From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Sep 1 11:10:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA27429 for kats-ll; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:47:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 09:47:01 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9509011447.AA13202@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: "Bride of the Pastmaster" questions. Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, it seems the second trip through the first season is well on its way on the cartoon network, and the move to 5:30 is getting sufficient hype. It claims that you will get ALL the kats you want, yes, they do put the emphasis on ALL in the commercial. Will we get second season, keep on wood-knocking. Back to the subject- Two questions: 1) How would the Past master know the Swatkats when he doesn't meet them for 600 years?? 2) How does the Pastmaster turn-up in a coffin in Megakat cemetary when he gets obliterated with a dragon 600 years in the past?? 3) (I would need a laser recording to see frame by frame of this) It appears, that after the Pastmaster grabs the Princess with the dragon, and Razor rushes to the top of the castle to chase them down and the smaller dragon hits him from behind, that he looses his mask. Yet in the next shot he still has it. Am I dreaming?? Does anyone have a good recording to check this, my CN signal is not the strongest and recordings suffer. Don't you love these ST:TNG time shifting type questions. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Sep 1 13:40:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA29858 for kats-ll; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:19:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: kats mailing list archive on the ftp site! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I finally split up the archive of the kats and mailing list and will be splitting them monthly. It contains all messages posted to the list since it started. I removed a few files that were posted to the list since they were just taking up space. ftp://rat.org/pub/kats/list-archive/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Sep 1 15:09:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA01374 for kats-ll; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:46:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9509011846.AA28573@cisk> Subject: Kat scheduling and interview To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 11:46:07 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 733 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I see that people have already mentioned that SK is moving to 5:30 pm Eastern/2:30 Pacific starting next week, so I won't mention that again. (Oops, I guess I just did. ) On a related note, I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but has anyone (that has TCN, of course) seen the "interview" with the SWAT Kats? It's a 45-60 second promo featuring a reporter who manages to climb onto the Turbokat (or at least get near it, anyway) and interview T-Bone and Razor. If I'm not mistaken, the animation is all recycled from episodes already made, but they seemed to do a pretty good job in matching up the (re)dubbed voices. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Sep 1 16:09:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA02627 for kats-ll; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:56:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "Bride of the Pastmaster" questions. In-Reply-To: <9509011447.AA13202@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > It appears, that after the Pastmaster grabs the Princess with the dragon, > and Razor rushes to the top of the castle to chase them down and the > smaller dragon hits him from behind, that he looses his mask. Yet > in the next shot he still has it. Am I dreaming?? Does anyone have a good > recording to check this, my CN signal is not the strongest and recordings > suffer. If you're referring to "Bridge of the Pastmaster" when Callie--er, Ms. Briggs--er, the queen is being flown away by one of the Pastmasters monsters and she yells "Sir Razor!" and he yells "Coming, my queen!" and shoots the grappling hook, as far as I can tell, he's wearing the mask the whole time. I'll look further if this isn't the point you're referring to. /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Sep 1 16:39:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA03178 for kats-ll; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:19:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 15:19:13 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9509012019.AA16176@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "Bride of the Pastmaster" questions. Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net That is the point of the episode I was talking about. I also always thought it was "Bride", not to be argumentative. Ian "Coming my queen" -T-Bone sarcastically mimmicking Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Sep 1 16:55:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA03066 for kats-ll; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:13:12 -0400 Message-Id: <304769247026002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 15:12:20 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Kat scheduling and interview Content-Length: 598 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 11:46:07 PDT >From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) >On a related note, I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but >has anyone (that has TCN, of course) seen the "interview" with the >SWAT Kats? It's a 45-60 second promo featuring a reporter who manages >to climb onto the Turbokat (or at least get near it, anyway) and >interview T-Bone and Razor. I've seen it; I have most of it on tape. It's pretty funny, especially the last bit of T-Bone and Razor dialog: T-Bone: Seemed like a nice guy. Razor: Yeah. Good grip, too. Or something like that. :) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Sep 2 20:09:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16426 for kats-ll; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:08:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 20:07:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Lifestyles To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HUTA1XGL4890NPY2@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >was supposed to be a 'Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous' episode >where they profiled William Hanna and Joe Barbera, and supposedly >there would be some scenes from the episode "The Deadly Pyramid" >in it. Yes! This is true! I saw the episode several months ago and posted some little blurb about it. Lifestyles was doing a story on Joe & Bill. They mentioned the new animation coming out of H-B and showed some clips from "Deadly Pyramid". They also showed some video of what looked like a H-B store (similar in appearance to the Warner Bros. Studio Stores). Apparently the Lifestyles show was put together before the cancellation came down from Ted. I'm sure if it were otherwise, Ted would never allowed SK to appear as the clip for new stuff. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Sep 2 20:39:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA16605 for kats-ll; Sat, 2 Sep 1995 20:25:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 1995 20:24:42 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: "Bride of the Pastmaster" questions. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HUTAMY4DOE90NPY2@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Well, it seems the second trip through the first season is well on >its way on the cartoon network, and the move to 5:30 is getting >sufficient hype. It claims that you will get ALL the kats you >want, yes, they do put the emphasis on ALL in the commercial. >Will we get second season, keep on wood-knocking. If you listen _real_ carefully to the plug, it says, "All the kats you can GET". Not "All the kats you WANT, or CAN HANDLE". Pretty tricky wording on the part of TPS, huh... -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Sep 3 08:42:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA24226 for kats-ll; Sun, 3 Sep 1995 08:36:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:36:31 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@sard.mv.net Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "Bride of the Pastmaster" questions. In-Reply-To: <01HUTAMY4DOE90NPY2@delphi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net If I recall correctly, Razor has his mask on all the time, so that bit should have been a video glitch ... as for Pastmaster knowing the SWATKats, I assumed he travelled back from the future to the Dark Ages at the end of "The Pastmaster Always Rings Twice" (he got thrown into a portal) BTW, how does time travel actually work in the SWATKats universe? (Haven't watched any of season 2, so my conjectures could be wrong) It seems that the time travellers displace their real time counterparts .. is that correct? It's like the SWATKats returning back to the future at the end of "Bride ..." before they blasted the worm and the Pastmaster (the undead version) wreaking havoc in the Dark Ages instead of the original (who I, perhaps fallaciously, assume would have been alive). It would also explain how the SWATKats conveniently showed up in the past to beat the Pastmaster (which he attributed to too much of his meddling in the timestream) ... kinda like the time stream smoothing out the effects that shouldn't be there. Ideas? Suggestions? Flames? Simon Leet :) - "You know you're in trouble when ... you think divinity is a triple-layered cheesecake and being sinful is having too much divinity." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Sep 4 19:40:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA10826 for kats-ll; Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:17:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:22:08 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199509042322.QAA28010@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Watch Pumadyne... Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Chance) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Watch Pumadyne... Date: 4 Sep 1995 23:16:46 GMT (Thanks in advance to "T-Bone" -- Walt Koziol -- for scanning this stuff) Okay, I finally sent over a bunch of stuff to someone to get scanned for the Kats FTP site "Pumadyne" (er...'rat.org'). If it all makes it onto the site, you can access official B&W line art and color schemes (Pantone Matching System) for: Jake Chance T-Bone Razor Callie Briggs Turbokat Cmdr. Feral as well as actual "model sheets" from H-B's Butch Hartman (via "Toon") with: Jake/Razor Chance/T-Bone Callie Briggs Cmdr. Feral Manx Felina Turbokat ...and last but not least, two sketches from Lance Falk (head of H-B's "Swatkats" design team) of villians from his unused script premises (also on Pumadyne) "Blackout" and "Rexx Shard (as energy absorbing creature)". (There might be a glitch with Delphi that could potentially cause a delay before this stuff is posted - just keep an eye open.) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 5 17:42:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA26531 for kats-ll; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:32:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, it looks like we got what we wanted... tonight's episode on TCN in the new time slot is a 2nd season (I guess we got 'all the 'Kats we wanted'... :)... /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 5 18:09:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA27020 for kats-ll; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:55:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 95 18:00:12 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Megakat City Skyline Message-ID: <9509051800.aa09675@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Not having seen all the episodes yet, could someone who has please tell me if there's a Kat equivalent of the Statue of Liberty shown in the series, and if the SWAT Kats damage it? There's kind of an interesting discussion on collateral damage in Gargoyles going on on the Ranger List at this moment. Thanks! Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil Oculi numquam nictarantes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 5 19:40:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA28387 for kats-ll; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:11:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN, Again! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, if some of you didn't notice, there's gonna be a TCN SuperChunk of the SWAT Kats on Saturday at 4PM (I believe... Check your tapes, they played it during 9/5's episode (A Bright And Shiny Future)...)... Anyway, maybe here's another Chance (pun intended ) to get yet MORE season 2 episodes (it's about time Teddy Boy got a clue...). /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 5 23:09:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA01974 for kats-ll; Tue, 5 Sep 1995 22:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: <01BA7BD8.3ABC95E0@us010700.interramp.com> From: Matthew Milam To: "'Swat Kats Mailing List'" Subject: The future... Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:38:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BA7BD8.3AC43700" Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ------ =_NextPart_000_01BA7BD8.3AC43700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate to say this but i think Ted has won...I mean i don't get why he = can't just put Swat Kats on a cable channel that except's violent = cartooning. What does that do to parent's? 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To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, White Trash (SK) wrote: > Well, if some of you didn't notice, there's gonna be a TCN SuperChunk of > the SWAT Kats on Saturday at 4PM (I believe... Check your tapes, they > played it during 9/5's episode (A Bright And Shiny Future)...)... Anyway, > maybe here's another Chance (pun intended ) to get yet MORE season > 2 episodes (it's about time Teddy Boy got a clue...). > > /mad Awesome. I suggest everyone tape 'em or get a friend to - it doesn't look like they'll be released to home vid anytime soon. For those of us keeping up with the Time-Warner/TCN thing - I just heard a rumour that Ted's actively pursuing selling off his interest, and that Time-Warner MAY dismantle H-B's new production arm altogether once they inherit it (evidently they're not interested in having more than three different animation divisions; Classic, Features and WBA-TV). I hope this doesn't happen - it'd be like going from bad to worse. Maybe Warners will recognize something in the Kat-guys that Teddy Bear missed. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 6 13:40:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA13331 for kats-ll; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:38:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 95 12:38:20 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9509061738.AA01786@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: The Toys... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I finally found the toys, hey I'm in the midwest, cut me some slack. To sum up my total impression, I'll wait for them to clearance. ...and from the way the shelves were full of these things that won't be long now. I was not at all impressed with the job Remco and/or the designers did on these toys. T-Bone looks more like Razor than the Razor figure did, and I'm not sure what was going on with Dark Kat (didn't someone mention these are more to the original designs, than the toon??) I did like and pick up the Dr. Viper, he's more of a mutant than he is in the toon, kinda like a jr. "Mutation City" Godzilla-Viper. I thought the $6 price was a tad high for what you got. I didn't understand the crossbow for Razor, why not just give both kats a Glove. I think they would have done well to go ahead with the Metallikats, because typically you can make a non-facial character closer than ones that have expressions (see stormtroopers in the new SW line). Oh, and give them the TurboKat, and sell sets of different missles. All and all, I think Playmate would have done these toys far more justice than Remco, a justice long over due. Ian, the above is obviously just my opinion. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 6 22:10:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA21949 for kats-ll; Wed, 6 Sep 1995 21:52:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:53:52 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199509070153.SAA06239@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: Figures seen in NYC... Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net **Forwarded from alt.tv.swatkats more or less as a followup to Ian Lynn's post. "DJ Clawson" is the fan-club president for Kats on "Prodigy" ** Dj Clawson (XXRJ13C@prodigy.com) wrote: : Yeah, I know they SUCK! For some stupid reason, I went and bought them : all at my Toys 'R' Us and they look worse out of the box! What happened : to Razor's uniform? It's purple and green! Dark Kat looks like a wombat : without his cape and mask on (which keeps falling off anyway). Dr. Viper : seems to have mutated himself or something--where'd his lab coat go? : Chance is pretty much the only one who looks halfway like something from : the show. And those neon colors on everyone . . . Jeez, I have one BIG : painting job ahead of me! You do that too, huh? Yes, the figures bite. There's a good reason though. The toys went through a number of revisions, and the Tremblay Bros still weren't satisfied. The problem was that the toy company came up with stuff that was actually worse, but by the time it went from H-B to Toy Company to Tremblays and back again, Executive Producer Buzz Potemkin rubber stamped the revision (the toys current form) just to "get them out of my hair" or similar. He may have been under pressure to get the marketing going, but any one of us (or any other ac-figure marketing person for that matter) could've told him that unless they look as they do in the show, they won't sell (look at which TMNT figures are sold out at TRU, and which ones they have many leftovers of - not hard to see what's what, huh?). Tremblays wanted the figures to be more detailed than the average ac/adv action figures, but didn't take into account the need to simplify the designs for the production line. What was intended to more or less duplicate the version of the Kat-guys seen on the outside of the Video Packages kind of didn't make it through the translation process to plastic. Stuff happens -- blame Buzz. (Hey Doc K! I remembered to delete the sigs this time!) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Sep 7 21:42:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11833 for kats-ll; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:32:58 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11823; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:32:47 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA13190; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:32:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:32:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net, sonic@sard.mv.net Subject: important note about rat.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On October 1st, I'll be removing all the domains that point to rat.org. The following will be invalid: hff.rat.org ftp.hff.rat.org www.hff.rat.org pumadyne.rat.org ftp.pumadyne.rat.org www.pumadyne.rat.org ftp.rat.org www.rat.org Just use plain old "rat.org" Thanks. I woudl recommend start doing this now, so you won't have to remember later. I just picked October 1st as a date that is far enough away that people will have time to update their stuff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Sep 7 22:42:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA12590 for kats-ll; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:20:17 -0400 Received: from interramp.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA12584 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:20:14 -0400 From: us010700@interramp.com Received: from us010700 by interramp.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id WAA29360; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:20:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199509080220.WAA29360@interramp.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:19:14 +0000 Subject: Swat Kats Cancelled... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I just found some info that Gargoyles might be cancelled because of personal changes in the Disney Tv Studios. What does this have to do with Swat Kats? Around the second season they decided to cancell Swat Kats becasue of lack of advertising. The real reason is they were to stupid to try and hype the show and they got lazy and cancelled it. For those of you who are fans of Gargoyles, the same fate could happen to the show as Swat Kats. Sincerely, Matthew Milam _________________________________________________________ I am a man who belives that sexual fantasies are okay..as long as you come back to reality. Matthew From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Sep 7 23:23:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA13237 for kats-ll; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:54:27 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA13232 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:54:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA10750; Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:56:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Swat Kats Cancelled... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199509080220.WAA29360@interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Thu, 7 Sep 1995 us010700@interramp.com wrote: > I just found some info that Gargoyles might be cancelled because of > personal changes in the Disney Tv Studios. > > What does this have to do with Swat Kats? Not enough for a post to the mailing list, I'm afraid. There's a "Gargoyles" mailing list - this post belongs there, and so do the followups. Other news, I've sent an e-mail to someone I still talk to at H-B (and man, is the list getting short) concerning the in-house rumour mill and this potential Time-Warner takeover of H-B. Next, the videos have been advertised in Canadian K-Marts nationwide - but do you think I can find them? Not a chance. For those of you looking in the US K-Marts, be advised that "an independent company stocks the shelves for us, so we don't have any control which videos go to which stores". K-Mart: always helpful, never informative. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Sep 8 12:13:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA22071 for kats-ll; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:08:37 -0400 Received: from dialup.oar.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA22065 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:08:32 -0400 Received: from sv1.gentire.com for lynn@gentire.com by dialup.oar.net (8.6.10/931123.1402) id MAA27621; Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:06:48 -0400 Received: from sv6.gentire.com by sv1.gentire.