've had good friends here help me get through my problems. They can help you, too." "I don't know if I have that right, David. I don't want to lay my guilt on anyone. No one deserves that." Kickaha was silent for a moment. A look of ancient sorrow crossed his face. "No one but me." "Hey now, Kicker! Ah thought I was the one carrying around all the blame around here. After all, Sally's been constantly telling me nobody blames me for being a Kintobor. Quit tryin' ta hog all the guilt, guy." Davey put a paw on Kickaha's shoulder. "These are good folk, here. They'll help you if you let them. Now eat some breakfast. I got a surprise to show you when you're done." "What's that? A hut?" Kickaha started to shiver slightly. "I don't need a hut, I really don't, I can live out in the forest..." He'd begun to chatter again. "Naw, no hut. Something different. It wouldn't be a surprise if I told what it was, now would it? You just eat up. Don't want to keep Princess Sally waiting, do ya?" David pushed him over to the table and sat him down in front of the breakfast tray. "Besides, Nicole told us 'bout your `problem'. Seems it's a coyote kind of thing. Don't worry about it. We can handle it together. Now EAT, already!" *** Breakfast had been finished, and Kickaha and David were walking toward the Power Ring Pool. Kickaha was becoming more curious by the second. As they'd walked, he noted that Knothole seemed rather quiet. He hadn't seen anyone in the streets. Something was going on, but what? When they reached the pool, David turned off towards a small trail that led off through the underbrush on the far side of the small pool. "Come on, Kicker. It's this way." "What's this way?! Come on, Dave! If you leave me hanging like this for much longer, I swear I'm gonna sneak up on you tonight and super-glue your mechanical arm to your cot! I KNOW where you live. I KNOW where you sleep. AND I know where I can get a few thousand Nerf bricks, real cheap!" Kickaha threatened. Davey laughed at that. Kickaha wasn't feeling as nasty as he sounded, though. The further they got into the forest around Knothole, the better he felt. He knew why, too. *It may not be the High Prairie, but at least there aren't many people here. It's quiet and lonely, just like home.* Something deep inside him unknotted and relaxed. He let out a deep sigh of contentment. "Almost there, Kick." Davey was a few feet ahead of him, and the cyberfox was a foot or so taller than he was, to begin with. Kickaha couldn't see past him. And jumping up to see over him seemed a little undignified. "Here we are! Take a good look, Kicker. Tell us what you think!" Davey had an ear to ear grin. (Which is something to see on a fox.) They'd just come upon a small clearing. From the looks of it, a large tree had fallen, years ago, and knocked down a number of others. Running along side of the clearing's edge was a tiny stream. Near the center stood Sally, Rotor, Bookshire, Dulcy and a number of others. they were standing next to what seemed to be a large hole in the ground. There was a large pile of cut sod nearby. Kickaha could hear Rotor saying, "No, no, the fire pit goes in the center of the Great Room, not to the side. The sleeping cabinets are what go on the sides. And remember to lay the granite tiles in the fire pit, first." Kickaha's jaw dropped. He couldn't believe what he was seeing. He walked forward. It was real. "Whaaa... How... Why... This... this looks just like the lodge of Three Young Buffalo. How did you...?" Sally laughed. "Nicole told us what the trouble was, and she had pictures of the sort of home you were used to living in. All we had to do was find a small clearing on the edge of the village. Tails had seen this one from the air, and Sonic checked it out. Near enough to be safe, and far enough away for a coyote." Rotor turned toward him. "We don't have enough sod to cover the entire burrow, but the mages all say that a spell to make grass seed grow fast is an easy thing to do. It'll be ready to live in by the day after tommorrow. Within the week, it will look just like the pictures Nicole found. Two weeks from now, you won't be able to tell it from any other small grassy hill." "I.. I.. I don't know what to say. I don't know how I can repay you..." "Just do what you can to help overthrow Robotropolis and further the cause of freedom, Kickaha. That's all anyone needs to do." Sally told him. "Oh, don't forget to schedule an appointment with Sir Charles. You need to take care of that back. Remember what I said about people who wouldn't listen to good advice?" With that, she shot Davey another one of her _looks_. He flinched, and held up both paws. "I'll be good, Sally, honest I will!" Davey whined. "I promise!" Sally humphed. "You'd better. Or I'll set Sonia on you. And you know _SHE_ won't take any excuses from you." At that, Davey went white under his fur. Now it was Kickaha's turn to laugh. "Looks like she's got you by the shorts, good buddy. I'd advise a quick surrender before it's too late. After all, you know females never take prisoners. I thought you knew that." He snickered uncontrollably. "The girls are _always_ more dangerous than the guys. Ah learned that a looong time ago. Hey, come on, let's go see if they can use any help putting my lodge together." And with that, David and Kickaha trooped over to lend a hand. *** ----------------------------------- Now for the legal stuff. Sonic the Hedgehog, Princess Sally, Knothole, et cetera, by Sega of America Blood and Metal, Davey Crockett, and The Wild Pack by David Gonterman Kickaha by Edward Becerra Sonia Hedgehog by Emily Smith Bear (The Hermit) by Daniel Davis Sandra Nightweaver and Bookshire Draftwood by David Pistone BAM Nicole by Alex Weitzman Coyote is a spirit of the native peoples of the Americas. Please respect him as you would your own beliefs. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Sun Jan 28 01:34:06 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA18728 for sonic-ll; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:59:28 -0500 Received: from shadow.genesis.org (root@genesis.org.131.204.in-addr.arpa [204.131.80.65]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA18722 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:59:14 -0500 Received: (from edward@localhost) by shadow.genesis.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA08939; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:56:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:56:37 -0700 (MST) From: Edward Becerra To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Visions in the Wind part 3 [Fanfic] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, after some nice email from the folks on the list, I've gotten around to posting parts 3 and 4 of the "Visions in the wind" fan fic. I hope you enjoy them. Edward Becerra (and Kickaha) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Visions in the Wind: Friends Well Met. by Ed Becerra ----------------------------------- Somewhere between Robotopolis and the Great Forest... "Aaargh! I gotta take a rest. If I don't, I swear my spine's gonna jump right outta my body and beat me to death, just to put an end to the back pain." muttered Edward Coyote. "I don't care how badly Old Man wants to talk to this Davey Crockett guy. I can't do the job, if I can't bloody _walk_, now can I? And if he's got any complaints, well, they can just wait 'til AFTER I rest." He spotted a clump of trees a short distance away. "Yeah, that's the ticket. Cover, concealment, and some shade. Just what I need. Now if I can just get there without falling on my face..." A few minutes later, Kickaha had reached the small patch of trees, and had found a mid-sized one to rest underneath. He shed his pack, and laid the shotgun he'd jacked from the SWATbot down beside it. Holding tightly to his ironwood cane, he carefully eased himself down to the ground. He leaned back against the trunk. "Aaaahhhhh! That's... good, soooo... good. Yeah. That helps. That helps _a lot_!" He let out a sigh. "I'll just rest here for a little bit." he said tiredly. "Just a few minutes, that's all. I'll just sit here a few minutes, only a few. No more than that. Just a few minutes." A little while later... Small non-sentient animals were running in sheer terror from the hideous sounds coming from the nearby trees. Birds and winged insects were flying for their lives. Even the plants were doing their best to cringe in pain. Was Packbell torturing a Freedom Fighter? Was some poor innocent caught in one of Snivley's death traps? What horrible thing had happened under the trees? Kickaha had fallen asleep. All of his tribe, indeed, most of the Wild Pack had told him that he snored. Loudly. Badly. In tones that could bend metal and shatter glass. He refused to believe them. Now he was asleep and snoring again. Too bad for the poor creatures around him. Some hours later... The sizzling lightning-bolt whipcracks of electro-magnetic pulse blasts echoing through the trees woke Kickaha from his slumber. He spared no time in blaming himself for falling asleep. There were more important things at hand, right now. "Gunfire?! Combat?! Somebody threw a firefight and forgot to invite me?!! I am seriously _TICKED OFF_! How DARE they have a battle and not include me?! Aaaarrgh! SOMEONE WILL PAY FOR THIS!" Edward was _not_ amused. He'd missed out on too many fights, already. He grabbed his pack, then hefted his shotgun and checked it's status. *Full magazine, round in the chamber, safety off. Right, then. Time to see just what the FUBAR is goin' on here!* He hobbled quickly towards the sounds of battle. "If it's them damn Swats again, I am definitely gonna get me a cycle _this_ time." he growled. "I AM SICK AND TIRED OF WALKING!! AND I DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS IT!" A few moments later, he'd reached a small clearing, where he was able to get a good look at what was going on. From where he stood, it looked like a band of Freedom Fighters were beating the living crud out of one of Robotnik's Hover Bots. And Kickaha was missing out on all the fun. Damn. By this time, a hovercycle had somehow moored itself to the side of the Hover Bot. Ed heard two shots fired from a weapon he was unfamiliar with, and then watched as a number of rebels boarded the Hover Bot and stripped it of the supplies it was carrying. *Hey!* thought Kickaha. *Maybe this group can tell me where I can find Princess Sally and her village. After all, I can't wander around aimlessly like this forever. If I can just catch up with them, or even follow them back to their base, that'll solve a lot of problems. Even if they can't help me, I can still use fresh supplies, a little R & R, and a few nights in a place with indoor plumbing!* About then, he noticed that the rebels had abandoned the Hover Bot, and caught sight of a tall fox leaping aboard the cycle and high-tailing it hell for leather. The Hover Bot then destroyed itself in an example of pyro-technic Chain-Reaction-Ultra-Destruction that warmed Kickaha's heart. *Beauty! Wonder what explosive they used? And where I can score some for myself. I haven't set a good booby-trap in ages. I start feeling a little cranky when I haven't blown something up recently... Hey! What in the name of the Great Spirit is THAT?!* THAT, as Kickaha put it, was a shooting star, and a peculiar looking one at that. First, it was glowing bright green! Second, it _wasn't_ burning up in the atmosphere, like most shooting stars. And finally, it was going to hit in this general area... in about... 15 SECONDS?! *AAAAHHHHH!!!! RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!* Meanwhile, the fox on the Hovercycle was going one on one with a pack of Swats. It hadn't noticed the eerie green glow coming from the strange shooting star. It was yelling at the top of it's voice, "RRRRRRAAAAAAAA!" The fox, a Swatbot, and the star all met at the same spot. "Ouch!" said Ed. *He's gonna feel _that_ in the morning!* he thought. Then the blast wave caught Kickaha, as well. He had time enough for one last thought, before it blew him into the trees. *Bet _this_ is gonna leave a mark!* *********************************** "Hey! Princess! Dere's somebody over 'ere! An' it looks like 'e got clocked real good! Hey, you dere! You okay?" "... unnhhh ..." The other rebels had left the tavern that had caught the fox who'd been riding the now-wrecked hovercycle. They headed over to where Speed had apparently found another casualty of the battle. The purple hedgehog shook the shoulders of the middle-aged coyote she'd found sprawled unconscious beneath a nearby tree. "Hey, you! Ennybody in dere? Wake up, awready! Da fight's over." ".... nO mOrE puLquE fOr mE, tHaNkS. i'M dRiViNg ...." By this time Princess Sally was standing beside them. Since it didn't look like the coyote was going to regain his senses anytime soon, she gave orders to have him taken back with them to Knothole, after being thoroughly searched for hidden transmitters that could lead Snivley to the hidden village. They gathered up his belongings, and as they did, Ryan noted that the coyote was carrying a shotgun taken from a SWATbot. "Hey, Davey, scope this!" Ryan held up the shotgun. "Do you think he's working for Snively?" "Not unless he's _really_ stupid. I don't think there's anyone on Mobius that trusts Snively as far as they can throw him. Not even Packbell. Especially not Packbell." "Good point! Heh-heh. Snively's a butthead! Heh-heh." "No, I'm Butthead, you're Bevis. Snively's the idiot. Huh-huh-huh. I made a joke. Jokes are cool. Huh-huh-huh." Davey snickered, rubbing a sore neck from the fall. Elizabeth Raccoon rolled her eyes. "Oil all over the place, and now bad jokes. So mature. NOT!" They loaded the injured coyote aboard the transport they'd brought to carry the supplies, and headed back for Knothole. *********************************** Davey was riding back to Knothole in the transport with their unexpected guest. Sally had insisted, after the spill he'd taken. He looked at the semi-conscious passenger curiously. He'd seen plenty of other Mobians, but never a coyote before. "Princess, I don't recall seeing any coyotes among the Freedom Fighters. Why is that?" Sally looked back at him. "They don't seem to mix much, and those few who were around Mobotropolis before the coup were pretty quiet, as a rule. They didn't talk much, and tended to stick with their own tribes, out near the Rocky Mountains and the High Prairie. That's some distance from here. It's a bit surprising to see one of them this far away from their native lands." "Hmmm... You don't say." There was something vaguely familiar about this coyote to Davey. But he couldn't quite put his finger on it. *Well, I can always find out later, when we get back.* he thought. *If it's important, I'll remember it, eventually.* "... uuhhhgg ... did anybody get... the licence plate... of that SWATbot... uunnnhh..." This from the coyote, who seemed to be coming around. He looked a little confused. Davey spoke to him, calmingly. "You're going to be O.K. Everthing's all right. You just took a bit of a blow back there." "oooohhhh.... man, what a head I've got. Excedrin headache Number 3.1415927. Anybody... uggh... got an aspirin?" "Do you know who you are? Do you remember your name?" asked Sally, who was worried about possible head injuries. "Kickaha. Edward Anthony Coyote. I think. Tell the guy with the jackhammer to lay off my head, willya? Ow! And who are you? Where am I? Last thing I remember, I was in the forest watching some rebels stomp a Hover Bot flat." he groaned. "That was us. We found you unconscious under a tree. It looked like the explosion slammed you into a trunk and knocked you out." she said. "Figures. Just my luck. Say, can you folks help me? I used to be a rebel, a long time ago. I'm looking for Princess Sally and her Freedom Fighters, and a fox named Davey Crockett. Would you know where they are, or how I can get in touch with them?" Princess Sally looked a little startled. "I think we need to have a talk, Kickaha." He looked around at them. "Oh, no!" he moaned. "Don't tell me. Lemme guess." He pointed at her. "You're Princess Sally." He turned to look at Davey. "And you're David Kintobor, aka Davey Crockett." He buried his face in his paws. "Old Man, you done it to me again. Ah'm gonna get you fer this one." He began to rise, then collapsed to the floor in a heap. Davey and Sally started towards him, worry written on their faces. "No! Don't! It's just my back. I had an old injury, and I've been walking for weeks, making it worse. I'll be okay. Just... don't move me, please? That'll make it worse." "All right. But when we get to Knothole, you're going straight to the infirmary. Don't try and fight me on this." Sally's expression was stern. "I've had enough trouble from people who won't listen to good advice." She gave Davey a _look_. "I don't need another one on my hands." "... owch ... you're getting no complaints from me, Princess. I'm ... aahh ... in no position to complain. Heh. Just don't move me 'till we get there. Please?" ********************************** In the infirmary... Two cots were side by side. Davey was sitting on one, with Kickaha lying on the other. They'd had to bring him in on a stretcher. He looked like a pretzel, he was so twisted. Davey was feeling curious, and wanted to take Ed's mind off his problem, so he thought he'd ask him a few questions "So, Kickaha--that's the name?--how'd you become a Freedom Fighter?" "Early in your father's coup. I happened to be around Mobotropolis when it started, so I became one of the early rebels. I didn't last long though. .." Flashback: Inside an armored mortar carrier, first year of the coup. Kickaha's trying to repair a balky swivel plate on the mortar. "Hey Obie! Pass the toolbox an' the baseplate over here, Please?" "Sure thing, Kickaha." With a _kick_, the toolbox was sent *flying* into the carrier. "Ow!! Hey!!" The baseplate, a round flat piece of steel shaped like a thick manhole cover, came next. "AAAAAAAAAA!!" It landed on top of Ed. CRUNCH! "uuuuuh. . . my hero . . . pele . . . " End Flashback: "Lucky me, my back didn't break. It went bad nonetheless. Got weak legs and a bad case of Rheumatism as well, thanks to Mr. World Cup champ! I got a medical discharge and returned to my Wild Pack tribe." "Wild Pack, you say." Davey said as he listened. Scoping the coyote at the infirmary cot next to him, he saw the stuff Kickaha brought with him--a Dream Catcher, a ceremonial pipe, various amulets and a medicine bag on a necklace--that reminded Davey of a race of people he calls 'Native Americans.' This 'Wild Pack' must be Mobius' answer to that culture, or so Davey surmised. "How'd you been going all this time?" "Oh, I lived day by day, following the wind, listening to the spirits, Wild Pack stuff." Kickaha smirked at Davey. "I don't know if you'd be interested." *Gotcha! But I gotta be careful he doesn't slip the hook. Old Man 'll have my hide for his headdress if I blow this one.* "I could. Your culture reminds me of a similar culture from my planet. I had a book of their stories that I really loved as a kid." Right about then a tall, good looking cyber-hedgehog entered the room. She headed straight for Davey. "Davey! How ya doing?" She hugged and kissed the tall fox. "Speed told me all about that Chaos Emerald that almost nailed ya." "Huh? I mean, Excuse me?" Kickaha was a little puzzled. "What Chaos Emerald?" Kickaha then got the instant replay of what things had looked like from Davey's point of view, courtesy of Davey's holo-projector. While this took place, Suni examined her man. Except for a slight case of whiplash that she quickly healed, Davey was unharmed. "Wow! All that happened around you and you walked without a scratch?!? Looks like some of our spirits are starting to like you!" Kickaha laughed. *Damn, you work fast, Old Man! Or was that even you? I'd better check.* "You ask me, I'd say it's just the worst case of Bad Karma on two planets." said Davey in pessimistic tones. While Suni worked on her man, Kickaha took a closer look at Davey. *By the Great Horn Spoon! I haven't see an aura like that for some time. You were right, Old Man, he _is_ one of us. And _very_ powerful. This could present some problems. I've got to think on this.* He quirked an eyebrow at David from the cot. "What Bad Karma? The Bad Karma you got from your Daddy? I beg to differ, my friend." Princess Sally entered the infirmary right then. She didn't look at all happy with Davey. "As do I. I'm going to keep repeating this; I ordered all of Knothole to repeat it, until it gets into that thick stubborn head of yours." She got in Davey's face, grabbed him by the ears, and raised her voice. "You are not to answer for the crimes of your father, David Jim Kintobor. Not by us, not by our gods, and not by your own damn guilty conscious. Not if I can help it! I'd bop you on that thick head of yours with a very large hammer to give you amnesia, but Suni would kill me if I did, so I have to shout it into that thick head of yours and let it rattle in what you use for a brain every now and then until it finally sticks!" She let go of him, then. "Besides, we've gotta talk about what Julian found. Is he going to be fine, Suni, as least, relatively?" "He's gonna be fine. You don't have to worry about Davey's inner demons." She hugged Davey and stroked his pelt. "I'll take care of them. You go now, Hon." Kickaha was thinking, *Better not push it right now. Besides, looks like the Healer, what was her name? Oh, yeah. Sonia. Looks like I'm next on her list.* He waved as Davey left the room. "We'll continue this later ..." *********************************** "I don't know how much I can do for you, Edward. Your injuries are so old, so much a part of you, your body's accepted them as what's natural for you. But I can ease the pain somewhat, and reduce the swelling." Sonia frowned. She didn't like being unable to help a patient. "Don't distress yourself, lass. I accepted my lot a long time ago. And easing the pain is a blessing." He smiled at her. "Just do your best, and you'll have nothing to feel sorry for. And please, call me Kickaha." *The spirits are strong with this one. Mother Earth is a force within her. Well, she IS a healer. But I sense _fire_, as well! She bears watching.* "But there may be _another_ way, Ed.. urr.. Kickaha." "Eh? What might that be?" Sonia explained the modifications King Acorn and David had made to Sir Charles's Roboticizer. "Hmmm. Sounds like just the ticket. I'll look into it. Thank you." *********************************** After being treated by Sonia, Kickaha was moved into Davey's hut, until Knothole could build him one of his own. He was mobile again, with the help of his cane, and went looking for Davey. He found him gathering together a raiding party. "I'd love to join in, but I don't think I'd do you any good right now. At the moment, a stunned snail could outrace me. I've heard of this more original design of Chuck's prized machine you've perfected, Dave, and I feel that it'll do me good. Can't wait to be a Borg." Ed chuckled. "Go Borg them one for me!" Davey flicked his fingers on the brim of his cap. "Will do, Kickaha." Then he headed off for Robotroplis. Ed returned to the hut to rest. As he entered, he heard the soft brush of feathers behind him. He turned to look over his shoulder and saw a large black crow on Davey's windowsill. "So, Old Man. Think Davey's got potential?" "I dunno," the crow answered. "You told him about me yet?" "Not yet. He said that he's interested in some stories about you, though." "Good. Let me meet him first, Kickaha. And then, when he's curious, he'll come to you. Let him know then." The crow spread his wings and took flight, following David. He watched as the crow landed on Dave's shoulder, then turned to find a soft chair to rest in. He moved it so he could look out at Knothole as he sat. He started to laugh. "I wonder if Knothole knows what it's gotten itself into now? Well, Old Man, you _did_ keep your word to me. Life's been a lot of things since you walked into mine, all those years ago, but it's never been _dull_!!" He laughed softly for some time, then quietly fell asleep in the chair. His dreams were... interesting. ----------------------------------- Now for the legal stuff. Sonic the Hedgehog, Princess Sally, Knothole, et cetera, by Sega of America Blood and Metal, Davey Crockett, and The Wild Pack by David Gonterman Ryan Nightweaver by Ryan Huber Kickaha by Edward Becerra Sonia Hedgehog by Emily Smith Coyote is a spirit of the native peoples of the Americas. Please respect him as you would your own beliefs. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 01:00:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA13353 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:04:02 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA13248 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:03:42 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA28330 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:03:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 0:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960129000338.b65f@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Sonic 33, was: AIEEE, etc. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:49:21 -0600 (CST) >From: James Firmiss >To: sonic@bort.mv.net >Subject: AIEE! Ignore Last Message from me (Stupid Mail Program) >By the way.... Anyone get Sonic #33 yet (I think its 33... it could be >32... its the one with Sonic being attacked by slimy stuff on the cover?) Just picked it up today... >I got my copy about a week ago from the comic shop and haven't heard anyone >talk about it yet. Nothing worth saying, IMHO :^| It'll be interesting to see Dan's flame, er, review of it... Here are my comments: (spoiler warning) The cover is the most interesting part of the whole issue, IMHO... Story art by Manak and Harvo; enough said... The story is clearly geared for the kiddies and others who can suspend belief enough to accept anthropomorphic germs and antibodies. Not much more to say about it... The never-ending Knuckles story: another mystery figure joins the "plot"... The hockey game with Snively: barely the best of the issue, but you'd think the FFers would've realized Robotnik wouldn't honor his bet if he lost, thus why take the risk of _them_ losing? (It wasn't clear that they had no choice...) And Snively seemed out of character from the show... At least Dan will be happy there's no office humor (but no letters page either) in this issue; instead, it was replaced with the annual legal hooey, which is actually rather interesting once you learn how to read it (or scary, if I read it right - comments from insider Paul Castiglia would be appreciated): "average" in the following is for the preceding 12 months, "actual" is the issue published nearest to the filing date: 15A: Total No. Copies: Ave.: 202902, actual: 196690 15B: Paid and/or requested circulation: 1. Sales through dealers and carriers, street vendors and counter sales: Ave.: 57996, actual: 65080 2. Paid or requested mail subscriptions: ave.: 5671, actual: 5516 15C: Total paid and/or requested circulation: ave.: 63667, actual: 70596 15D: Free distribution by mail; samples, complimentary, and other free: ave.: 468, actual: 542 15F: Total distribution: ave.: 64135, actual: 71138 15G: Total not distributed: 1. office use, leftovers, spoiled: ave.: 7898, actual: 7862 2. Returns from news agents: ave.: 130869, actual: 117690 15I: Total: ave.: 202902, actual: 196690 Percent paid and/or requested circulation: ave.: 99.3%, actual: 99.3% My question to Paul is the following: is over a two-thirds return rate normal and/or acceptable, or is this bad news for Sonic? RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 09:35:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA14104 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:04:23 -0500 Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA14099 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:04:19 -0500 Received: from brushtail.hna.com.au (uucp@localhost) by seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id BAA27667 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:03:58 +1100 (EST) Received: (from cjb@localhost) by brushtail.hna.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05946; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:56:15 +1100 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 00:56:15 +1100 Message-Id: <199601291356.AAA05946@brushtail.hna.com.au> To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: list-brush-sonic@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Sonic#33 .. Ooh, should I warn everyone? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The lead story tonight, "Lets Get Small" is a Gallagher and Manak combo. Well lets say it's not one of those stories you'll be able to consider seriously or will satisfy the Mobian story followers. I'm easily amused though, so I think it's one of the fun ones. (I would be annoyed if this where an expensive comic..) Be thankful that Chris Riccarrdi or Mike Kazaleh don't work for Archie. :) Avoiding any spoilers, an interesting thing is this month's Dastardly Robotnik Plan uses "Microbionics", what we on the list have referred to as Nanites. No Sonicgrams (or Office Joke) this issue. Story #2 is another suspense-filled two page installment from the Knuckles saga. I'm just shaking with anticipation for the conclusion of this one. (Come back Office Joke! All is forgiven!) What's the equivalent of a "FFF" for a comic? Look at the hand in the second panel on the second page. The third and final story is probably the most interesting for what it's worth-- we get to see a bit more of Snively's character ...it clashes a bit with everyone's previous proposals.. -- Chris From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 10:19:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA14815 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:23:56 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA14799 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:23:54 -0500 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA11235 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:23:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: <960129092320_409176590@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic 33, was: AIEEE, etc. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net To Ron Bauerle (and all interested): Regarding your question concerning Sonic's circulation ("is over a two-thirds return rate normal and/or acceptable, or is this bad news for Sonic"?): The answer is: don't worry! Sonic is in fine shape. Just the other day, we were looking at total numbers for Sonic (including newsstand outlets, comic shops, subscriptions, Toys-R-Us packs, bookstores, and foreign sales-- English language copies make it into such places as Australia, India and Malaysia) and the average sale is a number that most comic publishers would love their titles to have (and this includes many once mighty Marvel and DC titles whose sales have dropped way below Sonic). All things considered, I think it's fair to say that Sonic is one of the best-selling titles on the market. In fact, we are now meeting to decide what Sonic specials we should publish this year (any suggestions?)... Hope this calms your fears... Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 11:16:11 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA20408 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:34:37 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA20400 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:34:33 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.3]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA13913 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:34:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 10:34:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net CC: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960129103426.ba17@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sonic 33, was: AIEEE, etc. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: Benny7dude@aol.com >Regarding your question concerning Sonic's circulation ("is over a two-thirds >return rate normal and/or acceptable, or is this bad news for Sonic"?): >The answer is: don't worry! Sonic is in fine shape. (breathes sigh of relief :^)) >Just the other day, we were looking at total numbers for Sonic (including >newsstand outlets, comic shops, subscriptions, Toys-R-Us packs, bookstores, >and foreign sales--English language copies make it into such places as >Australia, India and Malaysia) and the average sale is a number that most >comic publishers would love their titles to have (and this includes many >once mighty Marvel and DC titles whose sales have dropped way below Sonic). Rec.arts.comics.marvel-universe has been a bit busy lately :^) And DC should worry too, since the only titles I was buying from them were the Star Trek comics, and now that Paramount's yanked that away from them, they won't be getting any of my business... (the recent Superman's haven't looked too bad from the skimming I've done, but I really don't want to learn a whole new post-Crisis continuity, that still tries to suck in the pre-Crisis stuff and does a bad job of it). But I'm getting off-topic... I can't help but compare Marvel's and DC's problems to the Hollywood situation: even though the box office shows that the general public prefers G/PG-rated family-type movies over the R-rated blood and boobs slop, they still keep churning out the latter - I guess it's low budget enough that it makes enough money to justify it. I think there's a similar parallel to the superhero stuff: I liked the 60s/70s/early 80s stuff but all this "relevancy" and "grim" stuff turns me off - if I want that, I'll watch the news or read the paper... >All things considered, I think it's fair to say that Sonic is one of the >best-selling titles on the market. In fact, we are now meeting to decide >what Sonic specials we should publish this year (any suggestions?)... More stuff like Princess Sally's miniseries!!! More Bunnie!!! More action tales and not kid stuff like the germ story in #33! I'm rather neutral on stuff like Knuckels/Chaotix - I find it detracts from rather than enhances the Freedom Fighter theme, but if the Sega-heads out there (er, no offense :^)) want it, that's OK I guess... Assuming the Sonic Sat. AM show is gone for good, why not pick up where it left off? Maybe you can get a hold of the writers for it (Allee and Hurst?) and see where they were planning to take it? But maybe that's a bit much, since you'd have to deal with a post-Robotnik universe, and I don't know that you're out of ideas for the one we've got now (but please do better than "McRobos" :^)) >Hope this calms your fears... It does; thanks! Ron Bauerle From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 17:17:05 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA18941 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:20:01 -0500 Received: from eden-backend.rutgers.edu (eden-backend.rutgers.edu [165.230.208.130]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA18934 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:19:54 -0500 Received: from lex.dorm.rutgers.edu (lex.dorm.rutgers.edu [128.6.139.12]) by eden-backend.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA14114 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:19:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199601292119.QAA14114@eden-backend.rutgers.edu> X-Sender: empire@eden-backend.rutgers.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:19:47 -0500 To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Michael Kraft Subject: Re: Sonic 33, was: AIEEE, etc. Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >All things considered, I >think it's fair to say that Sonic is one of the best-selling titles on the >market. In fact, we are now meeting to decide what Sonic specials we should >publish this year (any suggestions?)... > I think you should put out a book made of a compilation of the comics #1 through whatever (I don't remember what these are called so I called it a book). Sort of like what the original TMNT comics did. Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 17:58:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA19042 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:21:58 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA19032 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:21:53 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA28146 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:21:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:21:22 -0500 Message-ID: <960129162120_209311091@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: I'm Back! Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hi everybody! I'm abck, and have about 4 pages of things to say. I was off the wires(?) for two weeks (financial AOL problems :'( ), and now have 111 messages (71 left to read). I am not complaining, I actually expected more. I am going to answer all of the messages for the first week in this letter, so if something was answered last week, don't think of me as being annoying. Anywayz: On 96-01-11 22:23:06 EST (ancient history), Doug LoConti wrote: >What is it to become "obsessed" with what once a video game? I'm >not blaming anyone-I am myself. And I'm not inviting flames, such >as, "well, if you don't like it, leave!"...I'm asking, rather >simply....my friends suspect me as being "messed-up" for such >obsession, (which I probably am...) but I have been into Sonic >when Sonic the Hedgehog was released on the old system....I'm what >you'd call a "classic fan"... we all are... (I would think..) what >what makes us this? What obsession? I don't want it to lead >somewhere bad, and as much as I hate conformity, do any of you >think this obsession with a make-believe world is normal? Please >answer in a truthful and non-sarcastic tone. If you have to flame >me, don't. It will waste "precious bandwidth" (I love that line) >and will make me sad. I think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being obsessed (coming from a guy who cuts on Sonic's pictures from catalogs, and pastes them on the wall :') ). Especially not with Sonic. I for one am very tied up to the whole "Mobian Theory" (that's how I like to describe it), because it is VERY similar to my own life, and has brought me a lot of joy (a big group of people who I can talk to, and who understand me, for one). Also, if you're not "obsessed" with something, then what do you do with your life, rot away in one place doing absolutely nothing? Everyone needs a hobby. And to close things up, my obsession has taught me something very valuable: You are your own world, and what is outside of it, does not necessarily have to affect it. (In other words, who cares about what others think about you. You like what you like) I hope that was not too much off topic, and that that helped a lot of people feel really better. On 01-13 01:12:16 EST, Nomad wrote: >did anyone else >receive my RPG? Is anyone listening to me? Here's something about >Sonic characters.....would anyone like their stats? But, really, >I think that if every character has 'super powers' of some sort, >it would ruin the game and the comic, and the TV show, and...well, >you get the idea. Is there anyone who agrees with >me. > (I thought about this when someone mentioned Sally with super >speed) [I dead the thought!] I got it,(have absolutely no idea what i am supposed to do with it, but can ask someone to help me). On Sally's speed, a agree. I also dead the thought (I actually get that). It's just that "Brown streak speeds by, Sally the Acorn..." doesn't seem right. > So I guess I should end this letter, > NOMAD nice ending :') On 96-01-13 16:08:59 EST, Bunnie Rabbot wrote: >Hello y'all... > >Did it occur to any of you that we may never know Princess Sally's >real species? Personally, I think she was adopted. I think she's >a cross between a squirrel and a chipmunk. What do you think? The short, pointy tail, facial, and belly markings are very similar to that of a chipmunk, but I really don't see what's so weird about her father being a fox, and her mother being a squirrel. I think it fits very well with super-sonic blue hedgehogs, ice-breathing dragons, and the entire creature feature of the first season of StH. (Just feeling left out and wanting to add something). From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 17:59:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id QAA19097 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:23:20 -0500 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id QAA19092 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:23:16 -0500 From: MDmitry@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA14243 for sonic@lists.mv.net; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:22:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:22:25 -0500 Message-ID: <960129162059_209310826@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: I'm Back! (#2) Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net (The second part of my message) On 96-01-13 21:59:22 EST, David Gonterman wrote: >But then again, the story *would* end. The Evil has been kicked >off the planet, permanently, Peace and Prosperity will be restored >on Mobius, and everyone, save a few bitter souls scarred too >harshly by the war, will live happily ever after Who says evil would be kicked out. What about Snively? And even after Snively, you have thousands of swat bots to deal with (sort of like a "Terminator" theme), and maybe, some of the survivors (or someone period) would take the opportunity to take Mobius while it's in it's weak stages of rebuilding. Besides, I HATE endings. Whenever a good story ends, I always feel like I want more (anyone agree?). That's why a part of me is glad that the third season didn't go in effect (so call me a rebel). The 3rd season not being made forced a lot of the good writers to make stories of possible outcomes of the Mobius. (P.S. give credit to Archie for not coming even close to a conclusion). On 96-01-14 03:42:39 EST, Nomad wrote: > And last, Snivley, would he be a better Robotnik??? In my opinion, no. Robotnik was responsible for taking over the planet, building the roboticiser, designing war plans, etc. Snively was only a lackey. True, he did notice Robotnik's mistakes, but Robotnik was under "hedgehog" stress all the time, so maybe he couldn't think straight. Snively would be under the same stress when he comes to power. Also, Robotnik looks to me to be more clever than Snively. "Spyhog" gave a lot of credit to Robotnik in that when Snively wanted to destroy the spy bug, Robotnik told him to rip out a diode, and put it back. This way, when the spy comes to replace it, they will be able to catch him (that was to make sure whoever didn't see the episodes, wasn't in the dark). I forgot who and when wrote: >PS-my girlfriend, Vixie (bunnie1235@aol.com) is now on the list. >She's creative, but it a newbie to the net, so go easy... :) HI VIXIE! Believe me, If you like Sonic, you'll feel right at home. On 96-01-14 20:28:24 EST, Chris wrote: >My opinion of Archie is they're publishing the almost-mythical >story of the War about a thousand years after the event, and a >lot of details were confused when the story was passed down to >each generation after the next.. (For an example, when they >started they thought Sally was /pink/! It was only after that >their rent-a-scholars realized the error..) In my opinion, Mobius girls and pink do not mix. I am still upset about Archie's Bunnie Rabbot (I got my second comic, #32, yesterday, and Bunnie just doesn't seem to have her charm), and Amy Rose, well, either she is rose, or I just don't approve of her very much. On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Doug LoConti wrote: >Bleagh...I didn't like the pink, although she DID appear pink in >one episode of the Sat AM show...It was in the first season, I >can't remember which ep it was I think it was "Heads or Tails". > I kinda liked her pink.... it doesn't really matter, though.... >hey, does ANYBODY think that.... umm... they will re-air Sonic? >I heard something about a third season...could this be? Just >curious.... hey, by the way, I believe I stated my opinion on this in "Conclusions" section of this letter. On 96-01-15 03:11:54 EST, James Firmiss wrote: >The conclusion of all this is that Sally's mother is a squirrel. >There was a fanfic story which had Sally's mother in it (as a >squirrel) so someone out there believes this (or something like >this) :-) Story is "Bloodlines", Author is David Pistone, Theory is Good, Someone is Someones. ~ Last part guys (ALRIGHT!) On 06-01-17 19:56:23 EST, Robert Haynie wrote: > Is it my imagination, or does USA clip a few minutes out of >their sunday morning broadcast of StH? > rob >From my position, they have cut out about 30 minutes worth of the show. I stayed up until 7:30 am on Sunday (I mean 9:00am Sun to 7:30am Mon), and didn't see anything. Could someone give me a time pointer on the airing around the Washington DC area? (Is there anyone even living close to D.C. area?) (P.S. I just read some more mail, and found out which type of episodes you guys are talking about. In D.C. area, Sat morning episoded were taken off the air about four month ago, and I was really hoping for at least reruns). Well, that's the longest message I've ever written, and hopefully will ever write ("Will he SHUT UP!" - your thoughts). P.S. would it be much trouble if Erich *forwarded* all my messages to the list, and I get the list messages from AOL? (we are poor, and AOL is too greedy). ("No really, WILL HE!?!?") SONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONICSALLYSONIC Y S Writer/Sculptor/Hacker S "If it ain't S L Dmitry O Collector A blue, don't get A L Murashchik N And all that other cool L it" - ME L A MDmitry@aol.com I stuff that won't make a L (A rule I try L S C difference on a resume. Y to follow) Y CINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOSYLLASCINOS *-----------------{ E-MAIL }-----------------* | DMITRY.MURASHCHIK@F480.N109.Z1.FIDONET.ORG | *---------------------S+S--------------------* From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 21:18:25 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA07825 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:31:35 -0500 Received: from hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk [146.176.161.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id OAA08643 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:11:23 -0500 Received: from artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (artemis [146.176.161.5]) by hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09860 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:11:39 GMT Received: (from bsc4034@localhost) by artemis.dcs.napier.ac.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA20594; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:11:37 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:11:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Symon Kielb To: Sonic List Subject: Sonic and Co Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. Ive never seen, or read of any birthdays, or have seen then getting taller, especially Tails. Is it me, or are they stuck in some sort of temporal age pause?????? Or am i going ROund the bend <=-? Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ???Riddle me this, What is the sound of one hand clapping??? From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 21:59:24 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA10740 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:52:52 -0500 Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA10731 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:52:49 -0500 Received: from getns2.erie.ge.com ([3.14.4.56]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA16267 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:52:47 -0500 Received: from crypt.erie.ge.com by getns1.erie.ge.com with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from csp189.ge.com by crypt.erie.ge.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27766; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:52:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:52:43 -0500 Message-Id: <9601300152.AA27766@crypt.erie.ge.com> To: quozl@netcom.com, sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Newbie, but Sonic fan... Newsgroups: alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog References: From: bauerle@engr.erie.ge.com (Ron Bauerle) Organization: GE Transportation Systems, Control Engineering Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net In article , quozl@netcom.com (D.M. "Quozl" Falk) writes: >There isn't a FAQ for this newsgroup, but there is an StH FAQ from the >mailing list that is routinely posted to rec.arts.animation (that I >*wish* would be posted here as well)... But everything you'd want or need >to know about StH (except the games!) can be found at http://rat.org/, >*the* Sonic fan site.... :) Actually, I don't think I've seen it posted to r.a.a. lately either. All that gets posted to the mailing list these days are updates to the reviews/summaries of the comics. The whole FAQs were getting too big, and I think people got tired of grinding through them just for the new stuff. If people were really interested, I could repost the updates here, but given the level of traffic here, I'm not sure it's worth it... RDB From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 22:52:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA12158 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:35:08 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA12139 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:35:03 -0500 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA03622 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:35:00 -0500 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Kris Kelley) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA00537 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:34:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199601300234.VAA00537@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic and Co To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:34:58 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Symon Kielb" at Jan 29, 96 07:11:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1579 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > > Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. > > Ive never seen, or read of any birthdays, or have seen then getting > taller, especially Tails. Is it me, or are they stuck in some sort of > temporal age pause?????? > > Or am i going ROund the bend <=-? > > Mickey Mouse is around 60. Superman, ditto. LIttle Orphan Annie... let's just say her growth is SEVERELY stunted. Bart Simpson has been in the fourth (or is it fifth now?) and Maggie has been in diapers for *years* now. Calvin was six years old when the strip began... and he was six years old when the strip ended, 10 years later. Charlie Brown... 'nuff said. In fact, in the realm of cartoons, comic books, and newspaper comic strips, I have seen only one instance of things progressing in real time: Baby Blues. Now tell me, do you *really* expect Sonic and company to age? :) later---Kris -- *******Kris Kelley gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu toledo@cc.gatech.edu******* * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Mon Jan 29 23:57:59 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA19276 for sonic-ll; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:06:49 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA19271 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:06:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:06:46 -0500 Received: from ip100.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa22900; 29 Jan 96 23:04 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Sonic and Co Message-ID: <9601292304.aa22900@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. Well, I suppose there are a couple of ways to look at this. In most of the fan-fic which is written by all of the Sonic fans, the storyline is very serious and plausible. (IMHO, these stories seem to work better.) Because of this serious tone and parallel to our reality, I assume that, if the stories went on for a long enough time, the characters would age, grow, and eventually die. ("Bloodlines" is a good example of this. If there are others which follow this trend, I apologize to the respective authors, as I haven't had time to read them yet.) However, in the Archie series, the games, and the other "official" Sonic fare, no one ever seems to age. Perhaps it's because the creators and authors adopt the standard cartoon character ideas and eliminate aging all together. Think about it. Out of all of the cartoon characters out there, how many have ever aged? Sure, some have had birthdays, but never on a regualr basis , plus they never change otherwise. One example to the contrary would be "For Better or For Worse", the syndicated comic strip. The characters age just as realistically and perfectly as their real-life counterparts. On the other hand, Garfield has birthdays every year but doesn't really change. He technically should have died a few years back from old age. (He's turning 18 in a few months.) From Calvin and Hobbes, Calvin always goes on summer vacation, yet always goes back to First grade with Susie Derkins and Miss Wormwood. (Alas, no longer.) Many of the other cartoons which have been on the comic pages for decades haven't changed much at all. (Beetle Bailey, Hagar the Horrible, Etc.) Even though i said up above that I prefer the stories with a serious tone(I am NOT flaming the other authors. Their work is equally enjoyable, but on a different level. I could only hope to write so well.), I'm not sure I would want Sonic to age very much. If he grew older, he would gain maturity at the expense of his natural spunk and cool attitude which define the character we all love. We all change with time. Maybe the characters' creators didn't want them to change because they liked them the way they are? Just my thoughts... -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 08:45:41 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA19880 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:50:02 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA19873 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 07:49:58 -0500 Received: from nb1-31.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thFVN-000D32C; Tue, 30 Jan 96 07:49 EST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 07:49 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Sonic and Co Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >> >> Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. The new story Tail in Bookshire is about Tails growing pains. It's rated PG-13 which I think is almost too light of a rating. Man and I thought SEX class in school was bad. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 09:26:16 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA21974 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:29:27 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA21965 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:29:24 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14325; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:29:21 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA22987; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:29:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199601301329.IAA22987@edmund> Subject: Re: Sonic and Co To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:29:19 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Symon Kielb" at Jan 29, 96 07:11:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. > Ive never seen, or read of any birthdays, or have seen then getting > taller, especially Tails. Is it me, or are they stuck in some sort of > temporal age pause?????? > > Or am i going ROund the bend <=-? > > > Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk > > Not aging is an ancient convention in the comics. It makes the characters easier to draw when you don't have to change the models. There have been exceptions [strips such as "Gasoline Alley" and "For Better Or For Worse" but they're in the minority. Let's just say that a lot happens to these characters in the course of a year and that they therefore lead Very Full Lives ;-). ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 09:50:33 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id IAA21879 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:26:09 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id IAA21874 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:26:06 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14275; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:25:58 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id IAA22726; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:25:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199601301325.IAA22726@edmund> Subject: Re: I'm Back! (#2) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 08:25:56 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <960129162059_209310826@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "MDmitry@aol.com" at Jan 29, 96 04:22:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > > Who says evil would be kicked out. What about Snively? And even > after Snively, you have thousands of swat bots to deal with (sort > of like a "Terminator" theme), and maybe, some of the survivors (or > someone period) would take the opportunity to take Mobius while > it's in it's weak stages of rebuilding. Besides, I HATE endings. > Whenever a good story ends, I always feel like I want more (anyone > agree?). That's why a part of me is glad that the third season > didn't go in effect (so call me a rebel). The 3rd season not being > made forced a lot of the good writers to make stories of possible > outcomes of the Mobius. (P.S. give credit to Archie for not coming > even close to a conclusion). > In a sense, I agree that it might have been just as well we didn't get a third season: I fully expected a LOT of overacting from Snively. But endings are possible -- I'm still drafting my "Mobius Apocalypse." > > >The conclusion of all this is that Sally's mother is a squirrel. > >There was a fanfic story which had Sally's mother in it (as a > >squirrel) so someone out there believes this (or something like > >this) :-) > > Story is "Bloodlines", Author is David Pistone, Theory is Good, > Someone is Someones. > ~ Story IS "Bloodlines," Author is ME! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 09:54:54 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA25597 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:07:06 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA25592 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:07:03 -0500 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA27829 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:07:01 -0500 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Kris Kelley) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04173 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:06:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199601301406.JAA04173@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Sonic and Co To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:06:54 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Lapensee" at Jan 30, 96 07:49:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 950 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > The new story Tail in Bookshire is about Tails growing pains. > It's rated PG-13 which I think is almost too light of a rating. > Man and I thought SEX class in school was bad. Erk. Hoboy. Please tell me we're not seeing Tails lose his virginity. :P later---Kris -- *******Kris Kelley gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu toledo@cc.gatech.edu******* * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 10:17:49 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA26526 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:28:14 -0500 Received: from crdems.ge.com (root@crdems.GE.COM [192.35.44.5]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA26499 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:28:10 -0500 Received: from engr.erie.ge.com by crdems.ge.com (5.65/GE 1.77) id AA18073; Tue, 30 Jan 96 09:17:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 9:17:00 -0500 (EST) From: Ron Bauerle To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Message-Id: <960130091700.c08f@engr.erie.ge.com> Subject: Re: Sonic and Co Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) >>> Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. >The new story Tail in Bookshire is about Tails growing pains. >It's rated PG-13 which I think is almost too light of a rating. >Man and I thought SEX class in school was bad. Sarcasm mode ON: oh goodie, time to start another TTBS flame war... (for those who don't know about TTBS, hang out on alt.tv.tiny-toon.fandom for a while...) Mode OFF (partially?): thanks for the warning, I'll be sure to give this one a pass (at least people are starting to put ratings on their stories; maybe they should be assigned by people other than the authors). I'm probably going to sound like a prude and/or a Peter Pan, but this sort of stuff is _not_ what I look for in comics and fan-fic; there's enough of it in real life... But I suppose I should admit (at the risk of being a hyprocrite too) that Tails's experiences along this line in his miniseries weren't too bad, mainly because they didn't get into any messy physical/moral details; i.e., it was just the _concept_ of growing up that was explored, not the _implementation_ of it. The latter I feel is a private matter best left up to the individuals (whether fictional or not) to resolve. One final note: I am _not_ calling for censorship; I feel people should be free to write stuff like this (though I'll stay out of the copyright/trademark discussion for now). I'm just saying _I_ don't want to see this stuff, thus I want it clearly marked as such before I start reading it (and stuff not suitable for kids shouldn't be readily accessible by them either). RDB, donning asbestos suit From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 11:24:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id KAA01242 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:25:44 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id KAA01235 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:25:39 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id QAA10907; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:25:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:25:26 +0100 (MET) From: Iggy Drougge X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic and Co In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Paul Lapensee wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. > > The new story Tail in Bookshire is about Tails growing pains. > It's rated PG-13 which I think is almost too light of a rating. > Man and I thought SEX class in school was bad. Hay! What's wrong with sex ed? =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 12:25:37 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA08430 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:51:46 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA08425 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:51:43 -0500 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (rotor@usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA25590 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:51:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09576; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:51:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:51:40 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic and Co In-Reply-To: <199601301406.JAA04173@acmex.gatech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Kris Kelley wrote: > > The new story Tail in Bookshire is about Tails growing pains. > > It's rated PG-13 which I think is almost too light of a rating. > > Man and I thought SEX class in school was bad. > > Erk. > > Hoboy. > > Please tell me we're not seeing Tails lose his virginity. :P > > later---Kris No, actually, the author tells me that's not happening until the sequel to this story...which he has yet to send me. ;) +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 12:49:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA09316 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:58:40 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA09311 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:58:38 -0500 Received: from usr6.primenet.com (rotor@usr6.primenet.com [198.68.32.16]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA26113 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:58:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr6.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA10985; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:58:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:58:37 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Sonic and Co In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Iggy Drougge wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Paul Lapensee wrote: > > > >> > > >> Has anyone ever noticed...Sonic and Co, NEVER seem to age, or Grow. > > > > The new story Tail in Bookshire is about Tails growing pains. > > It's rated PG-13 which I think is almost too light of a rating. > > Man and I thought SEX class in school was bad. > > Hay! What's wrong with sex ed? Before all this get's too far out of hand, I would like to strongly stress that same thing I stress in the warning I put at the beginning of the story (NO, I did NOT write the story, I simply gave it the rating as a public service) For the first and LAST time...it is NOT some X-Rated, TTBS reminicent piece of fanfic...in fact, there's no actual sex in it ANYwhere...so everybody get over it. It's about Tails maturing...what's so wrong with that? And, as a note to the people at SEGA, since the above is, in fact, the case...I don't want to hear a single word out of you. +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 13:24:02 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA10565 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:23:39 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA10553 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:23:33 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24029; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:23:24 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id MAA20320; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:23:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199601301723.MAA20320@edmund> Subject: A Matter Of Trust / 0/3 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:23:23 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Well, it took a little longer than I thought to find the time to cobble this together, but here's yet another helping of fanfic. Enjoy. A MATTER OF TRUST By Daniel J. Drazen (Synopsis): Sonic rekindles an old friendship, but that friendship is strained by a centuries-old feud. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 13:30:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA13902 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:55:34 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA13896 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:55:30 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA14641; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:55:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:55:29 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: tails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Bookshire Draftwood wrote: > > Please tell me we're not seeing Tails lose his virginity. :P > > > > later---Kris > > No, actually, the author tells me that's not happening until the sequel > to this story...which he has yet to send me. ;) Almost happened in the comics with Fiona. Well, I seriously don't think they would cover that in Archie comics, but it's the direction they were heading. Too bad she wasn't a real fox. p.s. I love this demented thread. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 13:53:13 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA11367 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:41:03 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA11357 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:40:56 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24715; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:40:43 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id MAA22740; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:40:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199601301740.MAA22740@edmund> Subject: A Matter Of Trust: 1/3 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net A MATTER OF TRUST A Sonic the Hedgehog story by Daniel J. Drazen drazen@andrews.edu Pause for bourgeois legalities: This story is copyright (c)1996 by the author, who grants permission to reproduce and distribute it, so long as A) you don't screw around with it and leave the text as it is, and B) you don't try and make a buck off of it. If you're serious about the latter, drop me a line at drazen@andrews.edu and we'll discuss my cut. All the normal provisions of Title 17 (the U.S. Copyright Law) still apply. Based on characters and situations created by Sega Corporation, Archie Comics and/or DiC Productions. Bookshire Draftwood appears in this story courtesy of David Pistone Talent Associates. There are terms used in this story which may be unfamiliar to some readers; they are advised to do some lurking in alt.rec.sport.pro-wrestling. This was the part Sonic always hated. He didn't mind checking in with his Uncle Chuck, who worked for the Freedom Fighters as a spy in Robotnik's midst. He enjoyed seeing him, despite the fact that Uncle Chuck's body had been roboticized. What he hated was leaving. "One of these days, Uncle Chuck, I'm checkin' you out of this dump and gettin' you back to Knothole so we can deroboticize you." "Nobody's looking forward to it more than I am, Sonie, but until they've got the bugs worked out of the system, I'm needed here." "I know. But it still stinks!" "That's what I get for building a hideout in a garbage dump," he smiled. "Now scoot." Sonic gave his Uncle a hug, said "Be cool!" and jammed off into the twilight streets of Robotropolis. As he ran the well-known streets to the edge of the city, Sonic wondered how soon it would be before he could make good on his promise to Uncle Chuck. Some days, it seemed as if the Freedom Fighters of Mobius weren't making any headway against Robotnik. They were able to slow down Robotnik and his spoiling of the planet, but there still didn't seem to be a way of rolling it back and returning things to the way they were. These thoughts so preoccupied Sonic that he almost didn't hear the approaching whine of SWATbot patrols. He ducked down an alley just in time. He could hear the SWATbot intercom: "ALL UNITS IN SECTORS D4, D6, AND D7. ASSISTANCE NEEDED IN SECTOR D5. RESPOND IMMEDIATELY!" Strange. Usually there were enough SWATbots patrolling a given area to take care of anything. If they needed that much backup, they must be up against something big! Sonic couldn't resist--he had to check this out! Following the SWATbot hover unit from a discreet distance, Sonic trailed it to an area adjacent to the trash heap that was one of the Freedom Fighter rendezvous points. Afraid that one of his comrades was in danger, he cautiously approached to get a better look. He saw a number of SWATbots...at least a dozen...converging on someone, someone Sonic didn't recognize. It was a badger. He was tall and built like a barrel. Two leatherlike straps crossed his muscular chest and held up a belt from which hung two small hatchets. The badger was using a third ax--a double-headed ax on a long, stout pole--to ward off the SWATbots. He'd already destroyed several SWATbots with it, judging from the pieces on the ground. Sonic had heard that there were few things on Mobius as impressive as a badger in combat, but he hadn't really believed it until now. The badger didn't just lash out blindly as the SWATbots tried to approach. He made the most of every move, making sure that every backswing was at least as effective and as lethal as every thrust. But it was clear that the badger was beginning to tire and that the SWATbots would soon have him. The fact that the badger hadn't been blasted meant that he was supposed to be taken alive. Not if Sonic the Hedgehog had anything to say about it! "It's time to play 'Bowling for Bots!'" Sonic announced. The SWATbots turned. "HEDGEHOG--PRIORITY ONE! APPREHEND...." But the SWATbot never finished his sentence, for Sonic had gone into Sonic Spin mode and simply plowed into the SWATbots. A second later, only two were standing. "Stand back, big guy," Sonic said to the badger, "I've got to pick up the spare." Using the spin again, Sonic plowed into one bot, ricocheted off him and took out the other one. He turned back to the badger. "Are you OK?" But the badger didn't answer. Instead, his eyes narrowed and he pulled one of the smaller hatchets from his belt. Before Sonic could say or do anything, the badger hurled it in Sonic's direction. It missed the hedgehog, sailing over his head. The next thing Sonic knew, he heard a dull, metallic CLANG. He turned to see one of the SWATbots he thought he had taken out still standing, but it now had a badger hatchet buried in its head. It shuddered for an instant and then fell to the ground. Sonic turned to the badger, extending a hand. "Whoa, I owe you one, fella!" But the badger didn't say anything right away. He only looked at Sonic with a curious expression, as if he were coming out of a trance. "Sonic? Sonic Hedgehog?" he finally asked in a deep, smooth voice. "That's my name--don't wear it out." A broad smile slowly crossed the badger's face. "Sonic... Sonic, it's me! Spartacus!" The hedgehog's eyes widened. "No way!" he squealed. "Yes way!" The two embraced, which was easier for the badger who was half again as tall as Sonic. It was rather like a child hugging a doll, and Sonic came off the worse for it. When the badger loosened his grip, Sonic was still gasping for air. "Man," Sonic finally said, "you've gotten...HUGE!" "You think I'm big, you should see Adonis!" "Hey, we'd better get out of here before we tangle with any more bots." Sonic led Spartacus through the dump, down the twisting path known to the Knothole Freedom Fighters. Several minutes later, Sonic and Spartacus paused in the evening shade at the edge of the Great Forest. Waiting in the shadows were two figures: Tails and Antoine. "Sonique, what is the meandering of this? Who is this stranger?" "This 'stranger' was once my best bud when I was a kid. Spartacus, this is my pal, Tails. And that's Antoine." "Hi!" Tails said as he shook the badger's massive hand. Antoine, however, seemed even stiffer and more aloof than usual. "And wherefore were you doing in the dumps?" he asked the badger. "Making a mistake I'll never make again! For the last four months now, we badgers haven't been able to work our traditional mines in the hills north of the Great Forest because of increased SWATbot activity. As a result, we haven't been able to fashion new weapons. I thought I could find some high-quality metal to bring back to our smiths to forge into ax heads. Instead all I found was scrap. And then the SWATbots found me. I was fighting them off when Sonic showed up and saved my life." "How is it you are knowing Sonique?" "We go way back, Ant," Sonic began. "We were both like five years old when he came to Mobotropolis." "My family lived deep in the Great Forest with the other badgers of our clan. But about that time my father got very sick, and it was more than our healers could handle. So my mother, my brother Adonis and I brought our father to Mobotropolis, to the hospital." "And did they help him get better?" Tails asked. "My father was in the hospital for three months, but he never seemed to get better. Finally he died. That's when I got this," he said as he indicated a long diagonal scar across his chest. "I was cut to mourn his passing. "I'd never been in the city before and I guess it showed. I got teased pretty badly by some of the other kids. Until Sonic stood up for me." "Hey, it just seemed to me like you needed a friend." "And you were a good friend, Sonic. I...I only wish I could have told you when my father died. But we left Mobotropolis with his body at the first opportunity, to bury him with his fathers. This is our way. And as it turned out, we left the city two days before Robotnik took over." "Talk about your great timing!" Sonic said. "I wondered what happened to you; it was like you just disappeared." "When a badger dies, his family turns its back on the world for a time of mourning. But what about yourself, Sonic? How have you fared?" "Better than fair. We're freedom fighters, living in Knothole." The badger's brow furrowed. "Knothole? I've never heard of it." "It is just as well, for we are needing to keep it a secretion," Antoine said with more than a hint of nervousness in his voice. "In factuality, we must be returning there *tout suite*!" "But..." Sonic began. "I understand," Spartacus said. "I have to get back to the clan myself. But can you meet me here tomorrow at noon? So we can catch up on old times?" "No prob!" Sonic said, getting in a quick elbow shot to Antoine's ribs to prevent further interruption. "Fine. It really is good to see you again, Sonic. Until tomorrow, then." And with that, the badger turned and walked into the Great Forest. He moved with a speed and a quietness that belied his size, and he was soon lost from sight. "Hey, Ant! Who put the starch in YOUR shorts?" "About what are you talking?" "You know about what I'm talking! Spartacus was my bud, and you treated him like pond scum!" "We will see what the Princess has to be saying about this!" And with that, Antoine turned and headed back for Knothole. "Wow!" Tails whispered. "I've never seen Antoine so uptight before!" "Aw, he's just being his usual obnoxious self. Let's give him a head start; I'll bet you BOTH of us can still beat him back to Knothole." If Sonic had hoped that Sally would be more understanding than Antoine, he was in for a surprise when he returned to Knothole (after having left Antoine in his dust) and told Sally about his reunion with Spartacus. "And you believed his story?" was what Sally said. Sonic was shocked. "Of course I believed it!" Sally's brow furrowed. She consulted her hand-held computer. "Nicole, verify." "LATEST INTELLIGENCE REPORTS INDICATE INCREASED ACTIVITY BY ROBOTNIK IN THE MOUNTAINS NORTH OF THE GREAT FOREST. HIGH PROBABILITY THAT SUCH ACTIVITY WOULD DISRUPT TRADITIONAL BADGER MINING...." "That's enough, Nicole," Sally said as she closed up the computer. "So where's my apology, Sal?" "Don't hold your breath waiting for it, Sonic." "What's with you, Sal? This isn't like the time when we ran into Ari -- I KNOW Spartacus!" "Sonic, I don't want to believe you've forgotten EVERYTHING you ever learned. Don't you remember anything about the Clan Wars?" "The who?" "This is hopeless! Between the 24th and 28th centuries, the badger clans were split into two factions. One faction challenged the legitimacy of the House of Acorn to rule Mobius and waged war against it. The other faction defended the House of Acorn." "OK, so some of the badger clans and the House of Acorn didn't get along; so what?" "So during that time, there were six attempts made against the lives of members of the House of Acorn; four of them succeeded." "Sal, this is ancient history! What's all this got to do with Spartacus?" Sally paused for a moment. "Look, just promise me one thing: don't tell him or show him where Knothole is located." "C'mon, Sal, you know I'd never do anything stupid like that!" "Just promise, OK?" "OK, OK! All of a sudden I need some fresh air," he added as he dashed out of Sally's hut and headed for the pond. Antoine, who had heard most of the conversation, sat down on a nearby chair. "You were handling that very well, my Princess." "No I didn't." Sally sat down on the edge of her bed, her chin resting in her hands. "I totally blew it!" "What was it to be blowing?" "Antoine...I was afraid." "But you were having every reason...." "But what if Sonic's right? What if it IS all ancient history?" "Then I am supposing you are not having anything to be worried about to meet this friend of Sonique's." "Antoine, you're absolutely right!" Sally rose and, after giving Antoine a kiss on the cheek, left her hut to find Sonic. Antoine was confused by Sally's meaning, but having been on the receiving end of a kiss from her he didn't care that much. "Tell me again why you're doing this. Sal." Sonic and Sally arrived at the appointed spot just before noon. Sonic had been just as confused as Antoine about Sally's about-face on Sonic's meeting with Spartacus, but Sally still hadn't explained why she now insisted on accompanying Sonic to the rendezvous. "If I thought you could understand...." "Hey, try me!" "Not yet. When is your friend, uh..." "Spartacus." "Spartacus. When's he supposed to be here?" "I'm here now." Both Sonic and Sally jumped at the voice behind them. It was indeed Spartacus, this time with only one hatchet hanging from his belt. "Man, where'd you learn to be so quiet? And where'd you come from, anyway?" "Part of it is training in stalking; the rest comes naturally. As for where I came from, I came down that trail." Sonic looked for several seconds. "WHAT trail?" he finally asked. "There's always a trail, if you know how to look for one. It's all part of my training as a tracer -- one who follows tracks through the forest. The elders tell me I'm pretty good at it. But enough about me; who's your friend?" "Spartacus, this is Sally." "Pleased to meet you." For several seconds, Sally could only stare at him while three words ran through her mind: "Drop dead gorgeous!" "Likewise," she said finally. "I didn't know that you'd be bringing her, Sonic. Are you two...?" "No way!" "Spartacus," Sally broke in, "I came with Sonic because I need to know something. I need to know how your clan feels about the House of Acorn." Spartacus paused for several seconds. Sonic was sure he could see his old friend's face flush crimson. "It's to our...shame...that some badgers still want to fight the old battles. They're mostly old badgers who entertain old notions. The younger warriors, those of my generation, know that Robotnik is the true enemy. Why do you ask?" "Because I loved, and have lost, someone very close to the throne of the last Acorn King. And if this should get in the way of your friendship with Sonic...." "Don't worry about it," Spartacus said gently, resting a massive paw reassuringly on her shoulder. "When I deal with Sonic, I see only him. And when I deal with Sonic's friends, I see only that friendship and I respect it." "Thank you, Spartacus." "So, what is this 'Knothole' place you mentioned?" For the next several hours, Sonic and Spartacus reviewed for each other the lives they had lived since their parting as children. Sonic mentioned as much as he could about Knothole without giving away its position. He also failed to mention that Sally was, herself, of the House of Acorn, and that she had been speaking of her father earlier on when she spoke of her loss. Spartacus, for his part, described life among a badger clan. It was a rugged life with few physical comforts -- fewer, even, than Knothole -- and one given over to preserving the old ways of the clan. Yet Sally detected a note of disenchantment in Spartacus's voice. "I sometimes ask myself," Spartacus told her, "what the point is of learning to fight if there's no opponent to fight. Sonic told you of my encounter with the SWATbots; in some ways I was unprepared to fight them." "You didn't look that unprepared to ME!" Sonic chimed in. "Thanks, but we've never really trained to fight Robotnik or his forces. I feel there's much we can learn from your experiences." "Then why not fight by our side, and learn from us?" Sally asked. "Such a matter would have to come before our clan elders, many of whom still think the House of Acorn is the true enemy of badgers. They consider Robotnik to be something best left alone." "Well, why don't you kick some of those old guys out of their jobs?" "You don't know our ways, Sonic. The power they hold over the clan is due to their length of days and experience in combat. It will be a while before enough of them rest with their fathers for the old prejudice to become the minority view." "Man, I'd sure like to tell those old guys what's really happening to Mobius!" "Why don't you?" "Huh?" "Come visit the clan tomorrow evening, as my guests and as my friends. Put your case before them. The worst that can happen is that they'll reject your proposal." "Will they let us in?" Sally asked. "We ARE outsiders, and not of the clan." "You have also fought against Robotnik most of your lives. They will respect you for that, if for no other reason." Sally considered it for a few seconds. "Very well, then: tomorrow evening." She extended a hand and Spartacus took hold of it. "Agreed. Meet me back here an hour before sunset; I'll guide you to the clan myself." Soon, Spartacus had once more melted back into the Great Forest. "Come on, Sonic, let's get back to Knothole." "Nothin' doin', Sal." Sonic stayed rooted to the spot, his arms crossed in front of him. "Now what?" "Seems to me that someone here owes someone else here an apology." "You're right," Sally admitted, "I'm sorry I distrusted your friend. I shouldn't have been so suspicious." "That's better! Now, why can't you say that more often?" "Why can't you be right more often?" And the banter continued all the way back to Knothole. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 14:14:52 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id MAA13551 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:51:15 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id MAA13302 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:50:34 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25052; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:50:21 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id MAA23764; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:50:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199601301750.MAA23764@edmund> Subject: A Matter Of Trust: 2/3 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 12:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The following evening, there were four Knothole freedom fighters waiting for Spartacus. Sonic and Sally were joined by Bunnie and Antoine. Sally thought that the badger clan might not appreciate what would happen if they were to let Robotnik continue unchecked. So Bunnie was along as sort of a visual aid. Antoine, who had shared Sally's apprehension that the badgers would continue to keep the old grudge alive and might attempt to harm Sally if they learned she was of the House of Acorn, insisted on going along to protect Sally. Sally finally relented (over Sonic's strenuous objections). This was actually a second reason why Bunnie was coming along: to keep an eye on Antoine as he kept an eye on Sally. At the appointed time, Spartacus stepped noiselessly into the clearing. "Ooo-wee!" Bunnie whispered. "Sally-girl, you weren't half- kiddin' about them badgers! Ah hope they got a few more like this one!" "He DID say he has a brother." "You've brought quite a few friends, Sonic," Spartacus observed. "Yeah, well, we're kind of a team. You've met Sal and Antoine; this is Bunnie." Spartacus shook her hand and stared at her for a few seconds. "I don't understand; where's the rest of your armor?" "This ain't armor, sugar. This is little ol' me after Robotnik got his hands on me." "We were able to save Bunnie, but not before Robotnik did his share of damage. I'm hoping to convince the elders of the clan that they can avert this danger." Spartacus considered Bunnie for a few more seconds. "It may be difficult; some badgers would consider this an improvement." "It's not what you think. How can I put this so you'll understand? When a creature is roboticized, they're given a warrior's body but they're robbed of a warrior's heart." "Is this true?" "Yes. Once you're roboticized, you no longer have a will of your own; you can only carry out the bidding of Robotnik." "That IS a consideration. As long as you put it in those terms, there may be a chance the elders will listen to you." "Way to go, Sal!" Sonic whispered. "Thanks, but we haven't made our case yet." They walked on through the Great Forest, with Spartacus leading the way. Though the light was beginning to fail, the Knothole Freedom Fighters instantly recognized a small clearing they passed through several minutes later. Spartacus said nothing about it, but the others knew that they had just crossed a seldom-used trail that was a shortcut back to Knothole. They kept it in mind for future reference. It was just as the sun was setting that they heard sounds up ahead: deep and gruff voices speaking a strange tongue, the high- pitched cries and shouts of small children, and someone telling a cadenced story to the accompaniment of a simple skin drum. They knew from the way Spartacus lengthened his stride that they were nearing his home. The badger settlement was a seemingly haphazard array of stick-and-mud lodges built so that their doorways faced a central clearing. Small cooking fires burned in front of many of them, boiling the contents of iron pots. As Spartacus entered the clearing, conversation dimmed and all eyes turned on his guests. The Knothole Freedom Fighters didn't exactly feel welcome as the badgers silently scrutinized them. Sally saw one small boy, a mere toddler, holding tightly to one of his mother's leg with one hand while in the other hand he brandished a wooden spoon as if it were a sword. "Not exactly the red carpet treatment, is it?" Sally whispered to Bunnie. The mood changed appreciably as they were directed to Spartacus' hut. Outside, bent over a fire, was an elderly female badger who gave the travellers the first kind look they'd received so far. Forgetting about the contents of the pot, she walked up to them and took Sonic's hands in one of her own. "So your old friend has grown up, my son." "Yes, Mother. This is my mother, Diana." "Yeah, I remember you from when you were in Mobotropolis." "That was too many sunsets ago, I'm afraid," she chuckled. "But let's get your friends something to eat. Adonis!" Out of the hut stepped the impossible: a badger even larger and more powerful-looking than Spartacus. "Adonis, your brother's friends are here. Fetch bowls for them." "But Mother, I was on my way to target practice." "You can hurl axes with your friends after you've showed our guests some common courtesy." "They're not MY guests," he muttered as he retreated back into the lodge. He emerged a few seconds later with a stack of carved wooden bowls. Diana began ladling a thick stew into them and passing them to the Freedom Fighters. Sally noticed that there weren't any spoons or forks being passed around; a quick glance at some other families taking their evening meal confirmed her suspicion, and she began to scoop the contents out of the bowl with her hand, bringing it to her mouth. The others followed suit, the fastidious Antoine with the greatest reluctance. "This is very good, Diana," Sally said. "Thank you, child. And you may call me 'Mother' if it pleases you." "It's a common way of showing respect," Spartacus added. "Thank you, but it's because of what has happened to our own mothers and fathers that we're here. Spartacus, when can we speak to the clan elders?" "It's customary to wait until after the evening's festivities." "And even then you may not be heard!" someone croaked. Everyone turned around. An extremely old badger shuffled toward them, so old that two young males held up his arms on either side to enable him to walk. He stared at the Knothole residents with dark, beady eyes. "Sophocles!" Diana scolded, "you just about scared the life out of my son's guests." "As if that gives them the right to address the clan elders! I know why you're here. You can't fight your own battles, so you want us to do your work for you. Well, you'll get no help from us, I assure you!" He motioned with one hand to move off in another direction, and the two younger badgers changed course. "It's because we fight better than any animal on Mobius. We fight better. We hunt better. I can still smell a member of the cursed House of Acorn a mile away!" He rambled on in a similar vein until he was out of earshot. The Knothole Freedom Fighters exchanged a glance that communicated the same message: "It's a good thing he can't smell one any closer!" "Pay no mind to Sophocles," Diana assured the others. "When it comes to remembering the old glory of the clan, he's the worst of the lot." "I take it he's a clan elder," Sally observed, handing her bowl to Diana for a second helping. "The head elder. Who's the elder of your clan?" "We have none. We live together and fight against Robotnik together." "What is a 'Robotnik'?" "Robotnik isn't a what, he's a...." "Save it for the elders, Sal," Sonic said. The meal continued with polite conversation; the Freedom Fighters made sure the subject of Robotnik didn't come up again. It was going to be a hard enough sell to the elders if the rest of them were anything like Sophocles. Sonic helped Spartacus clean up after the meal -- the badgers considered this "sons' work" -- while the others left to take part in the evening's festivities before the meeting. The "festivities" of the evening, like every other evening, weren't organized. Some badgers took ax in hand and used a designated tree for target practice. Others engaged in a tug-of- war with a stout rope. Bunnie and Sally wandered over to a crowd of badgers and saw that they were arm-wrestling on an old tree stump. Adonis was among them. "You!" he barked, pointing to Bunnie. "Let's see what that arm can do." Amid the cheers of the badgers, Sally tried walking away. "C'mon, Sally-girl! They asked for it!" Bunnie demurely seated herself on one side of the stump while Adonis knelt on the other side. She offered her left hand to Adonis, who wrapped his own around it. At a signal, the contest began. At first it seemed as if neither contestant had heard the signal. But after a few seconds the crowd realized that both contestants were exerting equal strength and that neither had an advantage. Then the action began in earnest. For the next three minutes the momentum shifted from one to the other; just when Bunnie seemed about to pin Adonis, the badger would let out a roar and raise his hand from the stump, or Bunnie, her hand an inch away from the surface, would raise it up as slowly as a sunrise. One of the badgers tried declaring the contest a draw; most of the watching crowd disapproved of his attempt. They wanted a fight to the finish. Finally, after five minutes that seemed like an eternity, Adonis slowly worked Bunnie's hand to the stump. It barely grazed the wood but it was enough; Adonis was declared the winner to the cheers of the crowd. Adonis extended a hand to Bunnie, who shook it, then got up and began walking back to Diana's hut with Sally walking beside her. "That was very gracious of you, Bunnie," Sally whispered. "'Gracious,' mah bunny behind! Ah just about blew a gasket!" "You mean he actually beat you?" "Sally-girl, you do NOT want to get on the bad side of these here badgers! Sorry Ah let our team down," she added. "Look on the bright side; maybe they won't think your 'armor' is such a good thing after all." Antoine, meanwhile, had been content to watch several badgers engage in target practice using hatchets. Unfortunately, he was not content to simply watch. "Hey, Blue Coat!" one of the badgers yelled. "Let's see what you got!" "*Certainment*!" Antoine replied. He walked up to the line where the badgers had been standing; the target tree suddenly looked a mile away. Someone handed him a hatchet. It was then that Antoine discovered that a badger hatchet was a large ax to most Mobians. The thing must have weighed at least as much as he himself. But to his credit, he tried. Grabbing the handle with both hands, he hurled it with all his might. Unfortunately, all his might didn't amount to much and he managed to sink the axhead into the ground in front of him. He struggled to maintain his composure while the badgers around him roared with laughter. "You may have better luck with that one!" one badger said, pointing to a nearby ax resting on the ground, handle pointing straight upward. Determined to better his last performance, Antoine walked over to it, reached over behind his head, seized the handle and gave a tremendous heave. But Antoine's string of bad luck remained unbroken. The ax was a trick; the handle was only loosely fitted into the axhead and it came out cleanly. The momentum of Antoine's heave carried him forward and he landed flat on his face as the badgers once more burst into gales of laughter. Antoine still tried to salvage a measure of dignity from the debacle. "You are having some activities that are a bit more ...philosophical?" At this, a badger named Brutus laughed heartily. "Oh, so it's something 'philosophical' you want. Perhaps you'd like to engage in a little something we badgers call 'squaring the circle.'" "Ah, the geometricals! *Oui*, I would be enjoying that very much more." The badgers cleared a spot between four stout trees. Tying a rope to the trunk of one tree, they ran it around the other trees until it had formed a rough square. Brutus then stepped through the ropes into the center, motioning for Antoine to follow. As he did so, a crowd of badgers gathered around. Only then did Antoine discover that what the badgers called "squaring the circle" was a euphemism for no-holds-barred wrestling. Antoine scrambled to get out of the ring, but he was either pulled back in by Brutus, or if he did managed to get even halfway out another badger would pick him up by the scruff of the neck and throw him back in. Sonic, having finished helping Diana clear away the dishes, worked his way to the edge of the ring, where Sally joined him a second later. They had both heard Antoine's all-too-familiar scream, a signal that he had once more gotten in over his head. "Oh my gosh! Sonic, we've got to do something; he'll get killed in there!" At that moment, however, Antoine became aware that Sally was at ringside. In accordance with the logic of chivalry, this was Antoine's cue to attempt the impossible for the sake of his princess. He ran straight for Brutus, as if to tackle him. Antoine's attempt came to nothing; the badger simply put Antoine into a bear hug and practically squeezed the life out of him, then followed that up with a belly-to-belly suplex. The three-count to signal the end of the match was a formality. While Brutus acknowledged the cheers of the crowd, Antoine was picked up by the scruff of the neck and placed outside the ring. Sonic and Sally ran up to him, picked him up into an uncertain yet upright pose, and guided him back to Diana's hut. His eyes were wide open but unfocused. "Yo, Ant! You OK?" "*Sachez que je suis a votre disposition.*" "Say what!?" "*Je pars dans quelques moments.