From bsc4034@hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Symon Kielb Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:20:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Something i found Status: RO X-Status: Hi, Sy here with something NON-sonic related, but I thought it was Funny especially as were getting near CHRISTMAS!!!!!! =-> =-> =-> Later blue blurs Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk > Rudolph the Red-Nosed-Reindeer > used to have a steady job > Santa had hired a new guy > Flying mule whose name was Bob > All of the other Reindeer > Used to wonder what he was > He'll make us miss our deadlines > Plodding on the way Bob does. > Then One foggy Christmas eve > Santa made a call > Rudolph with your nose so bright > Won't you guide my sleigh tonight > Then how the Reindeer loved him > And he helped them though the mess > Rudolph the Red-Nosed-Reindeer > Flies a plane for UPS. From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:22:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd) Status: RO X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to quozl@netcom.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:36:38 GMT From: D.M. Quozl Falk Newgroups: alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog Subject: Re: where is everyone? Nicole Peters (summer@warm.iii.net) wrote: : Where have all the letters gone? I remember all the happy little hedgehog : lovers eagerly wrighting about there favoret guy and last time I checked up : on this group there was somewon wanting to make a sonic haters club, some- : won selling their sonic stuff, and a letter similar to this one! Most StH fans are in the Sonic mailing list, it seems. Also, I'm on the verge of bailing out of StH fandom because of Sega's actions, requesting the removal of fan art from the main StH FTP/WWW site, even though the writers/artists have every right to make these works under the appropriate laws. I would honestly like to be encouraged to stay in Sonic fandom, but right now, Sega's actions have left me very DIScouraged. :( I even had plans of writing a tastefully naughty Bunnie story (which I've developed already, and takes place 10 years after "Doomsday", but is very different from the other 10-years-after StH stories that have been done- It would put the StH universe in a primarily positive light), but because of circumstances, I'm ready to kill the project. :( I'd honestly like to be encouraged to write my tale, and I'd encourage anyone to encourage me to stay *and* write... Currently, my dealings WRT the WB end of the fanworks fiasco is taking up much of my resources, that for the time being, I can't fight Sega right now, but I will say this to Sega: Keep an eye on what is about to unfold between WB Animation and WB fans- Preliminary talks may be paving the way for studio-approved fanworks distribution on the net that DOES include the "naughty" bits. I cannot say much more than that right now, and won't until an approved system is set up, which may be a couple months... All I'll say is that there ARE copyright and trademark laws and court rulings that allow precedent for toon erotica, which Sega's actions against rat.org violate. In the meantime, would anyone mind encouraging a fellow StH fan (especially a Bunnie fan) to stay? ....Quozl! Founder, Fans Against Legal Harassment Creator, alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog (and inadvertantly responsible for the Sonic mailing list) Bunnie Rabbot "Drooling Fanboy" and Fiona supporter -- Presidential Candidate for the Third Millenium! Quozl for Prez in 2000! Dennis M. Falk, aka "Quozl Mephit" : 221 Huntoon St. Eureka, CA 95501-4115 USA Writer, Furry fan, Cartoon fan, Music lover : "A Novel Experience!" Skunks, skunks, skunks! : Tiny Toons forever! : Snapple me! From BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Ron Bauerle Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:22:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd) Status: O X-Status: >From: D.M. Quozl Falk >I even had plans of writing a tastefully naughty Bunnie story (which I've >developed already, and takes place 10 years after "Doomsday", but is very >different from the other 10-years-after StH stories that have been done- >It would put the StH universe in a primarily positive light), but because >of circumstances, I'm ready to kill the project. :( I'd honestly like to >be encouraged to write my tale, and I'd encourage anyone to encourage me >to stay *and* write... I'm sure _somebody_ will, but it won't be me... (not meant as a flame, but I can't honesly put a smiley in there either...) Note to fan-fic authors (nobody in particular though): if your story contains sex, violence, or other possibly disturbing stuff, I suggest you note that prominently at the beginning of it. I could handle the grimness of the show itself, but much of the fan-fic fic has gone an order of magnitude beyond that, and it's too much for me. In fact, since I haven't read much of the fan-fic that's been sent to the list (I've stuck it in a "to read" directory, but don't know when I'll get to it), would some volunteer out there like to summarize all the fan-fic done so far in terms of plot and a rating re. violence/sex/whatever? >....Quozl! >Creator, alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog (and inadvertantly responsible for the > Sonic mailing list) No argument with the former, but (at the risk of trying to grab credit/glory, which I don't mean to do) I sort of thought _I_ had something to do with the latter; I started (and still have) a mini-mailing list over a year ago and Erich (and others?) took the idea and made it a _real_ list. RDB From DGonterman@AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: DGonterman@AOL.COM Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:22:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-11-29 07:32:09 EST, you write: >HOW the heck did sally get super speed???????? Answer: In "Doomsday," Princess Sally and Sonic used the Deep Power Stones in what I call "Power Ring" mode, as opposed to "Bomb" mode, as was planned by them. The juice in those rocks went through Sal like a power ring goes through Sonic, which gives her that power. She is later juicing hand-in-hand with Sonic as they trash Main Roboticizer #1..... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<<<----Get BAMmed, now expanded!!!! From DGonterman@AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: DGonterman@AOL.COM Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:22:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Finish HIM! Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-11-28 11:10:49 EST, you write: >It's a work in progress of mine. Working title: "Mobius Apocalypse." >Before the final resolution a horrible fate will befall Bunnie, there >will be major destruction of Mobius, some not-exactly gratuitous sex and >serious violence. The fate of the world will rest on one character >whose death is a given. This ain't no foolin' around! > > baaaaaaaaaam, what happened in Mobius Apocalypse? Did Uncle Chuck *die* or something? Maybe it can be an alternate version of BAM and a crossover could occurr, sort of like "One Man's Worth" on the X-Men cartoon? David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Get BAMmed--Now new and improved!!!! From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:11:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to quozl@netcom.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) From: D.M. Quozl Falk To: Ron Bauerle Cc: sonic@bort.mv.net, aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu, nefaria@aol.com, panda@ophelia.waterloo.net, pearse@rpi.edu, quozl@netcom.com, ray.rooney@dscmail.com, rune@delphi.com, BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd) Ron Bauerle said.... > >From: D.M. Quozl Falk > > >I even had plans of writing a tastefully naughty Bunnie story (which I've > >developed already, and takes place 10 years after "Doomsday", but is very > >different from the other 10-years-after StH stories that have been done- > >It would put the StH universe in a primarily positive light), but because > >of circumstances, I'm ready to kill the project. :( I'd honestly like to > >be encouraged to write my tale, and I'd encourage anyone to encourage me > >to stay *and* write... > > I'm sure _somebody_ will, but it won't be me... (not meant as a flame, but > I can't honesly put a smiley in there either...) Hmm... > Note to fan-fic authors (nobody in particular though): if your story > contains sex, violence, or other possibly disturbing stuff, I suggest you > note that prominently at the beginning of it. I could handle the grimness > of the show itself, but much of the fan-fic fic has gone an order of > magnitude beyond that, and it's too much for me. I would have to agree with Ron here, and had been planning the very thought of just such a disclaimer. (My planned story, as yet no title, was planned as a romance at a time when what was left of Mobius was being rebuilt...) I guess that even under the most dire of circumstances, I believe in hope, which is why I really liked the SatAM (now SunAM) StH, because it *was* a positive theme within a grim world... > In fact, since I haven't read much of the fan-fic that's been sent to the > list (I've stuck it in a "to read" directory, but don't know when I'll get to > it), would some volunteer out there like to summarize all the fan-fic done > so far in terms of plot and a rating re. violence/sex/whatever? That is a very good idea, though I'd have to say Bookshire's WWW story page does just that! > >....Quozl! > >Creator, alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog (and inadvertantly responsible for the > > Sonic mailing list) > > No argument with the former, but (at the risk of trying to grab > credit/glory, which I don't mean to do) I sort of thought _I_ had something > to do with the latter; I started (and still have) a mini-mailing list over > a year ago and Erich (and others?) took the idea and made it a _real_ list. I guess you don't know what did lead to the creation of the Sonic list then. For the record, I'll explain: During the time I was proposing a.f.s-h in alt.config, a teenager going by the handle "Tom Servo", who was already notorious for bogus newsgroup creations, decided to proclain (and then proceeded to) that he will create every newsgroup proposed, whether it went through discussion or not, for a few weeks. Deciding not to risk it, I decided to put a.f.s-h on hold until it blew over. (It wasn't until sometime in February I started it back up again, after bowing out in mid-December of last year...) Thinking I had failed to get support (the opposite was true), Erich Schulman (sp?), et al, started work on the mailing list. Just the fact I put a.f.s-h on hold, because I did not want it tagged as "bogus" (which anything created by "Tom Servo" would have been automaticly been tagged as), I'm partly responsible for this mailing list's creation. Both have the same goals, but the mailing list has been more successful than the newsgroup, which saddens me. :( *le sigh...* ....Quozl! (Who feels like a schmuck sometimes... :( ) -- Presidential Candidate for the Third Millenium! Quozl for Prez in 2000! Dennis M. Falk, aka "Quozl Mephit" : 221 Huntoon St. Eureka, CA 95501-4115 USA Writer, Furry fan, Cartoon fan, Music lover : "A Novel Experience!" Skunks, skunks, skunks! : Tiny Toons forever! : Snapple me! From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:47:38 -0500 Subject: Re: sonic in the parade! Status: O X-Status: >Hey bud, Sonic didn't crash in '94. I know 'cause I was at the Macy's parade >last year. He crashed in '93 which was the first year he was in the parade. >And guess what, it happened again! The blue blur went down at 57th & >Broadway. It seems he got tangled in the trees and light stanchions along the >parade route, and that pretty much ripped him to shreds. He'll be in it next >year I'm sure, once they get him patched up. Those high winds are murder. I >hope everyone out in cyspace had a happy Thanksgiving. Later. > >GrayRider1@aol.com > Ouch! Maybe he'll have better luck next year..... Well, another Thanksgiving come and gone. Brace yourselves for Christmas. From firmiss@cae.wisc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: James Firmiss Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:50:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sonic This, Sonic That, Sonic The Other Thing Status: O X-Status: Quozl... I enjoy all sorts of Sonic Stories... even those that don't mesh with any sort of 'set sonic universe'. I'd be interested in seeing that story(s) with Bunny. ======================= Sonic This -- Sonic #31 ======================= Archie Comic's Sonic #31 was at my local comic shop not long ago. In the main story "A Robot Rides the Rails" we see the return of Geoffery St. John as the freedom fighters battle Robotnik's latest robotic menace. Two other stories include a 2-page teaser for a Knuckles Solo Story ("Lost... and Found"). We also have the start of a solo story featuring ROTOR! Yup! You heard right. It's titled "Tundra Road". -- Story -- I don't like to spoil stories for people so I'll just say that Sonic definitly has some competition when it comes to trying to wind the hand of Princess Sally. Sonic thinks Sally is just trying to get him jealous and vows "Two can play at that game!". Hrmmm.. Maybe he's gonna start going out with Amy Rose (she seems a bit young for Sonic though... especially as she was portrayed before). Bunnie doesn't seem like Sonic's type (more like Rotor's type if you ask me). Who's left [Penelope the Platypus from Freedom Fighters: The Next Generation (My term for those new guys introduced in the Sally Miniseries) (I think that's her name.. I'm doing this from memory [I also have too many nested parentheses... as usual])] -- Art -- Hrm... I can't quite put my finger on what I find 'wrong' with the way the main story is drawn (inking, penciling, even coloring?). Emotions and facial expressions don't seem to mesh, the characters at times look too stiff, Tails' tails are doing the splits, proportions don't seem right. Sonic is the best-drawn here. Maybe I'm just being too picky. The artwork in Rotor's story is the best in this issue. -- Letters and News in Sonic Grams -- Knuckles Miniseries delayed until April '96 (Spaz and Harvo will be drawing it Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders will be writing it) but Knuckles Solo stories will continue in 'Sonic' proper. The story in #34 will lead to his own mini-series. Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles 48-Page Special... No news other than it is being worked on. In the letters, Peter Draper asks how Dylan's name is pronounced [ It's apparently "DILL-an" ]. I still want to know if Dylan is a hedgehog or a porcupine (and if he's a hedgehog (which he kinda looks more like) why does he look so different from Sonic, Amy Rose, and Uncle Chuck?). Peter also asks if the voice Knuckle's hears in "First Contact" is his dad's. [ 'Close' but apparently not ] By the way... Anyone on this list ever get a letter published in Sonic-Grams? ======================== Sonic That -- Sonic Book ======================== I saw a new Sonic book. Arrg.. I forget the author and publisher but it is one of those kids books with the buttons along the side which make assorted annoying noises. I noticed the Sally button has her laughing. ==================================== Sonic The Other Thing -- Sonic Games ==================================== Yes, I know this list isn't about the games but at least I waited until I had something else to say as well... I also put this section last in case people got bored with the rest of my letter and hit the 'Next' button) I just noticed that the Game Gear has about 5 Sonic-Based titles (including a new Tails game) which the Genesis (known as the Mega System outside the USA... so I'm told) doesn't have. Whaaa! I can't afford a Game Gear (and at this point, something better will probably come out soon). The Sonic Labarynth one looks interesting though. Also... Not long ago I drew up sphere-for-sphere maps of all fourteen 'run-around-the-globe-getting-blue-spheres' bonus levels found in Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles (lotta pausing, lotta patience, lotta colored dots on graph paper)... If there's any interest I might draw em up on a computer and makes GIFs or PNGs out of them. Jeez! "Mega System"? What a horrid name. From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 05:16:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Sonic This, Sonic That, Sonic The Other Thing Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, James Firmiss wrote: > By the way... Anyone on this list ever get a letter published in > Sonic-Grams? Only one person, as far as I know of: Alessandro Sanasi. I don't recall the issue number, but I think it was 19 or 20. I did send e-mail to Archie last month with a suggestion about the packaging of subscription copies, and I told them they could publish it if they wanted to. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:40:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Finish HIM! Status: O X-Status: > > >It's a work in progress of mine. Working title: "Mobius Apocalypse." > >Before the final resolution a horrible fate will befall Bunnie, there > >will be major destruction of Mobius, some not-exactly gratuitous sex and > >serious violence. The fate of the world will rest on one character > >whose death is a given. This ain't no foolin' around! > > > > > > baaaaaaaaaam, what happened in Mobius Apocalypse? Did Uncle Chuck *die* or > something? > > Maybe it can be an alternate version of BAM and a crossover could occurr, > sort of like "One Man's Worth" on the X-Men cartoon? > > David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] Sorry, Dave, but I've never gotten into the whole X-thing. No, Uncle Chuck doesn't die, but he does witness the collapse of Mobotropolis just before...hey, I'm not GIVING this stuff away! Haven't thought of crossovers to BAM or anything else -- I'm noodling this out simply as a way of tying up ALL the loose ends. No metal, but serious blood. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From rat@granite.mv.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Ratman Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:51:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: rat.org and Sega Status: O X-Status: Ok, I have put up a web page documenting the correspondance between me and Sega (Anne Jordan). http://rat.org/sonic/sega/ I did this because I got a letter from them today, which I scanned. Looks like they are still watching me. Here is the text of that letter for those of you without web access. ------------------------------------ November 21, 1995 Mr. Paul Hurley Radickley Advanced Technology P.O. Box 4963 Manchester, New Hampshire 03108 Dear Paul: I appreciate your cooperating with Sega recently in removing material from your web site which contained proprietary characters. To get permission for the remaining material, please contact Elaine Starling at (415) 802-6382. I assume you will contact her shortly. Sincerely, Anne S. Jordan Assistant General Counsel Sega of America, Inc. cc: Elaine Starling From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 22:59:03 EST Subject: Pipeline errors (unrelated to list) Status: O X-Status: I've got some error messages returned about sending messages thru the list to Pipeline...if you even get THIS message, now you may know why some conversations seem to be missing parts... >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 22:58:59 EST Subject: Re: Sonic the Hedgehog Status: O X-Status: >Joined in one configuration they were supposed to be a source of limitless >power; joined in another configuration they were able to destroy...I don't >know...the whole planet? Like the Statues...? >< (Sorry, just another regular Final Fantasy III reference...it's odd how much resemblance we keep finding between Sonic shows and Nintendo-related stuff...) From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 22:58:53 EST Subject: Re: Satire 0/1 Status: O X-Status: >Oh yeah one thing that is real though, Thaddeus, I'm terribly sorry to >break this to you, but you get robotocized... So Robotnik destroys a perfectly good robotocizer. Your point being...? I would think that, since your flame of Jaded Views hit practically every part of the story, that you actually would have READ it and discovered that my character already IS a robot. >< Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of Magic. - Arthur C. Clarke From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 22:59:08 EST Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd) Status: O X-Status: >>In fact, since I haven't read much of the fan-fic that's been sent to >>the list (I've stuck it in a "to read" directory, but don't know when >>I'll get to it), would some volunteer out there like to summarize all the >>fan-fic done so far in terms of plot and a rating re. >>violence/sex/whatever? > >That is a very good idea, though I'd have to say Bookshire's WWW story >page does just that! USUALLY... >< Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 22:58:41 EST Subject: Re: Nothing for Granted: Author's commen Status: O X-Status: Now, I'm fully aware that the message was a forward and all that stuff, but after giving up the maddenning task of trying to keep Kris's address on the screen while opening up my "TO:" list, I realized this is important to the list anyhoo, and he'll read it when it comes out in the archives. (And please don't point out that I could have written it down, or I'll have to make up some excuse that I haven't thought of yet when really I'm just too lazy to look for a pen[cil].) Anywayz, if you haven't read Nothing for Granted (or the message to which I'm replying) and don't want to encounter spoilers, promptly delete this message as well as Kris's before you find out the evil truth. The next few CR's are to make sure you don't see it by mistake... Okay, here it is. If you don't want the spoiler, close your eyes and hit your exit hotkey (if you don't have one, just fumble with the mouse and hope you're lucky)! ARRRRRGH!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How could you do such a terrible thing?! Killing Tolouse was one thing; putting it in a message, without even warning that spoilers were present, before I even read the story just rubbed a combination of deadly chemicals often served on food in an open wound that I didn't know about yet!!!!!!!!!!!! If I ever had a story with such a heart-wrenching plot, I wouldn't spoil it for everybody without warning! Well, my weekend's ruined now. I just hope I can find comfort Sunday morning and not turn on my TV to find A COMMERCIAL/PREVIEW OF THE SONIC SHOW THAT'S COMING UP NEXT GIVING AWAY THAT ONE OF THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS IS GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >< 8( From SirKain@usa.pipeline.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 23:59:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Pipeline errors (unrelated to list) Status: O X-Status: On Dec 01, 1995 22:59:03, 'AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD)' wrote: >I've got some error messages returned about sending messages thru the list >to Pipeline...if you even get THIS message, now you may know why some >conversations seem to be missing parts... I got them all back.. pipeline had barfed iover here, and lost all the e-mail for a day or so. Kain From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 22:28:34 MST Subject: Re: Pipeline errors (unrelated to list) Status: O X-Status: >>I've got some error messages returned about sending messages thru the list > >>to Pipeline...if you even get THIS message, now you may know why some >>conversations seem to be missing parts... >I got them all back.. pipeline had barfed iover here, and lost all the >e-mail for a day or so. Damn. Hate it when that sh** happens. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | From lara@physics.utexas.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: lara@physics.utexas.edu Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:24:23 -0600 Subject: Sonic This, Sonic That Status: O X-Status: Dear friends JF: Quozl... I'd be interested in seeing that story(s) with Bunny. I second that. It's a crying shame that Sega shut down the perv section. JF: "Two can play at that game!". Hrmmm.. Maybe he's gonna start going out with Amy Rose Isn't she only about 10? JF: Bunnie doesn't seem like Sonic's type (more like Rotor's type if you ask me). They might have Sonic talking Bunnie into pretending to be in love with him to make Sally jealous. JF: Who's left Or they might invent a new character, or pick up a female character from the daily series, like Miss Possum. See ya around. Sincerely - Juan F. Lara Princess Sally - "As for being my boyfriend, in the past you just had to contend with jealousy from a certain Hedgehog ( and believe me, that's enough! ) -- now you're going to have to deal with a rather suave rogue of a skunk! Good luck!" From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 19:27:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: A note WRT the copyright & trademark issues & Sega.... (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to quozl@netcom.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 04:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: D.M. Quozl Falk To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: "D.M. Quozl Falk" Subject: A note WRT the copyright & trademark issues & Sega.... As some of you may be aware from my previous post, I founded Fans Against Legal Harassment to fight for our (fans') rights as allowed under the appropriate laws (namely the U.S. Copyright Laws), and various U.S. Supreme Court and 1st Circuit U.S. Federal Court rulings covering copyrights, fanworks, and their use in non-commercial (*and* commercial) works, which establishes precedent in the fabs' favour over such use, including the more pornographic works. I'm too tired right now to go into great detail, but I will offer this: if you would like to know exactly what laws and rulings apply, contack FALH's legal representative, Aaron Varhola at avarhola@ix.netcom.com, and he'll fill you in. Suffice it to say, actions taken by Sega this past month puts *them* in the wrong, not the fan artists/writers, nor the site administrators. Also: thanks for the kind words sent my way- It helps some. :) Also #2: for those unaware, I'm NOT on this mailing list- Erich Schulman is forwarding this to you for me, as I only read the list on a once-a-month basis, via the archives. It's time for the Freedom Fighters to act! :) ....Quozl! Fans Against Legal Harassment -- Presidential Candidate for the Third Millenium! Quozl for Prez in 2000! Dennis M. Falk, aka "Quozl Mephit" : 221 Huntoon St. Eureka, CA 95501-4115 USA Writer, Furry fan, Cartoon fan, Music lover : "A Novel Experience!" Skunks, skunks, skunks! : Tiny Toons forever! : Snapple me! From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 19:31:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: offical email about the perv pictures. (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to quozl@netcom.com. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 05:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: D.M. Quozl Falk To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: "D.M. Quozl Falk" Subject: Re: offical email about the perv pictures. John Blintz, 5 Nov. '95: > On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Ratman wrote: > > > > I will support anything that involves the freedom of expression. Sega is > > > wrong to do this...they've already screwed us out of a 3rd season, and now > > > the porno. What's next? Perhaps the *regular* pictures? Perhaps they'll > > > tell us to get rid of a fanfic story because it `isn't the image we want > > > Sonic the Hedgehog associated with'. > > > > I can understand their objection on the porno. But fan fiction? I will stand > > up to that. If they tell me to remove them, I'll tell them I'll see them in > > court. > > > > > (Think about it. This is a 1st Amendment issue. The EFF would get behind > > > us all the way if we could just get their attention...) > > > > I don't know enough about the legal issues. > > As soon as I heard the news about SEGA's request for the removal of the > porno pics from rat.org, I took a quick look at a few copyright sites > on the Web, as one of my "regular" pictures is at rat.org. I found out > about the "Fair Use" section of copyright law, which allows people to > use copyrighted stuff in a limited manor. Though people can use it, > the original owner of the copyright has the right to remove anything > using their copyright if the material would produce a negative effect > on marketing for the company. Not exactly. Did any of the sites include any of the U.S. Supreme Court rulings relevant to the issues? Probably not, but nevertheless, I would look into the 1994 Campbell v. Rose-Acuff case. Rose-Acuff (Roy Orbison's publishing co.) tried to make a similar case WRT 2 Live Crew's rather raunchy parody (which was unauthorised) of "Oh, Pretty Woman", of which the Supreme Court ruled in 2 Live Crew's favour, which *allows* works derived from existing copyrighted material, regardless of pruriant content, under "Parody". Whereas works that are parodied or satirised retain their copyrights, these works are also protected by copyright in their own right, separate from the source copyrights. The rights of the final work supersede that of the source work, but do not negate the source work, as long as the final work is original, and not a direct alteration of an existing work. (IOW, it's perfectly legal to draw your own fan art, but not to "draw mustaches" on someone else's work. :) ) > SEGA believed the porn pics were bad for marketing. Whether it made them look good or not is legally irrelevant. (The Campbell case.) The only legal recourse would be with trademarks, but even that wouldn't work, as trademark protection only works on a commercial level, and even that is rather limited... (The L.L.Bean case, 1st Circuit Court...) Sega has the RIGHT to voice objection, but legally, that's about it. > They had the > right to remove them. Nope, they didn't. THAT right belongs to the owners of the final works, which in this case, artist Bill Fortier, who has been served with a Cease-and-Desist letter from WB (even though he stopped doing toons last March), has asked that any pics of his be removed. I complied with that. > I'm not interjecting any of my opinions > in this message--just saying that SEGA did have the right to remove > them, just as they have the right to remove my picture or anything > that even bears a resemblance to Sonic. I'm not a lawyer- Not even a law student. Nevertheless I've been involved in copyright issues at one level or another for 17 years, ever since I was on the junior high newspaper back in the late 70's. As a fan writer, I have to know my rights to make sure I don't get into trouble. If you want further clarification- AND QUOTES- Contact my lawyer friend, Aaron Varhola (yes, a REAL lawyer) at avarhola@ix.netcom.com... He and I essentially run Fans Against Legal Harassment, which was set up to counter actions by a much larger company than Sega, ie: WB, and it looks like we're winning: WB wants a truce- We're just working on how it'll work... :) We're not rich in monetary resources, but we more than make up for it with brain and will power, and not a little bit of solidarity from fellow outraged fans... :) Actions taken by FALH are being noticed by the media. > As with most laws, there is a fine line between the First Amendment > and Copyright Infringement. I want to be able to draw my pictures of > Sonic and Sally and everyone else, and post them on the 'Net for > all to see, as that's my right. Its also SEGA's right to remove > them if they deem them bad for marketing. Lets hope this issue > doesn't get that far. Sega has little say, really. ....Quozl! FALH -- Presidential Candidate for the Third Millenium! Quozl for Prez in 2000! Dennis M. Falk, aka "Quozl Mephit" : 221 Huntoon St. Eureka, CA 95501-4115 USA Writer, Furry fan, Cartoon fan, Music lover : "A Novel Experience!" Skunks, skunks, skunks! : Tiny Toons forever! : Snapple me! From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 20:18:23 EST Subject: Re: Sonic This, Sonic That Status: O X-Status: >JF: "Two can play at that game!". Hrmmm.. Maybe he's gonna start going >out with Amy Rose > > Isn't she only about 10? Yeah, but who said Sal's going to know that? Lindsay's story demonstrated perfectly well that Sally might jump to the wrong conclusion, and who says there can't be a plot-hole where it's suddenly forgotten that they met in issue 25? >JF: Bunnie doesn't seem like Sonic's type (more like Rotor's type if you >ask me). > > > They might have Sonic talking Bunnie into pretending to be in love >with him to make Sally jealous. THAT'S an idea. Someone came up with an idea CLOSE to that (only involving a 3rd-party character rather than Bunnie) in the Prodigy Sonic Club before time began (a year and a half ago, before I joined the club, even), but the only reply she got was from some perv. I made a new twist on the story last Valentine's Day, but my Valentine's Day story wasn't exactly one to be taken seriously (it was tied in second place for ridiculousness with Jaded Views, first place being my April Fools' special, which is saying a lot since all my holiday specials were insane to the point where I never put 'em on the Net). Anyhoo, it'd be nice to see a version that's ALMOST to be taken seriously (I don't see how it could be fully so, since I find it very hard to take anything involving furries in love triangles seriously)...hmmmmmm... >< Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of Magic. - Arthur C. Clarke From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 00:56:30 EST Subject: "Mobian GPF" Status: O X-Status: I just finished reading it. I swear, it was the most hilarious Sonic story I've ever read (come to think of it, though, the only other Sonic stories I've ever read that were meant to be humorous were my own...). Anyway, I talked to my friend Steve "Maxl" Tramer (co-author of Jaded Views) and I mentioned that story to him, and he said to get him a printout. So after I printed that and was waiting for Blue Flames to print (little knowing that when I came back two hours later I'd discover there had been a printing problem, and think that the almost-empty magenta cartridge was at fault, when really it was the paper, and then get my hand covered in magenta ink), I read the story aloud to my younger brother, Hannibal. Both of us thought Simon must have been spying on our house, because he was right on just about all counts (except for the fact that Hannibal's the Doom fanatic, not me). Anyway, I'd like to say thanx a whole bunch for making me such a hero, and for generally producing a story in a genre where there are very few Sonic stories, and for showing that you weren't meaning to flame when you compared one of your stories to some others by showing just about everything that I thought you were insulting. Anyhoo, keep those comedy stories coming if you can, and I'm sure Maxl will pardon the fingers you seemed to be pointing at the story we wrote, since Mobian GPF seemed exactly like something he would write (although he's not that PC-literate; he only knows of what a pain Macs are). Anyway, thanks again, and I hope Bookshire puts this up on his page soon! >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From SirKain@usa.pipeline.