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02967; Fri, 8 Sep 95 11:07:39 CDT Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 11:07:39 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9509081607.AA02967@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Response from ToonNet... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, they finally got back to me. here's what they had to say...as a refresher I will post my letter to them following theirs. I'm not sure if this means I'm getting pawned off to someone else or what, but since the second season has begun airing, I have already gotten my answer. I am just anxious to wonder how high I can move up in the chain of command at TCN t oget such a simple question answered. Anyhow here we go.... ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From ToonNet@aol.com Fri Sep 8 10:55:04 1995 Return-Path: From: ToonNet@aol.com To: lynn@gentire.com Subject: Re: Swatkats-showing complete run? Content-Length: 236 X-Lines: 7 Dear Ian: I've forwarded your letter to our programming department. I believe that they try to air most of the episodes in order, but as you know, the series was never completed. You may have watched all that we have. Cartoon Network ----- End Included Message ----- ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From lynn@sv1 Fri Aug 25 08:32:06 1995 Return-Path: From: lynn@sv1 (Ian Lynn) To: toonnet@aol.com Subject: Swatkats-showing complete run? Cc: lynn@gentire.com Content-Length: 720 X-Lines: 17 To whom it may concern: I was curious as to whether you plan on showing a complete run of the wonderful show, SwatKats. I thought you were well on your way to accomplishing this feat, until you (the channel) re-ran Ep. 1 (The Giant Bacteria) last night (Thurs. Aug. 24). Was there a problem with the scheduled episode, or have you chosen to skip a few of the least popular episodes? I ask this information, because I set up my VCR to tape the episodes, and would like to know if I've taped all episodes that you will be showing. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Ian Lynn (E-mail address: lynn@gentire.com) ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Sep 9 18:43:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA12383 for kats-ll; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:19:38 -0400 Received: from earth.naug.org by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA12378 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:19:35 -0400 Received: by earth.naug.org (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0srYAh-000B1zC; Sat, 9 Sep 95 18:14 EDT Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN SuperChunk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Can someone please tell me what episodes were on the SuperChunk today? I caught it at 5:30PM during Razor's Edge... What was before that? /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Sep 10 19:43:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA26006 for kats-ll; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:10:39 -0400 Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA26000 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:10:36 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-4 #10880) id <01HV4EDQTRG096W4YR@delphi.com> for kats@sard.mv.net; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:10:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: The Toys... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HV4EDQU13696W4YR@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 06 Sep 1995, lynn@gentire.com wrote: >I was not at all impressed with the job Remco and/or the >designers did on these toys. Ya know, I wasn't entirely impressed with the 2 figures I saw either (TB & R). However, I did pick them up anyway. I've finally gotten something that I can hold in my hands. Besides, we can't let Turner prove us all wrong when he said "the show was cancelled because of the lack of sales of merchandise". I wouldn't be suprised if Ted had Buzz "rubber-stamp" the figures through so that Turner wouldn't look bad from the reasons he gave. Put out an action figure that looks pretty bad, no one will buy it, and Ted's prophecy comes true! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Sep 10 21:41:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA27384 for kats-ll; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:39:19 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA27379 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:39:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA25867; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:41:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 18:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: The Toys... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HV4EDQU13696W4YR@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Ya know, I wasn't entirely impressed with the 2 figures I saw > either (TB & R). However, I did pick them up anyway. I've > finally gotten something that I can hold in my hands. Besides, > we can't let Turner prove us all wrong when he said "the show > was cancelled because of the lack of sales of merchandise". I > wouldn't be suprised if Ted had Buzz "rubber-stamp" the figures > through so that Turner wouldn't look bad from the reasons he > gave. Put out an action figure that looks pretty bad, no one > will buy it, and Ted's prophecy comes true! Yup. Exactly. I'm going to buy everything I see with Kats on it just to send a clear message to Teddy Bear that he fouled up large. The toys were approved because no one cared at that point in time; end of story. I found the SNES/Hudson Soft game in Vancouver (well, Surrey actually) "Toys 'R' Us" for 74.99 Canadian (about what, 2.50 American?). They'd evidently sold rather a few, so _someone_ out there is watching! Other news: I have B&W scanning facilities now, so I'll do some stuff and send it to rat for the FTP site. I'll soon have SLIP as well so I can finally check out the Web Page and the TCN site. (So, the twentieth century arrived a bit late here - sue me). Anyone working on fanfic? E-me. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Sep 11 18:10:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA07766 for kats-ll; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:45:48 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA07761 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:45:46 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA05520; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:45:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: nasty new pics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net hmmm.. grr... umm... ahem. gee, I almost don't want to advertise this, but here goes. (I didn't draw em, so don't blame me!) ftp://rat.org/pub/kats/images/perv/katsex1.gif Razor/Callie/Tbone in a 3-way ftp://rat.org/pub/kats/images/perv/katsex2.gif Razor and Tbone being homo. This one is pretty gross. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Sep 11 20:09:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA09506 for kats-ll; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:06:29 -0400 Received: from interramp.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA09501 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:06:26 -0400 Received: from us010700 by interramp.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id UAA21774; Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:06:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199509120006.UAA21774@interramp.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:05:37 +0000 Subject: Anything new? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Anything new happen yet? _________________________________________________________ Cartoons were created so when can live. Politicans were created so we can exist. Matthew Matthew From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 12 20:40:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA28208 for kats-ll; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:28:39 -0400 Received: from fsac5.pica.army.mil by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA28202 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:28:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 20:28:33 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Swat Kats Cancelled... Message-ID: <9509122028.aa02889@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Next, the videos have been advertised in Canadian K-Marts nationwide - >but do you think I can find them? Not a chance. For those of you looking >in the US K-Marts, be advised that "an independent company stocks the >shelves for us, so we don't have any control which videos go to which >stores". Speaking of videos, I finally got around to picking up my copies at the Suncoast where I had ordered them a month ago. This worked out exceedingly well, as I happened to visit the Suncoast during their annual LD sale! When I'll actually see the Kats videos is another story. I also noticed their absence in TV GUIDE. TBS was no surprise, but they're also not appearing on WPIX either. Time to harangue the cable company for TCN again :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil Oculi numquam nictarantes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 12 21:22:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28733 for kats-ll; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:03:32 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28728 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:03:29 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA03473 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:03:26 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id UAA29381; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:00:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:00:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@sard.mv.net Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Newbie here In-Reply-To: <9509122028.aa02889@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hello, I admit I am a sucker and I am new. I have seen and heard about Swat Kats for a few months, but as I usually do in fear of becoming adicted, I avoided it. Last weekend I could stand it no more and I rented the three videos and sat down for a Swat Kats film fest. And here I am.. So! Who wants to fill me in on everything I've missed for the past year and a half two years? I feel like a fool and I hope I haven't stumbled upon a secret sect of Swat Kat fans. If I have can I join??? Just curious, about how many people are here? A new die hard fan Niki From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 12 21:47:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28990 for kats-ll; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:29:44 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA28983 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:29:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA17928; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:33:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Anything new? (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net If you can wade through all the double-forwards, here's my editorial comment on "animation for kids". It's on-topic as it would appear that everyone else is going full ahead with their prime-timish animated scheduling (okay, so 4:30 isn't _really_ primetime) for ac/adv, but Turner just doesn't get it. BTW, Warners friend thinks that the TWC deal is all but sealed - that's why the complete lack of press! If it goes through, you can bet I'll put a word in the ear of a few animation people to gas up the Turbokat again...with the combined outlets of TBS/TNT/TCN/WBN there will be MANY programming holes to fill - can't think of a better plug than the Kat-guys! _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:17:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: Re: Anything new? (fwd) You should have sent this to the list. I'm sure others might want to comment. And don't meantion Pinky and the Brain!! No stations that we get carry it. I feel so left out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance To: Ratman Subject: Re: Anything new? On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Ratman wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Chance wrote: > > > I'm glad that at least ONE ac/adv show I like will be around for awhile. > > It would be interesting if it suceeded since it was geared a bit towards > adults. I don't see how a little kid would understand about how a person > would go blind in "nam". > It would seem to be that adults have more money than kids, so why not aim > at the adults? Hollywood is a very large and very slow beast. "The Flintstones" proved that cartoons could be done in prime-time and be popular, but everyone seemed to have forgotten that for years until Matt Groening gave us "The Simpsons" bits during the defunct "Tracy Ullman Show". Most companies now realize that targeting animation strictly at kids for afternoon and Sat-AM stuff will relegate the licensing efforts to ".99 cent" bit at K-Mart - right beside "Captain Planet" and "Bucky O'Hare" offerings. The money people are starting to wise-up. Warners Bros. new network launched on the weekend with a prime-time lineup of animation in many market - with "Pinky and the Brain" etc. Hanna-Barbera was quite surprised at the "older" nature of the viewership for Kats, and the "Jonny" revival will reflect this "shift" in the audience age from strictly the 6-11's. Disney smartened up with "Gargoyles", but only because Warners did it first with BTAS - also airing in an evening block during its premiere, and successful for EXACTLY the same reasons that "Gargoyles" is winning friends now. All we have to do from the fan perspective is make sure these folks know that this kind of respect for the older audience should become the rule, and not the exception. (Gotta stop these three page responses to three sentence posts...) _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Sep 12 22:14:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA29324 for kats-ll; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:52:17 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA29315 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:52:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA20172; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:55:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Newbie here To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse wrote: > year and a half two years? I feel like a fool and I hope I haven't > stumbled upon a secret sect of Swat Kat fans. If I have can I join??? > Just curious, about how many people are here? Hi Niki...there's about 50-odd (and some of us are _very_ odd) on the mailing list, and there's a bunch of lurkers about the newsgroup too. We have a Web/FTP site with SwatKats pics, fanfic, unused Hanna-Barbera script premises (soon to be the actual scripts, BTW) and a bunch of other stuff. One of us is putting out a fanzine shortly and is looking for submissions - Tim Fay (fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu). As far as a recap of stuff goes - here's where we're at. Kats was canned by Turner (who owns Hanna-Barbera) halfway through the second season of 13 eps, ostensibly because "people weren't buying enough merchandise". Well, as there wasn't any merchandise aside from some Taiwanese Trinkets and "Happy-Meal" style giveaways, this reason didn't hold water with anyone associated with the project, the viewers, or the creators; Christian and Yvon Tremblay. Many of the staff (including most of the background artists and high-profile members of the design team) were immediately sacked - fuelling rumours of a sudden fascination with H-B's budget, and questions about the future of Hanna-Barbera. There was also speculation (after some public comments by Ted Turner on H-B and the Cartoon Network in general) that the program may've been killed because of the violence aspect. In Oct/Nov last year, many of the H-B staffers lobbied to save the program, but were more or less told to live with it, and move on to the "World Premiere Toons". Many of them aren't happy, and were well on their way to any Emmy with the Kats and knew it. Some of us began talking to the Tremblay Bros and others associated with the program, and tried to coordinate a letter campaign of sorts to let Turner Entertainment know they F***ed up. Seems that they know, but don't want to do anything about it (phone calls are now being ignored on both the fan and creator level by Fred Seibert and his Creep-( er.."under-") lings. We were kind of hoping that with the release of the Home Videos, Action Figures and SNES game that the fans' collective voice would be heard at TPS through sales of the Kats stuff; the problem is that there has been little or no advertising, and many people in various parts of the country can't find the stuff. Through a Keystone-Kops comedy of errors, the Toys came out very badly done, and this will affect sales despite fan interest in (good) Kats ac-figures. Sad, really. Now Hanna-Barbera and much of the Turner empire is in kind of a parking-orbit awaiting the outcome of a takeover bid by Time-Warner. I'm hoping that TWC (which owns Warner Bros. Animation among others) keeps the same level of smarts they've had with their own programming, and extends it to a revival of the Kats. We're all in "hope" mode at the moment - I've heard very little. Last, it looks like the only place you can watch the kats now is either Home-video or the Cartoon Network - much of the syndicated market appears to have dried up in favour of new-season offerings from elsewhere. Clueless..every week creates another regular Kats viewer, and every week we get further from any kind of action from H-B. BTW to everyone - I scanned in some Kats model sheets (Razor and T-Bone, "SwatKats" poster-style logo) and Rat has put them up on the site. There will be some more as soon as my new hardware settles in. Later. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 00:19:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA00931 for kats-ll; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:40:24 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA00926 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:40:20 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA07219 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:40:18 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id WAA00613; Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:37:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:37:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@sard.mv.net Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Newbie here In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Thanks Chance for the info. Geez this sounds comlicated but also like the story of my life. Maybe it will happen if enough people show intrest. I know..not likely, but perhaps some of the people who worked on it will try and find a way to continue it on their own. (I know I know get real but I can dream can't I?) I know let's all go on Gyp-Parody and win all the money we'd need and and and....yeah, that's it, take over the world and transform everyone into kats... *Here's Hopin'* Niki B-House current member of the swat kats, gargoyles, ranger, and dar williams mailing lists. GEEZ this is a lot of mail!!!! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 03:12:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA02751 for kats-ll; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:56:07 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA02746 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:56:03 -0400 Received: from fermat.math.hawaii.edu by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA14373; Tue, 12 Sep 95 20:55:52 HST Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 20:55:52 HST Message-Id: <9509130655.AA14373@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: Jonathan Higa Subject: locating. Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Somebody mentioned a web page? Please please please tell me where. (drool) Videos? Where'd you find those? I dunno if anyone can find stuff in Hawaii, but I'd love to hear suggestions. Thanks in advance! -- Jonathan Higa (higa@math.hawaii.edu) list memberships: gargoyles, sonic, swatkats, turtles, and whatever else you suggest! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 08:41:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04929 for kats-ll; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:28:15 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04924 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:28:12 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA13818; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:28:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: locating. In-Reply-To: <9509130655.AA14373@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Jonathan Higa wrote: > Somebody mentioned a web page? Please please please tell me where. (drool) http://rat.org/kats/ It just has links to other pages. Every one that I know of. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 11:53:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA07539 for kats-ll; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:21:43 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA07534 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:21:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA25573; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:25:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: locating. To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9509130655.AA14373@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Jonathan Higa wrote: > Somebody mentioned a web page? Please please please tell me where. (drool) We should repost the FAQ. It'd be a plan (so long as _someone_ added the FTP info to it!). > Videos? Where'd you find those? I dunno if anyone can find stuff in > Hawaii, but I'd love to hear suggestions. Suncoast Motion Picture Co (Suncoast Video in some markets) either has them in stock (three titles: Metallikats Attack, Strike of Dark Kat, Deadly Dr. Viper) or can order them. K-Mart in Canada also has them (well, in the flyers at least) and may begin stocking them in CONUS and Havaii. Action Figures are in Toys R Us and K-Mart - supposedly coming to Target. SNES game has been spotted in Canadian TRU's, but I haven't seen any posts regarding availability in the states yet. Posters are available in: your dreams. They're all gone. I think the FTP site (rat.org) has toy pics and the package art for the vids. > -- > Jonathan Higa (higa@math.hawaii.edu) > list memberships: gargoyles, sonic, swatkats, turtles, and whatever else you > suggest! Umm...how about the "World Premiere Toons" mailing list. It's somewhat lonely at the moment, but it IS rather funny listening to Ted Turner deluding himself. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 19:13:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA13907 for kats-ll; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:07:04 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA13902 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:07:01 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA15097 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:06:57 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id SAA24347; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:04:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:04:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@sard.mv.net Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: *Ahem* In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net So.....are there any reruns going on anywhere?? At all?? I have only seen the ones on video (6 out of the ummm 23 was it?) and I REALLY want to see more. I will even go and get cable and any neccessary attatchments (I was going to anyway, I just haven't had time since I got here.) I am in the Dallas area if anyone else is aware of any showings. BTW- great stories on the page. They were great, esp yours Andy Hill (Chance I gather?) What a great evening of entertainment, well not a whole evening but considering the time when I finally got them printed... Very well done and may I be so bold as to ask if there are any more? I just loved it! "Books are lighthouses erected in the dark sea of time." -Gargoyles Niki From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 20:10:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14313 for kats-ll; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:47:15 -0400 Received: from fsac5.pica.army.mil by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14307 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:47:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 19:41:14 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* Message-ID: <9509131941.aa00430@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >So.....are there any reruns going on anywhere?? At all?? I have only >seen the ones on video (6 out of the ummm 23 was it?) and I REALLY want >to see more. I will even go and get cable and any neccessary >attatchments (I was going to anyway, I just haven't had time since I got >here.) I am in the Dallas area if anyone else is aware of any showings. It's not on TBS any more, nor is it on WPIX, an independent station in NYC that used to show it. The only remaining option is The Cartoon Network. Unfortunately my cable company doesn't choose to carry that :( Ed One of the very odd people that Chance alluded to :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil Oculi numquam nictarantes From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 21:44:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA15684 for kats-ll; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:18:24 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA15679 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:18:21 -0400 Received: from teleport.com (ip-pdx07-48.teleport.com [204.119.62.176]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA27134 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:03:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199509140103.SAA27134@desiree.teleport.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: nasty new pics In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:45:45 EDT. Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:01:29 -0700 From: Felix Lee Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net heh. saw these pictures a month or so ago, wondered if I should mention them to this list, but forgot before I decided. they're done by Biohazard, who does very good work. (wonder if the Moral Majority would call these pictures 'bestiality'..) > Razor and Tbone being homo. This one is pretty gross. looks fine to me :) though probably should add a "you must be over 18" warning. or is it 21? (silly little matter of US laws..) -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Sep 13 23:52:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17589 for kats-ll; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:32:10 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA17584 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 1995 23:32:06 -0400 Received: from fermat.math.hawaii.edu by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA22795; Wed, 13 Sep 95 17:31:20 HST Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 17:31:20 HST Message-Id: <9509140331.AA22795@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: erudnick@pica.army.mil From: Jonathan Higa Subject: Latin Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Oculi numquam nictarantes What does 'nictare' mean? Thanks, -- Jon (higa@math.hawaii.edu) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Sep 14 01:01:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA18128 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:31:09 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA18121 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:31:07 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA02121; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:31:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: nasty new pics In-Reply-To: <199509140103.SAA27134@desiree.teleport.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Felix Lee wrote: > heh. saw these pictures a month or so ago, wondered if I should > mention them to this list, but forgot before I decided. they're done > by Biohazard, who does very good work. (wonder if the Moral Majority > would call these pictures 'bestiality'..) Just to clear things up, I have sort of regretted advertising that to the list. So far the list has been good clean kat fun, and this is adding a bit of smut to it. > though probably should add a "you must be over 18" warning. or is it > 21? (silly little matter of US laws..) Who cares? Like it's going to stop anyone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Sep 14 02:14:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA18877 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:40:40 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA18872 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:40:36 -0400 Received: from fermat.math.hawaii.edu by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA23057; Wed, 13 Sep 95 19:40:28 HST Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 19:40:28 HST Message-Id: <9509140540.AA23057@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: Jonathan Higa Subject: apology Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I hate reply-all mode. Obviously that was NOT supposed to go to the list! ObKats: I'm another one of the helpless few without TCN. So, just in idle curiosity, I'll ask, do you get five eps a week? If so, you start to recycle after a month, don't you? -- Jon (higa@math.hawaii.edu) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Sep 14 05:22:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA20246 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:44:12 -0400 Received: from cisk by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA20240 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:44:08 -0400 Received: by cisk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16643; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:44:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9509140844.AA16643@cisk> Subject: Re: kats V1 #7 To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 1:44:05 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 2687 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Andy: We should repost the FAQ. It'd be a plan (so long as _someone_ added the FTP info to it!). Eef. As FAQ maintainer, I've been rather slack in my duties as far as updating the information in it. But I promise I'll get to it as soon as I can, either right after I send out this message or by the end of the week. I'll post the FAQ as soon as I can. Suncoast Motion Picture Co (Suncoast Video in some markets) either has them in stock (three titles: Metallikats Attack, Strike of Dark Kat, Deadly Dr. Viper) or can order them. There's a Suncoast Video in the Westside Pavilion, roughly 20-30 minutes from where I live. If anyone wants a video from there, let me know. (I'm pretty sure Suncoast must also have an 800 number that you can call to order this kind of stuff, but I don't have it with me offhand.) I think the FTP site (rat.org) has toy pics and the package art for the vids. Paul (aka Ratman) has reminded me that the actual FTP site name is 'rat.org' and NOT 'pumadyne.rat.org' (pumadyne is an alias that will presently be deleted). I'll update the FAQ accordingly. Some information in the FAQ is also outdated (like the SK run on TBS, which is apparently already done; and the TCN run, which will probably be coming to an end very soon), so I'll be removing it. > Razor and Tbone being homo. This one is pretty gross. Felix: looks fine to me :) Depends on whether you're into that kind of stuff. My reaction when I first saw the pix? "Umm, interesting." Feel free to interpet that any way you like. ;-) Paul: Just to clear things up, I have sort of regretted advertising [the X-rated SK pics] to the list. So far the list has been good clean kat fun, and this is adding a bit of smut to it. Heh. Well, I've seen similar (tho prolly not as bad) stuff done on the Disney Afternoon mailing list. Imagine Gadget in a dominatrix outfit, for example, and, well... I think you get the rest of the story. But I digress. Back to Kat stuff... Jon: I'm another one of the helpless few without TCN. So, just in idle curiosity, I'll ask, do you get five eps a week? If so, you start to recycle after a month, don't you? If I remember correctly, TCN will be carrying the Kats episodes for about five weeks total (meaning that its run on that station is, I believe, almost up). Given that a Garfield marathon on Labor Day preempted the Kats, that gives exactly 24 episodes... so each episode should be aired once, including the "SK IQ" episode. BTW, does anyone know what episode aired last Friday? If it was "The Dark Side of the SWAT Kats," I'm gonna cough up a furball! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Sep 14 06:41:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA20824 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:13:05 -0400 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA20817 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 06:12:24 -0400 Received: from sununx.iscs.nus.sg (leetwail) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA26395 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for kats@sard.mv.net); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:11:30 +0800 Received: (from leetwail@localhost) by sununx.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA01811; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:11:28 +0800 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:11:27 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@sard.mv.net Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: nasty new pics In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Ratman wrote: > On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Felix Lee wrote: > > > though probably should add a "you must be over 18" warning. or is it > > 21? (silly little matter of US laws..) > > Who cares? Like it's going to stop anyone. True, I'm certainly a minor (and from a country which more than frowns on such material) and I've seen the pics (UGH :P) For what it's worth, I really think they should be taken off altogether ... Somehow "gratuitous" barely begins to describe it, and if you advertise it, you're just attracting curious young people like myself. If for no other reason, it IS in bad taste and in no way adds to the ftp site (it's stuff like that which lends credibility to that recent Time article on Cyberporn) -The Kat curiosity just killed. From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 14 14:23:52 1995 Received: from bort.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA26648 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:23:51 -0400 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA11802 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:17:06 -0400 Received: from sard.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA11797 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:17:04 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA26598 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:19:09 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA15282; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:19:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: kats list moved Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net ok, I have moved the kats list to a new server. If anybody has any problems, let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 14 14:25:55 1995 Received: from bort.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA26670 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:25:55 -0400 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA11802 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:17:06 -0400 Received: from sard.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA11797 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:17:04 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA26598 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:19:09 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA15282; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:19:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: kats list moved Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net ok, I have moved the kats list to a new server. If anybody has any problems, let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 14 20:22:28 1995 Received: from bort.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA02964 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:22:28 -0400 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12239 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:13:36 -0400 Received: from sard.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12234 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:13:34 -0400 Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA02799 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:15:40 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-4 #10880) id <01HVA1SU5BK69BXPW3@delphi.com> for kats@sard.mv.net; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:15:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: kats V1 #7 To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HVA1SU5BK89BXPW3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >BTW, does anyone know what episode aired last Friday? If it >was "The Dark Side of the SWAT Kats," I'm gonna cough up a >furball! Actually, it aired today (9/14) on TCN... -Matt From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 14 20:25:23 1995 Received: from bort.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA03007 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:25:22 -0400 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12231 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:09:43 -0400 Received: from sard.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12226 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:09:41 -0400 Received: from bos1f.delphi.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA02741 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:11:47 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-4 #10880) id <01HVA1NX7K7K9BXPW3@delphi.com> for kats@sard.mv.net; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: *Ahem* To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HVA1NX7TV69BXPW3@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Nicole wrote: >So.....are there any reruns going on anywhere?? At all?? I have only >seen the ones on video (6 out of the ummm 23 was it?) and I REALLY want >to see more. I will even go and get cable and any neccessary >attatchments (I was going to anyway, I just haven't had time since I got >here.) I am in the Dallas area if anyone else is aware of any showings. Ed wrote: >It's not on TBS any more, nor is it on WPIX, an independent >station in NYC that used to show it. The only remaining >option is The Cartoon Network. Unfortunately my cable company >doesn't choose to carry that :( If you *really* want to spend some money, and your cable company doesn't carry TCN, the best thing to do is to get an RCA DSS (Digital Satellite System). With the basic package you get TCN and about any other channel you can think of. It is also broadcast IN STEREO! And the picture is better than anything else you can receive on your TV. Believe me, I've seen demos and we have one at work -- it's fantastic! I'd get one myself if it wasn't so expensive (about $900 for the hardware & $40/month for programming). *sales mode off* -Matt From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 14 20:45:25 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12383 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:41:21 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA12378 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:41:19 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA11844 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:43:24 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id TAA02816; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:40:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:40:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* In-Reply-To: <01HVA1NX7TV69BXPW3@delphi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Yikes! $900 to see the Swat Kats? Even I have to draw the line somewhere... How about this, if TCN isn't even going to be showing it much longer, and I got the feeling that it wasn't, then how about tapes/ how about it, anyone have them recorded for the *bless them* vcr? Yes, I would pay for the expenses and all that so don't worry, I am not a user. It just seems that that would be cheaper than buying a satellite *grin*. Anybody? Anybody? "Humans love a battle hearty, So does Puck, come on let's party!"- Puck-Gargoyles From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 14 21:45:15 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12437 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:27:18 -0400 Received: from bos1f.delphi.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA12432 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:27:16 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-4 #10880) id <01HVA4E31T9S9BXNIG@delphi.com> for kats@bort.mv.net; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 21:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: ESP?? To: kats@bort.mv.net Message-id: <01HVA4E322XE9BXNIG@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@bort.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Recently, I've been trying to write down all my dreams as soon as I wake up. A few nights ago, I had a dream that might be interesting to you. Let's find out if I have ESP, shall we? The text below is word-for-word what I wrote down at 4am: Dreamt I was watching TV -- I think it was "Entertainment Tonight" or something. A story came on about SK:TRS. They were showing footage of a new episode -- it looked like it was an outside scene with sandy, desert conditions & very bright (?). I think I saw Dr. Sinian pointing at something. I couldn't make out the dialog because the E.T. voice over was saying that this cult favorite hit has been renewed by Turner Broadcasting. I can't remember the reasons they gave -- just something about re-evaluating its popularity to make the decision. E.T. then went on the talk about the shows' huge following of fans. They mentioned something about the online groups & how they'd been following them (?). The video was still playing & I could see "cuts" between scenes with Razor & T-Bone in the jet, etc. It looked like they had a new opening sequence, I can't remeber much about it. Then it cut back the the E.T. guy & he said that SK:TRS airs on TCN at 5:30 Monday through Friday. Now back to reality... I think I meant that E.T. had been lurking around places like this when I said "online groups & ...following them" Thoughts? -Matt From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 14 22:45:12 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA12498 for kats-ll; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:40:14 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA12493 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 22:40:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA10891; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:47:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 19:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: ESP?? To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HVA4E322XE9BXNIG@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Dreamt I was watching TV -- I think it was "Entertainment I usually dream I'm watching _good_ TV, but I always wake up to "Fox". > Tonight" or something. A story came on about SK:TRS. They were > showing footage of a new episode -- it looked like it was an > outside scene with sandy, desert conditions & very bright (?). > I think I saw Dr. Sinian pointing at something. I couldn't make > out the dialog because the E.T. voice over was saying that this > cult favorite hit has been renewed by Turner Broadcasting. I > can't remember the reasons they gave -- just something about > re-evaluating its popularity to make the decision. E.T. then > Thoughts? > -Matt Cool. I hope it's presience rather than R.E.M., but I dunno. Warner's friend says watch for an announcement about Time-Warner taking over Turner (or going in partnership - he doesn't know) either sometime on the weekend or Monday. I think this could REALLY be good for SwatKats fans - I'll finally have some of the _right_ ears listening to my cancellation whining, and maybe something along the lines of Matt's dream could come about. (Damn. Someone pinched me...NOW I'm awake..) _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 04:47:26 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA13008 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:42:46 -0400 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA13003 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:35:38 -0400 Received: from sununx.iscs.nus.sg (leetwail) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA06570 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for kats@bort.mv.net); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:24:14 +0800 Received: (from leetwail@localhost) by sununx.