From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 1 01:19:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA15715 for kats-ll; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:57:12 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 00:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTJGIHVBH49OFGJL@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Does Tower Records except visa from an out of stater? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 1 07:19:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA17530 for kats-ll; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:06:58 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9508010706.ZM23919@tekdev-10> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:06:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: WKOZIOL@delphi.com "Re: The Videos" (Aug 1, 12:56am) References: <01HTJGIHVBH49OFGJL@delphi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Aug 1, 12:56am, WKOZIOL@delphi.com wrote: > Subject: Re: The Videos > Does Tower Records except visa from an out of stater? >-- End of excerpt from WKOZIOL@delphi.com As far as I know they do. You may be able to do mail order from them. Being local, I have never asked. The Tower I went to is in Carl Place, NY. Information should provide you with the phone number. I don't have it recorded or I would gladly give it to you. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 1 11:49:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA19667 for kats-ll; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:44:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > I had never seen it before either. And whenver I see one I hadn't seen > before, I keep saying "wow! This is a good espisode!", then after a few > seconds. "wait a minute.. They're all good!". I almost wanna cry when I think > that they are probably wont be any new ones. Yes, but that's what's great about a free-market economy. Mouse can put whatever it wants on the tube and not have to worry because "if it's isney, it's good"; Turner has no such luxury given H-B's history. Strategy-wise, they're not doing too badly, as the show only just now is being exposed to whole new audiences in the new TCN slot, and the later TBS one. I just had two surprising e-mails from my main SK-detractors on rec.arts.animation saying "just saw one of the Mook eps - forget everything negative I've ever said about the show!". I expect similar revelations are occurring elsewhere less-vocally. If Turnerco _was_ thinking about a revival of the series, this would be the way to go about it, with some announcement timed just before Christmas. There's a few things that point to something like this occurring; TBS and TCN timeslot change with the new ads, the advanced state of completion of the extraneous three eps, the _lousy_ ratings of much of their current stuff, and the fact that changing the focus of the WPT's to be "breeding ground" for new series pilots indicates they're looking for something to originate/produce again. Wishful thinking on my part perhaps, but there it is. Tim Fay "El-Kabong'd" me with a comment mentioning that not _everybody_ "universally detests" the WPT's - but aside from the same few that everyone mentions, everyone _I've_ talked to (that wasn't scared of commenting) both inside and outside the industry thinks that pursuing the WPT's at the exclusion of "other projects" (SK,etc) is a bad move for H-B, and may kill them. Turner tries to address that by mining the WPT's for possible series pilots? Throw this man a clue. (Just heard that Buzz Potamkin may have a lot to do with this - throw _this_ man a clue too...) _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 1 22:23:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA26770 for kats-ll; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:53:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199508020153.VAA23145@interramp.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 19:50:48 +0000 Subject: Ted's big problem... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Cbs was recently bought buy Westinghouse and Abc was bought buy disney, both of these things happened today. Guess what Ted Turner did before them in 1985: he tried to BUY CBS!!!!!!!!!! It's seems that Ted can't make peace with anyone the past and the present. Oh, i've been wanting to send a letter to ted about his decison to cancell Swat Kats: were do i write now, because of all the personal changes. May the Power Protect you!!!!!!!!!!- Zordon From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 1 23:20:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA27327 for kats-ll; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:59:48 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 22:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTKQOF99828Y532Z@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Can you give me the phone number to Towers so I can call them via phone or better yet give me their fax number instead, thanks. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 1 23:50:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA27697 for kats-ll; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 23:48:05 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 23:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTKSCMO1028Y532Z@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Get back in touch with me in a couple of days cause I have to search through my 2.4gig hd to find the info. I got so many different text files on the situation of the SWAT Kats and some on what other people's feedback on some of the shows. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 2 07:19:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA00250 for kats-ll; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:06:49 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9508020705.ZM27623@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:05:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: WKOZIOL@delphi.com "Re: The Videos" (Aug 1, 10:59pm) References: <01HTKQOF99828Y532Z@delphi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Aug 1, 10:59pm, WKOZIOL@delphi.com wrote: > Subject: Re: The Videos > Can you give me the phone number to Towers so I can call them via phone or > better yet give me their fax number instead, thanks. > >-- End of excerpt from WKOZIOL@delphi.com The phone for Tower is 516-873-1010. Information doesn't list fax numbers. Hope this helps. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 2 07:30:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA00279 for kats-ll; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:14:19 -0400 From: SkyKit@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:13:37 -0400 Message-Id: <950802071336_46113940@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Subj: Re: The Videos Date: 95-08-01 07:25:00 EDT From: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net From: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com (Mitch Botwin) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Reply-to: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net On Aug 1, 12:56am, WKOZIOL@delphi.com wrote: > Subject: Re: The Videos > Does Tower Records except visa from an out of stater? >-- End of excerpt from WKOZIOL@delphi.com >As far as I know they do. You may be able to do mail order from them. Being local, I have never asked. The Tower I went to is in Carl Place, NY. Information should provide you with the phone number. I don't have it recorded or I would gladly give it to you. Tower's mail order dept can be accessed by calling 1-800-Ask-tower. Only thing is, I've only called the number once in regards to a music selection, so I'm not entirely certain if the number can be used for video ordering as well. Well at any rate, even if it isn't (though I don't see how, since it's 'tower' which would include 'tower music' and 'tower video' and not just 'tower music') someone there should be able to steer you the right way. Be prepared to wait for a little bit though as they're usually busy. Hope this helps. Hey Mitch, the nearest Tower to me is in Carle Place as well. Where exactly do you live? -Skykit. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 2 07:49:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA00379 for kats-ll; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:37:54 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9508020736.ZM27725@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:36:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: SkyKit@aol.com "Re: The Videos" (Aug 2, 7:13am) References: <950802071336_46113940@aol.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Aug 2, 7:13am, SkyKit@aol.com wrote: > Subject: Re: The Videos > Subj: Re: The Videos > Date: 95-08-01 07:25:00 EDT > From: kats@sard.mv.net > To: kats@sard.mv.net > > From: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com (Mitch Botwin) > Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net > Reply-to: kats@sard.mv.net > To: kats@sard.mv.net > On Aug 1, 12:56am, WKOZIOL@delphi.com wrote: > > Subject: Re: The Videos > > Does Tower Records except visa from an out of stater? > >-- End of excerpt from WKOZIOL@delphi.com > > >As far as I know they do. You may be able to do mail order from them. Being > local, I have never asked. The Tower I went to is in Carl Place, NY. > Information should provide you with the phone number. I don't have it > recorded > or I would gladly give it to you. > > Tower's mail order dept can be accessed by calling 1-800-Ask-tower. > Only thing is, I've only called the number once in regards to a music > selection, so I'm not entirely certain if the number can be used for video > ordering as well. Well at any rate, even if it isn't (though I don't see how, > since it's 'tower' which would include 'tower music' and 'tower video' and > not just 'tower music') someone there should be able to steer you the right > way. Be prepared to wait for a little bit though as they're usually busy. > Hope this helps. Hey Mitch, the nearest Tower to me is in Carle Place as > well. Where exactly do you live? -Skykit. >-- End of excerpt from SkyKit@aol.com I live in Merrick. I thought I was the only one on line this early in the morn. I tend to spend this time catching up on all the late night comments. I start work at 7:00am, which I prefer, as its quiet and management doesn't show for hours. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 2 11:28:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA02548 for kats-ll; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:05:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... To: kats@sard.mv.net cc: alt.tv.swatkats@unix.infoserve.net In-Reply-To: <199508020153.VAA23145@interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sat, 12 Feb 1994, Matthew Milam wrote: > It's seems that Ted can't make peace with anyone the past and the > present. > > Oh, i've been wanting to send a letter to ted about his decison to > cancell Swat Kats: were do i write now, because of all the personal > changes. Ted Turner directly can be reached at: Turner Entertainment Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 1 CNN Center 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. BOX 105366 Hollywood, CA Atlanta, GA or 90068 30348-5366 Attn: Fred Seibert Attn: Ted Turner _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 2 11:51:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA03068 for kats-ll; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:42:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 10:42:22 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508021542.AA24992@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Ted Turner directly can be reached at: Could some of the more experienced in dealing with Ted on this subject advice as to the best way to get a letter as far up the chain of command as possible?? I seem to remember it being said that if the envelope has the words SwatKats on it, it gets put in the round file. Has anyone had any response from the company that would indicate Ted actual snuggled up next to Jane and discussed their letter over herbal tea and health food?? Makes you wonder how many people that are just now getting into SK, are writing to the address at the end of the show. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 2 12:21:16 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA03207 for kats-ll; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:53:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... In-Reply-To: <9508021542.AA24992@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > as possible?? I seem to remember it being said that if the envelope has > the words SwatKats on it, it gets put in the round file. Has anyone I have not heard of this. Is this true? If that's true, then they are blind. Or maybe it's too painful for them to have to think about what a big mistake they made. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 3 01:20:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA12699 for kats-ll; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:11:32 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 01:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTM9LF531490NE54@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Thanks, and by the way it sure does help!!! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 3 01:29:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA12735 for kats-ll; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:14:21 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 01:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTM9MXW5M690NE54@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Thanks and it sure does help me. Isn't it nice that I'm helping in bringing two friends together that shares the same exact interest as one another. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 3 08:49:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15471 for kats-ll; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:45:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 07:45:18 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508031245.AA06358@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, it looks as though anyone in Southern Illinois "should" be able to get the 3 videos after Sun. Aug. 6. Due to poor renting, the only video store that I've found that has them will be putting their 4 copies of each up for sale. I went in to see if I could get the manager to special order them for me, and she said no, but wait till Sun. Not sure if she said that so they could get the money or what. What is the suggested retail on the tapes?? Their selling the pre-viewed tapes for $5.99. The only thing that makes me feel bad here is that Ted will neve know he had an extra sale. Actually, if I ever find the tapes on the shelf, I may pick them up for the inserts, if there are any. Ian --anyone in the area, that is interested in the tapes, e-mail me and I'll give you directions to the video store. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 3 10:20:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA16128 for kats-ll; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:56:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > > > as possible?? I seem to remember it being said that if the envelope has > > the words SwatKats on it, it gets put in the round file. Has anyone > > I have not heard of this. Is this true? > If that's true, then they are blind. Or maybe it's too painful for them > to have to think about what a big mistake they made. Okay, originally (according to Victoria McCollum, SwatKats Unit Production person) 11 copies of every fan letter got generated. One went to "fan-mail", one to Christian/Yvon Tremblay, one to Davis Doi (the producer) and the rest went to various H-B and Turner Programming Services divisions including Marketing. Every letter sent to Hanna-Barbera according to the instructions tacked onto the end of Kats episodes aired on TBS was responded to with a form letter and a Kats sticker, in a "SwatKats Headquarters" envelope, until about mid-94 when they stopped for whatever reason. Fan-mail sent there since has been accumulating in boxes, and they couldn't keep up. Realizing there was a problem, the whole fan-mail operation was handed to Mark Hughes and Micheal Diaz of Hanna-Barbera's "Classic Cartoons" division, who told me that "there's no room in the budget for someone to do it full time, but if people can be bothered to write to us, you can be sure we'll try to reply". The current setup involves the letters being entered into the Hanna-Barbera database, with a few copies generated to concerned parties (like the Tremblays). When I last spoke to them, they had about 5,000 letters entered into the system concerning various Hanna-Barbera properties, and had "boxes and boxes" of unopened mail. Through the grapevine, I hear that only now some of these letters are surfacing on H-B desks from January. Letters addressed to Hanna-Barbera as noted on the "Tell us what you think" bit go _directly_ to the fan-mail boxes at "Classic". Someone I talked to over there told me that a number of people are upset about Kats, and to write Seibert _directly_. I mentioned that someone else in the building told me that "he's ditching his mail in the fan-mail basket", to which came the reply "of course he is...". The thing is, if he ignores the mail because he suspects what the contents are, then it's not really a loss, huh? The comments still (eventually) get entered into the H-B computer, and you may even get a reply from Davis Doi like someone recently did. The "CNN Center" address is the headquarters of Turner Programming Systems, Turner Entertainment, WCW Wrestling, and CNN itself. It's a general mail-drop, and I can't vouch for it's effectiveness in reaching Ted himself. What I've had happen on previous occasions is the mail will get to a secretary, and get bumped up to the next level if it contains anything of interest, then either read to, paraphrased to, or read by the intended recipient. The thing that's puzzling me at the moment is the fact our phone calls aren't being returned. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 3 10:50:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA16498 for kats-ll; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:41:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9508031245.AA06358@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Well, it looks as though anyone in Southern Illinois "should" be > able to get the 3 videos after Sun. Aug. 6. Due to poor renting, > the only video store that I've found that has them will be putting > their 4 copies of each up for sale. I went in to see if I could get "Due to poor renting". Unreal. No press, no advertising, no promotion of any kind, and now the Turner powers that be will use the poor sales and rental figures to justify a self-fulfilling prophecy. Too many people in postions of power within TPS don't give a damn about SwatKats. Why don't these people die off or become victims of some other kind of natural attrition and make way for someone who _cares_ about programs like the Kats? > The only thing that makes me feel bad here is that Ted will neve know > he had an extra sale. Actually, if I ever find the tapes on the shelf, > I may pick them up for the inserts, if there are any. I'd heard that the selling price of the cassettes is 12.99, but I could be wrong. The rental versions aren't likely to have the extra stuff that the sale versions do. (I wish I had access to the media above "letters to the editor". I'd do some ad-work that'd _really_ make Ted's boys reach for the Scotch bottle...) _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 3 11:49:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA16860 for kats-ll; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:26:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 10:26:09 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508031526.AA07830@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net > Due to poor renting, > the only video store that I've found that has them will be putting > "Due to poor renting". Unreal. No press, no advertising, no >promotion of any kind, and now the Turner powers that be will use the >poor sales and rental figures to justify a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. The video store is privately owned and they decided the rentals weren't going out quick enough. Although all this does fall back on Ted Inc. because of the reasons Andy mentioned. BTW the cover and back art are awesome. The rougher look of the guys on the back is just too damn tough!!! > I'd heard that the selling price of the cassettes is 12.99, but I >could be wrong. The rental versions aren't likely to have the extra >stuff that the sale versions do. Yeah, but like everyone has said try and find the darn things!!! Now, I'm waiting to hear that after shipping a few cases of toys Remco was ordered to cancel the line, because no one bought them in the first day. Actually, how many people will even know there out there without a few commercials. Before long the Kats will be hangiong next to "The Skeleton Warriors" on the clearance rack. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 3 13:19:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18350 for kats-ll; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:15:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 12:15:11 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508031715.AA08784@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Does the heart good...... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net As I reported last week the local K-Mart had gotten a new shipment of some toys in on that Tues. Went back last night for a quick once over in hopes of spotting a couple of things. But what I saw left me speachless, they had marked all the Capt. Planet down to $2.50. I nearly broke into tears ;-> I guess there is some justice in this world. It didn't appear that a single figure had moved from the peg in a week. Thank goodness that Ted is the only one that can stand that garbage. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 4 10:49:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA00231 for kats-ll; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:29:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 09:29:27 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508041429.AA19841@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Anyone more deserving?? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Just saw in the paper that all around good guy The TED (Turner) received a lifetime Achievement Award from the Television Critics Association. CAn't imagine anyone who deserves it more ;-> Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 4 19:20:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA07416 for kats-ll; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:06:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 19:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Does the heart good...... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTOPFTVBA691WU84@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >in hopes of spotting a couple of things. But what I saw left me >speachless, they had marked all the Capt. Planet down to $2.50. I >nearly broke into tears ;-> I guess there is some justice in this >world. It didn't appear that a single figure had moved from the >peg in a week. Thank goodness that Ted is the only one that can >stand that garbage. Hmmm.. I wonder what the Planeteers would say to Ted for polluting the world with useless plastic toys that no one will buy? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 4 19:27:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA07366 for kats-ll; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:01:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 19:01:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: The Videos To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTOPA0092091WU84@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net *The videos are in fact $12.99 each. *Each tape comes with a small sheet of temporary tattoos, unfortunately ALL the videos have EXACTLY the same tattoo sheet. *Each tape comes with a $5 coupon for the SNES game from Hudson Soft. >Now, I'm waiting to hear that after shipping a few cases of toys >Remco was ordered to cancel the line, because no one bought them OH $%!