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 01:07:19 -0500 Subject: Re: "Mobian GPF" Status: O X-Status: On Dec 03, 1995 00:56:30, 'AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD)' wrote: >Hannibal. Both of us thought Simon must have been spying on our house, >because he was right on just about all counts (except for the fact that >Hannibal's the Doom fanatic, not me). *smirks* I need to play someone in that game again. Been a while. I played metalfox on Furtoonia in it and rocked him. There is a file out there that a friend of mine told me about where you can play doom/heretic and similar games over internet. I'd love to do it, but i'd have to play through windows, since my net provider is windows-powered... it'd be slow... But i may do it. Any of ya on the list care to try? if so e-mail me (no need to have the non sonic related stuff go over the list) Kain From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 09:10:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Satire 0/1 Status: O X-Status: A Wise Man Once Said: >>Oh yeah one thing that is real though, Thaddeus, I'm terribly sorry to >>break this to you, but you get robotocized... Then another one replied: >So Robotnik destroys a perfectly good robotocizer. Your point being...? I >would think that, since your flame of Jaded Views hit practically every >part of the story, that you actually would have READ it and discovered that >my character already IS a robot. What?!? Geesh Thad, what planet did you get off? I didn't say "X" was shoved in a robotocizer! I said *YOU* were! You know.. Thaddeus Body.. the guy you see in the mirror every morning.. :) Anywayz.. it's pretty good, hey.. you get a major part.. you end up saving the whole of Mobius! NOW GO BACK AND READ THE WHOLE THING. >Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of Magic.> - Arthur C. Clarke> Yeah.. I have a saying too: "Uhh Magic, we like Magic, you give now or you get broken." Chill Out Ablater From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 09:10:18 +0200 Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd) Status: O X-Status: *GROWLING* IN RAGE! >>>In fact, since I haven't read much of the fan-fic that's been sent to >>>the list (I've stuck it in a "to read" directory, but don't know when >>>I'll get to it), would some volunteer out there like to summarize all the >>>fan-fic done so far in terms of plot and a rating re. >>violence/sex/whatever? >>That is a very good idea, though I'd have to say Bookshire's WWW story >>page does just that! > USUALLY...Author: Thaddeus Boyd." somehow, even though it wasn't on the screen until >I typed it right there, and then glares at utter lack of text mentioning >Steven Tramer, the other author who is responsible for most of this crap >I'm getting from Ablater; who often is responsible for getting me into >irritating situations in cyberspace> Crap!?! Geesh, now you say *I * get you into "irritating situations" when you blame *me* for most of the crap? You're the one who keeps making spikes bro.. Anywayz.. about that satire effort, just read it, it's funny, besides you bloody end up doing something wonderfull.. SO WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT? *SETS MORON MAILER ON "AHVT94B@prodigy.com"* Fine, next time I write a story.. I'll completely forget that you exist. Ohya.. no flaming here.. oops! :) Well Flame me at my home adress, and get yourself a pencil.. or at least use windows "cut and paste" Cheers Ablater From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:52:07 +0200 Subject: INSPIRE.S3M(TM) Status: O X-Status: Whoops! I just used the term S3M(TM) without the Future-Crew(R)'s permission! Oh well, in that case I guess that this message now belongs to them, and they can remove it if they wish.. :) Perhaps our friend who spoke about the copyright laws and the removal of of the "furry erotica(TM)" has a point. Like this letter of mine, is all my work, and it happens to use 'S3M(TM)' as *part* of it, in no way makes it their property. In the same way, a picture that took several hours to produce, no matter how perverted, or what is bears resemblance to, it is still the artist(s) work. I am no pervert, I personally don't gain any amusement from seeing furry little animals exersizing their civil_right(TM) to reproduce(TM). But I *KNOW* when something starts to suck(TM). And it ticks me major when someone seems to speak down to me or my friends(TM). I don't know about the legal_mumbo(TM), but what I do know is that you can expect a satire from me about how "Anne Jorday (C) (R) (TM), The SEGA(R)_LEGAL_LADY" visits Rat(R)(C)(TM)'s site.. and is consequently robotocized(TM).. or perhaps befalls some other.. more original and non-copyrighted fate. Cheers Ablater (R) (TM) (C) :) From rat@granite.mv.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Ratman Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:26:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: INSPIRE.S3M(TM) Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Simon Howes wrote: > I don't know about the legal_mumbo(TM), but what I do know is that you can > expect a satire from me about how "Anne Jorday (C) (R) (TM), The > SEGA(R)_LEGAL_LADY" visits Rat(R)(C)(TM)'s site.. and is consequently > robotocized(TM).. or perhaps befalls some other.. more original and > non-copyrighted fate. It's Anne Jordan. And do it!! That would be hilarious! :-) Of course she might be a puppet and it might not be her decision, but she's gotta expect some heat when you start ordering people to remove things from their sites. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 95 11:44:08 MST Subject: FS: Sonic & Tails Plushies Status: O X-Status: Notice: For sale - a set of Caltoy Sonic & Tails plushie dolls. Both guys are high quality products, free of major defects, and they come with the tags, the receipt, and a bonus suprise. I purchased these guys for an individual here in El Paso. But at the last possible second, he backed off. For the purposes of security, I cannot return them to the store. I only wish to sell them as a set, at $40 including S&H. I can only accept payment by money order. They will be sent by the US Post Office. If you order now, you may recieve them by Christmas (but I cannot guarantee that). I will need your mailing address, so I will know where to send them. Please act now. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 18:37:16 EST Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd) Status: O X-Status: Hey, Si, do me a favor...if you're going to write something UnHappy, PLEASE wait until you've read all the mail in your box, because I really hate it when everybody gangs up on me after I've made amends. 8P I thought at first that I was being flamed, but then I read the story, and, to say the least, "the most hilarious Sonic story I've ever read" is NOT an UnHappy thing to say. 8P >< Please be Happy. From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:25:47 +0200 Subject: (C)(TM)(R) Chapter-1:That Evil Echidna Status: O X-Status: "(C) (TM) (R)" (C)(TM)(R) By Simon Howes (C) (TM) (R): Chapter 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Warning: Contains text(R) that should you quote, will render you to the control of the parties involved in the development of this satirical works. This control defines the usage of your PC(TM) to change, delete(R) or erase(R) files, and or change, delete(R) or erase(R) you. Bla bla bla bla bla (C) bla bla It all started on a sunny American day, junior like normal was using his mother's computer while she was off trying to intimidate nursery school children who drew pictures that resembled SEGA(R) or (C) materials. She always said that copyrights began at school. Junior had been on the internet for several hours now, and this was not unusual. SEGA(R) did unknowingly pay for the telephone bills, thinking they were being used for legal purposes. By now the twelve year old boy had grown bored with luscious.mamories.com and hangbags.women.org. He needed something *new*. One of the things he enjoyed doing was using Autodesk(R) Animator-Pro(TM) to remove the clothing, or add external organs to pictures. His poor dear mother didn't even know why she kept having to get her harddrive upgraded, nor why the computer store repairman looked at her funny after returning her machine. Junior did, for he had power of the .GIF(R), and he could use the allmighty "File Manager" (TM). The problem he had now was that humans were just so boring, always the same thing, the same way, the same crude jokes. What he wanted was something more primitive, even slightly savage, perhaps animal like. Animals, furry little animals, yes.. he liked that. He'd even found himself staring at a Care-Bear(TM) plushie oddly before. He typed the word in, however to his dismay, the Internet link just held there. Apparently someone in the world was using his 65535 modems to search for everything beginning with "A." The kid pulled out a small box that was connected to the back of his computer, it had three buttons on, "UP" "DOWN" and "TERM." It was also outkitted with a Liquid Crystal Display. He pushed up, and the machine powered to life, displaying the first entry on the display. "CO.ZA" he wondered to himself, well, he didn't know where it was... but it couldn't have been very near, he pushed the "TERM" button. Inside the little chip of the modem, an escape string originated. It passed through the fibre-optic phone lines down to the main internet server. A single line of code passed the escape string to the next server, to the next, and finally through an undersea cable. It reached it's destination, and the 14.4 modem belonging to Simon decoded it. The device that looked like the coil exploded violently, it was in fact filled with plastique explosive. Junior smiled, some fool somewhere in the world had been taken care off. He liked that, less people on the net. How dare they waste *HIS* time, didn't they know he drove a pentium? How dare they? The answer was simple, they didn't.. at least not any more. The screen filled with text, he awaited the news, heart pounding lusting it's sick desire. But as the blue words "Search Again" came up, he shuddered. Now he needed something else.. but what? What else was furry, cute, cuddly and capable of fulfilling his evil little cravings? Standing up he went for a drink, as he entered the kitchen to fizz up some water for a nice cool glass of Energade(TM), he noticed that on the worktop part of an open comic protruded from underneath a magazine. It was his little sisters, suddenly his heart froze .. he saw the words. "CHECK OUT: Princess Sally in a hot pink string Bikini." He looked around, then dived at the comic. From cartoons he'd lazily let go by, he remembered who she was, a ground squirrel. He could imagine her soft fur and shapely figure as he pulled it up to his face. But alas, for imagine was all he could do. The picture showed the princess cutting tapes, teasing him. "I don't think so!" He held the magazine there for a moment, examining her supple figure, the soft rounded blue boots she wore, and her tempting pricking ears. A drop of saliva saturated the cheap paper; he frantically wiped it away.. now this was excitement! He dived back at the machine, this time he would fulfill his lust. Search for "Princess Sally" he typed. Nothing. Okay, then search for "Sally." Sally Dineens Dinosaur page/Sally Shears cheat for Warcraft(TM)/ Sally at college. He screamed. Slamming the screen, now what in the hell cartoon did she come on? What was it's name? As he remembered it was something that his mom had once cursed, saying that she'd be glad when the fad moved over to the echidna. Whatever an echidna was. Wasn't it some speedy character, no.. Jass didn't have his own cartoon yet.. it was.. oh.. That's it Sonic.. Sonic the Warthog! He searched in full, but got no results.. so he searched for "Sonic" alone, and was surprised to see the character was actually a hedgehog. He clicked a blueish icon, and came up on "Bookshire's Page."(TM) All he had to do now was find a picture, he looked over the options. Two struck him, normal and mature. The boy felt odd again, mature material, he clicked on it.. ignoring the legalities text. Soon he was enjoying a whole range of pictures--after suffering a dissapointment that there were no stories. But something upset him, as of yet he hadn't seen any pictures of the squirrel, just a few of some stupid rabbit. She excited him too though, metal.. ooh how he would love to swap places with the hedgehog she was serving. He flipped on, two pictures of the squirrel posing excited him, he saved them into yet another directory, then continued. Finally he came to one picture.. it was the hedgehog and the squirrel. His mouth dropped in awe, the keyboard became saturated in slime. He stuck there for minutes, deeply entranced by 640X480 collection of pixels. "Oh Junior, my little echidna!" rang out mommies voice as she walked into the room carrying a Knuckles(TM) plushie she had brought him. The lady stopped as she saw the screen. This.. this.. was intolerable! The air became musty around her, she could do nothing, just choke. In a final move she slapped the still stunned boy around the back of the head, before passing out. The words "THIS IS WAR!" went through her mind as the world darkened. ===============================END OF CHAPTER 1=============================== ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### # # # # # # # # # # # ###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### #### # # # #### # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Can anybody find a moral for this chapter? Mail to ablater@lin01.global.co.za ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:34:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fanfic Blues (was: Re: Where is everybody? Status: O X-Status: > >In fact, since I haven't read much of the fan-fic that's been sent to >the list (I've stuck it in a "to read" directory, but don't know when >I'll get to it), would some volunteer out there like to summarize all the >fan-fic done so far in terms of plot and a rating re. >>violence/sex/whatever? I've run into the same problem myself: more fanfic than there is time to get through it. Actually, I'd take it upon myself to review fanfic except that I suffer from a work-related condition: I'm an editor by trade and I cannot resist the impulse to read fanfic without a red or blue pencil nearby. It's very hard to read the stories without the notion of rewriting them somewhere in the back of my mind. BTW, I edit a periodical index, so it's probably more accurate to call me an indexer, but the job involved editorial judgments as well. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From bsc4034@hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Symon Kielb Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:55:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Alt.fan.sonic.......... Status: O X-Status: Hi, Me agin to brighten up your lives...NOT!! I would just like to make a point here.......I dont have access to the news groups so have not got a SCOOBY what everyone is going on about... well thats my 2p worth... Later Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk P.S. Has anyone ever thought about putting a Scot's character in there Storys....and before you think of it, I dont mean running around with a Pianted face, and wearing a Kilt, and speaking in a TERIBBLE scotish accent.. I mean a person with a Half decent accent who has all the wonderful attributes of a scotish person. Mind you...I wouldnt mind if there was a BIT of English bashing in the Story..... =-> =-> From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:41:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Alt.fan.sonic.......... Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, Symon Kielb wrote: > I would just like to make a point here.......I dont have access to the > news groups so have not got a SCOOBY what everyone is going on about... There exists a newsgroup called alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog. It was created several months ago, and is a low-volume group. That newsgroup and this mailing list have little to do with each other beyond discussions of Sonic. The a.f.s-h newsgroup does not seem to be widely distributed. I haven't polled list subscribers lately, but earlier this year, quite a few did not have access to it. This includes some without access to alt.* groups and some without access to any Usenet groups at all (eg, a mail-only account on a BBS). I do have access to that newsgroup on Nyx, but that is a very slow account (but free, so I'm not really complaining) and news articles expire rapidly, sometimes <24 hours. As this list appears to be considered competition to the newsgroup, it is only very seldom that I use the newsgroup to recruit list subscribers. Those who use both the list and the newsgroup can confirm my infrequency of posting thereto. In 20/20 hindsight, I should have archived some of the postings in groups like rec.arts.animation with regard to the late 1994 proposal of the formation of a.f.s-h. There were posts indicating both adequate and inadequate interest levels in the Usenet community for the proposed creation of the newsgroup. To ensure due credit is given, this list's history can indeed be traced to Ron Bauerle and his "mini-list" to which I was added in late 1994 and in which I had suggested an upgrade in status to that of a regular mailing list. (That mini-list continues to exist, albeit with the complication of this list's anti-spam measures which causes the mini-list users' posts to this list to be forwarded by me.) It was my original intention to run this list off my Delphi account. The debut of this list would have been delayed for some time while I wrote companion software. Even a few months ago, I was shuddering at the thought of still running this list off Delphi. Though I do know of one mailing list actually being run from a Delphi account, it is extremely low volume; I would consider this list to be in the low- to medium-volume tier. In late January 1995, Ratman offered use of his site and majordomo for starting this list. Realizing the advantages of using majordomo as opposed to writing and debugging my own software to use with Delphi, I was happy to accept. The Sonic list changed servers several times during the setup, and tests were made. I reckon opening day to 04 February 1995, though the list was ready the night before. I announced the opening of the list to rec.arts.animation on the 4th, and the first post to the list was made (see the archives). Since then, we've added a digest format for the list and initiated protection against spam after the list's first and only hit in July 1995. Several more attempts to spam the list were thus blocked. (The ftp and Web sites were added as well, but they are not part of the list itself. Longtime subscribers may remember that a number of files besides the archives were available through majordomo, and are now ftp'able.) Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From rotor@PrimeNet.Com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Bookshire Draftwood Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:11:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: New stories... Status: O X-Status: The following stories are now available in their entirety on my WWW page: By Simon Howes: Cold Decptions RL 10 Part 1 Satire By Ryan Huber: Keeping the Faith Silent Night (A Chirstmas Story) By Joseph DeLaCroix: Everything Changes By Kris Kelley: Nothing for Granted By Thaddeus Boyd and Co.: Blue Flames ANNOUNCEMENTS: Upgrades to my page will commence this week, and will primarily involve adding graphics and backgrounds. Hope you enjoy. As for the stories above, do check them out. Also look for stories you may not have even seen here before. The "Postcards from Mobius" happens to be one of my favorites at the moment. Now, for those of you screaming at me to write more stories of my own, have no fear. As I speak I'm in the middle of writing the Sonic the Hedgehog Character Portraits. Starting with my own creation, Bookshire Draftwood, I'll be presenting FIRST PERSON perspectives describing how each character views themselves and the world and people around them. +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:41:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Sonic This, Sonic That, Sonic The Other Thing Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-11-30 20:28:32 EST, you write: >Hrm... I can't quite put my finger on what I find 'wrong' with the way the >main story is drawn (inking, penciling, even coloring?). Emotions and >facial expressions don't seem to mesh, the characters at times look too >stiff, Tails' tails are doing the splits, proportions don't seem right. >Sonic is the best-drawn here. Maybe I'm just being too picky. > > Personally, I think the artwork doesn't have the style of the previous artist, but then again, I'm spoiled on Spaz... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:34:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Alt.fan.sonic.......... Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-04 14:20:37 EST, you write: >The a.f.s-h newsgroup does not seem to be widely distributed. I haven't >polled list subscribers lately, but earlier this year, quite a few did >not have access to it. This includes some without access to alt.* groups >and some without access to any Usenet groups at all (eg, a mail-only >account on a BBS). > > I hear you there. I go on-line on two sites: America On-Line, and the Netscape Computer Labs at SIUE. (Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville) Neither of them have alt.fan.sonic.hedgehog. Well, hell, at least I have the mailing list. It's just as good. David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<<<----Get BAMmed!!! From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 21:55:17 MST Subject: Re: Sonic This, Sonic That, Sonic The Other Thing Status: O X-Status: >>Hrm... I can't quite put my finger on what I find 'wrong' with the way the >>main story is drawn (inking, penciling, even coloring?). Emotions and >>facial expressions don't seem to mesh, the characters at times look too >>stiff, Tails' tails are doing the splits, proportions don't seem right. >>Sonic is the best-drawn here. Maybe I'm just being too picky. >> >> > >Personally, I think the artwork doesn't have the style of the previous >artist, but then again, I'm spoiled on Spaz... I also have a problem with Art Mawhinney's work. Now, don't get me wrong- he does a good job on Sonic, Sally, Bunnie, and even Robotnik. But there is one character that he just cannot do right (IMHO) - Tails. His head and face look slightly bigger than scale, his body is smaller, and his tails definately doesn't look right, especially while in flight. As far as someone who can draw Tails, my votes go to (in no particular order) Dave Manak, Pat Spaz, and even the great Scott Shaw. I was so pleased to find out Dave Manak was in charge of the Tails miniseries. For Pat Spaz - I don't think he can draw anyone wrong, especially Sally [right, guys (issue #25, Sally on the bi-plane - SHWING!)]. To date, the last example of Scott Shaw's work was "Tails' Tallest Tale", from the Sonic & Knuckles issue. I still wonder if he will return. Hell, I think we all do. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | From rotor@PrimeNet.Com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Bookshire Draftwood Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:11:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: New stories... Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, I wrote: > ANNOUNCEMENTS: Upgrades to my page will commence this week, and will > primarily involve adding graphics and backgrounds. Hope you enjoy. > And I did! The graphics are up and running so, if you have Netscape or some other graphical browser, I do hope you'll stop by sometime. Enjoy! +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:56:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: New Issue (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:54:52 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: New Issue I don't know if anyone out there's listening (I haven't received any messages from this mailing list for a month or two), but I'm wondering when the next issue of the Archie Sonic comic is due out (to subscribers, that is). I believe it'll be issue #31. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 18:02:03 MST Subject: Re: New Issue (fwd) Status: O X-Status: >I don't know if anyone out there's listening (I haven't received any >messages from this mailing list for a month or two), but I'm wondering when >the next issue of the Archie Sonic comic is due out (to subscribers, that >is). I believe it'll be issue #31. I just got mine in the mail today. The first story, except for the fact that it features Mr. St. John, the artwork is a major disapointment. :-( -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:37:11 -0500 Subject: Re: New stories... Status: O X-Status: >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, I wrote: > >> ANNOUNCEMENTS: Upgrades to my page will commence this week, and will >> primarily involve adding graphics and backgrounds. Hope you enjoy. >> > >And I did! The graphics are up and running so, if you have Netscape or >some other graphical browser, I do hope you'll stop by sometime. Enjoy! I stopped by yesterday! Very nice job, Dave! From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:52:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Chaotix Special (for FAQ File) Status: O X-Status: Knuckles' Chaotix #1 [n/d] "The Chaos Effect" (three parts) Story: Mike Kanterovich & Ken Penders; Art: Art Mawhinney After a nice one-page splash of Knuckles on the floating island, we move on to the plot. All the freedom fighters on Mobius, it seems, have been invited to attend some sort of amusement part on the island (which begs two important questions: How did they get their invites?, and How did they get to the island?). The host, Renfield T. Rodent, escorts Sonic and the Knothole gang into the hall of mirrors which is, of course, a trap: everyone is sucked into an alternate dimension through the mirrors except for Knuckles, and his abilities have been compromised. Three guesses who's behind it all, and the first two don't count. Part 2 is basically an introduction to the Chaotix -- the collective name for the 32-X game characters: Charmy Bee, Espio Chameleon, Vector Crocodile, Mighty Armadillo, and the robots Heavy and Bomb. Perhaps the look was dictated by the game, but Charmy, Espio and Mighty look way too much like Sonic wearing a costume. Anyway, armed with a cache of power gems, they prepare to do battle. After starting all the amusement park rides at once to get Robotnik's attention, the Chaotix find themselves up against Mecha-Sonic. Mecha-Sonic attempts to morph into a giant Hyper- Knuckles, but the real Knuckles uses a power gem to even the odds. In the ensuing clash of the titans, the mirrors in the Hall are smashed and the freedom fighters released. Robotnik makes his escape, leaving Renfield to be arrested by some Muppets (I'm sorry, but that's what they look like!). Knuckles and the Chaotix decline an offer to join the freedom fighters. Knuckles Art "Tag! You're It" Story: Ken Penders; Art: Harvo The members of the Chaotix play tag for 5 pages. That's it. Except for the appearance of some mysterious insect on the last page, that's all there is to the plot! If I were a tree, I'd be insulted at being chopped down and pulped to yield the paper for this! "The Hunt Is On!" Story and Art: Ken Penders: Looks like Archimedes is screwing around with Knuckles and his friends again. The Chaotix are captured by story's end as Knuckles is taunted with the chioce of saving his friends or saving his world. To be continued. From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:49:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sonic #31 (for FAQ File) Status: O X-Status: Sonic #31 [Feb 1996] "A Robot Rides The Rails" (3 parts) Story and Art: Ken Penders This is Ken Penders' debut at drawing the Sonic characters, and some fans have complained about the artwork, especially in terms of modeling and facial expressions. Still, Penders ends up taking the reader on a pretty wild ride.... Sally jumps a moving train carrying a Dynamac 3000, Robotnik's latest creation. On board, who should she run into but Geoffrey St. John, who with some other commandos are attempting to intercept Dynamac. Their attempt to stop the train, however, only awakens Dynamac. Sonic is airlifted to the train in time to witness Dynamac begin morphing. Nicole informs the group that Dynamac can adapt and react to attacks but cannot anticipate; she also reveals how Dynamac can be deactivated. It takes a bit of doing, including Rotor flying interference in a jet aircraft, but Dynamac gets blasted. Sonic is none too pleased with Geoffrey's farewell to Sally, and considers playing the jealousy card himself. Whatever faults Penders may have as an artist (and these could be smoothed out with practice), he's written a fairly gripping action yarn, though in some ways it feels wrong. More suited to James Bond than Sonic the Hedgehog. And Nicole's "personality" is going off in a wrong direction as well. Still, an entertaining effort. "Lost and Found: Part 1" Story: Mike Kanterovich and Ken Penders; Art: Ken Penders This is supposed to be the beginning of the sequel to "The Hunt Is On" from the Chaotix special. It goes on for 2 pages. TWO LOUSY PAGES! Except for a dropped clue [the words "Grand Conserve"], this may as well have been an ad for the real beginning of "Lost and Found" in Sonic #32! What a waste! "Tundra Road: Part 1" Story: Mike Gallagher; Art: Art Mawhinney Responding to a call for help from his mother(!!), Rotor pilots his bathysphere (which looks like a submarine to me!) to the Frozen North Sea [good thing he didn't think to ask Tails for the use of the Sea Fox, since it was scuttled in Tails #1]. The inclusion of an "audience participation" maze in one panel is a dead giveaway that this story is being pitched to the rugrat readership. Rotor arrives home to find his Mom and little brother Skeeter acting like zombies. They and every other walrus on the ice floe (why am I reminded of all those Far Side cartoons that featured look-alike penguins?) proceed into an ice cave to watch Robotnik on a big screen TV. The Big Guy has abandoned his plan to melt the polar caps, opting instead for a plan to freeze all life on Mobius. Rotor, not having been affected by a "neuron bomb" that made the walrus herd susceptible to Robotnik's broadcasts, tries to escape but is hit with a club by a SWATbot and falls into the sea. To be continued. Sonic-Grams: Dawn Spaziante, Pat's sister, is working at Archie and puts in an appearance in the office humor section. Hey, Scott, I'm from Chicago -- you don't have to explain nepotism to me! Major news: Spaziante and Harvo will be