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA10603; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:24:11 +0800 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:24:10 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse wrote: > Yikes! $900 to see the Swat Kats? Even I have to draw the line somewhere... > How about this, if TCN isn't even going to be showing it much longer, and > I got the feeling that it wasn't, then how about tapes/ how about it, > anyone have them recorded for the *bless them* vcr? Yes, I would pay for > the expenses and all that so don't worry, I am not a user. It just seems > that that would be cheaper than buying a satellite *grin*. > > Anybody? Anybody? I've got quite a few episodes on tape ... All of the first season except Enter the MadKat and Katastrophe (which, incidentally, I have yet to watch myself. Any other kind souls out there? *beg*,*grovel*,*plead*) But then I live on the other side of the planet (quite literally) so postage may be a problem ... -Simon Leet :) (leetwail@iscs.nus.sg) From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 10:58:47 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA13255 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:26:37 -0400 Received: from fsac5.pica.army.mil by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA13250 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:26:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 10:28:07 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* Message-ID: <9509151028.aa03482@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >If you *really* want to spend some money, and your cable company >doesn't carry TCN, the best thing to do is to get an RCA DSS >(Digital Satellite System). With the basic package you get TCN >and about any other channel you can think of. It is also >broadcast IN STEREO! And the picture is better than anything >else you can receive on your TV. Believe me, I've seen demos >and we have one at work -- it's fantastic! I'd get one myself >if it wasn't so expensive (about $900 for the hardware & >$40/month for programming). Well believe it or not there is nowhere on my property I can site the dish - too many @#$%^&&* trees on the south side. Tall ones too. I'd still need cable for local channels. Most of all, I like my video artifact-free, and MPEG1 compressed DSS does not cut it. Besides, I like to watch TV when it rains, too :) For $900 I'd rather buy a pile of LDs and get an even better picture :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil Oculi numquam nictarantes From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 11:48:43 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA13283 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:22:11 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA13278 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:22:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA06055; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:25:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 08:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: *Ahem* To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9509151028.aa03482@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > >if it wasn't so expensive (about $900 for the hardware & > >$40/month for programming). > > Well believe it or not there is nowhere on my property I can site > the dish - too many @#$%^&&* trees on the south side. Tall ones too. > I'd still need cable for local channels. Yes folks, you need a 36 degree unbostructed view of the Southwestern sky here, and nature insists on putting trees in the way! Those of us bereft of both Swatkats (TCN) and the Warner Bros. Network could kill two birds with the little dish though...cut down a tree or two. > Most of all, I like my video artifact-free, and MPEG1 compressed DSS > does not cut it. Besides, I like to watch TV when it rains, too :) Yeah, but the current stuff is MPEG-2 and the artifact problems inherent in the "1" scheme are reduced to insignificance (unless you were dumb enough to buy a Sony setup, in which case you're treated to MTV freeze-frame in a startling variety of colours). > For $900 I'd rather buy a pile of LDs and get an even better picture No Swatkats on Laser-disc however...else it'd be an investment. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 12:56:22 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA13337 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:16:37 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA13332 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:16:35 -0400 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Fri, 15 Sep 95 11:17:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3059a70b4961002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 11:17:15 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* Content-Length: 1019 Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse wrote: >> How about this, if TCN isn't even going to be showing it much longer, and >> I got the feeling that it wasn't, then how about tapes/ how about it, >> anyone have them recorded for the *bless them* vcr? Yes, I would pay for >> the expenses and all that so don't worry, I am not a user. It just seems >> that that would be cheaper than buying a satellite *grin*. Simon Leet wrote: >I've got quite a few episodes on tape ... All of the first season except >Enter the MadKat and Katastrophe (which, incidentally, I have yet to >watch myself. Any other kind souls out there? *beg*,*grovel*,*plead*) I have "Destructive Nature," "Katastrophe" and (I think) "Mutation City." I can also get my hands on most of the rest of the first season. I'm looking for copies of "Cry Turmoil" and "SK-IQ". Oh, and if anyone talks to Mark Lungo, send him my apologies and tell him I'll try to call him as soon as I can. -Timothy Fay fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 17:48:48 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA13641 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:33:40 -0400 Received: from earth.naug.org by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA13636 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:33:36 -0400 Received: by earth.naug.org (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0stiKp-000B2JC; Fri, 15 Sep 95 17:30 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: TCN Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Well, probably like everyone else, I am _NOT_ happy with The Cartoon Network. They had to screw with the order and play Cry Turmoil over again... :/ I can't take this! /mad From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 18:18:10 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA13671 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:59:00 -0400 Received: from matrix.eden.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA13666 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:58:58 -0400 Received: from net-1-185.eden.com (net-1-185.eden.com [199.171.21.185]) by matrix.eden.com (8.6.12/8.6.12.1) with SMTP id RAA13851 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:00:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:00:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199509152200.RAA13851@matrix.eden.com> X-Sender: kaychang@eden.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: kaychang@eden.com (Kay Chang) Subject: Re: TCN X-Mailer: Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >Well, probably like everyone else, I am _NOT_ happy with The Cartoon >Network. They had to screw with the order and play Cry Turmoil over >again... :/ I can't take this! > >/mad 'scuse me, but I certainly don't remember that, or I would've gotten it on tape before today! From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 18:25:09 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA13734 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:17:21 -0400 Received: from fsac5.pica.army.mil by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA13728 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:17:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 18:11:49 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN Message-ID: <9509151811.aa04643@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >Well, probably like everyone else, I am _NOT_ happy with The Cartoon >Network. They had to screw with the order and play Cry Turmoil over >again... :/ I can't take this! Gee, I wish I _had_ TCN..... :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil Oculi numquam nictarantes From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Fri Sep 15 23:17:41 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA15165 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:57:35 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA15160 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:57:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA10009; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:01:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: TCN To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, White Trash (SK) wrote: > Well, probably like everyone else, I am _NOT_ happy with The Cartoon > Network. They had to screw with the order and play Cry Turmoil over > again... :/ I can't take this! "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more!" (Peter Finch, "Network") There's a great outlet for rage about the problems TCN has..it's called: "toonnet@aol.com" They answer your stuff if you aren't infamous. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 00:18:31 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA15204 for kats-ll; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:55:55 -0400 Received: from earth.naug.org by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA15199 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:55:52 -0400 Received: by earth.naug.org (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0stoIa-000B2JC; Fri, 15 Sep 95 23:52 EDT Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:52:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN In-Reply-To: <199509152200.RAA13851@matrix.eden.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Kay Chang wrote: > >Well, probably like everyone else, I am _NOT_ happy with The Cartoon > >Network. They had to screw with the order and play Cry Turmoil over > >again... :/ I can't take this! > > > >/mad > 'scuse me, but I certainly don't remember that, or I would've gotten it on tape > before today! Yep, I apologize. :) I had "Cry Turmoil" and "SWAT Kats Unplugged" from a few weeks ago on TBS. From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 04:17:31 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA15703 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 03:47:45 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA15698 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 03:47:43 -0400 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sat, 16 Sep 95 02:49:17 -0500 Message-Id: <305a817d3e1e002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 02:49:17 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN Content-Length: 365 Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Kay Chang wrote: >Well, probably like everyone else, I am _NOT_ happy with The Cartoon >Network. They had to screw with the order and play Cry Turmoil over >again... :/ I can't take this! Well, I'm VERY happy, because I needed "Cry Turmoil" and I was able to record it today on TCN. Your dark cloud had my silver lining in it. :) -Tim From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 05:47:54 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA15740 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:42:58 -0400 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA15735 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:42:52 -0400 Received: from sununx.iscs.nus.sg (leetwail) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA18336 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for kats@bort.mv.net); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:44:41 +0800 Received: (from leetwail@localhost) by sununx.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA03099; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:44:39 +0800 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:44:39 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Kinda tangential message, so pardon me ... I came across an article about the Turner-Time Warner merger in Time recently and they quoted some top Time Warner executive as saying Ted Turner "teaches cats how to land on their feet" (in praise of his savvy, I suppose) and the article ended with "even a wildcatter could become a pussycat" (some reference to how Ted was happier, healthier, closer to his children blah, blah, blah ...) Does anyone else find this oddly ironic? :) Simon Leet :) - "You know you're in trouble when ... you think divinity is a triple-layered cheesecake and being sinful is having too much divinity." From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 06:17:23 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA15757 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:51:29 -0400 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA15752 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 05:50:21 -0400 Received: from sununx.iscs.nus.sg (leetwail) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA18530 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for kats@bort.mv.net); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:52:19 +0800 Received: (from leetwail@localhost) by sununx.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05389; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:52:17 +0800 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 17:52:16 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Pastmaster ... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net I'm writing a piece of fanfic right now and I'm kinda curious as to how time-travel actually works in SWATKatverse ... the only bit I remember is from "Bride of the Pastmaster" where the SWAT Kats return BEFORE they left, assumably displacing their "real-time" counterparts (they return to where they were supposed to be at that instance in time, but retain any changes they've undergone ... memories, equipment etc. after their little dark age adventure). Comments? Ideas? Thesis? Simon Leet :) - "You know you're in trouble when ... you think divinity is a triple-layered cheesecake and being sinful is having too much divinity." From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 15:48:40 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA16453 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:37:29 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA16448 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:37:27 -0400 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sat, 16 Sep 95 14:39:02 -0500 Message-Id: <305b27d60439002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 14:39:02 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* Content-Length: 837 Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Simon Leet wrote: >I came across an article about the Turner-Time Warner merger in Time >recently and they quoted some top Time Warner executive as saying Ted >Turner "teaches cats how to land on their feet" (in praise of his savvy, >I suppose) and the article ended with "even a wildcatter could become a >pussycat" (some reference to how Ted was happier, healthier, closer >to his children blah, blah, blah ...) >Does anyone else find this oddly ironic? :) Not in the least. Turner and Warners are talking about a merger, so the Warner propaganda machine goes into overdrive to make Ted look good for the general public (and especially for their stockholders). And painting Ted with the "family man" image will play well with the Capitol Hill crowd who've been using Time-Warner as their "family values" whipping boy. -Tim From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 16:18:35 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA16514 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:58:06 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA16509 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:58:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA08934; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:15:50 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: *Ahem* To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Leet Wai Leong Simon wrote: > Kinda tangential message, so pardon me ... > > I came across an article about the Turner-Time Warner merger in Time > recently and they quoted some top Time Warner executive as saying Ted > Turner "teaches cats how to land on their feet" (in praise of his savvy, > I suppose) and the article ended with "even a wildcatter could become a > pussycat" (some reference to how Ted was happier, healthier, closer > to his children blah, blah, blah ...) > > Does anyone else find this oddly ironic? :) I wish I could remember where, but Ted has used (and had used on him) a wealth of cat-imagery. I think his attempted acquisition of CBS falls nicely into another cat-image...batting a ball of yarn just tantalizingly out of reach! Heh! For those of us that read Lance Falk's script premises "Cold War" and "Blackout", I finally worked out how to use my thieved image-manipulation stuff (thanks Brad and Rat), and as soon as FTP decides to work again, you can check out Lance's original sketches of Rexx Shard and Blackout respectively under the rather uncreative filenames "shard.gif" and "blackout.gif". They're just b&w thumbnail sketches, but they're pretty cool. I've got "style guide" pics of Callie, TB&R and most of the remaining cast. Some of it is B&W line-art, (including some rad TB&R stuff along the lines of the poster), and some of it is the coloured versions of the same thing along with merchandise pics. Before I go filling up /pubs, maybe some of you can tell me what you'd like to see put up. (I'm using a fax as a scanner, so the images come out pretty damn good - and I can clean 'em up in my recently purr-loined software too!) _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 16:23:54 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA16506 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:56:42 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA16501 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:56:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA09406; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:29:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Pastmaster ... To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Leet Wai Leong Simon wrote: > > I'm writing a piece of fanfic right now and I'm kinda curious as to how > time-travel actually works in SWATKatverse ... the only bit I remember is > from "Bride of the Pastmaster" where the SWAT Kats return BEFORE they > left, assumably displacing their "real-time" counterparts (they return to > where they were supposed to be at that instance in time, but retain any > changes they've undergone ... memories, equipment etc. after their little > dark age adventure). **SPOILER WARNING** The Pastmaster is always involved in the Time-Travel ones, of which there are two - "Bride of the Pastmaster" from the first season, and "Bright and Shiny Future" from the second. In "Bride", the problem of displacing "other selves" is resolved because they are _so_ far back in time (the "Dark Ages") that the problem simply doesn't exist. "Bright and Shiny" is another matter altogether, and the awkward meeting of "selves" from different tenses is dealt with by having the future Razor and T-Bone (*snif*) rather dead (and man, the scene with TB&R crashing into the skyscraper and obviously passing on to that great litter-box in the sky was _really_ emotional actually). TB&R _do_ retain the memories of their adventures in the future as regards "Bright and Shiny" - and they _do_ retain any physical equipment alterations that took place in alternate time zones...witness "Bride" where the Turbokat returned to Megakat city still armed with the deadliest of weaponry -- "Pepper Stew"! The linearity of the "Pastmaster"'s existence is a bit of a fur-puller though, in "Bride" he remembered them from the future (how's _that_ for a brain-teaser) as "those annoying pests from the Future - what are they doing in _my_ Past?". Interesting that he had his "Tome of Time" in the "Bride" ep, after it was turned into kitty-litter via the TurboKat's turbines in "Pastmaster Always Rings Twice". Lots of room to play with in fanfic when the "rules" are this broad, huh? _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 16:47:22 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA16606 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:28:48 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA16601 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:28:46 -0400 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sat, 16 Sep 95 15:30:21 -0500 Message-Id: <305b33dd1a89002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 15:30:21 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* Content-Length: 411 Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Chance wrote: >I've got "style guide" pics of Callie, TB&R and most of the remaining >cast. Some of it is B&W line-art, (including some rad TB&R stuff along >the lines of the poster), and some of it is the coloured versions of the >same thing along with merchandise pics. Before I go filling up /pubs, >maybe some of you can tell me what you'd like to see put up. All of the Callie Briggs stuff! :) From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 16 21:47:33 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA17159 for kats-ll; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:44:44 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA17154 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 21:44:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA28937; Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:49:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Warner/Turner...it figures.. To: kats@bort.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Kind of bad news for those of us hoping to see a Time-Warner influence jumpstart the Kats. I just talked to Warnerspal, and it looks like the deal, as written, would keep Ted/Turnerco in control of Hanna-Barbera for the immediate future and preclude any large shifts in philosophy. It is still officially all up in the air however. The _very_ interesting thing is that mention of Hanna-Barbera so far has been limited to how valuable the land is on Cahuenga Blvd. that the place sits on - seems that TWC has already been contacted by Universal in terms of purchasing THE SITE -- without any regard for its current occupant. Found out something else too. It would appear that no one at H-B is listening to Kats fans because they have _serious_ budget problems. "Jonny" is late and over budget considerably, and one of their current WPT's needs retakes done _very_ badly, but "we don't have the budget". No budget for retakes on six-minuters that are incredibly cheap to begin with? That's sad (really). Something sure happened during the second season of Kats...I guess Ted got tired of his new toy and took his marbles home. _____________________________________________________________________________ "I think I liked him because I suspected that, in spite of his professional and easy-going demeanor, his psyche is held together with baling wire." "The Far Side"'s Gary Larson on his choice of Marv Newland to do the special _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 17 03:17:32 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA17681 for kats-ll; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:15:31 -0400 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA17676 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:15:28 -0400 Received: from sununx.iscs.nus.sg (leetwail) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA18627 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for kats@bort.mv.net); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:17:34 +0800 Received: (from leetwail@localhost) by sununx.