*" Having said that, he passed out. "Antoine!" "Forget it, Sal, nobody's home." They left Antoine to sleep it off and resumed watching the next wrestling match, this one between two badgers of similar size and strength. After a few seconds, though, someone stepped in front of them to block their view. It was Sophocles. "You thought I'd forgotten about you two," he croaked. "I may be old, but my memory is still good." "I'm sure it is," Sally said in a bid to be diplomatic. "I remember. I especially remember every injustice we badgers have suffered at the hand of the Acorn kings." "I'm sure other badgers have other memories," she replied coolly as she turned her attention to the match. "Yes, they remember the time before the Acorn kings, when the throne of Mobius was held in honor." Sophocles, too, kept his eyes on the ring. "Mobius hasn't been cursed with evil rulers; not until Robotnik, at any rate." "Even his rule is preferable to the cowards of the House of Acorn." "Then you'd rather see Robotnik on the throne than a member of the House of Acorn?" "I'd rather see the throne smashed! The Acorn Kings have thoroughly corrupted it!" It was a curious conversation that they engaged in. Both Sally and Sophocles kept their eyes on the wrestlers, never making eye contact with each other. This style -- known as "side talk" -- had evolved into a ritual language of mutual insults in the royal court of Mobius. If cool heads prevailed, such a conversation would NOT be a prelude to a duel. Clearly, however, this wasn't happening. Eventually, only a handful of badgers and the two wrestlers hadn't stopped to listen to the conversation. Antoine, who had sufficiently recovered his wits, had joined Sonic and Bunnie to listen as well. Both of them noticed that Antoine was pale with fright. "The House of Acorn has never been, and never will be, an honorable one! Only little cowards like yourselves would think otherwise!" That did it. Sally broke off the side talk, walked in front of Sophocles and looked him in the eye. "Then if only to shut your old mouth, I'm willing to take up the honor of the House of Acorn!" "A typical Acorn stratagem: to issue a challenge to an old badger!" "Then you can name your champion if I can name the place and time!" "Done! Adonis will be our champion. Name the place and time!" "In the ring! Right now!" Barely managing to control her temper, Sally pulled off her vest, unclipped Nicole from the top of her boot, wrapped the handheld computer in the vest and handed it to Bunnie. "Sally-girl, have y'all lost your mind!?" "Yeah, Sal, you saw what that one goon did to Ant! And Adonis is even bigger!! I say we juice!" "Relax," she whispered, "I know what I'm doing." "Girl, Ah hope so." Sally stepped into the ring where Adonis was waiting. Without any signal that the match had begun, Adonis charged straight for her. Antoine covered his eyes. A second later, however, the crowd of badgers let out a roar. Fearfully, Antoine looked up. Sally was still upright, knees slightly bent, her body tense and ready. Adonis was in one corner, flat on his back under one of the trees. "Sacre bleu cheese! What has been happened?" He got a chance to see what had happened, for Adonis charged at Sally once again. And just as the time before, Sally deftly stepped aside and, grabbing Adonis as he passed her, used his own momentum to propel him toward the far corner. Sonic and Bunnie resisted the urge to high-five each other. After two more tosses, Adonis found himself down on both knees. As he tried to get up, he put one arm behind him for balance. That was Sally's cue. Grabbing his wrist with one hand, she used her other hand to put pressure on his elbow, forcing it to bend in a direction it wasn't meant to bend. Adonis howled in pain; the crowd of badgers let out another roar. Sally knew that Adonis wouldn't submit to a simple armbar; she did it mainly to buy a few seconds of time to figure out what to do next. What she had to do next, however, was duck a rock that someone in the crowd had thrown at her. That was enough to cause her to release Adonis from the armbar. "Hey! That's not fair!" Sonic yelled out. But before he could say or do anything else, a number of badgers in the crowd turned toward him with very unfriendly looks. Sonic realized that if he said or did anything now he'd be in the middle of a full-scale badger melee. He shot a quick glance at Spartacus, who shook his head slightly. It was his way of telling Sonic that it would be a bad idea to say something like that again. Seething, Sonic backed off a step. Satisfied that Sonic wasn't going to protest further, the badgers turned their attention back to the ring. The situation inside the squared circle hadn't changed. Adonis continued to attempt a direct assault on Sally. And Sally continued to either duck out of the way or else use Adonis's momentum to hurl him to the ground. After about a minute more of this, Adonis let out a roar of frustration. The crowd of badgers grew silent. Then Adonis bellowed out one word which electrified the badger crowd: "Claw!" "What the hoo-ha's a claw?" Bunnie asked. "THAT," Spartacus said in a hushed tone, "is the Claw." A badger handed Adonis a cruel-looking metal glove, covered on the back with shining metal spikes. Adonis made a fist; to Sonic, it appeared that the Claw had more spikes than he had quills! Another badger poured a clear liquid over the Claw, as if to anoint it. "What's that stuff?" Sonic asked Spartacus. "Fire water." "What's it for?" "Just hope your friend doesn't find out." Another badger was now offering a second Claw to Sally. She took it from him and slipped it on; it practically came up to her elbow. "Sonic," Spartacus whispered, "if your friend continues the match now, she's either very brave or out of her mind." Just as another badger was about to pour fire water on Sally's Claw, however, she motioned him away with her free hand. Then, the tossed the Claw through the ropes to the outside of the ring, where its spikes drove into the ground. "That settles it, then. Your friend's out of her mind." Once more Sally faced off against Adonis. Adonis wasted no time; he lunged at Sally, swinging the Claw from side to side. Once Sonic thought that Sally had been cut, but she stayed on her feet. Finally, with a roar of frustration, Adonis raised the Claw high in the air and brought it down toward Sally, who again managed to dodge out of the way just in time. But Adonis had swung with such force that he buried the spikes of the Claw in the ground. He tugged at it once, but it wouldn't budge. Adonis was on his knees, his eyes level with Sally's. Sally knew she had to work fast. She hit Adonis with three spin kicks to the head in rapid succession, followed by a standing drop kick to the head. Adonis slumped to the ground unconscious, and his hand loosed its grip on the inside of the Claw. That signalled the end of the fight. Sally stepped out of the ring, to the sullen silence of the crowd. She started putting on her vest. "Let's get out of here," she said softly to the others. "I think I just wore out our welcome." Sonic turned and looked at Spartacus. The badger nodded his head slightly. And then the taunts started. "Get back here, runts!" "Finish what you started!" "Just like an Acorn to run away from a fight!" "Coward!" This last was the unmistakable voice of Sophocles. Sonic had heard enough. He was about to turn around and confront the old badger when Sally grabbed him tightly by the upper arm. "Let it go," she whispered through clenched teeth. "Just keep walking!" On they walked, Sally maintaining a fast pace. Finally she asked: "You think we're beyond their hearing?" "I think so, Sal, but...." "One, two, three four," she said as she began counting her steps out loud. "What's the deal, Sal?" "Just making sure, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty." At the count of twenty, Sally let out a cry like a pup and dropped to the ground, holding her abdomen. Her face was pinched in agony and tears flowed from her eyes. Her breath came in gasps and pants. "Sal! What's wrong?" "What is happening to you, my Princess?" But Sally was clearly in too much pain to answer. So Sonic scooped her up in his arms and, with Antoine hanging onto his neck and Bunnie hanging onto Antoine's, he juiced back to Knothole. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 14:37:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id NAA14282 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:03:11 -0500 Received: from peter.cs.andrews.edu (peter.cs.andrews.edu [143.207.1.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id NAA14268 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:03:00 -0500 Received: from edmund (edmund.cs.andrews.edu) by peter.cs.andrews.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25457; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:02:51 -0500 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Received: by edmund (SMI-8.6) id NAA24954; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:02:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199601301802.NAA24954@edmund> Subject: A Matter Of Trust: 3/3 To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 13:02:50 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Knothole apeared empty when they arrived, for everyone was inside fast asleep. Sonic skidded to a halt. He didn't dare let go of Sally, who was still trembling like a leaf in his arms. "Hey! Somebody! Anybody! It's Sally! She needs help!!" "We need help!" "Assistance! Assistance!" Light came on in some of the huts and freedom fighters came running. A crowd gathered around Sally, who seemed to be unaware of what was going on around her; she was aware only of her pain. Finally, Bookshire Draftwood managed to push his way through the crowd. "Get back!" he yelled. "Give her some room! Sonic, what happened?" "It happened all of a sudden. We were walking away from the badger village when it hit her...WHATEVER it is!" "She's holding her stomach. What did she eat when she was there?" "Nothing that Ant and Sonic and me didn't have as well," Bunnie answered. "OK, so it's probably not food poisoning. What else happened?" "Sal got in a fight with a badger." "What kind of fight?" So Sonic gave a short account of the wrestling match. When he spoke of the use of the Claw, however, Bookshire became even more interested. "Did you notice if the spikes on the Claw were coated with anything?" "Yeah, with some kind of water." "I was afraid of that. Sonic, Rotor, Bunnie, Antoine, you'll have to hold down Sally's limbs. If I'm right...." The four of them dropped to their knees, pinning Sally's arms and legs to the ground. Bookshire called for someone to bring a light, and Rotor handed him a flashlight from his toolbelt. Then the raccoon began gently parting the fur on Sally's belly. Immediately Sally started screaming at the top of her lungs, as if she were in the worst agony of her life. Bunnie was so frightened she was on the verge of crying herself. Finally, Bookshire found what he was looking for: three superficial scratches on Sally's abdomen, each one not more than an inch or two in length. The skin around them was a fiery red and blistered. "I thought so. We've got to get her to the pool!" The pool where the power ring generator was located was fed by several streams. The largest and most powerful stream cascaded over rocks rounded to smoothness by years of wear. It was to this point above the pool that Sally was taken. On Bookshire's orders, Sally was laid in the stream so that her body bore the full brunt of the stream. She gasped for breath for the first two minutes as only her head remained above the cold water. "Easy, Princess," Bookshire said gently, "try to slow your breathing. You don't need to hyperventilate." Gradually her breathing eased. "Man, what was THAT all about?" Sonic asked. "When you told me that they poured some sort of liquid on the Claw, that was the clue. The badgers call that liquid 'fire water.' It's distilled from a mixture of woodland leaves and berries and yields a powerful neurotoxin...." "Hey, you're starting to sound like Nicole!" "Is she gonna be all right, Booker?" "She'll be OK, Bunnie, but she'll have to stay in the stream until we're sure that the Fire Water under her skin has been diluted or flushed away. That could take a day or two. There's no known counteragent and no medicine strong enough to overcome the pain of the fire water." "It's not like a...poison or anything, is it?" "No, it's used to disable an opponent by distracting him with pain. It's not powerful enough to kill you, but just powerful enough to make you WISH that you were dead. It's probably not all that strong if you're a badger." "Well after seein' what they did to Sally, all Ah can say is Ah'm glad Ah ain't!" "Bunnie, you'd better stay with Sally until her condition stabilizes." "Try keepin' me away, Booker!" Bunnie didn't sleep the rest of that night as she kept watch over Sally as she lay in the stream. Sally's body might have adjusted to the cold water, but her mind was still overshadowed by pain. Occasionally Sally would cry out after moving too much, but she would soon settle back down again. Finally, toward morning, Sally was worn out from her physical ordeal, and the pain from the fire water had subsided enough to allow her to drift off to sleep. Even then, Bunnie kept watch over her friend. It was midday when Sally awoke. "Bunnie, where am I?" she murmured. "Doctor's orders, Sally-girl. Booker wants you to stay here until that fire water they put on the Claw is out of your system. How you feelin'?" "Like Robotnik's been sitting on me. I also feel incredibly stupid. How could I let Sophocles get to me like that?" "Girl, Ah'd have done the same if anybody'd trash-talked about MAH kin like that. Ah'm just glad to have you back." For the rest of the day, the two spent their time in conversation. So much of their lives was taken up in the fight against Robotnik that time to simply socialize was a luxury they couldn't always afford. Bookshire was their only other visitor, for he had cautioned the others to leave Sally alone until she was well enough to return to Knothole on her own. By the next morning, Sally was looking and sounding like her old self. Bookshire told them that Sally had apparently weathered the storm and could return to Knothole. Sally stiffly rose up out of the water, climbed to the bank where Bunnie had left Sally's boots and vest, shook herself as dry as she could, then lay down on a flat rock in the sunlight to finish drying off. Sally began to chuckle. "What're you laughin' at, Sally-girl?" "I was just remembering the last time I was here. It must have been...four summers ago, wasn't it?" "Yeah, Ah remember. That had to be the hottest summer Mobius ever had!" "I remember feeling so miserable in the heat, and I knew that my fur wasn't going to get any thinner. Finally I couldn't stand it any more and I came up here to lay down in the water. I'm not a water animal myself, but even I have to admit that it felt so good just to lie here and be out of the heat! It was so comfortable I must have drifted off to sleep. "The next thing I knew, Sonic and Tails came by to collect the day's power ring. I was so startled when Tails said 'Hi!' I jumped up out of the water. And then I saw Sonic staring at me like he'd never seen me before. Then I realized why: my fur--or what was left of it--was clinging to me like another skin. I've never been so embarrassed in my life!" "Ah guess poor Tails was too young to appreciate what he was seein'." "What about Sonic? He couldn't look me in the eye for three days after that!" And both Sally and Bunnie dissolved into laughter. "Oh, Bunnie," Sally said at last, "I needed a good laugh!" "After what them badgers put you through, Ah'd need one, too!" "I don't get it, though. I've been going over the whole situation with the Clan Wars in my mind. There have been clashes in the past and misunderstandings, but there have also been individual badgers who have been fiercely loyal to the Royal House and who served it with honor, even to the death. But even during the Clan Wars, no badger ever went so far as to suggest that the monarchy be dissolved! I just can't get over Sophocles' saying that the Acorn Throne was corrupted and might as well be smashed. Something about his words just doesn't sound right, but I can't figure out what." "Well, like Sugar-hog said, it's all ancient history." "By the way, where IS Sonic?" Sonic was walking at a slow pace. That in itself was a novelty. But he didn't feel like running. He was walking back toward the clearing on the edge of the Great Forest where he had met with Spartacus. He remembered how happy he was to be reunited with his childhood friend; then he remembered how everything had gone sour in the badger camp. Even if the news was good and Sally was going to recover, Sonic still couldn't understand why things had gone so wrong. He approached the clearing, so depressed that he didn't look to see if anyone was in there. He stopped short, because someone was in there. It was Spartacus, seated on the trunk of a fallen tree. "Spartacus? What're YOU doing here?" "Sonic, I was hoping you'd come. Is your friend Sally all right?" "Yeah, she's gonna be OK. How long you been here?" "Since yesterday morning." "Say what!?" "Sonic, I feel just awful about what happened. I had no idea that Sophocles had become so inflexible." "Yeah, well, I didn't know Sally would get in the ring with your brother. How's he doing?" "He's fine. He told me that he respected your friends' abilities in combat." "He said that?" "No, what he said was: 'Too bad they're not badgers.' That's the closest he's ever come to paying a non-badger a complement." "Anyone else feel that way?" Spartacus' silence was all the answer Sonic needed. "Here," Spartacus finally said, "give this to Sally when you see her." With that, he handed Sonic a rough-woven canvas bag, tied with string at the top. A paper tag hung from the end of the string. "What's in this thing?" "I'd rather you give it to Sally as is." "Oh. OK." Sonic turned to go. "Sonic!" "Yeah, what?" "I...I'm truly sorry." "Hey, it's cool. Later." Sonic arrived back at Knothole a short time later, but nobody seemed to be interested. Instead, everyone was clustering around Princess Sally, whom Bunnie had accompanied from the pool. Even though Bunnie and Antoine had each answered dozens of questions about the badgers and about the fight, everyone wanted to hear about it from Sally. What she said wasn't exactly good news: "No, I don't think we can rely on the badgers of that clan as freedom fighters. Not only do they live pretty much to themselves, but their hatred of the House of Acorn appears to be as deep as ever." "Yo, Sal!" Sonic called out. The crowd of Mobians surrounding Sally parted and Sonic walked toward her. "You feeling OK?" "Much better, thanks. Where have you been?" "I was talking with Spartacus in the clearing. He was really bummed by what happened, and he said for me to give you this." Sonic handed the bag to Sally. She spotted the paper tag at the bag's neck. She tore it off and set the bag down on the ground. "Sonic, how come there's no writing on this tag?" "Huh?" "What's in that bag, anyway?" "He didn't say." "Anyone else smell that?" Bookshire asked. "Yeah," Tails said. "What IS that?" Rotor sniffed the air. "Smells like...pine tar." "Pine tar?" Bookshire picked up the bag. He placed his hand against it and immediately jerked it away. "Everybody back off! This thing's hot!" Everyone backed away. Everyone, that is, except Sonic. Taking the bag from Bookshire, he bolted from the clearing, returning two seconds later. "No problemo, guys. I pitched that thing into the Great Swamp." Everyone started to congratulate Sonic, but Sally seemed lost in thought. Then, borrowing a rangefinder from Rotor, she ran toward a nearby tree. "Where do you think you're going?" Bookshire called after her. "You SAID I needed some exercise after all that time flat on my back!" she called back as she began climbing. In a few seconds she was lost from sight, only to reappear a few more seconds later on her way down. "What was THAT all about, Sal?" Sonic asked. "We've got trouble, Sonic." "Hey, I ditched that bomb, remember?" "I wondered why we hadn't heard an explosion if that really was a bomb, so I went up to have a look." "So what'ja see?" "I saw a huge column of black smoke rising from the Great Swamp. I also saw two of Robotnik's hover units converging on the site, and another two on the horizon. "Sonic, I don't think that bomb was meant to blow up and harm anyone. I believe it was a smoke bomb, meant to betray our position to Robotnik and to lead those hover units straight to Knothole." This was sobering news to the residents of Knothole, for whom the secrecy of their location was a tactical strength. Sonic took the news hard. His expression went from shock to deep hurt to boiling anger. "OK, THAT'S IT!!" he yelled, and tore off into the woods without a word of warning. The others began to pick themselves up off the ground, having been left in Sonic's wake. "Oh my gosh," Sally said, "I've never seen Sonic so angry about ANYTHING before!" "Ah'd hate to be those badgers when Sugar-hog gets there!" "I think Sonic's going to be the least of the badgers' worries," Bookshire observed. "Why?" Sally asked. "Because if that smoke bomb was indeed Robotnik's idea, and if Robotnik has four hover units loaded with SWATbots in the area, those badgers are going to have some explaining to do." "INCOMPETENT!" Sophocles roared at Spartacus. "Your mission failed!" Sophocles stood in the center of the assembled badgers of the clan. That morning, when Spartacus had returned without the sack, the badger elder had issued a call to arms for all able- bodies badgers of the clan. The call went through the clan like a bolt of lightning. Weapons were gathered and sharpened, anticipation ran high. But now two young scouts had reported that the smoke column they had been sent to follow originated, not in some village, but in the heart of the Great Swamp. Sophocles didn't take the news well. "It failed!" he repeated. "How then are we to have our revenge against those who sympathize with the House of Acorn?" "Revenge!?" Adonis spoke up, as all eyes turned to him. "Revenge for what? They harmed no one here except myself, and even then the damage was only to my pride. What cause have we to fight them?" "Because they represent the House of Acorn. They are an impediment to the rule of Mobius by its rightful overlord." "And just who is this rightful overlord, Sophocles? Yourself?" "I speak of...Ivo Robotnik." There were several seconds of stunned silence. That name had never crossed the lips of Sophocles before. Adonis, baring all his teeth in a snarl, picked up a nearby ax. "You withered old traitor!" he yelled as he hurled the ax at the old badger. Sophocles, however, tossed aside the two younger badgers who had been supporting him as if they were nothing. He caught the ax in mid-flight before it could strike him. Then, with no warning, he hurled it back at Adonis, where it struck him in the chest. He was dead before he hit the ground. Diana began to scream, as did every other badger. Anyone who could pick up a weapon did so and began to rush toward Sophocles. It was a badger melee. But the melee was short-lived, for suddenly the woods surrounding the badger encampment erupted with blaster fire. SWATbots began emerging from the woods, shoulder to shoulder. The melee ended as swiftly as it had started, with five more badgers dead. Sophocles now strode to one of the SWATbots with a youthful vigor the badgers had never seen before. The SWATbot carried a communicator, and Sophocles began speaking into it: "Can you hear me, Dr. Robotnik?" Those badgers close enough to Sophocles could hear Robotnik's malevolent voice on the communicator: "Have you begun the attack on Knothole yet?" "Negative. The smoke bomb was diverted to the Great Swamp, and resistance to you among the badgers is still strong. I had to order the SWATbots to attack the village. Your plan appears to be infeasible." "BLAST IT!" Robotnik cursed, then spoke in a more measured voice: "Never mind, then. Select the strongest of the badgers and roboticize them; if they won't fight for me, they'll at least slave for me." "And the others, Dr. Robotnik?" There was a pause. "Do you think I really care what happens to the others?" "Understood, Sir." Handing the communicator back to the SWATbot, Sophocles strode to Spartacus who, like Diana, was bent over the fallen Adonis. He seized Spartacus by the throat and lifted him to his feet. "Now you shall pay for your incompetence!" He released Spartacus, who was grabbed by two SWATbots. Spartacus was too overcome by shock and grief to resist. The SWATbots took him to the edge of the village, where a portable roboticizer unit had been set up. They began to raise the glass chamber to place Spartacus inside. Suddenly the glass shattered into a thousand shards as something passed through it at incredible speed--something indistinct excerpt for its color. It was a deep blue. Whatever it was didn't stop as it ricocheted off one SWATbot after another with sufficient force to knock it to pieces. The SWATbots found it impossible to target the object in order to blast it. None of the badgers could follow it with their eyes. Finally, all of the