# !! > Before long the Kats will be hangiong next to "The Skeleton >Warriors" on the clearance rack. Well, I guess first they must _be_ in the stores before they can be put on the clearance rack -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 4 20:19:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA07928 for kats-ll; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 20:12:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 20:11:10 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Does the heart good...... Message-ID: <9508042011.aa00601@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >>in hopes of spotting a couple of things. But what I saw left me >>speachless, they had marked all the Capt. Planet down to $2.50. I >>nearly broke into tears ;-> I guess there is some justice in this >>world. It didn't appear that a single figure had moved from the >>peg in a week. Thank goodness that Ted is the only one that can >>stand that garbage. > >Hmmm.. I wonder what the Planeteers would say to Ted for polluting >the world with useless plastic toys that no one will buy? I wonder if the CP figures have little "recycling" marks molded onto their butts, for when they (inevitably) get chucked :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply No good deed _ever_ goes unpunished. -- Unknown wise man "Do guns make you nervous?" "Guns have their uses. Idiots with guns make me nervous" --- CB, DW5 From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 4 22:49:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA09030 for kats-ll; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:42:51 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <3022da7d6c90002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 21:42:05 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Does the heart good...... Content-Length: 662 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Ed Rudnicki wrote: >Matt Weber wrote: >>Hmmm.. I wonder what the Planeteers would say to Ted for polluting >>the world with useless plastic toys that no one will buy? >I wonder if the CP figures have little "recycling" marks molded onto >their butts, for when they (inevitably) get chucked :) Ironically, the kind of plastic used in "action figures" isn't recyclable. And plastic recycling itself is a misnomer since plastic is never recycled, i.e., turned into what it was before. "Recycled" plastic has very limited uses and eventually winds up incinerated or in a landfill. Tsk, tsk. What _would_ the Planeteers have to say about that. :-) -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 5 21:50:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA16820 for kats-ll; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:43:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 21:43:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: New fanart available! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTQ981T87291X0J5@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net New image available on the ftp site "pumadyne.rat.org" in "/pub/kats/images/drawn" Please, please give me feedback! Thanks! CALLIEDM.GIF 43797 bytes by Matt Weber 8.2.95 467 x 484 x 256 GIF image (matt_w@delphi.com) Howdy! This image is a teaser for a *much* larger picture I am currently working on. It will feature Callie (of course), Jake, Chance, and perhaps one other character (I haven't decided yet). This image is a picture of Callie Briggs, Deputy Mayor of Megakat City from the animated series "SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron". Catch the show on TBS & The Cartoon Network (also check local listings). For more information, check out the following: usenet: alt.tv.swatkats +This image is freely distributable as long as it has not been modified. +Feel free to send any comments or suggestions to the address above! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 6 02:20:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA21210 for kats-ll; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 02:12:50 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0seyxE-000AxaC;Sun, 6.Aug.95.02.12.EDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 02:12:55 -29900 From: "S.W.A.T. Kats Mailing List" Subject: Re: Does the heart good...... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HTOPFTVBA691WU84@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > >in hopes of spotting a couple of things. But what I saw left me > >speachless, they had marked all the Capt. Planet down to $2.50. I > >nearly broke into tears ;-> I guess there is some justice in this > >world. It didn't appear that a single figure had moved from the > >peg in a week. Thank goodness that Ted is the only one that can > >stand that garbage. > > Hmmm.. I wonder what the Planeteers would say to Ted for polluting > the world with useless plastic toys that no one will buy? > Planeteers: "Mr. Turner, you're polluting!" T. Turner: "But I own your copyright!" Planeteers: "Oh." :-) /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 6 09:50:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA22874 for kats-ll; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:46:11 -0400 From: "Dr. Samuel Conway" Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 09:45:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199508061345.JAA02509@unix1.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Bright and Shiny Future Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I just caught "A Bright and Shiny Future" for the first time; don't know how I missed it. This one was impressive! Feral with the big bald spot. Callie having aged gracefully. Manx flirting with senility (er, moreso than usual). It kept me appropriately glued to the screen, despite the fact I'd intended to go into the lab early today. Now, what struck me was the "Write and tell us what you think" bit at the end. They're still running this, it seems. Is it just force of habit, or do they really want to hear what we think? If so, I'll write another letter, for goodness' sake! Or is it just a waste of toner cartridge? Is all hope lost now that the Kats will ever be back in production? I imagine, too, that an episode guide exists -- with this crew, surely someone would have put one together. All right, where is it? ----- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Staff Up Early on Sunday Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 6 18:51:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA26296 for kats-ll; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:30:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future In-Reply-To: <199508061345.JAA02509@unix1.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sun, 6 Aug 1995, Dr. Samuel Conway wrote: > I imagine, too, that an episode guide exists -- with this crew, surely someone > would have put one together. All right, where is it? Someone did put together a list of the episodes along with a short description of each. It's on the FTP site. rat.org /pub/kats/episodes.txt ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org/rat | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 00:50:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA28540 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 00:27:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 21:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199508061345.JAA02509@unix1.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sun, 6 Aug 1995, Dr. Samuel Conway wrote: > Now, what struck me was the "Write and tell us what you think" bit at the > end. They're still running this, it seems. Is it just force of habit, or do > they really want to hear what we think? If so, I'll write another letter, > for goodness' sake! Or is it just a waste of toner cartridge? Is all hope > lost now that the Kats will ever be back in production? People - write-write-write! Someone on the newsgroup "rec.arts.animation" who normally falls into the "adversary" category also happens to write for various toon publications. She noted all my SwatKats noise on r.a.a. and made it a point of asking the H-B crew at SanDiego Comicon about SwatKats. Guess what the response was? "If there is enough fan demand SwatKats will go back into production". Wow. After I catch up on my e-mail after my five day absence, I'll "demand" quite a bit. > > I imagine, too, that an episode guide exists -- with this crew, surely someone > would have put one together. All right, where is it? There are two, and I have another. The first is the Mike Swanigan version in "Toon" magazine from some time back - the episode descriptions are almost copied verbatim from Lance Falk's ep descriptions. The second is in the current "Animato!" magazine (I _still_ haven't got my ten copies...sigh.). I believe Dana has the "Toon" version saved to a file. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 09:20:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA01534 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:15:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 95 08:15:06 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508071315.AA26613@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net > "If there is enough fan demand SwatKats will go back into production". > Wow. After I catch up on my e-mail after my five day absence, I'll >"demand" quite a bit. If this is the case, then who's to say who will be in charge of it. I thought it was reported a while back that everyone has moved on to other projects/companies, and the Trembley Bros. were on to other things. This could have been the "big picture" all along, get rid of the high cost creators and keep the show (always look at the negative ;->) Plus I can't imagine the brothers coming back without a little hesitation of getting burnt again. I would almost prefer the show end on the upnote it was, then turn into the creeping death of Ren & Stimpy. So my vote goes like this, if you can get most of the original crew back, great, lets do it. But if it's going to be a bunch of CApt. Planet rejects, let sleeping kats lie. BTW, notice how much commercial time "Swan Princess" is getting for its video release. It's a Turner!!! Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 09:33:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA01386 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:07:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 95 9:07:08 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future Message-ID: <9508070907.aa01489@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >I just caught "A Bright and Shiny Future" for the first time; don't know how >I missed it. Ditto. Great episode - yet again. >This one was impressive! Feral with the big bald spot. Callie having aged >gracefully. Manx flirting with senility (er, moreso than usual). It kept >me appropriately glued to the screen, despite the fact I'd intended to go into >the lab early today. Yes, Callie looked wonderful, and obviously never gave up hope. Felina was the same way, still standing tall. I like characters like this. Feral seemed a bit beaten down, but by no means defeated. I think I rather liked him here. Manx I wouldn't descibe as senile, but rather in some sort of reality denial - he can't accept what's happened. Sort of like Mario Cuomo when he didn't get re-elected Governor of NY :) I noticed something else here, which I wish to ask about. In the scene where the people are fleeing the robots, there's a _very_ pretty female Kat with a baby running along. She's very well drawn. She also appears, again with the baby, in "The Ghost Pilot", in the scene where Manx is selling hot dogs. I can't help but wonder if this is an "inside joke", and this Kat is supposed to be someone real. I saw the same thing in TLM, where a "background" couple is rendered far more accurately than the other "background" characters, and appears in three episodes. I know that the animators at WB do this too, as a WBer who defected to Disney told me so. Yes, I tape each episode, and still frame through them as needed. I also note that associating with furry fans is having an effect on me, though not to the point that it distracts me from a certain mermaid :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply No good deed _ever_ goes unpunished. -- Unknown wise man "See these tears so blue - an ageless heart that can never mend. These tears will never dry - judgment made can never bend." - CP From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 17:50:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA08796 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 17:25:56 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9508071724.ZM16321@tekdev-10> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 17:24:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill ""..don't wimp out on me now, Rob.."" (May 10, 9:07am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: A Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net My contract at this site is ending, so my mail will no longer work. Do I need to unsubscribe or is there a disable function that can be activated? Thanks for the help. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 17:55:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA09093 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 17:42:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 17:17:17 -0400 (EDT) From: August Yang To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net > She noted all my SwatKats noise on r.a.a. and made it a point of asking > the H-B crew at SanDiego Comicon about SwatKats. Guess what the response was? > > "If there is enough fan demand SwatKats will go back into production". *sigh* I hate this pine mailer, but it's the only one I can use without crapping out my account. In any case, I've hit the "Translate Corp Jargon" (special P.C. Br) and I get... "Typical P.R. Response. If they said otherwise, Bad P.R." Yeah, yeah. I'm just being a cynical bastard, but we need more than just mailing list in order to convince H-B and the high mucky-mucks at Turn-off Communications to revive the SWAT Kats. We need our friends to write in. And the friends of our friends (who are not our friends). And the friends of the friends of our friends (who are not our friends and not friends of... Well, you get the idea) Translation, we need a lot of people. So it's time to play "drug dealer". Invite your friends over and watch SWAT Kats with them. Get them addicted, and then mention that the show is being cancelled. Then ask them to write *real* letters to H-B (a form letter doesn't have the same omph as a real one). I hope and I pray that this will work. But I'm not holding my breath. August Paul Yang has been having dream about the SWAT Kats. -- wntrmute@tribeca.ios.com | For my Life Public Relations and Official Test Audience for the FDC | Still ahead, "Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? | Pity me. -Queen Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it?" -Max Headroom From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 19:20:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA10094 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 19:11:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 16:19:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9508070907.aa01489@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > but rather in some sort of reality denial - he can't accept what's > happened. Sort of like Mario Cuomo when he didn't get re-elected > Governor of NY :) Heh! Or for that matter, Turner pining at his beloved Planeteers ending up in the "also ran" bin at Toys 'Were Us. > this is an "inside joke", and this Kat is supposed to be someone > real. I saw the same thing in TLM, where a "background" couple is > rendered far more accurately than the other "background" characters, > and appears in three episodes. I know that the animators at WB do > this too, as a WBer who defected to Disney told me so. Could be an inside joke - Fred Seibert's wife was expecting a baby around the time this ep was made - who knows? Warners is notorious for using the same BG "extras" in various shorts - in "Animaniancs", three very recognizable individuals show up in something like four shorts (all with YWD, except "Yes, Always" with PATB). Lets see if I can guess the WB'er - Butch Lukic or Dave Kuhn by any chance? _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 19:50:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA10200 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 19:20:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 16:28:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, August Yang wrote: > In any case, I've hit the "Translate Corp Jargon" (special P.C. Br) and I > get... > > "Typical P.R. Response. If they said otherwise, Bad P.R." This was my first reaction until I was reminded of Turner's presence at two previous press events and the comments there; the ABA convention, and the licensing fair. In both those instances, Turner reps repeated a well-rehearsed "Little Red Book" line about Kats "not being promoted because it isn't a current property", yet at Comicon, they've said the reverse. From what I've heard from others about Comicon, the participants normally don't send backbencher clueless lackies to represent their company at such a well attended event. I'm trying to get a name so I can determine if this individual is actually speaking from a position of authority, or one of overactive imagination. > Yeah, yeah. I'm just being a cynical bastard, but we need more than just Cynicism is evolutionary after repetitive disappointment in something you believe(d) in. Turner shoulders _all_ the blame for that in this case. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 20:00:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA10339 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 19:35:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 95 19:32:59 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Bright and Shiny Future Message-ID: <9508071932.aa00591@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >> but rather in some sort of reality denial - he can't accept what's >> happened. Sort of like Mario Cuomo when he didn't get re-elected >> Governor of NY :) > >Heh! Or for that matter, Turner pining at his beloved Planeteers ending >up in the "also ran" bin at Toys 'Were Us. More like Turner's reaction when his brainchild, the Planeteers movie, gets blown out of the water saleswise. Something to look forward to :) >> this is an "inside joke", and this Kat is supposed to be someone >> real. I saw the same thing in TLM, where a "background" couple is >> rendered far more accurately than the other "background" characters, >> and appears in three episodes. I know that the animators at WB do >> this too, as a WBer who defected to Disney told me so. > > Could be an inside joke - Fred Seibert's wife was expecting a baby >around the time this ep was made - who knows? Warners is notorious for The reason I made the comment is that she appeared in two episodes. I'd have noticed her as a pretty Kat in one, but seeing her with the baby in two made me think about it. Just like the couple in TLM, who kept turning up. >using the same BG "extras" in various shorts - in "Animaniancs", three >very recognizable individuals show up in something like four shorts (all >with YWD, except "Yes, Always" with PATB). Lets see if I can guess the >WB'er - Butch Lukic or Dave Kuhn by any chance? Dave Kuhn it is. He dropped in on me quite unexpectedly when I made a comment about the animation quality in the Poca preview back in January. Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil All disclaimers apply No good deed _ever_ goes unpunished. -- Unknown wise man "See these tears so blue - an ageless heart that can never mend. These tears will never dry - judgment made can never bend." - CP From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 22:50:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA11835 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 22:46:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 19:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: (fwd) Re: 2 Dumb Dogs... (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Newsgroups: alt.tv.animaniacs From: aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (Robert J. Repas, Jr.) Subject: Re: 2 Dumb Dogs... Organization: The Lorain County Free-Net, Elyria, Ohio (USA) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:25:18 GMT ****Listfolks - I found this on alt.tv.animaniacs and crossed it to the Kats newsgroup and now the list. I've spoken to Rob Repas about H-B and Kats before (we've both been on a.t.a. for many moons), but none of what he says is based on anything I told him. Some of it echoes what I wrote here and rec.arts.animation, but the rest of it is news to me...**** In a previous article, bmarcum@iglou.iglou.com (Bill Marcum) says: >[crossposted to alt.tv.swatkats] >In article <1995Jul30.184958.17308@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>, >> >>Personally, I think Turner would do well to get rid of Potamkin, and >>find someone who knows how to make cartoons. William Hanna might be >>a good choice. >> >If you think Potamkin doesn't know how to make cartoons, you must have >fallen asleep or changed channels, and missed Swat Kats after 2 Stupid Dogs. >Anyway, from what I hear, you've gotten half your wish: Turner got rid of >a lot of people at Hanna-Barbera, but not to replace them with "someone >who knows how". Nope, I stand by my original statement, Bill. Potamkin doesn't know hoe to make anything but "vomit" toons. Now, before you get all uppity, let me say I think Swat Kats is one of the best shows to come out of Hanna Barbera under the Potamkin helm. I enjoy it tremendously. BUT, word has it that Swat Kats was made IN SPITE of Potamkin's attempted control of the show, and thats why the majority of people at HB got sacked. They got fed up with Potamkin's total lack of ability in creating adequate cartoon premises, so went against his missives...and Swat Kats became the semi-quality show it is. I say semi-quality in that I wonder how much better it would've been if Potamkin wasn't involved at all. (Typical Potamkin script involvement...scratch out any character development in the script and put in more monsters...) Of course, when you go against the big boss, you've got your job on the line...and they paid for it. Too bad. They probably sacked the only creative people HB had on staff. No, I can't say that. SOmeone over there is still left with some creativity (how'd they miss them?) I finally saw a "World Premiere Toon" on the Cartoon Channel that I feel (IMHO) captures that essence. That's Yoink of the Yukon...funny, intelligent, deals with topical issues in a humorous vein. Very much like Animaniacs. My hats off to Yoink's creator and writer(s). (I have to write like this, since the credits scroll past so fast only an Evelyn Wood graduate with honors could read them. And I haven't been able to get it recorded for freeze frame ability.) Second possible tie to a.t.a...is that Rob doing Yoink's voice? Heh? -- "The cool thing is to find some way to take advantage of the existing universe and do neat things in it." -- Cliff Stoll * * * * * Bob Repas, Jr. (WB8QIH) | aa2043@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 7 23:52:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA12283 for kats-ll; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:33:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 23:33:02 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: They're coming? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTT5MGL39U8WXUEF@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I noticed that right after the 6pm airing of SK on TCN there was a very short spot that came up with a blue background & the kat "head" that appears in the logo. The beginning of the music plays & a voice says "They're coming..." in a whispering tone. Then that's it--no more info. What the heck's going on? Also noticed that there's new voiceovers for the spots leading into & out of commecial breaks. Lots of new commercials for the show on TCN. And even a short appearance in an ad for "Dogust" (TCN's promoting dog cartoons for the month of August.) Right at the very end of this ad you see TB & R standing with that "don't mess with us" looking right at the camera. Have the winds at TPS changed? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 00:50:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA12840 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 00:45:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 21:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: They're coming? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HTT5MGL39U8WXUEF@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Also noticed that there's new voiceovers for the spots leading into > & out of commecial breaks. Lots of new commercials for the show on > TCN. And even a short appearance in an ad for "Dogust" (TCN's > promoting dog cartoons for the month of August.) Right at the very > end of this ad you see TB & R standing with that "don't mess with > us" looking right at the camera. > > Have the winds at TPS changed? Well, from their point of view, they have *NOTHING* until Fall 96. If you were them, wouldn't you finish the last three eps at least? Even if it's just to get H-B/Turner through the next year until the "Jonny" premiere? The new spots are puzzling, but the "They're coming" bit likely refers to something a Turner spy related earlier about a "product tie-in with a major retailer" - the likes of which I have no info on. It's been suggested that Turner may want to continue with Kats now that the "expensive elements" (Tremblay bros, background dept, and design team members up for a raise) are no longer in the loop - and that it would take on almost a post-Spumco "Ren and Stimpy" flavour. I'd rather see the Kat guys die on their feet than live on their knees. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 07:20:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA14839 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:17:14 -0400 From: SkyKit@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:16:31 -0400 Message-Id: <950808071629_50398496@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On August third, Chance wrote: > The comments still (eventually) get entered into the H-B computer, and you may even get a reply from Davis Doi like someone recently did. I got a reply from Mr. Doi myself. Asked me for my home phone to talk with me as well. Very nice guy. He apparently had very little idea (til I talked to him) how much fan response there was through the net and online services. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 07:32:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA14864 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:19:48 -0400 From: SkyKit@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:15:21 -0400 Message-Id: <950808071244_50398489@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Videos Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Subj: Re: The Videos Date: 95-08-03 01:22:34 EDT From: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Reply-to: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net >Thanks, and by the way it sure does help!!! Subj: Re: The Videos Date: 95-08-03 01:32:40 EDT From: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Reply-to: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net >Thanks and it sure does help me. You're welcome, Walt! >Isn't it nice that I'm helping in bringing two friends together that shares the same exact interest as one another. Sure is! =) Now go get those vids people!-Skykit. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 07:40:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA14847 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:18:12 -0400 From: SkyKit@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 07:17:30 -0400 Message-Id: <950808071631_50398502@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Does the heart good...... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Subj: Re: Does the heart good...... Date: 95-08-04 19:21:56 EDT From: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net From: MATT_W@delphi.com (MATT WEBER) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Reply-to: kats@sard.mv.net To: kats@sard.mv.net >in hopes of spotting a couple of things. But what I saw left me >speachless, they had marked all the Capt. Planet down to $2.50. I >nearly broke into tears ;-> I guess there is some justice in this >world. It didn't appear that a single figure had moved from the >peg in a week. Thank goodness that Ted is the only one that can >stand that garbage. >Hmmm.. I wonder what the Planeteers would say to Ted for polluting the world with useless plastic toys that no one will buy? >-Matt LOL!!! Now *There's* a point for a pointed letter to Turner!- Mike From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 09:20:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA15588 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 09:04:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 95 08:03:59 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508081303.AA09284@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: The Irony of it all!!! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Kinda seems sad that after all the letter writing and talk everywhere on the net about bringing the kats back, that if they do, it could be a inferior piece of crap (post-Spumco-esc). I was just poking in the wind yesterday when I suggested that this was what Turner was thinking of doing. Andy may have all too well confirmed those sentiments, though. If Turner isn't willing to pay the quality writers for the show, who's to say he'll be willing to pay Wang for the art. A definite eye-catcher in the second season, which drew many people that I have spoken to in on the show, story lines keeping them. It kinda works like a fishing line the art is the bait, but the story is the hook that keeps you, and reels you in. Gotta have both!! Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 12:50:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA18099 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:32:56 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <302791865b76002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 95 11:32:06 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: They're coming? Content-Length: 1637 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Matt wrote: >I noticed that right after the 6pm airing of SK on TCN there was a >very short spot that came up with a blue background & the kat "head" >that appears in the logo. The beginning of the music plays & a >voice says "They're coming..." in a whispering tone. Then that's >it--no more info. What the heck's going on? It's a promo for the daily SWAT KATS strip that starts this week on the Cartoon Network (6:00pm ET, weekdays). It's actually the opening chord of the first season, sustained for a few extra seconds, with the voice-over and a jet engine FX dubbed over it. It sounds way-cool when played through a set of BIG speakers (lots of low- frequency reverb). :) They use the cat-logo in the same way they use the Warner shield/Batman logo in the Batmarn cartoon series. Looks spiffy! I just got a sound card for my PC, and I'm about to get the software that will allow me to create Video for Windows (AVI) files. *IF* I can get all the pieces to work, I'll try to capture this promo to an AVI file. Keep your paws crossed, Kat-fans! >...even a short appearance in an ad for "Dogust" (TCN's >promoting dog cartoons for the month of August.) Right at the very >end of this ad you see TB & R standing with that "don't mess with >us" looking right at the camera. Heh, yeah, and the narrator says, "Okay, we'll give equal time to cats..." That's another good spot. >Have the winds at TPS changed? Maybe. But, like I said before, the people running the Cartoon Network seem to have their own agenda, and are promoting the heck out of the Kats. Whether this will make any difference remains to be seen. -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 13:20:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18487 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:08:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <950808071629_50398496@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 8 Aug 1995 SkyKit@aol.com wrote: > On August third, Chance wrote: > > > The comments still (eventually) get entered into > the H-B computer, and you may even get a reply from Davis Doi like > someone recently did. > > I got a reply from Mr. Doi myself. Asked me for my home phone to talk with me > as well. Very nice guy. He apparently had very little idea (til I talked to > him) how much fan response there was through the net and online services. Heh. Funny how all the Kats fans from wherever all manage to hook up to the net either via the list or the group. There's a guy named "Kyle" on the newsgroup that I remember Christian mentioning, and it turns out that he talks to Christian more often than me and Michael Hirtes put together. I got suspicious about the fan-mail earlier when Victoria McCollum told me that she'd "only seen three or four letters" since Mark Lungo ("Animato!" Kats author) tried a letter campaign outside of the Net. Man, I'm responsible for at _least_ that many letters personally, and I know a few others that have written more than that. SkyKit's letter sat _somewhere_ for what, six months maybe? Davis just got hold of it recently, so where had it been for all that time? I'd bet that every measure they put in place to deal with the volume gets rapidly outsripped, and they're just getting through them now - picking out the ones like SkyKit's when they surface, and circulating them to whatever department. These individuals remaining after Kats got the short straw likely don't know there's fan support because: a) They aren't on the net - only Turner corporate appears to monitor events, and then only rec.arts.animation b) Fan Mail is boxed and put off for "when we have the resources" c) Turner sits on mail intended for named recipients for fear of re-igniting old rebellions, which, last time I checked, is "mail-tampering". Here's a suggestion, maybe write to Davis instead of Seibert. Davis is one of the good guys, and had *NOTHING* to do with Kanned Kitties, but mail might actually _get_ to him? I'll do two copies of my next one, and cc him and Hughes under separate cover. Anyone got access to a fax 'sides me? _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 14:22:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18959 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:50:40 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0sfsnc-000AxeC;Tue, 8.Aug.95.13.50.EDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:50:44 -29900 From: "White Trash (SK)" Subject: Re: They're coming? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HTT5MGL39U8WXUEF@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > I noticed that right after the 6pm airing of SK on TCN there was a > very short spot that came up with a blue background & the kat "head" > that appears in the logo. The beginning of the music plays & a > voice says "They're coming..." in a whispering tone. Then that's > it--no more info. What the heck's going on? I have another version of that ad... It was basically a spot for the 6PM time slot... In short, it said "They're coming..." Then when the CN logo flashed up, instead, it said Weekdays at 6:00PM and dubbed over it was "The SWAT Kats, every weekday at 6PM on the only place for toons, the Cartoon Network." ... I think they were just running it again for absolutely no reason... :-) But I did see that one... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 14:38:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18977 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:51:58 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0sfsos-000AxeC;Tue, 8.Aug.95.13.52.EDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:52:02 -29900 From: "White Trash (SK)" Subject: Re: They're coming? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Chance wrote: > The new spots are puzzling, but the "They're coming" bit likely refers to > something a Turner spy related earlier about a "product tie-in with a > major retailer" - the likes of which I have no info on. It's been > suggested that Turner may want to continue with Kats now that the > "expensive elements" (Tremblay bros, background dept, and design team > members up for a raise) are no longer in the loop - and that it would > take on almost a post-Spumco "Ren and Stimpy" flavour. I'd rather see > the Kat guys die on their feet than live on their knees. > That's wrong. If you paid any attention to the 5:30PM airing of "Enter The MadKat" on the Cartoon Network, you would know what this is... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 14:41:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19028 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:55:50 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0sfssd-000AxeC;Tue, 8.Aug.95.13.55.EDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:55:55 -29900 From: "White Trash (SK)" Subject: Re: Ted's big problem... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > SkyKit's letter sat _somewhere_ for what, six months maybe? Davis just > got hold of it recently, so where had it been for all that time? I'd bet > that every measure they put in place to deal with the volume gets rapidly > outsripped, and they're just getting through them now - picking out the > ones like SkyKit's when they surface, and circulating them to whatever > department. These individuals remaining after Kats got the short straw > likely don't know there's fan support because: > > a) They aren't on the net - only Turner corporate appears to > monitor events, and then only rec.arts.animation > > b) Fan Mail is boxed and put off for "when we have the resources" > > c) Turner sits on mail intended for named recipients for fear of > re-igniting old rebellions, which, last time I checked, is > "mail-tampering". > > Here's a suggestion, maybe write to Davis instead of Seibert. Davis is > one of the good guys, and had *NOTHING* to do with Kanned Kitties, but > mail might actually _get_ to him? I'll do two copies of my next one, and > cc him and Hughes under separate cover. > > Anyone got access to a fax 'sides me? > Right here. I'll help any way I can, if they'll just get off their ass and at least make an effort to get some of the people back that made the 'Kats great. /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 15:50:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA20695 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:41:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: They're coming? (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Mon, 7 Aug 1995, Chance wrote: > The new spots are puzzling, but the "They're coming" bit likely refers to > something a Turner spy related earlier about a "product tie-in with a > major retailer" - the likes of which I have no info on. It's been > suggested that Turner may want to continue with Kats now that the > "expensive elements" (Tremblay bros, background dept, and design team > members up for a raise) are no longer in the loop - and that it would > take on almost a post-Spumco "Ren and Stimpy" flavour. I'd rather see > the Kat guys die on their feet than live on their knees. > That's wrong. If you paid any attention to the 5:30PM airing of "Enter The MadKat" on the Cartoon Network, you would know what this is... Thanks. Actually, I'd like nothing better than to pay better attention (or any attention for that matter) to the Cartoon Network; 5:30 pm or any other time. The sad fact is that I can't even watch the Kats at broadcast on either TBS or TCN - TCN isn't allowed in Canada, and TBS is a pay service. As far as "that's wrong" goes - I heard what I heard - though it likely has nothing to do with the promo-thingy. (My server shredded the header message to White Trash's message - so I wasn't sure whether it originated through the list or direct e-mail; apologies if the comment wasn't intended for all pointy ears). From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 18:51:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA25460 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 18:39:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 18:38:50 -0400 From: White Trash Message-Id: <199508082238.SAA09351@mv.mv.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: CN Playing Kats In Order? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Is it just me, or does it appear to anyone else that's been watching the 'Kats on the Cartoon Network that they're playing them in order (according to episodes.txt available on Ratman's FTP site)? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 8 20:21:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA26298 for kats-ll; Tue, 8 Aug 1995 20:07:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 17:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: CN Playing Kats In Order? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199508082238.SAA09351@mv.mv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 8 Aug 1995, White Trash wrote: > Is it just me, or does it appear to anyone else that's been watching the > 'Kats on the Cartoon Network that they're playing them in order (according > to episodes.txt available on Ratman's FTP site)? Sort of tangential to this question, but evidently TBS was running the Kats in order, but left out "Dark Side of the SwatKats". Mark Lungo's got a call into the TBS H-B liason, but hasn't received an explanation yet. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Of course it has boogers in it. It's got kid-type humour" - John K. in TVG -- "Naaaah...just make them cat aliens." - Executive 'creative input' at H-B _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 9 02:21:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA29466 for kats-ll; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 02:06:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 02:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: http://rat.org/kats Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Ratman- I don't see anything missing, it seems very complete. Although, are you sure that TCN is only playing that Kats for a month? (It would only make sense, as only 25 episodes were produced) The way they've been putting it in the ads, it's going to be an on-going thing. They never mentioned an end date... Any else know for sure about this? I can double check... /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 9 03:56:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA00367 for kats-ll; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 03:38:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 00:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: http://rat.org/kats To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, White Trash (SK) wrote: > Ratman- > > I don't see anything missing, it seems very complete. Although, are you > sure that TCN is only playing that Kats for a month? (It would only make > sense, as only 25 episodes were produced) The way they've been putting it > in the ads, it's going to be an on-going thing. They never mentioned an > end date... Any else know for sure about this? I can double check... Last month, Hanna-Barbera _directly_ told me that Kats would only be in the PT slot until the beginning of September on TCN, but didn't supply any info beyond that. FYI, I sent a message to the "toonnet@aol.com" address today asking if that San Diego Comicon Turner-rep was speaking for the company. I think a reply will take awhile via that route, because whoever's banging the keys at the other end isn't likely to know immediately who to ask. (BTW - the guys at the toonnet address _did_ say that they'd address any Kats questions that list members or newsgroup fans may have...I think I forgot to mention that earlier.) _____________________________________________________________________________ "We had one Tom and Jerry where he was chasing someone with a baseball bat. We had to go back and change it to a tennis racket." -Director John Rice on re-drawing vintage cartoons for new violence rules- _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 9 17:21:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA10840 for kats-ll; Wed, 9 Aug 1995 17:17:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 14:19:57 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199508092119.OAA18859@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) TBS ends "SwatKats" Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats,rec.arts.animation,alt.fan.furry Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net The Turner Superstation TBS will not be airing "SwatKats:The Radical Squadron" after the end of the current rotation. The series will end with the episode "Deadly Pyramid", and there are no plans to re-run the episode missed in the current rotation "The Dark Side of the SwatKats". The series will continue to run on Turner's "Cartoon Network" in markets with access to it. At San Diego Comicon, a Turner representative answered a number of "SwatKats" questions with: "If there's enough fan demand, the show will be put back in production". A TPS rep today suggested the statement was likely made to keep the Kats fans happy at Comicon only. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "We had one Tom and Jerry where he was chasing someone with a baseball bat. We had to go back and change it to a tennis racket." -Director John Rice on re-drawing vintage cartoons for new violence rules- _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 01:20:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA12748 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 01:09:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 18:36:51 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199508100136.SAA07111@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: Wow. Good news for a change... Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ************************************************************************** Hi listmembers...here's a cross from the newsgroup from Kyle, who also talks to the Tremblays. I didn't know this either, but am not overly surprised - all the news lately has been equally negative. ************************************************************************** Subject: Re: Wow. Good news for a change... Date: 8 Aug 1995 23:55:15 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY The comic book publising company I'm involved with talked in the SDCC abuot getting SK comic going, it was HB's interesting response: THEY TRASHED THE HELL OUT OF IT??!? Is it just me or is H-B screwed over a few times???? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 01:29:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA12643 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:57:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 19:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: The Irony of it all!!! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTVOZT2F9U8Y7QLW@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Ian Lynn wrote: > Kinda seems sad that after all the letter writing and talk >everywhere on the net about bringing the kats back, that if they >do, it could be a inferior piece of crap (post-Spumco-esc). I was >just poking in the wind yesterday when I suggested that this was >what Turner was thinking of doing. Andy may have all too well >confirmed those sentiments, though. If Turner isn't willing to pay >the quality writers for the show, who's to say he'll be willing to >pay Wang for the art. Well, I don't know... If we could at least get Turner to put Kats back on the air & make new eps., that's half the battle. If the new shows aren't any good, we'll have to start making more noise. Let's tackle one problem at a time. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 01:35:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA12645 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:57:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 19:33:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Remco and other stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTVPU69CAM8WY8DM@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hello all! Just wondering if anyone has a phone number or address for Remco. I'd like to contact them and find out what locations & stores the toys have been sent to. Also, would anyone be interested in collaberating on a SWAT Kats ".wad" file for DOOM? I'm not really a programmer & don't know the in's & out's of setting up a ".wad" file; but I can do graphics & record sound effects. What would be the interest of people playing such a game? I know that someone did a _complete_ Star Trek:TNG episode for Doom, so this is something that is possible. This is what I envision: +The "Glove 'a tricks" is the weapon (with it's various modules) +The baddies are the obvious Creeplings, Dr. Viper, Dark Kat, etc.. +The _real_ baddies would have to be Ted or guys in suits. +Background art would be MegaKat city, inside MK Tower, etc. +Sounds of "Bingo!", "Kat's Alive!", etc. +A midi sound file of the theme music. Pretty cool sounding, huh? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 07:50:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA15258 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:49:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:49:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Irony of it all!!! In-Reply-To: <01HTVOZT2F9U8Y7QLW@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Ian Lynn wrote: > > Kinda seems sad that after all the letter writing and talk > >everywhere on the net about bringing the kats back, that if they > >do, it could be a inferior piece of crap (post-Spumco-esc). I was > >just poking in the wind yesterday when I suggested that this was > >what Turner was thinking of doing. Andy may have all too well > >confirmed those sentiments, though. If Turner isn't willing to pay > >the quality writers for the show, who's to say he'll be willing to > >pay Wang for the art. > > Well, I don't know... If we could at least get Turner to put Kats > back on the air & make new eps., that's half the battle. If the new > shows aren't any good, we'll have to start making more noise. Let's > tackle one problem at a time. > I agree. Even if they are crap, we would have gotten them back on the air and we can go from there. I don't think it'll be too much of a problem, but I don't think the Tremblay brothers are gonna wanna come back after getting burned once by Turner. /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 08:20:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA15272 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:50:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 07:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Remco and other stuff In-Reply-To: <01HTVPU69CAM8WY8DM@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Hello all! > Just wondering if anyone has a phone number or address for Remco. > I'd like to contact them and find out what locations & stores the > toys have been sent to. > > Also, would anyone be interested in collaberating on a SWAT Kats > ".wad" file for DOOM? I'm not really a programmer & don't know the > in's & out's of setting up a ".wad" file; but I can do graphics & > record sound effects. What would be the interest of people playing > such a game? I know that someone did a _complete_ Star Trek:TNG > episode for Doom, so this is something that is possible. > > This is what I envision: > +The "Glove 'a tricks" is the weapon (with it's various modules) > +The baddies are the obvious Creeplings, Dr. Viper, Dark Kat, etc.. > +The _real_ baddies would have to be Ted or guys in suits. > +Background art would be MegaKat city, inside MK Tower, etc. > +Sounds of "Bingo!", "Kat's Alive!", etc. > +A midi sound file of the theme music. I have the theme music in a 22kHz Mono .WAV file... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 12:20:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA17772 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:56:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 10:56:14 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508101556.AA05808@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Toys, anyone??? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, the magic Aug. 8th date has come and gone, and I don't know about any of you, but I ain't seeing no Kat toys on any shelves yet. Not that I'm surprised, when was the last time any toy company held to a arrival date, or the second on they gave, or the third........ Has there been any word on when they're due out again??? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 12:50:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA18650 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:49:55 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <302a38844061002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 11:49:08 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The Irony of it all!!! Content-Length: 56 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Okay! So who should I write to, and what should I say? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 12:59:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA18472 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:35:21 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <302a350f2b4f002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 11:34:23 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Remco and other stuff Content-Length: 152 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net The makers of DOOM sell a utility that allows you to create and edit sprites for the program. If you've got the program, then you have their address. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 13:09:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA18626 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:46:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: The Irony of it all!!! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, White Trash (SK) wrote: > On Wed, 9 Aug 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > > > Ian Lynn wrote: > > >what Turner was thinking of doing. Andy may have all too well > > >confirmed those sentiments, though. If Turner isn't willing to pay > > >the quality writers for the show, who's to say he'll be willing to > > >pay Wang for the art. Well, I didn't really confirm anything, actually - someone with friends at Spumco suggested it, and the precedent was set by Turner themselves by having the no-budget DIC animate a season of "Captain Planet". (Oh, BTW - it's impossible to "pay Wang for the art" - they don't do any. There have been a _ton_ of retakes on ANIMX for the upcoming season, and there's only a WBA liason at _one_ of Wang's two outlets making the outfit draw with its' eyes open!) > I agree. Even if they are crap, we would have gotten them back on the > air and we can go from there. I don't think it'll be too much of a > problem, but I don't think the Tremblay brothers are gonna wanna come > back after getting burned once by Turner. Tremblays wouldn't come back in any ongoing creative capacity, but perhaps a consultative one. Like I said before, all the hard work's been done by others no longer employed, so continuation of at least the extraneous three scripts wouldn't be that hard. They just have to come up with the cash, the will, and send 'em off to Mook. _____________________________________________________________________________ "We had one Tom and Jerry where he was chasing someone with a baseball bat. We had to go back and change it to a tennis racket." -Director John Rice on re-drawing vintage cartoons for new violence rules- _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 13:20:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA18676 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:52:08 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <302a390943fa002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 11:51:21 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Toys, anyone??? Content-Length: 103 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net That's a good reminder--I'll go check at Toys R Us today and see if they got the toys and/or the game. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 13:25:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA18698 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:55:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: TBS ends "SwatKats" (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ********************************************************************* I thought list-members might get a kick out of this. I posted to the related newsgroups the rather depressing news concerning TBS canning the Kats, and this person figured I was one of the Black Hats. Heh! I told this individual the fact of life, and invited him to join the list. ********************************************************************* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 15:17:40 0500 From: Mark Leary To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: Re: TBS ends "SwatKats" I love the swatcats!!!!!!!!! I cant believe your going to sell them out WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! come on dont sell them out From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 13:34:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA18789 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:09:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 10:07:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Toys, anyone??? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9508101556.AA05808@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Well, the magic Aug. 8th date has come and gone, and I don't > know about any of you, but I ain't seeing no Kat toys on any > shelves yet. Not that I'm surprised, when was the last time > any toy company held to a arrival date, or the second on they > gave, or the third........ Has there been any word on when they're > due out again??? The thing is, they _are_ out in certain K-Marts already, but evidently nowhere else. I can get Remco's number and find out what the deal is, but I can't ask the Tremblay bros. till after my Airshow-deal (14th). There's enough of us geographically spread about, surely _someone_ must've seen 'em besides the two people who mentioned them. _____________________________________________________________________________ "We had one Tom and Jerry where he was chasing someone with a baseball bat. We had to go back and change it to a tennis racket." -Director John Rice on re-drawing vintage cartoons for new violence rules- _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 18:21:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA22830 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 17:56:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 14:56:05 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199508102156.OAA06847@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Hmm..hearing different stuff.. Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Chance) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Hmm..hearing different stuff.. Date: 10 Aug 1995 21:48:51 GMT ********************************************************************** FYI for the whole list, but in answer to Tim Fay's question, and I think Doc Konway's. I'm currently making up a copy to go to each of my suggestions, and if anyone's inclined to do the same, they should hear fairly loud and clear. ********************************************************************** Okay, _now_ I'm hearing yet another version of this "if there's enough fan-demand, SwatKats will be put back in production" story, so perhaps they _are_ interested in what they're going to have to do to earn our money. No guarantees, but those of you who've asked what to write and who to write it to, here's some suggestions: I'm not going to tell you _what_ to write - that's up to you. Tell them what you thought of the show, what you think of the cancellation, what you'll be watching in the fall and what you won't (and why), and maybe ask a few questions rather than have it full of condemning statements (after all, they've heard all that already from myself and a few others). It's probably more effective if you write them from the point of view of a goal and give them an escape route - I'd suggest completion of the extant three episodes to be a good start. Tell them you _are_ interested in SwatKats merchandise (if indeed you are) and tell them what you'd like to see produced in future. Tell them whatever you feel - don't tell them what you think they want to hear, or what I want to hear, or anyone else for that matter. Where to write? Okay, Fred Seibert is the President of Hanna-Barbera, and evidently controls the off-switch to SwatKats (depending on who you talk to, of course). He's been ditching his mail "elsewhere" if he suspects it's just fanstuff, but that's not exactly precedent setting. If you can, make three copies of your letter, and send them (in seperate envelopes) to: 1) Fred Seibert Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd Hollywood, CA 90068 2) Davis Doi, the producer (same address) 3) "SwatKats" (same address) If you have access to a Fax machine (parents, work, friends, some libraries) you could also fax a copy of your letter (with a 'cover sheet' showing who it's going to) to the H-B central fax line in CA: (213) 969-1201 I would also suggest that if you can't mail a letter, compose one in e-mail and address it to "Toonnet@aol.com" and cc it to TNT@Turner.com (or, do it in addition to mail if you like). An extensive "SwatKats" article is in the current issue of "Animato" magazine, which I highly recommend in any event. It's been suggested to me by others that a "letter to the editor" concering the article or the show in general has a reasonable chance of getting printed in the next issue. Submissions for "Animato!" can be sent to: Animato! 17 Spruce St. Springfield MA 01105 Attn:Letters to the Editor "Animation" magazine also prints "Letters to the Editor" on various subjects, and you can send submissions to them at "anniemag@aol.com". From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 10 19:50:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA23446 for kats-ll; Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:23:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Remco and other stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HTX3R9EWU68Y7ZQI@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >The makers of DOOM sell a utility that allows you to create and >edit sprites for the program. If you've got the program, then you >have their address. Ah-ha! I'll have to look through my booklet & see what's to see! So far, there's been quite a positive response to the idea of a game. Heh. I'd like to see H-B's computer network all clogged up with people playing a SK Doom game! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 11 13:51:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA01737 for kats-ll; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 13:25:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:28:58 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199508111728.KAA03159@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: "Kids love Swatkats..." Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ********************************************************************* Here's another variation on the "fan-letter" response theme that we talked about earlier (you know, the formletters that some of us got and the sticker) pulled off the Kats newsgroup. ********************************************************************* From: XXRJ13C@prodigy.com (Marsha Morman) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Re: "Kids love Swatkats..." Date: 10 Aug 1995 16:32:21 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY I wrote a letter to them about a year ago under the address they gave me, with a story idea. I got this imformal note back from "Jake and Chance". Ot pissed me off, so I wrote and complained. Wala! They immediately sent me a sorry note (a tad personalized) and a free SK Turbokat keychain that makes engine noises! So I wrote back, thanking them and told them about my club on P*, and they were so impressed Davis Doi wrote back about 6 months later with his phone number and said to call! I called, but he wasn't in so I left me number and he called back! IT WAS AWESOME!! I think I'll call him soon about this little "TBC Cancellation" thing . . . Dr. Jake (editor: although I think she means "TBS Cancellation", as last time I looked, "Time-Base Correctors" were still around and doing wonderfully) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 11 16:51:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA04162 for kats-ll; Fri, 11 Aug 1995 16:26:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN's Schedule Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hello All- Just to verify, I dropped TCN a letter regarding the 'Kats on TCN. The way they advertised it, it sounded like an on-going thing, Guess not. /mad ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:42:09 -0400 From: ToonNet@aol.com To: mad@mv.MV.COM Subject: Re: SWAT Kats Yep, it's this month only! August 7-September 1. Swat Kats at 6pm EST. thanks for writing! Cartoon Network From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 12 15:21:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA12052 for kats-ll; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 14:54:35 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: You _could_ have bought... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ...a whole whack of stuff. Here's the intended action figure lineup (which at the time was set for "Playmates" instead of "Remco" if I recall, before Col. Ted copied the sentiments of his namesake in my sig). (Lance Falk's enthusiasm shows through in this stuff quite well...) ACTION FIGURES: () Razor and T-Bone Action Figures with removable Glovatrix & Flight helmet. () Callie Briggs with Beeping Signal Device. () Commander Feral with Sidearm. () Dr. Viper with Plantimals () The Pastmaster with Tome of Time and Casket of the Ages. () The Metallikats with an assortment of Multi-Weapon Arms. () Madkat with a Bag of Assorted Tricks. () Dark Kat with Creeplings. () Megakat City Enforcer with Riot Gear. OTHER COOL STUFF! () The Deluxe Turbokat! With Movable wings, Hover Jets and Landing Gear, Missile Launch Function (ed: hopefully of the "Atlanta Seeking" variety) and 4 realistic Electronic Sounds! Holds Razor and T-Bone Figures (sold separately). () The Multi Leveled SwatKat Secret Hangar! With Turbokat Turntable and Launch Function! (Turbokat sold separately). () The Cyclotron Missile/Motorcycle () Enforcer Chopper () Enforcer Sedan () Dark Kat's Fear Ship () The Metallikat's Metallikraft () Enforcer Tank (ed: of course, the Metallikat's "Metallikraft" was eventually changed to either "Hovertank" or "Metallikat Express" depending on the episode, and Dark Kat doesn't exactly have a "regular" mode of transport (the "Fear Ship" is actually the jet from "Wrath of Dark Kat", which he used both in the "present" part of the episode in addition to the "flashback"). ) I'm going to an Airshow tomorrow - biggest in Canada actaully. I'm rather hoping I can convince one of the F-14 Turbokat (er.."Tomcat"; Freudean slip..) pilots to let me chalk on the side of one of the Sidewinders: "To Turner: From Razor with Love!" and photograph it to send to H-B/Turner. I may end up using one of the drop tanks; they're a lot bigger, and to the average savage look just like "bombs". _____________________________________________________________________________ "Listen son...I don't give a cahoots whether Rock'n'Roll _is_ changing the world. It means nothin' to me but dollars and cents..." --Elvis manager Col. Tom Parker, waving a wad of 100's at the idealistic. _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 12 20:21:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA13708 for kats-ll; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 20:16:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 17:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Well..Ted can't complain about cash.. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, Ted Turner just got into a deal with Microsoft that will inject a billion or so bucks into Ted's operations, and presumably will give Gates access to all the MGM/Cartoon library for interactive stuff. I don't know if this will have any bearing whatsoever on the Kats - but Ted is still after his network, and this looks like the leverage he needed. I hope he uses some of Gates money to grow a brain and renew the Kats. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Listen son...I don't give a cahoots whether Rock'n'Roll _is_ changing the world. It means nothin' to me but dollars and cents..." --Elvis manager Col. Tom Parker, waving a wad of 100's at the idealistic. _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 12 23:52:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA14948 for kats-ll; Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:46:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Well..Ted can't complain about cash.. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HU05JCVUQG8Y8N4R@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Well, Ted Turner just got into a deal with Microsoft that will >inject a billion or so bucks into Ted's operations, and presumably >will give Gates access to all the MGM/Cartoon library for >interactive stuff. I don't know if this will have any bearing >whatsoever on the Kats - but Ted is still after his network, and >this looks like the leverage he needed. I hope he uses some of >Gates money to grow a brain and renew the Kats. If I wrote a nice letter to Bill asking for a measley $50 mil to purchase a big chunck of TPS what do you think my chances are? Bill's got plenty o' cash! Afterall, $50 mil is only 0.4% of Bill's total worth. (Must be nice to have a couple a' BIL layin' around.) -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 15 11:32:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA07387 for kats-ll; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 11:24:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 10:23:54 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508151523.AA08357@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Toys Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Good day all- It was reported in rec.toys.misc that the SK figures are starting to show up in different places. I see no reason to doubt the poster since it was in a general report of what he had seen that day, and he seemed very laxidazical(sp) about them. Simply saying that they looked good, but weren't selling well, can't imagine why!!!! I still have been stymied as far as the toys go, but I did pick up the videos. Taking a bit of critisism from the wife after she figured out these are the same ones that are on the CN. Life is good. Happy hunting, Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 15 22:33:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA14640 for kats-ll; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:07:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 19:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Holy bouncing Kat-messages Batman...Here's the FAQ To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ****************************************************************************** Hi guys. This is as good a time as any, I suppose. I've taken over as list administrator from Dana, who's found he actually has a life and wants to spend more time reading and contributing to the list as opposed to keeping us all in line. He's beginning his new job as a list civilian by giving me my first katsbounce:non-member submission! . Everything concerning list ops stays exactly as it is. ***************************************************************************** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:53:11 -0400 Subject: SWAT Kats FAQ To: kats@sard.mv.net () From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 4899 Here, for the public interest , is the latest SWAT Kats' FAQ. It can also be accessed via anonymous ftp or WWW from pumadyne.rat.org. Please send along any questions, comments or corrections to the FAQ! ----- Last Updated Fri Aug 11 16:34:05 PDT 1995 SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron Frequently Asked Questions =========================================================== _SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron_ is an animated series created in 1993 by two French-Canadian brothers, Christian Tremblay and Yvon Tremblay. Using their self-taught drawing skills and their own money, they managed to sell their creation of anthropomorphic felines, otherwise known as "Kats", to Hanna-Barbera. H-B produced 23 episodes of the SWAT Kats, 13 for the first season (1993-94) and 10 for the second season (1994-95). The second season fell three episodes shy of a full set because, in the middle of production, Turner Entertainment ordered H-B to cancel production of the series. The reason that Turner gave at the time was because the show wasn't moving merchandise -- although the series hardly had any merchandise to begin with! Therefore, Turner decided to yank the show even though it had been doing very well in the ratings. Go figure. Three episodes were storyboarded and the voice tracks laid down, but are currently still in limbo (and may very well become the "lost episodes" of the series). The *real* reason that Turner cancelled the series is a mystery, however; it may have been canned because of its violence and not because of its lack of merchandise. In fact, there should be some merchandise hitting the store shelves this summer: - Action figures (produced by Remco) of some of the characters, including T-Bone, Razor, Dark Kat, Doctor Viper -- due out in August - Video releases of some of the episodes -- due out in the first week of July - Video game for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (none for Sega yet, unfortunately) -- due out in the first week of July Update: all of the above have been sighted, but somewhat sparsely and randomly. Suggestion: check out a K-Mart if you can. The Cartoon Network is currently running episodes of the Kats -- Monday through Friday, 6 PM Eastern/3 PM Pacific. TBS will not carry the series beyond its current run. Currently available is a poster, which has been seen at the K-Mart in Inglewood, CA; other locations may also carry it (at least one other place outside of CA has it), but you may have to hunt for it. The animation studios involved in 'Kats production are Hanho Heung-Up and Mook, the former being a Taiwan studio and the latter a Japanese studio. Both seasons' episodes show an anime (Japanimation) influence, especially the second season's episodes, which were animated entirely by Mook. Christian Tremblay apparently wanted Mook to do all of the episodes, but found it uneconomical to do so. What's the proper spelling of 'SWAT Kats'? Most likely it's the way it's being spelled in the FAQ. The full title is, of course: "SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron", but there's been some question as to whether the word "SWAT Kats" should be written as a single word (i.e., "SWATKats"). And yes, it's with a "K", not a "C". T-Bone's and Razor's ages? According to Christian Tremblay, they're both in their mid-20s, but T-Bone is most definitely older. Trivia tidbit: Razor and T-Bone were initially named "Chuck" and "Yaeger", after the famous test pilot. Write your local station that carries the SWAT Kats (and/or TBS)! Tell them how much you like the series! You can also write H-B at: Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90068 When you write, you might want to include demographical information about yourself, such as your age, sex and geographic location. Hanna-Barbera is apparently very interested in learning who are fans of the 'Kats, so make yourself known! Pet peeve: Animations are NOT for children!!! FTP address for 'Kats stuff: pumadyne.rat.org, /pub/rat/kats. Lotsa gifs/jpegs and other goodies there. Sound bytes coming soon...? Web page: Yes, the 'Kats have their own web page (not official, but at least it's there): 'http://rat.org/kats'. For details, send email to 'rat@rat.org'. For the die-hard 'Kats fans: - To join a fan club (currently unofficial): email Walt Koziol (wkoziol@delphi.com). - A fanzine, KATATONIC, is also in the works and will be available for a limited run (contact Timothy Fay [fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu] for details). ========================================================================== FAQ maintained by: Dana Uehara (razor@netcom.com) Acknowledgements/Contributors: Andy Hill (chance@unix.infoserve.net) Timothy Fay (fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu) Paul Hurley (rat@rat.org) -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 15 23:03:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA14939 for kats-ll; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:54:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199508160254.WAA10239@interramp.