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA07893; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:17:32 +0800 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:17:32 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Pastmaster ... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net > **SPOILER WARNING** > > The linearity of the "Pastmaster"'s existence is a bit of a fur-puller > though, in "Bride" he remembered them from the future (how's _that_ for a > brain-teaser) as "those annoying pests from the Future - what are they > doing in _my_ Past?". Interesting that he had his "Tome of Time" in the > "Bride" ep, after it was turned into kitty-litter via the TurboKat's > turbines in "Pastmaster Always Rings Twice". Hmmm, how's about this: the Pastmaster from "Bride" is actually FROM the future (IIRC, he was zapped into a portal at the end of "Twice") He winds up back in the Dark Ages where he's supposed to be (he supplants his original self, who I kinda assume would've looked less undead) and has access to all his old stuff, since he's using the Tome before it was destroyed and starts terrorizing Megalith city. However, since he's considerably more experience than he should have been at that point in time, history has been screwed up and the SWAT Kats are yanked back in time to stop him (Pastmaster implied they were here because of too much of his interfering in the timestream). Assumably, in the original history Callista's magic (or the original hero referred to in the legends ... maybe he died before he pulled the sword 'cos of Pastmaster's return) would've been a match for him. Wow. And I thought Quantum Physics was weird. :) -Simon Leet (leetwail@iscs.nus.sg) From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 17 03:47:27 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA17697 for kats-ll; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:22:43 -0400 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA17692 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:22:40 -0400 Received: from sununx86.iscs.nus.sg (sununx.iscs.nus.sg) (leetwail) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA18813 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for kats@bort.mv.net); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:24:16 +0800 Received: (from leetwail@localhost) by sununx86.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA09804; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:24:02 +0800 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:22:20 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: *Ahem* In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Chance wrote: > I've got "style guide" pics of Callie, TB&R and most of the remaining > cast. Some of it is B&W line-art, (including some rad TB&R stuff along > the lines of the poster), and some of it is the coloured versions of the > same thing along with merchandise pics. Before I go filling up /pubs, > maybe some of you can tell me what you'd like to see put up. Been waiting for the Jake/Razor style guides for quite a while. Would be nice to see Hard Drive (& the other Villians) and sketches for the typical Enforcer and such. > (I'm using a fax as a scanner, so the images come out pretty damn good - > and I can clean 'em up in my recently purr-loined software too!) Neat. How do you do that? -Simon Leet (leetwail@iscs.nus.sg) From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 17 15:19:32 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA18253 for kats-ll; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 14:51:04 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA18248 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 14:51:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA03869; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 11:34:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 11:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Pastmaster ... To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Sun, 17 Sep 1995, Leet Wai Leong Simon wrote: > future (IIRC, he was zapped into a portal at the end of "Twice") He winds > up back in the Dark Ages where he's supposed to be (he supplants his > original self, who I kinda assume would've looked less undead) and has Good point..I hadn't thought of that. I kind of always thought of the Pastmaster as a kind of "Q" - just sorta looks the same in all timezones regardless of their relevance to our "present". Hmm. As far as "supplanting his original self" goes, I think he exists utterly outside of Time - though he could potentially have gone back in Time after emerging from the sarcophagus in "Pastmaster Always Rings Twice" to the point at which "The Council" entomed him and purr-loined his Book ("Curse the Council...where is my Book?!"), and met up with his own self a la "Back to the Future"...hoil! My head..hurts already it does..owie-ow! > access to all his old stuff, since he's using the Tome before it was > destroyed and starts terrorizing Megalith city. However, since he's > considerably more experience than he should have been at that point in > time, history has been screwed up and the SWAT Kats are yanked back in > time to stop him (Pastmaster implied they were here because of too much > of his interfering in the timestream). Assumably, in the original istory > Callista's magic (or the original hero referred to in the legends ... > maybe he died before he pulled the sword 'cos of Pastmaster's return) > would've been a match for him. When I saw that ep, I got the impression that PM didn't belong _there_ either; I think he just haphazardly landed in Callista's domain after getting kicked through the portal by TB&R at the end of "Rings Twice". > Wow. And I thought Quantum Physics was weird. :) Oh yeah, it is. Cartoons and I get along like best friends; math and I get along like someone and his mother-in-law..we don't speak the same language. _____________________________________________________________________________ " ..'Goodnite my queeeen'...c'mon buddy, I've got a hot forge for ya ta meet..." T-Bone to Razor in "Bride of the Pastmaster" (1993) ____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 17 15:28:13 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA18261 for kats-ll; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 14:51:36 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA18256 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 14:51:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA03242; Sun, 17 Sep 1995 11:22:14 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 11:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: *Ahem* To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Sun, 17 Sep 1995, Leet Wai Leong Simon wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Sep 1995, Chance wrote: > Been waiting for the Jake/Razor style guides for quite a while. Would be > nice to see Hard Drive (& the other Villians) and sketches for the > typical Enforcer and such. > > > (I'm using a fax as a scanner, so the images come out pretty damn good - > > and I can clean 'em up in my recently purr-loined software too!) > > Neat. How do you do that? Eh..it's easy. Once you scan the stuff in, you can crop the extraneous junk and selectively erase/touch up any artifacts caused by the fax process etc. by editing the image in...(god this is dry)...on of the progs I, er.."stole". I have line art of: Jake (from the Home-Video boxes) Chance (from the Home-Video boxes) Callie, Feral, Dr. Viper, The Ghost Pilot, DarkKat, MadKat, the Pastmaster, the Turbokat, and colour art of the merchandise that would've been produced (outstanding, BTW) Also..various Kats missiles (did you know that the "Deadhead" missile from "Dark Side of the Swatkats" was originally intended as part of TB&R's good-kat arsenal?), various weapons, Cyclotron etc. T-Bone and Razor ("gritty" style artwork, both as character models and potential "Poster" shots). Packaging scenes with TB&R and Turbokat in actual situations (some of which you can see on the Vid-Boxes as well). Sadly, no Felina to be seen in the entire mess, and no generic Enforcer (though I might be able to get one later). Kind of an admin thing -- if I scan in the B&W line-artwork, it's going to be an odd resolution like 1280x1128 - i.e., it won't fit properly on a single VGA screen. I can scan it in like the "chance1.gif" on the FTP site, or crop it so it will fit on a standard screen - it's a public vote kinda deal. BTW, if you haven't already checked out Matt Weber's stuff "puma-ad.gif" and "calliedm.gif", you should. I hope I can get whatever prog he's using for those images for the stuff I put up - damn outstanding line/colour quality - even in 256 colours. Oh yeah. How clueless is Tedco? Check out Kats old timeslot on TBS...you will find reruns of Mark Evanier's "Garfield and Friends"; in itself not a bad "cat" show for different reasons, but HARDLY what I'd call a fair swap for our Kats. _____________________________________________________________________________ "There must be some way of getting the money without working for Eisner.." -The Brain ____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Mon Sep 18 11:22:55 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA19754 for kats-ll; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:50:22 -0400 Received: from sard.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA19749 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:50:20 -0400 Received: from fsac5.pica.army.mil by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA25834 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:52:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 10:47:41 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Another Reason to Hate Turner Message-ID: <9509181047.aa01645@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Well, over the weekend I found time to watch one of the three Kats tapes, the Metallikats one. I was quite impressed by how good it looked; I never realized how bad TBS looks on my cable system. That's the good news. I also picked up "The Swan Princess", released on LD by Turner Home Video. I can forgive the mediocre transfer, the lack of surround encoding, and the fact that side 2 could have been CAV but wasn't. I cannot forgive the fact that it's _not_ letterboxed. While Disney and WB understand the animation LD market, it's obvious TedCo does not. This film really deserved better. Damn them! Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil Oculis numquam claudentibus From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Mon Sep 18 20:53:23 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA20817 for kats-ll; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 20:32:40 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA20812 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 20:32:38 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA03281 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:35:01 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id TAA14261; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:32:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:32:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Another Newbie Question In-Reply-To: <9509181047.aa01645@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net The two stories on the page....are they: a) Actually done and waiting for air? b) Partially done, maybe, maybe not to be finished? c) Should I just keep my fingers crossed and wish real hard? d) Give it up now and enjoy what I can get at? (which is only the 3 videos) Any comments for me? Niki From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Mon Sep 18 23:20:27 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA21087 for kats-ll; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:49:55 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA21082 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:49:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (chance@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA04831; Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:50:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse wrote: > > The two stories on the page....are they: > > a) Actually done and waiting for air? > b) Partially done, maybe, maybe not to be finished? > c) Should I just keep my fingers crossed and wish real hard? > d) Give it up now and enjoy what I can get at? (which is only the 3 videos) > > Any comments for me? Yep. "Cold War" and "Blackout" are what they call "script premises". The way most studios work in regards to freelance and staff writers is that they get these folks to submit their ideas for scripts in the form of a "premise" - that is, a brief outline of the episode which describes all the pivotal stuff that would make the story work, but generally leaves out specifics. After the "premise" is approved by the Powers-That-Be (in this case Glenn Leopold, Story Editor, and Buzz Potemkin - exec. producer) it goes back to the writer for him to create a "beat outline", a bit more detailed than the "premise", which in turn goes back to the Powers That Be for another round of approvals. If the script still makes it through all the hoops, it goes back to the writer for him/her to flesh out to a full script with dialogue, camera directions, background descriptions etc. From there, scripts are generally approved once more by the PTB, then converted into "storyboards", and from there to film/video. "Blackout" was fairly far along the approval process when it was discovered that the Tremblay Bros. already HAD an underground-themed one ready to go for the second season ("Caverns of Horror"). The premise was shelved until the third season, which, as we all know, never happened. Lance's sense of humour is evident in "Blackout" when one notes the ironic name of the Kats nemesis...Elliot Kliban...from "Kliban's Cat" fame in the mid-late 80's. "Blackout" made it all the way to full script form, and I hope to have that in my greedy little paws shortly. "Cold War", as Lance admits, came during a period in which he was rather burned out. It was intended as the second installment in what was planned as a on-going series in which Rexx Shard, semi-sympathetic villain of "Chaos in Crystal", would return to menace the Kats in a slightly new incarnation each time - bearing the cumulative physical scars of previous encounters with the Kat guys. "I intended him to return a number of times, each time bearing a new physical scar as evidence of the previous encounter...each time more bitter" (Lance Falk). "Cold War" would've been revived had the series gone to 65 eps, as was originally intended. It was scheduled as episode 11 of the second season, but "Turmoil II: The Revenge" was given the nod in its place. There are currently three episodes of SwatKats that made it through all the hoops to get through the storyboard stage, and the voice artists have even recorded all the tracks to enable their completion. These can now be taken at any time by Hanna-Barbera/Turner and shipped overseas to Mook for animation -- whatever Post-production necessary afterwards could be accomplished fairly quickly - without H-B noticing the loss of critical creative personnel who were either fired by H-B upon the termination of Kats, or quit in disgust voluntarily (Christian and Yvon Tremblay, Lance Falk, Jim Stenstrum, Tony Sgroi). The three episodes (which would've rounded out the second season to 13 instead of 10) break down as follows (from the pages of "Animato!"): "Turmoil II: The Revenge" -- Turmoil busts out of jail. It opens up in a womens' prison, and this big mole machine comes out of the ground and (the prisoners) all pile into it. Turmoil busts out the entire womens' prison, and they all work for her. She gets ahold of a massive laser satellite system, or a big death beam -- I've forgotten exactly what it was. It's controlled from her fortress, which is a castle on top of a snowbound mountain. The SWAT Kats must scale the mountain and do all this snow fighting stuff. "Doctors of Doom" -- Dr. Viper teams up with Dr. Harley Street, the alien-possessed scientist from "The Ci-Kat-a" (hence the title). "They create a lot of monsters that have to be blown up within 22 minutes. I hardly remember that one." "The Curse of Kataluna" -- "It was a succubus story, about a woman that Commander Feral really had a thing for, and she was really draining the life out of him. He was getting older and older through the show, until he was practically a mummy at the end. (Kataluna) drained his energy and became this big, huge harpy, and she had other harpy things that helped her, and they were terrorizing the city." The SWAT Kats become involved when a justifiably concerned Felina Feral called on them to help save her uncle. Kataluna was voiced by Nancy Linari, who had played Morticia on H-B's 1992-1994 Addams Family series. "Kataluna' was a real strong episode with another terrific female villain," Falk says. "It used Commander Feral more than any of the other shows that used him -- it was really Feral's episode." Not surprisingly, Dr. Sinian also appears; after helpin the SWAT Kats defeat The Pastmaster and The Red Lynx, she's an old hand at handling supernatural villains by now. (Quoted with permission from Lance Falk via Mark Lungo from the pages of "Animato!" 32) BTW, I secured permission to upload the whole article/episode guide to rat.org, and will do so the minute my OCR stuff works properly. _____________________________________________________________________________ "There must be some way of getting the money without working for Eisner.." -The Brain ____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Tue Sep 19 08:50:11 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA21928 for kats-ll; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:35:55 -0400 Received: from sard.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA21923 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:35:53 -0400 Received: from dialup.oar.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA11397 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:38:19 -0400 Received: from sv1.gentire.com for lynn@gentire.com by dialup.oar.net (8.6.10/931123.1402) id IAA12232; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:37:02 -0400 Received: from sv6.gentire.com by sv1.gentire.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01253; Tue, 19 Sep 95 07:37:55 CDT Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 07:37:55 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9509191237.AA01253@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Taskmaster....??? Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net WAs channel surfing last night and pasted over TNT Monday Nitro (wrestling), Ted's version of Raw. I caught a glimpse of a little guy in a hooded coat, and at first I would have sworn they were calling him the Pastmaster. I believe it ended up being the Taskmaster, but I thought the similarities were clearly pointed at everyones favorite time-traveler. Either I'm a tad to obsessed or Ted is really getting desparate for wrestler- names. Ian From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Tue Sep 19 22:47:54 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA23204 for kats-ll; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:19:46 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA23199 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:19:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (Unknown UID 650@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA18499; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:23:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Taskmaster....??? To: kats@bort.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9509191237.AA01253@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > WAs channel surfing last night and pasted over TNT Monday Nitro (wrestling), > Ted's version of Raw. I caught a glimpse of a little guy in a hooded > coat, and at first I would have sworn they were calling him the > Pastmaster. I believe it ended up being the Taskmaster, but I thought > the similarities were clearly pointed at everyones favorite time-traveler. > Either I'm a tad to obsessed or Ted is really getting desparate for wrestler- > names. Heh! Ted's getting desperate for a lot of things...one of the WPT's just came back an absolute disaster, and H-B told the creator that there wasn't any money left in the budget for retakes. What a joke. More things on the Tedco front...they cancelled Kats hoping to save money, and their new "Jonny" has been cut back from 65 to 26, and is *wayyyy* over budget and very behind schedule. Those who have caught previews of it so far are either whelmed, or out-and-out say it bites. They canned the Kats to pursue this? Seriously, "Deadly Pyramid", "Unlikely Alloys" and a good portion of "Mutation City" are among the best stuff in animation (for a variety of reasons) that I've ever seen. So far, what Tedco has pursued in place of it can be counted among the worst. Oh yeah...certain individuals over there bear much of the blame for killing the Kat guys, and they've been known for other clueless maneuvers previous. One of my acquaintances loves to take digs at the Powers-that-be over there when he's judging their "Storyboard" contest, and I suggested a few digs be made concerning the Kats. I have a feeling it will happen! _____________________________________________________________________________ "There must be some way of getting the money without working for Eisner.." -The Brain ____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 20 01:17:39 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA23472 for kats-ll; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 01:08:26 -0400 Received: from cisk by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA23467 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 01:08:23 -0400 Received: by cisk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13512; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:10:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9509200510.AA13512@cisk> Subject: Revised FAQ (finally!!!) To: kats@bort.mv.net () Date: Tue, 19 Sep 95 22:10:51 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 6325 Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net OK, I've finally managed to get off my duff and get the FAQ updated. As always, corrections and/or suggestions to the FAQ are always welcome. ----- Last Updated Tue Sep 19 22:03:14 PDT 1995 SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron Frequently Asked Questions =========================================================== _SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron_ (SK) is an animated series created in 1993 by two French-Canadian brothers, Christian Tremblay and Yvon Tremblay. Using their self-taught drawing skills and their own money, they managed to sell their creation of anthropomorphic felines, otherwise known as "Kats", to Hanna-Barbera. H-B produced 23 episodes of the SWAT Kats, 13 for the first season (1993-94) and 10 for the second season (1994-95). The second season fell three episodes shy of a full set because, in the middle of production, Turner Entertainment ordered H-B to cancel production of the series and begin immediate layoffs, including half the background department and design team. The reason that Turner gave at the time was that the show wasn't moving merchandise -- although the series hardly had any merchandise to begin with (save for a handful of posters and Taiwanese trinkets with "SWAT Kats" labels on them)! Therefore, Turner decided to yank the show even though it had been doing very well in the ratings. Go figure. Note: A 24th episode, the "S.K.I.Q." episode, which contains clips from the first and second seasons' episodes, was also made and aired. It was originally set to lead the second season, but aired *after* the other second-season episodes. Unfortunately, this episode isn't as good as the other episodes that have aired. Three additional episodes were storyboarded and the voice tracks laid down, but are currently still in limbo (and may very well become the "lost episodes" of the series). The *real* reason that Turner cancelled the series is a mystery, however; it may have been canned because of its violence and not because of its lack of merchandise. In fact, there should be some merchandise hitting the store shelves this summer: - Action figures (produced by Remco) of some of the characters, including T-Bone, Razor, Dark Kat, Doctor Viper -- due out in August - Video releases of some of the episodes -- due out in the first week of July - Video game for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (none for Sega yet, unfortunately) -- due out in the first week of July Update: all of the above have been sighted, but somewhat sparsely and randomly. Suggestion: check out a K-Mart or a Toys R Us for the action figures and SNES game, Suncoast Video for the videos. An SK poster *was* available earlier this year at various K-Marts around the U.S. (and Canada), but the stores have apparently been cleaned out of posters due to fan demand. The Cartoon Network is currently running episodes of the Kats -- Monday through Friday, 5:30 PM Eastern/2:30 PM Pacific. The animation studios involved in 'Kats production are Hanho Heung-Up and Mook, the former being a Taiwan studio and the latter a Japanese studio. Both seasons' episodes show an anime (Japanimation) influence, especially the second season's episodes, which were animated entirely by Mook. Christian Tremblay apparently wanted Mook to do all of the episodes, but found it uneconomical to do so. What's the proper spelling of 'SWAT Kats'? Most likely it's the way it's being spelled in the FAQ. The full title is, of course: "SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron", but there's been some question as to whether the word "SWAT Kats" should be written as a single word (i.e., "SWATKats"). And yes, it's with a "K", not a "C". T-Bone's and Razor's ages? According to Christian Tremblay, they're both in their mid-20s, but T-Bone is most definitely older. Trivia tidbit: Razor and T-Bone were initially named "Chuck" and "Yaeger", after the famous test pilot. Write your local station that carries the SWAT Kats (and/or TBS)! Tell them how much you like the series! You can also write H-B at: Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90068 Attn: Fred Seibert When you write, you might want to include demographical information about yourself, such as your age, sex and geographic location. Hanna-Barbera is apparently very interested in learning who are fans of the 'Kats, so make yourself known! You can also fax H-B at (213) 969- 1201 (after all, "Kids Love SK", so please, "Tell Us What You Think!") Pet peeve: Animations are NOT for children!!! (Kinda ironic given the above comment, eh?) FTP address for 'Kats stuff: rat.org, /pub/rat/kats. Lotsa gifs/jpegs and other goodies there. Sound bytes coming soon...? Web page: Yes, the 'Kats have their own web page (not official, but at least it's there): 'http://rat.org/kats'. For details, send email to 'rat@rat.org'. Check out the Fall '94 ish of _Toon Magazine_, if you can get ahold of a copy. There's an article on the SWAT Kats near the back of the magazine, along with copies of model sheets of T-Bone, Razor, Callie, Commander Feral, Felina Feral, Mayor Manx and the Turbokat (did I leave anything out?). There's also an SK writeup by Mark Lungo in "Animato!". Unfortunately I can't remember which issue number offhand (38?), but it's the one with Bart Simpson, Beavis and some other toons on the cover doing exactly what they aren't supposed to be doing! (BS&P would have a *fit*, I'm sure... ;-) Kats On The Net! Check these out, if you can: - alt.tv.swatkats (newsgroup) - SK fan club on Prodigy - possible SK fan club starting up on FurryMUCK (telnet furry.org, port 8888) For the die-hard 'Kats fans: - To join a fan club (currently unofficial): email Walt Koziol (wkoziol@delphi.com). - A fanzine, KAT'S ALIVE, is also in the works and will be available for a limited run (contact Timothy Fay [fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu] for details). ========================================================================== FAQ maintained by: Dana Uehara (razor@netcom.com) Acknowledgements/Contributors To The FAQ: Andy Hill (chance@unix.infoserve.net) Timothy Fay (fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu) Paul Hurley (rat@rat.org) Mark Lungo (Animato! article writer) -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 20 02:17:51 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA23634 for kats-ll; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 01:55:59 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA23629 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 01:55:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (bradc@localhost) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id WAA04125; Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:59:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 22:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Clark Subject: New screengrabs posted To: kats@bort.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Hi Everyone, Just rented the Kats SNES game and posted a few screen grabs to the FTP site. Go check them out! They are in the images/snes directory. Also posted an 8 bit wav file of the theme from the game. (sorry about the low quality...would have been too big if I'd done it 16 bit) this one is in the sounds directory as sneswav.zip Brad / Orwin xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x RL: Brad D. Clark Furtoonia: Orwin Raccoon/GrumpyBear x x bradc@unix.infoserve.net x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -Football and 'toons don't mix. From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 20 05:53:02 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA24075 for kats-ll; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:21:24 -0400 Received: from netman.iscs.nus.sg by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA24070 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:21:18 -0400 Received: from sununx.iscs.nus.sg (leetwail) by netman.iscs.nus.sg with SMTP id AA11678 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for kats@bort.mv.net); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:20:01 +0800 Received: (from leetwail@localhost) by sununx.iscs.nus.sg (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15754; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:19:58 +0800 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:19:57 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: SK: The Video Game. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Er. Urm. Ahem. What can I say folks, I rented it and finished it in 3 days. Awfully short. I'm sad to say that it's not a particularly good game, unfortunately. That's not to say that the game bites, but it's just not one of the better (or more original) games for the SNES. I'm particularly disappointed with the flying sequences which felt a LOT like playing Turbo Space Invaders rather than flying the TurboKat. The platform sequences were better, and the difference between using T-Bone and Razor was a nice touch (though certainly not enough to justify playing the game again). There werequite a few neat ideas thrown in, but they weren't really fully developed; The level-up system for one, which tends to lead to immortal SWATKats after a while, and the use of SF type button combos to do uppercuts (What's the point? You've got a Glovatrix! And there are only two such moves ...) Graphics and sound were generally okay, nothing spectacular though. The music is apt and unobtrusive, while for most levels the graphics are acceptable. (DarkKat's level seems to be the exception though) Overall, the game is kinda fun and challenging in some areas (especially finding all the dang coins) but "lacklustre" is the general impression. Basically for Kats fans (they used quite a bit of stuff from the first season.) One last note, I found the ending humorous but short and I finished the game with a time of about 85 (?) minutes ... does anyone know if there's a way to improve the ending? -Simon Leet who wonders how people in most games seem to be able to jump twice their height. :) From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 20 22:23:16 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25613 for kats-ll; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:59:57 -0400 Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA25608 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:59:55 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-5 #10880) id <01HVIJAB614C8ZE6JT@delphi.com> for kats@bort.mv.net; Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:02:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: *Ahem* To: kats@bort.mv.net Message-id: <01HVIJAB6ARY8ZE6JT@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@bort.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Andy Hill wrote: >I've got "style guide" pics of Callie, TB&R and most of the >remaining cast. Some of it is B&W line-art, (including some >rad TB&R stuff along the lines of the poster), and some of it >is the coloured versions of the same thing along with >merchandise pics. Before I go filling up /pubs, maybe some >of you can tell me what you'd like to see put up. Ya know, I'd like some input on what people would like to see. Not stuff that's already available, but artwork ideas that you'd like to see on a T-shirt, or for a Windoze backdrop, etc. >Kind of an admin thing -- if I scan in the B&W line-artwork, >it's going to be an odd resolution like 1280x1128 - i.e., it >won't fit properly on a single VGA screen. I can scan it in >like the "chance1.gif" on the FTP site, or crop it so it will >fit on a standard screen - it's a public vote I would prefer to have it scanned in the largest resolution possible--I can always resize the image myself later on and still have the highest quality. >BTW, if you haven't already checked out Matt Weber's stuff >"puma-ad.gif" and "calliedm.gif", you should. I hope I can Thanks! I'd really like any kind of feed-back any of you have to offer! It helps me to improve & gives me ideas -- and in the end you get more and better looking pictures! -Matt From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 21 21:31:26 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA27691 for kats-ll; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:24:58 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA27686 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:24:55 -0400 Received: from d151.infoserve.net (d151.infoserve.net [199.175.157.151]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA06496; Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:29:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:29:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199509220129.SAA06496@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: terra chang From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Subject: Re: Hey.. Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >'Member how we were debating about the Swat Kats and time travling? Well >in "The Pastmaster Always Rings Twice" remember how Callie and Dr. Sinian >tried to stop him castng the spell? Well I remember somewhere someone >asking about which one came first, 'Bride' or 'Twice'. 'Twice had to have >come first 'cause the Pastmaster showed no intrest in Callie when she was >trying to stop him, yet during the "The Deadly Pyrmid" when he saw Callie >also noticed the resemblance between her and Callista like the 'Kats did >when THEY first met her. Coincedince?????????? Or not??????????? > "Pastmaster Always Rings Twice" was the very first episode of SwatKats (11/93) although I believe that "The Giant Bacteria" was actually completed first. "Bride of the Pastmaster" was actually episode 6. This is one of the things with the "Pastmaster" that causes quite the mind-boggle...where'd he go after falling off the Dragon in "Bride", and how'd he end up back in the future (pardon the pun) for episode 15, "A Bright and Shiny Future", and then from there to "Deadly Pyramid" (although he had this nifty scene in "Deadly" where he just kinda parted the heavens and showed up...kinda like Ted Turner hisself). (Those of us still using PINE to read the list might want to tell me if they're getting the word-wrap "Wimbledon" sensation reading my stuff...I might have to alter a few things now I'm blessed with SLIP/Eudora for e-mail ops). From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 23 19:13:15 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA01559 for kats-ll; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:03:07 -0400 Received: from bos1h.delphi.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA01554 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:03:05 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-5 #10880) id <01HVMK09BEL294EZFF@delphi.com> for kats@bort.mv.net; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Hey.. To: kats@bort.mv.net Message-id: <01HVMK09BEL494EZFF@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@bort.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >asking about which one came first, 'Bride' or 'Twice'. 'Twice had to have >come first 'cause the Pastmaster showed no intrest in Callie when she was >trying to stop him, yet during the "The Deadly Pyrmid" when he saw Callie >also noticed the resemblance between her and Callista like the 'Kats did >when THEY first met her. Coincedince?????????? Or not??????????? He didn't show any interest in her until "Pyramid" because she was wearing her glasses. In "Pyramid", her glasses came off & then he recognized her as Callista. Hmm.. Sounds like you're watching too much "Star Trek: blah blah" & trying to figure out how quantum singularities work. -Matt From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 23 19:27:33 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA01573 for kats-ll; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:15:00 -0400 Received: from matrix.eden.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA01568 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:14:58 -0400 Received: from net-1-231.austin.eden.com (net-1-231.austin.eden.com [199.171.21.231]) by matrix.eden.com (8.6.12/8.6.12.1) with SMTP id SAA18206 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:17:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:17:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199509232317.SAA18206@matrix.eden.com> X-Sender: kaychang@eden.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: kaychang@eden.com (Kay Chang) Subject: Re: Hey.. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >>asking about which one came first, 'Bride' or 'Twice'. 'Twice >had to have >>come first 'cause the Pastmaster showed no intrest in Callie >when she was >>trying to stop him, yet during the "The Deadly Pyrmid" when he >saw Callie >>also noticed the resemblance between her and Callista like the >'Kats did >>when THEY first met her. Coincedince?????????? Or >not??????????? > >He didn't show any interest in her until "Pyramid" because she >was wearing her glasses. In "Pyramid", her glasses came off & >then he recognized her as Callista. > >Hmm.. Sounds like you're watching too much "Star Trek: blah >blah" & trying to figure out how quantum singularities work. > > >-Matt Say WHAT????????? BTW, I HATE Star Trek!!! From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 23 19:58:04 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA01626 for kats-ll; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:45:36 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA01621 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:45:34 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA28185 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:48:21 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id SAA20037; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:45:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:45:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Groveling now In-Reply-To: <01HVMK09BEL494EZFF@delphi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Okay, okay, so I am desperate now. Big time. Our local so-called cable company for my school doesn't @#%@&* carry the Cartoon Network at all. I also still can't check out the archives because "file to large to be opened by Simpletext" GRRRRRRRRR.... I hate to be a bother, but this is just about the last straw. I want to get past the "I don't know anything" stage so I can get in on relevant conversation. I hate my being this way as much as the rest of you do, promise. So here's another plea, Can someone PLEASE tape the episodes for me, or kindly drop an address that I can write to to get them? Those overseas prices are sounding pretty good to me!!!!! Any response that wishes to remain anonymous inhelping this fool out can e-mail me at nvb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu -The ever annoying one- Niki xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Be careful, Feral is after your heads!"-Callie "So's Razor..."(rubbing head) -Chance -SwatKats- The Radical Squadron wwwww w w www wwwwwww w w www wwwwwww wwwww w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w wwwww w ww wwwww w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w wwwww w w w w w w w w w w wwwww xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 23 21:27:50 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA01941 for kats-ll; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:20:10 -0400 Received: from matrix.eden.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA01936 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:20:08 -0400 Received: from net-1-157.austin.eden.com (net-1-157.austin.eden.com [199.171.21.157]) by matrix.eden.com (8.6.12/8.6.12.1) with SMTP id UAA27076 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:22:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 20:22:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199509240122.UAA27076@matrix.eden.com> X-Sender: kaychang@eden.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: kaychang@eden.com (Kay Chang) Subject: Re: Groveling now X-Mailer: Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net > >Okay, okay, so I am desperate now. Big time. Our local so-called cable >company for my school doesn't @#%@&* carry the Cartoon Network at all. > >I also still can't check out the archives because "file to large to be >opened by Simpletext" GRRRRRRRRR.... > >I hate to be a bother, but this is just about the last straw. I want to get >past the "I don't know anything" stage so I can get in on relevant >conversation. I hate my being this way as much as the rest of you do, >promise. So here's another plea, Can someone PLEASE tape the episodes for me, >or kindly drop an address that I can write to to get them? Those overseas >prices are sounding pretty good to me!!!!! > >Any response that wishes to remain anonymous inhelping this fool out can >e-mail me at nvb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu > >-The ever annoying one- Niki >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >"Be careful, Feral is after your heads!"-Callie >"So's Razor..."(rubbing head) -Chance -SwatKats- > The Radical Squadron > > wwwww w w www wwwwwww w w www wwwwwww wwwww > w w w w w w w w w w w w w w > w w w w wwwww w ww wwwww w w > w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w > wwwww w w w w w w w w w w wwwww >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Hi Nikki! My name is Terra. I'm just like you, I LOVE the Swat Kats. How old are you? If you like, maybe I can help. I don't know that much about the technical stuff, but I COULd tape a few episodes for you, if you'd really like it. :) :) :) From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 23 22:43:33 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA02031 for kats-ll; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 22:38:09 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA02026 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 22:38:06 -0400 Received: from d143.infoserve.net (d143.infoserve.net [199.175.157.143]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA06601 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:44:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:44:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199509240244.TAA06601@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Subject: Re: Groveling now Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >I also still can't check out the archives because "file to large to be >opened by Simpletext" GRRRRRRRRR.... Wow...what are you using for access? (never mind..I don't think I want to know ). Some of the text files are too large for Windows Notepad, but you can read them in "Write" well enough - or Word/Word Perfect if you have access to those. >I hate to be a bother, but this is just about the last straw. I want to get >past the "I don't know anything" stage so I can get in on relevant >conversation. I hate my being this way as much as the rest of you do, >promise. So here's another plea, Can someone PLEASE tape the episodes for me, >or kindly drop an address that I can write to to get them? Those overseas >prices are sounding pretty good to me!!!!! I already promised a run to David Rapp (less the ones available for sale at Suncoast, of course), and I have to get them out of the way before I'll help anyone else out. If I can get hold of another VCR I will have no problem whatsoever taping them for you for the cost of the tapes and mailing. You'll have to wait a bit though...you'll be no. 3 on the list. Anyone check out the fall ac/adv stuff yet? They killed the kats for _this_? Not a furry effort to be found anywhere either -- unless you count "Earthworm Jim". People _should_ have access to something as great as the Kats - nothing touches it for animal character ac/adv. >-The ever annoying one- Niki You figure you're annoying because you want to see the Kat-guys? Naaah. We'd all be guilty of that upon learning there's nothing after "Unlikely Alloys". (I think H-B thinks I'm annoying now - can't think why...) >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >"Be careful, Feral is after your heads!"