SWATbots lay in pieces on the forest floor. The blue blur came to a stop a few feet in front of Sophocles. It was Sonic. Sophocles swiftly took up a nearby battle-ax. Sonic simply fixed a stare filled with hate at Sophocles. "Take your best shot!" Sophocles raised the battle ax above his head. The instant he did, however, Sonic went into spin mode and ran not just into but through Sophocles' body. And now the badgers could see that Sophocles was no badger, but a replicant--a mechanical likeness. The body twitched and sparked and leaked hydraulic fluid onto the ground. Sonic returned to the body, took the battle ax from Sophocles, said: "This one's for Acorn!", cut off the replicant's head and drop-kicked it into a nearby fire. The badgers were silent as Sonic looked around him. "Don't everybody thank me at once!" He might as well have said: "Don't anybody thank me at all," for that's just what the badgers did. They paid no attention to Sonic. Instead, they looked to another elder of the clan, named Eumenides. "We must leave this place. We will establish a new home in the Great Forest. Let us be off. Leave no trace." Immediately, silently, the badgers began gathering their weapons and their household goods, dismantling their lodges and extinguishing their fires. Sonic couldn't believe it! He turned to Spartacus. Spartacus' eyes--eyes full of anguish--met Sonic's. In his hand, Spartacus held a small hatchet, its blade dulled with fresh blood. And across his chest a fresh scar bled freely. Then, as if there were nothing more to say, he bent down next to Diana and helped to bury his brother. Sonic stayed in the clearing for the entire five minutes it took for the badgers to break camp. Spartacus, with Diana leaning on his arm, was the last to leave. He looked back at Sonic as if to say something, then turned away. Sonic was left alone, surrounded by pieces of SWATbots and by the graves of the badger dead, buried where they had fallen. No sound could be heard inside the hut except for the scratch of a pencil on paper. Sally was at work decoding a message from Uncle Chuck. When she had finished, she took the piece of paper and went outside. The first person she saw was Tails. "Do you know where Sonic is, Tails?" "Uh-huh. He's at the pond. You want me to get him?" "No, I want to talk to him myself. I just got a message from Uncle Chuck." "You think it'll cheer him up?" "I hope so, honey." Sally found Sonic sitting by the pool, looking at nothing in particular. Just as he'd been doing for most of the past seven days, ever since he walked sullenly back into Knothole with his account of the fight in the badger village. Sally sat down next to him. "Sonic, I just received a reply to my message from Uncle Chuck." Sonic continued staring at the pond, as if he hadn't heard. "He says that according to the computer records he was able to search, a badger answering the description of Sophocles was apprehended by SWATbots three months ago. And he reports that Robotnik had indeed prepared a replicant to take his place in the clan." Sonic continued ignoring Sally. She seated herself directly in front of him. "Sonic, this means that Robotnik fooled all of us, including the badgers of the clan. He must have wanted to infiltrate the clan, win them over by persuasion, and have the makings of an army of roboticized badgers at his command. You broke up his plan just in time." Sonic continued to ignore her as he simply sat and stared. Sally realized that Sonic wasn't about to reply. She decided to sit next to him. He'd talk when he was ready, which was a couple of minutes later. "Sal, I...I can't figure out why. I thought we could be friends again, like when we were kids. He must have known about the smoke bomb. I...we were supposed to be friends. Why did he do it?" "I don't know, Sonic. The Sophocles replicant probably convinced him that what he was doing was for the good of the clan." "C'mon, Sal, that's a bogus reason to do anything like...." "Like betray a friend?" Sonic nodded. "Maybe to us it is, but I think I know what he must have been going through." "Oh, yeah? How?" "Remember, I grew up being told that I'd one day have to make decisions that would affect all of Mobius. Even in Knothole, Julayla wouldn't let me forget. Believe me, it's not as easy as it looks. I don't think it was any easier for Spartacus, either." "Get real, Sal! It's not the same thing." "When you get right down to it, it is. It all comes down to making choices. And some are more difficult than others." "Yeah, well..." Sally got to her feet. "Come on, let's rejoin the others." Silently, Sonic got to his feet and began walking with Sally back to Knothole. "Hey, Sal, you never told me you knew how to wrestle like that." In reply, Sally hooked her right arm around Sonic's left arm, and swept his left leg out from under him with her right. They both fell backwards onto the ground, but while Sonic was still recovering from the surprise Sally sprang to her feet. "You never asked," she said. Then laughing like a schoolgirl, she began running back toward Knothole. "Oh, so you want to play!" Sonic got to his feet and prepared to run rings around the Princess. "Sonic! Sally!" It was Tails, heading toward them from Knothole. From the tone of his voice, Sonic knew something was wrong. "What's up, big guy?" "The bridge. Hurry!" was all Tails said. Sonic didn't waste time with further questions, but sped toward the bridge. When he got there, he stopped. A small cluster of freedom fighters stood near the end of the bridge. On the other side across the river stood a stranger. This was an alarming development, since Knothole was supposed to be a secret. But the figure at the far end of the bridge just stood there. And he wasn't a stranger to everyone there. It was Spartacus. To Sally, there was something intensely sad about him; he looked smaller and more vulnerable than when she had seen him before. He had two hatchets hanging from his belt and held a battle ax in his hand, but the battle ax trailed behind him like the tail of a wounded animal. In fact, that was the word that flashed across Sally's mind as she looked at him: wounded. Sonic, however, bristled at the sight of him. Pushing his way through the crowd of freedom fighters gathered at the near side of the bridge--a discourtesy he had never shown before--he strode across the bridge. Sally, sensing what was about to happen, motioned for Bunnie to follow her back to her hut. "What do YOU want?" Sonic asked Spartacus. There was no mistaking the contempt in his voice. In answer, Spartacus knelt on the ground before Sonic, a gesture no badger would make to any other animal. "Your forgiveness." "You think you can get off that easy? You sold me and my friends out to Robuttnik, or you TRIED to!" "I know; I don't deserve..." "What I deserve is the Fathead of the Year Award, for thinking we were still friends." "Sonic, please...." "You KNEW there was a smoke bomb in that bag! You KNEW that Robuttnik was looking for us! And you still acted like...like we were still buds!" Sonic's voice began to choke up. "Yes, I admit I knew about the bomb, but..." "No 'buts.' Get out of here and go back to the rest of the badgers." "I can't." "What do you mean, you can't?" "I...I've renounced the clan." "What's this supposed to be, another scam?" "This is no trick, Sonic. I've renounced my ties to the badgers of our clan." "And I suppose that made Diana real happy!" he said sarcastically. "It was for her sake that I did it. The clan elders were preparing to denounce our family as sympathizers with the House of Acorn. My self-imposed exile was the only way to prevent that." "Gimme a break!" "It's the truth!" "So now you found us. What're you gonna do, rat on us to Robuttnik the first chance you get?" "No!" "How...how can I trust you anymore? I've got a whole village full of people here I've come to trust. And if I thought there was a chance of you betraying us one more time, I swear I'd...." Sonic let the sentence go unfinished, not only because he struggled with what he was going to say--that he would kill Spartacus himself to keep him from betraying Knothole--but because he noticed that Spartacus' expression had changed. He no longer looked forlorn and helpless; now he looked like he had just seen a ghost. Sonic turned around and followed Spartacus' gaze. The crowd of freedom fighters gathered at the other side of the bridge parted and Sally walked through them. But this was a Sally Sonic had never seen before...or, if he had, it was only in his dreams. She wore a long blue hooded robe lined with scarlet and embroidered with gold thread. The wind caught the cape and swirled it around, and Sonic could see that embroidered on the back as well as over the heart was the symbol of the planet Mobius: a serpent embowed about to bite its own tail. On her head was a simple golden tiara. These were items that Sally hadn't planned on wearing until her coronation, but she wore them now with a gravity that filled everyone with awe. Sally approached the two, then brushed past Sonic as if he weren't there. She looked hard at Spartacus and said nothing. "You mean you're...?" Spartacus began. "You are addressing Sally Alicia, Princess Royal of the House of Acorn and heir to the throne of Mobius." It was the formal language of the court. Spartacus was at a loss for words. "Princess, I...I didn't know...." "Silence! You sought to deliver the Princess Royal into the hand of our enemies. Your actions have been treasonous. How do you plan to atone?" Spartacus said nothing. He reached to draw an axe from his belt and several Mobians gasped. Yet Spartacus offered the axe, handle first, to Sally, before kneeling on the ground before her with head bowed low. He bared his neck in the process. Just as suddenly, without saying a word, Sally raised the axe and brought it down with a resounding thud... ...an inch from the badger's head. "Please get up," Sally said gently as she touched Spartacus' shoulder. The badger lifted his head. "You were ready to give your life to prove your sincerity, and I accept the offer. You have a home here." Spartacus rose to his feet. "If you wish it," Sally continued, "we can get a message to the new badger settlement for Diana, telling her that you are well and that you have joined our fight against Robotnik. Your mother shouldn't have to mourn the loss of both her sons." "Thank you," he whispered. "I only wish I knew of a way to persuade the other badgers." "There's only one way: by fighting together against Robotnik, we'll prove the elders wrong." They made their way toward Sonic, still standing dumbfounded at the end of the bridge. "Until we can find you permament quarters," Sally said, "you'll need to lodge with one of our most experienced freedom fighters: Sonic the Hedgehog." "Uh, Sal, I don't think I..." "You'll learn!" Sally snapped. Without another word, she strode back across the bridge, passed the stunned freedom fighters who had gathered on the far side, entered her hut and closed the door. "Quick," she said to Bunnie once she was inside, "tell me what they're doing? I can't bear to look." "Well, neither of them are saying anything. They're just kinda lookin' around. Now Sugar-hog is saying something Ah can't make out, and Spartacus is sayin' somethin' back, and now Sonic is saying something." "Is that it?" "Wait a minute. Now they're crossing the bridge. Together." Sally sighed with relief and let herself lean backwards against the door. "You wanna tell me what the hoo-ha you were doin' out there?" "I remembered something I said to Sonic a while ago: that I should have trusted his taste in friends. Something told me that Sonic would never have befriended a badger who was an undying enemy of the House of Acorn. I needed to know for myself, and to demonstrate to Sonic, that that was so. So I put these on to gauge Spartacus' true feelings." "Well, Ah'm just glad to see Sugar-hog not lookin' like he'd lost his best friend." "He almost had. Now help me out of these things. I really don't feel comfortable wearing them." "If you ask me, Sally-girl, they fit you perfect." THE END From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 16:03:59 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id PAA24290 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:10:41 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id PAA24285 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:10:38 -0500 Received: from acmex.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmex.gatech.edu [130.207.165.22]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA03571 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:10:35 -0500 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Kris Kelley) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmex.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA20964 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:10:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199601302010.PAA20964@acmex.gatech.edu> Subject: Why why *WHY*??? To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:10:33 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3276 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Sigh... that's it. I've had enough. We had a good thing going on here, but in my eyes, we blew it. Several times over. When I first got into Sonic stuff, just over a year ago, we had a great cartoon show, a decent comic book, some great fan-fic stories written by a handful of authors, and a developing RP saga on FurToonia. What do we have now? The show is gone, the RPing is in, what, it's third attempt now, and still coming apart at the seams? And the fan-fic? *sigh* The fan-fic has a reputation that, in case you don't realize, extends pretty far out into the net.world. Several RL friends around me, who are not into Sonic and don't know much about it, have had plenty of stories and rumors to circulate. I asked one of them what all he'd heard. He knew I had written some of these stories myself, so his answer was, "You don't want to know, but it would be a good idea to quit now." So many people have jumped on the bandwagon intent on throwing their own characters (if not *themselves*) into the bunch, that there are all these stories out there that serve as little more than a cry of "Hey, look at me, I'm here too now!" or maybe a cry of, "I'm better than Sonic! I can save Mobius by myself!" I had a talk with a friend of mine once about what makes good fan-fic. It's the same thing that make the original material good: decent storywriting and a decent plot that involves the characters we all know and love, not all these add-ons. Maybe that's why many people here site "Bloodlines" (Dan Drazen) and "The Temporal Syndrome" (Shawn Wolski) as their favorite stories: they are some of the best examples of writing that I have seen, and they revolve around Sonic, Robotnik, and the other central characters. Any additional characters (such as Sandy) are there for the story, not the other way around. But is this what most of the recent fan-fic has been like? No. Even my first stories don't fit this mold. I was caught up in it with the rest of us. And now, it seems there are authors who want to explore what the Sonic characters might be doing (or will be doing) in their bedrooms. WHY?? Good grief, is it *that* titillating? That's not what these characters were created for, and, whether it's legal or not, if I was the person or one of the people that created Sonic, Sally, Tails, and the other characters, I would be insulted by this to no end. It would really baffle me that these people can't create their own characters and their own universes to write these fantasies about, that they have to go and use my characters, whom I had created for the purpose of telling G-rated stories, to get their kicks. Well, like I said, I've had enough, and if nothing else, you won't have to hear me rant and rave about this any more. Ratman, please unsubscribe me from this list. Bookshire, please remove my stories from your web-site. Goodbye. -- *******Kris Kelley gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu toledo@cc.gatech.edu******* * "And if that's what you have in mind... yeah, if that's what you're * * all about... good luck moving up, 'cause I'm... MOVING OUT!" * * ---Billy Joel * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 18:25:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA07765 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:58:36 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA07760 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:58:34 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA23638; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:58:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? In-Reply-To: <199601302010.PAA20964@acmex.gatech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net If anyone else would like to leave, do us all a favor and don't bitch about it on the list like this guy did. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 18:59:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id SAA08118 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:05:26 -0500 Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com [38.8.56.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id SAA08112 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:05:21 -0500 Received: from pipe10.h1.usa.pipeline.com by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id XAA28438; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:03:02 GMT Received: by pipe10.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/SMI-5.4-PSI) id SAA17001; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:00:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:00:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199601302300.SAA17001@pipe10.h1.usa.pipeline.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) X-PipeUser: SirKain X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Eric Goodwin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Jan 30, 1996 15:10:33, 'gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Kris Kelley)' wrote: >a handful of authors, and a developing RP saga on FurToonia. As for the furtonia RP, the big problem with it being like the show, is because some of the main character names are being used, and those using them either arent on or just do not wish to TP. :/ >jumped on the bandwagon intent on throwing their own characters (if >not *themselves*) into the bunch, that there are all these stories out there >that serve as little more than a cry of "Hey, look at me, I'm here too now!" >or maybe a cry of, "I'm better than Sonic! I can save Mobius by myself!" ...Guess you're right on that part... I made Kain, but not to get him all the attention away from Sonic or the others... Thats why i'm taking so long on making another story: I want the stories to be more focused on Sonic and the crew; not Kain. >I had a talk with a friend of mine once about what makes good fan-fic. >It's the same thing that make the original material good: decent >storywriting and a decent plot that involves the characters we all know and >love, not all these add-ons. Maybe that's why many people here site >"Bloodlines" (Dan Drazen) and "The Temporal Syndrome" (Shawn Wolski) as their >favorite stories: they are some of the best examples of writing that I have >seen, and they revolve around Sonic, Robotnik, and the other central >characters. Any additional characters (such as Sandy) are there for the >story, not the other way around. But is this what most of the recent fan-fic >has been like? No. *nods* You've made another point there I didnt see before... And yes those two stories are prolly the best i've ever seen in Sonic material. Well, i'm sorry you're leaving, but its your choice. *shrug* Kain From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 22:36:44 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA22080 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:47:00 -0500 Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (shawnl@starbase.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.6.26]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id VAA22071 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:46:53 -0500 Received: (from shawnl@localhost) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA00986; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:46:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 20:46:51 -0600 (CST) From: Mouse To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Ratman wrote: > If anyone else would like to leave, do us all a favor and don't bitch > about it on the list like this guy did. Thanks. Actually, it seemed to me he was pointing out what he thought was wrong with the Sonic fan scene in specific terms which falls within the guidelines for posting to this list correct? Certainly more than this post and too many others to bother counting. And it was less inflammatory than your reply was. I don't understand the fascination people seem to have with twisting well- defined characters into a perverted reflection of their own adolescent fantasies either. The Sonic characters were originally developed for kids (the creation of the universe after the game I mean,) so let's try and keep them that way so that many more may enjoy them. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Tue Jan 30 22:51:30 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA20959 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:39:55 -0500 Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id VAA20954 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:39:48 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id VAA11450; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:39:45 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199601310239.VAA11450@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:39:45 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Hey, people. I figured (since I've wandered into the risque' on a few occasions) that I'd better set forth my hat into the ring before the iron gets cold, knowwhutImean? IMO, a healthy boyfriend-girlfriend (or whatever) relationship is not purely mental in basis. Sure, it's usually best if such a relationship *is* grounded firmly in mutual interests and whatnot, but let's face facts; we're mammals. We don't reproduce by budding, okay? We're sexual animals, after all, and we all feel the primal urge at one time or another. Naturally, this should be fodder in any realistic look at Mobius for a few stories. I'm not saying that should be *all* that one focuses on, before you get the revolver out and plug me...but you can't just *ignore* it, either. It's a part of human (and Mobian) nature to desire physical and mental love, fellas. Unless you're a monk or a professional harem guard, you're gonna eventually feel Nature's tug when the vixen^H^H^H^H^H mate of your dreams walks by. Also, there's a difference between a good sexual drama and "smut". Smut is stuff you see in "Hustler" and "Penthouse" in the letters section. All sex, no backstory, pure smut. A sex drama has sex in it, sure...but there's a *reason* for it in the story. That, and it's written in a bit more tasteful fashion. (Every stroke of the male organ and every yelp from said mate isn't quite necessary to make a story "sexy". It just makes it "nauseating".) And, IMO, "Tail" was written well enough to qualify as a coming-of-age story in its own right. It didn't get overly detailed about some of the aspects of sexual reproduction, it didn't make one's stomach turn... hell, it was pretty friggin' funny in a few places. Kudos to the author of it; I wish *I* could have written it first. And that's all I've got to say about that. Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 00:10:48 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id XAA28198 for sonic-ll; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:22:13 -0500 Received: from anvil.gatech.edu (root@anvil.gatech.edu [130.207.165.41]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id XAA28192 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:22:10 -0500 Received: from acmez.gatech.edu (gt6005a@acmez.gatech.edu [130.207.165.24]) by anvil.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA20168 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:22:08 -0500 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Kris Kelley) Received: (gt6005a@localhost) by acmez.gatech.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA24784 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:22:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199601310422.XAA24784@acmez.