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:51:38 +0000 Subject: I sent it!! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I managed to send a fax to the president of Hanna-Barbera about the cancellation of Swat Kats. Although i don't know if it go though... Where do the fazes go anyway? May the Power Protect you!!!!!!!!!!- Zordon From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 15 23:32:18 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA15331 for kats-ll; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:25:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9508160325.AA16094@cisk> Subject: Administrivia changeover To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 20:25:31 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 475 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Because of very limited free time on my hands, I'm stepping down as list maintainer/list manager and turning over the 'reins of power,' so to speak to Andy Hill. I'll still be maintaining the FAQ. I also have access to the FTP site non-anonymously, so I will be able to help in those areas. Hopefully this transition will be as smooth as possible. We'll have to see how things go. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 15 23:44:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA15429 for kats-ll; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:28:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: I sent it!! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199508160254.WAA10239@interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sat, 5 Aug 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: > I managed to send a fax to the president of Hanna-Barbera about the > cancellation of Swat Kats. Although i don't know if it go though... > > Where do the fazes go anyway? Hopefully somewhere a LOT faster than your e-mail - check out the date; "August FIFTH?!!!" Yikes. I thought my ISP was bad. That's a central fax number and whoever the message is addressed to normally gets it. Just make sure it's clearly marked who you send it to, and don't use any silly language if you can help it - we don't really want to leave a lousy taste in the secretary's mouth, do we? Little aside that's a bit off-topic: evidently, "Exosquad", which was given up for dead by ITS fans, is now gearing up for new production and a movie. USA network repreived it once the networks had canned it, and the fans wrote Universal to complain that it was being poorly handled. Sound familiar yet? There is a _far_ larger fanbase for SwatKats from what I've come across, so maybe Turner will take a look at Universal for some tips on how to do things PROPERLY when there's fan outcry. Write to em guys...I've got a nice three-pager on the way right now, cc'd to fax. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Listen son...I don't give a cahoots whether Rock'n'Roll _is_ changing the world. It means nothin' to me but dollars and cents..." --Elvis manager Col. Tom Parker, waving a wad of 100's at the idealistic. _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 15 23:52:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA15083 for kats-ll; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:08:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9508160308.AA16017@cisk> Subject: SWAT Kats FAQ (second try!) To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Tue, 15 Aug 95 20:08:03 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 4852 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Here's my second attempt at posting the FAQ (my first attempt bounced). As always, please let me know if you have any comments or corrections to the FAQ. Thanks! -- Last Updated Fri Aug 11 16:34:05 PDT 1995 SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron Frequently Asked Questions =========================================================== _SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron_ is an animated series created in 1993 by two French-Canadian brothers, Christian Tremblay and Yvon Tremblay. Using their self-taught drawing skills and their own money, they managed to sell their creation of anthropomorphic felines, otherwise known as "Kats", to Hanna-Barbera. H-B produced 23 episodes of the SWAT Kats, 13 for the first season (1993-94) and 10 for the second season (1994-95). The second season fell three episodes shy of a full set because, in the middle of production, Turner Entertainment ordered H-B to cancel production of the series. The reason that Turner gave at the time was because the show wasn't moving merchandise -- although the series hardly had any merchandise to begin with! Therefore, Turner decided to yank the show even though it had been doing very well in the ratings. Go figure. Three episodes were storyboarded and the voice tracks laid down, but are currently still in limbo (and may very well become the "lost episodes" of the series). The *real* reason that Turner cancelled the series is a mystery, however; it may have been canned because of its violence and not because of its lack of merchandise. In fact, there should be some merchandise hitting the store shelves this summer: - Action figures (produced by Remco) of some of the characters, including T-Bone, Razor, Dark Kat, Doctor Viper -- due out in August - Video releases of some of the episodes -- due out in the first week of July - Video game for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (none for Sega yet, unfortunately) -- due out in the first week of July Update: all of the above have been sighted, but somewhat sparsely and randomly. Suggestion: check out a K-Mart if you can. The Cartoon Network is currently running episodes of the Kats -- Monday through Friday, 6 PM Eastern/3 PM Pacific. TBS will not carry the series beyond its current run. Currently available is a poster, which has been seen at the K-Mart in Inglewood, CA; other locations may also carry it (at least one other place outside of CA has it), but you may have to hunt for it. The animation studios involved in 'Kats production are Hanho Heung-Up and Mook, the former being a Taiwan studio and the latter a Japanese studio. Both seasons' episodes show an anime (Japanimation) influence, especially the second season's episodes, which were animated entirely by Mook. Christian Tremblay apparently wanted Mook to do all of the episodes, but found it uneconomical to do so. What's the proper spelling of 'SWAT Kats'? Most likely it's the way it's being spelled in the FAQ. The full title is, of course: "SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron", but there's been some question as to whether the word "SWAT Kats" should be written as a single word (i.e., "SWATKats"). And yes, it's with a "K", not a "C". T-Bone's and Razor's ages? According to Christian Tremblay, they're both in their mid-20s, but T-Bone is most definitely older. Trivia tidbit: Razor and T-Bone were initially named "Chuck" and "Yaeger", after the famous test pilot. Write your local station that carries the SWAT Kats (and/or TBS)! Tell them how much you like the series! You can also write H-B at: Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90068 When you write, you might want to include demographical information about yourself, such as your age, sex and geographic location. Hanna-Barbera is apparently very interested in learning who are fans of the 'Kats, so make yourself known! Pet peeve: Animations are NOT for children!!! FTP address for 'Kats stuff: pumadyne.rat.org, /pub/rat/kats. Lotsa gifs/jpegs and other goodies there. Sound bytes coming soon...? Web page: Yes, the 'Kats have their own web page (not official, but at least it's there): 'http://rat.org/kats'. For details, send email to 'rat@rat.org'. For the die-hard 'Kats fans: - To join a fan club (currently unofficial): email Walt Koziol (wkoziol@delphi.com). - A fanzine, KATATONIC, is also in the works and will be available for a limited run (contact Timothy Fay [fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu] for details). ========================================================================== FAQ maintained by: Dana Uehara (razor@netcom.com) Acknowledgements/Contributors: Andy Hill (chance@unix.infoserve.net) Timothy Fay (fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu) Paul Hurley (rat@rat.org) -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 16 12:34:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA20936 for kats-ll; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 12:15:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3032197d12ba002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 11:14:53 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats FAQ (second try!) Content-Length: 112 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Thanks for the FAQ! Can you include the FAX numbers and other contact info in the next version? Thanks! -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 16 22:06:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA07221 for kats-ll; Wed, 16 Aug 1995 21:53:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 19:00:10 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199508170200.TAA24298@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: The fanzine Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net (forwarded from alt.tv.swatkats by Chance. Author was Tim Fay) Chance (chance@unix.infoserve.net) wrote: >...Tim Fay and a >couple of other mailing-list fans were going to start a Kat-fan mag >called "Katatonic", but didn't proceed further due to a whole bunch of >different things. I'm in the process of revamping the fanzine. The title will probably change to "Kats Alive!" and anyone who is interested in contributing to it is welcome to contact me via e-mail. Between TOON and ANIMATO! there are enough episode guides floating around. So I would like to focus on articles about Kat weapons and "mecha," along with character studies, fiction and other articles and/or original art. I plan to concentrate my efforts on editing and doing art for the 'zine. If anyone would like to contribute, please contact me at my e-mail address, below. There's no deadline, so I guess we could go to press as soon as we have enough material; for sure no later than the end of the year (so it could be ready for ConFurence in January). Thanks! (Feel free to distribute this to the mailing list, and to other Kat-fans.) -- Reply to: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu -- http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m279/fayxx001 -- "My mental facilities are TWICE what yours are -- you pea brain!" -Percival McLeach ++++ Stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal! ++++ ++++ if you agree copy these 3 sentences in your own sig ++++ ++++ more info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ++++ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Listen son...I don't give a cahoots whether Rock'n'Roll _is_ changing the world. It means nothin' to me but dollars and cents..." --Elvis manager Col. Tom Parker, waving a wad of 100's at the idealistic. _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 17 16:06:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA17390 for kats-ll; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:40:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 15:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: cosmo@Castle.net X-Sender: cosmo@arther To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Does the heart good...... In-Reply-To: <3022da7d6c90002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Just a small currection Plastic is recycled, quite a lot of it is, the problem most of it is not the consumer type but rather scrap or waste plastic left over from manufactoring processes. For example several million pounds of waste magnetic tape from 3M vido tape division is now recycled into the plastic disks used for electic sanders. Most of the office sypply (trays tape holders rullers) from 3M these days is made from or contains a large % or recycled regrind. The chemistry to make plastic remelt and mix with diffrent plastics is rapidly becomeing more well understood. Black and Decker is also using some of this technology I'm sure others are as well. (I don't work for these companies, but my father who is chemical engineer and develops this sort of recycling technology has consulted from these and other companies) Cosmo On Fri, 4 Aug 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > > Ed Rudnicki wrote: > > >Matt Weber wrote: > >>Hmmm.. I wonder what the Planeteers would say to Ted for polluting > >>the world with useless plastic toys that no one will buy? > > >I wonder if the CP figures have little "recycling" marks molded onto > >their butts, for when they (inevitably) get chucked :) > > Ironically, the kind of plastic used in "action figures" isn't recyclable. > And plastic recycling itself is a misnomer since plastic is never recycled, > i.e., turned into what it was before. "Recycled" plastic has very limited > uses and eventually winds up incinerated or in a landfill. > > Tsk, tsk. What _would_ the Planeteers have to say about that. :-) > > -Tim > From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 17 23:01:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA21904 for kats-ll; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:26:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9508180155.AA07932@cisk> Subject: Kat stuph To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 18:55:50 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 0 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Just got a call from Mark Lungo (the author of the "Animato!" article) earlier today. He told me he found a few SK figurines in a local K-Mart, so apparently the suggestion I put in the FAQ still holds. I'll be printing out a copy of the FAQ as well as a copy of some other stuff for Lungo and sending it to him. If you want to help me revise or update the FAQ before I send it out, please let me know ASAP! Thanks. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 17 23:37:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA22117 for kats-ll; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:09:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Kat stuph To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9508180155.AA07932@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Just got a call from Mark Lungo (the author of the "Animato!" article) > earlier today. He told me he found a few SK figurines in a local > K-Mart, so apparently the suggestion I put in the FAQ still holds. > > > I'll be printing out a copy of the FAQ as well as a copy of some other > stuff for Lungo and sending it to him. If you want to help me revise > or update the FAQ before I send it out, please let me know ASAP! Thanks. Arrggghhh...Dana beat me to the punch. Okay, I still have the "left hook".. The Ac-figure manufacturer, Remco, has the following 800 number for questions regarding who the hell actually bought all the figures. It is not "reachable from my calling area" (Canada), so it's up to one of the intrepid USA Kat-people to do the dialing. The number is: 1-800-438-0917 (just say you want to ask someone about the SwatKats figures) Here's one I may take on, but maybe someone in the area can beat me to it. K-Mart's head office is in Troy, Michigan. This is likely the only place to get an actual list of what stores have what - the local stores (well, 121 miles for me) don't really have a single clue to split between them. I'll forward Dana the contact info for the FAQ for people to write, and some other junk (including the newsgroup name, and the fanclub on Prodigy). _____________________________________________________________________________ "Listen son...I don't give a cahoots whether Rock'n'Roll _is_ changing the world. It means nothin' to me but dollars and cents..." --Elvis manager Col. Tom Parker, waving a wad of 100's at the idealistic. _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 18 00:06:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA22700 for kats-ll; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:53:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 23:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Kat stuph To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HU757R47HU94GJZQ@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Just got a call from Mark Lungo (the author of the "Animato!" article) > earlier today. He told me he found a few SK figurines in a local > K-Mart, so apparently the suggestion I put in the FAQ still holds. > Well, Dana beat me to the punch too! Incidentally, Mark lives in the Cleveland, OH area. Depending on how the toys are being distributed, you may want to take this into account. On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Andy Hill wrote: >Here's one I may take on, but maybe someone in the area can beat >me to it. K-Mart's head office is in Troy, Michigan. This is >likely the only place to get an actual list of what stores have >what - the local stores (well, 121 miles for me) don't really have >a single clue to split between them. I'll see if I can find anything out from them (since I live in MI). Although, I'm not sure if the Headquarters actually orders the stuff for individual regions. The store I used to work at was the regional office headquarters and a lot of stuff was processed through us instead of main HQ. -Matt Oh yeah! Animato! finally showed up at my local bookseller (Borders). I have to say Mark wrote an excellent article! Pick this one up if you can! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 18 11:06:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA28350 for kats-ll; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:42:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 09:42:06 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508181442.AA15903@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Kat stuph Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net O.k.-- I have a call into Remco, and was told that if I hadn't heard back in twenty minutes, to call again. Very nice lady (receptionist). So, hopefully we will know something in the next little while. Keep those fingers crossed, Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 18 11:36:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA28728 for kats-ll; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:21:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 10:19:21 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508181519.AA16225@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Kat stuph Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Just curious, is Remco in the southwest?? Three of the ladies I spoke with were Mexican (in sound) and very hard to understand, and that may have been were the problem lied in my questions concerning the Kat toys. The call!!!! Well, the call back when over like a lead balloon. I got tossed around through about 4 people, only to get sent back to the original person who answered the phone. (Not the same lady as the first time I called) All I was told is that "we haven't started to ship that item yet" I asked "Do you have a shipping date set" answer "No, I am not the one to answer that, and he isn't in today," I respond "CAn you tell me when the gentleman will be in, and who to ask for??" Answer "No, he isn't in my area." Yes, just about that quick. I got the feel I was being shoved off on a service rep. who really didn't have a clue or sent off on the phone line run around off into the company somewhere. Sorry all, if anyone else cares to try, best of luck. I found that the first time, the phone rang only twice, and I got the receptionist. The second time it rang 6-8 times and I got the run around. May be worth a call back to try for a 2 ring answer later. Striking out, Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 18 12:06:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA29176 for kats-ll; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:44:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 10:43:47 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508181543.AA16428@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Turner ignores the masses Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Andy Hill said on rec.toons >But, go ahead. Ignore your mail, the posts, the newsgroup, the 50 member >mailing list, the fan group on Prodigy and whatever you get through the >e-mail outlets - after all, just because you produced the stuff and we >can't find it doesn't represent any intrinsic flaw in the organization, >right? Actually hear last night that Ted and Jane are on vacation now, and he isn't taking any form of message from anyone from anywhere. I guess the "shut off the WORLD and it'll go away" theory is in effect for Ted. It's been said before..It's sad really!! Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 19 03:36:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA09266 for kats-ll; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 03:24:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9508190724.AA19106@cisk> Subject: SK action figures! To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Sat, 19 Aug 95 0:24:47 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 791 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, I went and did it. I checked out a local K-Mart (well, it was quite a drive for me because there isn't a K-Mart that's really "local" to my area) and found the SK action figures. Bought one of T-Bone and one of Razor. The T-Bone figurine was in a damaged package, so I managed to get 10% off the price (which, if I remember correctly, was round $5 for one). Unfortunately, I didn't see any other T-Bone figurines, and there was only one more Razor figurine (besides the one I bought), so I wasn't able to buy any more than what I did. I don't have the figurines right in front of me at the moment, so I'll have to wait until a bit later to check 'em out and post that to the list. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 19 12:37:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA11334 for kats-ll; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 12:09:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Katsuff...watch your step. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hey, got my 10 issues of Animato today. Four are spoken for, one of the intended recipients got their own, and I lost the DAMNLIST with the names of those who wanted them. E-me if you're interested in a copy. There was a problem this time around getting them into the comic stores because of Marvel actually, though indirectly. The article looks DAMN good. What makes it truly ironic is that H-B has this big three pager of advertising in there for their "storyboard WPT" contest - in between Mark's Kats article, and Mike Dobbs disparaging the World Premiere Toons in a column. They don't learn, do they? My only complaint is the artwork (and the fact that I don't _entirely_ agree with Mark's 'letter grades'). If you saw the "Toon" article sometime back, the shot of Razor and T-Bone in a kind of "we're the Kat's meow" pose in the triangle was actually altered for use in "Toon". The "Animato!" article has exactly the same picture, but left as it was originally; showing the prototypical "SwatKats" in a promotional shot. There's another Turner promo shot in there from NATPE 94, and an ECU of T-Bone. If you're looking for artwork, track down the "Toon" article that contains Butch Hartman's actual model sheets for the Kat guys and the Turbokat - but Mark's copy reads better and far more in-depth than anything you'll see in Swanigan's stuff. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Time-Warner has three seats on Ted's board, and owns a 20 percent stake in Turner Broadcasting. This is why Turner doesn't own CBS." -- 'Casper' _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 19 13:06:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA11718 for kats-ll; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 12:48:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Tress (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Forwarded from list subscriber ready to claw his sysop sideways. Until my ISP decides to rejoin the 20th century, I can't forward stuff to the kats newsgroup from e-mail. Could one of you guys cross this post to alt.tv.swatkats for me at the request of the original poster? Thanks. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 95 16:24:08 0500 From: Furplayguy To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: Tress The following was pulled down from AOL's new WB database (courtesy of a friend who has access): TRESS MacNEILLE (The Voice of "Dot Warner") A veteran voice-over actress, MacNeille has provided voices for radio and telev ision commercials, network promos, trailers, jingles, music videos and episodic tele vision, as well as a number of popular animated series, including: "Steven Spielberg Pre sents Tiny Toon Adventures" (Babs), "The Simpsons," "Chip 'N Dale Rescue Rangers" (Chip a nd Gadget). "Rugrats," "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles," "The Critic," "Mighty Max, " "Cro," "Duckman," "The Adventures of Batman & Robin," "The Mask" and "Bobby's World."Tress was also a long-time member of The Groundlings, the renowned improvisational comedy troupe based in Los Angeles. ****end of WB excerpt**** Notice how they mentioned even the obscure shows that have long since went off the air (like"Cro"),yet they somehow neglected to mention her involvement in SWAT KATS. If THIS is'nt a good example of how the animation industry is trying to "sweep SK under the rug", I don't know what is (NOW I know what Trotsky must've felt like when he found out that all images of him were being airbrushed out of communist party photographs). From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 19 16:36:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA13052 for kats-ll; Sat, 19 Aug 1995 16:25:06 -0400 Message-Id: From: mintedb@ndlc.occ.uky.edu (David Minter) Subject: SWAT Kats SNES game! To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 15:14:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2765 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net A Waxworks in my area ( Owensboro, Ky ) has gotten the SWAT Kats SNES video game for rent! It doesn't break any new ground, but it's GREAT for a platform game! Razor is a tad off in term of graphics, but other than they're great. The ending should make any Kat fan laugh. It's not that difficult, although at first you're weak as a kitten, excuse the pun. The Glovatrixes don't fire very far, oddly enough. A nice touch would have been if the gloves had a bionic arm attachment ala Bionic Commando. Once you get used to the way the Kats jump from walls ( This could have been improved vastly! ) There's a nice inside joke in the Metallikats stage! In a subway, there are various posters along the walls. One has what looks like Razor from the H-B "We are Cartoons!" still dressed up in a trench coat and fedora. Written on it is, "THE MOVIE" Another nice touch is at Level Up when your given character uses his trademark phrase ( "BINGO!" or "GOTCHA!" ). The game uses the voices of Charlie Adler and that guy from "Archie Bunker's Place" ( Barry Gordon? ) or voice clips thereof. Apparently, the programmers are either viewers or watched the show to get ideas for the monsters. There's the Pastmaster's dragon and cyclopses, the robot Metallikat guards from "A Bright and Shiny Future," Creeplings, mini Madkats, giant Bacteria, Creeplings galore, and a cameo by Hardrive as an inbetween boss in Dark Kat's liar! Just before fighting the bosses ( Dr. Viper, Madkat, the Metallikats, the Pastmaster, and Dark Kat ), the game displays those grid bios seen at the end of the episodes. A nice nostalgic touch. The Turbokat is intigrated into the game mechanics nicely. You must use it to defeat the Giant Bacteria by first dodging or destroying insectoids and then flying into its gullet and attacking a multi-eyed heart firing some sort of bacteriological agents at you. It is also used against the gigantic worm in the Callista episode in the same way as the Giant Bacteria and finally to gain access to a gigantic version of Dark Kat's plane from "The Wrath of Dark Kat," dodging a whole slew of targeting missles! So, all in all, if you can't afford the game, at least rent it. It's a nice jaunt through soon to be gone memories of Kats gone by, and it isn't too frustrating. I got to Dark Kat ( Himself, and not just his stage. ) before my first "Game Over." on the hard difficulty setting. I'm somewhat strapped for cash at the moment, so I'll wait until it goes on sale at Waxworks; sadly, I don't think it will rent that much, although it was checked out the first time I saw it on the shelf on Friday. Keep those Kat claws sharp! David Minter From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 20 02:36:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA20903 for kats-ll; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 02:33:48 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 02:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Katsuff...watch your step. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HUA3FI43S28YB73G@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 20 18:07:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA25327 for kats-ll; Sun, 20 Aug 1995 17:48:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 10:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Cool..Animato! has an e-mail address... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Those of us that have got, or are getting, the Animato! article on SwatKats can send their comments on Mark's article (and the show in general, I suppose) to the "Letters" page via e-mail: animato22@aol.com _____________________________________________________________________________ "Time-Warner has three seats on Ted's board, and owns a 20 percent stake in Turner Broadcasting. This is why Turner doesn't own CBS." -- 'Casper' _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 22 10:38:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA17334 for kats-ll; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:09:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:20:16 -0700 From: Chance Message-Id: <199508221420.HAA13847@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: SK TOY PICS ON FTP?? Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net **Crossed by Chance from alt.tv.swatkats*** From: John Saponaro Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Re: SK TOY PICS ON FTP?? Date: 19 Aug 1995 20:19:33 GMT If they're going to release SWAT KATS toys (i.e. "Ninja-Kick Razor Action Figure," "TurboKat with Detachable CycloTron Missle," "Callie Briggs Fashion Figure with Wardrobe"), they may as well authorize a third full season of the series, or at least license the property to a comic book company (I hear Archie is publishing FLINTSTONES and JETSONS comics). In any case, I don't want to wait twenty years for new episodes like I did with THE JETSONS. Even with the cat puns, this cartoon has more guts than other comedy toons. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 22 13:37:25 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA20093 for kats-ll; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:27:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: calling all kat fan fiction! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Web page: http://rat.org/kats or for those of you without web access.... FTP site: rat.org /pub/kats/stories/ On the web page, just click on "Fan Fiction". I have all 5 chapters of "Swat Kats Unmasked" by Andy Hill in there now. I'd like to get more if there's any out there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 22 22:07:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA27331 for kats-ll; Tue, 22 Aug 1995 21:54:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 21:54:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: SWAT Kats SNES game! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HUE0K7OWL48X0XD1@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net > A Waxworks in my area ( Owensboro, Ky ) has gotten the SWAT >Kats SNES video game for rent! It doesn't break any new ground, If you live in IL, IN, MI, MN, TX, WI, Kansas, or Missouri check out FuncoLand. They already have the SK game listed in their "used" section! However, they didn't have any in stock when I last checked (a MI store). I'm going to check again later this week. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 23 09:37:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA02988 for kats-ll; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 09:33:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: SWAT Kats SNES game! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HUE0K7OWL48X0XD1@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > > A Waxworks in my area ( Owensboro, Ky ) has gotten the SWAT > >Kats SNES video game for rent! It doesn't break any new ground, > > If you live in IL, IN, MI, MN, TX, WI, Kansas, or Missouri check out > FuncoLand. They already have the SK game listed in their "used" > section! However, they didn't have any in stock when I last checked > (a MI store). I'm going to check again later this week. Sad, really. When you heavy SNES victims go looking for a game to buy/rent for the machine, what do you look for? Offhand, I'd guess it would be something you've seen advertised, you know..."somewhere". It's not popular because it's not advertised, it's not advertised because it's perceived as not being popular; it's a Catch-22 courtesy of Turner Marketing. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 23 10:37:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA03594 for kats-ll; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 10:08:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:19:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: (fwd) Re: SK TOY PICS ON FTP?? (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:12:13 -0700 Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Re: SK TOY PICS ON FTP?? (original poster to a.t.sk was Kyle Cummings) SK was offered to all major comics pubs. MARVEL and DC turned it downed and IMAGES policy is no licensed material. Then a year later my company I work for, SCC ENTERTIANMENT, talked to a representative at the SDCC, where how can i say, the rep for H-B trashed it completey. Why? We don't know, but we DO know the H-B and TBC better get some ideas of what people want, and give it to them. "Hello, my name is ted Turner and I'm and idiot." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 23 15:37:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA08786 for kats-ll; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:35:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 09:34:53 HST Message-Id: <9508231934.AA05327@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> X-Sender: higa@math.hawaii.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: higa@math.hawaii.edu (Jonathan Higa) Subject: SK TOY PICS ON FTP? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net At 07:19 AM 8/23/95 -0700, kats@sard.mv.net wrote: >[...] Then a year later my company I >work for, SCC ENTERTIANMENT, talked to a representative at the SDCC, >where how can i say, the rep for H-B trashed it completey. [...] I don't fully understand this, so please correct me if I'm reading this improperly (you don't have to say anything if this interpretation is correct): Is the poster saying that "the representative of Hanna-Barbera trashed [S.W.A.T. Kats] [completely]"? -- Jonathan Higa, higa@math.hawaii.edu, http://math.hawaii.edu/~higa/ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 23 17:07:50 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA09676 for kats-ll; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 16:41:01 -0400 Message-Id: From: mintedb@ndlc.occ.uky.edu (David Minter) Subject: E-mail change. To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 15:29:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 457 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net MCI will be buying out my I-net provider soon. As such, my e-mail address with change. Now, how should I go about remaining on the SK mailing list? Would it be best to just unsubscribe then subscribe when I get my new address? I have the automated command for unsubscribing, but how would I then go about subscribing again? Thanks! David Minter mintedb@ndlc.occ.uky.edu But soon to be... ? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 23 18:08:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA10842 for kats-ll; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:44:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 17:44:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: changing your address Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net (keep reading) scroll down. keep going Sorry about all that space, but I had to in order to post this message and not have the mailing list software think I'm trying to subscribe. anyway.... if you change your email address, mail a message from the old address to majordomo@lists.mv.net and put "unsubscribe kats" in the message body. Then write from the new address and put "subscribe kats". if you can't write from the old address, put "unsubscribe kats oldaddress@somwhere.com" Any questions regarding the technical aspects of this mailing list should definatly NOT go to the list, but should go to owner-kats@lists.mv.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.org WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 24 01:37:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA15677 for kats-ll; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 01:25:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 01:25:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Swat Kats Action Figure Blister Card JPEG (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I put the file on rat.org ftp://rat.org/pub/kats/images/promo/skblistr.jpg p.s. I know I'll be calling my toy store tomorrow. Viper looks awesome! :-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 23:00:46 -0500 From: Victor Ramirez To: rat@rat.org Subject: Swat Kats Action Figure Blister Card JPEG Hey Paul! Since I could not access the FTP of rat.org tonight, I'm mailing you the jpeg of the SK Action Fig blister card. It has the four characters and I thought everyone who hasnt picked them up could use this picture. Note: all Toys R Us in the Chicago area has plenty of all four figs! Can you post the image on your web site and give a blurb about it through the mailing list? Thanks in advance again!!!! ---- Victor A. Ramirez ramivic@elof.acc.iit.edu http://xtreme2.acc.iit.edu/~hubcummi From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 24 09:37:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA19576 for kats-ll; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:22:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 06:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: SK TOY PICS ON FTP? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9508231934.AA05327@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Jonathan Higa wrote: > At 07:19 AM 8/23/95 -0700, kats@sard.mv.net wrote: > >[...] Then a year later my company I > >work for, SCC ENTERTIANMENT, talked to a representative at the SDCC, > >where how can i say, the rep for H-B trashed it completey. [...] > > I don't fully understand this, so please correct me if I'm reading this > improperly (you don't have to say anything if this interpretation is > correct): Is the poster saying that "the representative of Hanna-Barbera > trashed [S.W.A.T. Kats] [completely]"? > -- Yup. For those of us that missed the earlier stuff on the subject, Turner was present at SanDiego Comicon (where the "players" in animation and comicdom generally roll out their new stuff and talk about their old) and a couple of us Katfans did some asking of them. Kyle Cummings, who evidently works for the comic company in question, posted to the swatkats newsgroup that when his comix co. approached H-B to talk about the likelihood of a comic, the H-B rep just laughed them off and bashed the show's potential in that medium. It's a common theme actually. Dark Horse, epoch of cluelessness, told Christian Tremblay to forget about doing a Kat comic because "can't characters don't work (or sell, forget which)", yet they've gone full steam ahead on a comix adaptation of the sorry cartoon "The Mask". Bigger heads prevail, I suppose. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 24 12:07:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA22398 for kats-ll; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:01:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 07:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: "Blackout" by Lance Falk and Eric Clark To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hi guys. This is an unused episode of Kats written by the same guys who gave us "Metal Urgency", and were on the SwatKats design team. It's a rough "story premise", and I'm getting the actual script in the mail later. Part one of..well, a few I guess. BLACKOUT ACT ONE Twilight in Megakat City, with a storm on the way. BOOM! Jake and Chance's regular battle of wits with Burke and Murray is interrupted by a violent shockwave from underground. (an effect felt all over the city). Simultaneously, there is a sudden power outage in the wide local area. Our boys hustle their "guests" away, grab flashlights and bolt for the secret hangar. Jake starts up the emergency generator and Chance activates the giant hangar viewscreen. Ann Gora (from show one) is broadcasting live from the epicenter of the disturbance. It is unbelievable! The local power station has disappeared. In it's place is an enormous bottomless pit! The Swatkats jet into action. At the site, three strange looking robot drones emerge from the pit and take up a triangular position in the sky. Between them, they project a mammoth viewscreen against the clouds. On this screen appears the meglomaniacal fiend BLACKOUT. This armored, impressive and (intentionally) melodramatic villain demands full political power over Megakat city or he will continue to abscond the city's power stations. The city will be plunged into darkness and chaos! Razor and T-Bone are having none of this! They engage the agile drones in a wild air combat. The tiny laser projecting devices prove challenging but not unbeatable. The peerless combat flying of our heroes blast Blackout's toys into scrap! T-Bone flies over the 'bottomless' pit for a closer look when the jet is seized in the mighty grip of Blackout's "gravity beam" (the same force which grabbed the power station.) The jet begins an uncontrolled spin into the gaping maw of the pit! END ACT ONE (Editor's notes: In series TV, most episodes run 22 minutes before commercial breaks are inserted to flesh them out to half an hour. Traditionally, there are two major breaks in any animated series ep, and the action is generally tailored so that the commercial breaks occur during a cliffhanger or some plot point that makes you eager for more. In scriptwriting, the commercial breaks occur at the end of each "ACT"; so, as we're at the end of "ACT ONE" now, we would expect to see an ad, and another at the end of "ACT TWO". "ACT 3" of course ends with the credit roll. If you already knew all this stuff, spank me). ACT TWO Razor deploys a half dozen "bungee grapples" from every side of the Turbokat into all sides of the pit, causing the advanced jet to "sproing" free of the gravity field. Callie signals the cats for an emergency meeting. She informs them that the city cannot afford to lose more than one more power station before the whole city is plunged into total darkness. (The coming storm ain't gonna help the situation either!) Callie introduces top police scientist ELLIOT KLIBAN. A nebbishy type given to over-reacting, never the less, Elliot's scientific brilliance may be of help, according to the deputy Mayor. Kliban warns emphatically about the danger of confronting Blackout, a cat who controls gravity itself, but the Swatkats are undaunted. As if to punctuate the mood, the storm chooses that moment to begin. Meanwhile, Feral and Manx are having a serious disagreement. The craven Mayor is prepared to give in to Blackout's demands. Feral insists on a chance to stop the techno-terrorist. Manx reluctantly agrees. ----Gotta stop here guys...it's a work-thing--- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Aug 25 09:37:58 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA05892 for kats-ll; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 09:25:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 08:24:45 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508251324.AA13743@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: CN-What's the deal?? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net For all you out there, watching(taping) the run of Kats on CN: I hoped you stopped your VCRs last night before it started. In case you didn't you now have 2 copies of "The Giant Bacteria". I haven't looked at the episode list to see which episode they skipped, but I wouldn't think you'd start showing reruns until the entire run is over. With just 5 weekdays left in the month, I don't see them making it through all episodes. I guess their just going to ignore the whole second season?? Come on Ted, give us all the Damn episodes before they disappear in toon oblivion. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 26 00:39:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA16840 for kats-ll; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 00:18:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199508260417.AAA24582@interramp.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" To: Kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 23:16:47 +0000 Subject: Win 95 it. Priority: urgent X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well i just got my copy of win 95 and am about to get microsoft plus which help's out the speed of 486 alot. Any newn progress toward the renewal of the show? May the Power Protect you!!!!!!!!!!- Zordon From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 26 01:09:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA17100 for kats-ll; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 00:50:40 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 00:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Win 95 it. In-Reply-To: <199508260417.AAA24582@interramp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: > Well i just got my copy of win 95 and am about to get microsoft plus > which help's out the speed of 486 alot. Come on now. You know better than this. I think it's safe to say this is DEFINATLY off topic. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 26 01:39:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA17515 for kats-ll; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:16:43 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0smDZ4-000B28C;Sat, 26.Aug.95.01.13.EDT Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Win 95 it. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: > > > Well i just got my copy of win 95 and am about to get microsoft plus > > which help's out the speed of 486 alot. > > Come on now. You know better than this. I think it's safe to say this is > DEFINATLY off topic. > Yeah, well, that and it's a lie. /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 26 01:48:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA17473 for kats-ll; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:09:55 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0smDRt-000B28C;Sat, 26.Aug.95.01.06.EDT Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 01:06:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: CN-What's the deal?? In-Reply-To: <9508251324.AA13743@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > For all you out there, watching(taping) the run of Kats on CN: > > I hoped you stopped your VCRs last night before it started. > In case you didn't you now have 2 copies of "The Giant Bacteria". > I haven't looked at the episode list to see which episode they skipped, > but I wouldn't think you'd start showing reruns until the entire run > is over. With just 5 weekdays left in the month, I don't see them making > it through all episodes. I guess their just going to ignore the whole > second season?? Come on Ted, give us all the Damn episodes before they > disappear in toon oblivion. > > Ian > Thank you! I didn't get time to post a message before you did... :-) I agree with you... It seems that way, and today they played "The Metallikats" again. Now, instead of starting with season 2, they are playing season 1 again, IN ORDER! Aggggh!!! Damn it Ted, get a clue! /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 26 12:38:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA20846 for kats-ll; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:36:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 09:49:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: "Blackout", PT.II and general To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net First, the "General": Clearly off-topic stuff like a recent post often just represents a single lapse in judgement by one of the subscribers. No problem; the individual just gets a polite note from me reminding them that this isn't what people subscribed to the list for, and to please not do it again. If others (other than admin-types) post followups to the list, we end up with kind of a mushroom effect and have three or four off-topic posts instead of the one - which the admin folks took care of anyway! I guess those of us with TBS noted that the timeslot for the remainder of the run has shifted back to 6:35 Eastern (the birds aren't even up where I live when the Kats air - 4:35 am), so adjust your VCR's if you're trying to catch the last eps. TCN's re-running of the original season is a big puzzle - someone maybe would like to e-mail "toonnet@aol.com" and ask them why (I can't because I'm on the Turnercom "hit-list" now, because I asked pointed questions about the Kats from those guys, and it got me "noticed" - but no reply). Anyways..on with the story. (If you missed the first part, or the earlier script premise for "Cold War", please e-mail for a copy. This was written by Kats design/writer Lance Falk and Eric Clark, and would've become an episode, but the Tremblay's already had an "underground" themed ep <"Caverns of Horror"> for that season, and the powers that be postponed this script until the non-existent third season). ACT TWO (..and a half..) ...Feral insists on a chance to stop the techno-terrorist. Manx reluctantly agrees. Kliban predicts Blackout's next target: the city's main power station which powers Police Headquarters and City Hall. The Turbokat arrives on the site in moments. Below, Feral and his squad endure the heavy rain and stand guard around the station. As if cued by a dramatic flash of lightning, Power station number two is yanked violently down! (this is the first time we actually SEE this efffect, in all it's violent glory) <<--editors note: these guys don't pull any punches about the "violence" aspect of bad-guy behaviour, huh?-->> The ground shatters, tall electrical towers are yanked free of their moorings. Feral and his men have to jump free of one such tower as it slams into a flooded area of the street. The standing water is electrified and even causes a few parked enforcer vehicles to explode! This is more than the Swatkats can take! The hell with Kliban's warnings! T-Bone points the jet toward the newly-formed pit and dives into the abyss, full throttle! It's one hell of a ride, but T-Bone manages to retain an iron-like control over the screaming, diving jet. The TurboKat's control lights illuminate an amazing site far below. The huge power station disappears beneath a pair of mammoth doors at the bottom of the mile deep shaft. The doors close below, creating a smooth landing platform (remember the false volcano lid in "You Only Live Twice"). When the landing platform closes beneath them, it creates a fortunate side-effect: the gravity beam shuts off. The Turbokat makes a gently vertical landing on the metal floor of the shaft. A second door slams shut above the landed jet, trapping it in the bottom of the mile deep pit! Night-vision goggles reveal a staggeringly huge network of Carlsbad type caverns. Razor suggest a little recon work. The boys launch in a cyclotron missile, complete with sidecar. The cave path leads to a high-tech metal corridor in the bowels of the cave. Suddenly, Blackout's automatic defences attack! T-Bone and Razor split up (the sidecar can operate independently) and blast a path through the gauntlet of lethal devices. (lots of cool stuff, whirring blades, acid spray nozzles, laser beam-eyed flying squid-shaped robots, etc. etc) The melee turns desperate as the cyclotron weapons are exhausted. A small cave-in seperates the two cats and the speeding T-Bone is forced to crash into a metal wall. Under Blackout's direction, hovering robot sentries grab the big unconscious SwatKats and take him away. END ACT TWO (The commercial would normally go here, but I'll talk instead. "You Only Live Twice" was a sixties James Bond movie with Sean Connery that involved a secret underground bad-guy base hidden in an expired Volcano. Aerial reconnaissance was completely fooled by the appearance of the outside, as what appeared to be a "lake" in the Volcano's crater was in fact a set of large doors that retracted to allow the departure of rockets from within. This is what Lance is referring to. For future reference, the Kats interested Lance Falk due to their sci-fi angle and gadgetry; not so much the monster battles. When you look at his stuff this becomes apparent when you notice aspects of the story that you've seen somewhere before! Lance wrote two episodes for STNG that weren't picked up before it was cancelled, and is now doing art-direction on the sci-fi tinged "Animaniacs" eps for Warners). _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 26 13:08:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA20982 for kats-ll; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:49:38 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 12:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "Blackout", PT.II and general In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sat, 26 Aug 1995, Chance wrote: > I guess those of us with TBS noted that the timeslot for the remainder of > the run has shifted back to 6:35 Eastern (the birds aren't even up where > I live when the Kats air - 4:35 am), so adjust your VCR's if you're > trying to catch the last eps. TCN's re-running of the original season is My TV guide says 7:35 still. ARG! WHICH IS IT? I think I'll set it to record both time slots just in case. I still don't have some of the 2nd season eps. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Aug 26 18:38:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA23293 for kats-ll; Sat, 26 Aug 1995 18:10:40 -0400 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats.id.m0smTOL-000AwzC;Sat, 26.Aug.95.18.07.EDT Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 18:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if TCN has just slacked off on the 5:30PM time slot, or what but I had my recorder all programmed and hoping to catch them playing a season 2 episode, and nothing! Just some dogs! (What happened to "equal time for cats"? :-) /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 27 13:08:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA03712 for kats-ll; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 13:01:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 12:01:18 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508271701.AA10879@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: "Blackout", PT.II and general Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net > TCN's re-running of the original season is a big puzzle - someone maybe would like to e-mail "toonnet@aol.com" and ask them why (I can't because I'm on the Turnercom "hit-list" now, because I asked pointed questions about the Kats from those guys, and it >got me "noticed" - but no reply). I did it as soon as I sent out the VCR warning on Fri. No response as of yet. I'll keep ya posted. The message I sent is as follows (polite enough I think) ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From lynn@sv1 Fri Aug 25 08:32:06 1995 Return-Path: From: lynn@sv1 (Ian Lynn) To: toonnet@aol.com Subject: Swatkats-showing complete run? Cc: lynn@gentire.com Content-Length: 720 X-Lines: 17 To whom it may concern: I was curious as to whether you plan on showing a complete run of the wonderful show, SwatKats. I thought you were well on your way to accomplishing this feat, until you (the channel) re-ran Ep. 1 (The Giant Bacteria) last night (Thurs. Aug. 24). Was there a problem with the scheduled episode, or have you chosen to skip a few of the least popular episodes? I ask this information, because I set up my VCR to tape the episodes, and would like to know if I've taped all episodes that you will be showing. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Ian Lynn (E-mail address: lynn@gentire.com) ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 27 15:08:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA04654 for kats-ll; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:45:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:45:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Toys R Us Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net They have a web page. http://www.tru.com/ only thing I found useful on it was their list of store locations which has the phone numbers. http://www.tru.com/usa.html It was quite helpful in my tracking down Swat Kats action figures. Easier than the phone book since it covered the whole state. Any other national chains carry the action figs? None of the toys R us stores around me have them in stock. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Aug 27 23:40:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA09517 for kats-ll; Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:16:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Toys R Us To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, Paul Hurley wrote: > Any other national chains carry the action figs? None of the toys R us stores > around me have them in stock. Yep. Christian Tremblay said K-Mart and Target - though the only sightings of the things have so far been in TRU and K-Mart. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 28 09:09:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA13874 for kats-ll; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:08:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 06:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: "Blackout" - Last part, by Lance Falk and Eric Clark To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net ACT THREE T-Bone awakes to find himself in Blackout's massive and complex control center. In true movie cereal (sic) tradition, Blackout gloats and taunts his captive audience. A few key phrases give Chance enough clues to uncover the secret identity of "Blackout"...none other than Elliot Kliban! Kliban unmasks and brags about the effectiveness of his dual identity. Government drone during the day (using his position in the Enforcers to misdirect them) and meglomaniacal arch-villian at night! "As Kliban, I warned you to stay away, now that you know my secret, you must DIE!" raves Elliot. Meanwhile, Razor has reached the Turbokat. Activating it's VTOL hover mode, he sets off in search of his pal. (Periodically we cut to him blasting his way through the caverns, fighting robot defence drones all the while). With minutes to go before "Blackout" uses his gravity beam to steal a third and final generator, T-Bone asks the Enforcer scientist "how did a weenie like you ever build this amazing complex with it's array of advanced and evil technology?" (*author's note* don't worry guys, my real dialogue will be a lot more natural than THIS!) "found it!" laughs Kliban. (in flashback) he tells of stumbling upon this complex during a routine enforcer investigation, months ago. "It had been abandoned for decades, but everything still worked perfectly!" An evil scientist made it his 'nine lives work' constructing the complex and it's diabolical devices in order to blackmail the city government (a very young Manx, enjoying his first term) out of fifteen million dollars. "The funny thing is, on the eve of implementing his scheme, the ORIGINAL Blackout won THIRTY million in the city lottery!" "He just covered everyting in covers, left the keys and instruction manual on the floor, and split to retire on some tropical island. He also left a note wishing good luck to whoever finds this joint so his life's work won't be for nothing!" (It should be noted that Kliban bases his whole 'villian persona' on old movies he watched as a kid!) Kliban finishes-up his narrative to throw the switch, when the Turbokat explodes through a wall into the command chamber! An entire SQUADRON of robot sentries are on his heels! Razor blasts the main control panel into slag. Elliot panics. Now he has NO WAY to control the sentries! (OR open up an exit from the place!) A well placed shot frees T-Bone, who grabs the scrawny wanna be world-beater and stuffs him into the jet. When all three cats are sealed-up in the Turbokat, Razor gets a crazy idea to save them all. The x-ray beamer reveals that the ocean is on the other side of the far stone wall of the control center. The daredevil weapons officer blasts a jet-sized hole in the wall, causing the sea to rush in the chamber, with metal-tearing force! T-Bone puts the 'pedal to the Metal' and powers the jet against the tide and out into open ocean. The flood of water causes the entire subterranean complex to explode in a spectacular display of underwater pyrotechnics! Amazingly, the Turbokat bursts from teh ocean into open sky and begins it's long flight home. *author's note again* I KNOW the physics arre kind of ridiculous, but it is dramatic and this IS a cartoon! Weeks later, the Swatkats receive a (forwarded) letter from a remote tropical island paradise, it reads: Dear Swatkats, "Thanks for shutting down that Kliban guy, it's weenies like him that gives us mad scientists a bad name! respectfully yours, The REAL Blackout. THE END ***MY NOTES*** The comic impertinence of naming the villian "Elliot Kliban" is typical of Lance's sense of humour (remember, "Mutilor" was the name of a pal's pet Goldfish!). For those of us who don't already know, there was a character that was quite popular in the mid-80's called "Kliban's Cat", which for a while was right up there in popularity with "Garfield" and had a number of books published. "Kliban's Cat" usually appeared as a one panel daily/weekly along the lines of "The Far Side" (if I recall). _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 28 18:38:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA23108 for kats-ll; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:31:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "White Trash (SK)" To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, all of you that have been keeping up with the 'Kats on TCN will be glad to know that next week, they will be moving to 5:30PM EST M-F starting next week. I remember a discussion a while back about what the "They're Coming..." ads were for, even after they were airing in the 6PM time slot. I think this explains it. /mad From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Aug 28 23:08:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA26311 for kats-ll; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BA7590.AC010B80@us010700.interramp.com> From: Matthew Milam To: "'kats@sard.mv.net'" Subject: Now i am conviced!!!!!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:52:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I just got my copy of the issue with The Swat Kats in it and was astounded at how much they emphazied the show. And i swear that now i have one mission: To demolish Ted Turner's cancellation of this show. Thank you everyone, Matthew Milam From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 09:08:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA00598 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:43:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 07:42:53 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508291242.AA04035@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Well, all of you that have been keeping up with the 'Kats on TCN will be >glad to know that next week, they will be moving to 5:30PM EST M-F starting >next week. Well, a new time slot is fine, but for how long, and are we going to get any second season episodes?? I still haven't got a response back from the "toonnet@aol.com" on my letter to them, asking about the the second season, guess since I mentioned I liked the show it was too dangerous to answer. Anyone know what the typical turn-around time on responses are from TCN?? On the edge of going off topic: TCN will be re-running "Twice upon a time" Sunday for anyone who missed it the first time. I want to know what the pay-off was for the kids in the "You say it, We play it" segments were the kids request their favorite "WPT". "Here kid we'll give you an ice cream if you say you want to see George and Jr.." I can here it now. Till next time. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 09:22:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA00908 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:03:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: BOUNCE kats: Non-member submission from [White Trash ] (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Erherm. Ahhh...here's another bounce. Wish my tennis balls bounced this well... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:06:13 -0400 From:owner-kats@sard.mv.net To: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Subject: BOUNCE kats: Non-member submission from [White Trash ] >From owner-kats Mon Aug 28 18:06:11 1995 Received: from mv.mv.com by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA22819 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:06:10 -0400 Received: (mad@localhost) by mv.mv.com (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-940616) id SAA25770 for kats@sard.mv.net; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:06:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:06:07 -0400 From: White Trash Message-Id: <199508282206.SAA25770@mv.mv.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN In regards to my last message, I think this time change explains the little bumpers they were playing all this month ("They're Coming...")... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 09:38:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA01278 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:30:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Admin-type stuff. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Those of us with more than one account should ensure that they're sending submissions to the list from the account that they typed "subscribe kats" from - else you're going to get trapped in the anti-Olga gears. Someone else sent a message that appeared to be a MIME attachment, and I think the system choked (mine does too...). That is all. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 09:48:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA00886 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:02:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: BOUNCE kats: Non-member submission from [White Trash ] (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hmmm. Okay, some hyperspace anomaly prevented White Trash's post from going to the list - here's the missing item. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:04:37 -0400 From:owner-kats@sard.mv.net To: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Subject: BOUNCE kats: Non-member submission from [White Trash ] >From owner-kats Mon Aug 28 18:04:34 1995 Received: from granite.mv.net by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA22769 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:04:34 -0400 Received: from mv.mv.com by granite.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA25598; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:04:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:04:32 -0400 (EDT) From: White Trash To: Ratman cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: TCN! Again! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, it's official. Those watching the 'Kats tonight on TCN would have seen that next week they're moving to 5:30PM M-F... Maybe now we'll get a chance at some of the season 2 episodes...? .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Mike Dugas, aka WhiteTrsh - - mad@mv.mv.com | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "Hey you! With your ear against the wall, waiting for someone to | | call out, would you touch me?" -Pink Floyd | `-------------------------------------------------------------------------' From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 09:51:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA01226 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:25:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:26:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: TCN To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9508291242.AA04035@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > >Well, all of you that have been keeping up with the 'Kats on TCN will be > >glad to know that next week, they will be moving to 5:30PM EST M-F starting > >next week. > > Well, a new time slot is fine, but for how long, and are we going to > get any second season episodes?? > > I still haven't got a response back from the "toonnet@aol.com" on > my letter to them, asking about the the second season, guess since > I mentioned I liked the show it was too dangerous to answer. > Anyone know what the typical turn-around time on responses are from TCN?? I did an experiment awhile back to test this. I asked the "toonnet" address something basic during the first week of July: "What will be the Kats showtimes during the "SwatKats Month in July?" I got the reply telling me the times for the program...two weeks later when July was nearly August. Asking something difficult gets you ignored, so keep it simple if you don't want to be talking to yourself. > I want to know what the pay-off was for the kids in the > "You say it, We play it" segments were the kids request their favorite > "WPT". "Here kid we'll give you an ice cream if you say you want to see > George and Jr.." I can here it now. They aren't doing all that well despite what Teddy Bear says. Even in Hanna-Barbera, the opinions vary from "They're sh*t", to "some are good. The majority aren't". These people are ex-Kats forced to work on this stuff. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 10:38:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA02104 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:12:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 09:12:02 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508291412.AA04860@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >> I want to know what the pay-off was for the kids in the >> "You say it, We play it" segments were the kids request their favorite >> "WPT". "Here kid we'll give you an ice cream if you say you want to see >> George and Jr.." I can here it now. >They aren't doing all that well despite what Teddy Bear says. Even in >Hanna-Barbera, the opinions vary from "They're sh*t", to "some are good. >The majority aren't". These people are ex-Kats forced to work on this stuff. In all actuallity, from the commercials, it appears TCN bought out a BIG pool for the day, plastered their insignia everywhere and let in the kids. So I'm sure the kids were willing to say just about anything to make their pool-overlords happy. Plus if you watch the kids some look off to the left of the camera, so there may be a little coaxing going on there. I find it funny that none of the kids request "first season" toons,i.e. PowderPuff Girls, Dexter's Lab (nominated for an emmy, watch for the push), etc. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 12:08:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA04219 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:59:28 -0400 Message-Id: <3043393472c1002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 10:58:44 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: BOUNCE kats: Non-member submission from [White Trash ] (fwd) Content-Length: 244 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net >Well, it's official. Those watching the 'Kats tonight on TCN would have >seen that next week they're moving to 5:30PM M-F... Maybe now we'll get a >chance at some of the season 2 episodes...? Dumb Question: Is that 5:30pm Eastern time? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 12:19:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA04201 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:57:46 -0400 Message-Id: <304338cd7100002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 10:57:01 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN Content-Length: 397 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Ian Lynn wrote: >I want to know what the pay-off was for the kids in the >"You say it, We play it" segments were the kids request their favorite >"WPT". "Here kid we'll give you an ice cream if you say you want to see >George and Jr.." I can here it now. You said it! And this week's "choice" was the second "Yuckie Duck" cartoon. C'mon, I _know_ kids have better taste than that... -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Aug 29 12:22:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA04317 for kats-ll; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 12:04:30 -0400 Message-Id: <30433a510358002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 11:03:29 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: TCN Content-Length: 908 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Ian wrote: >In all actuallity, from the commercials, it appears TCN bought out a BIG >pool for the day, plastered their insignia everywhere and let in the kids. >So I'm sure the kids were willing to say just about anything to make >their pool-overlords happy. Plus if you watch the kids some look off to the >left of the camera, so there may be a little coaxing going on there. >I find it funny that none of the kids request "first season" toons,i.e. >PowderPuff Girls, Dexter's Lab (nominated for an emmy, watch for the push), >etc. Yeah, and for whatever reason (probably office-political) TCN seems to be pushing the Yuckie Ducks/George and Junior WPT's (all were produced by the same guy--I forget his name). I've never seen the first-season WPT's (execpt for PowerPuff Girls). Does anyone on the list have 'em on tape and would they be willing to trade? Please respond via e-mail. Thanks! -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 01:38:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA15699 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:17:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Clark Subject: New pics posted To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hello all, Just got my SK figs. (Thanks K-Mart!) Also posted some pictures of them at ftp.rat.org tbnfig.jpg T-bone figure razfig.jpg Razor figure dkfig.jpg Dark Kat figure viperfig.jpg Dr Viper figure pkging.jpg Full veiw of the packaging (front) Has anyone seen the Dr Viper one yet? The store I was at didn't have any. Geez I wish they'd make the TurboKat now! Laters! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x RL: Brad D. Clark Furtoonia: Orwin Raccoon/GrumpyBear x x bradc@unix.infoserve.net x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx --Hanna-Barbera....We WERE cartoons. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 02:08:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA15921 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:48:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:48:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Hurley To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: New pics posted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Brad Clark wrote: > Hello all, > > Just got my SK figs. (Thanks K-Mart!) Also posted some pictures > of them at ftp.rat.org ftp to: rat.org /pub/kats/images/promo/ > tbnfig.jpg T-bone figure > razfig.jpg Razor figure > dkfig.jpg Dark Kat figure > viperfig.jpg Dr Viper figure > pkging.jpg Full veiw of the packaging (front) Also we had skblistr.jpg which is the back of the packaging (nice scan). and sk-figs which is a shot of razor and tbone. actually OUT of the packaging. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://rat.org | FTP : ftp://rat.org/pub ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 03:38:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA16634 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:13:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9508300713.AA03909@cisk> Subject: Lifestyles To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 0:13:28 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 593 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Got a call from Mark Lungo this past weekend (message, rather, since I was out visiting a friend the whole weekend). He said that there was supposed to be a 'Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous' episode where they profiled William Hanna and Joe Barbera, and supposedly there would be some scenes from the episode "The Deadly Pyramid" in it. Since I received the message far too late to do me any good (I received it on Monday), I'm wondering if anyone else managed to tape or watch the program... any comments? -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 05:08:38 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA17349 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:03:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:16:08 +0800 (GMT-8) From: Leet Wai Leong Simon To: kats@sard.mv.net Cc: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: SwatKats Theme ... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Hi y'all, I'm kinda new to the list, so please be gentle ... For anyone interested, the SWATKats theme can be found on the Web at "http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/kennyp/sounds.html" which contains a LOT of TV themes from over the years. It's in the .au format, but it converts into .voc without a hitch (using SOX, available on the page too) Someone might want to post this over to alt.tv.swatkats ... I can't seem to get it on my server. Later. -Simon Leet :) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 07:38:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA18271 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:38:18 -0400 From: "Dr. Samuel Conway" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:38:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199508301138.HAA07678@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Time Warner + Turner Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I heard on the radio this morning (yes, radio. Why, at one time, all we had was radio! We used to sit around the radio listening to Jack Benny and...) er.... I heard on the radio this morning that Time Warner has offered to buy Turner out for 8.some billion dollars. My first thought was, "Yes! Buy the bastard out!" But then, let us consider this: Isn't Time Warner the same outfit that edited all of the venerable old Loony Toons, removing any references to explicit violence, ESPECIALLY gunshots? When I was a kid, there were scenes in the cartoons -- yes, we had cartoons back then -- that are no longer there today. It wasn't Turner who edited them; it was Warner. Now we get a badly-placed still shot of Bugs Bunny holding up a "Duck Season" sign, whereas I remember Daffy Duck being shot in the face by a 30-odd-6, and his bill spinning wildly around and winding up backwards. Somewhere in the last 30 years, Slowpoke Jose turned into some bizarre hypnotist, having once been "the Fastest Gun in the World." So who is the lesser of two evils? From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 09:08:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA18979 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:48:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 07:47:57 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508301247.AA16849@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Hanna/ Barbara on Lifestyles. Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On one of my many surfs around the channels, I did catch this. It mostly focused on the men themselves and how they started out and worked their way up. The kats were on towards the end of the segment. Joe(I think) was talking about the next generation of Hanna/Barbara starting with shows like 2SD and SK and to watch for the new Jonny Quest in the future. The interview was old and I had seen this a year or so ago. H/B talked about the buyout ( I think the interview was just after the buyout), and thanked Ted for reviving their toons on a new station. They mostly consentrated on the old toons though, Huck, Yogi, Snaggs, etc. Ian "God bless Ted Turner" -Dan Conner (Rosanne) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 09:14:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA18833 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 08:38:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 07:38:24 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508301238.AA16770@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Time Warner + Turner Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Seems a tad ironic that Time-Warner, a company known for signing the hardest of the hard core rappers would edit out cartoons when they have people singing (yeah right like thats what it is) about selling drugs, raping and beating women, and occasionally shooting a pig or two (cop for those not down wit' it). >So who is the lesser of two evils? Tough one, I give Ted credit for keeping toons in their true form, unfortuantly he won`t let you see the more violent or racial slanted toons (Bugs Nip the Nips, etc.). Time did cut up the violence, so flip that coin Heads you lose, tails you win, just use Teds coin (double headed, I'm sure). I did hear a rumor last week that if Ted can't get ahold of CBS that he would look seriously at getting out of TV altogether. For what thats worth. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 10:08:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA20070 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:46:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: TCN To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <304338cd7100002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Tue, 29 Aug 1995, Timothy D Fay wrote: > > Ian Lynn wrote: > >I want to know what the pay-off was for the kids in the > >"You say it, We play it" segments were the kids request their favorite > >"WPT". "Here kid we'll give you an ice cream if you say you want to see > >George and Jr.." I can here it now. > > You said it! And this week's "choice" was the second "Yuckie Duck" > cartoon. C'mon, I _know_ kids have better taste than that... Smoke and mirrors, guys. The Kats weren't likely even on the card. It's kind of like one of those multiple choice questions similar to: "Who's your favourite baseball star of all time?" Yet you're only given two choices - Ken Griffey Jr. or Jose Canseco. Where was all this almost-press for SwatKats? ***newstuff*** Christian Tremblay provides some insight into the origins of Dark Kat. It seems Dark Kat was originally intended as a crime-boss that'd been around for eons, and came across his legions of Creeplings one day when he was searching underground caverns for a suitable base from which to direct his anti-Kat machinations. He soon realized that he had an inexhaustable supply of the little noisy critters, and it was originally intended that they'd get "used up" rather violently and frequently in Dark Kat episodes ("HAHAHAH! Into battle, my little Creeplings...there's always more where you came from!"). Interestingly, it was Dark Kat who was originally supposed to awaken the entombed "Pastmaster" in "Pastmaster Always Rings Twice" and not the generic Grave-Robber types. The Tremblays story idea was changed at an early stage by a combination of Story Editor Glenn Leopold and Producer Davis Doi, leaving us with the version we see on the tube. To help Christian get Teddy interested in a movie, I've printed out over 200 pages of fan-comments to send him - the sheer weight of which should be enough to persuade Tedco that their may indeed be more fans of "SwatKats" than "Yuckie Duck" after all. As soon as I mortgage my car for the postage, I'll send it to him. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 10:38:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA20467 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:14:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Time Warner + Turner To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199508301138.HAA07678@unix2.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Dr. Samuel Conway wrote: > I heard on the radio this morning that Time Warner has offered to buy > Turner out for 8.some billion dollars. My first thought was, "Yes! Buy > the bastard out!" My first thought also (and it'll likely be my last thought on earth). I know folks at Warners, and they actually get things done rather than waiting for the wind to blow from the right direction, or the planets to be aligned just so. They come up with a concept, they do it, and they appreciate the opinions of their viewers (just visit alt.tv.animaniacs one of these days). Turner will only go for this deal (Time Warner has three seats on Turner's Entertainment's board of directors) if he thinks it will help him get a broadcast network (CBS). I'm not holding my breath - I doubt WB is in any great hurry to get a hold of Hanna-Barbera (though you can bet the farm that they wouldn't have canned the Kats - look at BTAS!). > So who is the lesser of two evils? The LT/MM's shown in syndication are hide-bound by the current BS&P rules, and are often edited for content solely due to this. The worst offender is Nickelodeon at the moment, but the ABC ones are not that wonderful either. "SwatKats" could escape virtually unscathed, I think, and the only scene that wasn't already chopped by H-B which would not likely make broadcasters happy is the one from "The Metallikats" showing the grizzled, charred claw of the Mange's first victim. For everyone's info, "Ted and Jane" buzzed off on some long holiday recently to "think things over" after the offer from Microsoft's Bill Gates for a 2-billion cash infusion in exchange for multimedia rights. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 13:08:44 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA22597 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3044951936ae002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 11:43:05 -0500 From: Timothy D Fay To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Time Warner + Turner Content-Length: 1001 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net The Venerable Dr. Konway wrote: >But then, let us consider this: Isn't Time Warner the same outfit that edited >all of the venerable old Loony Toons, removing any references to explicit >violence, ESPECIALLY gunshots? Granted, Time-Warner is your classic Evil Corporation, but the TV networks are really to blame for hacking up those classic cartoons. Cartoons have been edited to remove violence and to fit into neat 5-minute blocks (a far worse crime, IMHO). And ol' Ted is also guilty of hacking and slashing, and even pulling entire cartoons (e.g. "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips"). Furthermore, it was Time-Warner, if you recall, that came under fire from Bob Dole and others for promoting "violent lyrics" in rap songs. So if they're cutting 'toons, it's only because they're under pressure to do so. >So who is the lesser of two evils? Given the choice, I'd hold my nose and pick Time-Warner. Though if they were smart, they'd put me in charge of handling all those cartoons. :-) -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 14:08:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA23748 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:52:28 -0400 From: "Dr. Samuel Conway" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:52:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199508301752.NAA14811@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Nipping the Nips? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net I'm going to try not to stray too far from the topic. I am, of course, keeping Swat Kats in mind when I put forth the following question: Where is the line drawn? By which I mean the following: To show Bugs Bunny blowing up charicatured Japanese people which are referred to as "Nips" is certainly something I consider to be undesireable, in an age where we are trying to make an honest effort to combat rampant racism. I found myself saying, "how true, if my son's only contact with black people is a Little Black Sambo eating water- melon on cartoons, that he will grow up with certain pernicious preconcep- tions." Indeed, I reasoned, this child should not be exposed to the kind of cruel racism that used to be shown in cartoons, because he cannot help but be influenced by it if he is repeatedly exposed to it at a tender young age. Then I was struck very hard in the head by the realization that, indeed, this is the exact argument that is being offered against violence on the tube. I have honestly crusaded against editing out violence on television on the grounds that it would not have a harmful effect on children, and yet I find myself equally certain that to bombard a child with degrading images of a particular race is bound to affect the child adversely. Someone help me out, here. This is causing me a crisis. ------ Dr. Sambo Conway Senior Nip Nipper Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Aug 30 14:34:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA23577 for kats-ll; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:40:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 12:40:31 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9508301740.AA19419@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Animato! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Just went home for lunch and residing in my maibox was an envelope with a big ol' canadian stamp on it, and on the inside was the Swatkat issue of Animato! (Thanks, Andy). So over lunch I enjoyed the praises of the Swatkats in published print. The thing that really caught my attention was two things: 1) The Animato Film Poll Thanks ad from Hanna Barbera stating that they received 22 various nominations for their stuff. I was left to wonder how many of these involved the kats and the 2 Stupid Dogs?? 2) The 3 panel storyboard they encourage you to fill out. I envision this- (humor me here) first panel- (You only see from the shoulders down) You see two men facing two other men, one man hands a briefcase to the man directly across from him. While the other two gentlemen exchange a box and shake hands to seal what appears to be a shady deal. (Swapping the box for the briefcase is what I'm getting at here) second panel- (Again, you only see from the shoulders down) Both parties turn and walk away in separate directions. third panel- (split panel) (left half) you see Hanna and Barbera open the briefcase only to find cut newspaper with $20's on the top and bottom of the stacks. (right half) You see Ted and Captain Planet sitting in Lay-Z-Boys in front of a fireplace, the box opened to reveal that inside is the complete collection of SK episodes, and they're tossing in various reels and enjoying a good laugh. Maybe I need a good hobby!! Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 31 09:39:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA06039 for kats-ll; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:10:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 06:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Re: Nipping the Nips? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199508301752.NAA14811@unix2.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net On Wed, 30 Aug 1995, Dr. Samuel Conway wrote: > I'm going to try not to stray too far from the topic. I am, of course, > keeping Swat Kats in mind when I put forth the following question: > > Where is the line drawn? I think we'll have to draw it here gang...we're driftin' a bit, huh? This whole sterotyping of minorities/cartoon violence issue is one of the reasons "SwatKats" is a valuable program. They can do these kinds of things in anthropomorphic-allegory that can't be done with human characters nowadays at the risk of bringing down all the heat of Big Nannydom. The closest that the Kats get to racist stereotyping is perhaps the "Foreign Investors" - Mr. Yung and his suspiciously-Siamese Kat-buddies (which I'm SURE I've seen live-ac counterparts of in some ac/adv film or comedy - maybe Michael Keaton's "Gung Ho"?). > Then I was struck very hard in the head by the realization that, indeed, > this is the exact argument that is being offered against violence on the tube. > I have honestly crusaded against editing out violence on television on the > grounds that it would not have a harmful effect on children, and yet I find > myself equally certain that to bombard a child with degrading images of a > particular race is bound to affect the child adversely. > > Someone help me out, here. This is causing me a crisis. Easy answer. Forty years down the road we can watch "SwatKats" and find nothing within the program objectionable despite whatever left-right shifts have occurred. There is violence in this cartoon, but it's adversarial good guy/bad guy stuff that's existed since Middle Earth, and WILL continue to exist well into "The Brave New World". The good vs. evil theme is central to a lot of good programming, the theme is always relevant, and showing the consequences in a realistic fashion shouldn't be considered abhorrent to parents - it is in fact a "primer" for life. "Good vs. Evil" was a popular theme in 1942 when the cartoon producers of Warners were on one side, and Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire on the other. What were traditionally lampoons of generic bad-guys found in bars, mother-in-laws and other common but relatively non-descript fixtures of daily life became focussed on the most visible aspects of a larger and more menacing enemy that was killing thousands of people's relatives every day. I don't begrudge the denizens of the forties things like "Bugs Nips the Nips", because we are attempting to judge them using a set of values which did not exist at the time, and we can't fully appreciate the conditions that prompted the cartoon's release. Exposing your kids to these cartoons without explaining their historical context MAY lead to a problem, but I tend to give kids more credit than that. Your mileage may vary. ('Course, should there ever be a "visible minority" of Creeplings in our future - we could have a problem...) > Dr. Sambo Conway > Senior Nip Nipper > Avid Therapeutics > Philadelphia, PA > flogistn@netaxs.com Heh. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Aug 31 10:08:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA06510 for kats-ll; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:54:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 06:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chance Subject: Turner - reversal of fortune. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Well, rumours have taken on a more concrete appearance. Ted Turner, the "I didn't get what I want so I ain't gonna play anymore" poster-boy, is said to be in favour of a merger/takeover proposed by Time-Warner which is said to be worth about 8 billion bucks. If this happens, it will have the peculiar side-effect of placing Hanna-Barbera under the auspices of Warner Bros. Animation, along the lines of DIC now being under control of Disney through Cap-Cities. This makes for some interesting evil-thinking. There are a number of people currently working for Warners who have no love for the Turner organization and Ted's cronies in management, and one of them is Lance Falk (check the Kats credits gang!) - who could find himself in a position to correct a number of wrongs foisted on "SwatKats" by some of the cretins currently at H-B/TPS. It's a stretch, certainly...but some hope is better than none. I know some people at Warners that I've been talking to about Kats for quite some time, Warners is looking to program a new Network, and they've got the money and the expertise to support the stuff where Turner hadn't. I'll do some asking. Ted Turner is said to be a bit loathe to become an employee of the newly formed alliance/company, and may "move on". I can hope. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Using my amazing powers of intellect, I've concluded that life was more fun when I was stupid...at least there were more TV shows to watch..." "Monty" from the daily strip "Robotman" _____________________________________________________________________________