-Callie >"So's Razor..."(rubbing head) -Chance -SwatKats- > The Radical Squadron Um...oh..wait! I can get it, don't tell me..."Katastrophe", Glenn Leopold, ep 13, 1993. That reminds me of something with this ep. Notice that it was structured to set the audience up for the multi-month break in new stuff that would come between season one and two by having the TurboKat destroyed and _all_ the major villains out of action at once? It almost seems like a "last episode" to me, while leaving the door open for future ones should H-B decide. Of course, they went to the abortive second season immediately, so that's all just so much speculation. I liked this ep a lot for the character dev on the part of Feral, and the writing in general. Check out some of the great dialogue and action stuff about the time Razor pursues the nasties into the tunnel, and the scenes that take place when he exits. Outstanding, IMO. The one memorable scene from that ep (which I'd really like a cel of) is that shot of Razor and Feral back-to-back fighting off the various bad guys in the Tuna factory. The only thing I didn't like was someone's experimenting with some overly "cartoony" actions on the part of Razor. __________________________________________________________________________ "Spies uncover stuff nobody knows about. Artists do the opposite" -- "Betty", 9/20/95 __________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 24 00:27:50 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA02085 for kats-ll; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:12:42 -0400 Received: from smtp.interramp.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA02080 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:12:40 -0400 Received: from [38.11.151.97] by smtp.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id XAA27676; Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199509240315.XAA27676@smtp.interramp.com> To: "kats@bort.mv.net" Subject: i have an idea.. Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 22:15:04 -0500 From: Matthew Milam X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net -- [ From: Matthew Milam * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Why don't we send infomation about the mailing list to Hanna-Barbera?? Or did someone do that already. From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 24 09:58:21 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA02749 for kats-ll; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:54:14 -0400 Received: from granite.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA02744 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:54:12 -0400 Received: by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA12445; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:57:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Groveling now In-Reply-To: <199509240244.TAA06601@unix.infoserve.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Andy Hill wrote: > > >I also still can't check out the archives because "file to large to be > >opened by Simpletext" GRRRRRRRRR.... > > Wow...what are you using for access? (never mind..I don't think I want to > know ). Some of > the text files are too large for Windows Notepad, but you can read them in > "Write" well enough - > or Word/Word Perfect if you have access to those. I like tennis, but not when reading mail. Your word wrapping is messed up. Simpletext is a Mac application. Since this is very off topic, I wrote to the author directly with my suggestion. And it wasn't to sell their Mac. ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 24 12:27:52 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA03027 for kats-ll; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:25:24 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA03022 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:25:20 -0400 Received: from d143.infoserve.net (d143.infoserve.net [199.175.157.143]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA02118 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:32:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:32:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199509241632.JAA02118@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Subject: Re: i have an idea.. Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >-- [ From: Matthew Milam * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >Why don't we send infomation about the mailing list to Hanna-Barbera?? > >Or did someone do that already. > I've done that already a number of times, and referenced the volume of Kats stuff I've downloaded over the last six or so months, but no one has shown any interest. When I talked to the person over there in charge of fan-mail and the like, he seemed very enthusiastic about setting up things like a Web Page, and talking to those of us trying to set up some kind of "fan club" for the Kats. He invited me and others to call him (which we've done repeatedly), but no phone calls are being returned. To test a theory, I had someone else call the guy to see if an unrecognizable name would make the difference between some response and none, but it didnt; said individual's call was also ignored. >From what I understand, the folks responsible for fan-stuff (at this point in time "Classic Cartoons" div of Hanna-Barbera) have been told to concentrate on "The Flintstones", "Cave Kids", "Captain Planet" and "Jonny Quest"; most of the mail received evidently concerns the first and last of these groups. Earlier, we were promised that Kats fan-mail would be answered (along the lines of the letter-and-sticker a lot of us received in 1993/4), but those of us I've talked to that have sent missives to H-B have not received a thing (except in the case of a couple of fans who got phone calls from the Kats producer, Davis Doi -- the guy in the "Editing.JPG" on rat.org). While we're here; the Time-Warner "buyout" of Turner Entertainment has officially happened - but it appears to take on the form of a merger/stock-swap as opposed to Ted packing his collective bags for early retirement. For the moment, Ted retains control of his Empire at least nominally -- becoming "first mate" in the new setup. This likely means no immediate changes as regards the Kats or Hanna-Barbera, but TWC likes performers, and Hanna-Barbera at the moment is most definitely NOT that. I'm keeping an ear to the ground with some Warner's friends, and if it looks like the powers-that-be controlling WBA have any say in what occurs at H-B, I'm going to concentrate on persuading whoever to finish the last three eps as a smart financial move. __________________________________________________________________________ "Spies uncover stuff nobody knows about. Artists do the opposite" -- "Betty", 9/20/95 __________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 24 12:58:28 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA03045 for kats-ll; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:42:11 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA03040 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 12:42:07 -0400 Received: from d143.infoserve.net (d143.infoserve.net [199.175.157.143]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA02786 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:49:12 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:49:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199509241649.JAA02786@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Subject: Re: Groveling now Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, Andy Hill wrote: >I like tennis, but not when reading mail. Your word wrapping is messed up. Can't quite figure out why this is happening. The settings on Eudora here are 80 columns/Word Wrap on, but I still have to manually keep the line length by hitting return so it doesn't exceed your stuff. Go fig. >Simpletext is a Mac application. Since this is very off topic, I wrote to the >author directly with my suggestion. And it wasn't to sell their Mac. ;-) Macs. I kind of drooled over the Multimedia stuff on the new PowerMac, but I keep getting the idea that the whole Apple outfit may end up just like Amiga. __________________________________________________________________________ "Spies uncover stuff nobody knows about. Artists do the opposite" -- "Betty", 9/20/95 __________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Sep 24 17:26:15 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA00199 for kats-ll; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:17:08 -0400 Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA00194 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:17:02 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-5 #10880) id <01HVNUAY77M894F8O0@delphi.com> for kats@bort.mv.net; Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Groveling now To: kats@bort.mv.net Message-id: <01HVNUAY7H9E94F8O0@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@bort.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Macs. I kind of drooled over the Multimedia stuff on the new PowerMac, but I keep getting the idea that the whole Apple outfit may end up just like Amiga. No! Ahhh! Don't say that! Amigas _will_ be back! Now back to the subject at hand: Nikki, I can probably get you those copies quicker than Andy... I've been trying to organize my videotape collection of the episodes & re-tape some that didn't turn out as well as I hoped (thanks to the *wonderful* cable company who owns a monopoly). I'll let you know shortly what the status is. Hmm.. Sounds like Andy isn't the only one with online access problems! I've got a brand-new fan-art done and I can't even mail it to Paul.. -Matt From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Mon Sep 25 11:53:32 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA01542 for kats-ll; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:38:13 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA01537 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:38:07 -0400 Received: from d143.infoserve.net (d143.infoserve.net [199.175.157.143]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA00838 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:43:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:43:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199509251543.IAA00838@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Re: Groveling now Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >>Hmm.. Sounds like Andy isn't the only one with online access >problems! I've got a brand-new fan-art done and I can't >even mail it to Paul.. > Apologies to the whole list. My reply was in response to a message from Rat, and for whatever reason ye gods saw fit to provide, the kats list was inadvertantly in the cc header. Won't happen again. I'm still in the midst of scanning in some new stuff myself -- hopefully if this week is quieter than last, I can send it to the site. __________________________________________________________________________ "Spies uncover stuff nobody knows about. Artists do the opposite" -- "Betty", 9/20/95 __________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Tue Sep 26 08:47:38 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04755 for kats-ll; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:32:17 -0400 Received: from sard.mv.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA04750 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:32:15 -0400 Received: from dialup.oar.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28739 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:33:16 -0400 Received: from sv1.gentire.com for lynn@gentire.com by dialup.oar.net (8.6.10/931123.1402) id IAA05691; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:31:54 -0400 Received: from sv6.gentire.com by sv1.gentire.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03442; Tue, 26 Sep 95 07:32:48 CDT Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 07:32:48 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9509261232.AA03442@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Takeovers.... Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Well, I didn't notice this mentioned, although I'm sure most everyone has heard. Time-Warner and Tedco have settled on the "merger", and from the conference, Ted looked as gitty as a school girl. Apparently there may be some complications, but that seems to be the standard in these situations. Have any of you with connections spoken to anyone inside to see how things seem to be shaking down after this weekend?? And when can we expect to see the Animaniacs-Swatkat hour (an odd combo indeed)?? What else does T-W hold in there library that shows promise on the CN?? Ian From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Tue Sep 26 11:53:21 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA05029 for kats-ll; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:30:01 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA05020 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:29:57 -0400 Received: from d141.infoserve.net (d143.infoserve.net [199.175.157.143]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA06116 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:15:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 08:15:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199509261515.IAA06116@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Re: Takeovers.... Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >Well, I didn't notice this mentioned, although I'm sure most everyone >has heard. Time-Warner and Tedco have settled on the "merger", and from the >conference, Ted looked as gitty as a school girl. Apparently there may >be some complications, but that seems to be the standard in these situations. >Have any of you with connections spoken to anyone inside to see how things >seem to be shaking down after this weekend?? And when can we expect to see >the Animaniacs-Swatkat hour (an odd combo indeed)?? What else does T-W >hold in there library that shows promise on the CN?? Friends fairly high up in the WBA chain-of-command say that early projections are that Ted will retain control over H-B for at least the immediate future. H-B is kind of a "consolation prize" with Time-Warner; it was never really part of the "carrot" that enticed TWC to part with so much stock (similar to the fate of DIC concerning the ABC-Disney deal), and actually puts them in the awkward position of competing with themselves. I've heard from other, less reliable sources that Hanna-Barbera may be shut down altogether (or moved to the Warner lot), and the land upon which it currently sits sold to Universal for a number followed by a whole whack of zeros. However, I did hear something interesting from our long-lost Kevin Knoles. It would appear (and I plan on confirming this) that the president of H-B (to which we've hopefully all been addressing our letters of outrage) _may_ have been just as upset as the rest of us at the cancellation order. TWC, for all their faults, at least knows what they're doing; now they have a stake in the operation of the combined company, they'll likely prevent the TPS blue-suits from making any more gaffes of the Kats-cancelling nature...perhaps even extending as far as to "maximize profit from existing properties" by finishing the last three eps. To be honest, most opinions on H-B stuff currently running on the "Cartoon Network" coming from WBA aren't repeatable in polite company -- with a few exceptions -- one of which is "SwatKats". (my paragraph structure is way better after morning coffee...too bad I'm out.) __________________________________________________________________________ "Spies uncover stuff nobody knows about. Artists do the opposite" -- "Betty", 9/20/95 __________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Tue Sep 26 17:23:11 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA05669 for kats-ll; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:08:15 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA05664 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:08:13 -0400 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 26 Sep 95 13:44:35 -0500 Message-Id: <30684a1336ae002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 13:44:35 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Takeovers.... Content-Length: 340 Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Right now, Turner probably has access to more classic animation than Warners. Only now, Turner can access the _entire_ library of Warner shorts (and not just those sold to MGM that were later sold to Ted, i.e., the cartoons from 1932 to 1948). Likewise, Warners may have access to more cartoons for syndication on their TV network. -Tim From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 27 06:45:57 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA07112 for kats-ll; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:30:06 -0400 Received: from interramp.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA07107 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:30:04 -0400 Received: from us010700 by interramp.com (8.6.10/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id GAA22160; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:31:08 -0400 Received: by us010700 with Microsoft Mail id <01BA8C9A.675B5140@us010700>; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:30:49 -0500 Message-ID: <01BA8C9A.675B5140@us010700> From: Matthew Milam To: "'kats@lists.mv.com'" Subject: HI!!! Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:52:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net I have been hearing a lot about how this Turner merger could hurt are chances of renewing Swat Kats. From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 27 10:35:25 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA07444 for kats-ll; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:23:16 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA07439 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:23:10 -0400 Received: from d140.infoserve.net (d140.infoserve.net [199.175.157.140]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA15660 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:30:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 07:30:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199509271430.HAA15660@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Animato! article...first of a bunch... Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net As promised (because so far exactly 11 of our readers have managed to get the article), here's the first bit of Mark Lungo's article. When it's finished, you'll have a bunch of nifty background information and a complete episode guide - complete with letter grades - and margin kibbitzes by Lance Falk, "SwatKats" design team head. "Hanna-Barbera's flying, fighting felines are new cult favorites" by Mark Lungo You think living in New York or Los Angeles is tough? You should try Megakat City. This all-feline metropolis is constantly besieged by an endless parade of supervillains, monsters and alien invaders. The city's paramilitary police force, the Enforcers, led by the competent but small- minded Commander Feral, is rarely effective against these menaces. Even the two most powerful people in the city, Mayor Manx and Deputy Mayor Callie Briggs, are often personally threatened by these powerful foes. But there's no need to fear, at least as long as Jake Clawson and Chance Furlong, two ex-Enforcers turned mechanics-cum-junkmen, are around. When the city is endangered, Clawson and Furlong hurry to the hangar hidden beneath Jake and Chance's Garage and assume their secret identities of Razor and T-Bone, two daring and resourceful fighter pilots known as the SWAT Kats. Our heroes use their courage, their training, their wits, and a variety of high tech weapons and vehicles built from the military salvage they collect (most notably their heavily armed fighter jet, the Turbo Kat) to defeat the evildoers and restore peace to Megakat City -- at least until the next episode. "SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron" was originally created by the brothers Christian and Yvon Tremblay, two self-trained artists from Montreal. They initially conceived the SWAT Kats as two feline fighter pilots called "Chuck" and "Yeager" (after the legendary test pilot immortalized in "The Right Stuff") who fought supervillains and giant monsters and were friends with a police- woman. The brothers sold this idea to Hanna-Barbera, where a creative team headed by producer Davis Doi, story editor Glenn Leopold, design coordinator/writer Lance Falk (all veterans of previous H-B series) and director Robert Alvarez ( a Disney TV alumnus who directed every episode of "SWAT Kats") was assembled. The Tremblays, Doi, Leopold and various H-B art staffers held a series of developmental meetings, during which the SWAT Kats names were changed (T-Bone was almost called "Doomsday"), the policewoman was dropped (temporarily), and a new supporting cast was created. The Tremblays were kept on as creative consultants, and they continued to do artwork for the show. When the show's first 13 episodes began production, the animation duties were assigned to two Asian studios: Japan's Mook Co. Ltd. (who worked on four first season episodes: "The Pastmaster Always Rings Twice", "Night of the Dark Kat", "Metal Urgency" and "Katastrophe") and Taiwan's Hanho Heung-Up Co. Ltd. (who did the rest of the first season). "Secret Files of the SWAT Kats", a brief segment at the end of each episode, gave the audience information on the SWAT Kats, their weaponry and the villains they faced (as read by veteran announcer Ernie Anderson). Matt Muhoberac, John Zuker, Randall Crissman & Nick Brown contributed heavy metal-tinged theme and background music. (Crissman and Brown weren't credited on the first four episodes.) The first season theme includes harmonized guitar work influenced by Brian May of Queen. (Zuker: "They played some of the 'Flash Gordon soundtrack' that Brian May and Queen [composed]. [They wanted] the very heroic, anthem-like, but rock&roll kind of guitar that Brian May is known for.") SWAT Kats debuted on TBS cable and broadcast syndication as part of "The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera"'s 1993-94 lineup, along with another new creator-driven series, Donovan Cook's "Two Stupid Dogs", and reruns of "The Jetsons" and "Dastardly and Muttley". The SWAT Kats frequently triumphed against overwhelming odds, and so did the show that featured them. Despite intense competition (especially from the 800-pound gorilla called "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers") and less-than-ideal timeslots, SWAT Kats' first season was successful enough to warrant new episodes for 1994-95. Although most of the production crew stayed on, some changes were made. The producers of SWAT Kats were so impressed by Mook's animation that the company was hired to do the entire second season. The Tremblay's policewoman became Lt. Felina Feral (the Commander's niece), who was finally introduced as a major supporting character. A new opening sequence was created, complete with an even harder-edged theme song by Muhoberac, Zuker, Crissman & Brown. (Zuker: "As opposed to Queen, they wanted more Metallica and AC/DC...[something that would] still be melodic and something memorable, but a little more agressive.") The new opening replaced the old on some first season reruns. The voice actors' credits, which had always been individualized, now matched the actors' names to their characters. But not all the changes were good. After the first two episodes of the new season, the "Secret Files" were replaced by "Hanna-Barbera Video Trading Cards", which were mostly assemblages of clips from various H-B series (an interesting exception featured documentary shots of H-B employees at work, including SWAT Kats voice artist Lori Allen). Two of the half-hour episodes were divided into two 11-minute segments (a la "Gummi Bears"), but the short format made it difficult to introduce any complexity into the stories, and the result was a failed experiment. Then came the unprecedented announcement that SWAT Kats was ceasing production -- even though only 10 of the 13 episodes scheduled for the second year had been completed! Many of the artists working on the show were laid off. As for the last three episodes, they're in limbo: the scripts and storyboards are finished and the dialogue has been recorded, but Hanna-Barbera hasn't said when (or if) they'll ever reach the animation stage. The reason given for the cancellation was that SWAT Kats wasn't selling any merchandise. However, there's almost no SWAT Kats merchandise available (although an action figure line and a video game is scheduled for release later this year). It isn't the function of this article to comment on the skills of the Hanna-Barbera marketing staff, or the logic of punishing the SWAT Kats artists for mistakes made by other people. Besides, SWAT Kats is hardly the first show to suffer because of corporate mishandling -- just ask any fan of "Star Trek" or "The Outer Limits". But just as those two classics have returned, we can only hope that someday Hanna-Barbera will revive SWAT Kats just as it's revived so many of its other series. So why is SWAT Kats worth reviving? Why does it have a devoted cult following among adult animation fans? Why is it widely regarded as Hanna- Barbera's best action/adventure series since the original "Jonny Quest" and "Space Ghost"? And why take the time and trouble to write an article about it? Here are the reasons: ______________________whew...end of part one___________________ _____________________________________________________________ "I'm on the Internet...sometimes every day. I use it to plug in and feel the pulse of my audience. I think most producers used to wait for the fan mail to roll in. You don't need to do that anymore. There's instant communication with your audience. -- The "X-Files" Chris Carter _____________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 27 11:32:34 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA07579 for kats-ll; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:17:02 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA07574 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:16:57 -0400 Received: from d140.infoserve.net (d141.infoserve.net [199.175.157.141]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA17802 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:24:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:24:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199509271524.IAA17802@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Re: Takeovers.... Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >>1932 to 1948). Likewise, Warners may have access to more cartoons for >syndication on their TV network. I hadn't thought of that..."can't see the forest for the trees" sorta deal, I guess. I wonder if Kids WB could be convinced to adopt the Kats??! Hmm... why not ask? (...thus forms a plan..) _____________________________________________________________ "I'm on the Internet...sometimes every day. I use it to plug in and feel the pulse of my audience. I think most producers used to wait for the fan mail to roll in. You don't need to do that anymore. There's instant communication with your audience. -- The "X-Files" Chris Carter _____________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 27 11:52:39 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA07589 for kats-ll; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:17:49 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA07584 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 11:17:47 -0400 Received: from d140.infoserve.net (d141.infoserve.net [199.175.157.141]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA17815 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:24:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:24:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199509271524.IAA17815@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Re: HI!!! Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >I have been hearing a lot about how this Turner merger could hurt are chances of renewing Swat Kats. "Hurt"? No, I rather think the opposite. This year, WBA scrambled to flesh out ANIMX by rescuing some old scripts that had gone to storyboards already but left on the shelf. They have a bit of an ac/adv hole at the moment (BTAS is still on Fox, after all) and Superman won't air until at least 96 or 97. Kats could provide them with a popular ac/adv show, _and_ they'd almost inherit new episodes without having to spend the money to create scripts, boards and the voice track -- all they'd have to do would be to send the stuff overseas to get finished. They'd then have 27 eps of a popular action-adventure show to fill up a weekly slot (*when* one of the current offerings croaks) for next to no outlay. Kats could give a boost to Warners - as at the moment they don't have anything to offer to counteract DTV's "Gargoyles" on their own networks. Kats and Gargs are both arguably furry ac-adv, and despite the fact I like them both, I suspect myself and many others would like Kats better. If you put yourself in Warners shoes, Gargs has 65 eps for DA and syndicated airings, whereas Warners has precisely what? BTAS is under contract to Fox. "SwatKats" wasn't seen in much of the country (not in Canada whatsoever), so from the perspective of a lot of the potential WBN audience, the show would almost be "new". It's a stretch, and a leap of faith on the part of Warners, but stranger things have happened (it's fairly obvious Ted doesn't give a damn about it...). _____________________________________________________________ "I'm on the Internet...sometimes every day. I use it to plug in and feel the pulse of my audience. I think most producers used to wait for the fan mail to roll in. You don't need to do that anymore. There's instant communication with your audience. -- The "X-Files" Chris Carter _____________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 27 22:07:22 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA09137 for kats-ll; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:53:59 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA09132 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:53:57 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA03609 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:55:05 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id UAA10832; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:52:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:52:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@bort.mv.net Cc: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Okay guys... In-Reply-To: <199509271430.HAA15660@unix.infoserve.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net With all this transfering of power going on, and I wanting to do my part, who is it safe to write too? With, uh...slight reproaches and such. I want to add my contribution to this most worthy cause. but I don't want to accidentally send it to the wrong people. Yeah, I would LOVE that, a ...comment on cancelled show that I have nothing to do with. Or is it still relevent? Will I just be thrown away like an old shoe and ignored like yesterdays tuna? -Wanting to be a part in the SWAT Kats revival!!! Niki From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 27 22:48:11 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA09254 for kats-ll; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:30:26 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA09249 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:30:22 -0400 Received: from d153.infoserve.net (d153.infoserve.net [199.175.157.153]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA26824 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:37:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:37:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199509280237.TAA26824@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Re: Okay guys... Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net > >With all this transfering of power going on, and I wanting to do my part, >who is it safe to write too? With, uh...slight reproaches and such. I >want to add my contribution to this most worthy cause. but I don't want >to accidentally send it to the wrong people. Yeah, I would LOVE that, a >...comment on cancelled show that I have nothing to do with. >Or is it still relevent? Will I just be thrown away like an old shoe and >ignored like yesterdays tuna? I wondered about that the other day. Jerry Beck said that Fred Seibert actually championed the show in the face of the TPS overlords, so may have been on our side regarding the cancellation. He still ignored all of our mail and Christian's phone calls...but maybe he has a wife and kids to feed. Anyway, for the benefit of later arrivals: We were told to write concerns/comments/complaints to Fred Seibert directly (he's the President of H-B, in case you didn't know). Here's the address: Fred Seibert c/o Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. Hollywood, CA 90068 We won't know anything about a new command structure for decisions (if any) for at least a week or so. The above address is still the best (or fax at 213-969-1201). _____________________________________________________________ "I'm on the Internet...sometimes every day. I use it to plug in and feel the pulse of my audience. I think most producers used to wait for the fan mail to roll in. You don't need to do that anymore. There's instant communication with your audience. -- The "X-Files" Chris Carter _____________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Wed Sep 27 23:33:34 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA09366 for kats-ll; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:15:00 -0400 Received: from mercury.unt.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA09361 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:14:58 -0400 Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA05565 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:16:06 -0500 Received: (from nvb0001@localhost) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id WAA28378; Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:13:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:13:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicole Virginia Boultinghouse To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Okay guys... In-Reply-To: <199509280237.TAA26824@unix.infoserve.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Thank you for the address. I will go ahead and type something up while I am here, and either mail or fax it when I can. I'll even keep it on disk in case we get a new address in the next few weeks >:) BTW I would like to thank everyone for their help. I finally found a lab that would let me read the archives and am heartily enjoying getting caught up. It WAS Word that finally worked. Ah me, I love cyberspace. Thanks again, you'll be hearing from me again!! Niki From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 28 09:47:06 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA10443 for kats-ll; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:44:37 -0400 Received: from fsac5.pica.army.mil by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA10438 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:44:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 9:44:31 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: Okay guys... Message-ID: <9509280944.aa15431@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net >With all this transfering of power going on, and I wanting to do my part, >who is it safe to write too? With, uh...slight reproaches and such. I >want to add my contribution to this most worthy cause. but I don't want >to accidentally send it to the wrong people. Yeah, I would LOVE that, a >...comment on cancelled show that I have nothing to do with. >Or is it still relevent? Will I just be thrown away like an old shoe and >ignored like yesterdays tuna? I think Andy posted the appropriate address already. I'm just writing to encourage you to write. Please do! Letters are not discarded, nor are they in vain. Every letter a TV station, production house, etc., gets represents the views of a large number of other people who felt the same way, but didn't care enough to write or couldn't find an address. I've read that each letter is counted as representing up to a hundred people with similar feelings (but I can't vouch for that). As an example, I frequently wrote to a video distributor asking for more eps of a favorite series. And I repeatedly suggested that two particular eps be released together on one tape (two eps per tape being the norm), as IMHO they were the best in the series. When new videos came out, those two eps were among them, and were on one tape. I don't know that one gadfly like me convinced them, but those letters must have had some effect, and I know I'm not alone. So letters do count! Write them! I'll be sending yet another to H-B myself. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil Oculis numquam claudentibus From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 28 11:20:32 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA10594 for kats-ll; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:08:25 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA10589 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:08:22 -0400 Received: from d141.infoserve.net (d141.infoserve.net [199.175.157.141]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA23014 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:16:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:16:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199509281516.IAA23014@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Re: Okay guys... Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Nicole wrote: >>Or is it still relevent? Will I just be thrown away like an old shoe and >>ignored like yesterdays tuna? Then >I think Andy posted the appropriate address already. I'm just >writing to encourage you to write. Please do! Letters are not >discarded, nor are they in vain. Every letter a TV station, >production house, etc., gets represents the views of a large number >of other people who felt the same way, but didn't care enough to >write or couldn't find an address. I've read that each letter is >counted as representing up to a hundred people with similar feelings >(but I can't vouch for that). > >As an example, I frequently wrote to a video distributor asking for >more eps of a favorite series. And I repeatedly suggested that two >particular eps be released together on one tape (two eps per tape >being the norm), as IMHO they were the best in the series. When new >videos came out, those two eps were among them, and were on one >tape. I don't know that one gadfly like me convinced them, but those >letters must have had some effect, and I know I'm not alone. > >So letters do count! Write them! I'll be sending yet another to H-B >myself. > > > > >Ed Rudnicki >erudnick@pica.army.mil >Oculis numquam claudentibus > > _____________________________________________________________ "I'm on the Internet...sometimes every day. I use it to plug in and feel the pulse of my audience. I think most producers used to wait for the fan mail to roll in. You don't need to do that anymore. There's instant communication with your audience. -- The "X-Files" Chris Carter _____________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Thu Sep 28 11:35:38 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA10601 for kats-ll; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:08:32 -0400 Received: from unix.infoserve.net by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA10596 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:08:29 -0400 Received: from d141.infoserve.net (d141.infoserve.net [199.175.157.141]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA23017 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:16:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:16:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199509281516.IAA23017@unix.infoserve.net> X-Sender: chance@unix.infoserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@bort.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (chance) Subject: Re: Okay guys... Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Nicole wrote: >>Or is it still relevent? Will I just be thrown away like an old shoe and >>ignored like yesterdays tuna? and Ed Rudnicki wrote: >I think Andy posted the appropriate address already. I'm just >writing to encourage you to write. Please do! Letters are not >discarded, nor are they in vain. Every letter a TV station, >production house, etc., gets represents the views of a large number >of other people who felt the same way, but didn't care enough to >write or couldn't find an address. I've read that each letter is >counted as representing up to a hundred people with similar feelings >(but I can't vouch for that). >So letters do count! Write them! I'll be sending yet another to H-B >myself. Ed must write rather well, because he's had three of his letters make it to the pages of "Animation Magazine" where I've yet to get one! Apologies if I left the impression it wouldn't do any good -- of course it does. Letters to H-B used to get 11 copies of 'em made; distribution of which included Christian/Yvon Tremblay, Fred Seibert, Victoria McCollum, Davis Doi, and a whack of others up and down the TPS corporate ladder. They changed fan- mail handling at H-B in March (the volume was getting out of hand), and now "Classic Cartoons" is responsible for it - compiling the age, sex, comments of the various correspondents and entering them into the H-B database. I would think that thousands of Kats letters would send up a flare even to those in Atlanta who rarely glance at the sky. Anyway, three of us who wrote in during the early part of the year received a telephone call from Davis Doi, the SwatKats producer, in response to their letter. Um, for those of you who haven't already figured it out.. this kind of thing just _doesn't_ happen...ever. Earlier I encouraged people to send duplicate letters to other names than Fred in the building...I've done it a few times already, and I'm going to keep doing it (every two-three weeks usually, just to keep up my rep as a pest...). Just stick duplicate copies of your Kats comments in separate envelopes..same address, but "attention:" to these folks: Davis Doi, SwatKats producer (who all the departed artists/writers adore...) Buzz Potemkin, Executive Producer Glenn Leopold, Story Editor The ABC series "My So Called Life" was almost brought back by fan mail, but other factors killed it off at the time of its imminent resurrection. "Beauty and the Beast" had a stay of execution for the same reason. You could also make yourself heard to the Ted himself: Turner Program Services 1 CNN Center Box 105366 Atlanta, GA 30348-5366 ...and, if you want, you can tell TBS what you think of the aviation-challenged Fat Cat displacing our Kats by writing to them at: TBS Superstation 1050 Techwood Dr. NW Atlanta, GA 30318-5264 Just write what you think....they sure know what *I* think. _____________________________________________________________ "I'm on the Internet...sometimes every day. I use it to plug in and feel the pulse of my audience. I think most producers used to wait for the fan mail to roll in. You don't need to do that anymore. There's instant communication with your audience. -- The "X-Files" Chris Carter _____________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sat Sep 30 22:03:19 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA17531 for kats-ll; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:54:31 -0400 Received: from bos1h.delphi.com by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA17526 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:54:29 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V5.0-5 #10880) id <01HVWHPHBJNQ8Y7T9F@delphi.com> for kats@bort.mv.net; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: New gif! To: kats@bort.mv.net Message-id: <01HVWHPHBJNS8Y7T9F@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@bort.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Hello all! I've posted a new pic to the newsgroup using my other online account at MSN. Please check it out & let me know what you think. Oh, by the way, it's called "w-chance.gif". -Matt From owner-kats@bort.mv.net Sun Oct 1 10:48:16 1995 Received: by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA18695 for kats-ll; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 10:43:13 -0400 Received: from leo.nmc.edu by bort.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA18690 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 10:43:07 -0400 Received: by leo.nmc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA07457; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 10:45:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 10:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ARTHUR JOHN FREDA To: kats@bort.mv.net Subject: Re: New gif! In-Reply-To: <01HVWHPHBJNS8Y7T9F@delphi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@bort.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@bort.mv.net Matt- I use a college freeport and I can not access newsgroups. Is it possible you could post it in the rat.org ftp drawn area? (Or whatever catagory it wouls fit in.) ARTHUR JOHN FREDA ah518@leo.nmc.edu It's a bird! It's a plane! It's TAILS! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Tails" on FunkyChat and HappyChat On Sat, 30 Sep 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Hello all! > I've posted a new pic to the newsgroup using my other online > account at MSN. Please check it out & let me know what you > think. Oh, by the way, it's called "w-chance.gif". > > -Matt >