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' To: sonic@bort.mv.net Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:22:07 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199601310239.VAA11450@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> from "Joseph Delacroix" at Jan 30, 96 09:39:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2544 Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net > IMO, a healthy boyfriend-girlfriend (or whatever) relationship is not > purely mental in basis. Sure, it's usually best if such a relationship > *is* grounded firmly in mutual interests and whatnot, but let's face > facts; we're mammals. We don't reproduce by budding, okay? We're > sexual animals, after all, and we all feel the primal urge at one time > or another. Naturally, this should be fodder in any realistic look > at Mobius for a few stories. But that isn't what these characters were created for. Understand this: Mobius and its inhabitants exist in *fiction*. How they act and what they do is entirely up to the creators of these characters. To fly off the handle and have these characters doing what the authors never intended for them to do, and then try to cover it in the shroud of 'realism'... that feels very cold. > I'm not saying that should be *all* that one focuses on, before you get > the revolver out and plug me...but you can't just *ignore* it, either. If the original creators choose to ignore it, it is ignored. If you want a more 'realistic' look at how a a sentient male hedgehog and a sentient female squirrel would react to each other, then how about creating your own characters to do so? Leave Sonic and Sally out of it. > It's a part of human (and Mobian) nature to desire physical and mental > love, fellas. I'll believe that when the characters creators say that. > And, IMO, "Tail" was written well enough to qualify as a coming-of-age > story in its own right. It didn't get overly detailed about some of > the aspects of sexual reproduction, it didn't make one's stomach turn... > hell, it was pretty friggin' funny in a few places. Kudos to the author > of it; I wish *I* could have written it first. > Maybe so. Again I feel the it should have been written with original characters. later---Kris -- *******Kris Kelley gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu toledo@cc.gatech.edu******* * fnord-42-froinlaven-cowabunga-the truth is out there-get out-spin dash * * are you pondering what I'm pondering?-welcome to the next level-yars!! * * finish him!-i hope i've shown you how to treat a lady-i'm a character! * ************************************************************************** * "Don't care what people say / Just follow your own way." - Enigma * * "I'm not sure that the world would be ready for 2 of me!" - P. O'Toole * * "Life: Am I taking this too personally?" - me * ************************************************************************** From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 01:03:36 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id AAA02598 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:35:50 -0500 Received: from unix.infoserve.net (unix.infoserve.net [199.175.157.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id AAA02593 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:35:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (bradc@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA06109; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:36:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 21:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Clark Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? To: sonic@bort.mv.net cc: sonic@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199601302010.PAA20964@acmex.gatech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Kris Kelley wrote: > Sigh... that's it. I've had enough. > > We had a good thing going on here, but in my eyes, we blew it. Several > times over. Definately, I see that things are getting back to the way they were about a month ago...(when I commented the first time) > When I first got into Sonic stuff, just over a year ago, we had a great > cartoon show, a decent comic book, some great fan-fic stories written by > a handful of authors, and a developing RP saga on FurToonia. > What do we have now? The show is gone, the RPing is in, what, it's third > attempt now, and still coming apart at the seams? And the fan-fic? *sigh* > The fan-fic has a reputation that, in case you don't realize, extends pretty > far out into the net.world. Several RL friends around me, who are not > into Sonic and don't know much about it, have had plenty of stories and > rumors to circulate. I asked one of them what all he'd heard. He knew > I had written some of these stories myself, so his answer was, "You don't want > to know, but it would be a good idea to quit now." So many people have > jumped on the bandwagon intent on throwing their own characters (if > not *themselves*) into the bunch, that there are all these stories out there > that serve as little more than a cry of "Hey, look at me, I'm here too now!" > or maybe a cry of, "I'm better than Sonic! I can save Mobius by myself!" ditto! Sonic fandom is getting to be quite embarrassing lately...this is not what I'm here for. I haven't read ANY fan-fic since bloodlines...and by the sounds of it...anything after that isn't worth reading except for the minute few. > me that these people can't create their own characters and their own > universes to write these fantasies about, that they have to go and use my > characters, whom I had created for the purpose of telling G-rated stories, > to get their kicks. It ain't that hard people....if you are creative enough to write the story, you can invent your own characters. > Ratman, please unsubscribe me from this list. > > Bookshire, please remove my stories from your web-site. > > Goodbye. > Cut it out people or I'm leaving too....and that goes for all the unreleased sonic pics I've got sitting on my HD as well...I'm not supporting any more of this garbage. Appologies to those who have been doing the 'proper' type of fan-fic...(the presentable kind) Do not bother flaming me, as I will simply ignore you. Brad / Orwin. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 04:44:21 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id DAA13997 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:34:47 -0500 Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com (ix12.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id DAA13992 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 03:34:44 -0500 Received: from Miles' World by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AAA07255; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:34:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 00:34:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199601310834.AAA07255@ix12.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: danramos@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Dan Ramos Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net At 11:22 PM 1/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >> And, IMO, "Tail" was written well enough to qualify as a coming-of-age >> story in its own right. It didn't get overly detailed about some of >> the aspects of sexual reproduction, it didn't make one's stomach turn... >> hell, it was pretty friggin' funny in a few places. Kudos to the author >> of it; I wish *I* could have written it first. >> >Maybe so. Again I feel the it should have been written with original >characters. Heh, now Kris knows I am one to LOVE a good argument But I gotta totally agree with him on his entire sentiment. I just can't imagine the creators of these charcters wanting to even KNOW that their characters are being warped in peoples minds this way. This is also one of the reasons why I made my OWN characters for drawing and such--for one, they're MINE! :) Secondly so that I wouldn't hafta draw Sonic in his USUAL poses and expressions. If I wanted something a bit tired looking or depressed--well, my OWN character(s) can be that way and it wouldn't be totally out of character for them since *I* made them and know them best. I can imagine my own character, Miles, gutting out a computer and building a new and improved Commodore VIC-2000. But Sonic? Would be as out of character for him to do that as some of these fanfics have gotten. :P My 2 cents, folks! :) OH! also, gotta side with Kris on this one too, Rat dewd. :P Seems to me that criticising the fanfics ARE part of the mailing list. :) From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 07:24:53 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id GAA23948 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:45:50 -0500 Received: from piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.16]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id GAA23848 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:45:45 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id GAA15064; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:45:42 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199601311145.GAA15064@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:45:42 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Kris, aka gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu sez: >> IMO, a healthy boyfriend-girlfriend (or whatever) relationship is not >> purely mental in basis. Sure, it's usually best if such a relationship >> *is* grounded firmly in mutual interests and whatnot, but let's face >> facts; we're mammals. We don't reproduce by budding, okay? We're >> sexual animals, after all, and we all feel the primal urge at one time >> or another. Naturally, this should be fodder in any realistic look >> at Mobius for a few stories. > >But that isn't what these characters were created for. Understand this: >Mobius and its inhabitants exist in *fiction*. How they act and what they >do is entirely up to the creators of these characters. To fly off the >handle and have these characters doing what the authors never intended for >them to do, and then try to cover it in the shroud of 'realism'... that feels >very cold. Okay, I'll accept some of that. One shouldn't try to completely change around the direction of the character when one writes a story about him/her, after all. That's just common sense. What I *do* think is "fair use" is trying to make their relationships a bit more real, and make them act a bit more mature than the usual Manak fare. Yes, it has gone a bit over the edge at times, but "Tail" (at least in MY opinion) was pretty pedestrian compared to what it COULD have done. However, I see where you're coming from, Kris. You have a certain perception of the Sonic universe; I have my own, Bookshire has his, etc etc. If you don't like a fanfic story, you can always not read it. Nobody's forcing you to download it, or page through it, or even look at the title. The little warning label was there at the top of the story, in the description, and in the blurb the author posted to the list. Censorship is bad. Even though I didn't like the porno pics, I'm quite angry that Bookshire had to take them off. Even though I don't like all of the stories on his page, I'd yowl like a speared cat if so much as *one* was taken off because of content. And I'm sure you wouldn't want THAT. >> I'm not saying that should be *all* that one focuses on, before you get >> the revolver out and plug me...but you can't just *ignore* it, either. > >If the original creators choose to ignore it, it is ignored. If you want >a more 'realistic' look at how a a sentient male hedgehog and a sentient >female squirrel would react to each other, then how about creating your >own characters to do so? Leave Sonic and Sally out of it. Kris, the "original creators" of Sonic the Hedgehog were a bunch of crusty coder-dudes in Redmond (or whereever) that were making a cool game to keep Sega from getting whooped by Nintendo. Everything else sort of branched out of that. C'mon, Kris, Sonic was just a corporate sponsor before us fanfic people started giving him *soul*. We have done most of the maturation of the characters; yes, Archie and Fleetway have paved the way for us, but we continually take these characters to new levels of...well, coolness on a monthly basis. I really don't understand why you're becoming so irate about this. I can see the reasoning, I can understand the argument, but I can't understand *why* this one fanfic story has lit your candle so. >> It's a part of human (and Mobian) nature to desire physical and mental >> love, fellas. > >I'll believe that when the characters creators say that. The people who made these characters are probably off working on "Virtua Fighter II" or something. Cut us some slack. >> And, IMO, "Tail" was written well enough to qualify as a coming-of-age >> story in its own right. It didn't get overly detailed about some of >> the aspects of sexual reproduction, it didn't make one's stomach turn... >> hell, it was pretty friggin' funny in a few places. Kudos to the author >> of it; I wish *I* could have written it first. >> > >Maybe so. Again I feel the it should have been written with original >characters. Hey, your opinion, not mine. >later---Kris Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 08:41:14 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id HAA29181 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:59:03 -0500 Received: from mail (root@canal.iaw.on.ca [204.225.37.33]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id HAA29176 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:58:59 -0500 Received: from nb1-25.iaw.on.ca by mail with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thc7j-000D3HC; Wed, 31 Jan 96 07:58 EST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 07:58 EST X-Sender: butcher@iaw.on.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: butcher@iaw.on.ca (Paul Lapensee) Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Yes why... The cartoon was great, nothing came close to it. The first sesion was darker then the second. Robotnik was dark and evil, very smart, just one problem the freedom fighters. The cartoon went on freedom fighters aganst robots. Even through they could blow up a station or two the problem still remained. Swatbots where replaced as fast as they where distroyed, bulidings took longer. Some freedom fighters ever so often got cault and roboticized. It looks like there was little hope in this war. The only thing that keep them from giving up was a hedghog named Sonic and a Princess by his side named Sally. They where the main driving force of this battle, they would never give up. They would die if needed to save Mobus. Aside from that it was fun. Bunnie a victum of an incomplete roboticization, uses her disfigured body to fight along side the freedom fighters. The first sesion has alot of Bunnie. The second session very little she became a player in the back ground. Rotor uses his skill to help them in the both and second session equaly. Antione a very usless wind bag who is used as comic relif most of the time. Tails was keeped a bit in the back ground, because he was too young to fight alond side Sonic. The second session he does more. The second session seem to focus on Sonic, Sally and a bit of Robotnik. It was used as a history lession most of the time. Robotnik has lost most of his self control in this session. It appears that Sonic and the freedom fights are realy starting to get on his nerves. There is a big battle at the end, and it looks like Robotnik is gone for good. Snively his helper takes over of whats left of Robotnik's empire. The TV show get cut short of answering that burning question. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? And people wonder why people like us don't just give up on this hole Sonic bussiness. Because we don't want to. Every wants to get into the story by creating storys. Some write true Sonic story others write there virsion. Even some create storys that include them selves. I find that there is nothing wrong with this idea. If you don't want to read them then don't. I like a good story as much as every one else. Weather it be true Sonic or not. My only wish is that ARCHIE improves SONIC storys. After all TMNT is better then the show ever was. Why can't this happen with SONIC, what is holding them back? If they would only read Bookshires storys and page. And use this as a starting point for the comic. The freedom fighters start chearing. "FOR A BETTER SONIC COMIC!" I feel better now thank you for listening. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 10:36:15 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA08605 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:52 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA08600 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:49 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA13980; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:55:48 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Brad Clark wrote: > Cut it out people or I'm leaving too....and that goes for all the > unreleased sonic pics I've got sitting on my HD as well...I'm not > supporting any more of this garbage. Appologies to those who have been > doing the 'proper' type of fan-fic...(the presentable kind) Do not > bother flaming me, as I will simply ignore you. I don't think I like this childish trend of "if I don't get what I want, I'm leaving, and taking my ball and going home". It's your right to complain about it, but it's just plain annoying to try to throw your power around. Talk to the authors of the offending fanfic. They might even agree with you! If you don't like the way some fanfic is being written, why not just NOT READ IT? Complain to the author of the story, don't take it out on the list. And as far as your unreleased Sonic pics, I'd love to have them, but don't hold them hostage. That's just stupid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 10:56:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id JAA07480 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:48:48 -0500 Received: from granite.mv.net (rat@granite.mv.net [199.125.70.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id JAA07468 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:48:45 -0500 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA13803; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:48:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:48:44 -0500 (EST) From: Ratman To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' In-Reply-To: <199601310422.XAA24784@acmez.gatech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Kris Kelley wrote: > > IMO, a healthy boyfriend-girlfriend (or whatever) relationship is not > > purely mental in basis. Sure, it's usually best if such a relationship > > *is* grounded firmly in mutual interests and whatnot, but let's face > > facts; we're mammals. We don't reproduce by budding, okay? We're > > sexual animals, after all, and we all feel the primal urge at one time > > or another. Naturally, this should be fodder in any realistic look > > at Mobius for a few stories. > > But that isn't what these characters were created for. Understand this: > Mobius and its inhabitants exist in *fiction*. How they act and what they > do is entirely up to the creators of these characters. To fly off the > handle and have these characters doing what the authors never intended for > them to do, and then try to cover it in the shroud of 'realism'... that feels > very cold. I don't see what the big deal is. Why can't people have imaginations? Why do fanfic writers have to stick with what the origional authors intended? I can understand you not wanting to read about it, but you are acting like it's somehow "wrong" that fanfic writers get off course. > > It's a part of human (and Mobian) nature to desire physical and mental > > love, fellas. > > I'll believe that when the characters creators say that. Again, why does it matter what the creators say? Would it be better if they put a big disclaimer at the top saying "non-standard Sonic universe" ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 12:31:22 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA15519 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:45 -0500 Received: from use.usit.net (use.usit.net [199.1.48.3]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA15514 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:43 -0500 Received: (from acme@localhost) by use.usit.net (8.6.10/8.6.9) id LAA21188; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' In-Reply-To: <199601311145.GAA15064@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: Organization: Rebel Alliance of Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Joseph Delacroix wrote: > Kris, aka gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu sez: > > >If the original creators choose to ignore it, it is ignored. If you want > >a more 'realistic' look at how a a sentient male hedgehog and a sentient > >female squirrel would react to each other, then how about creating your > >own characters to do so? Leave Sonic and Sally out of it. > > Kris, the "original creators" of Sonic the Hedgehog were a bunch of crusty > coder-dudes in Redmond (or whereever) that were making a cool game to > keep Sega from getting whooped by Nintendo. Everything else sort of > branched out of that. C'mon, Kris, Sonic was just a corporate sponsor > before us fanfic people started giving him *soul*. We have done most of > the maturation of the characters; yes, Archie and Fleetway have paved > the way for us, but we continually take these characters to new levels > of...well, coolness on a monthly basis. I, personally, am not all that intrested in exploring the more intimate aspects of Sonic's and Sally's relationship. I know there would likely be intimacy if they were live beings and chose to marry each other, but I'll let them enjoy their relationship in the privacy of their bedroom. But my lack of interest does not give me the authority to make up someone else's mind on the subject. It's OK to suggest an opinion to someone and attempt to sell them on the idea, but don't make their decision for them. I think the original creators' wishes (if known, not second-guessed) should be respected, but you have to remember that the characters are "out there". If you're so attached to your character that you can't bear the thought someone might use him/her/hir/it in a way other than what you intended, you should probably reconsider exposing that character to the public. You can't stop someone from thinking "naughty" thoughts about your character (short of killing them) even if you could stop them from writing or drawing your character into compromising positions. If Sonic's original creators were to speak up and tell us they are repulsed by the "plain brown wrapper" material, those of us who respect their original work need only gather 'round and support the writers and artists who also respect the creators' wishes and spurn those who don't. > The people who made these characters are probably off working on > "Virtua Fighter II" or something. Cut us some slack. You're probably right. Sega isn't really developing Sonic et. al., and DIC certainly isn't. Archie and Fleetway are, but only at a trickle with a few issues per year and made none easier by difficult international availability of both publishers' books. Any new books from Troll Associates? Not that I know of. If the characters aren't developed by "official" persons to satisfy the fans (read: market), someone is going to come along and do it -- and you can't depend upon third party developers making the same decisions you would when implementing your characters. The fan writers are sort of in the same league as those who developed Linux, except they write for humans instead of a CPU chip. And whether it's Sonic or Unix, they're freely offering their time and effort to contribute to a universe (or operating system) not of their original design. I don't think AT&T (the original creators of Unix) would agree with everything that's been done in Linux -- especially Linux's price (free). The fan writers fill in the gaps left by the "orginal" sources just as Linux opens Unix to those who don't want to (or can't) drop hundreds or thousands of dollars for a copy of "real" Unix; both fulfill a need that had not before been satisfied. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW21 WAR++ P&B+ SL++++i SK+++ RI++^ RU+ GDF BU++ MI- MM- Dpo P+ $+++d E59b Ay68M \ StH JJ1 Son+ Sal++ Tal++++t Nic+i P++ Dopw $+++ E25 Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 12:37:12 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id LAA18358 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:54:59 -0500 Received: from uno.canit.se (optimus@uno.canit.se [193.13.228.1]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id LAA18353 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:54:54 -0500 Received: (from optimus@localhost) by uno.canit.se (8.6.10/8.6.10) id RAA11952; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:54:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:54:52 +0100 (MET) From: Iggy Drougge X-Sender: optimus@uno To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' In-Reply-To: <199601310422.XAA24784@acmez.gatech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Kris Kelley wrote: > > IMO, a healthy boyfriend-girlfriend (or whatever) relationship is not > > purely mental in basis. Sure, it's usually best if such a relationship > > *is* grounded firmly in mutual interests and whatnot, but let's face > > facts; we're mammals. We don't reproduce by budding, okay? We're > > sexual animals, after all, and we all feel the primal urge at one time > > or another. Naturally, this should be fodder in any realistic look > > at Mobius for a few stories. > > But that isn't what these characters were created for. Understand this: > Mobius and its inhabitants exist in *fiction*. How they act and what they > do is entirely up to the creators of these characters. To fly off the > handle and have these characters doing what the authors never intended for > them to do, and then try to cover it in the shroud of 'realism'... that feels > very cold. Well, ther are already boy- and girl-friends in the Sonic universe, as well as kissing and "babes", so it just seems a natural expansion. You may ignore it if you wish. > > I'm not saying that should be *all* that one focuses on, before you get > > the revolver out and plug me...but you can't just *ignore* it, either. > > If the original creators choose to ignore it, it is ignored. If you want > a more 'realistic' look at how a a sentient male hedgehog and a sentient > female squirrel would react to each other, then how about creating your > own characters to do so? Leave Sonic and Sally out of it. If you leave yourself out of it, everyone involved would be happy, the author, the reader, and you. > > It's a part of human (and Mobian) nature to desire physical and mental > > love, fellas. > > I'll believe that when the characters creators say that. They have already, although more subtlely. > > And, IMO, "Tail" was written well enough to qualify as a coming-of-age > > story in its own right. It didn't get overly detailed about some of > > the aspects of sexual reproduction, it didn't make one's stomach turn... > > hell, it was pretty friggin' funny in a few places. Kudos to the author > > of it; I wish *I* could have written it first. > > > Maybe so. Again I feel the it should have been written with original > characters. Tails has to come of age one day or another, he's already 10. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 17:41:32 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id RAA11798 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:13 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id RAA11793 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:09:08 -0500 Received: from ip206.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa16097; 31 Jan 96 17:05 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Message-ID: <9601311705.aa16097@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net >But that isn't what these characters were created for. Who are we kidding? The characters were created for one purpose only: To make money. When Sonic was first introduced back in '91, what do you think the Sega executives were thinking about? How to create a cute, magical, wonderful character in order to make the world a better place? I think not. They wanted us to enjoy it, because: our enjoyment=their profits. >How they act and what they do is entirely up to the creators of these characters. To fly off the >handle and have these characters doing what the authors never intended for >them to do, and then try to cover it in the shroud of 'realism'... that feels >very cold. If somebody else were actually doing something progressive with these characters, I might agree with you. However, since the games have been put on hold and the show has been cancelled, I really don't think the creators would care what we do with them now. Does anybody even know who these people are? I really don't think it makes any difference, considering that SEGA owns the rights to them, anyway. Also, how do you know what the creators originally intended? For all we know, SEGA bought the rights to the characters from some cartoonist who was using them as logos for his on-the-side pornographic video store. As ridiculous as this sounds, the question remains, how do we know? >>I'm not saying that should be *all* that one focuses on, before you get >> the revolver out and plug me...but you can't just *ignore* it, either. > >If the original creators choose to ignore it, it is ignored. If you want >a more 'realistic' look at how a a sentient male hedgehog and a sentient >female squirrel would react to each other, then how about creating your >own characters to do so? Leave Sonic and Sally out of it. I disagree again. If everything which is considered different, new or invalid were ignored, the human race would never had advanced anywhere. Do you think that the famous inventors in history just had a brilliant flash and went and built something? Of course not. They tried many, many different things, often using discarded ideas of others. That's the key to all of this. The fan-fic authors are trying new ideas, which no one has done before, or ideas which someone MIGHT have thought of before. Whether someone agrees with the content or not is everyone's own personal choice. I haven't read the story yet, so I cannot make a judgement on it. I can enjoy any story, from Jack and Jill to War and Peace. If a story is pornographic, fine. If it's content is intended for "mature" audiences, fine. It just better have the story to back it up. This is true whether a story is controversial or not. If it's good, I like it. If the plot is full of holes and the story is just uninteresting, I don't like it. Sex adds points to the plot, it doesn't create the plot. Based on what I've heard, the story "Tail" involves Tails coming of age, including the aspects of sexual maturity. As I said before, I enjoy the stories which have a serious tone to them, so I'll probably enjoy this one. Come on people, puberty and adolescence are very natural segments of all of our lives. There is nothing wrong or dirty about it. I find it amazing that discussing this stage of our growth, which has such a profound influence on us, is taboo. Just my thoughts... -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 20:09:51 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA22178 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:33:03 -0500 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com (mail04.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.53]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA22173 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:32:57 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA10214 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:32:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:32:26 -0500 Message-ID: <960131193224_411607185@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Game Codes Request Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net I finally got Sonic CD and _had_ the codes for it. Unfortunatley, I don't have it now, when I *need* it!! "Murphy's law is absolute!!" Please E-Mail me with a copy... David G. From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 20:29:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id TAA22201 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:33:40 -0500 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id TAA22196 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:33:35 -0500 From: DGonterman@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA22768 for sonic@bort.mv.net; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:33:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:33:03 -0500 Message-ID: <960131193302_411607712@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net may i consider this to be a down time in the Sonic Mailing List? [hiding behind a rock with a fire extinguisher to advoid flying 20-point fireballs] I would admit as much as anyone, sex is a *very* touchy topic for writers, expecially with Sega's crackdown and my brush with (((Sonia's))) parents. [Read "A Time for Honesty" for my response. It's on my web page.] As for Violence, I won't exactly *deny* it in my stories. Heck, it's in the pracking *title* ["Blood and Metal"] for crying out loud. However, is you would notice, I keep the violence exclusively aimed at the poor shmoes who desparately deserve it; my target's are primarily Swatbots, Packbell on occasionally, maybe Snively and even >gasp< Ro-Butt-Nik ("FLAME HIM FOR THE TWENTY" SWWWWWOOOCHHHH!!). Never at the freedom fighters... My two bits. . . . If you don't like sex or violence, I just have to ask you: Just what the flying phrack are you *doing* in the Net? David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<<<<------Get BAMned!!!! From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 21:19:35 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id UAA25790 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:15:10 -0500 Received: from vivanet.vivanet.com (vivanet.vivanet.com [204.176.82.2]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id UAA25784 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:15:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:15:08 -0500 Received: from ip175.vivanet.com by vivanet.vivanet.com id aa19220; 31 Jan 96 20:11 EST X-Sender: mpenna@pop3.vivanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sonic@bort.mv.net From: Matt Penna Subject: Whiners Message-ID: <9601312011.aa19220@vivanet.vivanet.com> Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Why are some people all of a sudden whining and complaining whenever people disagree with them? I thought that this was a list for discussion. How can you have a discussion when everybody thinks the same way? Just stick in a chorus of "Me too's" and get on with it? What fun. Since some of you feel that the Sonic Universe is being ruined and that you want no part of it, I have to remind you that we're not holding you here. You can leave if you want. I like hearing people state their opinions, but trying to impose your values upon others is just...stupid. I can't put it any other way. If you want to leave, just go. Don't try to encourage any of us to join you. What is this, a rebellion? Just my thoughts... -Matt From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 22:07:49 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA00777 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:27:20 -0500 Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id VAA00772 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:27:17 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id VAA22986; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:27:13 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602010227.VAA22986@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:27:13 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ratman, aka rat@rat.org, said: >On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Kris Kelley wrote: [well, he didn't write the stuff I deleted] >> But that isn't what these characters were created for. Understand this: >> Mobius and its inhabitants exist in *fiction*. How they act and what they >> do is entirely up to the creators of these characters. To fly off the >> handle and have these characters doing what the authors never intended for >> them to do, and then try to cover it in the shroud of 'realism'... that feels >> very cold. > >I don't see what the big deal is. Why can't people have imaginations? Why do >fanfic writers have to stick with what the origional authors intended? I can >understand you not wanting to read about it, but you are acting like it's >somehow "wrong" that fanfic writers get off course. I wholeheartedly agree. Censorship is bad. >> > It's a part of human (and Mobian) nature to desire physical and mental >> > love, fellas. >> >> I'll believe that when the characters creators say that. > >Again, why does it matter what the creators say? >Would it be better if they put a big disclaimer at the top saying >"non-standard Sonic universe" ? Actually, it usually does. Mostly, the Alternate Universe stuff has the more "mature" themes in it, from my observations, while the main universe has more "purist" works. Not to berate either class, but merely an observation. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub >------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 23:03:09 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA04802 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:20:20 -0500 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [198.68.32.51]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id WAA04797 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:20:17 -0500 Received: from usr3.primenet.com (root@usr3.primenet.com [198.68.32.13]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA03625 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rotor@localhost) by usr3.primenet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA14978; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:20:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 20:20:15 -0700 (MST) From: Bookshire Draftwood To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' In-Reply-To: <199602010227.VAA22986@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Joseph Delacroix wrote: > Actually, it usually does. Mostly, the Alternate Universe stuff > has the more "mature" themes in it, from my observations, while the > main universe has more "purist" works. Not to berate either class, > but merely an observation. > I tell you what, why don't I clarify that... I put stories in the alternative universe section because they conflict with somethings that's already been stated in the main universe (or, sometimes, I can't really see them happening in the main universe) Here's a few reasons why I put stories in the alternate section... they support the idea of robotization poisoning the bodies of it's victims (Yes, Dan, it's certainly a possible, and probably accurate side-effect, but I jsut got a little edgy about having it in the main section) they state origins of characters that conflict with stories in the main section that have previously established origin of said characters... they present events that would conflict with events in the main universe (i.e. -- Sandra+Ryan in the main univers and Sandra+Joseph in the alternate) (Sorry, Joe...Ryan got to it first. ;) ) Those are the real main reasons...as for the rest, it's simply a matter of if I feel comfortable enough to put it into the main (and yes, Joe, pure and more traditional) universe. In fact, lately I've been rethinking a few stories, so I may move some up into the main pretty soon...hope I don't confuse too many people. Take care all and may Robotnik never develop space travel...for all our sakes! =) +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 23:05:18 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id WAA04204 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:02:35 -0500 Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id WAA04198 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:02:32 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id WAA08309; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:02:29 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602010302.WAA08309@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:02:29 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Why why *WHY*??? Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net The BAM person, DGonterman@aol.com, said: [mass deletia] And now, my warning. Ratman, I am really, really sorry, but this is going to be off-topic. Forgive me. I'm going to sate my yearn to spew venom on this subject, but I will request any further replies to this go directly to the parties involved. This is an issue I have a personal truck with, so you're just going to have to humor me. The below flame is totally unrelated to StH fandom. I suggest all those who don't want to hear my libertarian diatribe on the true nature of the Net vs. AOL stop reading now. This will be my only comment on it to the list. Again, my apologies about sending this to the list, but I've ignored comments like these for too long. ^L Anyway, Gonterman said: >My two bits. . . . If you don't like sex or violence, I just have to ask you: > >Just what the flying phrack are you *doing* in the Net? David: Contrary to the endless stream of garbage being produced by Hollywood, the mass media, the various idiotic perceptions of Exon's "Blue Book" (which, by the way, the contents of which were illegal ten years before) and the great majority of the "ME TOO" posters on the alt.binaries.* and alt.2600 newsgroups regarding acquisition of porno and various copies of the LoD technical manual from a certain domain that I will not speak the name of, sex and violence are NOT *NOT* N-O-fragging-T the main products of the Internet. It is a well-known fact to most people who roam the darker corridors of the Internet (and its popular offspring, the WWW) that porno and bomb-making files are a real pain in the arse to acquire if you do not know EXACTLY where to look. Even if you use the mighty Lycos search engine and hit Archie and Veronica, it takes a good deal of technical prowess to find most of the more...dangerous underground works. Famous works of literature? Two clicks away from anywhere. Anime pages? Three. Government documents, encyclopedias, cool robot arms, all a few clicks away from most places. But porno and bombs? A bit harder, and far, FAR, less prevalent. Also, on a less pressing issue, please stop taking the name of Phrack in vain. It was one of the great e-zines. It doesn't deserve the degredation of being a cuss word. =) >David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] >http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<<<<------Get BAMned!!!! And that's all I've got to say about that. Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Wed Jan 31 23:28:10 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id VAA01514 for sonic-ll; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:43:34 -0500 Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (hk512@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with ESMTP id VAA01509 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:43:31 -0500 Received: (hk512@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.12+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) id VAA00283; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:43:29 -0500 (from hk512) Message-Id: <199602010243.VAA00283@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:43:29 -0500 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Mr. OS/2 , aka acme@use.usit.net, said: [editage] >> ...branched out of that. C'mon, Kris, Sonic was just a corporate sponsor >> before us fanfic people started giving him *soul*. We have done most of >> the maturation of the characters; yes, Archie and Fleetway have paved >> the way for us, but we continually take these characters to new levels >> of...well, coolness on a monthly basis. > >I, personally, am not all that intrested in exploring the more intimate >aspects of Sonic's and Sally's relationship. I know there would likely >be intimacy if they were live beings and chose to marry each other, but >I'll let them enjoy their relationship in the privacy of their bedroom. >But my lack of interest does not give me the authority to make up someone >else's mind on the subject. It's OK to suggest an opinion to someone and >attempt to sell them on the idea, but don't make their decision for them. Exactly. While I don't like some of the stories on Book's page, I would be the first to stand up and yell my head off if Sega or anyone else tried to get it removed on the basis of content. It's just the way I am, y'see. I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Censorship is bad. Bad, bad, bad. It's not good sense, good business, or psychologically healthy to force someone to express their thoughts in a way that *you* dictate. After all, that's how they *win*... >I think the original creators' wishes (if known, not second-guessed) >should be respected, but you have to remember that the characters are >"out there". If you're so attached to your character that you can't bear >the thought someone might use him/her/hir/it in a way other than what you >intended, you should probably reconsider exposing that character to the >public. You can't stop someone from thinking "naughty" thoughts about >your character (short of killing them) even if you could stop them from >writing or drawing your character into compromising positions. Another point I agree with. Personally, the only things I have about people utilizing Joseph in their fanfic are timeline gumups and little errors in character development. This is why I usually avoid including my character in other people's writing...I've got Joseph's adventures loosely planned out for the next several arcs, and I don't like crossovers gumming up the works. >If Sonic's original creators were to speak up and tell us they are >repulsed by the "plain brown wrapper" material, those of us who respect >their original work need only gather 'round and support the writers and >artists who also respect the creators' wishes and spurn those who don't. I've got to write the fence a bit on this one. For one thing, Sonic's original creators, most likely a group of coders, have really left the blue guy to blow around in the wind creatively for a good, long time. Archie and Fleetway've had their way with him, as well as a goodly number of fanfic writers. It's like the American colonies after the French and Indian War; the salutary neglect of the character (the colonies) have given the stand-in creative influence (the people of the colonies) a feeling of psudocontrol (the desire for independence) over his destiny. Therefore, any attempt by the long-absent creators (the British Empire) at Sega to interfere with our setup would cause a big ol' fight. And you know what? Unless the story was personally offensive to myself, I'd pass the ammunition. >> The people who made these characters are probably off working on >> "Virtua Fighter II" or something. Cut us some slack. > >You're probably right. Sega isn't really developing Sonic et. al., and >DIC certainly isn't. Archie and Fleetway are, but only at a trickle with >a few issues per year and made none easier by difficult international >availability of both publishers' books. Any new books from Troll >Associates? Not that I know of. If the characters aren't developed >by "official" persons to satisfy the fans (read: market), someone is >going to come along and do it -- and you can't depend upon third party >developers making the same decisions you would when implementing your >characters. The fan writers are sort of in the same league as those who >developed Linux, except they write for humans instead of a CPU chip. And >whether it's Sonic or Unix, they're freely offering their time and effort >to contribute to a universe (or operating system) not of their original >design. I don't think AT&T (the original creators of Unix) would agree >with everything that's been done in Linux -- especially Linux's price >(free). The fan writers fill in the gaps left by the "orginal" sources >just as Linux opens Unix to those who don't want to (or can't) drop >hundreds or thousands of dollars for a copy of "real" Unix; both fulfill >a need that had not before been satisfied. Just one word: Bingo. Joe. -- | Joseph deLaCroix: hk512@po.cwru.edu | See: http://rat.org/bookshire | / MiSTie, orange fox, writer, MUCKer, builder, hacker, cynic, wiseass \ He slices! He dices! He crushes! He bashes! He liquifies and chops! Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued From owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Thu Feb 1 02:23:00 1996 Received: (majordomo@localhost) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) id BAA19073 for sonic-ll; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:59:39 -0500 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca [204.50.6.4]) by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-951016) with SMTP id BAA19067 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:59:33 -0500 Received: by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA22328; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:57:38 -0700 Received: by ender.cuug.ab.ca (V1.17-beta.31{ask@castrov.UUCP/10}/Amiga) id <307m@ender.cuug.ab.ca>; Wed, 31 Jan 96 23:11:42 MDT Received: by sago.cuc.ab.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1(sago-1.3)) id AA00633; Wed, 31 Jan 96 22:47:05 MST Date: Wed, 31 Jan 96 22:47:05 MST Message-Id: <9602010547.AA00633@sago.cuc.ab.ca> From: uug@sago.cuc.ab.ca (William Graham) To: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Joe's Bi-Monthly Yellin' Sender: owner-sonic@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sonic@bort.mv.net Ratman writes: > Again, why does it matter what the creators say? > Would it be better if they put a big disclaimer at the top saying > "non-standard Sonic universe" ? Hey, we already have 1,000 Sonics... so what's a few more? - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! -