tackling a Knuckles miniseries, with story by Kanterovich and Penders. In order to accomodate them, the roll-out of the miniseries has been delayed until April '96. Isn't this kinda like what happened to the Princess Sally miniseries? Like Leo Durocher said, it's *deja vu* all over again! Two of the three letters concern themselves with game matters; in response to the other, Sonic only goes as far as admitting that he's "in like" with Sally, and states that the guess that Archimedes is Knuckles' father is "real close!" Cute portrait of Sally on that page, BTW. From BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Ron Bauerle Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:10:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Sonic #31 (for FAQ File) Status: O X-Status: >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:49:01 -0500 (EST) > Sally jumps a moving train carrying a Dynamac 3000, Which surprisingly doesn't emit any smoke; for being a pollution lover, you'd think Robotnik wouldn't use anything that clean :^) (And before you say "it was an _electric_ train", what about that "chug-chug-chugga-chugga" sound effect on page 1?) Also, I thought Mobius was sufficiently advanced enough to not need things like trains (ironic that _I_ should say this, since I work for a company that makes locomotives...) > Whatever faults Penders may have as an artist (and these >could be smoothed out with practice), My main complaint (and this is going to sound more insulting than I mean it to be :^)) is that sometimes Sally's mouth was a bit lop-sided - the nearest comparison I can think of is Kennedy Studio's animation of Tiny Toons, but it wasn't _that_ bad :^) > "Tundra Road: Part 1" >The inclusion of an "audience participation" maze in one panel is a >dead giveaway that this story is being pitched to the rugrat readership. I wonder how long before they find out that the quickest way through most mazes is to just hug the right hand wall and zip through it (I read once that some student robot builders won a contest that way - instead of dumping time and $$ into intelligence, they went for speed (hmm, sort of like Sonic? :^)) >Rotor arrives home to find his Mom and little brother Skeeter acting like >zombies. They and every other walrus on the ice floe I didn't see much "civilization" on that ice-floe - wonder what kind of society the walrusses on Mobius have? > Sonic-Grams: Dawn Spaziante, Pat's sister, is working at >Archie and puts in an appearance in the office humor section. Which reminds me: Hey, Paul Castiglia! Is she as cute in person as in the strip? (She seems to be drawn like most "Archie girls" :^)) Does she have a boyfriend? Enquiring minds want to know :^) RDB From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 04:16:36 +0200 Subject: (C) (TM) (R) -- Coming soon! Status: O X-Status: DCD! Chapter two of the SEGA satire is coming real soon, so just hang in there. I am going through a small crisis here that is taking more time away from me than I can believe. :( Anywayz.. See you all around.. Ohya.. more on the "Sally is a ground squirrel damnit!" thing, what if she is partially vulpine and partially genus sciurus? We came out from the deep.. Ablater From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 04:16:34 +0200 Subject: Shamless Advertisment. Status: O X-Status: DCD! Well just thought I would tell you about the new file on rat.org, just in case Ratman didn't.. It's a great S3M called Mobian destiny, that was specially written for all us Sonic Fans.. No lamer sound effects or the famous "dubbing" where a sample of someone is played over 4357 times at different rates.. just great music! Oh ya, there's a "way cool" poem/speech effort in there too. Hope ya all enjoy. Q. Did SWAT-BOT's get all you guys? Or is the list just goinf through a wee bad spell? May the force be with you.. Ablater From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:16:17 MST Subject: Re: (C) (TM) (R) -- Coming soon! Status: O X-Status: >Ohya.. more on the "Sally is a ground squirrel damnit!" thing, what if she >is partially vulpine and partially genus sciurus? Here question is kind of related - In the Princess Sally cruisade episode, from the Sonic In Your Face issue, towards the end in the flashforward part, Sonic and Sally apparently had two kids. The boy looked 100% hedgehog and the girl looked 100% squirrel, except for the fact that she could run as fast as her brother. How could this be possible? Is there a genetic thing on Mobius where species of a child is related to the species and sex of the parent? (Example above.) -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | From bsc4034@hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk Fri Feb 2 07:27:12 1996 From: Symon Kielb Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:09:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: HUM: Politically Correct X-Mas (**1/2) (fwd) Status: O X-Status: Heres another Helping from Santa Symons Bag..... Again this is not Sonic Related, butttttt Its a bit Satirical, but the message is GOOD. Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk 'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck... How to live in a world that's politically correct? His workers no longer would answer to "Elves". "Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves. And labor conditions at the north pole Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul. Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety, Released to the wilds by the Humane Society. And equal employment had made it quite clear That Santa had better not use just reindeer. So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid, Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid! The runners had been removed from his sleigh; The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A. And people had started to call for the cops When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops. Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened. His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened." And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows, Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation, Demanding millions in over-due compensation. So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife, Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life, Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz, Demanding from now on her title was Ms. And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion That making a choice could cause so much commotion. Nothing of leather, nothing of fur, Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her. Nothing that might be construed to pollute. Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot. Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise. Nothing for just girls. Or just for the boys. Nothing that claimed to be gender specific. Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific. No candy or sweets...they were bad for the tooth. Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth. And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden, Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden. For they raised the hackles of those psychological Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological. No baseball, no football...someone could get hurt; Besides, playing sports exposed kids to dirt. Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe; And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away. So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed; He just could not figure out what to do next. He tried to be merry, tried to be gay, But you've got to be careful with that word today. His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground; Nothing fully acceptable was to be found. Something special was needed, a gift that he might Give to all without angering the left or the right. A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision, Each group of people, every religion; Every ethnicity, every hue, Everyone, everywhere...even you. So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth... "May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth." 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From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:44:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Genetics and Gender (was: Re: (c)... Status: O X-Status: > > Here question is kind of related - In the Princess Sally cruisade episode, > from the Sonic In Your Face issue, towards the end in the flashforward > part, Sonic and Sally apparently had two kids. The boy looked 100% > hedgehog and the girl looked 100% squirrel, except for the fact that she > could run as fast as her brother. How could this be possible? Is there a > genetic thing on Mobius where species of a child is related to the > species and sex of the parent? (Example above.) > I'm no geneticist, but if interspecies couplings are accepted practice on Mobius, might the species be genetically linked with the gender? Everything else would be "negotiable." Otherwise, there would tend to be a blurring of the species over time, with a loss of definite characteristics. Thus, Mobians would slowly creep toward one homogeneous species rather than diversifying -- that's one in the eye for Darwin! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:36:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Christmas Story Status: O X-Status: > > Has anyone ever thought abput doing a story in wich Robotnik and the FF > get together, and have a Party, and get on, or have to join to togethe > over a common foe (mabey Packbell or something similar). > > Ah well later > > > Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk > > No, but there have been variations on the theme in the (US) Archie comics. In "Ivo Robotnik, Freedom Fighter" (Sonic #23, June 1995), Robotnik, Snively, Sonic, Sally, Rotor and Tails are all captured by a giant alien who wants to study them. Of course, Robotnik blows the alien (and Sonic) out of an airlock at the first opportunity but Rotor retrives them both. Lately, in "The Return of Uncle Chuck" (#30), Robotnik is rescued from the Void on condition that he not harm Sonic et al. I could never write such a story myself: too much has been invested in Robotnik as a villain to come up with something so much worse that even a temporary alliance would be in order. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:49:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Faq Sheet Status: O X-Status: > > Dan, > I need to ask you about the Faq sheet. I have a link to a copy at > Ratman's site. However, it is out-dated (Nov. 15). I needed ask you - who > is suppose to update it, you or RatMan? > Write back soon... > John: I was updating the thing on my own, but started receiving complaints that the thing had ballooned out of proportion -- apparently, some systems can't handle very large files, which is what the FAQ has become. So I've taken to posting synopses of the comics as they appear (in the absence of any other media), hoping that Ratman will cut and paste the entries into a unified FAQ File (hint! hint!). Actually, Nov 15 is really rather up-to-date ... unless you meant Nov 15, 1994! ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From firmiss@cae.wisc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: James Firmiss Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:28:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Genetics and Gender Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Dan Drazen wrote: >> Here question is kind of related - In the Princess Sally cruisade episode, >> from the Sonic In Your Face issue, towards the end in the flashforward >> part, Sonic and Sally apparently had two kids. The boy looked 100% >> hedgehog and the girl looked 100% squirrel, except for the fact that she >> could run as fast as her brother. How could this be possible? Is there a >> genetic thing on Mobius where species of a child is related to the >> species and sex of the parent? (Example above.) > > I'm no geneticist, but if interspecies couplings are accepted practice > on Mobius, might the species be genetically linked with the gender? > Everything else would be "negotiable." Otherwise, there would tend to > be a blurring of the species over time, with a loss of definite > characteristics. Thus, Mobians would slowly creep toward one homogeneous > species rather than diversifying -- that's one in the eye for Darwin! Long ago I read someone's explanation of 'cartoon genetics' (it may have even been from Quozl)... I don't remember it fully but if this isn't the same just think of it as 'my' hokey explanation: [[ Warning -- this explanation assumes you've had freshman biology. ]] The key is to treat 'species' as just a trait... with the special property that resessive 'species genes' are 'gender-linked' (( WARNING! This is NOT true in real biology )) Okay... Lets assume Sally's mother, being a squirrel, has a genotype of Ss ( Capital 'S' meaning Dominant Squirrel Gene ) ( Lowercase 's' meaning resessive 'gender-linked' squirrel gene ) King Acorn, being a fox, might have a genotype of: Ff ( 'F' and 'f' meaning dominant and resessive 'fox' genes ) There would be 4 possible genotypes for their offspring (i.e. mix one gene from the mother and one from the father): Sf Fs sf SF The results of each would be: Sf Dominant 'S' gene means offspring is a Squirrel Fs Dominant 'F' gene means offspring is a Fox sf No dominant gene... species is now 'gender-linked' thus if the offspring were male, he would be a Fox like King Acorn and if the offspring were female, she would be a squirrel. SF Both Dominant genes mean offspring would be a 'Squirrel-Fox' combination (e.g Fox with Squirrel tail) Since on Mobius we don't see any of these combinations we might be able to claim the dominant genes were 'gender-linked' too thus a genotype of SF would be just like sf... Squirrel if female, Fox if male. I could go on and talk about possible genotypes for Sonic's and Sally's families (and offspring?) but I'll leave it as a 'reader exercise'... besides, we don't know enough of their family trees in order to make any real good guesses. If you play around with this system you see that the species never turn into a 'homogeneous mass' and you can sometimes get weird results: e.g. Fox with genotype 'Fr' and Squirrel with genotype 'Sr' could produce a Raccoon with genotype 'rr'. -- Oh.. In other news... I found Tails #3 at my local comic shop yesterday. Overall, the story wasn't as good as the Sally miniseries but it definitly got better near the end. We're also given a 'taste' of what's to come in the Knuckles stories of Sonic 32-34. (By the way... Muttski returns in Sonic 32). From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:41:01 +0200 Subject: EXPOSED: What if Sonic and Sally DID have kids? Status: O X-Status: DCD! >Here question is kind of related - In the Princess Sally cruisade episode, >from the Sonic In Your Face issue, towards the end in the flashforward >part, Sonic and Sally apparently had two kids. The boy looked 100% >hedgehog and the girl looked 100% squirrel, except for the fact that she >could run as fast as her brother. How could this be possible? Is there a >genetic thing on Mobius where species of a child is related to the >species and sex of the parent? (Example above.) Okay, someone want to put this in a FAQ file? (DNA uhh Dan) It all has to do with DNA, DNA as the encyclopedia says is a three dimensional macro-molecule, and it's the largest molecule known to man. Linked into helix's by hydrogen bonds, the "deoxyribonucleic acid' contains atomic programming which controls all the features of the lifeform, including cellular operation, strengths, and weaknesses. From what I can tell DNA is a mixture of sugars, proteins and some other chemicals with names that make them look like they wouldn't be out of place in fizzy-drink. For example "Phosphoric acids", "Thymine", "Cytosine", "Guanine".. well you get the idea. Now, what does this have to do with a genus sciurus and a hedgehog mating? Well DNA is stored on chromosomes, okay now, the male has X and Y sex chromosomes while the female has two X chromosones. Now let's look at the infos: *----------------*--------------------* |Sonic XY | Sally XX | *----------------*--------------------* |Hedgehog, | Ground Squirrel | |Very Fast, | Very Intelligent. | |Blue? | Orange/Brown. | |Large Eyes | Smaller Eyes | *----------------*--------------------* Now looking at this, and knowing that a female will take on 2 X cells, while the male an X and a Y. We can come to the following conclusions. If the child was a boy(XY) then: There would be a (1X) + (1Y)=2 (Sonic) (2XX)+ (0Y)=2 (Sally) 50% chance of inheriting either sides characteristics. While if the child was a girl(XX), (1X) = 1 (Sonic) (2X) = 2 (Sally) 66% Chance of Taking on Sally's characteristics. So generally a female will take on her more of her mothers characteristics, this would suggest that Sally's mother is indeed a squirrel, as her father is a fox.. perhaps this also gives an idea where she go her cunning from. (Dad) I'm not scientist, just a lamer at home. I don't really get this DNA stuff. So if anyone wants to clear it up for me. Feel free. Well, I think it's pretty accurate though... the Squirrel girl won on a 33% chance and got the speed, perhaps her brother on a 50% chance got the intelligence? Okay, lets say *I* married a vixen. ;) Though we'll just skip the stage between marriage and actually having the kid. hehehe. *cringes* *------------------------*--------------------------* | Si(XY) | Vixen Vulpy | *------------------------*--------------------------* | Good Looking. ;) | Furry | | Strong :) | Very Very Protective | | Mega Coder | Mega Shopper | | Plans to conquer Earth | Talks on the phone | | A little bit Crazy | Down to Earth | *------------------------*--------------------------* Box (XY): Hmm.. mix of the two, I really don't think I want an overprotective, furry, Mega Shopper, son who's down to earth, which he plans to conquer? Hmmm.. Nope.. won't work. Girl (XX): Maybe she could lose the shopping, and pick up the earth conquering stuff? Hmm.. My mind boggles, correction, it boils like brocolli. Well, I think the dating service computer would just explode or burn out or something in the corny style they always do in cheap cartoons if it had to consider this. Basically, humans and vulpines.. well don't try it at home kids! I couldn't bear the thought of the kid that calls me daddy, having fur ALL OVER! EYEEUW! Or having a block phongy reflective nose. Besides it's just not humane/ vulpane, the other kids would laugh at him at school, and then he'd have to savage, as in bite them. Oh yes, while I'm at it. Nucleic acids can be changed by another molecule that would react with it. This suggests to me that if you could get someone's DNA sample.. you could 'build' a personalized molecule that would change them into anything you wanted. Though the difficulties with this are that if it is not equally spread, the body will begin fighting itself like cancer. Perhaps we could build some nanites to invade the nucleus of a cell and reprogram DNA... so how about it.. anyone want to join me on a quest to turn all humanity into furries? :) Free pentiums! heheh! We could call it the furocizer!!! Just think, all EARTH will be mine, AHAHAH! Oh, uh, yeah, well you will be with me too. Unless perchance some terrible 'accident' befalls you. We could test the machine out on the rest of the planet first, that way it would be perfected, and we wouldn't well... you know end up wasted. Gods! I'd live to see the look on someone's face as the glass shroud lowered over them, and they were immerged in yellow light! Ahahah! Damn, now I'm tooexcited to program! Cheers Ablater From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:47:44 -0500 Subject: Re: (C) (TM) (R) -- Coming soon! Status: O X-Status: >Here question is kind of related - In the Princess Sally cruisade episode, >from the Sonic In Your Face issue, towards the end in the flashforward >part, Sonic and Sally apparently had two kids. The boy looked 100% >hedgehog and the girl looked 100% squirrel, except for the fact that she >could run as fast as her brother. How could this be possible? Is there a >genetic thing on Mobius where species of a child is related to the >species and sex of the parent? (Example above.) I'm no genetics expert (Yet :), but if i remember my Biology, their mating shouldn't be possible at all. Except in certain cases, different species cannot have children. This is true at least on Earth. But, this is fiction. We can allow a little poetic license. If inter-species mating is possible, then it is perfectly possible to have a 100% hedgehog and a 100% squirrel. If you do a block of Punnett's squares, you can find the probabilities of having certain genetic traits appearing in offspring, both dominant and recessive and nobody knows what I'm talking about so I'll shut up now..... :) Matt From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 21:46:30 EST Subject: Re: Shamless Advertisment. Status: O X-Status: >Q. Did SWAT-BOT's get all you guys? Or is the list just goinf through a >wee bad spell? I can't vouch for anyone else (AMAROQ!) but I'm only here on weekends and other schoolless times...hang in there, in 7 days my break starts... >< 'Nuff Said. From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 21:46:25 EST Subject: Re: Sonic This, Sonic That, Sonic The Ot Status: O X-Status: >For Pat Spaz - I don't think he can draw anyone wrong, especially Sally >[right, guys (issue #25, Sally on the bi-plane - SHWING!)]. DEFINITELY. Even I, who am normally one to scoff at those who drool over furries, found that pic, ummmmm, shwinging. >< Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 21:46:28 EST Subject: Re: (C) (TM) (R) -- Coming soon! Status: O X-Status: >Ohya.. more on the "Sally is a ground squirrel damnit!" thing, what if she >is partially vulpine and partially genus sciurus? Finally, someone who shares MY view! I wasn't planning on coming out and saying it until I thought the risk of having my head bit off through cyberspace was significantly reduced, but as there are more important things to worry about on the list now, I feel confident that has been achieved. >< Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:15:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Christmas Story Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-08 06:15:51 EST, you write: >Has anyone ever thought abput doing a story in wich Robotnik and the FF >get together, and have a Party, and get on, or have to join to togethe >over a common foe (mabey Packbell or something similar). > > Wouldn't work. Father and Son would be buzy kicking each other's @$$..... From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:15:10 -0500 Subject: Re: New Issue (fwd) Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-05 20:29:37 EST, you write: >I just got mine in the mail today. The first story, except for the fact >that it features Mr. St. John, the artwork is a major disapointment. :-( > > > I'd say. Lets find the dork who made this trash and roboticize his talentless . . . er . . . heh-heh . . . butt . . . i said butt . . . heh-heh . . .ahem, excuse me... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<---Get BAMmed From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 07:01:16 MST Subject: Baby Tails Makeover Status: O X-Status: For those of you who looked in my web page, you may have noticed a particular file in the text file section. It is a file dealing with how Tails looked as a baby. Well, after several weeks of making, remaking, and editing, I am pleased and proud to say, "It is finished." Go and check it out. It looks really good with Netscape. The file not only explains how Tails looked as a baby, but it is also a step-by-step guide on how to make a diaper for a CalToy Tails doll. He just looks so cute in those diapers!!! Like I said, check it out. For those of you who don't have Netscape or anything compatable, there are links to all of the pictures to help you out. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | From rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 18:27:32 GMT Subject: Baby Tails Makeover Status: O X-Status: -> From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) -> The file not only explains how Tails looked as a baby, but it is -> also a step-by-step guide on how to make a diaper for a CalToy Tails -> doll. He just looks so cute in those diapers!!! Yeah. Right. (Have you considered therapy?) Diapers on Tails. Brings back horrid memories of some of the more offensive eps of the weekday Sonic... (shudder) Rob From BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ron Bauerle Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 22:07:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Art's sister, was Re: Sonic #31 (for FAQ File) Status: O X-Status: >From: Benny7dude@aol.com >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:14:19 -0500 >Hate to break it to everyone, but Pat Spaziante's lovely sister Dawn is >happily engaged to be married soon! Sorry! Story of my life - all the good ones are taken (insert violins here...) Anyway, congratulate her for me! Ron Bauerle From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 06:34:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Shamless Advertisment. (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:34:31 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Re: Shamless Advertisment. Forgive my ignorance, but what's an S3M? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 09:50:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Shamless Advertisment. (fwd) Status: O X-Status: >Forgive my ignorance, but what's an S3M? An S3M is a Scream Tracker v3 Module. If you need a player for this type of audio file, I've got a couple of good ones which I can send to anybody, or you can get them off of the WWW. If anybody needs it, just ask. Matt From rat@granite.mv.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ratman Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 10:54:35 -0500 Subject: new pictures Status: O X-Status: http://rat.org/pub/sonic/images/tv/ ftp://rat.org/pub/sonic/images/tv/ Frame grabs from the sat. AM show. I think I'll be getting more soon too. Half are either of Bunny or the different bots. well, enjoy. From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:24:22 +0200 Subject: Re: New stories, what's next? Status: O X-Status: >>On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, I wrote: >> >>> ANNOUNCEMENTS: Upgrades to my page will commence this week, and will >>> primarily involve adding graphics and backgrounds. Hope you enjoy. >>> >> >>And I did! The graphics are up and running so, if you have Netscape or >>some other graphical browser, I do hope you'll stop by sometime. Enjoy! Nice Dave, Nice! Now, what about getting one of those counter features? It would be great to see how many other Sonic Fan_z there are out there! Darn, this is a short message. Cheers Ablater From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 95 19:47:29 MST Subject: Baby Tails - Formal Appoligy Status: O X-Status: For all of you who tried to download the Baby Tails Makeover file and could not access it - I appoligize. The link has been fixed, and it is now accessable. Once again, I appoligize for any problems I caused for not having it set up right. :_-( I AM SOOO SOORYYYYY!!! (in an appoligetic, yet quivering voice) Thank you... -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | From alexmon1@data.net.mx Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:03:20 -0600 Subject: New on rat.org.SonicCarols for Christmas! (only Sonicfans,please) Status: O X-Status: Hi there It=B4s me again..your friend Alex! Well I=B4ve had some English classes in that they thought me some songs for singing at a special event at my school.And well I hadnt anything to do one day and I decided to convert the songs for Sonicfans(how crazy, not?). Now you can sing with your Sonic and Tails stuffed dolls.Look at rat.org pub/sonic/text/carolson ....and Merry Christmas for you all!!!! My new story is going to be soon to on rat.org just wait...if Im outta line for that time..my story is called "Batckles:Knuckles=B4evil twin". Bye!!!! From dgonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: dgonterman@aol.com (David Gonterman) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:01:59 GMT Subject: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: To Sonic Mailing List: Over the weekend, I had a call from Edward Becerra and we were talking about our respective works. He commented that I should be doing the next Sonic Cartoon, or at least so some of the Comic Books; he believes that my stories are *that* good. Now, I know that Paul C. from Archie Comics reads this mailing list, and I want to ask him if he has read Blood and Metal, and does he think I've got potential to be in the Sonic the Hedgehog comic book (One of the reasons why I'm doing BAM is to look for job prospects in the Comic Book field anyway)? I can easily make a Comics Code edition of the story where the violence and cussing are removed but not the plot. (I mainly threw that in the origional version to influence popularity anyway >;-]) Please, let me know. If you haven't read BAM, I'll E-Mail you a copy. Just let me know. Just looking for a future in my field of choice. David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<--Get BAMmed!!! From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:31:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: David: From what I can recall, you certainly have a good imagination regarding the Sonic characters. I suggest you mail some brief plot synopses to Sonic editor Scott Fulop. "Brief" is the key word. Unfortunately, due to the heavy work load, editors do not have the time to read detailed manuscripts. I suggest you send him synopses for a minimum of three stories. Keep the synopsis of each down to two paragraphs at the most if possible. Only cover the main thrusts of the stories, without the extra details that flesh it out (you'll have to use your judgement on this as to how much is "too much" in the synopsis stage). Also, please note that Sega requires the stories to be action-packed and exciting, yet also humorous. The stories must have some funny moments and not be devoid of all humor. You can send your submissions to: Scott Fulop, Archie Comic Publications, Inc., 325 Fayette Avenue, Mamaroneck, NY 10543. Good luck! From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 16:31:21 MST Subject: Q: Fed Up With Ant. Status: O X-Status: I have a question. In the Second Season episode, "Fed Up With Antoine", Ant was found by a group of wild dogs, and made their king. Specifically, they didn't want "Ant Be-A-King," they wanted "Ant Ala-King." My question is, what was the name of those wild dogs? Thanx in advance to anyone who can tell me. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | The Miles "Tails" Prower |"Traveling through hyperspace| Jedi Knight, |Web Page is now officially | ain't like dusting crops, | Freelance | On-Line!!! Come and see! | boy!" Han Solo, StarWars | From BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ron Bauerle Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:39:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fwd: NEW AUCTION: Princess Sally Cel and Sketch Status: O X-Status: I'm curious as to why it was unsuccessful... RDB In a.f.sh, In article <4aig6a$cso@news.ameritel.net>, breezypt@atc.ameritel.net (breezypt) writes: >Hello! > >Since my last auction was unsucessful, I am starting new biddings on my >original Princess Sally Cel and Sketch. Bidding starts at $100. > >Please e-mail me with your bid for details. Thanks! > >-Emily "Robin" >Pocket Dragon Lover >BreezyPt@atc.ameritel.net From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:07:21 -0500 Subject: Re: New stories, what's next? Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-10 14:50:24 EST, you write: >Nice Dave, Nice! >Now, what about getting one of those counter features? It would be great to >see how many other Sonic Fan_z there are out there! > > I've got one. I'll have it running tonight... It'll be on the front door page.... http://users.aol.com/dgonterman ...now we'll find out just how popular I become... ........................AND NO STUFFING THE COUNTER *PLEASE*.... David Gonterman From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:49:13 +0200 Subject: mdest.S3M Status: O X-Status: Just out of interest had anyone listened to Dr D.'s Mobian Destiny yet? If so, what did you think? The guy is currently working on some more mega-songs, which we can expect to (hopefully) see soon. Anywayz.. as you might say: 'nuff said. Ablater From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:42:38 -0500 Subject: Re: mdest.S3M Status: O X-Status: >Just out of interest had anyone listened to Dr D.'s Mobian Destiny yet? If so, >what did you think? The guy is currently working on some more mega-songs, >which we can expect to (hopefully) see soon. I have. It's pretty cool. I like it! 8D Matt From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 19:45:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: mdest.S3M (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to mighty@en.com. /* Do not attempt to use the address in the From: header field below. */ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 19:32:08 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: mdest.S3M On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Matthew Penna wrote: > >Just out of interest had anyone listened to Dr D.'s Mobian Destiny yet? If so, > >what did you think? The guy is currently working on some more mega-songs, > >which we can expect to (hopefully) see soon. > > I have. It's pretty cool. I like it! 8D > > Matt > > Hey, what's this now...? Mobain Destiny? Never heard of it...where can I pick up a copy of this? Any help is, as always, apreciated. -MiGHTY From rotor@primenet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Bookshire Draftwood Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 19:42:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: New stories Status: O X-Status: The following stories are now available at my web page: by Joseph DeLaCroix: This Island Floating A Heart of Snow A Cold Shoulder COMING SOON: More links other Sonic pages on the Internet. +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:04:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: > > David: > > From what I can recall, you certainly have a good imagination regarding the > Sonic characters. I suggest you mail some brief plot synopses to Sonic > editor Scott Fulop. "Brief" is the key word. Unfortunately, due to the > heavy work load, editors do not have the time to read detailed manuscripts. > I suggest you send him synopses for a minimum of three stories. Keep the > synopsis of each down to two paragraphs at the most if possible. Only cover > the main thrusts of the stories, without the extra details that flesh it out > (you'll have to use your judgement on this as to how much is "too much" in > the synopsis stage). Also, please note that Sega requires the stories to be > action-packed and exciting, yet also humorous. The stories must have some > funny moments and not be devoid of all humor. You can send your submissions > to: Scott Fulop, Archie Comic Publications, Inc., 325 Fayette Avenue, > Mamaroneck, NY 10543. Good luck! > IMHO, this communique from Paul Castiglia explains a lot about Archie Comics. It has also thoroughly cured me of the desire to submit anything to Archie. I used to think that some of the lame angles and (IMHO) badly-timed humor in the comics was the fault of the writer -- the use of the "Cops" theme at the end of "A Scrambled Hedgehog" (#27) was particularly unforgivable. Having read the above, however, I now wonder whether the fault doesn't lie with the suits at Sega. I have to think seriously about how many of the fanfic stories I've read can pass muster with Sega's demand for "fast-paced and exciting, yet also humorous." The better ones go beyond those narrow bonds. They recognize that non-stop action and witty quips alone don't carry a story; there's also mood and emotional impact. Plotting a story by Sega's standards explains a lot, such as why Sonic and Uncle Chuck didn't take time out for a more heartfelt reunion in "The Return of Uncle Chuck" (#30). At least Pat Allee and Ben Hurst recognized this when they were writing for the second season of Sonic on ABC. So I'll stick with fanfic. It doesn't pay but being able to write what needs to be written (and not necessarily what meets Sega's demands) is infinitely more satisfying. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From SirKain@usa.pipeline.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: SirKain@usa.pipeline.com (Eric Goodwin) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:39:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: On Dec 14, 1995 09:04:35, 'drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen)' wrote: >So I'll stick with fanfic. It doesn't pay but being able to write what >needs to be written (and not necessarily what meets Sega's demands) is >infinitely more satisfying. I agree with ya there. I perfer fanfic over the comics. The stories I have read have been made MUCH better than the comics I have of Archie IMO. Most of the stories were written VERY well. What would be neat to me anyway, would be to see a comic of Bloodlines, or Temporal Syndrome. 'Course that'll never happen, but its nice to dream anyway. Kain From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:31:49 +0200 Subject: Body Temperatures. Status: O X-Status: Hiya all, Just a weird question out of interest, what body tempratures do the alterante freedom fighters species have. Ie.. If you were say.. Sonic, and you hugged Sally, would she be colder or hotter than you? Also wondering about the rest of the characters though.. (Bunnie/Rotor/Antoine) Anyone want to make a list_E of values? Cheers Ablater *----------------------------------------------------*--------------------- -------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### | Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # # | reality is "okay", but | | ###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### | virtuality? Gods, I'll | | # # # # # # # # # # # | never get this social | | # # ##### #### # # # #### # # | thing right! - Simon Howes | *----------------------------------------------------*--------------------- -------* From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:46:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: Daniel: I felt your reaction to my post was a bit overzealous. I never said the stories had to be devoid of mood and emotional impact. I just said they shouldn't be devoid of humor. What about a story that combines action, humor, mood and emotional impact? If you feel it hasn't been done yet, the fault probably lies mainly in the fact that the comic format is restricted-- there are only so many pages alloted per issue for stories. But that doesn't mean it can't be done... Best regards, Paul Castiglia, ARCHIE COMICS From BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ron Bauerle Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:28:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: >From: Benny7dude@aol.com >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:46:08 -0500 >I felt your reaction to my post was a bit overzealous. Agreed :^) >I never said the stories had to be devoid of mood and emotional impact. The ones with Julayana (sp?) and Tails and Fiona certainly had that (admittedly the latter was maybe a bit overdone, but still...) >I just said they shouldn't be devoid of humor. What about a story that >combines action, humor, mood and emotional impact? If you feel it hasn't >been done yet, the fault probably lies mainly in the fact that the comic >format is restricted--there are only so many pages alloted per issue for >stories. But that doesn't mean it can't be done... Maybe this just points out the limitations _and_ benefits of comics vs. animation vs. fan-fic: Comics may be the most restrictive in terms of space, but they're more readily accessible (i.e., you don't need a TV or an Internet connection to look at them :^)) and/or cheaper to produce than animation and fan-fic. Animation is the most expensive to produce, but often the most enjoyable (IMHO) - both to look at, and to see/hear the characters interacting (I suppose if your imagination is powerful enough, comics and fan-fic will allow it too...) Fan-fic allows the most flexibility (sometimes too much so), but is visually unappealing, and takes the most time to absorb (which is one reason I haven't read most of it; the grimness of what I have read being the other). So each medium has their place, and we should all accept that, and concentrate on the one(s) we like best. RDB From uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: John Bintz Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:15:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Body Temperatures. Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Simon Howes wrote: > Just a weird question out of interest, what body tempratures do the > alterante freedom fighters species have. Ie.. If you were say.. Sonic, and > you hugged Sally, would she be colder or hotter than you? Also wondering Let's hope warmer. 8^) John C. Bintz - * uv334@freenet.victoria.bc.ca * WWW: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/10794/home.html "Marge, Marge, Marge... When kids today say 'bad', they mean 'good'... And to 'shake your booty' means to wiggle one's butt... Permit me to demonstrate..." -Homer Simpson From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:58:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Body Temperatures. Status: O X-Status: >Hiya all, > >Just a weird question out of interest, what body tempratures do the >alterante freedom fighters species have. Ie.. If you were say.. Sonic, and >you hugged Sally, would she be colder or hotter than you? Also wondering >about the rest of the characters though.. (Bunnie/Rotor/Antoine) Anyone want >to make a list_E of values? I feel silly, but considering that I'm the biology freak of this group, I guess it's up to me. Unfortunately, my CD-Rom encyclopedia doesn't go into enough detail to find that out, so I better break out the old Brittannica 30 volume set. From rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 03:11:19 GMT Subject: On Bunnie Biology... Status: O X-Status: It's been brought up before, repeatedly... but since Mr. Castaglia has announced his presence on the list, I shall bring it up again. In the SatAM show, Bunnie Rabbot wears a bottom-half to her leotard, implying that her entire torso is biological. However, in the comics, her lower half is apparently metallic-- robotic, if you will, and (understandably) has been since her introduction. Frankly, I-- and most of the others here on the list-- find the first preferable, (for purely esthetic reasons, I assure you. (: ) Are there any plans to bring her into line (her character design, that is) with the SatAM show's version? Rob From bsc4034@hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Symon Kielb Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:28:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Body Temps... (Is it me or am i the only one who finds it strange??) Status: O X-Status: I would persume, being that im NOT a Biolagist and only useing my imagination here, that there body temps would be about the same..... I mean they all appear to have evoulved into bipedial lifeforms of simillar form, with the certain characteristics of the root speciecs, they would all share a common area for a body temp, like Humans..... well thats my two pence worth Im off for Chrissy holidays today, so HOHOHO merry Christmas, Dont get to MERRY *nuge nuge wink wink* and ill read you all in the new year =-> *image of a person skipping of into the distances sining christmas carols, and wearing a funny hat* Symon Kielb bsc4034@dcs.napier.ac.uk ..oo$00ooo.. ..ooo00$oo. .o$$$$$$$$$' '$$$$$$$$$o. .o$$$$$$$$$" . . "$$$$$$$$$o. .o$$$$$$$$$$~ /$ $\ ~$$$$$$$$$$o. .{$$$$$$$$$$$. $\___/$ .$$$$$$$$$$$}. o$$$$$$$$$$$$8 .$$$$$$$. 8$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. o$$$$$$$o .$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. o{$$$$$$$}o .$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ^$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. 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I just said they > shouldn't be devoid of humor. What about a story that combines action, > humor, mood and emotional impact? If you feel it hasn't been done yet, the > fault probably lies mainly in the fact that the comic format is restricted-- > there are only so many pages alloted per issue for stories. But that doesn't > mean it can't be done... > > Best regards, > Paul Castiglia, ARCHIE COMICS > Paul, OK, I'll admit to being a little...overboard in my previous post. But I don't think it's without reason. I only began being interested in the comics with issue #18. Specifically, I was impressed with the way Kanterovich & Penders handled the death of Julayla in "In The Still Of The Night" (Sally's Crusade, Part 2). They avoided using the D-word -- whether it's a Code thing or Archie Comics policy, I don't know -- but there was no escaping the turn of the plot. If any story set the standard for "mood and emotional impact" in the context of the Sonic stories, that had to be it. By contrast, Decesare wasn't as adept at handling the presumed death of Sonic in "That's The Spirit" (#20). Tails' dogged insistance that Sonic was still alive was good, but it could have been played off the grief of the others a bit more. And Sally's curt "Get over it!" attitude seemed all wrong. If my last post was intemperate, I can only say it was because Gallagher's "Growing Pains" two-parter (#28-29) left such a bad taste in my mouth. The story had such promise, and it was so eagerly followed by Tails' fans, only to turn into an enormous train wreck in Part 2. Even now I can't look at the thing without thinking in terms of how to rewrite it. Others were quick to spot the flaws in the plot: Tails' escape from the roboticizer and Fiona's instant "rusting" were equally contrived. Worst of all, Gallagher waits until literally the last page to practically hand the reader the premise of the Tails miniseries on a silver plate. There was virtually no foreshadowing, almost no connection with what Tails had just gone through. It was simply a case of bad writing. I'm aware that there are limitations to the medium; sometimes an artist needs more space. In this matter, Japanese _manga_ (with stories that continue on for hundreds of pages) indulge in a luxury that few American artists can afford. Serializing some stories and adapting them as "miniseries" is a step in the right direction. Still, the question goes back to how well the story is written. Just the $.02 of a fan, ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:12:06 -0500 Subject: Re: On Bunnie Biology... Status: O X-Status: Rob: I will pass on this note to the Sonic editor, and if he can provide me with an answer, I will post it here. Stay tooned... Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:05:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: Daniel: Your 2 cents is always welcome. You bring up good points. I guess a lot of it comes down to who is writing the stories as well. Angelo DeCesare's specialty has always been humor, while Penders and Kanterovich have worked on their fair share of "serious" super-hero comics. I have noted much disfavor with some of the recent stories being voiced here online (including the Tails mini-series) and have passed on those messages to the editor. While there are no guarantees (as always, SEGA ultimately has the final say), perhaps your concerns will result in changes. Thanks as always for being a fan! Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:34:35 -0500 Subject: Re: On Bunnie Biology... Status: O X-Status: To all concerned: The reason for the disparity as it's been related to me is that our Bunnie is based on the original model sheets drafted by Sega artists. They continue to approve her being drawn in this fashion and have not asked our artists to switch to the Saturday morning cartoon style. Hope this answers the question... Best, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:21:53 -0500 Subject: Probably a misunderstanding Status: O X-Status: Doug: To suggest that we stole a character is unfounded, and frankly, preposterous (and I'm not saying that in a mean way, just as a statement of fact). If comic companies (or any other company) did that, they'd be asking for trouble. No company wants lawsuits. It is most likely that the character was already created by SEGA before we received your letter (although maybe not before we printed the story with the character you claim we ripped off). Most "big corporations" do not risk the legal ramifications of pilfering ideas from the mail room. I do suggest, however, that if you do feel strongly about this you should send a letter to the Sonic editor voicing your concerns, along with whatever materials you feel you could put forth as "proof." I'm sure it's only a misunderstanding and coincidence... Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:43:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: Dear Doug LoConti: To suggest that we stole a character is unfounded, and frankly, preposterous (and I'm not saying that in a mean way, just as a statement of fact). If comic companies (or any other company) did that, they'd be asking for trouble. No company wants lawsuits. It is most likely that the character was already created by SEGA before we received your girlfriend's letter. All of the characters and storylines are created months and months before they actually see print, which would explain the character you claim we ripped off turning up in a comic after receipt of the letter. Most "big corporations" do not (and would not) risk the legal ramifications of pilfering ideas from the mail room. I do suggest, however, that if you do feel strongly about this you should send a letter to the Sonic editor voicing your concerns, along with whatever materials you feel you could put forth as "proof." I'm sure it's only a misunderstanding and coincidence... Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From firmiss@cae.wisc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: James Firmiss Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:19:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: On Bunnie Biology... Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Robert Haynie wrote: > It's been brought up before, repeatedly... but since Mr. Castaglia > has announced his presence on the list, I shall bring it up again. > > In the SatAM show, Bunnie Rabbot wears a bottom-half to her leotard, > implying that her entire torso is biological. However, in the comics, > her lower half is apparently metallic-- robotic, if you will, and > (understandably) has been since her introduction. Personally, I've always liked the way she has green eyes on the SatAM show instead of the blue eyes in the comics. This has been brought up too. I'm glad that Archie decided to keep the 'old' design of Rotor. He really looked awful in the 2nd season of the SatAM show. --> James Firmiss From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:16:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Problems with Ratman's Homepage Status: O X-Status: Well, it's happening again: I try to Netscape over to: http://rat.org/pub/sonic/ and all I get for my troubles is a message that "File Contains No Data." If I go directly to http://rat.org/pub/sonic/images/tv/ or whatever, I can view stuff no sweat. But I get the NO Data message every time I try to get back to the parent directory. Has my machine gone screwy on me, or has anyone else had these problems? ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:01:41 -0500 Subject: Re: mdest.S3M Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-13 18:24:27 EST, you write: >>Just out of interest had anyone listened to Dr D.'s Mobian Destiny yet? If >so, >>what did you think? The guy is currently working on some more mega-songs, >>which we can expect to (hopefully) see soon. > > I haven't heard that song. Where do you get it? David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<--Get BAMmed.... From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:01:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-14 10:12:21 EST, you write: >I agree with ya there. I perfer fanfic over the comics. The stories I have >read have been made MUCH better than the comics I have of Archie IMO. Most >of the stories were written VERY well. What would be neat to me anyway, >would be to see a comic of Bloodlines, or Temporal Syndrome. 'Course >that'll never happen, but its nice to dream anyway. > I think I'll make a submit anyway. Even if it *is* watered down, and doesn't have as much of the good stuff (like the romance with Suni, and the rounds with Packbell) it *will* be a big break in the conics field. Maybe I can get Archie to make two versions; a GA-rated one for kids, and the MA-version for the rest of us who want the *real* story... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<--Get BAMmed... From rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: rhaynie@jaguar.ac.edu (Robert Haynie) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:54:10 GMT Subject: Sally and the pink bikini-- a minor descrepancy. Status: O X-Status: I was loking through some of my older Sonics, and came across the gag bit about Sally in a hot-pink string bikini (where she says,in effect, no way). Now, it suddenly occurred to me that her objection cannot be that a bikini is immodest, because Sally normally don't wear ANY clothes (other than the on-again, off again vest and her boots). After long and careful consideration I have com to the conclusion that he Princess's true objection was that Pink isn't her color. Really, it's not. She'd look Awful in pink. I'd suggest a french-cut two-piecer, in black with red or blue piping. (: rob, who has this thing about fashion From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:33:06 +0200 Subject: Re: mdest.S3M Status: O X-Status: >In a message dated 95-12-13 18:24:27 EST, you write: > >>>Just out of interest had anyone listened to Dr D.'s Mobian Destiny yet? If >>so, >>>what did you think? The guy is currently working on some more mega-songs, >>>which we can expect to (hopefully) see soon. >> >> > >I haven't heard that song. Where do you get it? Ratmans Sonic Sight under Sonic/music Enjoy.. RENAME(ABLATER, SUPREME_OVERLORD); ^ Error: You can't do that! *------------------------------------------------*--------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right! - Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------- -* From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:36:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Probably a misunderstanding (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to mighty@en.com. /* Do not attempt to use the address in the From: header field below. */ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: Benny7dude@aol.com Cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Probably a misunderstanding On Fri, 15 Dec 1995 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > Doug: > > To suggest that we stole a character is unfounded, and frankly, preposterous > (and I'm not saying that in a mean way, just as a statement of fact). If > comic companies (or any other company) did that, they'd be asking for > trouble. No company wants lawsuits. It is most likely that the character > was already created by SEGA before we received your letter (although maybe > not before we printed the story with the character you claim we ripped off). > Most "big corporations" do not risk the legal ramifications of pilfering > ideas from the mail room. I do suggest, however, that if you do feel > strongly about this you should send a letter to the Sonic editor voicing your > concerns, along with whatever materials you feel you could put forth as > "proof." I'm sure it's only a misunderstanding and coincidence... > > Best regards, > Paul Castiglia > ARCHIE COMICS > I'm sure it is... :) if I came on too strong, i apologize. But, in the same token, I have many friends that have created cahrachters...what is the odds that ARCHIE would use these charachters in an STH comic book? It'd be cool to see a special issue with these charathers... (pardon my spelling, I was in a hurry!) -Doug From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:33:12 +0200 Subject: Art Related. Status: O X-Status: The other night.. no actually it was a morning, about 3onwards after my FT session, I had the dangest dream. Now don't call me a nutcase, no.. my family and friends do that.. don't call me a geek, my girlfriends already donw that, don't laugh at me.. that would be so improper and unoriginal.. but in this dream Bunnie had Tails pinned lying on the floor with her robotic arm on his stomach, Sally was tickling him on the chest, and his feet were kicking the soil like on "I am Hiroshima" scale. (Perhaps it was like the canine scratch spot/kick leg effort.) Now, I am open to someone telling me what it means (or guessing), though I already have had, "Too much FT" and "Foxes are magical mystical creatures, while squirells and rabbits symbolize.. bla bla", but what I think would be cooler is if someone would draw a piccy of it! (If you give me the B/W.. I'll do a mega colour version. Check the Tails page for a pic I 256'ed and shaded.) So, come on pleeaaaaaaassseeeee! "..and then.. a lightning bolt came down, and *somehow* it fried the electric lines, just as I *accidently* got coffie in my keyboard. But my computer didn't explode, not.. *somehow* it became sentient, and fell in love with my *girlfriend*" That is fantasy , however if it had, "And my girlfriend now rejects me" it would be reality. The_Void << Ablater {FLUSH! And I'm in the code segment!} *------------------------------------------------*--------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right! - Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------- -* From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:32:35 +0200 Subject: Re: Body Temps... (Is it me or am i the only one who finds it strange??) Status: O X-Status: > I would persume, being that im NOT a Biolagist and only useing my=20 >imagination here, that there body temps would be about the same..... >I mean they all appear to have evoulved into bipedial lifeforms of=20 >simillar form, with the certain characteristics of the root speciecs,=20 >they would all share a common area for a body temp, like Humans..... >well thats my two pence worth Hmm.. not exactly, simply being sentient doesn't lock anybody to a set standard.. ie by the same thing you would suggest Robotnik should have the same altitude as Sonic, or maybe even a similar aerial photo. hehe.. A lotta thing influence tempratures like lung size etc, now in my opinion Sonic would be colder than Sally, simply because of his larger lungs.. unless of cause one of his great relatives was a shark, in which case he is quite close in design to a motor-bike.. and will give the little children "JAWS" scares for eternity.. But anyway, bigger lungs =3D after he runs, he will be a lot hotter than Sally... that's my guess on them. >Im off for Chrissy holidays today, so HOHOHO merry Christmas, Dont get to= =20 >MERRY *nuge nuge wink wink* and ill read you all in the new year =3D-> Whoaahaay! >*image of a person skipping of into the distances sining christmas=20 >carols, and wearing a funny hat*=20 Images of my father weilding a 9mil and shouting, "WHAT THE PHREAK ARE YOU DOING ON THE NET AT THIS HOUR?!?"=20 also.. Images of Robotnik as Santa.. oh gods.. then I begin to shudder again and remember the syndicated series.. and begin to imagine the lamer robots which can bend expressions into their TITANIUM faces, and interface by popping a chip in a toaster.. And I see Robotnik trying to trick Sonic and Tails... ARGHH! DIE OF LAMENESS! Enjoying the weather up there? :=B7)=20 = *------------------------------------------------*-------------------------= -* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in = | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but = | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll = | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social = | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right! - Simon= Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------- -* = =20 =20 From alexmon1@data.net.mx Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 23:29:43 -0600 Subject: Hi there Sonic fans!Here is my new story"Batckles:Knuckles's evil twin" Status: O X-Status: Hiyas! I hope you be well again after all those things that had happend like getting out the perv directory.And to cheer you up the day I have a great new for Christmas time..I have made my first story;it was made with the help of Erich Schulman who helped me to correct my grammar and vocabulary.And there are too the Sonic Christmas carols.Well that s my great new and I hope you have a Merry Christmas with all your loved beings and relatives.I wont be back on the net until next year so dont send your opinions about the story until July when I=B4ll be back.Im outta line for six months.I hope you like= my memento.Bye you all Sonic fans......Your friend Alex wishes you a new year full of happiness and her best wishes for you. The Sonic carols are in:/pub/sonic/texts/soncarol.txt The Story is in:/pub/sonic/stories/batckles.txt My story is a very fan.fiction stylish...you know for first time Sonic dies, it=B4s like a drama in that Knuckles sacrifices himself to save to Sonic. From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:18:44 +0200 Subject: Pink is plain. Status: O X-Status: Whoever is was that suggested pink wasn't Sally's colour was wrong, it actually doesn't cause a conflict with her.. it just makes her look plain. I should know. Long Story Here>> I got locked in a building today when I went to repair Ian's pentium. The stupid moron had told me the door keys were on the table, just before he left for some wedding or funeral or something. Well, I fixed the problem on his PC, his modem wasn't dialing because he had the LINE plugged into the phone connector on the back. So I was all pleased with myself and charged up/ready to go home and do some coding... great.. only the keys weren't on the table.. they weren't on any table in the entire place.. Normally, I could have climbed out the window.. hopped the fence and been gone.. only Ian lives the tenth floor in an apartment building.. briefly I looked out the window and considered walking across the ledging.. however the strong wind that jerked my head.. was more than sufficient to cool me back into town-life captivity. I turned on the television.. Sport.. on every channel... except for one, which was shoved full of politically correct crap. (Where the debators have scripts!) NO.. I couldn't take that.. I turned on his computer, he had a game menu... I went into it and lo and behold.. Golf... tetris... and Pinball. I HATE THOSE GAMES! I glanced at the door, it was only thin wood, a few succesive flying-kicks would more than suffice to destroy it. I cursed myself for being so damned responsible. I watched the Lotus 123 tutorial.. twice.=20 I tried to crash golf.. but was rewarded by it crashing in the title screen, thus saving me the task. Then I stumbled across AutoDesk Animator.. amazingly he had it on his hard drive, it wasn't the latest version, but it still was worth it. I know how to use animator as Leslie my good friend has it, so I went straight to work. I drew trees, tried to draw Ablater my FurrToonia character, but he ended up looking like Mickey Mouse. (Ironic since Ab is a lynx) Finally I let my mind drift, and then I decided I would do it.. I would draw princess Sally.. in SwimWear. Well.. three hours went by, and with it too many cups of coffie. Ian finally came back. (By then I had just finished Sal's shading.) I stuck it on a disk and came back home. I looked at the picture a bit, and wished I had pir8et a copy of animator. Well too bad I thought.. however as fate should have it, I had to feed Les's doggies. (He's on holiday with the Elephants ,Giraffes and Zebra)=20 I was at his house for 2 hours. And I changed textures a lot. Here are my texture and colour votes: =20 Faded Tiger : 2 Tiger Orange/Red : 4 Faded Pink Blotches: 6 Faded Gold : 7=20 Gold Specks : 8 Blue Specks : 10 Well, I now have the GIF. and am sending it to Ratman, Oh ya, she is holding a towel, and is in the meditation room I described on Furtoonia. Blue is better on her.. that's why her boots were blue in the first place. Oh yah to Archie Comics: "Kill the boots guys, and give her blue sneaker/ white socks!" I did this in my picture and.. WHOOOOHAAAY! Needless to say, I will be needing to either replace or dry out my keyboard of drool. :=B7) I also tried to do a Sega nose. To all artists, stop drawing the white spot on the top of Tails nose... his nose is reflective, and reflects his muzzle. Take a look at the SEGA pics of him and Sonic (Their noses reflect them!) Well, I did this with Sal's nose too, but I don't think her nose is reflective, WHAA! Oh well...=20 Well. I'm sending the pic to rat_man now.. cheers All! .. Blue is better! *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* =20 From rat@granite.mv.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ratman Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:09:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Pink is plain. Status: O X-Status: Ok, I converted that image to JPEG and added it. http://rat.org/pub/sonic/images/drawn/bikini.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:43:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Alex's story and a Bunny question (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:51:00 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Alex's story and a Bunny question I just read Alex's e-mail about the new Batchkles (sp?) story. However, she failed to mention the name of the ftp site at which it can be found. Does anyone know the name of the site? I'd really like to read the story. (I'd ask Alex, but she said she'd be off the 'net for about 6 months.) Also, here's a hypothetical question for all you Sonic fans to consider: Suppose Bunny HAD BEEN partially roboticized in "Blast to the Past-Part 2". Would the robot part of her body have grown at the same rate as (if it would have grown at all, that is) the organic part? I hope so, or she wouldn't have been a pretty sight as, say, a teenager! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:59:57 -0500 Subject: Hey, Sega! Status: O X-Status: Well, just lookie what I found on alt.slack the other day... -- Begin Forwarded Message -- From modemac@netcom17.netcom.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 Newsgroups: alt.slack Path: madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net! ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!modemac From: modemac@netcom.com (Modemac) Subject: Conspiracy vs. the Net...AGAIN! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:18:06 GMT Lines: 38 Sender: modemac@netcom17.netcom.com Status: O X-Status: Hear hye, hear ye, hear ye! I, a Duly Ordained SubGenius Minster, do hereby make this MYSTIC PROPHECY using the clairvoyance granted me by my attainment of the Sacred State of Slack: THERE WILL BE MORE AND MORE INCIDENTS OCCURING WHERE THE CONSPIRACY TRIES TO SILENCE THE INTERNET. Here's a Web page for you to look at that proves the truth of this prophecy: http://www.rru.com/rru/tru/ This is the URL for the Web page known as "Roadkills R Us." As the title suggests, this Web page makes fun of Toys-R-Us, the megastore chain that drove Child World out of business and is gobbling up the competition. What did the Web page in question do? Why, they merely made fun of the giraffe that Toys-R-Us has as its corporate symbol. And what did Toys-R-Us do in return? They threatened a lawsuit against the owner of the Web page. What's more, they "confidentially" contacted his Internet service provider and requested that his access to the Internet be removed ENTIRELY. In the grand tradition of the Net, these actions backfired. The page is now very popular, and the person running the p[age has gotten coverage in newspapers and on TV. Thanks to the 2 Live Crew case, parody and satire is protected under the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, Toys-R-Us doesn't have a leg to stand on...so instead, they've tried to act like bullies. Typical for the Conspiracy, don't you think? -- Reverend Modemac (modemac@netcom.com) First Online Church of "Bob" "There is no black and white." PGP Key Fingerprint: 47 90 41 70 B4 5B 06 90 7B 38 4E 11 8A ED 80 DF URL: http://www.tiac.net/users/modemac/ (FINGER modemac@netcom.com for a FREE SubGenius Pamphlet!) -- End Forwarded Message -- Ahh, I just love when the bad guys lose... Joe. -- -- Joseph deLaCroix -- Professional Idiot Exterminator -- Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an account for an account "Act like a dumbshit, and they'll treat you as an equal." -- "Bob" Dobbs From alexmon1@data.net.mx Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:51:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Alex's story and a Bunny question (fwd) Status: O X-Status: >This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author >directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:51:00 -0500 (EST) >From: Theodore Patri Perrotti >To: sonic >Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti >Subject: Alex's story and a Bunny question > >I just read Alex's e-mail about the new Batchkles (sp?) story. However, >she failed to mention the name of the ftp site at which it can be found. >Does anyone know the name of the site? I'd really like to read the >story. (I'd ask Alex, but she said she'd be off the 'net for about 6 >months.) Hey Im online until 31 of December...you can send me your comments but soon before I be off. The address is the rat.org http://rat.org/pub/sonic/stories/batckles.txt http://rat.org/pub/sonic/texts/soncarol.txt > >Also, here's a hypothetical question for all you Sonic fans to consider: >Suppose Bunny HAD BEEN partially roboticized in "Blast to the Past-Part >2". Would the robot part of her body have grown at the same rate as (if >it would have grown at all, that is) the organic part? I hope so, or she >wouldn't have been a pretty sight as, say, a teenager! What can I say I ve only read just a bit about Bunny's growth but according with them(the sonicfans) yes.Just give a check to Bloodlines. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog > >Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) > perrottit.mbr@asme.org > >Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester >Polytechnic Institute >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From ranunez@cwo.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Richard Nunez Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:07:38 -0800 Subject: Re: UNSUBCRIBE Status: O X-Status: unsubcribe From rat@granite.mv.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ratman Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:52:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Hey, Sega! Status: O X-Status: > Well, just lookie what I found on alt.slack the other day... That's really nice, but what the hell does that have to do with Sonic? This is known as "spam" and is a definate no-no. Don't do it again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:45:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Hey, Sega! Status: O X-Status: Well, I'm probably going to get yelled at for this, too, but I figured I should at least -try- to explain why I sent that through the list. Quite simply, I saw a post on Usenet that noted a problem quite similar to that of what we had recently with Sega about the `Mature Material' section of the Sonic WWW page. It was -not- a plug for the parody of the `Toys `R' Us' web page, as such. At least, that bit wasn't intentional. Anyway, the whole point of that message was to show that we *do* have a leg to stand on here about the snuff pieces. It's not much, but it's something. Okay, so it wasn't directly Sonic related. But it WAS fanfic related. If that message annoyed anyone, I'm sorry. I don't go out and do things just to annoy people, after all, so I send you my apologies. I just thought you guys should know. Now, let's change the subject to something a bit more interesting... Joe. -- -- Joseph deLaCroix -- Professional Idiot Exterminator -- Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an account for an account "Act like a dumbshit, and they'll treat you as an equal." -- "Bob" Dobbs From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:02:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Looking for Paul C.... Status: O X-Status: > > I think I'll make a submit anyway. Even if it *is* watered down, and doesn't > have as much of the good stuff (like the romance with Suni, and the rounds > with Packbell) it *will* be a big break in the conics field. Maybe I can get > Archie to make two versions; a GA-rated one for kids, and the MA-version for > the rest of us who want the *real* story... > > David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] > http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<--Get BAMmed... > Dave, Despite crossing swords with P.C. on the subject, I might want to submit something as well. Hey, at least it's fodder for fanfic if it gets rejected. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From firmiss@cae.wisc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: James Firmiss Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:29:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Image grabbin' Status: O X-Status: There's a set of images at Rat's site : //rat.org/pub/sonic/images/icons/msonic/ These look like they're been somehow grabbed from the data in the Sonic 2 cartridge (or compiled from lots n lots of screen-grabs) I was wondering if anyone knew how these were made and if this could be done with Tails and Knuckles (from Sonic 3 & S&K). From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:16:33 -0500 Subject: A note to Doug LoConti Status: O X-Status: Dear Doug: Every time I try to email you personally, the mail is returned to me-- somehow, I can't seem to send mail to your server. Therefore, please forgive me for once again answering you through the mailing list. There's nothing really personal in my message, however, so all can read... Anyway, you asked if it would be possible for Archie to use characters created by fans in our Sonic comics. Unfortunately, the likelihood of this is basically non-existant due to the reasons I previously mentioned. First, SEGA creates most if not all of the characters in our Sonic comics, and second, they do not want to open themselves (or Archie Comics, for that matter) to a lawsuit. Let me give you an example of why they (and we) have this policy: a few years ago, we ran a recipe contest in "Jughead's Diner." As a prize, the winners had both their recipes printed and their likeness as an Archie-style character drawn within a story. Each winner and their guardian had to sign a "permission" form stating we could reprint their recipe and use their likeness. Well, the father of the grand prize winner refused to sign and sent us a letter full of "legaleze" claiming we could potentially gain all sorts of financial profit and publicity from using the recipe and his daughter's likeness, and that they should get a cut of all that. Of course, that's a ridiculous notion-- we certainly didn't get rich printing the kid's letter-- it was just like printing a fan letter. Of course, the kid just wanted to win and get her name and recipe listed in the book, in addition to her "appearance" in a comic story, and this move by her litigous-minded dad greatly upset her! Luckily, cooler heads (in the form of her mother) prevailed, and we were able to run her recipe. And guess what-- again, we didn't get rich off of it ! Needless to say, then, rather than run the risk of something like that, most companies prefer to wipe their hands clean of using the customer's "ideas." Hope this answers your question... Best regards, and have happy and safe holidays! Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From optimus@canit.se Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Iggy \"Optimus\" Drougge" Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:11:28 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Hey, Sega! Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Ratman wrote: > > Well, just lookie what I found on alt.slack the other day... > > That's really nice, but what the hell does that have to do with Sonic? > This is known as "spam" and is a definate no-no. > Don't do it again. He was obviously referring to the removal of your perb directory. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! From rotor@PrimeNet.Com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Bookshire Draftwood Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:49:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 18 Dec 1995 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, you asked if it would be possible for Archie to use characters > created by fans in our Sonic comics. Unfortunately, the likelihood of this > is basically non-existant due to the reasons I previously mentioned. First, > SEGA creates most if not all of the characters in our Sonic comics, and > second, they do not want to open themselves (or Archie Comics, for that > matter) to a lawsuit. Let me give you an example of why they (and we) have > this policy: a few years ago, we ran a recipe contest in "Jughead's Diner." > As a prize, the winners had both their recipes printed and their likeness as > an Archie-style character drawn within a story. Each winner and their > guardian had to sign a "permission" form stating we could reprint their > recipe and use their likeness. Well, the father of the grand prize winner > refused to sign and sent us a letter full of "legaleze" claiming we could > potentially gain all sorts of financial profit and publicity from using the > recipe and his daughter's likeness, and that they should get a cut of all > that. Of course, that's a ridiculous notion-- we certainly didn't get rich > printing the kid's letter-- it was just like printing a fan letter. Of > course, the kid just wanted to win and get her name and recipe listed in the > book, in addition to her "appearance" in a comic story, and this move by her > litigous-minded dad greatly upset her! Luckily, cooler heads (in the form of > her mother) prevailed, and we were able to run her recipe. And guess what-- > again, we didn't get rich off of it ! Needless to say, then, rather than > run the risk of something like that, most companies prefer to wipe their > hands clean of using the customer's "ideas." Hope this answers your > question... Hmmm, well, it may answer his question, but it raises one in my mind. Might I inquire...just where did the writers come up with the 'Dragonspine Mountain Range' which, in case you forget, appeared in a Knuckles story a few issues back (I'll get back to you with the issue number if you need it.) It so happens that a friend of mine of FurtooniaMUCK has been working on an area by the exact same name since March, and it freaked him out that you had something by the same name in a story just a few months later. Now, neither he nor I are making ANY accusations whatsoever. We simply are curious as to where you got the idea from. And, happy holuidays to you too. +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rat@granite.mv.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ratman Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:50:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Image grabbin' Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, James Firmiss wrote: > There's a set of images at Rat's site : > //rat.org/pub/sonic/images/icons/msonic/ The correct address is rat.org/pub/sonic/images/desktop/msonic it's been that way for a while. Just in case anyone tries looking at it... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:24:27 -0500 Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti Status: O X-Status: "Dragonspine Mountain Range," eh? I'll have to look into that... From empire@eden.rutgers.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Michael Kraft Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:04:56 -0500 Subject: Sonic on The Simpsons Status: O X-Status: In last night's X-mas episode Bart wanted a video game and is trying to decide whether or not to shoplift it. A bunch of video game characters come out to try to get him to do it. Among them are: Mario, Luigi, Donkey Kong, and a speedy Simpsonesque looking hedgehog. I wonder if Sega will try to get them not to show that episode again. :) Michael Kraft (empire@eden.rutgers.edu) Computer Engineering Student Rutgers University, NJ, USA URL = http://remus.rutgers.edu/~empire From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:28:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Image grabbin' (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to mighty@en.com. /* Do not attempt to use the address in the From: header field below. */ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:55:56 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Image grabbin' On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, James Firmiss wrote: > > There's a set of images at Rat's site : > //rat.org/pub/sonic/images/icons/msonic/ > > These look like they're been somehow grabbed from the data in the > Sonic 2 cartridge (or compiled from lots n lots of screen-grabs) > > I was wondering if anyone knew how these were made and if this could > be done with Tails and Knuckles (from Sonic 3 & S&K). > I have a very nice video capture card, and I can make these. Name a game, and I'll get more screen grabs. :) From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:29:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to mighty@en.com. /* Do not attempt to use the address in the From: header field below. */ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:03:18 -0500 (EST) From: Doug LoConti To: sonic@bort.mv.net Cc: sonic@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti On Mon, 18 Dec 1995 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > Dear Doug: > > Every time I try to email you personally, the mail is returned to me-- > somehow, I can't seem to send mail to your server. Therefore, please forgive > me for once again answering you through the mailing list. There's nothing > really personal in my message, however, so all can read... > > Anyway, you asked if it would be possible for Archie to use characters > created by fans in our Sonic comics. Unfortunately, the likelihood of this > is basically non-existant due to the reasons I previously mentioned. First, > SEGA creates most if not all of the characters in our Sonic comics, and > second, they do not want to open themselves (or Archie Comics, for that > matter) to a lawsuit. Let me give you an example of why they (and we) have > this policy: a few years ago, we ran a recipe contest in "Jughead's Diner." > As a prize, the winners had both their recipes printed and their likeness as > an Archie-style character drawn within a story. Each winner and their > guardian had to sign a "permission" form stating we could reprint their > recipe and use their likeness. Well, the father of the grand prize winner > refused to sign and sent us a letter full of "legaleze" claiming we could > potentially gain all sorts of financial profit and publicity from using the > recipe and his daughter's likeness, and that they should get a cut of all > that. Of course, that's a ridiculous notion-- we certainly didn't get rich > printing the kid's letter-- it was just like printing a fan letter. Of > course, the kid just wanted to win and get her name and recipe listed in the > book, in addition to her "appearance" in a comic story, and this move by her > litigous-minded dad greatly upset her! Luckily, cooler heads (in the form of > her mother) prevailed, and we were able to run her recipe. And guess what-- > again, we didn't get rich off of it ! Needless to say, then, rather than > run the risk of something like that, most companies prefer to wipe their > hands clean of using the customer's "ideas." Hope this answers your > question... > > Best regards, and have happy and safe holidays! > > Paul Castiglia > ARCHIE COMICS > OK, sorry about the E-mail thing; I'm fixing that right now. ANYWAYS, I understand your concern, but if we wanted to release our charachters, I'm sure my mom would sign a release. Not to push the subject, but you guys have got a cool thing going, and you have to put yourselves in our shoes and immagine what a thrill it is for us to see our charachters in a comic book.... It's one of those things you brag about.....and we have so many good ideas... you can write me personally, Paul, and tell me what you think...not that you'd get rich off of it, but hey, maybe we've got something good! :) Like I said before, I'm sure my parents would be happy to sign.... as you probably know, I'm not here to get into "sue wars", (this world's too sue happy,) but rather to make the "Sonic environment" a happier one! :) Happy hollidays! -MiGHTY From rotor@PrimeNet.Com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Bookshire Draftwood Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:22:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti (fwd) Status: O X-Status: > OK, sorry about the E-mail thing; I'm fixing that right now. ANYWAYS, I > understand your concern, but if we wanted to release our charachters, I'm > sure my mom would sign a release. Not to push the subject, but you guys > have got a cool thing going, and you have to put yourselves in our shoes > and immagine what a thrill it is for us to see our charachters in a comic > book.... It's one of those things you brag about.....and we have so many > good ideas... you can write me personally, Paul, and tell me what you > think...not that you'd get rich off of it, but hey, maybe we've got > something good! :) Like I said before, I'm sure my parents would be > happy to sign.... as you probably know, I'm not here to get into "sue > wars", (this world's too sue happy,) but rather to make the "Sonic > environment" a happier one! :) Happy hollidays! > And I'll add to that. I'm 19 and therefore, the law says I can make my own choices, so if Archie ever wants to use and characters or ideas, jsut ask me, and I'll be able to give you the final word one way or the other. Again, Happy Hoildays +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:47:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti Status: O X-Status: To all: umm.... in case you guys wanna see some cool sonic AVI clips that I captured, check out: http://www.en.com/users/mighty (and just goto pictures) there's two of them there, and RATMAN, please do download `em and put them on yer site if you want. Remember, I don't care, and I'd send them to you if I knew how, but I'm an idiot so... :) -miGHTY From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 07:46:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Sonic on The Simpsons Status: O X-Status: To Michael: As to whether Sega will "allow" the Simpsons episode to be rerun, the odds are Sega gave them the permission to use Sonic in the first place. That's the way they do things-- in fact, they asked us permission when they wanted the Archie characters to make a cameo, and since The Simpsons is the cultural phenomenom it is, we couldn't say no! Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 07:52:58 -0500 Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti (fwd) Status: O X-Status: To Doug: I'm sure your parents would be "happy to sign," however, there is nothing to sign. I'm sorry to confuse you, but it's just company policy not to use characters created by readers. We can't bend the rules for a few. The way corporate thinking works, the person who says, "yeah, sure-- use my stuff" today is the person who may come back tomorrow with a lawyer demanding their "cut." Please understand, I'm not trying to be a smart-alek, and it's not that the company is "mean," it is just a protective policy that we have to follow-- that is the point. Having said that, I'd like to thank you for the kind words about our comics and your general enthusiasm concerning them. We greatly appreciate it! Best regards, Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:46:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti (fwd) Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Dec 1995 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > To Doug: > > I'm sure your parents would be "happy to sign," however, there is nothing to > sign. I'm sorry to confuse you, but it's just company policy not to use > characters created by readers. We can't bend the rules for a few. The way > corporate thinking works, the person who says, "yeah, sure-- use my stuff" > today is the person who may come back tomorrow with a lawyer demanding their > "cut." Please understand, I'm not trying to be a smart-alek, and it's not > that the company is "mean," it is just a protective policy that we have to > follow-- that is the point. Having said that, I'd like to thank you for the > kind words about our comics and your general enthusiasm concerning them. We > greatly appreciate it! > > Best regards, > Paul Castiglia > ARCHIE COMICS > Hey, just speakin' the truth.... good comics (in general!) speaking of which, are there going to be anymore subsets like that of... umm... Princess Sally or anyhting? That'd be nice to see, I only have one. Well, on a closing note with the above, I understand. Hey, it woulda been nice, but heh! ;) But if the company ever changes its policies, please make sure I know! :) -MiGHTY From rat@granite.mv.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ratman Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:24:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Doug LoConti wrote: > To all: umm.... in case you guys wanna see some cool sonic AVI clips that > I captured, check out: http://www.en.com/users/mighty > (and just goto pictures) > > there's two of them there, and RATMAN, please do download `em and put > them on yer site if you want. Remember, I don't care, and I'd send them > to you if I knew how, but I'm an idiot so... :) I got an error when trying to play it in win95. You should use a more standard video compression. I bet a lot of people will have the same problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:30:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A note to Doug LoConti Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Ratman wrote: > On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Doug LoConti wrote: > > > To all: umm.... in case you guys wanna see some cool sonic AVI clips that > > I captured, check out: http://www.en.com/users/mighty > > (and just goto pictures) > > > > there's two of them there, and RATMAN, please do download `em and put > > them on yer site if you want. Remember, I don't care, and I'd send them > > to you if I knew how, but I'm an idiot so... :) > > I got an error when trying to play it in win95. > You should use a more standard video compression. > I bet a lot of people will have the same problem. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > email: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I will. From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:24:48 +0200 Subject: New S3M.. "After the War." Status: O X-Status: Dr Death did it! Again. Check out his next Sonic song, "After The War." Can't remember the adress fully, same directory under Sonic/music I think. .. Into the wonderfull! *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:24:50 +0200 Subject: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: Hiya all, Another thing stopping me from sleeping again, I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" That's all. *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:24:46 +0200 Subject: (C)(TM)(R) Status: O X-Status: (C)(TM)(R) chapter is going to be a little bit delayed, it seems I underestimated my chances of taking over that stupid little planet, oh, now what's it's name.. you know the green one with all those.. ugh .. bipedals.. the place where they "Serve the nut" or "Surf the nut" or something. :) Serious side, I'm coding till I die, and FT has control of me. Cheers *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From alexmon1@data.net.mx Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:05:31 -0600 Subject: Re: New S3M.. "After the War." Status: O X-Status: >Dr Death did it! > >Again. > >Check out his next Sonic song, "After The War." >Can't remember the adress fully, same directory under >Sonic/music I think. Hey Ablater! Where do I get a player for a .sm3 file? I downloaded the last file and I alredy cant listen to it. >.. Into the wonderfull! > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* > | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | > | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | > |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | > |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | > |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* > > > > > From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:19:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Simon Howes wrote: > Hiya all, > > Another thing stopping me from sleeping again, > I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? > The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on > Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" > > That's all. > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* > | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | > | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | > |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | > |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | > |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* > > > > What are you talking about? :) I have no idea what you just said.... please explain a little better! :) thanx From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:19:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Woo! Weird furry Dreams! Read now! (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to cjb@brushtail.hna.com.au. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:01:14 +1100 From: Chris Baird To: Furbound Cc: sonic@bort.mv.net, ozfurry@brushtail.hna.com.au Subject: Re: Woo! Weird furry Dreams! Read now! [I've also Cc'd this into a couple of mailing lists..] In alt.fan.furry: > Anyway, the point of this is to say what kinds of wonderful furry > dreams I've had.. (Only one. =) And I was wondering if anyone > had any dreams they'd like to share? Do cartoon furries count? :) I had a dream the other night/morning that was set in the "Sonic the Hedgehog" universe (the GOOD one, not the suckworthy syndicated TV version). I appeared as a character of mine Ashley Rose, a 20 yo Weasel that discovered the Freedom Fighters at Knothole while trekking across Mobius looking for a new place to live. (Much of his story's background comes from a few previous dreams. :) Unfortunately his girlfriend Lisa (a stoat) doesn't appear.. :( Anyway, as the dream starts, I/Ash and the over Freedom Fighters are involved in some battle with Robotnik in Hyperspace ("The Cosmic Intestate") when a blast from a SWATBot knocks me off a transport and sends me falling into oblivion for countless hours (compressed into a few seconds during the dream :) ... After regaining consciousness, (I'd falled asleep during the fall) I find myself lying in the dust not far from "Knothole", but I notice that the season appears to have changed, and I've arrived during a really bad Australian summer. (A lot of the trees are almost leafless, and there's Dust, dust, and more dust..) Arriving in the Knothole area, I find that a small poor peasant village now resides there, and the name of the place as changed too (although I can't remember it now). I find `Rotor' delivering a small wicker basket of wheat. He doesn't know who I am, but I follow along asking questions and discover that on this planet they've had a very severe drought for the past ten years, and the Acorn family haven't sat on the Royal Throne of Mobius for centuries (and thus Robotnik never eventuated). Rotor arrives where he wants to deliver the wheat. The King of the other Mobius (Sally's Father, and a Fox) is under a shade down the side of the house repairing a fishing net (I then notice the rank smell of dead fish guts.. :P) I wait outside the doorway while Rotor takes the baskets inside. Sally then comes around from the side of the hut--- this Sally is a bit smaller than I remember, looks a fair bit leaner, and her fur isn't as well-kept and has a wiry look to it. It's just then that the higher-order parts of my brain realise what I've dreamt and spoils everything by getting over-excited and waking me up. :) (Furbound-- I'll be sending over another dream story after I finished sending this one to the lists..) -- Chris,, From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:29:57 MST Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: >On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Simon Howes wrote: > >> Hiya all, >> >> Another thing stopping me from sleeping again, >> I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? >> The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on >> Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" >What are you talking about? :) I have no idea what you just said.... >please explain a little better! :) thanx A furry, if you don't know, is an animal who has taken on human characteristics. What I think Simon is trying to ask is, do you think it is possible to find a cow furry with Sonic, or would that sound too much like those Far Side comics? -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:21:39 -0500 Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: >I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? >The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on >Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" I must say, you have a very interesting mind Ablater. I'll be getting to work on your body temps question as soon as my mid-terms are over. As to this question, I suppose the answer is, "Do you want there to be any?" Write a story and include 'em. The Sonic Universe has room for expansion. I suppose Robotnik would need a pretty big roboticizer to fit ol' Bossy inside, but who knows? Could get interesting..... From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:34:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Woo! Weird furry Dreams! Read now! (fwd) Status: O X-Status: [Account of dream of an impoverished Mobius deleted] Very impressive! You've managed (however unconsciously) to conjure up a dystopian Mobius where Robotnik isn't to blame. While it DOES sort of remind me of a couple Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes run together (including "All Good Things...."), the set-up is original. You might want to go back to sleep and see where it leads you ;-) . ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:40:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: > > Hiya all, > > Another thing stopping me from sleeping again, > I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? > The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on > Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" > > That's all. > No, this doesn't sound like a stupid question. If anything, it sounds like one of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons! In fact, wasn't there a Rescue Rangers cartoon involving alien cows from the planet Larson on the far side of the universe? But I'm getting off topic.... Come to think of it, who's to say that Sonic hasn't been scarfing all-beef chili dogs the whole time? Or is that prospect too "disgustipatin'", to quote Popeye? ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From BAUERLE@engr.erie.ge.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Ron Bauerle Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 9:15:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: This is a stupid question Status: O X-Status: >From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:40:21 -0500 (EST) >> I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? >> The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on >> Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" >No, this doesn't sound like a stupid question. If anything, it sounds >like one of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons! In fact, wasn't there a >Rescue Rangers cartoon involving alien cows from the planet Larson on >the far side of the universe? But I'm getting off topic.... Actually, that was a Darkwing Duck episode (Twin Beaks, I think)... >Come to think of it, who's to say that Sonic hasn't been scarfing >all-beef chili dogs the whole time? Or is that prospect too >"disgustipatin'", to quote Popeye? My take on this is that in general, animals used as food (e.g., cows,) or transportation (e.g., horses), are _not_ sentient. Some shows that both confirm _and_ show exceptions to this: Donald Duck et al are often seen eating turkey. Tiny Toons had the characters eating hamburgers, but Hamton J. Pig was also a character. The C.O.W.boys of Moo Mesa had sentient bovines riding horses (which I thought was a bit of a non sequitur - how come that meteor anthropomorphicized the one and not the other?) What bothered me even more about that show was that some of the female cows didn't look that bad... Ob. Sonic: I would assume that Sonic's chili dogs are all-beef, since in one episode (the Journey to the Center of Mobius one) he was served a bunch by a pig... However, I was still a bit bothered by that chili-dog vending machine - it's kind of a dumb idea to begin with, and it shouldn't still be operating; are chili dogs some kind of relic from the games, ala Power Rings? RDB From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:49:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: I dunno if a cow would be too whacked, but hey, it's OUR immaginations that make this stuff real, so I guess you could have anything, (even an antrhopmorphisized cow.) -MiGHTY From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 09:29:54 MST Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: >No, this doesn't sound like a stupid question. If anything, it sounds >like one of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons! In fact, wasn't there a >Rescue Rangers cartoon involving alien cows from the planet Larson on >the far side of the universe? But I'm getting off topic.... Uh, I believe you're referring to Darkwing Duck, but your ppoint is well taken. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com (MR THADDEUS R BOYD) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:55:43 EST Subject: Sonic #31 Status: O X-Status: I apparently got my subscription copy last week, but I didn't check the mail and so it ended up in my grandmother's pile of mail somehow and she was out of town, and then yesterday, I had my eyes dilated and so I had it but couldn't read it. Finally, this morning I finished, and here's what I thought: [SPOILER ALERT!] The first story ("A Robot Rides the Rails") was great, but the poor art kinda ruined it for me. The kiss scenes in this one just didn't show the feeling that the one in Sally #3 did. The second story (Lost...and Found! part 1) was okay, but it was real disappointing to find the story I'd been awaiting to be only a couple pages long...as for the ending, ooh, we finally get to see Archimedes' silhouette...looks kinda like Crocbot to me, only slimmer. More on the Knuckles mini-series; it's been delayed 'til April so Spaz and Harvo can draw it. Hey, that's ANOTHER thing that's been delayed 'til April so they can perfect it (the other being a machine that I won't speak of since it's competing with the cause of this mailing list). Third story. Tundra Road, Part 1. It was good to see Rotor in a solo story; he deserves it. The art was better; the story wasn't bad; and the "Waterworld" joke got a slight grin out of me. As for the end, well, we all know Rote survived; the REAL cliffhanger is, "Was his means of survival as contrived and tasteless as Tails' in Issue 29?" >< Any smoothly functioning technology will have the appearance of Magic. - Arthur C. Clarke From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:18:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Interrogations (fwd) Status: O X-Status: This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Patri Perrotti To: sonic Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti Subject: Interrogations Here's something I've been wondering about for a while now. On several occasions in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon, we've seen Robotnik interrogate captured freedom fighters prior to roboticizing them. Now, given that he has complete control over roboticized beings, wouldn't it be easier for him to just roboticize them first, and then order them to tell him what he wants to know? I mean, how could they refuse him? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) perrottit.mbr@asme.org Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester Polytechnic Institute ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:39:46 +0200 Subject: Re: New S3M.. "After the War." Status: O X-Status: >Hey Ablater! Where do I get a player for a .sm3 file? >I downloaded the last file and I alredy cant listen to it. Whoa.. that's S3M.. it's stands for ScreamTracker Three Module, the S3M was invented in 1992 when the Future Crew released their great tracker program called.. take a guess -- Scream Tracker Three. Anyways.. you can get a player on the Miles (Tails) Page, under the tool box. Cheers, and enjoy those files.. more coming.. Breath deeply, you bring the entropy heat death of the universe closer that way. *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:39:48 +0200 Subject: Re: Woo! Weird furry Dreams! Read now! (fwd) Status: O X-Status: Yups, not unknown of here. I have had multiple of these dreams, usually they are at their highest when I am on a coding spree. Caffeine is a very powerfull drug, one you should not underestimate the power off. I've had the port'al in the closet dream a hellofalotatimes. As well as one very strange dream where I was Sonic running over this hill, outrunning these metoir rock efforts. Furry Nightmares in my opinion are the worst, once I had a dream I was furrocized and sold at a pet store... the rest was so .. ahum.. embarassing that Ryan Huber was cracking himself for about half an hour. Personally I prefer to meditate to get desired dreams, though furtoonia is more addictive. (But mediation had pictures :P) "After this all... after the war.. " *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:39:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Sonic on The Simpsons Status: O X-Status: Sonic on the simpsons, Probably the worst I saw in the case of lameness was Jazz, I'm sorry to have to say this, but Jazz is such a load of shit... Why can't people come up with original ideas? Also, Jazz rips of Sonic pretty heavily at the end of one of it's bonus episodes, (Zoonic - A half hedgehog, half fox .. thing.) But on idea snatching, some of you might notice Sonic stops with a skidding sound, originally done with Nintendo's Mario Brothers Three, in Mario, you get a leaf and then a tail, and flap-flap, in Sonic, we have Tails, while in Jazz an annoying parrot... Well, I guess all games, good or bad are just another version of that good old game where you had two bats, and that rather square ball... :) "Someone want to write a story about missionaries going to Mobius to try converting Sal and Sonic not to believe in Gods?" ;) *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:39:37 +0200 Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: >No, this doesn't sound like a stupid question. If anything, it sounds >like one of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons! In fact, wasn't there a >Rescue Rangers cartoon involving alien cows from the planet Larson on >the far side of the universe? But I'm getting off topic.... > >Come to think of it, who's to say that Sonic hasn't been scarfing >all-beef chili dogs the whole time? Or is that prospect too >"disgustipatin'", to quote Popeye? That's one thing you don't see in the comics, or toons. I betcha the producers had you all believing that Sonic, Sally, Tails, Rotor and Bunnie are herbivores, and so peacefull they "live in peace with the world bla bla.. can't kill etc.." The answer to this is.. It's a lie! It's all a pack of lies! Lies I tell you hahahaah! They are all bipedal sentients, and even if they weren't Tails, and Rotor would still need meat. Foxes ya know are all carnivourous. Besides those chili dogs have to have some meat in them, yeah, yeah I know these cheap hamburger places get away with putting more soya bean in the patti's than meat.. but there still is meat! Now think of the sweet characters you love, imagine say.. Sally for example.. getting a chicken and the big axey.. ARGHH! Coder Quality Nightmares of me being a chicken, and my reflection in her phongy nose, and refractive eyes, as she lives the blade. NOOOOOOOO! Maybe this would be a cool idea for my story? Robotnik plans a new method of destroying the freedom fighters by evoluting all non-sentient animals. The animals then go full out PC, and sue dear Sonic. Crap cakes, this is beginning to sound like that godsdamned syndicated series. "Unable to download coffie, Caco-Demon in Mug outlet port." *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From Benny7dude@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Benny7dude@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:51:22 -0500 Subject: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Status: O X-Status: To all Sonic fans: In recent days, the Archie offices have received numerous phone calls from Sonic fans. The calls were mainly to editor Scott Fulop and artist Patrick Spaziante. We would like to ask everyone to please refrain from all such calls immediately. By tying up our employees on the phone, you are keeping them from producing the comic book adventures of your favorite blue hedgehog and pals in a timely fashion. Likewise, you are endangering their jobs as the bosses do not like to see the employees tied up on the phone lines. It is crucial that they not be disturbed. The best way to tell Scott or Pat what is on your mind is by sending them letters to the Sonic Grams address. While there is no guarantee they will be able to respond to all the letters on the letters page, and certainly no time to personally respond, each letter is read and your comments duly noted. Also, please note that Archie Comics policy is such that we do NOT accept "ideas" from fans. If you are over 18 and have some education behind you, the editor will look at synopses for Sonic stories featuring characters already appearing in our comics, however there are no guarantees. Please see an earlier post for submissions guidelines. Please understand that time is of the essence in comic book publishing, and any delays could ultimately result in the delays-- or even cancellation-- of your favorite comic book titles. Thank you. Paul Castiglia ARCHIE COMICS From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 18:29:41 MST Subject: Re: Interrogations (fwd) Status: O X-Status: >Here's something I've been wondering about for a while now. On several >occasions in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon, we've seen Robotnik >interrogate captured freedom fighters prior to roboticizing them. Now, >given that he has complete control over roboticized beings, wouldn't it >be easier for him to just roboticize them first, and then order them to >tell him what he wants to know? I mean, how could they refuse him? If you remember seeing, "Spyhog", first of all, Robotnik and company enjoy interrogations. Snively with the escargo, enough said. If they roboticized them and plugged them in, it would take the fun out of interrogations. Unless, of course, they wanted the information bad enough. When Sir Charles got caught, first they asked him about Knothole and then they plugged him in. Fortunately Sonic unplugged Charles before he told the location of Knothole. But if he didn't unplug him in time, Charles would have talked. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From firmiss@cae.wisc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: James Firmiss Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:44:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Interrogations (fwd) Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) forwarded this message: > From: Theodore Patri Perrotti > > Here's something I've been wondering about for a while now. On several > occasions in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon, we've seen Robotnik > interrogate captured freedom fighters prior to roboticizing them. Now, > given that he has complete control over roboticized beings, wouldn't it > be easier for him to just roboticize them first, and then order them to > tell him what he wants to know? I mean, how could they refuse him? This is a good question... I think I might have a reasonable explanation even though it requires me to sound like one of those scary people you sometimes meet at Trek conventions... Okay... lets diagram how a 'normal' organic brain might be set up... (I just made this up about 15 minutes ago) .--------. | Memory |<---. `--------' | 2-way -> /\ \/ | .----------. | .----------------. | Will | | | Sensory | | Emotion |<--+--| Input | | Desire | | | (eyes, ears..) | `----------' | `----------------' \/ | .---------. | | Motor |<--' | Control | `---------' [ Like this ASCII diagram? I drew it on the fly... nifty ey? ] Anyway... I know this is woefully incomplete... Also.. when I first drew this up I had a section called 'Reasoning' but now that I think about it it might be better to say that 'reasoning' occurs in all of these sections. So what does this have to do with anything?? Here's what I deduce happens to someone's mind during robitization... .--------. | Memory |<---. `--------' | 2-way -> /\ \/ | .----------. | .----------------. | Will | | | Sensory | | Emotion |<--+--| Input | | Desire | | | (eyes, ears..) | `----------' | `----------------' LINK CUT! --> | \/ .---------. | +------------------+ | Motor |<--' | Computer Control | | Control |<-----| System | `---------' +------------------+ This newly added "computer control system" now takes over the motor controls... It can run programs and make the robotiziced person obey commands. Also... the person can still see and feel what's going on but can't do anything about it (as Uncle Chuck had said). This setup also means that a robotiziced person's computer control system probably contains its own memory and is unable to access the memory of the person hence interrogating a robotiziced person will get you nothing about his/her life before being robotiziced. (I could've probably explaned all this without the geeky diagrams but I like geeky diagrams :-) In Uncle Chuck's case, my guess is that the "Will to Motor" link was restored by the power ring. Also... remember in the episode 'Spyhog' Robotnik DID use some sort of contraption to try to extract information out of Uncle Chuck... I'm guessing this 'memory extractor' contraption was either brand new (otherwise why wouldn't he have used it before on any of the roboticized freedom fighters... like 'Cat') OR It could be a special machine that would only work on someone who's "Will to Motor" link has been restored (Like Chuck's). --- Anyway.. that's all I have to say about this subject (which was probably too much). --- James Firmiss firmiss@cae.wisc.edu From firmiss@cae.wisc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: James Firmiss Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:59:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Woo! Weird furry Dreams! Read now! (fwd) Status: O X-Status: I'm suprised at how 'few' furry dreams I tend to have however one weird one involved me as everyone's favorite hedgehog... SONIC I don't remember much of it however I remember that instead of being able to run fast, I was able to fly short distances (like Tails). [on an even more unusual note... in most of my 'flying' dreams I end up flying upside down (probably because I sleep on my back)... in this one as Sonic I flew right side up] On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Simon Howes wrote: > Furry Nightmares in my opinion are the worst, once I had a dream I was > furrocized and sold at a pet store... the rest was so .. ahum.. embarassing > that Ryan Huber was cracking himself for about half an hour. Hrm... maybe we should bug Ryan Huber about this :-) --- James Firmiss firmiss@cae.wisc.edu From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:45:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Interrogations (fwd) Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2 wrote: > This is a forwarded message. If you would like to reply to its author > directly, please be sure your reply is addressed to tedp@WPI.EDU. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:58:42 -0500 (EST) > From: Theodore Patri Perrotti > To: sonic > Cc: Theodore Patri Perrotti > Subject: Interrogations > > Here's something I've been wondering about for a while now. On several > occasions in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon, we've seen Robotnik > interrogate captured freedom fighters prior to roboticizing them. Now, > given that he has complete control over roboticized beings, wouldn't it > be easier for him to just roboticize them first, and then order them to > tell him what he wants to know? I mean, how could they refuse him? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "It's juice time!"-Sonic the Hedgehog > > Theodore P. Perrotti tedp@wpi.edu (all mail forwarded to here) > perrottit.mbr@asme.org > > Lifetime brother of Alpha Phi Omega, Omicron Iota chapter, Worcester > Polytechnic Institute > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good point! But... would robots be able to tell them what they "know?", I mean, I thought they lost their...um... memories. So, they're kind of like "charmed" people, so that may or may not work. -MiGHTY From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:50:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Simon Howes wrote: > >No, this doesn't sound like a stupid question. If anything, it sounds > >like one of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons! In fact, wasn't there a > >Rescue Rangers cartoon involving alien cows from the planet Larson on > >the far side of the universe? But I'm getting off topic.... > > > >Come to think of it, who's to say that Sonic hasn't been scarfing > >all-beef chili dogs the whole time? Or is that prospect too > >"disgustipatin'", to quote Popeye? > > That's one thing you don't see in the comics, or toons. I betcha the > producers had you all believing that Sonic, Sally, Tails, Rotor and Bunnie > are herbivores, and so peacefull they "live in peace with the world bla > bla.. can't kill etc.." > > The answer to this is.. It's a lie! It's all a pack of lies! Lies I tell you > hahahaah! They are all bipedal sentients, and even if they weren't Tails, > and Rotor would still need meat. Foxes ya know are all carnivourous. > Besides those chili dogs have to have some meat in them, yeah, yeah I know > these cheap hamburger places get away with putting more soya bean in the > patti's than meat.. but there still is meat! > > Now think of the sweet characters you love, imagine say.. Sally for > example.. getting a chicken and the big axey.. > > ARGHH! Coder Quality Nightmares of me being a chicken, and my reflection in > her phongy nose, and refractive eyes, as she lives the blade. NOOOOOOOO! > > Maybe this would be a cool idea for my story? Robotnik plans a new method of > destroying the freedom fighters by evoluting all non-sentient animals. The > animals then go full out PC, and sue dear Sonic. Crap cakes, this is > beginning to sound like that godsdamned syndicated series. > > > "Unable to download coffie, Caco-Demon in Mug outlet port." > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* > | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | > | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | > |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | > |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | > |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| > *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* Hear THIS out for all it's worth!!-----> In Doomsday, eppisode 1, that pig gave young (and old) Sonic a Chili dog...now, pardon me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that make the pig...a...CANNIBAL?? You should see the look on his face when he gives it to Sonic....HA! I was laughing for at least 10 minutes.... ;) -MiGHTY From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:30:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995 Benny7dude@aol.com wrote: > To all Sonic fans: > > In recent days, the Archie offices have received numerous phone calls from > Sonic fans. The calls were mainly to editor Scott Fulop and artist Patrick > Spaziante. That would be my friend and I. We are interested in learning about upcomming events, etc. You make it sound like we are evil! Sheesh, I made ONE single call, and it was for no more than 5 minutes. > We would like to ask everyone to please refrain from all such > calls immediately. By tying up our employees on the phone, you are keeping > them from producing the comic book adventures of your favorite blue hedgehog > and pals in a timely fashion. Likewise, you are endangering their jobs as > the bosses do not like to see the employees tied up on the phone lines. Come on, endangering their jobs? I don't mean to sound rude, honestly, but I'm sure you're really going to "fire" someone because they take time to talk to someone that admires them. These are the "company pollicies" that ruin such good businesses as Archie Comics. I can understand if there was an overwhelming amount of calls, but a few calls didn't seem to hurt. Besides, I think it is the artist's/editor's job to inform a fan if we are being annoying and/or if they are busy. But taking the time to talk for five minutes or so a day greatly improves company relations with the "little people" that buy your comics. In fact, before I read this letter, I was ready to type up a full letter explaining my happiness that I even got the "privlidge" of talking to Spaz. But now, it looks as if I have done a bad thing, and my fantasy ruined. > It > is crucial that they not be disturbed. The best way to tell Scott or Pat > what is on your mind is by sending them letters to the Sonic Grams address. It is my understanding that they never see but a handful of the vast amount of Sonic Gram letters you recieve a day. In fact, this is probably (as I understand it) the WORST way to contact these individuals. > While there is no guarantee they will be able to respond to all the letters > on the letters page, and certainly no time to personally respond, each letter > is read and your comments duly noted. Also, please note that Archie Comics > policy is such that we do NOT accept "ideas" from fans. If you are over 18 > and have some education behind you, the editor will look at synopses for > Sonic stories featuring characters already appearing in our comics, however > there are no guarantees. Unfortunately, that is the case. I understand WHY you don't take ideas from us "young fools", because (supposedly) all we are are money grabbers. That, as I have already explained, is not the case, but since this is a no-win battle, I won't go into that. > Please see an earlier post for submissions > guidelines. Please understand that time is of the essence in comic book > publishing, and any delays could ultimately result in the delays-- or even > cancellation-- of your favorite comic book titles. > > Thank you. > Paul Castiglia > ARCHIE COMICS > Now now, Mr. Castigila, just because I am young does not mean I am an idiot. I understand that you may be under a tight deadline, but you have blown this thing up from the start. And let me explain to you why: myself and Michael Rheyes were the ONLY two people to make such calls, therefore, explaining (above) that there were MANY calls is a farce. IN TOTAL, we COMBINED made 4 calls. And, perhaps, in total, we may have spent a half hour on the phone with your people. Now, let me go off for a while about this: FIRST OFF, you are not going to cancel Sonic the Hedgehog because TWO nerdy kids call Archie's office. That's a scare and a load of crap. That is what you tell little children so they don't do something again, which is how you're treating us-like little children. SECONDLY- Please keep in mind that WE are the ones putting the pay checks in your pockets. WE are the ones that spend our hard-earned allowences on your comics, and if you got a Christmas bonus this year, it is because of us. And, if per say, there was a boycot, and Archie went out of business, I'm sure that your "people" would take a little more time out to talk with their fans. HOWEVER, I do not personally beleive that this is the doing of Spaz or anyone else-I beleive this is the doing of a rich executive blowing smoke propoganda in our faces, telling us how busy they are and trying to establish public relations, while truly only caring about how much money they rack per issue. It's the money game all over again, and "Sonic Grams" is, unfortunately, also public relations/propaganda. This is not coming from an ignorant, ill-informed person, this IS however, coming from someone who's father is in the same business. My father promotes and plays acts, and his entire paycheck depends on how much propoganda he spits fourth. Now, the difference is, he will NEVER get too caught up in his business where he cannot take the time out for friends or families or both. And he is not "too good" to take the time to buy a complete stanger a lunch, (such as a homeless person, etc.) To get back on the subject, (I have a bad habbit of jumping around, sorry..) ANYWAYS, I would not be surprised if you put something about our "evil phone calls" in the next issue's Sonic Grams. The ONE thing you guys have over us is the press, and I, of course, (along my friend,) will be made out the bad guy. Here, I'll tell you what: take a step back and look at what we've been doing. Nothing wrong, really. Just talking to a few of your employees, and you've been hiding them as if they were slaves. Paul, I do not know who is responsible for you writing this letter: you may simply be a puppet of someone else's orders. If so, I am very sorry, none of this was aimed at you. But if not..... I'm not trying to start a war, but EVERYBODY (including you, Paul) should open theirs eyes. And Paul, you go on and on about "company pollicies"; if something's bad, isn't it usually supposed to be changed for the better? Forget about pollicies, this is real life. Why can't we all be friends? Just because you guys are rich, older, and have more political power (PLUS the press,) doesn't mean that you can't interact with us wee folk. After all, "alone, we are nothing....together, we are everything.." Consider what I have said, and PLEASE reply with some sense. -MiGHTY From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:47:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critique Status: O X-Status: > > > "Someone want to write a story about missionaries going to Mobius to try > converting Sal and Sonic not to believe in Gods?" ;) > > OK, I've let some topics slide, but THIS is one I can't afford to skip. I've recently reread the fanfic that alludes to Christmas on Mobius. Allegedly. It got me to thinking. When looked at seriously, none of the stories -- David Pistone's "Merry Christmas" and Ryan Huber's "Silent Night" -- have anything substantive to say about Christmas. At least the Christmas that's bound up with the Incarnation of Jesus Christ. Then again, neither did Dickens' "Christmas Carol." As C. S. Lewis put it: "Mary, the magi and the angels are replaced by spirits of [Dickens'] own invention, and the animals present are not the ox and the ass in the stable, but the goose and the turkey in the poulterer's shop." Lest you start thinking grinch-like thoughts about me, I'd better come clean: I'm a Christian, specifically a Seventh-day Adventist. I converted back in 1968, just before I turned 17 -- I assume that makes me the "old man" of the list. I don't share the conservatism of the evangelical crowd, but since my B.A. degree was in theology, I have more than a passing interest in such matters. So anyway. It's just as well that neither David nor Ryan got into the Christmas angle with anything like depth. Whatever else Christmas on Mobius might be, it wouldn't necessarily resemble the Earthly variety. Then again, I think I'd have to know a lot more about Mobian cosmology. Unfortunately, the creative powers that be at Archie seem to be relying on the process called "making it up as we go." I've tried discerning a coherent mythology/theology involving the Chaos Emeralds, with no real luck. And the Ancient Walkers feel more like Ancient Walk-Ons -- they're nothing more than mask-wearing plot devices used to keep the story moving when things get sticky. My point? I can see winter stories, such as "Heart of Snow" and "Cold Shoulder" by Joseph DeLaCroix, but trying to import Christmas to Mobius is a bit of a stretch. If only because the holiday wouldn't be Mobian enough, if you know what I mean. BTW: on the subject of missionaries, they'd first have to get past any prejudice that rational thought is what separates humans from animals. Without that, they'd consider Mobian furries to be simply zoo bait. I know I'll get flamed for some of my above comments, but don't let them spoil your Christmas. ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:08:38 -0500 Subject: A Query about ASCII. Status: O X-Status: I know there's Sonic ASCII art, but I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to make Knuckles ASCII art? A head shot would be perfect. (It's kinda important.) Thanks, Joe. -- -- Joseph deLaCroix -- Professional Idiot Exterminator -- Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an account for an account "Act like a dumbshit, and they'll treat you as an equal." -- "Bob" Dobbs From hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: hk512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Delacroix) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:05:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critique Status: O X-Status: They call him drazen@andrews.edu, drazen@andrews.edu, drazen@andrews.edu, faster than liiiiiiiiightning: [nuke] >OK, I've let some topics slide, but THIS is one I can't afford to skip. > >I've recently reread the fanfic that alludes to Christmas on Mobius. >Allegedly. It got me to thinking. > >When looked at seriously, none of the stories -- David Pistone's "Merry >Christmas" and Ryan Huber's "Silent Night" -- have anything substantive >to say about Christmas. At least the Christmas that's bound up with the >Incarnation of Jesus Christ. Then again, neither did Dickens' >"Christmas Carol." As C. S. Lewis put it: "Mary, the magi and the >angels are replaced by spirits of [Dickens'] own invention, and the >animals present are not the ox and the ass in the stable, but the goose >and the turkey in the poulterer's shop." True. But, of course, they (like myself) try to avoid the potential of overriding any future dogma by attaching religion to fanfic characters. Then there's the choice of what do you make who? Are they all psudo-Christians? Jewish? If they aren't, who is what, and why? And, of course, there's the danger of certain individuals in suits whose names I shall not mention disliking the way it was done, and suing. >Lest you start thinking grinch-like thoughts about me, I'd better come >clean: I'm a Christian, specifically a Seventh-day Adventist. I >converted back in 1968, just before I turned 17 -- I assume that makes >me the "old man" of the list. I don't share the conservatism of the >evangelical crowd, but since my B.A. degree was in theology, I have more >than a passing interest in such matters. Quite understandable. =) >So anyway. It's just as well that neither David nor Ryan got into the >Christmas angle with anything like depth. Whatever else Christmas on >Mobius might be, it wouldn't necessarily resemble the Earthly variety. Well....there might be some things that -could- be universal. Gift-giving, perhaps, or putting up some sort of plant and decorating it. But the religion behind it, however, would probably be different. >Then again, I think I'd have to know a lot more about Mobian cosmology. >Unfortunately, the creative powers that be at Archie seem to be relying >on the process called "making it up as we go." I've tried discerning a >coherent mythology/theology involving the Chaos Emeralds, with no real >luck. And the Ancient Walkers feel more like Ancient Walk-Ons -- >they're nothing more than mask-wearing plot devices used to keep the >story moving when things get sticky. A friend and I are working on that exact problem. We're basically working on a history of Knuckles' people and the Chaos Emeralds. It should be pretty coherent, once we're done. >My point? I can see winter stories, such as "Heart of Snow" and "Cold >Shoulder" by Joseph DeLaCroix, but trying to import Christmas to Mobius >is a bit of a stretch. If only because the holiday wouldn't be Mobian >enough, if you know what I mean. Well, I have my own theory on Mobian religion. (Don't hurt me.) Basically, before the war and probably now, most Mobians (with the exception of a man with a large nose and a rotund redhead) lived in a certain level of peace with nature. (Mobitropolis was a garden city, most of the world was unspoiled wilderness, etc.) It was a very `green' place, as it would, and since the inhabitants are anthropromorphic... Well, perhaps most (if not all) Mobians would be Wiccan-ish. For those who don't know what I just said, Wiccan is a type of religion that is best summed up by stating it is Gaia-oriented. (They worship the Earth and such.) It'd fit like a glove on Mobian society; after all, they are against Robotnik, a polluting tyrant, and want to return to the old ways, which were ecologically sound. (Now, before you people at Sega sneak into my house and beat me with legal pads, this is just my -opinion-. I am not stating that your licenced, copyrighted characters ARE, I'm just saying they MIGHT be. So go kick a few puppies, eh?) >BTW: on the subject of missionaries, they'd first have to get past any >prejudice that rational thought is what separates humans from animals. >Without that, they'd consider Mobian furries to be simply zoo bait. Well, I think seeing Robtropolis from orbit would probably scare most aliens off, anyway. =P =) >I know I'll get flamed for some of my above comments, but don't let them >spoil your Christmas. Nah. You didn't say anything particularly inflammatory. *I* probably did, but I'm just going to hide behind Sandra for a while... ;) Joe. -- -- Joseph deLaCroix -- Professional Idiot Exterminator -- Information wants to be sold for exorbitant fees, then totally devalued An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, an account for an account "Act like a dumbshit, and they'll treat you as an equal." -- "Bob" Dobbs From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:28:55 +0200 Subject: Re: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critique Status: O X-Status: >> "Someone want to write a story about missionaries going to Mobius to try >> converting Sal and Sonic not to believe in Gods?" ;) > >OK, I've let some topics slide, but THIS is one I can't afford to skip. > Some chatter>> HERE >I know I'll get flamed for some of my above comments, but don't let them >spoil your Christmas. Hehe, if I wasn't religious myself I'd be tempted to write a story with the ending lines being Sonic saying, "Well at least buttnik did something good." But then again I would probably go to hell if I did, or haydes/ have my soul be eternally destroyed and/or be reincarnated as a furry and sold in a pet store. {I don't think the parody&satire copyright act applies in judgement Zone.} :) Cheers *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 95 13:43:59 MST Subject: Re: A Query about ASCII. Status: O X-Status: > >I know there's Sonic ASCII art, but I was wondering if anyone had ever >tried to make Knuckles ASCII art? A head shot would be perfect. (It's >kinda important.) There are some programs that convert Gifs and Bitmaps into ASCII art. I don't know the exact location, but there is one at Acs.Oakland (address: http://www.oak.oakland/oak.html. Look in the MS-Dos section under converters, I think, and you just might find one. One hint about making ASCII art - you need to start with a B&W outline. Then you need to make it so the lines are white and the rest is black. Convert the picture to whatever format the ASCII converter calls for (Gif or BMP) and then run the program. The proper syntax should be: ASCIImkr picture.gif/bmp I have an ASCII Tails, but there isn't enough room in my sig for it. Oh well. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:33:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A Query about ASCII. Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, John W. Johnston wrote: > There are some programs that convert Gifs and Bitmaps into ASCII art. I > don't know the exact location, but there is one at Acs.Oakland (address: > http://www.oak.oakland/oak.html. Look in the MS-Dos section under > converters, I think, and you just might find one. If you use a PC, check out http://rat.org/pub/msdos/ and you'll find 2 (count 'em!) GIF to ASCII converters. I got them both from Delphi, and neither had a doc file. Some trial and error will be required. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:13 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 95 14:41:50 MST Subject: Tails #3 [Major Spoiler Enclosed] Status: O X-Status: I just got a copy of Tails #3 at Waldenbooks, and it was awesome. But there is a very important item in the story. If you like spoilers, read on. If you don't read any further until you get your own issue. To read the spoiler, look below. The SEA FOX LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEESSS!!! The Fourty Fathoms Freedom Fighters fixed her up, and she sails again. I know alot of you knows she's a good ship, and you're probably as supprised as I am to discover her return. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:53:27 EST Subject: Re: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critiqu Status: O X-Status: Hmmm...let me have a stab at it... >So anyway. It's just as well that neither David nor Ryan got into the >Christmas angle with anything like depth. Whatever else Christmas on >Mobius might be, it wouldn't necessarily resemble the Earthly variety. > >Then again, I think I'd have to know a lot more about Mobian cosmology. >Unfortunately, the creative powers that be at Archie seem to be relying >on the process called "making it up as we go." I've tried discerning a >coherent mythology/theology involving the Chaos Emeralds, with no real >luck. And the Ancient Walkers feel more like Ancient Walk-Ons -- >they're nothing more than mask-wearing plot devices used to keep the >story moving when things get sticky. I was thinking about having a storyline regarding the creation of Mobius (also involving the various Gems...that was where I first came up with the idea that the Chaos Emeralds weren't the only Gems Mobius relies on...), but I thought of other storylines and I've worked on them first...I'll probably never finish, partially because the key characters in that story are clubmems who went bye-bye... >My point? I can see winter stories, such as "Heart of Snow" and "Cold >Shoulder" by Joseph DeLaCroix, but trying to import Christmas to Mobius >is a bit of a stretch. If only because the holiday wouldn't be Mobian >enough, if you know what I mean. Yeah...in my Christmas story, which I wrote a year ago, I had the holiday "Mobianized" when it was brought in by some of the FF's who had originally come from Earth. They kept the "Peace on Earth, good will toward men" idea without having the "birth of Christ" part in there (since the former applies to all planets and the latter would perhaps seem less important in a world other than the one Christ inhabited). >< Oh, and for the record, Dickens DID mention Christ a couple times in A Christmas Carol. From uug@sago.cuc.ab.ca Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: uug@sago.cuc.ab.ca (William Graham) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 03:10:46 MST Subject: Re: robotocized cows, and other wild dreams... Status: O X-Status: "Ablater" asks: > Another thing stopping me from sleeping again, > I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? > The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on > Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" Seems to me that in one of the syndicated Sonic episodes ("Mama Robotnik Returns"), the milk-delivery hover-truck driver is a cow. So sure, why not have sentient Mobian bovines? On the other hand, Muttski didn't seem to be all that sentient when he appeared in the Sonic comic mini-series. (I wonder if his robotocization changed that? I guess we'll find out in issue #32.) So not all terrestrial species have sentient counterparts on Mobius. As for getting ones characters in the comics, isn't that what the Sonic-grams and Sonic Art pages are for? Even a single panel can tell a whole story. Mind you, the chances of having ones art or letter chosen for publication must be rather slim with all the fan mail Sonic must get! - William Graham - a net.freedom-fighter for a free Mobius! - From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:23:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: robotocized cows, and other wild dreams... Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, William Graham wrote: > > "Ablater" asks: > > > Another thing stopping me from sleeping again, > > I was wondering, are all species on Earth, effectively sentient on Mobius? > > The real thing that was bugging me was, "Are their sentient Bovines on > > Mobius?" IE -- "Might a robotocized cow walk by?" > > Seems to me that in one of the syndicated Sonic episodes ("Mama Robotnik > Returns"), the milk-delivery hover-truck driver is a cow. So sure, why > not have sentient Mobian bovines? > > On the other hand, Muttski didn't seem to be all that sentient when he > appeared in the Sonic comic mini-series. (I wonder if his robotocization > changed that? I guess we'll find out in issue #32.) So not all terrestrial > species have sentient counterparts on Mobius. > > As for getting ones characters in the comics, isn't that what the > Sonic-grams and Sonic Art pages are for? Even a single panel can > tell a whole story. Mind you, the chances of having ones art or > letter chosen for publication must be rather slim with all the fan > mail Sonic must get! Preciesly why I'm upset..... there are so many people out there....and if only comic book companies, (Like Archie,) would take the time to nitice this. And not only are there fans out there ready to read and view our (good) artwork and stories, I'm sure there's some sort of market for it. $$$. :) (After all, we can't be doing something non-profitable, can we? That'd be insane..) -MiGHTY From firmiss@cae.wisc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: James Firmiss Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:02:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: robotocized cows, + Issue 32 Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, William Graham wrote: > > On the other hand, Muttski didn't seem to be all that sentient when he > appeared in the Sonic comic mini-series. (I wonder if his robotocization > changed that? I guess we'll find out in issue #32.) So not all terrestrial > species have sentient counterparts on Mobius. Nope... I just got Issue #32 and yes, we get to see a return of Muttski. I won't go into details or give any spoilers, but Muttski is still a dog (a robot dog, but not a sentient one). I don't have time to review #32 by the way... At least the artwork is back up to 'par' (pencils by Art Mawhinney). > As for getting ones characters in the comics, isn't that what the > Sonic-grams and Sonic Art pages are for? Even a single panel can > tell a whole story. True... like that fan-art drawing of Sonic and St. John about to duke it out while Knuckles gets the princess. > Mind you, the chances of having ones art or > letter chosen for publication must be rather slim with all the fan > mail Sonic must get! I have to wonder... How much fan mail DOES Sonic (& Friends) get in a month at Archie? Also... are letters often printed in full or is the text cut down a bit to save space? -- James Firmiss From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 13:52:33 -0500 Subject: Opps!! Davey fracked up his page... Status: O X-Status: Last time I logged on [tuesday] I was adding stuff to my Web Page, and damaged it up somehow, misplaced a HTML here, deleted a JPG there...I just repaired it as of this posting, and all should be well again. Sorry for the trouble..... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<---Get BAMmed!!! From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 14:56:39 -0500 Subject: Re: This is a stupid question. Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-19 22:12:29 EST, you write: >What I think Simon is trying to ask is, do you think it >is possible to find a cow furry with Sonic, or would that sound too much >like those Far Side comics? > > Yes, I think it would....will be fun, tho' if used as a prank on Robotnik... From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 14:56:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Sonic fans: Please DON'T call Archie offices Status: O X-Status: Sheesh! I make an inquiry asking how I can make submissions for the Sonic Comics, and when I turn around, I hear that all of Archie Comics is going down the crapper because of all the fan calls to Spaz!! What's next? The three dorks wanting respect in the Adventures of Scott and Paul strip get roboticized? Hmmmm....sounds like fun.... Davey Crockett: "You want respect, guys? *I'll* give you respect! ha,ha,ha..." David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<--Get BAMmed!!! From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 14:56:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critique Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-21 09:21:58 EST, you write: >So anyway. It's just as well that neither David nor Ryan got into the >Christmas angle with anything like depth. Whatever else Christmas on >Mobius might be, it wouldn't necessarily resemble the Earthly variety. Wait til I start on a story I dreamed up one day, which crosses "Sonic the Hedgehog" with Aslan from "The Lion, The Witch, And the Wardrobe," but the storyline will, of course, be original, no Mobian will get 'saved'--Hey, they don't need a spiritual savior--and a point some will say 'unique' will be raised... Stay tuned on my page for details.... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<--Get BAMmed From rotor@PrimeNet.Com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Bookshire Draftwood Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 21:46:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: HO! HO! HO! Status: O X-Status: This may be off-topic, but who cares...it just had to be said. This list made it to Christmas so I shall be the first to say... MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL!!!!! AND A VERY VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!! LONG LIVE SONIC THE HEDGEHOG!!!!!! +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |David M. Pistone | | |The 100% Furry and Anime Maniac!!! | The Rat's Nest: | | | bookshire@rat.org | |WWW: http://rat.org/bookshire | | +----------------------------------------+ Glendale Community College: | | __ __ ____ ___ ___ ____ | 67116@ef.gc.maricopa.edu | | /__)/__) / / / / /_ /\ / /_ / +----------------------------------+ | / / \ / / / / /__ / \/ /___ / rotor@primenet.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 00:03:28 -0500 Subject: Merry Christmas! Status: O X-Status: Just writing to wish everybody a Merry Christmas! Good will toward all of my friends out there in Cyberspace. Now I get to go spend the night playing the 11th Hour.....:) Matt From AHVT94B@Prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: AHVT94B@Prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 13:43:24 EST Subject: Re: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critiqu Status: O X-Status: Ummm, this post is off-topic, but it's replying to a post that was on-topic, and I wanted to send it to the list anyway cuz it's referring to one of my favorite fantasy serieseseseseseseseseses (there, now nobody will attack me for misspellings! ), and it's doubtless others will be familiar with the topic. Hopefully I won't get my head bit off like that guy who said something that OBVIOUSLY was a comparison to the perv directory's removal and then was accused of spamming... >Wait til I start on a story I dreamed up one day, which crosses "Sonic the >Hedgehog" with Aslan from "The Lion, The Witch, And the Wardrobe," but >the storyline will, of course, be original, no Mobian will get >'saved'--Hey, they don't need a spiritual savior--and a point some will >say 'unique' will be raised... AAAAARGH!!!!!!!! YOUR CRIME IS UNTHINKABLE!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE MENTIONED THE LION, THE WITCH, AND THE WARDROBE WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE OTHER SIX BOOKS IN THE SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT PRINCE CASPIAN, THE VOYAGE OF THE DAWN TREADER, THE HORSE AND HIS BOY, THE MAGICIAN'S NEPHEW, AND THE LAST BATTLE (IN THAT ORDER)?!?!?! >< MUST...CALM...DOWN........TAKE...OFF...CAPS...LOCK.............. From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 95 11:30:54 MST Subject: Christmas? on Mobius Status: O X-Status: After digging into the background origins of Christmas, thanks to a Sociology class I had a year ago, you would kinda wonder what related holiday Mobius would have. Allow me to explain. In the days of the Roman Empire, on or about December 25, there was a holiday called Boxing Day (No, this isn't the holiday for Mohammed Ali). Throughout the year, Roman citizens would take their loose pocket change and put in into a box made of Alabaster, a rock simular in color and hardness to gold. On Boxing Day, they would take the box and break it open, take all the money, and have a big party in the town. According to more accurate astronomy, the Star of Bethlaham, the sign of Christ's birth, probably appeared on or about September 12 or 13, 75 BC. When the Christians overthrew the Romans, the Romans were allowed to keep a few holidays. So, as a convieniance for the Romans and Christians, the day of Christ's birth was moved to December 25, the Roman's former Boxing Day. Now, going under the presumption that Christ was not born on Mobius, you would think there would be a simular holiday there. It may not signify Christ's birth, but it would have some other cultural significance. I suppose the thing to do in this "Christmas on Mobius" matter is - just keep an open mind. Besides, with all of the visitors they have been getting from the fan-fiction stories (Joseph and anyone else I may have missed), I'm pretty sure they would bring thier cultural holiday to Mobius. And if the dates jel, well... like I said, keep an open mind about it. Well, any-who, "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and a Happy New Year. -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 14:21:43 EST Subject: Merry Christmas! Status: O X-Status: Ummm, okay. It's Christmas. Good thing. Thing is, I have a couple questions: 1. I'm almost finished with my story, The Hunt Begins. Can I still send it to the list, or did someone say not to do that anymore?! I sincerely hope the former, but I THINK someone sent me a nasty-gram when I u/l'ed Blue Flames. 2. One of my Christmas presents (which I'm getting Friday, I think; I know I don't have it yet) is a scanner. As I'm obviously going to be using it a LOT (at least at first, and maybe even at second ), I'd like to figure out how to upload files to Rat's FTP, since I STILL don't have my grandmother's password to use GINA and am stuck with Prodigy's text-only mail software and Netscape-compatible (albeit glitchy) browser. Maybe I could send somebody who has both Prodigy and the REAL NET (Matt, Eric, I'm talking to YOU GUYS) files and have THEM u/l 'em... >< C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:54:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Merry Christmas! Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 25 Dec 1995, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: > Ummm, okay. It's Christmas. Good thing. Thing is, I have a couple questions: > > 1. I'm almost finished with my story, The Hunt Begins. Can I still send it > to the list, or did someone say not to do that anymore?! I sincerely hope > the former, but I THINK someone sent me a nasty-gram when I u/l'ed Blue Flames. > > 2. One of my Christmas presents (which I'm getting Friday, I think; I know > I don't have it yet) is a scanner. As I'm obviously going to be using it a > LOT (at least at first, and maybe even at second ), I'd like to figure > out how to upload files to Rat's FTP, since I STILL don't have my > grandmother's password to use GINA and am stuck with Prodigy's text-only > mail software and Netscape-compatible (albeit glitchy) browser. Maybe I > could send somebody who has both Prodigy and the REAL NET (Matt, Eric, I'm > talking to YOU GUYS) files and have THEM u/l 'em... > > > > >< > > C> (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer > > as for you.... I have a scanner! Write me personally, and I'll put it up on MY page...(and what goes on my page is always downloaded by Ratman, ((we've made agreements to share)) ) and put on hIS page.. Well,, just write me personally and we'll talk. Hey, even if it's snail mail.... -MiGHTY "game over, man!" From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:02:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critique Status: O X-Status: > > Wait til I start on a story I dreamed up one day, which crosses "Sonic the > Hedgehog" with Aslan from "The Lion, The Witch, And the Wardrobe," but the > storyline will, of course, be original, no Mobian will get 'saved'--Hey, they > don't need a spiritual savior--and a point some will say 'unique' will be > raised... > > Stay tuned on my page for details.... > > David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] > http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<--Get BAMmed > You bet I will, Dave -- I've got an entire bookshelf devoted to Lewisiana. Dan (who read "The Last Battle" in one sitting, it was that good!) From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 19:57:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Christmas Time on Mobius - a critiqu Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-25 14:05:05 EST, you write: >AAAAARGH!!!!!!!! YOUR CRIME IS UNTHINKABLE!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE MENTIONED >THE LION, THE WITCH, AND THE WARDROBE WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE OTHER >SIX BOOKS IN THE SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT >ABOUT PRINCE CASPIAN, THE VOYAGE OF THE DAWN TREADER, THE HORSE AND HIS >BOY, THE MAGICIAN'S NEPHEW, AND THE LAST BATTLE (IN THAT ORDER)?!?!?! > > (I grab Davey's Power Rifle and cock it once to defend myself!!!) Hey!!! it's the only book that came in Cartoon Form!!!! Don't Blame me........hmmmmm..... [poor singing] don't blame me.....don't flame me.... [slaps himself back to his senses] ahem, excuse me... David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman<---Thge JB Strips are now On-Line!!! From drazen@andrews.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: drazen@andrews.edu (Dan Drazen) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 09:04:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tails #3 (for the FAQ sheet) Status: O X-Status: John, Thanks for posting the summary. I usually reserve comment on a story until I've had a chance to read it myself (which is totally dependent upon the fact that this corner of Michigan must be one of the LAST to get the comics!), but I've gotten enough clues from your summary to make a couple observations: * The whole business with Athair feels like a separate story tacked onto "Southern Crossover." It's convenient in that it's a way for Tails to get patched up in a hurry, but everything about the emeralds and the Saurian Age is thrown at us at once, in part 3 of a 3-parter. A little less detail, or a little foreshadowing, wouldn't have hurt (e.g., have a panel showing Athain in silhouette sensing Tails' arrival at the same time CrocBot picks him up on radar). * OK, Gallagher can draw. That doesn't necessarily justify the running device of "Tails To Astonish" -- I've already objected that that plot device became useless when the Sea Fox went down (see below). The same results could have been obtained, for instance, in #2 in a conversation between Tails and one of the Forty Fathom Freedom Fighters: Tails might start waxing nostalgic about Knothole, then stops himself when he remembers how mad at the others he's supposed to be. Sample dialog: Tails: Not that they'd ever take me seriously.... Fluke: Yeah, they're always treating you like a little kid. Tails (shocked): That's right!! How did you know? Fluke: I didn't. But that's the way I felt about the older whales in my herd when I was your age. You get the idea. Likewise, if I were as banged up as Tails at the beginning of #3 I don't think I'd be in any shape to work on comics. The last time I had the flu I didn't want to write: all I wanted was to get the license number of the truck that backed over me and then have a nice, quiet coma. ;-) Besides, where would Tails have gotten the art supplies in the crater? * Sorry, but I don't buy the restoration of the Sea Fox. I know this is a comic book, but come on! I'll have to read #3 myself to see whether Tails' change of heart is any more credible -- nothing in #1 or #2 provides sufficient motivation. At least #3 sounds more credible overall than the second half of "Growing Pains" in Sonic #29. One of these days I'm going to post my rewrite of that train wreck. Sample dialogue from Fiona: "No offense, Tails, but you kiss like a boy." ================================================================ || ___------__ || || |\__-- /\ _- || Daniel J. Drazen || | / __ _ || drazen@andrews.edu || //\ / \ /__ || || | o| 0|__ --_ || Custodian of one of the Sonic || \\____-- __ \ ___ - || the Hedgehog FAQ Files || (@@ __/ / /_ || || -_____--- --_ || ASCII Sonic by Han J. Lee ================================================================ From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:24:28 +0200 Subject: (C)(TM)(R) Status: O X-Status: ARGHHHHHH! (C)(TM)(R) is going to be delayed even more. This is due to some serious multi-tasking on my part. All operastions have now been allocated a time block.. The reason.. I want to do some serious work on the STH game. All tasks are being done, just slower. Sorry, gonna have to wait all. *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* | ## ##### # ## ### ### #### #### |Getting rejected in | | # # # # # # # # # # #|reality is "okay", but | |###### ##### # ###### # #### ##### |virtuality? Gods, I'll | |# # # # # # # # # # #|never get this social | |# # ##### #### # # # #### # #|thing right!-Simon Howes| *------------------------------------------------*------------------------* From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 17:31:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (C)(TM)(R) Status: O X-Status: >ARGHHHHHH! > >(C)(TM)(R) is going to be delayed even more. This is due to some serious >multi-tasking on my part. All operastions have now been allocated a time >block.. > >The reason.. I want to do some serious work on the STH game. > >All tasks are being done, just slower. > What STH game? :) ------------------------------------------- | Mighty IS Doug LoConti | "you wage wars;| | "mighty@en.com" | our crime? | | | -curiousity" | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From DGonterman@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: DGonterman@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 18:20:25 -0500 Subject: Re: (C)(TM)(R) Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 95-12-27 17:39:16 EST, you write: >What STH game? :) The game we're working on; Me, Al, and some others. I entitled it "Sonic 4--Twisted Mettle" Sega won't make one, so the FANS will!!! David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] http://users.aol.com/dgonterman From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 01:24:09 -0500 Subject: Sure is quiet Status: O X-Status: The list has been quiet as a mouse the past week. Did everybody take off for sunny Florida for Christmas vacation? Talk to everybody soon. -Matt "Things could be worse." From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:43:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Administrivia: welcome text Status: O X-Status: I have loaded a new informational text for the Sonic list, and posted it to the list under the Subject: Welcome to Sonic and Sonic-digest. There have been several changes, so please read the new text even if you have recently read the 11/95 version. Now let's get back to fighting Robotnik. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:39:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Welcome to Sonic and Sonic-digest Status: O X-Status: SONIC THE HEDGEHOG: INTERNET DENIZENS FOR A FREE MOBIUS (sonic@lists.mv.net and sonic-digest@lists.mv.net) Welcome to the only mailing lists that are Way Past Cool: Sonic the Hedgehog (tm) ! In these mailing lists, we discuss the comic books and cartoons based on SEGA (tm)'s Sonic the Hedgehog, and help free Mobius from the evil Dr. Robotnik. The Sonic mailing list opened on 4 February 1995. This is a low- to medium-volume list; you can normally expect to receive 5-10 list messages per day (though variations can and do occur). There are two versions of the Sonic mailing list. One is "live" and the other is a digest. You may change your subscription status from "live" to digest or from digest to "live" at any time. If you decide to change your subscription status, be sure that you unsubscribe from the version you don't want anymore, or you will be subscribed to both versions and receive all messages twice. See "How to Change Your Status" below for more information. To post to the list, send your messages to sonic@lists.mv.net. This address applies to both versions of the list. If you feel you must flame someone, please do so in e-mail directly to that person. Let's focus on fighting Robotnik, not each other. You may post information and opinions related to the characters and stories in the Sonic comics, cartoons, and fan fiction. You may post messages on the Sonic games to the extent that the focus is on the Sonic/Mobius story and/or characters, and not on the games themselves. Asking why a game character rarely appears in the comics is on-topic, but asking how to become "Super Sonic" in Sonic 3 is not. If you are interested in the Sonic games too (or instead), please see the "Other Internet Resources" section below. Please do not post any of the following types of material: files, commercial advertising, personal ads, or anything obscene. If you do, you are subject to immediate removal from the list and suspension or termination of subscription privileges. If in doubt, please contact the list manager before posting. Sonic-related fan fiction, images, and sounds may be uploaded by ftp to rat.org or mailed to rat@rat.org. There are two FAQ's for this list. You are encouraged to read them before posting to the list. They can both be retrieved from the ftp site in /pub/sonic/text as faq-dd.txt and faq-jf.txt. The Sonic Merchandise List can be found in the same directory. See "FTP Site" below for more information. Not everyone has read all of the comic books and seen all of the cartoons. It's fine if you want to discuss major plot points or a story ending, but please place a warning in your message so that you won't spoil the story for those who haven't read/viewed it yet. The lists are archived, and the current month's archive can be retrieved from the mailing list software. Older monthly archives can be retrieved from the ftp site. To retrieve the current month's messages, send the command "get sonic mail.txt" (but without the quotes) in the body of a mail message to majordomo@lists.mv.net (do not use the Subject line because majordomo will ignore it). How To Change Your Status ========================= To change from "live" to digest, send this text inside a message to majordomo@lists.mv.net: subscribe sonic-digest unsubscribe sonic end To change from digest to "live", send this text inside a message to majordomo@lists.mv.net: subscribe sonic unsubscribe sonic-digest end Do not place any commands in the Subject line as majordomo will ignore them. FTP SITE ======== There is a companion anonymous ftp site for this list. Just ftp to rat.org and go to /pub/sonic. Upload files to /incoming; all uploads are subject to approval. You will find sounds, images, list archives and a variety of information. The directory containing "adult" images has been removed at Sega's request. Users without regular ftp access: Contributions may be sent by e-mail to rat@rat.org. Existing files may be obtained via ftpmail. Please contact the list manager if you need help finding a ftpmail server. Other Internet Resources ======================== rec.games.video.sega and alt.sega.genesis Two Usenet groups for discussion of Sonic the Hedgehog and other games from SEGA. Use these groups instead of this mailing list if you want to discuss the Sonic games, get codes/cheats, etc. rec.arts.animation A Usenet group for discussion of animated cartoons. Please read that group's FAQ before posting there. alt.binaries.pictures.cartoons and alt.toon-pics Two Usenet groups for posting image files related to cartoons. The a.b.p.c group was intended to replace the a.t-p group. Some sites will carry one of them, some will carry both of them, and many sites don't carry either of them. alt.binaries.sounds.cartoons A Usenet group for posting digitized sound files related to cartoons. This group is not widely propogated. FurryMUCK and FurToonia These systems are online MU* games that allow users to roleplay Sonic characters. You must have unrestricted telnet access to play these games. FurryMUCK may be reached at furry.org, port 8888; FurToonia may be reached at red_panda.tbyte.com, port 9999. For more information on these games (and on dedicated MU* clients), please see the FAQ's posted to the newsgroups alt.fan.furry and alt.fan.furry.muck. WWW The mailing list has a companion Web site with information, images, and links to Sonic-related newsgroups and other Web sites. You'll find it at http://rat.org/sonic/ . Many thanks to Ratman (Paul Hurley) for giving us a virtual Knothole. The list manager is Erich Schulman who can be reached by e-mail at sonic@rat.org. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sonic the Hedgehog" and "Sega" are registered trademarks of SEGA of America. The Sonic mailing list is an independent service not owned or operated by Sega, and not affiliated with Sega. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From acme@use.usit.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: "Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) Team OS/2" Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:39:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Welcome to Sonic and Sonic-digest Status: O X-Status: SONIC THE HEDGEHOG: INTERNET DENIZENS FOR A FREE MOBIUS (sonic@lists.mv.net and sonic-digest@lists.mv.net) Welcome to the only mailing lists that are Way Past Cool: Sonic the Hedgehog (tm) ! In these mailing lists, we discuss the comic books and cartoons based on SEGA (tm)'s Sonic the Hedgehog, and help free Mobius from the evil Dr. Robotnik. The Sonic mailing list opened on 4 February 1995. This is a low- to medium-volume list; you can normally expect to receive 5-10 list messages per day (though variations can and do occur). There are two versions of the Sonic mailing list. One is "live" and the other is a digest. You may change your subscription status from "live" to digest or from digest to "live" at any time. If you decide to change your subscription status, be sure that you unsubscribe from the version you don't want anymore, or you will be subscribed to both versions and receive all messages twice. See "How to Change Your Status" below for more information. To post to the list, send your messages to sonic@lists.mv.net. This address applies to both versions of the list. If you feel you must flame someone, please do so in e-mail directly to that person. Let's focus on fighting Robotnik, not each other. You may post information and opinions related to the characters and stories in the Sonic comics, cartoons, and fan fiction. You may post messages on the Sonic games to the extent that the focus is on the Sonic/Mobius story and/or characters, and not on the games themselves. Asking why a game character rarely appears in the comics is on-topic, but asking how to become "Super Sonic" in Sonic 3 is not. If you are interested in the Sonic games too (or instead), please see the "Other Internet Resources" section below. Please do not post any of the following types of material: files, commercial advertising, personal ads, or anything obscene. If you do, you are subject to immediate removal from the list and suspension or termination of subscription privileges. If in doubt, please contact the list manager before posting. Sonic-related fan fiction, images, and sounds may be uploaded by ftp to rat.org or mailed to rat@rat.org. There are two FAQ's for this list. You are encouraged to read them before posting to the list. They can both be retrieved from the ftp site in /pub/sonic/text as faq-dd.txt and faq-jf.txt. The Sonic Merchandise List can be found in the same directory. See "FTP Site" below for more information. Not everyone has read all of the comic books and seen all of the cartoons. It's fine if you want to discuss major plot points or a story ending, but please place a warning in your message so that you won't spoil the story for those who haven't read/viewed it yet. The lists are archived, and the current month's archive can be retrieved from the mailing list software. Older monthly archives can be retrieved from the ftp site. To retrieve the current month's messages, send the command "get sonic mail.txt" (but without the quotes) in the body of a mail message to majordomo@lists.mv.net (do not use the Subject line because majordomo will ignore it). How To Change Your Status ========================= To change from "live" to digest, send this text inside a message to majordomo@lists.mv.net: subscribe sonic-digest unsubscribe sonic end To change from digest to "live", send this text inside a message to majordomo@lists.mv.net: subscribe sonic unsubscribe sonic-digest end Do not place any commands in the Subject line as majordomo will ignore them. FTP SITE ======== There is a companion anonymous ftp site for this list. Just ftp to rat.org and go to /pub/sonic. Upload files to /incoming; all uploads are subject to approval. You will find sounds, images, list archives and a variety of information. The directory containing "adult" images has been removed at Sega's request. Users without regular ftp access: Contributions may be sent by e-mail to rat@rat.org. Existing files may be obtained via ftpmail. Please contact the list manager if you need help finding a ftpmail server. Other Internet Resources ======================== rec.games.video.sega and alt.sega.genesis Two Usenet groups for discussion of Sonic the Hedgehog and other games from SEGA. Use these groups instead of this mailing list if you want to discuss the Sonic games, get codes/cheats, etc. rec.arts.animation A Usenet group for discussion of animated cartoons. Please read that group's FAQ before posting there. alt.binaries.pictures.cartoons and alt.toon-pics Two Usenet groups for posting image files related to cartoons. The a.b.p.c group was intended to replace the a.t-p group. Some sites will carry one of them, some will carry both of them, and many sites don't carry either of them. alt.binaries.sounds.cartoons A Usenet group for posting digitized sound files related to cartoons. This group is not widely propogated. FurryMUCK and FurToonia These systems are online MU* games that allow users to roleplay Sonic characters. You must have unrestricted telnet access to play these games. FurryMUCK may be reached at furry.org, port 8888; FurToonia may be reached at red_panda.tbyte.com, port 9999. For more information on these games (and on dedicated MU* clients), please see the FAQ's posted to the newsgroups alt.fan.furry and alt.fan.furry.muck. WWW The mailing list has a companion Web site with information, images, and links to Sonic-related newsgroups and other Web sites. You'll find it at http://rat.org/sonic/ . Many thanks to Ratman (Paul Hurley) for giving us a virtual Knothole. The list manager is Erich Schulman who can be reached by e-mail at sonic@rat.org. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Sonic the Hedgehog" and "Sega" are registered trademarks of SEGA of America. The Sonic mailing list is an independent service not owned or operated by Sega, and not affiliated with Sega. Erich Schulman (KTN4CA) [Team OS/2] A net.freedom-fighter for Mobius! "Freedom Fighters are #1!" -- Sonic the Hedgehog A! JW2 WAR++ PI0>+ BR+i SL++++i SK+++ RI0>++/++^ RU+ GDF0>+ BU++ MI- MM- KK-- Do $++ E59 Ee5 TRita Ay68 M Mail: acme@use.usit.net | WWW: http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~eschulma From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Doug LoConti Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 11:37:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (C)(TM)(R) Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 28 Dec 1995 DGonterman@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 95-12-27 17:39:16 EST, you write: > > >What STH game? :) > > The game we're working on; Me, Al, and some others. I entitled it "Sonic > 4--Twisted Mettle" > > Sega won't make one, so the FANS will!!! > > David Gonterman [dgonterman@aol.com] > http://users.aol.com/dgonterman > Oh yeah? What language ya makin' it in? I can program some, and I can do jammin' MODS! Let's get EVERYBODY in on this one! for the PC, I assume? From Tails3657@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Tails3657@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 11:42:57 -0500 Subject: Re: (C)(TM)(R) Status: O X-Status: I've got some Ideas on this game...Email me if you want them. I hope this comes for Mac too... -TAiLS From ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu (John W. Johnston) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 95 11:08:48 MST Subject: Interrigations Status: O X-Status: A few weeks ago, someone was talking about why Robotnik interrigates his prisoners before he reboticizes them. Yesterday, I was rummaging through my files and I found this interesting excert from Dan Drazen's Bloodlines. "And as for you," he said as he turned his attention to Bunnie, "you won't be roboticized just yet--not until you've told me everything I want to know about Knothole." "In your dreams, Robotnik!" "Do you know what I dream of, my dear? Ways of extracting information from reluctant forest folk such as yourself. You WILL tell me what you know. And I assure you that the method I will use to learn what I want to know from you will be slower and more painful than necessary." -- ab360@rgfn.epcc.edu or http://rgfn.epcc.edu/users/ab360/tails.html John W. Johnston | StH JJ1 tFF++ Tal+++it Amy+++ | From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:43:44 +0200 Subject: Game Development Team Status: O X-Status: Greetings all, For those of you that have recently joined the list etc, and missed the origin of the game development team... there is another chance to join. First let me explain what our idea is.. the next Sonic the hedgehog for PC..= =20 There are a few little things that it can boast: VGA 256 Color GFX. Real Paralax Scrolling & Multiple Paralax techniques. Digital Sound (As opposed to cruddy FM) Stereo Sound Effects. Joystick/Joypad support. Well there are more features.. like the playable characters but I won't spoil that for you just yet. Also, I wouldn't be so bold as to call it Sonic 4.. SEGA, might one-day make their own Sonic-4.. and/or assimilate me. O_o Of course.. We need as much help as possible. So if you think you can be of service to us.. just mail me : Ablater@lin01.global.co.za and tell me your abilities and/or where I can get samples of your work. (You may attach stuff too, but please not more than 1Mb)=20 I used to have a biggo fancy form to fill in, but when my mail baskets got too full.. I .. well... compressed them with that great DOS 6 compression program -- "Deltree" (It's an amazing compressor.. 30 Mb to 0 bytes in 20seconds! ;) ) Well, I guess just some info on your self would be nice though.. real name etc.. and especially your abilities.. boast like hell :=B7)=20 I'm no officious high-high-smooth-smooth lordo, and I'm not going to reject you. Nor am I going to lemon ya into drawing 4000 frames; but all help is needed.. the more of us there are.. the easier it will be. ----------------------------------- Info_Z ----------------------------------- The game is being written in Turbo Pascal, though will be moved to Borland Pascal (Ie 286-extender -- But 386Asm Code).= =20 Assembler is used for speed. 256Colors ModeX, SoundBlaster=20 series fully supported, and 8 channel digital music, and 4 channels sound FX. I apologize that this message is so short, but I am very busy at the moment at writing the sound system.=20 Cheers = *-------------------------------------------------*------------------------= * | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | What was and what will= | | O o o O o O o O O O o | be.. are never mine to= | |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | grasp or see. = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | = | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Jonathan Righter = | *-------------------------------------------------*------------------------ * \ Simon Howes-- GR StarLeader/Prince of Chaoas/ and all round weird guy /=20 ----------------------------------+------------------------------------ ||| | From MDmitry@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: MDmitry@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 20:43:55 -0500 Subject: Game Development Team Status: O X-Status: On 95-12-30 16:59:11 EST, Simon Howes wrote: >Greetings all Hi! How ya doin! I really wish I could help with your game, but, sadly, I am a novice at programing and multimedia (I am very good at hacking, and now have a war with the school security system, in fact, I am winning. I don't think that helps though). I wish you a lot of luck, and protection from SEGA's lawyers ("though" again). Anyway, I did think up of a nice idea, though (thay just keep comming, don't they). What if SEGA took one of it's really nice and fast racing games, added a couple of enemies and obsticles, a couple of rings, some really nice graphics, a contract with DiC, and put a cool looking hedgehog on the bottom of the screen. (Taking a breath... Wow, what a run-on!) Free chance to be a crittic! Anyone? "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) From MDmitry@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: MDmitry@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 20:44:04 -0500 Subject: Hello and thanks Status: O X-Status: Hello everybody! I am a new, 16 year old, member who is a B-I-G fan of Sonic, and am very thankfull for all really cool info you have posted on this board (I got the archive just a while ago). In fact, I really didn't understand the Sonic world completely untill you guys stuffed me up with it (better choice of words?). I am originally from Ukraine and that might explain the name and the gramatical/spelling errors (Hey, there's one!), and currently am working on a StH story and chess pieces (I just found out that I am pretty good at sculpting). I have one Archie StH comic, and one StH Satturday episode which I recorded during it's running time and keeping it in a very secure place (By the way, has anyone heard from David Pistone? He doesn't seem to be getting my message). Just so as to be on track, what is the current popular discussion here? (do tell) "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) From MDmitry@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: MDmitry@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 20:59:17 -0500 Subject: Bloodlines Status: O X-Status: On 95-12-30 13:47:30 EST, John W. Johnston wrote: >A few weeks ago, someone was talking about why Robotnik >interrigates his prisoners before he reboticizes them. Yesterday, >I was rummaging through my files and I found this interesting >excert from Dan Drazen's Bloodlines. Thanks. I was wondering who wrote that. (I mean it (story) in a good way). From Tails3657@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Tails3657@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 21:25:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Game Development Team Status: O X-Status: I've got ideas too. A code I came up with which I only want to tell the mail programmer/programmers ---- In the background on the "game over" screen have animation of one or all the Freedom Fighters getting roboticized ---- Make an opening sequence like the one on Sonic CD, only better ---- Let my brother do some of the music. Give me the "snail mail" address of where to send a tape and I'll try to get it out as soon as I can. He plays excellent keyboard and has thought up a few things already ---- When sonic becomes invincible, he could take out a power ring or something... I'm trying to come up with more stuff. I'd put it in this letter, but I don't have the time right now. Email me if you have any questions about this stuff. Thanks. -TAiLS -MiCHAEL REYES From ablater@global.co.za Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: ablater@global.co.za (Simon Howes) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 14:32:40 +0200 Subject: Re: Game Development Team Status: O X-Status: >I've got ideas too. Great, um, just one small thing.. could you post them to me instead of the list. (There are spies everywhere I tell you! he he ) But on the serious side, I don't want to clog this list with the game development.. a lot of people would get getting mail that has nothing to do with them. Thanks for everyones interest, You can mail me at: ablater@lin01.global.co.za [See that in the top somewhere too?] Cheers (Does this darned logo work now?) *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* | Oo OoOoO. O Oo OoO.OoO OoOo OoOo | What was and what will| | O o o O o O o O O O o | be.. are never mine to| |OoOoOo OoOoO=B7 O OoOoOo o oOoO oOoOo=B7 | grasp or see. = | |o O o O o o O O O O O | | |O o oOoOo. =B7oOoO O o o OoOo o o | -- Jonathan Righter = | *-------------------------------------------------*-----------------------* \Simon Howes-- GR StarLeader/Prince of Chaoas/ and all round weird guy/=20 ---------------------------------+----------------------------------- ||| | From MDmitry@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: MDmitry@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 13:38:29 -0500 Subject: What about the war?/ Happy N Y Status: O X-Status: This message might offend some people, so, if it offends you, I am sorry in advance. Anyway, here it goes: Why do the writers make Robotnik tell stupid jokes? Why jokes at all? He's a madman who is allways in a bad mood. People in a bad mood (or, do to some accidents involving the hedgehog, is in a terrible mood) dont tell jokes?! Especially not _BAD_ jokes! And I think I saw some of you write that Bloodlines (I loved that story) was too depressing. Well, of course it's depressing! Wars are allways depressing! There's a _HOLOCAUST_ going on for @#!%$# sakes! I mean, some stories write about a group that goes out to plant bombs in a factory, the group is having fun, and the group is allways happy. WHAT ABOUT THE _WAR_?! Also Robotnik. Why is he portrayed as being so stupid? (Lot's of stories I have read have that) If he's an idiot, Than the whole Mobius is made up of idiots! Robotnik, an "evil GENIUS", outsmarted the whole world, and thus became the "planet's overlord". Why doesn't anyone (or at least only a very small amount of people) pay any attention to these things!? Thank you for listening and helping me get this off of my back. HAPPY NEW YEAR KNOTHOLE! Hopefully this little message will be the New Year's resolution :'{ "If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 14:21:26 EST Subject: STRING USA UP!!!!!! Status: O X-Status: Today, for the second week in a row, USA preempted Sonic for some lame movie. I don't care if it happens to be Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve; under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should ANYONE be allowed to change early Sunday morning programming. It's common courtesy; you can't preempt something without leaving a way to know you have, and the TV listings don't come in until Sunday morning (unless you get TV Guide, which I don't anymore), when it's too late. In any case, I think they should have put at the end of the December 17 Sonic episode a message to this effect: "ATTENTION! Sonic the Hedgehog will NOT be shown for the next two weeks, so if you're a fan who likes the show so much that you miss Mad TV the night before so you can set your alarm clock to 6:50 AM, and then often go back to sleep after the show's over, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO SO UNTIL JANUARY 7! Repeat, Sonic the Hedgehog will NOT be shown for the next two weeks!!!" Anybody else have that problem, or does it come on at a reasonable time in other areas? >< Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From AHVT94B@prodigy.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: AHVT94B@prodigy.com ( THADDEUS BOYD) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 15:37:10 EST Subject: Re: What about the war?/ Happy N Y Status: O X-Status: Good questions. I try to portray Robotnik (well, Julian, actually, in most of the story) as an evil genius in The Hunt Begins. (Look for it soon! I just need my friend to read it and weed out some incontinuities if he finds any!) >< I swear, the first half of that story is even "normal universe-ish". From mighty@en.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: mighty@en.com (Doug LoConti) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 18:33:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: What about the war?/ Happy N Y Status: O X-Status: >This message might offend some people, so, if it offends >you, I am sorry in advance. > >Anyway, here it goes: > >Why do the writers make Robotnik tell stupid jokes? Why jokes at all? He's a >madman who is allways in a bad mood. People in a bad mood (or, do to some >accidents involving the hedgehog, is in a terrible mood) dont tell jokes?! >Especially not _BAD_ jokes! And I think I saw some of you write that >Bloodlines (I loved that story) was too depressing. Well, of course it's >depressing! Wars are allways depressing! There's a _HOLOCAUST_ going on for >@#!%$# sakes! I mean, some stories write about a group that goes out >to plant bombs in a factory, the group is having fun, and the group is >allways happy. WHAT ABOUT THE _WAR_?! Also Robotnik. Why is he portrayed as >being so stupid? (Lot's of stories I have read have that) If he's an idiot, >Than the whole Mobius is made up of idiots! Robotnik, an "evil GENIUS", >outsmarted the whole world, and thus >became the "planet's overlord". Why doesn't anyone (or at least >only a very small amount of people) pay any attention to these >things!? >Thank you for listening and helping me get this off of my back. > > HAPPY NEW YEAR KNOTHOLE! >Hopefully this little message will be the New Year's resolution :'{ > > > > >"If it ain't blue, don't get it!" - ME (A rule I try to follow) > > Dmitry (Sonic Fan) Murashchik > COLLECTOR/WRITER/SCULPTOR. > You have a good point....but, for it to be heard, you should write "DIC" and tell them! ------------------------------------------- | Mighty IS Doug LoConti | "you wage wars;| | "mighty@en.com" | our crime? | | | -curiousity" | |------------------------------------------ | http://www.en.com/users/mighty | ------------------------------------------- From MDmitry@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: MDmitry@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 18:27:35 -0500 Subject: ANSI Sonic Status: O X-Status: Why didn't Han J. LEE think of drawing Sonic like this? ___------__ |\__-- /\ _- |/ __ _ //\ / \ /__ | o| 0|__ --_ \\____-- __ \ ___ - (@@ __/ / /_ | -_____--- --_ (O) // \ \\ - \\ //|\__/ \\ ___- \/ \_____/ \-\ // \\--\| ____// ||_ /___//_\ /___\ P. S. If you move this character "|" one space to the left, Sonic will gine a nice message about Robuttnick's coup. From gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu (Robin Hood) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:08:14 -72500 (EST) Subject: Reflections at Sunrise (1/1) Status: O X-Status: Reflections at Sunrise A Sonic the Hedgehog story by Kris Kelley This story is protected by copyright laws. Feel free to distribute this story, but the author does not allow any unauthorized alteration of the story or distribution for profit. Hey look, another one! It's a short one this time. See what you think of it. Several thousand hiyas for several thousand people. :) gt6005a@prism.gatech.edu is the place for comments. And, as always... All characters depicted herein are the creation and property of Service and Games (SEGA) and/or Archie Publications and/or DiC except for the following: Paul: Created by Kris Kelley. Whoever wants him can have him! The story: Sally had once heard that the darkest hours were those just before sunrise. Now, as she walked towards the lookout post, she believed it. She could hardly see where she was going! She continued on, though, as experience (and Nicole, of course) told her she was headed in the right direction. Ever since her father, King Acorn, had once convinced his daughter, with some difficulty, to get out of bed and watch the sunrise with him, she had been dazzled by it. Even now, despite the pollution that Robotnik's factories pumped daily into the atmosphere, the sunrise was beautiful to her. So, this morning she came to watch... and to think. Paul heard footsteps on the platform behind him and groggily turned to see who it was. Soon, he was wide awake and at attention. "S-Sally, I didn't, um..." "It's okay, Paul. Go home. I'll be here for the rest of the time." "You sure?" he asked, still nervous. She chuckled. "Yes. Now scoot!" "Okay." Alone again, Sally settled down, hugging herself against the slight chill of the morning air. She looked out at the horizon, which was beginning to show a faint glow. The sunrise was near. She began to think. I'm worried, she thought to herself. What are the Freedom Fighters coming to? She sighed. If this keeps up, there may not be any hope of ever defeating Robotnik. Recently, Sonic had suggested that they allow more of the villagers who wanted to become Freedom Fighters to train to do so. Sally had been persuaded by him, thinking that perhaps now was the time to have as many fighters as possible, in case Robotnik grew more ambitious with his projects. Unfortunately, the results had not been quite what she had planned. In the last two weeks, her authority had been questioned, she had heard talking behind her back on more than one occasion, and one mission had to be aborted because of lack of cooperation. On top of all that, she was even having to ward off advances from one of the older squirrels in the community! She sighed and looked again at the horizon, which was glowing red just above the mountains. The sun would be rising any minute now. What can be done? Sonic didn't seem to worry about it, as he was enjoying all the new attention he was getting. But she knew it couldn't continue like this. One more aborted mission, or one more refusal to cooperate, and Robotnik probably wouldn't have to worry about defeating the Freedom Fighters; they would do it themselves. Eyes closed, she shook her head and sighed again. What can be done? The wind whipped through her hair, and she opened her eyes again. There was the sun, just beginning to appear, announcing that the night was over. She had to smile, even now. It was as beautiful as she had remembered it. Slowly, as each minute passed, the sun climbed higher into the sky, red changing to a brighter orange, and then an even brighter yellow. Silently, the sun once again started its daily journey across the sky. Memories of watching the sunrise with her father... Memories of those first bitter days after the coup, when he was gone... The problems at hand now that couldn't be ignored... A tear came to her eye. What can be done? "Yo, Sal! Where are ya?" The com-link startled her, seeming even louder than normal as it interrupted her thoughts. Reluctantly, she took it out of its holster. "I'm okay, Sonic. I'm at the watch-post." "Really? Hey, want me to join ya?" "No, it's okay. I'll be back at the village when the next watch starts." "Sal, are you okay?" "I'm fine, Sonic. I'll see you in a few." "Well, okay..." The channel stayed open for a moment more, but Sonic finally switched it off. She was alone once again. The trees were now illuminated, and she allowed herself to marvel at the beauty that was the Great Forest. Would they be able to protect the forest and its inhabitants? She hoped so. Gods of Mobius, I truly hope so. She sat for a while longer, warmed by the morning sun. Then, she looked at Nicole's chronometer. The next watch was soon to start. Well, she thought, I'm not going to get anything done sitting like this for too long. She stood up and stretched, then looked at the forest below. There was Antoine, walking slowly to the watch-post, ready to start his sentry duty. Goodness, she thought, chuckling. He's actually on time. She took out her com-link again and signaled it. Sonic answered. "Yeah, Sally, what's up?" "I'm on my way back, now. Meet me at my hut. We have a lot to talk about, okay?" "Sure thing, Sal! See ya there!" "Ah! 'Ello, mah Princezz!" Sally chuckled again. She had a feeling they would work things out... perhaps, even if it meant having to put some people back into their place. "Hello, Antoine. Nice to see you're not late. Anyway, I need to hurry back to the village. See you later." Yes, things would work out. No more of this pointless bickering or these destructive attitudes. The Freedom Fighters would not be defeated by their own actions. She would see to that. A new day had begun. ---The End. From alexmon1@data.net.mx Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: alexmon1@data.net.mx (ALEXANDRA MONCAYO ORTEGA) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 21:14:21 -0600 Subject: Happy New Year Sonifans!!! Status: O X-Status: Hi there friends! I wish you a very merry happy new year and that all your great and may impossible wishes come true.BTW Did you know I made a wishes box? The last year I told that I wanted to get into a Sonic club(impossible in my country) and well Im here! I asked for a car and well I have it.I asked for Real friends and I have them.I asked for a great love and I have it.I asked for.....etc! I tell you..the wishes box functions! Just try.How to do it? 1.-Easy get a box,cards,a pen and sticky tape 2.-Write your wishes on the cards 3.-Put them inside the box 4.-Close the box 5.-Seal the box with the sticky tape 6.-and you got a wishes box! Well now you have to do this the 31st of December,or 1st of January Now wait all the year and see what happens... Just trust on it or the box wont function! The only wish wasnt true for me was a Sega Saturn that I asked for..aww! Well I hope next year I have it. I wish you a great dinner and many good wishes for this New Year=B4s eve And my first wish will be stay on the Soniclists for all next year. On the other hand... Ablater,I want to help you with the Sonic 4...I learned Pascal but a prob..I never programmed Multimedia...I can help you at least with the credits and battery if the game has it.I want to help you please! See you and a Sonic Happy New Year 1996 for all the Sonicfans Your friend Alexandra From mpenna@vivanet.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Matthew Penna Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 23:27:30 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year!!!!! :) Status: O X-Status: Just wishing a happy and healthy new year to all of the Sonic fans and all of my pals out there in this seemingly limitless universe. The diamond falls in about 30. Have a good one. -Matt "Things are looking up..." From MDmitry@aol.com Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: MDmitry@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:09:07 -0500 Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR! Status: O X-Status: | | /\ |--\ |--\ \ / | | / \ | | | | \ / |-------| |----| |--/ |--/ V | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |---- \ / |\ | | \ / | \ | |-- \ /\ / | \| | \ / \ / | | |---- V V _ \ / |---- /\ |--\ ( ) \ / | / \ | | U V |-- |----| |--/ I | | | | |\ | |---- | | | \ O Getting logged on to the group of really cool people like you was the BEST pressent I can ever get! To freedom of Knothole! - don't leave anyone out :') Best Wishes, and may you (Sally and Sonic) have a nice time being together in 1996! Dmitry Murashchik. From bradc@unix.infoserve.net Fri Feb 2 07:27:14 1996 From: Brad Clark Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 22:59:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: STRING USA UP!!!!!! Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, THADDEUS BOYD wrote: > Today, for the second week in a row, USA preempted Sonic for some lame > movie. I don't care if it happens to be Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve; > under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should ANYONE be allowed to change early Sunday > morning programming. It's common courtesy; you can't preempt something > without leaving a way to know you have, and the TV listings don't come in I agree, it would be nice if TV stations did this. This happens FAR to much where I live, except it's for sporting events, (usually college football ) Sonic airs at 7:00 am there! heh...consider yourself lucky...we only get the 'lame' version now and it comes on only once a week at -5am-! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x RL: Brad D. Clark Furtoonia: Orwin Raccoon/GrumpyBear x x bradc@unix.infoserve.net x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx