From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 1 08:04:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA09571 for kats-ll; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 07:44:21 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 07:44:07 -0400 Message-Id: <199506011144.HAA00466@unix5.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Can it change my life? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: In a word, no. I enjoy it. I wake up early to watch it. One might argue that I am more tired on Monday mornings because of it, or that my professional image is affected by the "MEGAKAT CITY BIOCHEMICAL LABS" sign on my door or by my insistance that the product I recently produced for antiviral testing be referred to as "Katalyst 99". Fundamentally, though, my life is not significantly altered by my watching of Swat Kats, and my coworkers are quite certain that the abovementioned shenanikens are all in fun (I hope). Now, forgive me if I begin to sound like an old fuddy-duddy (albeit a fat one), but we are talking about a form of entertainment, not a religion. I mean this comment not to be snide or derisive; but remember, if we want to be taken seriously as a fan-culture, we might want to avoid sweeping statements such as "the show changed my life!" that might lead people to wonder about our collective mental condition. Don't get me wrong. I love Swat Kats. I was crushed when it was cancelled, and would be the first to fight for its re-instatement. But let us not get carried away. ----- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Evil Genius Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA avid@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 1 10:34:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA10750 for kats-ll; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:19:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 07:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Can it change my life? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506011144.HAA00466@unix5.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jun 1995 flogistn@netaxs.com wrote: > In a word, no. > > I enjoy it. I wake up early to watch it. One might argue that I am more > tired on Monday mornings because of it, or that my professional image is > affected by the "MEGAKAT CITY BIOCHEMICAL LABS" sign on my door or by my > insistance that the product I recently produced for antiviral testing be > referred to as "Katalyst 99". > > Fundamentally, though, my life is not significantly altered by my watching > of Swat Kats, and my coworkers are quite certain that the abovementioned > shenanikens are all in fun (I hope). Yeah, but I think if you do something you wouldn't ordinarily were you not watching the 'KATS, it sort of constitutes a "change", however minor, no? I've got a pile of animation-related stuff up at work, including not too few pieces of 'KATS art. It usually just sparks up an interesting conversation with co-workers and other visitors to the establishment, but there are exceptions unfortunately... > Now, forgive me if I begin to sound like an old fuddy-duddy (albeit a fat > one), but we are talking about a form of entertainment, not a religion. > I mean this comment not to be snide or derisive; but remember, if we want > to be taken seriously as a fan-culture, we might want to avoid sweeping > statements such as "the show changed my life!" that might lead people to > wonder about our collective mental condition. What Doc Konway here says isn't to be taken lightly. I get the inside view regarding how "fans" are viewed in general from Warner's and elsewhere and "extra-clingy" or worse does not go over well - there's even been some problems with mail to the voice artists resulting in heavier security at public appearances on occasion. I've seen "overboard" with Trek fans on occasion, though I guess everyone's definition of "going a bit far" varies - but it wasn't pretty. Personally, I get sideways stares on occasion from people, but it's usually out of ignorance than anything else - their imaginations died after high school, mine didn't - I'm not going to apologize for that. Look at some of the folks that are likely to deride you for having the poster on the wall, or hitting Toy's R Us for one of the 'KAT ac-figures - do you really want to be like _them_? This is going to sound arrogant, but that isn't the intent - I talk with a _lot_ of cartoon people on both ends of the TV screen, and you know something? Most of us are "smarter than the average bear", and it scares people occasionally - they don't have a point of reference against which to "judge" us. That's fine, Kangaroo Courts run by the generally clueless are of no concern anyway. If it's fun, watch it - if you like aspects of the characters you want to emulate, do it - just make sure that the lines between 30 fps and "real life" don't blur. My favourite answer to those who are likely to shout: "Get a Life!" is: "Okay, but will it be as fun?" We now return you to your regularly scheduled virtual newsgroup... (ps - working on "alt.fan.swatkats" as we speak..er, "type") From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 1 15:34:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA14256 for kats-ll; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:11:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9506011911.AA03023@cisk> Subject: Re: Can it change my life? To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:11:02 PDT In-Reply-To: <199506011144.HAA00466@unix5.netaxs.com> from "flogistn@netaxs.com" at Jun 1, 95 07:44:07 am From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1264 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: flogistn@netaxs.com writes: > Now, forgive me if I begin to sound like an old fuddy-duddy (albeit a fat > one), but we are talking about a form of entertainment, not a religion. > I mean this comment not to be snide or derisive; but remember, if we want > to be taken seriously as a fan-culture, we might want to avoid sweeping > statements such as "the show changed my life!" that might lead people to > wonder about our collective mental condition. I'm not worried about my interest in the series. As most, if not all, of you know, I'm an avid cartoonaholic, and I watch a *variety* of stuff -- from SK to TMNT to Disney Afternoon stuff and so on. Paul I think once called me the biggest SK fan on the net -- and I was quick to point out that *that* wasn't the case, citing Andy and Walt (sorry, guys! ;-) as people who were bigger fans than me. While I find myself tending to emulate Razor quite a bit (even saying Razor's catch phrase "Bingo!" more often) I'm not about to give up my education for working in a salvage yard and flying a jet. Has SK *changed* my life? No. Has it *influenced* my life? Yes. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 1 17:04:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA15443 for kats-ll; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:00:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Can it change my life? In-Reply-To: <9506011911.AA03023@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Paul I think once called me the biggest SK fan on the net -- and I was > quick to point out that *that* wasn't the case, citing Andy and Walt > (sorry, guys! ;-) as people who were bigger fans than me. You can try to deny it, but I think you're the most active SK fan on the net. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 1 22:04:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA18837 for kats-ll; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:57:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Can it change my life? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Ratman wrote: > On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > > > Paul I think once called me the biggest SK fan on the net -- and I was > > quick to point out that *that* wasn't the case, citing Andy and Walt > > (sorry, guys! ;-) as people who were bigger fans than me. > > You can try to deny it, but I think you're the most active SK fan on the net. ...and _I_ don't roleplay the characters on Furtoonia! ;> (still gotta upgrade my account so I have time to visit). "cartoonaholic" works here too - animation in general, but SK, TMNT, TaleSpin, Animaniacs currently, and an incredibly extensive list since the dawn of time (or my first TV, whichever came first). So, what's first prize for being the "most active SK fan on the 'net"? A lifetime room at the Rubber Ramada? A character named after you? Dinner with Ted Turner? The undying admiration of those who tend to drool a lot more than you do? Such a contest, oy! (Just be lucky you weren't the poor intense fanboy parodied on TTA's "Night Ghoulery" the other night - ouch!). Andy (...who's not out to win any prizes - unless it's some more fuel for the TurboKat...) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 1 23:34:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA19378 for kats-ll; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:16:16 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 23:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Swat Kats change your life... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HR7JAO1N2A9FNMIC@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: wkoziol@delphi.com Ask your dad if he detests the News and commentary reports. Also, ask him if he detests other forms information media like the newspapers, radio, all kinds of talk shows. To me these are excellent entertaining shows that I love to watch. It also shows me (no offense here) that your dad has too much free time on his hands and worries about the remainder of the media. The the ones that are saying that most shows are to violent then shouldn't they curb the news as well? The news are showing relife vilence and couldn't that inspire more violent behavior amongst their children instead of these make believe shows? swatkats change your life From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 2 11:35:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA23752 for kats-ll; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:31:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:31:00 GMT Message-Id: <199506021531.AA101520@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) Subject: Re: Swat Kats change your life... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >wkoziol@delphi.com > >Ask your dad if he detests the News and commentary reports. Also, ask him if >he detests other forms information media like the newspapers, radio, all kinds >of talk shows. To me these are excellent entertaining shows that I love to >watch. It also shows me (no offense here) that your dad has too much free time >on his hands and worries about the remainder of the media. The the ones that >are saying that most shows are to violent then shouldn't they curb the news as >well? The news are showing relife vilence and couldn't that inspire more >violent behavior amongst their children instead of these make believe shows? > >swatkats change your life > > > My Dad just doesn't like shows that are always showing the same plot where people are always killing people every week. Then again he works as a rental dealer so life's though on him. This is a test of the emergency broadcat systen...this provided so that we can retool a show already in progress. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 2 15:05:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA26882 for kats-ll; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:57:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9506021857.AA03899@cisk> Subject: SWAT Kats FAQ To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 11:57:38 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 5371 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Here's the latest FAQ for the SWAT Kats (remember, it can be accessed via anonymous ftp at 'pumadyne.mv.com' in the 'kats' subdirectory). I've already discovered one error (release date in the toy line), but I'm not sure what the correct info is (Andy, do you have it?). Last Updated Fri Jun 2 11:41:59 PDT 1995 SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron Frequently Asked Questions =========================================================== _SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron_ is an animated series created in 1993 by two French-Canadian brothers, Christian Tremblay and Yvon Tremblay. Using their self-taught drawing skills and their own money, they managed to sell their creation of anthropomorphic felines, otherwise known as "Kats", to Hanna-Barbera. H-B produced 23 episodes of the SWAT Kats, 13 for the first season (1993-94) and 10 for the second season (1994-95). The second season fell three episodes shy of a full set because, in the middle of production, Turner Entertainment ordered H-B to cancel production of the series. The reason that Turner gave at the time was because the show wasn't moving merchandise -- although the series hardly had any merchandise to begin with! Therefore, Turner decided to yank the show even though it had been doing very well in the ratings. Three episodes were storyboarded and the voice tracks laid down, but are currently still in limbo (and may very well become the "lost episodes" of the series). The *real* reason that Turner cancelled the series is a mystery, however; it may have been canned because of its violence and not because of its lack of merchandise. In fact, there should be some merchandise hitting the store shelves this summer: - Action figures (produced by Remco) of some of the characters, including T-Bone, Razor, Dark Kat, Doctor Viper -- due out in August - Video releases of some of the episodes -- due out in the first week of July - Video game for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (none for Sega yet, unfortunately) -- due out in the first week of July Since the release dates keep changing, the information given above may not be the most current. The Cartoon Network plans to do something special with the 'Kats to coincide with the first week of the toy line release. Currently available is a poster, which has been seen at the K-Mart in Inglewood, CA; other locations may also carry it (at least one other place outside of CA has it), but you may have to hunt for it. TBS will be carrying the series throughout the summer. It will be changing the time slot from Sundays at 6:35 am Eastern to 9:05 am Eastern, starting sometime in July. The animation studios involved in 'Kats production are Hanho Heung-Up and Mook, the former being a Taiwan studio and the latter a Japanese studio. Both seasons' episodes show an anime (Japanimation) influence, especially the second season's episodes, which were animated entirely by Mook. Christian Tremblay apparently wanted Mook to do all of the episodes, but found it uneconomical to do so. What's the proper spelling of 'SWAT Kats'? Most likely it's the way it's being spelled in the FAQ. The full title is, of course: "SWAT Kats: The Radical Squadron", but there's been some question as to whether the word "SWAT Kats" should be written as a single word (i.e., "SWATKats"). And yes, it's with a "K", not a "C". T-Bone's and Razor's ages? According to Christian Tremblay, they're both in their mid-20s, but T-Bone is most definitely older. Trivia tidbit: Razor and T-Bone were initially named "Chuck" and "Yaeger", after the famous test pilot. Write your local station that carries the SWAT Kats (and/or TBS)! Tell them how much you like the series! You can also write H-B at: Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. West Hollywood, CA 90068 Attn: Fred Seibert (Note: Don't mention SWAT Kats anywhere on the envelope, and don't use the 9-digit version of the ZIP code -- or your letter might find its way to the trash without being opened!) When you write, you might want to include demographical information about yourself, such as your age, sex and geographic location. Hanna-Barbera is apparently very interested in learning who are fans of the 'Kats, so make yourself known! Pet peeve: Animations are NOT for children!!! FTP address for 'Kats stuff: pumadyne.mv.com, /pub/users/rat/kats. Lotsa gifs/jpegs and other goodies there. Sound bytes coming soon...? Web page: Yes, the 'Kats have their own web page (not official, but at least it's there): 'http://venom.st.hmc.edu/~razor/swatkats.html'. Your Web browser MUST support graphics, or the web page will not work. Send email to 'razor@netcom.com' for details. For the die-hard 'Kats fans: - To join a fan club (currently unofficial): email Walt Koziol (wkoziol@delphi.com). - A fanzine, KATATONIC, is also in the works and will be available for a limited run (contact Timothy Fay [fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu] for details). ========================================================================== FAQ maintained by: Dana Uehara (razor@netcom.com) Acknowledgements/Contributors: Andy Hill (chance@unix.infoserve.net) Timothy Fay (fayxx001@maroon.tc.unm.edu) -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 2 22:35:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA01709 for kats-ll; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:26:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats FAQ To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506021857.AA03899@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > I'm not sure what the correct info is (Andy, do you have it?). > T-Bone, Razor, Dark Kat, Doctor Viper -- due out in August > - Video releases of some of the episodes -- due out in the first week > of July > - Video game for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (none for Sega > yet, unfortunately) -- due out in the first week of July This is correct as written, the toy date you have is the last one I got as well > Write your local station that carries the SWAT Kats (and/or TBS)! Tell > them how much you like the series! You can also write H-B at: > Hanna-Barbera Cartoons Inc. > 3400 Cahuenga Blvd. West > Hollywood, CA 90068 > Attn: Fred Seibert > (Note: Don't mention SWAT Kats anywhere on the envelope, and don't use > the 9-digit version of the ZIP code -- or your letter might find its > way to the trash without being opened!) OUCH! Actually, it just gets sent down to the fan-mail department of "Classic Cartoons" - please, please make sure this gets changed before hitting the net - I'll be tortured. One last thing: someone's brained up at Turner Programming Services. Starting August 7th and running to Sept 1st, 'KATS will run from 6:00 _pm_ to 6:30 _pm_ on TCN. Heh heh - I love the smell of napalm in the morning - it smells like.... You know the rest... Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 3 13:09:17 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05659 for kats-ll; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:04:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: TCN timeslot...sleeping giant awakes... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I don't know if this made it to the list last night or not, I was having terminal problems extraordinaire. Someone who seems to be an ally of sorts let me know yesterday that after "SwatKats Month" in July coming up, the timeslot for SwatKats will be changed to a strip, and will air in primtime on TCN as follows: "SwatKats", starting August 7th 1995 and running to Sept. 1 1995 will air Monday thru Friday at 6pm. (assumedly Eastern). I guess that means I'll have to work on TBS, huh? (lotsa luck). I think that someone in Turner Group must've realized the nature of the audience - and awoke from the coma. Not to raise false hopes, but this kind of thing is what happens when a show is being promoted for the fall season (leadup to XMAS and all that), but I don't know if that's the case here - just wishful thinking on my part. Odd behaviour, at any rate. Courtesy of a fellow list member, I've now seen "When Strikes Mutilor", "Ghost Pilot", "The Metallikats", and "the Ci-Kat-a" for the first time. Wow. The animation in the Mook eps is nothing short of outstanding - and one of the shots in "Mutilor" is about to become a full-size drawn/painted cutout of "Razor" for the collection. You can sure see the anime influence in "Mutilor" - as the laser/photon type weapons (and the effects used in their firing) on the alien fighters come straight out of "Robotech". This kind of animation just puts everything else I've seen lately to shame. If you still have friends that think "animation's for kids", show them eps like this one, and follow it up with "The Metallikats" - the crispy claw of the "retired" gang leader was unbelievably graphic for a "kids" show - and would never make it in "Captain Planet". Three cheers for "brave" production/writing people for sequences like that, that don't assume we're all Moral Majority ostriches looking for some nice, safe sand to stick our heads into. Anyway, it was nice to get a "positive" (TCN scheduling) after the latest round of "negative" (Jim Stenstrum leaving H-B). I hope I can report a few more in the next little bit. Andy _________________________________________________________________________ "His biography said he bumped his butt 'cuz he ate too much sugar... ....it's SAD (really)..." - Slappy Squirrel, "Bumbie's Mom" ANIMX _________________________________________________________________________ "We have a mission Ann, down these mean skies, a 'KAT must fly... ...we wanna be the good guys..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 3 23:05:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA09437 for kats-ll; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:37:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 02:37:36 GMT Message-Id: <199506040237.AA36465@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kats@sard.mv.net From: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net (Matthew Milam) Subject: Razor's Edge Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I would like to apoligize for confusing you guys on that stupid question about lives being changed because of watching this show... I would like to talk about the Swat Kats episode "Razor's Edge". Did anyone notice that Razor acted more human than most character's on cartoons shows? I personally wish they did more of that instead of that Darkkat-hired-hands-to-play-hurt subplot. This is a test of the emergency broadcat systen...this provided so that we can retool a show already in progress. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 4 13:05:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA14355 for kats-ll; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 12:41:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Razor's Edge To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506040237.AA36465@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: > I would like to apoligize for confusing you guys on that stupid question > about lives being changed because of watching this show... Don't. The difference in outlook makes for discussion - if everyone thinks the same thing we simply nod silently in agreement. > I would like to talk about the Swat Kats episode "Razor's Edge". > > Did anyone notice that Razor acted more human than most character's on > cartoons shows? I personally wish they did more of that instead of that > Darkkat-hired-hands-to-play-hurt subplot. You know, everyone who watches the show that I've spoken with from all age groups agrees with this to some extent, as do almost all of the creative team responsible. The dissention at H-B originated with people above the producer, who insisted on making "Creative suggestions" that limited some of the eps to monster clashes. I haven't seen 'em all yet - but thanks to some people mailing me tapes I'm catching up. I now have two favourite character development eps - "Razor's Edge" that Matmilam noted above, and despite the monster-clash theme running throughout - "Mutation City" is the other. Our own "Doc Konway" is in this one (BTW - how close is the physical resemblance, Sam?), and it's one of the eps that the Tremblays had a heavy hand in story and design-wise, and is one of their favourite eps. The sequence at the beginning with Jake and Chance on the obstacle course was incredibly well written from a character standpoint, and had animation to match. Jake was so focused on beating Chance to the finish line that he gave no weight to Chance's cries for help, assuming they were some kind of ploy to keep him from winning. Start watching closely at the sequence where Jake suddenly realizes his pal is indeed in dire straits, and rescues him - and the scenes following while he resuscitates Chance. Jake still tries to rationalize Chance's predicament in terms of the competition, then realizes Chance has an aspect of his character that isn't bulletproof, and offers to help him out. Chance's reaction is driven by a combination of pride and denial, as well as embarassment for revealing any kind of weakness in that kind of "macho" setting. Unbelievable writing. Check out the body language and the facial expressions throughout the whole sequence - I have _never_ seen anyting better, and I like to think I've seen enough other stuff to make that a valid observation. Chance gets the opportunity to "redeem" himself later in the ep when he's _forced_ to overcome his weakness in order to save Razor from drowning - but still avoids any kind of emotional comment on the situation, responding instead with a series of humourous remarks. I hope nobody interprets the above as no-life fanboy stuff - this kind of character-dev is the only thing that keeps me interested in TV at all - it certainly helps me rack up the phone bill, but doesn't put my psychiatrist's kids through college or anything. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 5 09:35:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA21273 for kats-ll; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:13:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: The long-delayed newsgroup... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Okay, I think I figured out how to do it, and now's the time before all the 'KATS promotions/schedule changes take place. What I have to do is cross-post the "PROPOSAL: Alt.fan.swatkats" article to some of the animation newsgroups, r.a.a. and alt.fan.furry with followups directed to alt.config. Creation by other than myself depends entirely on how many followups to my post (basically "votes") people add, and before I go ahead an do it, I'd like some idea of how many of us _will_ post a followup. Being a big fan of netiquette, I'm doing it the right way first, but if I think the 'KATS have been shortchanged for any other reason aside from lack of interest, I'll likely create it "another way" - which I think I can do as well. alt.fan.swatkats and the mailing list? Essentially, the newsgroup is intended to help people who watch the show and have just got on internet to realize that there are other fans around - it is NOT meant to replace this mailing list in any fashion, just increase the general fan-base and the awareness of others. I think it's _very_ important because "certain people" are waiting for it's creation, and I plan on advertising it's existence in stuff like "Katatonic", and perhaps some of the furry and fan-mags. Anyway, feedback appreciated. Tentative day for the crosspost is Wednesday, so if you want to comment beforehand, now's the time. Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 5 11:05:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA22166 for kats-ll; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:02:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 10:56:22 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Razor's Edge Message-ID: <9506051056.aa01306@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >This is a test of the emergency broadcat systen...this provided so that we >can retool a show already in progress. Shouldn't that be "Emergency Broadkat System?" ^ :) Ed Rudnicki erudnick@pica.army.mil TLM addict FDC Bronx FDC Night Watchman Coming soon from Mattel! River Rowing Pocahontas with Motorized Paddling Action!! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 5 12:05:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA22586 for kats-ll; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:42:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Cute Robot, hot Fascist babe - the Sequel To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I don't know if I already wrote this, so excuse me if I'm repeating myself. The sequel to "Cry Turmoil" was going to be "Turmoil 2:The Revenge". Some of the writers hated cutesy stuff, but one of them wasn't Glenn Leopold, who intended the ep to have the second appearance of "Cybertron", the cute little robot from "Deadly Pyramid", which I suppose wasn't as damaged as we were led to believe. Lance Falk apparently didn't like Cybertron at all, the reason given as it was just in the show for cute value. I kind of liked it in the one appearance, but thought that continued appearances would have detracted from Razor and T-Bone's handling of situations using their own initiative. If you think about it, Cybertron saved their bacon twice in the "Pyramid" ep - once when the TurboKat was about to ground-loop into the mountainside, and later on when Razor and T-Bone have their backs turned to the menacing mummy that shoots at them. For Dr. Who fans, Cybertron reminded me very much of "K-9", a kind of computer/mechanical dog with roughly the same personality and application. Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 5 13:35:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA23581 for kats-ll; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:22:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 13:14:44 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: The long-delayed newsgroup... Message-ID: <9506051314.aa02702@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > Anyway, feedback appreciated. Tentative day for the crosspost is >Wednesday, so if you want to comment beforehand, now's the time. Count me in, for what it's worth. Not much, I know :) Ed From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 5 17:35:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA26169 for kats-ll; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:11:26 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 95 17:09:32 PDT From: metalfox@su1.in.net (Ryan Fields) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: RE: Cute Robot, hot Fascist babe - the Sequel Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >For Dr. Who fans, Cybertron reminded me very much of >"K-9", a kind of computer/mechanical dog with roughly the same >personality and application. But K-9 was much less versatile and mobile. /\/|ET/\L F0X ******************************************************** *"Just because you're paranoid don't me they're not * *after you." - Kurt Cobain * ******************************************************** ______________________________________________________________________ _______ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov ______________________________________________________________________ _______   From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 5 23:35:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA29991 for kats-ll; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:25:34 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 23:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The long-delayed newsgroup... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRD50680LE9JFI4K@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 6 10:35:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA04614 for kats-ll; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:11:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: newsgroup post To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi guys, ahead of schedule - my newsgroup proposal post has been sent to newsgroups alt.config, alt.fan.furry, and alt.tv.animaniacs. I would really like to send it also to the Disney Afternoon group, but before I do I want to solicit comments from those who regularly read the group as to how such a post may be received. It is _really_ important that people follow-up the post I made, even if you have no intention of reading the group yourself, because others who are hooked during the TCN promotion and others will be looking for such a group when they first get on the net. Remember, this will run in parallel with the list, so no one will be "left out" by it's creation - and nobody will "miss anything" that was only posted to one and not the other (not every article about how cute Callie is from aol.com, but you get the idea). Thanks guys and gals! Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 7 17:39:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA09783 for kats-ll; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:15:13 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506071714.ZM12983@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:14:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) "SWAT Kats FAQ" (May 10, 2:41pm) References: <9505102141.AA03983@cisk> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: SWAT Kats at the ABA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This past weekend I was in Chicago at the American Booksellers Association (ABA) for their yearly conference. One of the booths was Turner publications. The Turner animation group was represeneted. I deceided to go over and talk to representative about the Guys. The gentilman, when asked about the cats said the project was cancelled due to lousy merchadise sales. I responded, that I hadn't seen any product nor any ads for product. He said there were some items made, but no interest. This forms an interesting loop - no ads no interest no interest no product no product no ads - interesting The gentilman stated that there would be no new episodes, but there would be a Kats month and a push for them (why if there is no merchandise?). I now digress They were pushing the new Johnny Quest, with animation samples. Similar style to the Kats, possible same animation house, storyboards and scripts done by Turner in house. I asked for characterization and plots, and he said yes, we will see. Back to the topic The salesman was trying to turn me away from an old item and on to the new projects they had coming out. I mentioned there was some feeling that it might be due to the violence present in the Kats, but he didn't react. The Quest stuff looks like it might have a bit of real looking violence, unlike the Captain Planet crap. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 05:42:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA14933 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 05:25:25 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Can it change my life? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 01 Jun 1995 07:44:07 EDT. <199506011144.HAA00466@unix5.netaxs.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 05:23:39 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun8.052500edt.45659@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: (hi I'm back. catching up with my mailbox.) of course it changed my life. I don't have a vcr, so I have to reschedule myself to watch Swat Kats. or else it'll push me over the threshhold-of-inconvenience needed to start looking for a vcr. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 08:38:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15757 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:33:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 05:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506071714.ZM12983@tekdev-10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > The gentilman, when asked about the cats said the project was cancelled due to > lousy merchadise sales. I responded, that I hadn't seen any product nor any ads > for product. He said there were some items made, but no interest. > > This forms an interesting loop - no ads no interest > no interest no product > no product no ads - interesting > > The gentilman stated that there would be no new episodes, but there would be a > Kats month and a push for them (why if there is no merchandise?). Welcome to the world of Catch-22 corporate Orwellian Double-speak. One of my partners in crime obtained a "merchandise list" right from Turner - the poster is the only thing on it that he'd heard about, and that's only because I told him. This person likely was given a corporate line to feed the public, but folks like this usually result to "I wasn't given that information" when asked anything difficult. I love watching the faces of folks like this as they contradict themselves in the same sentence and you press them for an explanation, as in the "intersting loop" noted above - marketing folks don't understand that they create the loop themselves. Really, the only thing I'm not overly happy about concerning the upcoming merchandise and promotion is that the toys aren't all that great, IMO - they should've made them look more like the characters as they appear on TV, and shouldn't have tried to detail them so much. It may end up hurting sales somewhat when people _would've_ bought them had they been done "properly". > The salesman was trying to turn me away from an old item and on to the new > projects they had coming out. I mentioned there was some feeling that it might > be due to the violence present in the Kats, but he didn't react. The Quest > stuff looks like it might have a bit of real looking violence, unlike the > Captain Planet crap. Again, this is an old time Marketeers trick, "newer is better" - but even this taken in context with Turner's marketing of "Classic" H-B cartoons makes it a study in contradiction. It's _very_ hard to get any info on "Jonny" at the moment, but what I have heard is "the Jonny character model looks queer", and it's "woefully behind schedule". Lance Falk reports that he tried to get an assignment on the program, his favourite from kiddie-days, but was "shut out by the old-boys network". The thing is, "Jonny" is likely to appeal more to the some of the same older age-bracket that's currently being ignored by the organization by the cancellation of 'KATS - and the new show won't appeal to any of the Furry-crowd at all. Someone over at H-B remarked "we learned our mistakes with SwatKats - for 'Jonny', we'll have all the marketing in place before the first episode is shown". "Too little, too late Feral" Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 09:08:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA15971 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:54:00 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506080853.ZM15050@tekdev-10> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:53:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA" (Jun 8, 5:37am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 8, 5:37am, Andy Hill wrote: > Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA > Again, this is an old time Marketeers trick, "newer is better" - > but even this taken in context with Turner's marketing of "Classic" H-B > cartoons makes it a study in contradiction. It's _very_ hard to get any > info on "Jonny" at the moment, but what I have heard is "the Jonny > character model looks queer", and it's "woefully behind schedule". Lance The Jonny character is older, Dr Quest is older and more frail, race is the same, Hadji can no longer do magic but has more traditional skills and Bandit has lost his Lassie abilities (Lassie go get Dad and remind him to shut off the oven). There were limited hard copy, but they did have an animation teaser loop running which looked fairly good. There will be another movie, before the show is released in syndication. > Falk reports that he tried to get an assignment on the program, his > favourite from kiddie-days, but was "shut out by the old-boys network". > The thing is, "Jonny" is likely to appeal more to the some of the same > older age-bracket that's currently being ignored by the organization by > the cancellation of 'KATS - and the new show won't appeal to any of the > Furry-crowd at all. Someone over at H-B remarked "we learned our > mistakes with SwatKats - for 'Jonny', we'll have all the marketing in > place before the first episode is shown". > > "Too little, too late Feral" > > Andy > > > >-- End of excerpt from Andy Hill -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 09:38:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA16215 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:24:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506080853.ZM15050@tekdev-10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > oven). There were limited hard copy, but they did have an animation teaser loop > running which looked fairly good. There will be another movie, before the show > is released in syndication. "Limited Hard Copy", meaning? Did they have _any_ literature on the 'KATS - I mean, "Flinstones" and the "Jetsons" are cancelled too, but you can't get _away_ from that stuff. Coming soon to a theater near you, "The SWATKATS Meet the Flintstones: A Bedrock Heavy-Metal Christmas Carol" written and produced by Ted Turner. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 09:46:07 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA16195 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:19:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:22:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Okay, someone in alt.config pointed out a valid concern that I wasn't perviously familiar with. Looks like a lot of systems may be hostile to carrying the newsgroup if it contains the "fan" aspect because of all the "joke" groups that contain the domain. At this point, I'm personally inclined to alter the title to "tv" based solely on the propogation issue, but I want to put it to the list first as a vote. Think fast guys, had one vote for a change so far, and it'd be a good idea to get it sorted before someone (other than myself) issues the control message. Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 11:08:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA17382 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:53:54 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506081053.ZM15307@tekdev-10> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:53:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA" (Jun 8, 6:27am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 8, 6:27am, Andy Hill wrote: > Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA > > On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > > > oven). There were limited hard copy, but they did have an animation teaser loop > > running which looked fairly good. There will be another movie, before the show > > is released in syndication. > > "Limited Hard Copy", meaning? Did they have _any_ literature on the > 'KATS - I mean, "Flinstones" and the "Jetsons" are cancelled too, but you > can't get _away_ from that stuff. > Limited hard copy means a 2 page flimsy with some art and minimal verbage. There was nothing on the Kats anywhere. If you didn't know about them, you would not of been keyed to ask. They are not an active property and so are not displayed or talked about. > Coming soon to a theater near you, "The SWATKATS Meet the > Flintstones: A Bedrock Heavy-Metal Christmas Carol" written and produced > by Ted Turner. > > Andy > >-- End of excerpt from Andy Hill -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 11:18:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA17407 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:56:24 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506081055.ZM15314@tekdev-10> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:55:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "'KATS group - um...I was not aware..." (Jun 8, 6:22am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 8, 6:22am, Andy Hill wrote: > Subject: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... > > Okay, someone in alt.config pointed out a valid concern that I > wasn't perviously familiar with. Looks like a lot of systems may be > hostile to carrying the newsgroup if it contains the "fan" aspect because > of all the "joke" groups that contain the domain. At this point, I'm > personally inclined to alter the title to "tv" based solely on the > propogation issue, but I want to put it to the list first as a vote. > Think fast guys, had one vote for a change so far, and it'd be a good > idea to get it sorted before someone (other than myself) issues the > control message. We do not receive any of the alt groups at our site. There were some that I used to enjoy, but rules are rules. Anything without the alt designation I can receive. > > Andy > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to > make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > >-- End of excerpt from Andy Hill -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 11:30:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA17354 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:50:19 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 08 Jun 1995 09:27:36 EDT. Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:49:38 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun8.104945edt.45690@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill: > Coming soon to a theater near you, "The SWATKATS Meet the > Flintstones: A Bedrock Heavy-Metal Christmas Carol" written and produced > by Ted Turner. what an ... odd idea. I can't decide if the Flintstones should be displaced to the Kats world, or vice versa. probably Kats to the Flintstones, since the Flintstones are stay-at-home types. and since it's a Kats story, you get to kill off random characters. urg. still can't make it work. ok, how about standard time-travel scenario: the Kats and the Pastmaster do the interfering-with-critical-evolution thing and come back to a future that's inhabited by hairless apes with digital watches, instead of good old MegaKat city. so they go back to the past to try to restore their future, but of course they can't return to that same critical instant, because they can't stop their own past selves, so they go to a time some hundred thousand years later, arrive in a place called Bedrock, and then wipe out the human race, thus ensuring that their branch of the feline family does eventually fill the tech-species niche left vacant by the humans' absence. umm, no, the Kats wouldn't do something like that. so how about the Pastmaster does it. the Kats try to stop him, but fail. but meanwhile they get to wrestle with their conscience: is killing a million sentient creatures really any different than going back a million years into the past to make sure those million creatures never get born? should they let these humans have their history, or do they really want to see Callie Briggs again? and how does this time travel thing work without logical contradiction anyway? umm, that's not a very Christmas story. okay, I give up. it's way past my bedtime. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 11:38:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA17834 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 11:32:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506081055.ZM15314@tekdev-10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > On Jun 8, 6:22am, Andy Hill wrote: > > Subject: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... > > > > Okay, someone in alt.config pointed out a valid concern that I > We do not receive any of the alt groups at our site. There were some that I > used to enjoy, but rules are rules. Anything without the alt designation I can > receive. Yeah, this thought applies to a few folks, but I was strongly advised that I wouldn't have a hope trying to create such a group in the "Big Seven" heirarchy, and that such an attempt may only serve to damage a further effort in "alt". Don't sweat this guys, list isn't going to be replaced, if anything, the newsgroup will cause it to grow. People with computers just being exposed to the show will be doing the newsgroup search and I want to give them something to find - we should even include a regular pointer to the list address. The one will complement the other, not replace it - a lot of people just don't have time to read another group. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 13:08:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA18844 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 12:43:15 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fd7287d57cd002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 11:42:37 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA Content-Length: 1391 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy wrote: >On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: >> oven). There were limited hard copy, but they did have an animation >> teaser loop >> running which looked fairly good. There will be another movie, before >> the show is released in syndication. > "Limited Hard Copy", meaning? Did they have _any_ literature on the >'KATS - I mean, "Flinstones" and the "Jetsons" are cancelled too, but you >can't get _away_ from that stuff. > Coming soon to a theater near you, "The SWATKATS Meet the >Flintstones: A Bedrock Heavy-Metal Christmas Carol" written and produced >by Ted Turner. A friend of mine took some classes at H-B when he lived out in Crazyfornia. He said their biggest problem was that they were always looking for "Something new and different -- but with Yogi Bear in it." In other words, they say they want new ideas, but always tend to fall back on the old characters. (That's my second-favorite of his stories. My favorite it the time Joe Barbera came to his class and told them the thing that made Tom and Jerry so funny was the fact that they NEVER spoke. He then showed the class an old Tom and Jerry cartoon where they spoke. Oops! Sorry, Joe!) -Tim ---- Reply to: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu -- http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m279/fayxx001 -- "My mental facilities are TWICE what yours are -- you pea brain!" -Percival McLeach From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 13:38:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA19161 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 13:12:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 13:12:47 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... Message-ID: <9506081312.aa06613@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > Okay, someone in alt.config pointed out a valid concern that I >wasn't perviously familiar with. Looks like a lot of systems may be >hostile to carrying the newsgroup if it contains the "fan" aspect because >of all the "joke" groups that contain the domain. At this point, I'm >personally inclined to alter the title to "tv" based solely on the >propogation issue, but I want to put it to the list first as a vote. >Think fast guys, had one vote for a change so far, and it'd be a good >idea to get it sorted before someone (other than myself) issues the >control message. If it improves propagation, I say go with the change to .tv Ed From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 16:38:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA21892 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:36:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:36:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Huang Subject: Re: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506081055.ZM15314@tekdev-10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > We do not receive any of the alt groups at our site. There were some that I > used to enjoy, but rules are rules. Anything without the alt designation I can > receive. BTW, I can probably email digests of alt.{tv,fan}.swatkats posts to anyone who's interested. Once the group gets created, that is :) -- Name: Dave Huang | Mammal, mammal / their names are called / INet: khym@bga.com | they raise a paw / the bat, the cat / FurryMUCK: Dahan | dolphin and dog / koala bear and hog -- TMBG Dahan: Hani G Y+C 19 Y++ L+++ W- C++ T++ A+ E+ S++ V++ F- Q+++ P+ B+ PA+ PL++ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 16:40:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA21780 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:28:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:28:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Huang Subject: Re: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Andy Hill wrote: > Okay, someone in alt.config pointed out a valid concern that I > wasn't perviously familiar with. Looks like a lot of systems may be > hostile to carrying the newsgroup if it contains the "fan" aspect because > of all the "joke" groups that contain the domain. At this point, I'm > personally inclined to alter the title to "tv" based solely on the > propogation issue, but I want to put it to the list first as a vote. > Think fast guys, had one vote for a change so far, and it'd be a good > idea to get it sorted before someone (other than myself) issues the > control message. Someone (Dana?) mentioned in an article that the consensus on the list was to go with a .fan group, but I guess I didn't see those messages (been reallyreally busy lately and have been skimming/deleting all mailing list mail). 'Cuz if I had seen those messages, I would've mentioned that I really think the group should go in the alt.tv.* hierarchy... although I think most ISPs will carry any group (I know we've got loads of joke alt groups here at bga.com), it's been my experience that .edu sites have better things to use their disk space for, and tend not to carry those groups (based on my small sample of 3 newsservers at different universities). Anyways... I vote for changing the group name to alt.tv.swatkats -- Name: Dave Huang | Mammal, mammal / their names are called / INet: khym@bga.com | they raise a paw / the bat, the cat / FurryMUCK: Dahan | dolphin and dog / koala bear and hog -- TMBG Dahan: Hani G Y+C 19 Y++ L+++ W- C++ T++ A+ E+ S++ V++ F- Q+++ P+ B+ PA+ PL++ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 17:38:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA22694 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:37:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9506082137.AA05717@cisk> Subject: Re: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 14:37:12 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Dave Huang" at Jun 8, 95 03:28:31 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1255 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Dave Huang writes: > Someone (Dana?) mentioned in an article that the consensus on the list > was to go with a .fan group, but I guess I didn't see those messages > (been reallyreally busy lately and have been skimming/deleting all > mailing list mail). Don't forget that there is a digest option for anyone who wants to subscribe and can't keep up with the list volume (although I believe the intro message DID warn you that the list can and does get prolific). As it is, I have enough trouble keeping up with the mailing list and doing my own work (not good for the one who started the whole thing, even if only conceptually!). I accidentally deleted my offline newsreader, so I haven't been keeping track of what's going on on the newsgroups. (If you're wondering why deleting my offline newsreader forced me not to read news, take it to EMAIL, please!) I did download a replacement today, so I'll be back on the newsgroups soon. In any event, I do think I need to correct myself, especially if I said that the consensus on the list was for 'alt.fan.swatkats' rather than 'alt.tv.swatkats'. In fact, it appears that a.t.s. will win out over a.f.s. We'll see. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 8 18:08:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA22766 for kats-ll; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:44:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9506082143.AA05781@cisk> Subject: Administrivia To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 14:43:47 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 682 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Since the listmail seems to have exploded within the past 24 hours, I thought I'd post a request to everyone on the list: if you're going to quote someone else's response (there's nothing wrong with this, btw!), please quote ONLY the stuff you're replying to. Signature files in particular don't need to be quoted, especially if they're over 4 lines long. Also, there's a new, improved FAQ (well, as of two days ago, anyway ;-) about the Kats on 'pumadyne.mv.com'. When you log in, go to the directory 'kats' and check it out. Comments or questions on the FAQ to me via email, please. Thanks. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 9 09:08:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28781 for kats-ll; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:59:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 06:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: 'KATS group - um...I was not aware... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Dave Huang wrote: > BTW, I can probably email digests of alt.{tv,fan}.swatkats posts to > anyone who's interested. Once the group gets created, that is :) This is a good idea, I was trying to think earlier how it could be done efficiently - perhaps cross the stuff to Rat and have it somehow distributed to those who can't get the group? Depends on how many of us don't have access, I suppose. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 9 09:10:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28744 for kats-ll; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:54:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <2fd7287d57cd002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 8 Jun 1995 fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu wrote: > A friend of mine took some classes at H-B when he lived out in Crazyfornia. > He said their biggest problem was that they were always looking for > "Something new and different -- but with Yogi Bear in it." In other words, > they say they want new ideas, but always tend to fall back on the old > characters. Heh. The "lack of vision" aspect of H-B has been around for quite awhile. The original season of "Jonny Quest" was very much a creator's show for the first season; Doug Wildey ran everything, and it showed. At the time, they had no idea of the value of the property, and it's taken, what...31 years for them to figure it out? Turner inherited all the "classic" characters, and I suppose he can continue to run them frequently enough on his own outlets that he'll make enough cash to support them - but it's not very "visionary" for a man that bills himself the first 21st Century Broadcaster. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 9 09:15:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA28644 for kats-ll; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:46:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <95Jun8.104945edt.45690@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On this "hard copy" and "not a current property" theme, I don't understand how this dude can say that, when Turner is only now coming out with the licensed 'KATS stuff, providing the TCN promotion, and reassigning the 'KAT guys to a reasonable timeslot. A friend who sometimes talks to H-B also offers two possible explanations: Turner is such a large org that one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, or perhaps they're trying to milk the show for all it's worth to recoup their investments before is disappears into anonymity. I suppose we aren't going to know until we get an idea of the new ratings and sales figures for the stuff - likely what Turner is also waiting for. On another note, I just found out that Lance Falk has a special place reserved in his heart for the Turner org - right next to "Adolf Hitler" and the IRS. It seems that had the second season been completed (three episodes short, remember?) they would've committed to a full 65 episode run, and Lance would've become "associate producer", something he was really looking forward to, as it would've given him a chance to learn a whole bunch of new skills. Oh well... Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 9 12:08:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00650 for kats-ll; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:41:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Newsgroup name change... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: My last missive for the day, I promise. This morning I went to alt.config and "officially" changed the name in the proposal to "alt.tv.swatkats" and made sure the change was reflected on all groups. Some of the responses aren't making it to all groups because I screwed up in te original post and left out rec.arts.animation - and made it worse in the "correction" post by leaving out alt.tv.animaniacs. Oh well, we're getting plenty of responses anyway. Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 9 12:12:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA00555 for kats-ll; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:38:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats at the ABA To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <95Jun8.104945edt.45690@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Felix Lee wrote: > > Coming soon to a theater near you, "The SWATKATS Meet the > > Flintstones: A Bedrock Heavy-Metal Christmas Carol" written and produced > > by Ted Turner. > > what an ... odd idea. I can't decide if the Flintstones should be > displaced to the Kats world, or vice versa. probably Kats to the > Flintstones, since the Flintstones are stay-at-home types. hideous story concept shredded, before Turner purchases the rights... > Pastmaster does it. the Kats try to stop him, but fail. but > meanwhile they get to wrestle with their conscience: is killing a > million sentient creatures really any different than going back a > million years into the past to make sure those million creatures never > get born? should they let these humans have their history, or do they > really want to see Callie Briggs again? and how does this time travel > thing work without logical contradiction anyway? > > umm, that's not a very Christmas story. okay, I give up. it's way > past my bedtime. Actually, all you'd have to do would be to add an angel or two and a some snowflakes and voila! Instant Christmas special. Instead some of us couldn't figure it out, I was joking (duh) about the "special", though H-B has done some pretty amazing "this meets that" hackery in the past - in one instance Warner's even agreed to lend their Looney Tunes characters. This had better _never_ happen with the 'KAT guys - it'd be undignified at best, and obscenely tacky at worst. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 10 11:38:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA10256 for kats-ll; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 11:21:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 08:26:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Wow...some amazing e-replies, listfolks To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Um, I'm trying to type while grinning like the proverbial Cheshire 'KAT, but just as I'm sure Dana et al were amazed at the success of the mailing list - I'm floored by some of the responses in e-mail I'm getting regarding the newsgroup and the program in general. Last couple of days, I've had like ten supporting letters, some of which are from animators and comics artists who also realize that "someone at Turner needs to give their head a shake...best thing H-B's done in over a decade..." and the like. Some of these people asked me to forward their stuff to the Tremblays, others ask about Turner's collective mental health...but all of them want to see the creation of the group, and more eps of the program. I've had one somewhat negative response from someone who thought it necessary to express their no-grammar opinion through an anonymizing service, but I think I'll answer it on the 'group. Administrative stuff regarding the 'group proposal: there really isn't any meaningful "voting" going on, the number of responses is needed to attract the attention of others, and to demonstrate to the newsadmins that "live" in alt.config that there is considerable interest in "alt.tv.swatkats". If you haven't posted a followup, please do - even if all you have to say is "good idea/bad idea" - it'll help. Other stuff - seems that the toy line was shopped around first to Hasbro, rather than Remco. As with Turner, the "street level" people in the Hasbro organization recognized the property for what it was, and were gung-ho to get the rights. Again, as with Turner, the "executives" decided that cat-characters wouldn't sell, and the deal was sold to Remco. Remco has been out of the ac/adv figure game for quite awhile, and the 'KATS toys herald their re-entry into the field. Now I hear "June" again for the ac-figure release, but no one alter the FAQ or their holiday plans just yet - no one wants to confirm/deny it yet. Next, Falk and Stenstrum split because they really didn't see any chance that 'KATS would be revived, but these same "street-level" people also didn't see the cancel order coming - so any wishful-thinking renewal will probably not be preceded by any advanced warning. Last, there is an e-mail address on Aol.com apparently that we can send show/cancellation comments to, but I don't know the add - anyone else? I almost feel like echoing them all the posts (200 items since the last download to the Tremblays, BTW), but it'd give them a negative impression of the net, not a positive one on the 'KATS. Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 10 12:08:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA10394 for kats-ll; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 11:40:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 08:44:59 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199506101544.IAA18547@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Scooby Doo Movie Announced! Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: **I crossed this to the list, just to show cluelessness in action. No 'KATS movie, yet we have Space Ghost, Scooby, and Captain Planet all announced in the same year? No comment.** Subject: Scooby Doo Movie Announced! NNTP-Posting-Host: rs.ucc.okstate.edu That's right everyone's favorite cartoon canine is finally getting his own movie! Just caught a bit of this announcement on Headline News. I didn't catch if it was going to be a real cast or a cartoon, but I did hear that all the original characters would be there. If anyone has more info than this please post. Tommy McClain mcclain@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 11 07:38:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA18343 for kats-ll; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 07:38:03 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fda03cc4a5b002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 95 15:42:52 -0500 To: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Katatonic! Content-Type: text Content-Length: 839 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Unfortunately, we weren't able to get KATATONIC! #1 put together in time for A-Kon and, at present, the future of our 'zine is up in the air. However, I was able to put together a cover for it. I've converted it to GIF format and I'm making it available to you list members. For those of you with anonymous FTP access, connect to wings.network.com and look for the file /pub/mosaic/katonic1.gif. For those without FTP, let me know and I'll e-mail a uu-encoded copy to you. It's a 2-color GIF, and should look best on a 1024 x 768 display. Again, this is for list members only, so please don't re-post or re- distribute it. Thanks! -Tim ---- Reply to: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu -- http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m279/fayxx001 -- "My mental facilities are TWICE what yours are -- you pea brain!" -Percival McLeach From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 11 08:08:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA18432 for kats-ll; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 07:59:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9506111159.AA28134@cisk> Subject: Latest Kats roster and other stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 4:59:18 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 917 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Wow. Membership appears to be up to around 32 or 33 people on the list (and one digest member) -- and possibly growing! As Andy said, I'm surprised (although pleasantly) at the success of the list... tho it'd be nice to hear from the lurkers once in a while (just so we know that you have a pulse out there ;-). Demographics: apologies to everyone... I accidentally deleted all of the demographics responses I received through email. I'll try to see if I can reconstruct the survey (and I think it'd be interesting to tally up the results now). Andy wanted to know if there was an email address to get in touch with Turner. The only one I know of at the moment is that of the Cartoon Network, which can be reached at 'ToonNet@aol.com'. I'll comment more later. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 11 11:11:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA19132 for kats-ll; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:42:23 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:42:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199506111442.KAA21288@unix1.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: lurklurklurk... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Just downloaded katonic1.gif. It's groovy, man! Who has yet to find a copy of the Kats poster? I could conceivably hunt down a few and send them off to willing fen. ---- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Staff Infection Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 11 11:41:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA19359 for kats-ll; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:15:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Ratman To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: lurklurklurk... In-Reply-To: <199506111442.KAA21288@unix1.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 11 Jun 1995 flogistn@netaxs.com wrote: > Just downloaded katonic1.gif. It's groovy, man! > > Who has yet to find a copy of the Kats poster? I could conceivably > hunt down a few and send them off to willing fen. There are a couple posters on the ftp site. Not as good as the real thing, but I'm just using this as an excuse to advertise. :-) pumadyne.mv.com /pub/kats/images/promo/ I wish I had a kats poster. Then people could say "who are the swat kats?" then it would give me an excuse to talk about them. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Work: paul@mv.mv.com | Play: rat@rat.mv.com WWW : http://www.mv.com/users/rat | FTP : ftp://pumadyne.mv.com/pub AOL : PaulHurley | CIS : 75014,77 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 03:38:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA25816 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:20:59 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 09 Jun 1995 11:42:42 EDT. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 03:20:23 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun12.032040edt.46218@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: oh, in case anyone couldn't tell, I was joking too :) but then again... what an interesting challenge. SWAT Kats meet X, in a manner that's neither undignified nor tacky. for starters, throw out any time-travel or alternate-universe scenario. hmm. one way to do it is maintain a fiction-barrier between the two. X appears in the Kat universe as a cartoon that the Kats watch, and it gets tied into the plot in odd ways. perhaps the villain is a raving fan (or a raving animator) who's upset that the X got cancelled, and goes around terrorizing the city with copycat crimes. this scenario puts curious constraints on what X can be. it doesn't make sense for there to be human cartoons in the Kat universe. something like 2 Stupid Dogs is almost workable though. well, hmm. lemme start over with a specific X (not the Flintstones). to make sure it never actually materializes, how about something Disney? Talespin crossed with Kats is almost easy. need to push Talespin forward about 30 years to match the tech. middle-aged Kit Cloudkicker. hmm. Higher for Hire can't stay the same for 30 years. does Kit become a commercial jet pilot, a mid-sized businessman, or something more exciting? nah, try something harder. Bonkers crossed with Swat Kats. problem here is that the obvious approach is to make the Kats toons, except the Kats aren't very bonkers-toon-ish. in some ways the Kats world is more real than the Bonkers world. (which is part of the problem with Bonkers. its "real world" is never very real.) just had an odd thought. in the Bonkers world, obviously Bonkers gets to play a role in the SWAT Kats movie. maybe Razor. *shudder* scratch that idea. hmm, might be able to play post-modern games with fiction and reality, but there are big disadvantages to that. hard to place humans in the Kats world. well, maybe with some minor revamping. but no. leave humans out. ok, Bonkers can show up in the Kats world, but he can't be very toonish without magic. maybe he _thinks_ he's toonish (probably from watching too much CNN), and wanders around being a menace to himself and to others ("look at me jump off this skyscraper!"). he's a trickster character, not really a villain. more an annoyance, and an opportunity to present a strange POV of the Kats. ("ooh, can I press the red button? how come you guys _never_ let me fly the plane? those origami missiles you have are really neat-o. do you have one that turns into a huge baseball bat and knocks the bad guys into left field?") eesh. someone shoot me before I hurt myself. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 04:38:53 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA26109 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 04:32:01 -0400 From: Frplayguy@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 04:28:22 -0400 Message-Id: <950612042820_68933783@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: SWAT KATS:THE RADICAL DESKTOP PICTURES!!! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: For those of you on AOL (like me),I've just made a couple of SK PPAT images for use as a desktop background. I took the images of T-Bone & Razor from the .JPG found in the Cartoon Network library as well as a really nice looking frame grab of Callie Briggs from the TV show (thank you,Mr. Fay) converted it over to a PICT file,and then converted it into a PPAT file. If you're a Mac user (again,like me),then you'll need to first have a copy of Stuffit Expander handy (since both files are compressed),as well as a copy of BEFORE DARK to put the images onto your Mac's workbench (both programs are available in the AOL downloads library). I'm not sure if PC users can also get to use PPAT files for their own machines or not,but I hope they can. I've just uploaded them a few minutes ago & I hope AOL will allow it to be available for downloads. The filenames to look for are "SWAT KATS.sit" and "SKCallie.sit". ENJOY! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 08:08:52 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA26699 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 07:52:27 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506120751.ZM27679@tekdev-10> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 07:51:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "(fwd) Scooby Doo Movie Announced!" (Jun 10, 8:44am) References: <199506101544.IAA18547@unix.infoserve.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Scooby Doo Movie Announced! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 10, 8:44am, Andy Hill wrote: > Subject: (fwd) Scooby Doo Movie Announced! > **I crossed this to the list, just to show cluelessness in action. No > 'KATS movie, yet we have Space Ghost, Scooby, and Captain Planet all > announced in the same year? No comment.** This makes sense in accordance with the long term plans annoouned by HB. If you have ever gone to Universal Studios in Florida. The HB ride, H & B say after the Jetsons that other characters will be getting their own movies, this includes Scooby Doo > > Subject: Scooby Doo Movie Announced! > NNTP-Posting-Host: rs.ucc.okstate.edu > > That's right everyone's favorite cartoon canine is finally getting his > own movie! Just caught a bit of this announcement on Headline News. I > didn't catch if it was going to be a real cast or a cartoon, but I did hear > that all the original characters would be there. If anyone has more info > than this please post. > > Tommy McClain > mcclain@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 09:08:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA26997 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:43:02 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506120842.ZM27834@tekdev-10> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:42:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: Felix Lee "Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones" (Jun 12, 3:20am) References: <95Jun12.032040edt.46218@colossus.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 12, 3:20am, Felix Lee wrote: > Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones > oh, in case anyone couldn't tell, I was joking too :) > > but then again... what an interesting challenge. SWAT Kats meet X, > in a manner that's neither undignified nor tacky. > > for starters, throw out any time-travel or alternate-universe scenario. > > hmm. one way to do it is maintain a fiction-barrier between the two. > X appears in the Kat universe as a cartoon that the Kats watch, and it > gets tied into the plot in odd ways. perhaps the villain is a raving > fan (or a raving animator) who's upset that the X got cancelled, and > goes around terrorizing the city with copycat crimes. A way around this is to have events that occur at a different time, set up events that occur in the Kats' present. A tool, map, book, just about anything can be critical to the resolution of the problem and provide the key to the resolution. This type of solution has been used before in some of the episodes, but it can also be tied in tighter. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 09:39:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA27285 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:13:49 -0400 From: SkyKit@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:10:11 -0400 Message-Id: <950612091008_68985161@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Poster lock on! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The Swat Kats Posters have turned up in N.Y. in a Toys R Us near me. For any one who wants to load up a spider missle to snag one, feel free to drop me a line. ::Bingo!:: -Skykit. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 10:09:02 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA27762 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:55:27 -0400 From: SkyKit@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:13:14 -0400 Message-Id: <950612091311_68985243@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Poster lock on! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The Swat Kats Poster turned up in N.Y. in a Toys R Us near me. For any one who wants to load up a spider missle to snag one, feel free to drop me a line. ::Bingo!:: -Skykit. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 21:09:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA05369 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:57:51 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRMRV20FXK94ENLZ@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >this scenario puts curious constraints on what X can be. it >doesn't make sense for there to be human cartoons in the Kat >universe. something like 2 Stupid Dogs is almost workable though. Why doesn't it make sense to put human cartoons in the Kat universe? We put kat cartoons in the human universe... Hmmm... They could be watching "katanime" or "katanimation". If we can have anthropomorphic kats can't Mega Kat City have katthropomorphic humans? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 21:14:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA05258 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:46:28 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: lurklurklurk... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRMRH5BW8Y94ENLZ@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >> Who has yet to find a copy of the Kats poster? I could >> conceivably hunt down a few and send them off to willing fen. >There are a couple posters on the ftp site. Not as good as the >real thing, You're darn tootin' they're not as good as the real thing! It's not that the electronic art is bad, but it sure is nice to have something hangin' on the wall! If you're still looking try the following: Check your local Kmart. ($4.25 US) That's where I found them (I live in SE lower MI) You could also try Wal-mart, Target, etc. although I haven't checked these. The posters are published & distributed by: American Arts & Graphics, Inc. 10915 47th Ave. W. Mukilteo, WA 98275 And the poster number is: PC1270 SWAT KATS If all else fails, let me know and I'll see if I can grab some more and ship 'em out. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 22:39:05 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA06031 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:25:42 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 22:23:14 PDT From: metalfox@su1.in.net (Ryan Fields) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: RE: Latest Kats roster and other stuff Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >Wow. Membership appears to be up to around 32 or 33 people on the list >(and one digest member) -- and possibly growing! As Andy said, I'm >surprised (although pleasantly) at the success of the list... tho it'd >be nice to hear from the lurkers once in a while (just so we know that >you have a pulse out there ;-). Hello, my name is Ryan, and I'm a lurker. Well almost. I did post here once before. Ok, bye. (Sorry, that's it. I don't have anything more intelligent to say right now.) ;-) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 23:09:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA06509 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:03:04 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fdcffc213ef002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 22:02:26 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: lurklurklurk... Content-Length: 121 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Re: Posters. I found one at a local (Minneapolis) Wal-Mart. Chances are you might also find them at Target and K-Mart. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 23:17:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA06465 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:59:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:59:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199506130259.WAA14922@k12.oit.umass.edu> From: framos@k12.oit.umass.edu (Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: RE: Latest Kats roster and other stuff Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: ME> >Wow. Membership appears to be up to around 32 or 33 people on th ME> >(and one digest member) -- and possibly growing! As Andy said, I ME> >surprised (although pleasantly) at the success of the list... th ME> >be nice to hear from the lurkers once in a while (just so we know ME> >you have a pulse out there ;-). ME> ME> ME> Hello, my name is Ryan, and I'm a lurker. Well almost. I did ME> post here once before. Ok, bye. (Sorry, that's it. I don't ME> have anything more intelligent to say right now.) ;-) Hi. My name is Dan... and... I watch SWAT KATS. It's...it's an adiction... but..but I LIKE IT!! I gotta pass the blame for this onto Dana Uehara :) He was on FurryMUCK as Razor/Jake and I thought it was a cool character and wondered where he got it from and he told me about SWAT KATS. I caught a few ep's on TBS and thought it was REALLY kewl!!! Next! :) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 12 23:41:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA07022 for kats-ll; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:32:08 -0400 From: Frplayguy@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:31:26 -0400 Message-Id: <950612232931_69566082@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: AW CRUD!!!! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hello folks! I wrote an e-mail opost earlier regarding the SWAT KATS ppat files for use as wallpaper for your desktop. Well,guess what >I< got in reply from the AOL Overlords............... Date: Mon, Jun 12, 1995 9:43 PM EDT From: AFC Paul Subj: Swat Kats ppats To: Frplayguy cc: AFA Andrew, AFC Borg, AFC Susan Hi Frplayguy, We have reviewed your uploads and regret that we are unable to accept it for inclusion in our library. The Macintosh Utilities forum has recently revised their policy regarding acceptable uploads and your files do not conform to the new guidelines. If you have questions about the new guidelines, please read the text file "Acceptable Uploads," which can be accessed from Keyword: MUT, then by clicking the "Utilities Reference Guide" icon. A good rule of thumb to remember when you are planning to upload any scanned or captured (from broadcast or videotape) image is that if you did not create the image yourself or take the photograph from which the image is derived yourself, do not upload the image. We must decline these uploads because they contain copyright protected images. Before we could release them we'd need permission from the copyright owners. Since this permission is not likely to be available, we have gone ahead and deleted the uploaded files. Thanks for thinking of MUT. Even though we cannot accept your uploads, your account will be credited for the time you spent uploading. Paul Smallwood (AFC Paul) Forum Consultant - Mac Utilities Forum FORTUNATELY,thanks to PaulHurley@aol.com,I've sent the files over to him (I can send files to other AOL-ers,but not to those outside of AOL--sorry) so he can then put them up on the Pumadyne FTP site (I'll bet the AOL killjoys did'nt think of THAT,now did they? HA!). If this works out,I'll be making other pix to use as desktop images (such as the Doc Konway drawing,if the good Dr. gives his blessing),as well as some SK artwork drawn by C & Y Trembly themselves. Enjoy! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 00:39:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA07575 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:21:25 -0400 Message-Id: From: mintedb@ndlc.occ.uky.edu (David Minter) Subject: Re: Latest Kats roster and other stuff[D[D To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 23:15:04 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199506130259.WAA14922@k12.oit.umass.edu> from "Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)" at Jun 12, 95 10:59:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 936 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > ME> >Wow. Membership appears to be up to around 32 or 33 people on th > ME> >(and one digest member) -- and possibly growing! As Andy said, I > ME> >surprised (although pleasantly) at the success of the list... th > ME> >be nice to hear from the lurkers once in a while (just so we know > ME> >you have a pulse out there ;-). I'm David Brian Minter, middle name not necessary. :> I'm a 21 year old computer science major, and I fell for SWAT Kats from my first episode. There's not one single element that makes this show; everything simply works together! The art has definately improved over the second season, and it's such shame that we're not going to see another. Maybe we can save it, but... Anyway, about the guest voices on the show, I'd love to see, er, hear Burgess Meredith appear as a guest villain. Waiting for the toys; David Minter Next player, please... From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 01:09:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA07764 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:56:39 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 12 Jun 1995 20:57:17 EDT. <01HRMRV20FXK94ENLZ@delphi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:56:12 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun13.005621edt.46336@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > Why doesn't it make sense to put human cartoons in the Kat universe? > We put kat cartoons in the human universe... because there's no precedent. it would be as odd as if 90% of the cartoons in our world had naked mole-rats as the main characters. now if the Kats kept primates as pets or something, then you might see "human" toons in the Kat world, but there's a good chance that the Kat-human-toons would have tails, fur, etc. like, if The Little Mermaid were in the Kat universe, Ariel would be half-kat instead of half-human. hmm, well, maybe you could explain it away with enough backstory. say that animation in its earliest forms was brought to the height of popularity by a certain Walt de Cegny, and one of his early creations was an irascible naked mole-rat named Ronald. (they were doing their usual flour-sack drawing exercises one day, then someone added teeth and nostrils to one of the sacks, Walt said it looked just like a naked mole-rat, and the rest is history.) Ronald the naked mole-rat eventually got relatives, and then a whole naked-mole-rat world was built around him. (with a few suricates thrown in for variety.) however, with the rapid advances in computer technology in the '40s and '50s (see The Teraflop Terror: a history of the US/Soviet computation competition), anyone in their living room could capture an image of, say, Marilyn Monroe as she read the evening news, and digitally interpolate her into any $2 interactive story. so the hand-drawn animation industry essentially collapsed. de Cegny's studio survived though, partly because de Cegny was by then a multinational corporation (ie, they owned Beatrice). and in the dark ages of the '60s and '70s, the naked mole-rat cartoons were recycled as children's programming. but eventually the kids grew up (an unfortunate habit they have), and in the '80s and '90s started reviving serious adult interest in this recherche art form. and as adults, they realized that the naked mole-rats had a depth and artistry to them unmatched by, umm, by 1 billion couch muffins fiddling with their laseremotes. by this time, the de Cegny corporation held patents for all the algorithms involved in producing simulated-hand-drawn animation. so the animation renaissance in the late '90s was corporation-driven and consisted almost entirely of naked-mole-rat spinoffs. and suricates. or something like that. urg. I think the main reason I'm writing this drivel is because my boyfriend is 3000 km away. (bonus points for anyone who knows what a suricate is :) -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 10:39:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA00336 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:25:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:32:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Animato! and I have an agreement... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi guys, the publisher of Animato! (you know, with the extensive 'KATS article coming out) is going to give me a deal on a bunch of them. I'm going to buy ten of this issue, some of you have spoken up for copies, the rest should get in quick. If I run out, I'll increase the order. I'm sending promotional ones to the Tremblay bros, some folks at H-B and a couple others, so there's still about three or four unaccounted for. This publisher guy himself was _amazed_ in the interest, and he _runs_ the damn magazine. Lots of folks are waking up, what's wrong with Ted's alarm clock? Andy _____________________________________________________________________________ "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 10:42:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA00429 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:31:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: lurklurklurk... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HRMRH5BW8Y94ENLZ@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Jun 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > You're darn tootin' they're not as good as the real thing! It's not > that the electronic art is bad, but it sure is nice to have > something hangin' on the wall! The only drag with grabs is that they lose a lot of definition for some reason. If you're any good at art/paint, you can "clean up" the pencilling and do your own ink and paint - and make your own poster. I practiced with TMNT and graduated to 'KATS - now I'm not half bad; the color key is the tough part. > The posters are published & distributed by: > American Arts & Graphics, Inc. > 10915 47th Ave. W. > Mukilteo, WA 98275 These guys are like 100 miles away from me, and it's on my "to do" list to give them a call and see if I can get some kind of volume deal. The only drag using this route is that sales figs for retail outlets won' t show the purchases, and I want certain folks to _read_ those figures and choke on them. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 10:45:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA00277 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:18:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Poster lock on! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <950612091311_68985243@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 12 Jun 1995 SkyKit@aol.com wrote: > The Swat Kats Poster turned up in N.Y. in a Toys R Us near me. For any one > who wants to load up a spider missle to snag one, feel free to drop me a > line. > ::Bingo!:: I would say that the distribution of these things just took a giant leap forward - all of a sudden these things seem to be in quite a few stores. I'm hoping that every time a Toys R Us or similar goes out of stock on stuff like this, a certain Mansion-bound cable magnate gets a sizeable lightning bolt shot up his bottom. For all the unfamiliar e-add's showing up, if you're inclined, send your street add over to Walt at WKOZIOL@Delphi.com. He's beginning an "unofficial" SwatKats fan club, which might have aspirations of becoming official once the newsgroup gets up and running in conjunction with this. If I can work out some distribution hassles, I want to send some stuff to people on Walt's list in support of the show - but you have to be on it first! Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 11:18:41 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA00661 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:47:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: RE: Latest Kats roster and other stuff To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 11 Jun 1995, Ryan Fields wrote: > Hello, my name is Ryan, and I'm a lurker. Well almost. I did post here > once before. Ok, bye. (Sorry, that's it. I don't have anything more > intelligent to say right now.) ;-) Hey, this is good enough...as long as we know there's fish in the ocean we'll continue to throw in bait. Some people have a fear of posting on newsgroups etc - I hope that isn't going to be a big deal on the newsgroup - everyone's got something to say, and shouldn't worry about it being "intelligent"; "intelligent" in comparison to what? I still can't get any kind of definitive answer on the toy release, maybe some of us in the States can check their Toys R Us and Target this month to see if they show up? Someone I know spoke to TRU's head office, and evidently the 'KAT toys are scheduled to ship, if they haven't already. I'm personally hoping that they come out with a TurboKat, and if they don't - model builders should take note that Falk says the TK is based on an F-14, and with a few modifications you could probably build one (I know I'm going shopping when I get a break). Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 11:22:49 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA00765 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:56:49 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506131055.ZM1637@tekdev-10> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:55:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "Animato! and I have an agreement..." (Jun 13, 7:32am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Animato! and I have an agreement... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 13, 7:32am, Andy Hill wrote: > Subject: Animato! and I have an agreement... > > Hi guys, the publisher of Animato! (you know, with the extensive > 'KATS article coming out) is going to give me a deal on a bunch of them. > I'm going to buy ten of this issue, some of you have spoken up for > copies, the rest should get in quick. If I run out, I'll increase the order. > I'm sending promotional ones to the Tremblay bros, some folks at H-B and > a couple others, so there's still about three or four unaccounted for. > This publisher guy himself was _amazed_ in the interest, and he _runs_ > the damn magazine. Lots of folks are waking up, what's wrong with Ted's > alarm clock? Scooby Doo ate it! > > Andy > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > "It isn't the money, or the time...it's just that we all worked so hard to > make something really good...to prove to the system.." - Mike Jittlov > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > >-- End of excerpt from Andy Hill -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 22:39:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA08673 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:27:22 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Animato! and I have an agreement... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRO9APM6N68ZFZU8@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > Hi guys, the publisher of Animato! (you know, with the >extensive 'KATS article coming out) is going to give me a deal on >a bunch of them. I'm going to buy ten of this issue, some of you Do you know when the specific date of the issue is going to be available in stores? I think the young lady at Borders is starting to wonder about me! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 23:09:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA08893 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:02:33 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HROAJCR0CK8ZFZU8@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Felix Lee writes: >> Why doesn't it make sense to put human cartoons in the Kat >>universe? We put kat cartoons in the human universe... > >because there's no precedent. it would be as odd as if 90% of the >cartoons in our world had naked mole-rats as the main characters. ... >or something like that. > >urg. I think the main reason I'm writing >this drivel is because my boyfriend is 3000 km away. > >(bonus points for anyone who knows what a suricate is :) ahhh.. you're just yankin' my tail! And when was the last time you were in Africa? ;) Besides, I think it'd be funny for Jake & Chance to be catching _a_ cartoon on their Katsui TV which had kat thropomorphized humans on it! (Well... maybe not..) -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 13 23:16:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA08791 for kats-ll; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:46:57 -0400 From: MATT_W@delphi.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 22:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: lurklurklurk... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRO9YXFSMM8ZFZU8@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Andy Hill writes: > The only drag with grabs is that they lose a lot of >definition for some reason. If you're any good at art/paint, you >can "clean up" the pencilling and do your own ink and paint - and >make your own poster. I practiced with TMNT and graduated to >'KATS - now I'm not half bad; the color key is the tough part. Ya know, I have _limited_ access to a screen grabber and I _do_ have Photoshop 3.0. If anyone has a specific frame they'd like to have cleaned up, let me know! Photoshop makes it really easy to do (once you figure out the program). By the way, the reason the grabs are usually so bad is because VHS tape only has about 240 lines of resolution. Ahhh.. the wonders of NTSC (Never Twice the Same Color). Now if someone has an S-VHS tape, I can grab those with about 400 lines of resolution. They should be much cleaner! If we could get the paint info for the color key (i.e. the Pantone color numbers) we'd be all set! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 01:09:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA09636 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:58:31 -0400 From: WKOZIOL@delphi.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 00:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Animato! and I have an agreement... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HROEJJRGFQ91XOM2@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Animato Magazine Andy you can include me in on one of those issues. If you need my snail mail address let me know. Thanks. wkoziol@delphi.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 04:09:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA10669 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 03:39:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9506140739.AA03329@cisk> Subject: Kat stuff... To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 0:39:00 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 668 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Paul and I have uploaded some new pix to the pumadyne ftp site. Check 'em out when you have a chance (and btw, thanks Curt for scanning the Hudson Soft brochure for me)! I'm curious as to what the Animato issue itself will say (and I plan on keeping tabs as to snagging a copy of the magazine itself when it comes out). A fairly busy week in the lab has kept me from replying to a lot of the listmail (yes, even I've had to mostly lurk on my own list ;-), but I'll do my best to get to replying to it as soon as I can. -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 09:09:27 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA12428 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:06:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Animato! and I have an agreement... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HRO9APM6N68ZFZU8@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jun 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > Andy Hill writes: > > Hi guys, the publisher of Animato! (you know, with the > >extensive 'KATS article coming out) is going to give me a deal on > >a bunch of them. I'm going to buy ten of this issue, some of you > > Do you know when the specific date of the issue is going to be > available in stores? I think the young lady at Borders is starting > to wonder about me! Well, "mid-June" was the last word, when the guy calls back I'll ask for sure. These guys are amazing, if you've never read the mag - they're all toon fans themselves, and do the mag in their "spare" time. Some of the people contributing to the rag are very impressive - Leonard Maltin, Stephen Bissette, Margaret Loesch, Savage Steve Holland - tons of others. It's written with more information of interest to toon fans, as opposed to "Animation Magazine", which though interesting, tends to cater to industry folks - and not everyone's interested in that angle (I am, personally). I also forgot to mention that they have to split the 'KATS article over two issues, because it's so involved. I'll do a similar thing for the second issue as I'm doing for the first, except I think I'll need fifteen copies instead of ten (I already have to up my current order). This mag is read by quite a few fairly important folks, and if anyone has opinons on the cancellation issue - "Animato!" does have a letters page, and if they see the interest in 'KATS is sufficient, letters will get printed, and many industry folks will read. I sent one letter off, but it was early on and a bit inaccurate - so I'll send another for the next ish. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 09:39:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA12691 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:35:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 08:28:04 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506141328.AA03478@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Animato! and I have an agreement... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy- Do you have subscription info.?? It sounds like a mag that needs to be added to my monthly pile. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 09:44:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA12558 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:19:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HROAJCR0CK8ZFZU8@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 13 Jun 1995 MATT_W@delphi.com wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Felix Lee writes: > > >> Why doesn't it make sense to put human cartoons in the Kat > >>universe? We put kat cartoons in the human universe... > Besides, I think it'd be funny for Jake & Chance to be catching _a_ > cartoon on their Katsui TV which had kat thropomorphized humans on > it! (Well... maybe not..) Hmmm. Two points here. In "When Strikes Mutilor", the Aquians were initially conceptualized as humans - but they'd have their space-helmets on for the whole ep, and you wouldn't realize it until the absolute end. Lance Falk was ordered to change it and "just make them cat-aliens". Falk was so upset at this interference from this certain individual (similar occurred on "Turmoil") that he wasn't going to do any more 'KATS stories until convinced by Davis Doi to do "Unlikely Alloys". 'KAT-thromorphic humans? There's something I noticed between the first and second season eps that's kind of interesting. The character models for Ann Gora and Callie Briggs are very cat-like, as are the guys, but in the second season all the new women are essentially the famous anime humanized versions with "cute button noses, pointy ears and tails". Look at Felina compared to Callie when you see two of them in the same shot - why do you figure they made Felina look so much less 'KAT like? I don't know if it's just me, but she seems to mimic similar creatures in some of the Japanese stuff that's aimed at the _adult_ audience...hmm; another contradiction in the "did you know Razor and T-Bone watch TV too" tone of things like the fan-letter responses and the "Katseye News Special" episode. Someone's probably going to net-slap me, but although I knew that 'KATS had some appeal to the serious-Furry crowd, I had _no_ idea just _how_ much until recently. Cool. Perhaps someone did the math a bit earlier, say..at the beginning of the second season, when they came up with Felina? Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 10:09:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA12816 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 09:48:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 06:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Animato! and I have an agreement... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506141328.AA03478@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > > Andy- > > Do you have subscription info.?? > It sounds like a mag that needs to be added to my monthly pile. > > Ian Yup. Here it is: Animato! 17 Spruce St. Springfield, MA 01105 413-731-7928 If you want to call them, evenings their time is best as they all seem to have a day job elsewhere. There is an ans. machine on during other times, but it's, er..."unreliable" at best. This is old info, but sub rates as follows: One year, CONUS subscription: 12.00 One year, foreign: 16.00 Expect these to have gone up, but it's still worth it. I've got to finally get a sub, my comix store can't keep up (or won't - It's hard to get a straight answer). Later. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 21:09:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA21685 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 20:54:54 -0400 From: Frplayguy@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 20:54:12 -0400 Message-Id: <950614205409_95072284@aol.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: NEWS ON EXON'S ANTI SMUT BILL (THE NOOSE TIGHTENS) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This transcript is from the Omaha World Herald (6/14/95): (I know it has nothing to do with 'Da Kats",but I felt it was important enough to post) EXON 'BLUE BOOK' BOLSTERS CASE FOR INTERNET PORN BILL Washington--As Sen. J.J. Exon,D-Neb.,seeks Senate passage of his bill to clean up the Internet,one of his most effective tools is a loose-leaf binder he calls "the blue book". The binder contains copies of pornographic photographs and other materials that Exon says are readily available on the global computer network. Exon said Tuesday that he has shown the blue book in private to about a dozen senators to illustrate the need for his Communications Decency Act. All have reacted with "total shock",he said. "I really don't believe (most senators) understand the depths of depravity that's available",Exon said. "They think it's just pictures of naked women". Exon's legislation is part of a larger bill to overhaul federal telecommunications law and to eliminate many existing regulations. His proposal,however,would impose new rules on the unregulated Internet,making it a crime to transmit obscene or indecent material using a computer. The Senate is expected to vote soon on the issue. Meanwhile,Exon reached agreement Tuesday with Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind. on changes designed to solidify support from conservative and religious groups. "This is'nt a cure-all",Exon said. "But it's an important step in the right direction". Exon's "blue book" includes a lengthy index of computer "bulletin boards" that Internet users can access on particular sexual topics. The book also includes some of the explicit photographs of sexual organs and sexual acts,including bondage and bestiality,that computer users can download and view. Sen. Bob Kerry, D-Neb.,is one senator who has been influenced by Exon's presentation. He said he initially did not support Exon's proposal because of concern it would restrict free speech. But after Exon showed him the binder Friday,kerry said,he became convinced that something is needed to prevent children from obtaining access to computer-distributed pornography.He said he expects that he will support the final version of Exon's plan,which has been modified several times. ****************************************************************************** ****************************************************************************** **** FIX PROPOSED FOR CYBERPORN As Congress takes up a new telecommunications law and accompanying proposals to ban pornography from cyberspace,a group of companies has proposed a technical fix. Software giant Microsoft Corp. has joined with Netscape Communications and a small Seattle-based company,Progressive Networks,to develop a software standard to enable parents to shut off children's access to computer porn,which is widely available as photos and text on the Internet. One way the system might work is that ratings of content would be provided voluntarily by host computers putting information on the Internet,Rob Glaser,chief executive of Progressive Networks,said Tuesday. Parents could adjust software on their home computers to permit access only to what does'nt offend them. Glaser sad groups such as the National Education Association or The Christian Coalition might be called on to issue such ratings. Dozen's of group' views could be included. The three companies expect to have a report on standards by the end of the year. Some critics say legislation,not voluntary and blocking software,is needed. ****************************************************************************** ****************************************************************************** **** Normally,I would'nt throw in my 2 cents worth,but these events are so frightening,I just HAVE to say something (while I'm still allowed to). People,this is an obvious move to control what is the last remaining truly free forum available to the human race. They claim to want to provide protection for the children,but in doing so,they consider you ALL as children who need to be protected from themselves. The previous text obviously shows that the "powers that be" are frightened of the Internet because it is not under their control. So to "correct" that,the government sets out to literally rewrite the very structure of the Internet,so that it and all that goes on it can be monitored and controlled. Meanwhile,megabillion dollar corporations plan to join forces with the Christain Coalition, (which is run by "700 Club" televangelist Pat Robertson and his minions) to decide what shall be deemed "good" or "bad" for you to see or read (they claim that they will consult with other groups,but what that means is that they will work with various pro-censorship groups--it is safe to assume that none of YOUR views will be listened to). People,not to overdramatize the situation,but this really IS our darkest hour. Are you just going to sit there while they make slaves out of you? The Internet as it now stands is free in more ways than one. If the polititians,corporations,and religious activists get their way,the net will not be free under ANY definition of the word! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 14 21:39:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA22108 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:36:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9506150136.AA16919@cisk> Subject: Re: NEWS ON EXON'S ANTI SMUT BILL (THE NOOSE TIGHTENS) To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:36:09 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 833 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Frplayguy@aol.com writes: > This transcript is from the Omaha World Herald (6/14/95): > > (I know it has nothing to do with 'Da Kats",but I felt it was important > enough to post) If it has nothing to do with the Kats, then DON'T POST IT!!!! Given the high volume of traffic on the list lately, especially in the last few days, I'd like to remind everyone to please keep on topic with the Kats as much as possible. Minor digressions to HB and Turner are fine, but let's *not* get carried away here. Please address any questions to me through email. Thanks. (BTW, I promise to have a longer, more interesting list letter in a few days, as soon as things get less chaotic for me.) -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 00:09:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA23131 for kats-ll; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:52:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:52:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199506150352.XAA18701@k12.oit.umass.edu> From: framos@k12.oit.umass.edu (Fernando Ramos (Ludlow HS 95)) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: NEWS ON EXON'S ANTI SMUT BILL (THE NOOSE TIGHTENS) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: FR> EXON 'BLUE BOOK' BOLSTERS CASE FOR INTERNET PORN BILL FR> FR> Washington--As Sen. J.J. Exon,D-Neb.,seeks Senate passage of FR> his bill to From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 07:39:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA25732 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:34:43 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:02:17 EDT. <01HROAJCR0CK8ZFZU8@delphi.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:34:05 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun15.073417edt.46638@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Matt: > ahhh.. you're just yankin' my tail! And when was the last time you > were in Africa? ;) never. I was going to say something clever about mitochondrial Eve, but I realized it made no sense. :) (boyfriend 3000km away is in Portland Oregon, not Africa. well, Mt. Hood looks like Mt. Kilimanjaro, if you squint. :) > Besides, I think it'd be funny for Jake & Chance to be catching _a_ > cartoon on their Katsui TV which had kat thropomorphized humans on > it! (Well... maybe not..) ok, silly question for today is: what would a katamorphic ape look like? the kats would use a basic kat shape, but modify it with characteristic ape traits. things that distinguish kats from apes. problem is, kats are anthropomorphic already, so there's not much room to work with. rounded ears on the side of the head, exaggerated since it's a major visible difference. fur, since human hair is an oddity. flat teeth. probably a flat nose. maybe a protruding jaw. no tail. plantigrade. hmm. stockier build, not as tall, especially legs. except the females; female katamorphs look very much like kats, complete with enlarged mammary glands, long kat-like hair, etc. dunno what else. oh well. it's really too bad they didn't let the Aquians be human... -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 08:39:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA26093 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:27:29 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 12 Jun 1995 08:42:05 EDT. <9506120842.ZM27834@tekdev-10> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:26:44 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun15.082704edt.46639@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Mitch Botwin: > A way around this is to have events that occur at a different time, > set up events that occur in the Kats' present. A tool, map, book, > just about anything can be critical to the resolution of the problem > and provide the key to the resolution. hmm. ok. this is the time-travel approach, without actual time-travel. so some archeologist/paleontologist kats uncover remnants of the Flintstones civilization, and somehow this gets tied to a badguy scheme. my first impulse is to invent some exciting tale of academic intrigue: a tenure-hungry professor who will stop at nothing to be the first to publish. rather like Indy Jones, but without the action and adventure :) but then it would be hard to do an interesting narrative in the Flintstones time. hmm. how about a frozen-caveman scenario? urgh. I really have to stop this random plotting.. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 09:39:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA26613 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:10:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 08:03:07 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506151303.AA16214@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: SWAT Kats meet the Flintstones Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >ok, silly question for today is: what would a katamorphic ape look like? the kats would use a basic kat shape, but modify it with characteristic ape traits. things that distinguish kats from apes. Here's a thought-- An episode where the boys go to the MegaKat city ZOO!!!! That could put an end to everyones wondering. I can't remember off the top of my head, but when the Kats were fighting the old war pilot that was after Manx, and they downed him in the ocean. Where there any fish in the underwater scene when the plane sank?? Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 10:39:46 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA27436 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:35:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: ...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506150136.AA16919@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 14 Jun 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > Frplayguy@aol.com writes: > > This transcript is from the Omaha World Herald (6/14/95): > > > > (I know it has nothing to do with 'Da Kats",but I felt it was important > > enough to post) > > If it has nothing to do with the Kats, then DON'T POST IT!!!! > > Given the high volume of traffic on the list lately, especially in the > last few days, I'd like to remind everyone to please keep on topic with > the Kats as much as possible. Minor digressions to HB and Turner are > fine, but let's *not* get carried away here. Yeah, maybe second thought should've been given before posting that to the list - but the poster had nothing but good intentions, and put it up everywhere Furry can be found. If anyone's tempted to flame the poster - it's a one time occurrence, and a few have pointed out that perhaps this isn't the best place for that. I encourage a bit of latitude here, as Michael is the only other one of us that the Tremblays talk to, and has gone through a lot of trouble to scan in some of the artwork from Christian Tremblay for us to look at. In a day full of negatives, here's another. A couple of us read "Animation Magazine" (and one of us gets every one of his letters published - but it ain't me!). The May issue left out my letter on Turner's handling of SwatKats - but that's because H-B practically _bought_ the entire issue out - their ads, articles and contest stuff fill the entire ish. Anyway, the "negative" part is that H-B ads of various shapes 'n 'sizes occur about fifteen times throughout the rag, and you know the little logos that appear beside the "We Are Cartoons!" slogan? Not a _single one_ is a SwatKat. They even dug up Magilla Gorilla's ugly mug for one of them - but went out of their way to avoid 'KATS. The blue-suits are really trying to sweep the whole embarassing 'KATS mess under the rug, aren't they? Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 11:09:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA27539 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 10:49:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 09:41:39 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506151441.AA17173@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: ...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy said- >little logos that appear beside the "We Are Cartoons!" >slogan? Not a _single one_ is a SwatKat. They even dug up Magilla >Gorilla's ugly mug for one of them - but went out of their way to avoid >'KATS. I've noticed on the shows that I catch at various times through the week, Two Stupid Dogs, SK, even the Flintstones if I'm not mistaken, that scroll through the various WAC(We are Cartoons) pictures. SwatKats have disappeared. I've noticed that they have revived several of the old characters, Top Cat, Huckleberry, even Oggie Dog, but rarely if ever do the Kats get theirs shown anymore (at least from what I've seen). Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 11:39:43 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA27888 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:10:32 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506151109.ZM8381@tekdev-10> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:09:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "...the road to hell is paved with good intentions..." (Jun 15, 7:43am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: ...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 15, 7:43am, Andy Hill wrote: > Subject: ...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... !" > slogan? Not a _single one_ is a SwatKat. They even dug up Magilla > Gorilla's ugly mug for one of them - but went out of their way to avoid > 'KATS. The blue-suits are really trying to sweep the whole embarassing > 'KATS mess under the rug, aren't they? Is this an active effort, or is this occuring because no one at Turner cares? > > Andy > >-- End of excerpt from Andy Hill -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 23:39:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA07753 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:32:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199506160332.AA27456@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net" Organization: ibmnet To: Kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:24:51 +0000 Subject: Swat Kats renewalll????? X-Confirm-Reading-To: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I wish something would happen to Swat Kats? I wish i would get picked up by somebody?? Wgn.Upn,Nbc,Cbs,Abc Someone save this show.............. Mcshade: A deciated fan of furries, dragons and The MMPR's (mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net) "Dragonzord"- Tommy Former Green Ranger. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 23:56:03 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA07461 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:13:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: ...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506151109.ZM8381@tekdev-10> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Mitch Botwin wrote: > On Jun 15, 7:43am, Andy Hill wrote: > > Subject: ...the road to hell is paved with good intentions... > !" > > slogan? Not a _single one_ is a SwatKat. They even dug up Magilla > > Gorilla's ugly mug for one of them - but went out of their way to avoid > > 'KATS. The blue-suits are really trying to sweep the whole embarassing > > 'KATS mess under the rug, aren't they? > > Is this an active effort, or is this occuring because no one at Turner cares? This is a really tough call. The TCN promotion is still happening, but every effort by either the Tremblays or people at H-B is being stonewalled. Turner is an entity of contradiction; they change the KATS slot so more people can see it, yet refuse to acknowledge that there is existing interest in the press. This guy I was talking to hasn't returned my calls, and I have a feeling I may have a fairly large black checkmark beside my name because of how critical of the Turner org I've been in the newsgroups. They don't seem to understand that I can keep my KATS support efforts independent of my, er..."views" on how the Turner org blew it. Anyway, I'll keep trying, just like Christian Tremblay, until they have to get back to me - but with tact - as I don't want to bite the hand that feeds us (if "eventually"). BTW, they are _really_ pushing "Flintstones" and the WPT's - H-B even has a "storyboard" contest going at the moment; and the description of the type of "talent" they're looking for to be involved in new projects simply copies what we can already see (if we're desperate enough) in the WPT's. Not a future 'KATS-type project in sight. One of the high-ups at Warner's drew this to my attention in the May "Animation Magazine", and told me not to "hold my breath" for a quick 'KATS revival - still, he's been wrong before - and Turner doesn't usually give any kind of advance warning when he does something seemingly inexplicable. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 15 23:59:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA07766 for kats-ll; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:32:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9506160332.AA03656@cisk> Subject: Administrivia To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Thu, 15 Jun 95 20:32:15 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 2934 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Because of a recent posting which set off at least a couple of us on the list (including me, tho you may not have noticed because the bulk of the comments were through email), I'm reposting the administriva file for the list. Please read it and adhere to it as much as possible. Thanks. Administrative stuff for the SWAT Kats mailing list =================================================== Who's in charge: Administrative stuff -- duehara@atmos.ucla.edu (me). For technical stuff: rat@mv.mv.com (Paul Hurley). Subscription: The list is currently open. This means that you may join or drop yourself from the mailing list at any time by sending email to 'majordomo@lists.mv.net'. To join or drop anyone (other than yourself) from the list requires my approval. On- and off-topic stuff: Generally speaking, use your discretion. The list itself is not moderated, but I may advise people about postings which aren't really related to the list. In general, anything SWAT Kat-related is on-topic material. Related material, such as Turner Entertainment, mucking, etc. is less on-topic but may be allowed, up to a point. Key words are "up to a point." This means no personal crusades (please!!!) or general rabblerousing, and definitely NO FLAMING on the list. Violation of this, if serious enough, will lead to a warning on the first offense and removal from the list on the second offense. Anonymity: if you do not want your email address posted (for any reason) in a message to the list, please email me *directly* with the message and your request. I'll edit and send the message out under my name. Removal: As I stated above, you may email majordomo on your own to remove yourself from the list. Removing anyone else requires my approval (and I may also verify this through email). Other grounds for being dropped from the list include, but are not limited to: o General flaming or rabblerousing. I'll give at least one warning before I actually drop someone, however. o Constant off-topic posts, or leading the discussion to off- topic material. Again, there'll usually be at least one warning of some sort before I actually do this. o Posting of confidential material to the net. I was nearly removed from another list because I did this, even though I made sure that no names were involved. This could lead to being dropped from the list without warning. o Bounced mail. This one will be at my discretion. I generally won't drop anyone for bounced mail unless s/he is either (a) at an invalid address or (b) has mail bouncing to me for at least a couple of weeks. I'll try to alert the list before I do this as well, in case someone else on the list can get in touch with the person in question. Questions: Questions and comments are always appreciated. 'Nuff said. == Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu), 15 June 1995 From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 16 08:09:48 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA10307 for kats-ll; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:01:36 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:01:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199506161201.IAA13036@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: CRUD, the AW thereof Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: -If this works out,I'll be making other pix to use as desktop images (such as -the Doc Konway drawing,if the good Dr. gives his blessing),as well as some SK -artwork drawn by C & Y Trembly themselves. Enjoy! Huh? What? Blessing? Me? Oh, certainly! I don't mind, so long as the brothers Tremblay do not mind. Now, before you get mad at AOL, let us sit back and think a moment. They do indeed have a point. If copyrighted material is posted on their system, they could get into hot water. Oh, they could beat any rap, of course, but it would cause them lots of hassle and unwanted publicity. Consider today's Net-o-phobic environment. Besides, they are simply acting in accordance with the law. So be nice to them. ---- Samuel Conway, Ph.D. Senior Feline Distemper Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 16 09:39:57 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA11111 for kats-ll; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:35:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Swat Kats renewalll????? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506160332.AA27456@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net wrote: > I wish something would happen to Swat Kats? > > I wish i would get picked up by somebody?? > > Wgn.Upn,Nbc,Cbs,Abc Actually, this reminds me of something I forgot to say. 'KATS airs on a bunch of independents across the country aside from TBS, TCN - and occasionally certain stations that are actually Fox-affils. I asked the same question as above to certain people, and it appears that 'KATS hasn't even been _offered_ to the big guys on the block. I sent something over to Fox to see if they'd bite for the fall, but never got a response - and I'm making a demo cassette up for YTV in Canada, in the hopes they might pick it up for the fall, as well as another Seattle area independent (that I can actually receive). NBC, as we all know, stands for "Not Broadcasting Cartoons", so don't look too hard there for anything animated. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 16 09:44:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA10972 for kats-ll; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:26:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: 'KATS aren't the only things breathing in Mkat City... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506151303.AA16214@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Thu, 15 Jun 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > Here's a thought-- > An episode where the boys go to the MegaKat city ZOO!!!! > That could put an end to everyones wondering. > > I can't remember off the top of my head, but when the Kats were fighting the > old war pilot that was after Manx, and they downed him in the ocean. > Where there any fish in the underwater scene when the plane sank?? The ep was "The Ghost Pilot" (y'know, "The Red Lynx"), and I don't recall fish, but in "Mutation City", we get to see froggies - and in "Giant Bacteria" we see a cow; we also see scorpions of varying sizes in "Caverns of Horror", and T-Bone mentions "scum-snakes" at some point, though he may mean "lawyers". I'd guess their animal kingdom is much like ours, but so far they've stayed away from having any "pets" in the show, likely because no one can figure out exactly _what_ a 'KAT _would_ have for a pet (perhaps a lawyer?). Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 16 10:09:47 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA11392 for kats-ll; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:06:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 95 08:58:58 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506161358.AA29558@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: 'KATS aren't the only things breathing in Mkat City... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy had to say- >I'd guess their animal kingdom is much like ours, but so far they've >stayed away from having any "pets" in the show, likely because no one can >figure out exactly _what_ a 'KAT _would_ have for a pet (perhaps a lawyer?). A mouse naturally, fish would be another, I can't recall ever seeing them eat one so... I would assume they raise the cows for food, so maybe they stay away from rodent-based dinners (too high in fat). > The ep was "The Ghost Pilot" (y'know, "The Red Lynx") Mental lapse...."must have..slipped my mind"-Kevin McDonald, KITH From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 16 13:09:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA12980 for kats-ll; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:46:18 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:46:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199506161646.MAA17863@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: "The Ghost Pilot" Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I can't recall if I've put forth this little tidbit or not; your mind will start to get fuzzy when you reach my age, young'uns, so don't laugh. There are a lot of puns in Swat Kats, as we all know, though some of them are more obscure than others. "The Blue Manx" was (I thought) a very clever pun on "The Blue Max", which was a medal awarded to World War I flying aces in Germany. Just thought I'd broaden your horizons. ---- Samuel Conway Senior WWI Flying Ace Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 16 22:09:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA18842 for kats-ll; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 21:47:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: "The Ghost Pilot" To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506161646.MAA17863@unix2.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 16 Jun 1995 flogistn@netaxs.com wrote: > There are a lot of puns in Swat Kats, as we all know, though some of them > are more obscure than others. "The Blue Manx" was (I thought) a very clever > pun on "The Blue Max", which was a medal awarded to World War I flying > aces in Germany. > > Just thought I'd broaden your horizons. Yes! I caught that - it's one of the reasons I really like this ep - although technically the Red Lynx and the Blue Manx should've technically been Megawar I fighter aces rather than "II" - considering how advanced the Turbokat and the new Enforcer jet were compared to Lynx's plane. "Blue Max" was also a great movie on WWI flying aces starring George Peppard in the '60's. The "Red Lynx" is likely a takeoff on the "Red Baron" (no, not the Snoopy version), who was likely the best pilot in the First World War - but got shot down anyway, and died from gravity poisoning. Andy "you can't send a 'KAT up in a crate like this..." From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 17 06:39:56 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id GAA21565 for kats-ll; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 06:18:22 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: 'KATS aren't the only things breathing in Mkat City... In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 16 Jun 1995 09:58:58 EDT. <9506161358.AA29558@sv1.gentire.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 06:17:54 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun17.061804edt.45539@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Ian Lynn: > I would assume they raise the cows for food, so maybe they stay away > from rodent-based dinners (too high in fat). urm, how big are the Kats? I was going to say, they're probably about human-size, because the proportions of their jets match human jets, but this depends on too many aeronautic variables I don't know anything about. (and their atmospheric density probably makes a difference.) well, assume they're human-sized (and standard atmosphere) for simplicity. they probably domesticate some horse-like critter. hmm, an emu comes to mind. but I don't know if emus are versatile enough. oh what the hell. if they're human-sized, give them every human-domesticated critter too. well, you can extrapolate some odd effects from having fur. you don't need lapdogs to keep you warm. maybe you don't need any dogs at all. those claws don't look very vestigial. a naked Kat could probably stalk and kill a gazelle with average success. but it's still useful to have hunting dogs, because they're more expendable. or maybe they use hunting birds? maybe Kats have an extensive range of domesticated birds. emus, falcons, gryphons, hens, etc. that's why they have choppers and jets flying through the city all the time. it's because they have a heritage of avian support. but in that case, there aren't enough civilian aircraft. oh well. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 17 15:11:14 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA23900 for kats-ll; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:40:14 -0400 From: August Yang Message-Id: <199506171839.OAA12355@ritz.mordor.com> Subject: Things that inhale and exhale in MegaKat City...\ To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:39:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1173 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Before we get into that I've found out that TNT (Turner Network Television) has it's own e-mail address (tnt@turner.com), but fingering and/or telneting to this site has availed nothing. (I was hoping to get e-mail to Ted Turner, himself). However, this might be another avenue to pursue the Liberation of the SWAT Kats. (SLF?) In any case, this other species thing has brough to mind two other episodes. One, in _SWAT Kats Unplugged_, the guy they were initially chasing was a hyena, not a Kat. This open up whether or not there are other canine species on the Planet of the Kats. (Oooo. bad B-movie potiential here flox) Two, in the episode most recently shown, Chance says, "Purrs like a kitten, Growls like a lion". Wild Kats? Or maybe Lions, along with other species, are a kind of Noble Breed, like royalty with humans. August Paul yang spends too much time thinking about this sort of thing -- wntrmute@ritz.mordor.com | For my Life Public Relations and Official Test Audience for the FDC | Still ahead, "Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? | Pity me. -Queen Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it?" -Max Headroom From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 17 18:11:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id RAA25321 for kats-ll; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 17:44:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 14:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Things that inhale and exhale in MegaKat City...\ To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506171839.OAA12355@ritz.mordor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, August Yang wrote: > Before we get into that I've found out that TNT (Turner Network Television) > has it's own e-mail address (tnt@turner.com), but fingering and/or telneting > to this site has availed nothing. (I was hoping to get e-mail to Ted > Turner, himself). However, this might be another avenue to pursue the > Liberation of the SWAT Kats. (SLF?) There are a couple of e-adds, and I'm going to make a fairly big compostion up and cc both of them. Both these adds are _for_ feedback, and they certainly deserve some of all descriptions for their handling of the 'KATS thing. Anyone notice that the TCN thing, the videos, the SNES game and perhaps even the toys are coming up in the next couple of weeks, and there's been _no press_ at all anywhere - not even on the Turner owned networks that I've heard about - and certainly not the trade/fan rags. > In any case, this other species thing has brough to mind two other episodes. > One, in _SWAT Kats Unplugged_, the guy they were initially chasing was a > hyena, not a Kat. This open up whether or not there are other canine Yeah, hearing this reminds me of "Caverns of Horror" as well, where we have "Tiger Conklin", the pit boss - who's _actually_ a tiger. I can't recall, but does Mayor Manx have a tail? After all, "Manx" is a tailless species, no? Some of the names are pretty cool - I guess this is fairly obvious, but they all are some species of cat or related - like "Abbyssinian" (Dr. Abby Sinian), "Calico" (Callie Briggs), "Angora" (Anne Gora) and others like Chance "Fur"-long and Jake "Claw"-son, including my personal favourite, Dr. Leiter Greenbox (as in Kittylitter Green-box). Andy (who I guess is a bit _too_ bored today...) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 00:10:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28258 for kats-ll; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:55:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRTXJAWF9Q90QDQY@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I don't recall if this has been asked before, but here goes: Have the Tremblay brothers considered doing a comic book series based on the Kats? Or should I ask if Turner has _all_ the rights to all the Kats stuff? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 00:14:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28295 for kats-ll; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:58:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199506180358.AA140767@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net" Organization: ibmnet To: Kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:53:19 +0000 Subject: test X-Confirm-Reading-To: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: This is a test... Mcshade: A deciated fan of furries, dragons and The MMPR's (mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net) "Dragonzord"- Tommy Former Green Ranger. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 00:16:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA28211 for kats-ll; Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:52:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 23:52:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Things that inhale and exhale in MegaKat City...\ To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRTXFQK3NC90QDQY@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jun 1995 Andy Hill writes: > Yeah, hearing this reminds me of "Caverns of Horror" as well, >where we have "Tiger Conklin", the pit boss - who's _actually_ a >tiger. I can't recall, but does Mayor Manx have a tail? After >all, "Manx" is a tailless species, no? Some of the names are Mayor Manx *does* have a tail. >pretty cool - I guess this is fairly obvious, but they all are >some species of cat or related - like "Abbyssinian" (Dr. Abby >Sinian), "Calico" (Callie Briggs), "Angora" (Anne Gora) and others >like Chance "Fur"-long and Jake "Claw"-son, including my personal >favourite, Dr. Leiter Greenbox (as in Kittylitter Green-box). Let's not forget about Litterbin, Mac & Molly Mange (eww..), and what was the name of the Dr. at the museum in "Ghost Pilot"? Which brings to mind a lot of other kat related references... Wasn't there a "drug-deal" or something at the beginning of the "Metallikats" ep.? I can't remember, but did the mobsters refer to it as "kat-nip"? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 02:10:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA02130 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:55:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9506180555.AA23662@cisk> Subject: Finally, non-administrivia Kat-stuff! To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Sat, 17 Jun 95 22:55:37 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 3392 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Okay, it looks like today will be the least chaotic day I have, so I'll post something that doesn't involve administrivia, but includes actual commentary (and some of it lighthearted, even! ). Ian: An episode where the boys go to the MegaKat city ZOO!!!! That could put an end to everyones wondering. I can imagine Doctor Viper going there and having a field day with one of the Katalyst mutagens. The closest he's gotten (that I know of) is the episode "Mutation City," where Viper goes to a pet shop and turns a frog into a deadly mutant. (This means that we at least know that some Kats keep frogs as pets...) Andy: The TCN promotion is still happening, but every effort by either the Tremblays or people at H-B is being stonewalled. I get the impression that as far as Turner is concerned, the Kats are as good as dead. Tho it doesn't want to simply yank the series (I assume for fear of retaliation, if anything -- yeah, I know -- WHAT retaliation?) but instead phase it out. This guy I was talking to hasn't returned my calls, and I have a feeling I may have a fairly large black checkmark beside my name because of how critical of the Turner org I've been in the newsgroups. Heh. I get the feeling I may be in the same league as having a reputation for being a general troublemaker since I know I've done a few things that may have rubbed the Turner org's fur the wrong way (the last FAQ I posted to the net is an example). I can imagine calling HB and trying to talk to the same person that Andy's been talking to (if he actually answers, that is): "Hello." "Hi, my name is Dana Uehara and I..." *click* Well, I doubt if it's that bad, but I certainly don't expect to be on Turner's Christmas card list, at the very least. Felix: urm, how big are the Kats? I was going to say, they're probably about human-size, because the proportions of their jets match human jets, but this depends on too many aeronautic variables I don't know anything about. I'd say the Kats have the same growth hormone (abnormality?) that makes Alvin and the Chipmunks nearly human-sized. ;-) But this could be why we call them "Kats" and not simply "cats". Doc Konway was helpful enough to define a "Kat" as "an anthropomorphic feline who comes from a society slightly more technologically advanced than our own." I don't know what T-Bone's and Razor's heights would be by our standards, but on the mucks (where I play Razor) I have Razor at 5'7", which is (as it turns out) my height. well, you can extrapolate some odd effects from having fur. Uh-oh, a furgonomics question. ;-) Just out of curiosity, does anyone know -- or have any ideas for -- a design of the Ejektor Seats to accommodate tails? With the way the Ejektor Seats appear to be designed, I'm kinda surprised the Kats don't get tail cramps every time they're in the Turbokat. And as far as Kats hunting -- why would they need hunting dogs or birds? The technology they have in Megakat City would, I imagine, be more than enough for them to kill prety without having to stalk it. I'm curious to how a Kat (Kitten, in particular) would react to a string dangling from someone else's shirt. ;-) -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 04:45:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id EAA02892 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 04:12:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:15:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: "...sorry Christian, cat-characters don't work..." To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HRTXJAWF9Q90QDQY@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > I don't recall if this has been asked before, but here goes: > > Have the Tremblay brothers considered doing a comic book series > based on the Kats? Or should I ask if Turner has _all_ the rights > to all the Kats stuff? Early on, the Tremblays looked into doing a comic book on the 'KATS. A lot of people thought it was a great idea, and they started asking questions. Dark Horse Comics was interested at first, but when it came right down to a meeting, they just hummed and ha'd and told Christian something to the effect that "cat characters don't work". Sadly, Turner has an exclusive on-going agreement with...wait for it..."Archie" comics - who's record of mediocrity is as yet unsurpassed. Turner holds the rights to the 'KATS cartoon, merchandise, and any comic book venture - but Christian tells me that he and his brother retain the rights to any movie venture. " 'cat characters don't work"? Humbug. More than a few someone's told Kev Eastman and Peter Laird that Turtle characters wouldn't work back in 1984 - look how wrong they were. It's been suggested to the bros. Tremblay that perhaps Antarctic Press might be a good choice, and I thought of Mirage - who were looking for new properties awhile ago. Problem is, someone asked Christian about approaching people like this - "or does Turner have to do the asking?" - to which Christian nodded in almost-amusement/resignation. I suggested to Seibert, and by extension the whole Turner org, that perhaps they could try out a high-quality trade-paperback on the 'KAT guys to kind of "test the waters" if Ted wasn't ready for a regular 'KATS title. As usual, they aren't about to say anything one way or the other. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 09:10:10 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA03671 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:52:09 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: pets and string In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 18 Jun 1995 01:55:37 EDT. <9506180555.AA23662@cisk> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 08:51:22 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun18.085134edt.45611@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Dana Uehara: > And as far as Kats hunting -- why would they need hunting dogs or birds? > The technology they have in Megakat City would, I imagine, be more than > enough for them to kill prety without having to stalk it. yah, they probably don't need them now, but domestication is a long process, and most pets are domesticated for utilitarian reasons. > I'm curious to how a Kat (Kitten, in particular) would react to a string > dangling from someone else's shirt. ;-) heh. suddenly I wonder if T-Bone ever hovers the Turbokat above Razor with the ladder _just_ out of reach. -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 09:40:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA03818 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:27:33 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:27:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199506181327.JAA21470@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Size, Tails, Turner-bugging Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: - This guy I was talking to hasn't returned my calls, and I have - a feeling I may have a fairly large black checkmark beside my name - because of how critical of the Turner org I've been in the - newsgroups. -Heh. I get the feeling I may be in the same league as having a reputation -for being a general troublemaker since I know I've done a few things -that may have rubbed the Turner org's fur the wrong way (the last FAQ I -posted to the net is an example). I can imagine calling HB and trying -to talk to the same person that Andy's been talking to (if he actually -answers, that is): -"Hello." -"Hi, my name is Dana Uehara and I..." -*click* So, they know Dana's name. And they know Andy's name. But they don't know Sam's name. Y'know, boys, you can get surprisingly far with a "Doctor" in front of your name. ;) -Felix: urm, how big are the Kats? I was going to say, they're probably - about human-size, because the proportions of their jets match - human jets, but this depends on too many aeronautic variables I - don't know anything about. Oboy, *science*!! (*flexing muscles*) Whooaaa, waitaminute here. What's this about proportion? I've never seen a Kat jet up against a human jet. The TurboKat might be three inches high. Or it might be five hundred feet high. There's no way of telling how big the Kats are, because we have no idea if the planet they are on is heavy gravity or light, if indeed it's not this one. From the way the TurboKat is able to maneuver so swiftly, it makes me wonder if they aren't smaller. But that's no fun to think about. I want'em my size, too. -But this could be why we call them "Kats" and not simply "cats". Doc -Konway was helpful enough to define a "Kat" as "an anthropomorphic -feline who comes from a society slightly more technologically advanced -than our own." He asked me this at 12:30 AM on a Monday morning. I'm glad I was able to come up with an intelligent answer! -... but on the mucks (where I play Razor) I have Razor at -5'7", which is (as it turns out) my height. And he needs to put some meat on his bones! Dana, you too skinny!! Eat up, Mangia, we make-a you nice and fat! -Just out of curiosity, does anyone know -- or have any ideas for -- a -design of the Ejektor Seats to accommodate tails? With the way the -Ejektor Seats appear to be designed, I'm kinda surprised the Kats don't -get tail cramps every time they're in the Turbokat. Ever see a cat sitting? He curls his tail very neatly around one leg. I sorta imagine the Kats automatically curling their tails around the side of their right thighs (or opposite for lefties!) when they sit down. -The technology they have in Megakat City would, I imagine, be more than -enough for them to kill prey without having to stalk it. Yeah, but what fun is that? ;) ---- Samuel Conway Senior Kat-Analyzing Chemist Avid Therapeutics Philadelphia, PA flogistn@netaxs.com From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 10:41:24 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA04071 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:16:37 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: sizing kats In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:27:14 EDT. <199506181327.JAA21470@unix2.netaxs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:16:00 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun18.101612edt.45632@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Doc Conway: > Whooaaa, waitaminute here. What's this about proportion? I've never seen > a Kat jet up against a human jet. The TurboKat might be three inches high. > Or it might be five hundred feet high. There's no way of telling how big > the Kats are, because we have no idea if the planet they are on is heavy > gravity or light, if indeed it's not this one. From the way the TurboKat is > able to maneuver so swiftly, it makes me wonder if they aren't smaller. gravity is easy: how fast do things fall? whoops, no, I'm assuming you know distances, which depends on how big things are. hmm. ok, having an atmosphere constrains the size of the planet. smaller planet means less gravity means less atmosphere. less gravity makes it easier to fly, less atmosphere makes it harder, but it's not a linear relationship so they don't cancel each other out. hmm. does composition of atmosphere make a difference? urg. this is too complicated. oh hey. did the Secret Files of the Swat Kats give dimensions for the Turbokat? -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 14:11:34 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05474 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:54:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Things that inhale and exhale in MegaKat City...\ To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HRTXFQK3NC90QDQY@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > Let's not forget about Litterbin, Mac & Molly Mange (eww..), and > what was the name of the Dr. at the museum in "Ghost Pilot"? That's Dr. Abby Sinian (remember? "Abyssinian" from prev. post?) > Which brings to mind a lot of other kat related references... > Wasn't there a "drug-deal" or something at the beginning of the > "Metallikats" ep.? I can't remember, but did the mobsters refer to > it as "kat-nip"? Man, that whole scene was a huge surprise. That _did_ have underworld drug-dealing overtones - ask any cat about catnip - and the scene where M&M off the usurper boss was a complete shock after seeing so much PC dreck - check out the grizzled, baked claw peeking up from behind the packing crates at the scene's end. A lot of effort went in to putting that scene in there, it would've been far easier simply not to do it. Which brings me to a "violence" point. In May, 1995 "Animation Magazine" (you know, the one that should've had "Hanna-Barbera Presents" on the cover), there's an article about H-B's upcoming "Jonny Quest" with a surprising statement in it: "They've also added more realism. 'If you're up a cliff, you fall off the cliff, you die', explains (producer/director) Lawrence. 'You don't fall into the top of a tree and say 'well, that was a bit of luck,' because if you can do that then where's the jeopardy?'" Uh huh. I'll remember that next time I hear Turner make public comments concerning the non-violent aspect of his stuff. People like the realistic consequences in "SwatKats", his own production team carried that aspect forward into "Jonny", yet the rumour persists that 'KATS got killed because of violence issues? Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 14:18:31 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA05368 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:41:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Finally, non-administrivia Kat-stuff! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506180555.AA23662@cisk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sat, 17 Jun 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: > I get the impression that as far as Turner is concerned, the Kats are > as good as dead. Tho it doesn't want to simply yank the series (I assume > for fear of retaliation, if anything -- yeah, I know -- WHAT retaliation?) > but instead phase it out. > > This guy I was talking to hasn't returned my calls, and I have > a feeling I may have a fairly large black checkmark beside my name > because of how critical of the Turner org I've been in the > newsgroups. > > Heh. I get the feeling I may be in the same league as having a reputation > for being a general troublemaker since I know I've done a few things > that may have rubbed the Turner org's fur the wrong way (the last FAQ I > posted to the net is an example). I can imagine calling HB and trying > to talk to the same person that Andy's been talking to (if he actually > answers, that is): > > "Hello." > "Hi, my name is Dana Uehara and I..." > *click* Yeah, I used to be paranoid, until I realized everyone just thought I was. I just found out today that TCN tends to focus on one of it's shows every now and then - this month is evidently "Space Ghost", and next will be "SwatKats" in July, so it isn't necessarily anything "special" for the 'KAT guys, maybe it's just "their turn". The "Michael" guy that occasionally answers the H-B phone instead of Mark was quite, well.."hostile" when I mentioned internet and SwatKats in the same breath, and actually had to call Turner HQ for instructions before answering any questions (while I was on hold; long distance yet). It's mid-June, and like I said earlier - no press of any description on the upcoming merchandise - just my stuff on Internet, and some fan-articles in magazines and the like. If I had the damn cash, I'd take out a full page article in the trades encouraging people to write, and including information on the list and the newsgroup. As it is, I'll try and get this info appended to the end of the Animato! article's second part, in August I believe. > than our own." I don't know what T-Bone's and Razor's heights would be > by our standards, but on the mucks (where I play Razor) I have Razor at > 5'7", which is (as it turns out) my height. I guessed about that height for Razor, and about 6' or 6'1" for T-Bone. Interesting aside, this follows suit for the traditional H-B pairings of shorter and taller that've been the norm for most of their stuff over the years. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 14:40:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA05562 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:13:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Size, Tails, Turner-bugging To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506181327.JAA21470@unix2.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 18 Jun 1995 flogistn@netaxs.com wrote: > So, they know Dana's name. And they know Andy's name. > > But they don't know Sam's name. > > Y'know, boys, you can get surprisingly far with a "Doctor" in front of your > name. ;) The really frustrating thing about this whole deal is that the Turner org may not _realize_ how many people are into this show. If r.a.a., alt.fan.furry, this list and my phone and e-mail conversations are any indication - 'KATS is right up there with the best of 'em. Turner org is still a bit archaic in terms of information gathering, and they still base viewership on letters they receive. That's fine, but many people are shy about posting/writing and their views are never heard. The others of us that write letters and rack up our long distance bills run the risk of being labelled "obsessive fans", like some cretin in my mailbox with a bogus return add. Sorry, cannot complete call as dialed - no obsessive fanboy here, I just want to make sure Turner knows how big the iceberg _really_ is before he melts it. Write letters guys, even if you have to glue yourself to a desk and sell pencils out of a tin cup to come up with the cash for a stamp. > Oboy, *science*!! (*flexing muscles*) > > But that's no fun to think about. I want'em my size, too. Actually, this is a bit specious, but since they use days, hours, and "glops per minute", I think it's safe to assume feet and inches are the same as well. Falk obviously thought so, as his idea for the human spacecrew of Mutilor's ship had them scaled 1:1 with the 'KAT guys. Speaking of that, if Razor's about 5'5" - 5'7", that makes Felina Feral positively Amazonian! > -But this could be why we call them "Kats" and not simply "cats". Doc > -Konway was helpful enough to define a "Kat" as "an anthropomorphic > -feline who comes from a society slightly more technologically advanced > -than our own." > > He asked me this at 12:30 AM on a Monday morning. I'm glad I was able to > come up with an intelligent answer! I like this definition, and I think it'd make a keen addition to the FAQ, with attribtion, for those who will recognize the name from "Mutation City". Also, the newsgroup? Since a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, I'll stalk my prey in alt. config for a bit longer, but I _really_ need this thing up before the TCN promotion and the TBS timeslot change begins in July - so it might get Tom Servo'd; any comments from the netiquette-oriented folks appreciated, I'm personally a bit of an anarchist in case you missed it, and my definition of patience above and beyond the call of duty is waiting the five minutes for the microwave bell to ring. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 22:40:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA08540 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:15:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Size, Tails, Turner-bugging To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRV8C3XD9E8X05DD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >This guy I was talking to hasn't returned my calls, and I >have a feeling I may have a fairly large black checkmark >beside my name because of how critical of the Turner org >I've been in the newsgroups. >Heh. I get the feeling I may be in the same league as having >a reputation for being a general troublemaker since I know I've >done a few things that may have rubbed the Turner org's fur >the wrong way (the last FAQ I posted to the net is an example). >I can imagine calling HB and trying to talk to the same person >that Andy's been talking to (if he actually answers, that is): Hmmm.. I was watching SCI-FI Buzz this evening and someone had called in a "Buzz Best Bet" telling all the great stuff about Gargoyles. As the phone recorded message of the _obvious_ fan was playing, shots of the show were playing. This gave me an idea! I thought about calling SCI-FI Buzz and letting them know about SK to try to get it labelled as a "best bet". They mentioned someone contacted them through AOL (although didn't give the e-mail address) and there must also be a way to contact them by phone (also not given). I'm sure if they got calls from me, Andy, Dana, et. al. they'd almost be obligated to put it on the air! And since SCI-FI channel is owned by USA networks, Turner can't really do much about it! -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 18 22:49:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA08747 for kats-ll; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:38:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 22:37:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Things that inhale and exhale in MegaKat City...\ To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRV94PC9S88X05DD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 18 Jun 1995 Andy Hill writes: >That's Dr. Abby Sinian (remember? "Abyssinian" from prev. post?) DOH! >Uh huh. I'll remember that next time I hear Turner make public >comments concerning the non-violent aspect of his stuff. People >like the realistic consequences in "SwatKats", his own production >team carried that aspect forward into "Jonny", yet the rumour >persists that 'KATS got killed because of violence issues? It seems that "Jonny" should be more of an obstacle to get past the censors & non-violent whackos... with the realistic _human_ characters getting killed in nasty ways. I just don't understand -- and it's really frustrating! The whole point of entertainment television is ENTERTAINMENT, not "let's have everyone learn a valuable lesson for today." TVs whole embodiment is that of escapism (with the exception of TV news, which is far more violent than _any_ cartoon I've ever seen). If the higher-ups (i.e. PC poloticians) had their way, there'd be NO violence on TV ever. TV would soon vanish and people would be back to books, which have as much if not more violent acts depicted in them (you just need a little more imagination to pull the words together into an idea). In a world where children are exposed to so much through TV news, COPS, and documentaries on weapons, wars & the general depravity of human-kind; a little escapism in which the "good guys" win and the "bad guys" lose (and return again next week) can't _really_ be that bad. You can't tell me that little Mikey went outside and committed an act of violence against his next door neighbor because he saw Razor shoot a grappling missle at a baddie. Come on, Ted! I think we have enough common-sense to tell the difference between fantasy & reality! Now back to the regularly scheduled topic... -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 19 03:10:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA10695 for kats-ll; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:09:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9506190708.AA27421@cisk> Subject: Kat replies To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 0:08:49 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 2323 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Felix: I wonder if T-Bone ever hovers the Turbokat above Razor with the ladder _just_ out of reach. Well, it'd give Razor some exercise, if nothing else. oh hey. did the Secret Files of the Swat Kats give dimensions for the Turbokat? No linear dimensions that I know of, other than: - Top speed is Mach 5 (4500 mph) - Range: 1000 miles Andy: Actually, this is a bit specious, but since they use days, hours, and "glops per minute", I think it's safe to assume feet and inches are the same as well. Not to mention that the Kats also use the metric system. Case in point is the episode "The Metallikats," when Razor is tracking the Relentless Missile which the Metallikats fired at the Turbokat... "Twenty meters and closing..." Matt: [The Sci-Fi Channel] mentioned someone contacted them through AOL (although didn't give the e-mail address) and there must also be a way to contact them by phone (also not given). Well, whoever it was, it sure wasn't me (for one, I'm not on AOL, and for another, I'm causing enough trouble on the list so I'm staying kinda low on the net for a while ;-)... And since SCI-FI channel is owned by USA networks, Turner can't really do much about it! Umm, I wouldn't say that. If Turner owns the rights to the series (since it owns HB) I'd say there's plenty that Turner could do. TVs whole embodiment is that of escapism (with the exception of TV news, which is far more violent than _any_ cartoon I've ever seen). TV news sensationalizes violence. Why else would you see such stuff like O.J. Simpson, Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan (and etc.) on it? Animation in general is indeed a means of escapism, and it's one of the reasons I watch it a lot. Some time ago we discussed on the list how the Kat weaponry was designed to subdue criminals, rather than simply blast them out of the sky (and we're talking only about the SWAT Kats, not the Enforcers). SK getting canned because it was too violent sounds just as ludicrous for SK getting canned because of its lack of merchandising. And yes, I think Turner's rapidly running out of excuses. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 19 19:40:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA20156 for kats-ll; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:29:23 -0400 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: kat speed In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 19 Jun 1995 03:08:49 EDT. <9506190708.AA27421@cisk> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:28:44 -0400 From: Felix Lee Message-Id: <95Jun19.192858edt.45787@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: > - Top speed is Mach 5 (4500 mph) well, 'units' says that mach 5 is 3707 mph, so this is strong evidence that the velocity of sound on the Kat world is faster than in our world, so the kats probably have a denser atmosphere. :) (actually, mach 6 is 4449 mph, which is suspiciously close to the number quoted, so it looks like it's off by one.) > Not to mention that the Kats also use the metric system. good. the US officially went metric in 1976. it's about time someone noticed. :) -- From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 19 21:40:26 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA21395 for kats-ll; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:18:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: SCI-FI Buzz & other stuff.. To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HRWKNRPGEA91ZS5F@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 Dana Uehara writes: >Matt: [The Sci-Fi Channel] mentioned someone contacted them >through AOL (although didn't give the e-mail address) and >there must also be a way to contact them by phone (also not >given). >Well, whoever it was, it sure wasn't me (for one, I'm not >on AOL, and for another, I'm causing enough trouble on the list so >I'm staying kinda low on the net for a while ;-)... Actually, I phrased that kind of badly... What I meant was that there is a way to contact SCI-FI Buzz through AOL; but no mention of the email address for them. >And since SCI-FI channel is owned by USA networks, Turner can't >really do much about it! >Umm, I wouldn't say that. If Turner owns the rights to the series >(since it owns HB) I'd say there's plenty that Turner could do. Hmm.. I don't know, it seems that USA networks can put up whatever they feel like, the only thing that Ted could do is not to give out any video clips to be shown. It doesn't mean that USA can't talk about it. Besides, a SK clip appeared on "Lifestyles..." when they were doing a story on H and B. (Although this could have been in the can before this big mess with TPS.) -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 20 00:10:32 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id AAA22798 for kats-ll; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:01:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: (fwd) Re: SwatKats: More "Gaia" than Planet... (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi guys, I forwarded this off of the rec.arts.animation newsgroup for those of us who can't (or don't wish to) access it, it's a response to Matt_W's post, and I'm kind of hoping it'll annoy a few people from Turner who I _know_ read that newsgroup. Andy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:01:25 -0700 From: Andy Hill To: chance@unix.infoserve.net Subject: (fwd) Re: SwatKats: More "Gaia" than Planet... Path: news.infoserve.net!unix.infoserve.net!chance From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation Subject: Re: SwatKats: More "Gaia" than Planet... Date: 20 Jun 1995 03:29:44 GMT Organization: Infoserve Technology Ltd. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <3s5fb8$or@news.infoserve.net> References: <3olb8r$ba3@news.infoserve.net> <3rhu1v$i3i@news.bu.edu> <3rs27d$cgh@news.infoserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix.infoserve.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Matt_W (matt_w@delphi.com) wrote: : Hmmm.. Maybe a typo was made a couple of months ago, and "Planet" was : supposed to be cancelled and a movie made for the 'Kats! : : Yeah, right, wishful thinking! : If Turner Entertainment is so bent on sweeping the 'Kats under the carpet, : I'm suprised they haven't put the series up for sale to another company : like FOX or UPN. Well, it's only a matter of time before the SWAT Kats : are flying the skies again! After all, my favorite computer was recently : saved from oblivion (yay Amiga!), now it's time for my favorite animated : series to rise from the "grave"! This is what's really odd about the whole thing. I've been watching cartoons for longer than I'd care to remember, and I can't think of any instance (for afternoon/Sat AM stuff, anyway) where the creators, people who worked on it, and the fans have made so much noise to such as deaf an audience as Turner Entertainment. It's amazing that such a disparate group could ever come together and agree on anything - but we all do - cancellation was simply a dumb thing to do - even from a dispassionate business perspective. Plucking the harp for a minute here, what other Entertainment Entity would allow a whole raft of licenesed products to hit the shelves next month, and not do a _single_ bit of advanced press in the trades and fan-rags? Here we are in late June, and the SNES game and Home Videos are scheduled to hit stores in the first week of next month - with the action figures following the month after - and the only people who so far know about it are those who've read it on the 'net, and those with "ins" at the various organizations involved. So far the only public statement from a Turner official was at that ABA convention, and "cancelled because merchandise didn't sell" and "it's not a current property" is _hardly_ turning on the spotlight in the aisle at Toys R Us, is it? What's the deal? If they want to bury the program itself, that's their own personal cup of Hemlock - but why pour it down the throats of the licensees in the bargain? To be fair, TBS has improved the timeslot, and TCN is supposedly doing some kind of SwatKats promotion - but they've already missed the boat to have the stuff backed up in the various animation mags, and there have been howls of dismay in the upper echelons of TPS to see the product info appear in this newsgroup...why? I'm guessing that there _are_ Marketing people at Turner trying hard to do their job, and I _think_ they're being held back by something - I get conflicting information, and just like the whole mess dating back to the lack of merchandising early on in the program's run - nobody wants to go on record and explain what's happening, or answer any direct questions about what appears to the rest of us like a licensing kind of "Keystone Kops". (I think I just buried myself by saying all that; please send donations in lieu of flowers...) _____________________________________________________________________________ "The problem we're facing is an MTV mentality where we may very well be amusing ourselves to death because we have nothing in our heads." - Ray Bradbury - _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "The problem we're facing is an MTV mentality where we may very well be amusing ourselves to death because we have nothing in our heads." - Ray Bradbury - _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 20 11:10:33 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA26768 for kats-ll; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:01:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:53:55 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506201453.AA20524@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Action figures and the publicity.... Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I agree that the Kats are getting pushed under the rug on alot of things, but I'm not sure about the toy end of things. Let's take another example: the new series of Star Wars figures and ships. Now I don't get all of the trade papers, but I know I haven't seen any commercials for them, their due out about the same time as the SK, and I don't know of any reason that Lucas and Co. wouldn't want to start promoting these thing. I know some toys get promoted far in advance, but I think generally it's much closer to the actual release date. I can't think of the last time i saw a ST:TNG commercial, yet they continue to put out figures and sell like crazy (yes, I realize SK don't have the following of the ST shows). I'd give Kenner or whomever (anyone know for sure) is making them (hope it's not Kenner after seeing some recent Batman stuff) a little more time to start the push. Plus with all the net noise (Andy!!) and the SK month on the CN, I'm sure they'll do fine. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 20 12:45:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id MAA27588 for kats-ll; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:15:58 -0400 Message-Id: <9506201615.AA13906@cisk> Subject: Steel(e)? To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 9:15:28 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1075 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Some time ago we were discussing on the list how Lieutenant Steele's name was spelled (Steel, Stele, Steele, etc). After copying a several episodes for a fellow lister, I've discovered something that seems contradictory -- and perhaps I'll put this in the FAQ. In the episode "The Wrath of Dark Kat," Steele says his name is spelled with "two e's", which would make it either "Steel" or "Stele". In the episode "Enter the Madkat," however, Steele's name is clearly spelled as "Steele" on the name placard he puts on Commander Feral's desk, knocking Feral's placard to the floor. (For those of you who don't remember who Steele is, he only appeared during the first season and was Feral's subordinate Kat who was always after his job -- tho he couldn't handle combat very well.) While we're on the subject of name placards - has anyone noticed that Feral apparently has at least two different types of name placards? -- =================== Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu) ================== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 20 13:40:35 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id NAA28591 for kats-ll; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:17:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:10:14 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506201710.AA21757@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Steel(e)? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Knew I forgot to mention something from this weekend, "Wrath of DK" was on one of the local channels, and I noticed the "that's with 2 e's" comment. Though you're also right about the placard, this may be one for the Bros. T. to answer. I guess this is mainly for Andy and Dana....It seems to me that when you refer to discussions you've have with the Tremblays, you always refer to Christian. Is Yvon harder to get in touch with, Christian the first one you got in touch with, or does Yvon speak French?? Just wondering. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 20 17:10:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA01658 for kats-ll; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:59:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:51:48 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506202051.AA23642@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Action fig. home page Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy- There is now a Action figure home page on the WWW. He has a News and Rumor page that features up and coming stuff. He doesn't have the kats, so if anyone has a thorough explanation of the upcoming toys. MAil them to randym@aloha.com. The page is located at http://www.aloha.com:80/~randym/action_figures/ Give it a try, it's pretty cool. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 20 21:40:37 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA04499 for kats-ll; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:23:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Steel(e)? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506201710.AA21757@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > > Knew I forgot to mention something from this weekend, "Wrath of DK" was on one > of the local channels, and I noticed the "that's with 2 e's" comment. > Though you're also right about the placard, this may be one for the Bros. T. > to answer. I'm going to guess that a BG artist at H-B just guessed at the spelling, and guessed wrong. It happens a lot in the series, actually - my two favourites are "Cement Machinegan" and "Hanger" instead of "Hangar". Brothers T describe themselves as "conductors of the orchestra", so they don't often have a handle on the vaguaries of the various instruments in it. > I guess this is mainly for Andy and Dana....It seems to me that when > you refer to discussions you've have with the Tremblays, you always > refer to Christian. Is Yvon harder to get in touch with, Christian > the first one you got in touch with, or does Yvon speak French?? > Just wondering. The short answer is that Yvon doesn't speak English. Christian speaks English very well. They're both from Canada, like me, and we're all supposed to have gone through "official" language training so we end up bilingual. It works better in some cases than others, so Yvon probably remembers as much English from school as I do French. I can pick up French now and again, but it has to be tres lentement. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 20 21:42:55 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA04557 for kats-ll; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:33:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Action figures and the publicity.... To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506201453.AA20524@sv1.gentire.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > I agree that the Kats are getting pushed under the rug on alot of things, > but I'm not sure about the toy end of things. Let's take another example: Well, you usually see _something_ somewhere - like the toy releases for "Exo", it seems a lot of the fans knew far in advance of the new stuff. The manufacturer of them was originally going to release them for Christmas 94, but backed out because the feeling was that Turner wouldn't provide the support in terms of advertising and the like, and the mfg didn't want to get slaughtered by MMPR because of it. > I'd give Kenner or whomever (anyone know for sure) is making them (hope it's > not Kenner after seeing some recent Batman stuff) a little more time to start > the push. Plus with all the net noise (Andy!!) and the SK month on the CN, > I'm sure they'll do fine. The toy manufacturer is Remco, and the 'KATS figures represent their return to the action figure market from other endeavours in Toyland. I personally think the figures could've used another revision, but that's because one of my pet peeves is when figures end up not looking exactly like the TV show they represent. I believe they kind of settled for a compromise with the figure design to allow for differences in comic books etc that would've come later. Buzz Potamkin at H-B was ultimately responsible for their approval as they are now. Thanks for the "net noise" credit, but the rest of the choir includes Dana, Matt Weber, Kevin Knoles and a few others I don't recognize from other areas of the net. The noise will likely be even louder with the newsgroup! (Wednesday, at this point, the control message goes out). Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 21 04:10:40 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id DAA06926 for kats-ll; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:43:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9506210742.AA24557@cisk> Subject: Re: Steel(e)? To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 0:42:51 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Andy Hill" at Jun 20, 95 06:28:22 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 746 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > I'm going to guess that a BG artist at H-B just guessed at the > spelling, and guessed wrong. It happens a lot in the series, actually - > my two favourites are "Cement Machinegan" and "Hanger" instead of > "Hangar". Brothers T describe themselves as "conductors of the > orchestra", so they don't often have a handle on the vaguaries of the > various instruments in it. Well, if the instruments themselves are in Taiwan or Japan, then it is rather hard to keep tabs on them, yes? ;-) I'll put this query into the FAQ (as well as an answer when one is available). -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 21 07:40:42 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA07746 for kats-ll; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:24:34 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506210723.ZM12694@tekdev-10> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:23:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: Andy Hill "Re: Action figures and the publicity...." (Jun 20, 6:37pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Action figures and the publicity.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I am in the toy biz and received the current issue of The Toy Book. There were some interesting bits about Turner and very little bits on the Kats. The following are taken from the various articles, pulling out those items that are associated with Turner. And I quote "Peter Van Raalte, vice president for domestic sales, licensing and merchandising at Turner Home Entertainment, feels that its becoming more difficult for licensed properites to reach consumers. "Retailers are choosing fewer properties with huge scop," he explains. "THey are looking for major event properties-TV, movies, publishing." Frederika Brookfield, manager of public relations for Turner, says the company has realized that there is a tremendous equity in its brands as classics. "Our future licenses will be classics." For Van Raalte, a license that translates to a focus audience and is interpreted on quality products that you can build upon for many years is a successful one. "Turner is building on brands," he notes, "We may have an event property, but we keep it alive with promotions and new designs." "A successful license is a product that creates enough awareness and enough demand to sell other toys in its image and non-toys as well," states marty Abrams fo Abrams and Gentile Entertainment. "if you can't sell the toy, you may not even be able to sell the other stuff around it. Back to Me!! - interesting comments, with some names that have not been listed in this forum before. There is also a listing on licensing highlights, which I will list the Turner section. There is alot of animation due out in the next year. Alot from Japan and alot of it with violence present, and an equal balance of non-violent. TURNER HOME ENTERTAINMENT ... Jonny QUest, Tom and Jerry, Cave Kids, World Championship Wrestling, Swat Kats Turner Home Entertainment is introducing "The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest" for this Licensing Show. THe new show which is part of Hanna-Barbera Cartoon Sutdios relaunch strategy, will feature 65 brand-new half -hour episodes supported by all three Turner networks. The show will be backed by a global-licensing and merchandising program in catagories such as toys, quick service and other promotions, gifts, apparel, domestics, home furninsings, back-to-school and retail tie-ins, along with a line of home videos, interactive products, juvenile books from Bedrock Press and on-line offerings. In addition, the company has granted Schmid a license to develop three new programs to create gift and collectivle products based on "Tom & Jerry", the Cartoon Netowrk and such classic films as Doctor Zhivago and Little Women. The Cave Kids is the first-ever extension to the Flintsotnes. World Champioship Wrestling's licensing program continues with master toy licensee The Original San Fransisco Toymakers, as does Swat Kats, with master to licensee Remco. That is the full Turner associated text. I can give anyone who wants, more details on the lisings for the fall and spring, but the above are the only mentions of the Kats. -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 22 00:10:51 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id XAA21029 for kats-ll; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:48:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: (fwd) Licensing - Tiny Toon, Swat Kats, and more To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506220305.UAA29004@unix.infoserve.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Andy Hill wrote: > Path: news.infoserve.net!news.bc.net!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews > From: mrussell@ix.netcom.com (Michael Russell) > Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.tv.tiny-toon,alt.tv.animaniacs > Subject: Licensing - Tiny Toon, Swat Kats, and more > There is a big licensing convention, Licensing 95, being held this week > in New York City. At the convention, property owners tend to exhibit > their "hot" properties or ones they want to "spark" interest in. Here > are some things I have learned about from the convention. > > Turner Home Entertainment > ------------------------- > Their promotional material and floor display do not have any > mention of Swat Kats. The big properties appear to be: "Jonny Quest", > "Cave Kids" (based on Pebbles & Bamm-Bamm), World Championship > Wrestling, "The Flintstones", "Captain Planet", and Classic > Hanna-Barbera. By the way, this year is the 55th anniversary of Tom & > Jerry (the winner of more Oscars than any other cartoon or > character(s)). ...and now I'm writing: Um, you have to wonder what Remco thinks right about now. I wonder what makes Turner think that Planet is anything but stale now, and isn't the whole "promotion" game a kind of "chicken and the egg" scenario? Don't you promote something, _then_ it becomes hot? If the reverse held true, then they'd be promoting 'KATS - correct? It's already "hot" and hasn't needed any of Ted's efforts with the spotlight. Marketing - oy vey. Anyway, Turner announced over the wire service today that he'll be spending something like 35 mil on promotion of "Jonny Quest", with "Action Figures, games, videos - 'The Works'" - does any of this sound familiar? It should - Turner promised us all of the above for "SwatKats" this year. Andy (who's getting rather good at his Ted Turner dartboard; the darts are shaped like Creeplings - fitting, don't you think?) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 22 09:11:04 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id IAA24089 for kats-ll; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 08:55:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 07:47:30 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506221247.AA15067@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: (fwd) Licensing - Tiny Toon, Swat Kats, and more Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy said: > Anyway, Turner announced over the wire service today that he'll be >spending something like 35 mil on promotion of "Jonny Quest", with >"Action Figures, games, videos - 'The Works'" - does any of this sound >familiar? It should - Turner promised us all of the above for "SwatKats" >this year. O.k.- let's see if he really follows thru with this campaign. My guess would be that he does with Jonny, and Capt. Planet. Just to put all this in "the big picture", Batman Forever is spending 65 mil on their campaign. Just imagine, CApt. cups at McD's, and a commercial ever 5 mins. OHHHH, I'm getting goose bumps already!!!!! Ian (Still holding out for the Capt. shooting gallery) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 22 19:40:59 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA02305 for kats-ll; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:11:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:11:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Steel(e)? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HS0N3CPKDE94GK3O@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Dana Uehara wrote: >In the episode "The Wrath of Dark Kat," Steele says his name is >spelled with "two e's", which would make it either "Steel" or >"Stele". In the episode "Enter the Madkat," however, Steele's >name is clearly spelled as "Steele" on the name placard he puts on >Commander Feral's desk, knocking Feral's placard to the floor. Whenever I hear someone say something like "two e's", etc. I would think of the meaning as two e's put together. This, of course, referring to the wonderful english language in which you can have the same sound with "ee" and "ea". (Steele as opposed to Steal). For instance, my last name "Weber" is most commonly spelled with two b's, so I usually have to say "one b" when giving my name. It's rather obvious _where_ the b's are to be placed (two of them together or only one of them, but not in different places). > Well, that's my take on it anyway... -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 22 19:45:45 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA02446 for kats-ll; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:26:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: (fwd) Licensing - Tiny Toon, Swat Kats, and more To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HS0NLWW7X494GK3O@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy said: > Anyway, Turner announced over the wire service today that he'll be >spending something like 35 mil on promotion of "Jonny Quest", with >"Action Figures, games, videos - 'The Works'" - does any of this sound >familiar? It should - Turner promised us all of the above for "SwatKats" >this year. According to the June 24-30 TV Guide a fact file reads (quoted): Viewers throughout Europe were asked to choose their favorite TV cartoon characters: Spain ... The Jetsons Norway ... Yogi Bear Sweden ... Johnny Quest Finland ... Richie Rich Holland ... Captain Planet > U.K., Romania ... The Flintstones France, Poland ... Bugs & Daffy And the $64,000 question is: who was the source of this information? Give yourself a pat on the back if you answered: Cartoon Network Europe What I want to know is if these people were given a list to choose from or allowed to pick from their own free will.. -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 22 21:41:01 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA03448 for kats-ll; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:22:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: alt.tv.swatkats is up and running! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi fellow listees - our new newsgroup alt.tv.swatkats is officially up and running most places in the country. Commercial account users such as Delphi, America On-Line, Compuserve and Netcom; please let me know if you are able to subscribe to the group - if not, I'll inform the newsadmins at those sites that the group exists (most automatically create it when the control message arrives). Some smaller ISP's and Universities may not auto-update - so you may have to ask your sysop to carry the group. Dana and Rat may want to post both the FAQ and a listing of 'KATS FTP sites, and anybody's homepage containing 'KATS stuff if they so desire. I'll let H-B and the Tremblays know tomorrow. I've also posted the announcement to alt.tv.animaniacs, alt.fan.furry, and rec.arts.animation - could someone who actually _reads_ the Disney groups do the same? They're sick of hearing my voice by now. Andy From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 23 05:41:06 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id FAA06608 for kats-ll; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 05:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9506230935.AA17788@cisk> Subject: Re: alt.tv.swatkats is up and running! To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 2:35:12 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Andy Hill" at Jun 22, 95 06:27:58 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1358 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Andy Hill writes: > Commercial account users such as Delphi, America On-Line, Compuserve and > Netcom; please let me know if you are able to subscribe to the group - I haven't been able to get it through netcom. It might be available in a few days, however... > Dana and Rat may want to post both the FAQ and a listing of 'KATS FTP > sites, and anybody's homepage containing 'KATS stuff if they so > desire. I'll see what I can post as soon as I can access the newsgroup. > I'll let H-B and the Tremblays know tomorrow. I've > also posted the announcement to alt.tv.animaniacs, alt.fan.furry, and > rec.arts.animation - could someone who actually _reads_ the Disney groups > do the same? They're sick of hearing my voice by now. I'm not going to post to the Disney groups (and I suggest that nobody else does) or it could be potential flamebait. In general, I think that such announcements should belong in news.announce and general (and any other general announcement newsgroups) rather than newsgroups which belong to a specific charter. Announcing the Kats in something like alt.fan.disney.afternoon is just as inappropriate as someone advertising, say, Pocahontas on this particular list. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 23 15:11:09 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id PAA12253 for kats-ll; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:01:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 13:53:50 CDT From: lynn@gentire.com (Ian Lynn) Message-Id: <9506231853.AA01218@sv1.gentire.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Who's calling. please ??? Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: O.k., let's get some theories here. In the 11min. shorts, who calls the guys. In several of the episodes Callie doesn't appear, so she couldn't be the one calling. Are we assuming that Jake and Chance sit and watch Kats Eye News all day waiting for something to be reported?? Doubtful since they seem to have a fondness for action and horror movies. Ian From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 23 20:11:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA15279 for kats-ll; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:41:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Who's calling. please ??? To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HS22F693LU8X1J2Y@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: In the 11min. shorts, who calls the guys. In several of the episodes Callie doesn't appear, so she couldn't be the one calling. Are we assuming that Jake and Chance sit and watch Kats Eye News all day waiting for something to be reported?? Doubtful since they seem to have a fondness for action and horror movies. Don't forget that the guys have scanners that are always picking up enforcer radio reports. Hmm.. I wonder if they use the BearKat scanners? -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Fri Jun 23 21:11:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15783 for kats-ll; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:54:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9506240053.AA28934@cisk> Subject: domain change (fwd) To: kats@sard.mv.net () Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 17:53:56 PDT From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 1098 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Here's some information that I thought I'd pass along on the list. The important thing here is that the machine that was called "pumadyne.mv.com" is now called "pumadyne.rat.org" (or you can simply just go to "rat.org" -- they are the same machine). Pumadyne, according to the FAQ (which I'll change momentarily), is the FTP site for Kats-related GIFs, JPEGs and the FAQ. > From rat@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 17 18:28 PDT 1995 > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 21:28:36 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: domain change > > Please use the following instead of the mv.com addresses. I really want > to get away from the mv.com domain where possible since I'm leaching > those names. > > rat.org > hff.rat.org > pumadyne.rat.org > > I will probably keep the old domains around for a long time as not to confuse > people, but please so what you can to make the necessary changes. I'd say > within a month i'll be deleting the old domains (hff.mv.com and > pumadyne.mv.com). -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sat Jun 24 22:43:19 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA23870 for kats-ll; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 22:38:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 19:45:18 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199506250245.TAA07969@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) CB is a Babe, off model or no Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Path: news.infoserve.net!unix.infoserve.net!chance From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: CB is a Babe, off model or no Date: 25 Jun 1995 02:38:51 GMT Organization: Infoserve Technology Ltd. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3sii7r$b12@news.infoserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix.infoserve.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I just saw most of "Bright and Shiny Future". Man, this ep is cool for a whole lot of reasons. The only drag is that Callie's character model drifts _wayyyy_ off-model in the scene where she hugs both the guys ("So far, this is the only part of the future I like!"). Check out this scene, and the frames after - even if you take into account she's been living in a swamp for x-days/months/years, she still looks, well.."wrong". Check out Razor's expression on the wing of the TurboKat as T-Bone gets the big hug, then the very quick shot of T-Bone as Callie's attentions turn to Razor - heh! I _really_ liked the sequence with "Pop" at the newstand at the beginning, it kind of shows a bit of T-Bone's "wrong side of the tracks" background - and perhaps a bit of why he became an Enforcer (he also reminds me of someone I know with the persistent "don't bend the pages, Razor!" comment). I also like the "Resistance Movement" theme wherever it occurs in stories - and a further ep along that vein would've been cool - like perhaps they have to break in somewhere without much help from others and the TurboKat - just their own wits, and the skills of their associates like Feral. Some great character-dev can occur if the characters are outside of their normal environments (like Feral without his command, the Mayor without legions of toadies, and the 'Kat-guys without the technology). Might make good fanfic. Animation-wise, there is an _incredible_ sequence with Razor running against one of those famous anime-type "blurred" backgrounds; this is some _serious_ artwork. There are also quite a few unusual camera angles in this one, like the shot of Felina climbing the bridge from the lower perspective, and the very low POV shot with Razor and T-Bone looking up at the helicopter-thingy's searchlight from the swamp. Also, as far as the animation for the robotic laser-platform things on the bridge scene - look how they move - quite cool, and the bridge transforming into a creature itself reminded me a lot of "Trypticon" off the Transformers series. Show me more, Ted. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 25 16:41:36 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA01086 for kats-ll; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:15:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199506252015.AA49102@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" Organization: Ibmnet To: Kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:12:33 +0000 Subject: X-Confirm-Reading-To: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: who kats "Power Rangers is not a bad show. it just happens to be another one of those shows that by some dumb luck took control of kids minds. I belive that all shows have a way that grab us to watch them. Then there's Barney "who takes control of kids in a more rumored physical manner" -Matthew Milam (Mcshade) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 25 16:51:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id QAA01055 for kats-ll; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:14:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199506252013.AB127360@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" Organization: Ibmnet To: Kats@sard.mv.net Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:10:49 +0000 Subject: Alright time to liven the party up... X-Confirm-Reading-To: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I realize things have been getting dull around here some i'm going to turn up the heat.... I recently bought a copy of the "Top Gun" soundtrack and it's great and i was thinking wouldn't it be nice if the people who did Kats' give in the same enegry the people who did Top Gun (For those of you who remeber the movie. "Power Rangers is not a bad show. it just happens to be another one of those shows that by some dumb luck took control of kids minds. I belive that all shows have a way that grab us to watch them. Then there's Barney "who takes control of kids in a more rumored physical manner" -Matthew Milam (Mcshade) From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 25 21:11:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA03152 for kats-ll; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:01:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Who's calling. please ??? To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <01HS22F693LU8X1J2Y@delphi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, MATT WEBER wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, Ian Lynn wrote: > In the 11min. shorts, who calls the guys. In several of the > episodes > Callie doesn't appear, so she couldn't be the one calling. Are we > assuming that Jake and Chance sit and watch Kats Eye News all day > waiting for > something to be reported?? Doubtful since they seem to have a > fondness > for action and horror movies. > > Don't forget that the guys have scanners that are always picking up > enforcer radio reports. Hmm.. I wonder if they use the BearKat > scanners? I noticed that even when they watch their horror flix, doesn't Katseye News occasionally interrupt them for the newsbreak with whatever the monster-du-jour is? Also, when they're doing stuff in the hangar or the garage, the TV is often on for background noise (I do that a lot, too) and they just catch a glimpse of trouble. "The Ci-Kat-a" has that, I think - with "a giant cicada - looks pretty cool..", and I think they also catch sight of "The Giant Bacteria" on TV during Manx's statue unveiling. The "scanner" deal happens at least once in "Chaos in Crystal", when the 'Kat guys come off their test-run in the canyon, and hear all the radio traffic coming from MegaKat City prison. Odd how the guys like action/horror movies - I can think of four other Furry characters with roughly the same taste in TV. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Sun Jun 25 21:41:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA03299 for kats-ll; Sun, 25 Jun 1995 21:17:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:25:20 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199506260125.SAA03085@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Mutilor: Oops... Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: Mutilor: Oops... Date: 26 Jun 1995 01:16:43 GMT Just saw "When Strikes Mutilor" again, and saw a few things I missed the first time around. In one of the early shots, the camera pans over a beach scene past a sign that says "MegaKat State Beach" - which I guess is something like New York, N.Y. ? Next, when the Turbokat engages and destroys the rest of Mutilor's squadrons, Mutilor says something to the effect "That's our entire squadron, gone!" - yet when Felina pilots the purloined fighter into the hangar of Mutilor's ship, she passes at least three more ships. When you look at the initial shots of Mutilor's ship arriving, see if it reminds you of something. Here's a couple more hints - they're after the water, and one of the interior shots of Mutilor's ship showing the water canisters looks vaguely familiar too. Give up? The miniseries "V" from 198- had a similar premise with aliens stealing our water - and the early scenes in the miniseries had the ship's arrival fairly similar to Mutilor's in this episode - shadow first, then this ominous object in the sky. The explanation for the "V" inspiration actually comes from the writer, Lance Falk, who's a self-professed sci-fi nut - he even wrote a couple of episodes for STNG that weren't used. The name "Mutilor" also is a personal reference to Falk, his friend Chris Otsuki, late of Warner Bros. directorial staff, had a goldfish of the same name (he liked to give something as unimposing as Goldfish ludicrously menacing monickers like 'Mutilor'). Falk used an anagram of 'Mutilor' for another villain - "Turmoil". FYI, originally, the idea as put to Lance was for this space villain to be after the oxygen, but the premise was changed to 'water' before it went beyond the writing phase. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 26 20:14:20 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id TAA14720 for kats-ll; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:47:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:47:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MATT WEBER Subject: Re: Alright time to liven the party up... To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-id: <01HS69I3UFJ68X26R6@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: IN%"kats@sard.mv.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 25 Jun 1995, Matthew Milam wrote: >"Power Rangers is not a bad show. it just happens >to be another one of those shows that by some dumb >luck took control of kids minds. I belive that all shows >have a way that grab us to watch them. Then there's >Barney "who takes control of kids in a more rumored >physical manner" Ah yes... This harkens back to the days when I watched Ultraman & Johnny Socko's Robot every single Saturday morning. Hmm.. Seems to be some kind of similarity between the shows. (Actually, reminds me of TMNT too!) I think I was more into the _technology_ aspect of Ultraman & Johnny Socko than the martial arts stuff. Must be why I like the 'Kats so much! (oh, yeah, that degree in robotics helped too.) -Matt From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Mon Jun 26 21:14:28 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id UAA15188 for kats-ll; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:55:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:03:23 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199506270103.SAA16551@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) KatsEye News: Comix 'n' Stuff Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats Subject: KatsEye News: Comix 'n' Stuff Date: 27 Jun 1995 00:56:23 GMT Someone I know talked to Ellen Winkler at Antarctic press (you know, all those creator-owned Furry titles) and evidently there _were_ discussions about bringing out a "SwatKats" title through them. Further talks didn't happen however, because "Turner didn't seem too interested". Dark Horse was also approached, but said "cat characters don't work". Next, I heard something else I haven't looked into, but perhaps someone else knows more than I. It seems that when the Tremblays first started working on SwatKats at H-B, Turner Entertainment hadn't yet purchased it, so Turner inherited the 'Kats, and the Tremblays inherited Turner. The plot sickens. Ms. Winkler at Antarctic mentioned that she _also_ heard Tedco pulled the plug because of the violence aspect, and this coupled with the fact that 'Kats wasn't originated in the Turner universe helps explain a few things regarding the marketing/cancellation. I'll have to ask Christian Tremblay about at what stage Turner took over, and see if he noticed any immediate "change in attitude" concerning the program. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 27 02:11:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA17674 for kats-ll; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:03:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9506270603.AA21399@cisk> Subject: Re: Who's calling. please ??? To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 23:03:04 PDT In-Reply-To: from "Andy Hill" at Jun 25, 95 06:09:08 pm From: duehara@cisk.atmos.Ucla.EDU (Dana Uehara) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] content-length: 677 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: I caught a cold over the weekend that appears to be getting progressively worse this week, so if I chew anyone out don't take it too personally (I'll try my best not to do so, however). Andy Hill writes: > I noticed that even when they watch their horror flix, doesn't > Katseye News occasionally interrupt them for the newsbreak with whatever > the monster-du-jour is? One thing I noticed in the episode "Razor's Edge" is that Kat's-Eye News interrupts its own news broadcast with another news bulletin. Go figure. -- ========= Dana Uehara (duehara@atmos.ucla.edu, razor@netcom.com) ========== "I was raised to always offer my seat to a lady..." -- Razor From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Tue Jun 27 03:11:54 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA17914 for kats-ll; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:50:38 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2fefaa115700002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 01:49:53 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Cartoon Network Content-Length: 119 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Did someone mention earlier a home page URL for the Cartoon Network? If there is, please let me know -- thanks! -Tim From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 02:42:12 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id CAA28361 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 02:24:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Animato! To: kats@sard.mv.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: The ever shifting sands of publishing-dom now reveal the fact that both halves of Mark Lungo's "SwatKats" article will make it into the single issue, rather than the two-ish split I was originally told. Don't look for it in the newstands yet - looks like mid-end July now. It's too late for me to get the plug in for the newsgroup, but we'll try and either pay for it in the next ish, or send "letters to the editor" on a 'Kats theme with the newsgroup (and list?) info included. I've got all the names of those who requested copies, so not to worry - and I'll try increase my order to catch any remainder. Also, in case some of us rarely leave our mailbox, there's a thread going on rec.arts.animation/alt.tv.swatkats which is phrased something like a survey/poll kinda thing asking the following question and hoping to start a flamewar: "Which is the better show: 1) SwatKats 2) Exosquad (Try not to kill eachother in the process)" Two "Exo" people have written their views, I added an extensive one of my own (which was debate-style, rather than barbeque-style), and if anyone feels like adding their two bits, now you know where to do it. If anyone wants copies of the responses, I can either post them to the list (okay Dana, I heard the howl of despair ;) or send them individually to those who ask. Vote now, vote often. The thread is named "poll" or "survey" or similar - you can't miss it. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 08:12:08 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA00559 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:46:04 -0400 From: flogistn@netaxs.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:45:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199506281145.HAA18795@unix2.netaxs.com> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Animato! Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: - "Which is the better show: 1) SwatKats 2) Exosquad *snort* What a stupid question! I avoid UseNet like the plague. Too many morons for my liking. But Exosquad is a danged good show, and I hate to say that its overall quality is higher than Swat Kats. BUT... There's no furry critters, the humor is dry, the plotlines are often depressing, AND... The damned thing's a serial, so if you miss a week or two, you get totally lost. That's why I stopped watching it. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 10:12:11 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id KAA01619 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:03:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Animato! To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506281145.HAA18795@unix2.netaxs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 28 Jun 1995 flogistn@netaxs.com wrote: > > - "Which is the better show: 1) SwatKats > 2) Exosquad > > > > *snort* What a stupid question! > > I avoid UseNet like the plague. Too many morons for my liking. > But Exosquad is a danged good show, and I hate to say that its overall > quality is higher than Swat Kats. > > BUT... > > There's no furry critters, the humor is dry, the plotlines are often > depressing, > > AND... > > The damned thing's a serial, so if you miss a week or two, you get totally > lost. > > That's why I stopped watching it. The "stupid question" is comparing apples to oranges, certainly - and was phrased as it was strictly to attract moths to the flame(s). I can do "moth". Exo had stuff going for it, and I don't think you have to like the one show to the exclusion of the other, but I found a lot of Exo's characters to be somewhat wooden. 'Kats, to me anyway, gave me protagonists that, though feline, were more three-dimensional than most of the main characters on Exo - and given the choice of watching 65 eps of either - 'Kats wins. The "criteria" for this flame-fest is supposedly "character", "story" and "art". In that last category, 'Kats wins, end of story. "Character", you have to care what happens to the characters in order to make the story work - I really like Jake/Razor, T-Bone/Chance but couldn't really say the same for Wolf Bronski or J.T. Marsh, who were "heroes" cast somewhat in the Marvel-mode, and IMO not that interesting in comparison. "Story"? Okay, 'Kats did perhaps a few-too-many monster battles, but that kind of theme was just used as a framework to hang all that great character-stuff on. Sure, defeating whatever giant monster involved lots of cool animation etc, but the way the guys interact with each other in the process keeps me watching - can't say the same for "Exo". Interestingly enough though, the most vocal group of pissed-off "Oh they cancelled my favourite show" is almost a tie between us and Exo-followers, and USA network has set an interesting precedent with "Exo" which may just end up helping 'Kats. USA network has agreed to air the first two seasons of Exo, and may commission 13 new eps if the audience reaction is as much as the newsgroup leads everyone to believe. That's never been done before, to my knowledge, and perhaps 'KATS will end up on the same track - we certainly have at least as much fan backup as "Exo". _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 12:12:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id LAA02744 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:42:24 -0400 From: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu Message-Id: <2ff1783223a8002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 10:41:38 -0500 To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Animato! Content-Length: 1102 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: It's just as easy for me to decide, too. EXO-SQUAD is, without question, one of the most over-rated pieces of junk to come down the pike since THE TRANSFORMERS. One-dimensional characters, juvenile plots, and animation that makes G.I. JOE look like FANTASIA. But the biggest problem with the show is the fact that it takes itself way to seriously. As a result, it is a profoundly dull series. But because the characters are anthropomorphic, SWAT KATS, by definition, it not as self-consciously melodramatic. I mean, you wouldn't see Phaeton joking about coughing up a hairball. There's not a lot of pointless, angst-ridden dialog in KATS. Just a lot of humor, action, and spiffy gadgets. It is like a latter-day Gerry Anderson show (for the under-25 crowd, that's the guy who did those puppet series like THUNDERBIRDS in the 1960's). SWAT KATS is fun to watch. EXO-SQUID puts me to sleep. -Tim ---- Reply to: fayxx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu -- http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m279/fayxx001 -- "My mental facilities are TWICE what yours are -- you pea brain!" -Percival McLeach From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 14:12:39 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA06444 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:04:23 -0400 From: gkoopman@WI.LeidenUniv.NL (G.C.Koopman) Organization: Leiden University, Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science, The Netherlands Message-Id: <199506281804.OAA24877@artemis.wi.leidenuniv.nl> Subject: some questions To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:04:01 +0200 (METDST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 (modified)] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 669 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Hi SWAT-fans, I read in the FAQ that there is a second season of 10 SWAT Kats episodes. My only source of SWAT Kats is the Cartoon Network (European edition). Could someone tell me why they don't broadcast this second season ? Turner does own it, don't they ? Now that I'm here, I have some other questions for you. Any good SWAT Kats sites that I ought to know of ? (I already have ftp.rat.org and http://venom.st.hmc.edu/~razor/swatkats.html) What is the anime in SWAT Kats ? I always thought anime were those doll-like characters with the large eyes. Guido ps. Please post your answers to this mailing-list, I don't receive alt.tv.swatkats yet. From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 19:12:13 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id SAA10629 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:59:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 19:01:55 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Fridays on TBS Message-ID: <9506281901.aa27883@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Are the Kats still on on Friday mornings on TBS (0735 on the East Coast)? I checked my TV Guide and can't seem to find them. Ed From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 21:12:15 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id VAA11898 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:08:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: Re: Fridays on TBS To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <9506281901.aa27883@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > > Are the Kats still on on Friday mornings on TBS (0735 on the East Coast)? > I checked my TV Guide and can't seem to find them. Yeah, it's gone from the Friday Schedule altogether looks like. Also note that the show now airs at 9:05 Eastern starting this Sunday. I don't know whether or not they'll keep it completely off of Friday, or change to another weekday, or quite what. I think I'll call 'em. _____________________________________________________________________________ "Sorry for staring..it's just that you looked so much like the Cheshire Cat for a minute there, and I was rather hoping bits of you would begin to disappear..." _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Wed Jun 28 22:42:21 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA12558 for kats-ll; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:24:04 -0400 From: August Yang Message-Id: <199506290223.WAA26991@ritz.mordor.com> Subject: re: Fridays on TBS To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:23:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1168 Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: Well,you can still catch the SWAT Kats on 5:30am on Wednesday mornings on Channell 11. (This is mainly for Ed who I know lives in the New York Area) Right before Ronin Warriors, (shades of Robotech!) My two cents on the Exosquad vs. SWAT Kats thing: If not for Dana I wouldn't have even considered watching SWAT Kats (they had two guys dressed up as the Kats at a comic con I went to. Ick.). So I thought Exosquad was the zenith of storytelling in syndicated cartoons. Then, the second season came along... with the Exosquad Jr. team. So much for the zenith of stroytelling. SWAT Kats on the other hand seems to have improved it's storytelling from the first season. Of course, SWAT Kats only had 13 eps to produce in the second season while Exosquad was stripped. *shrug* I can live without Exosquad, but I need my SWAT Kats fix... August Paul Yang *still* doesn't get alt.tv.swat-kats -- wntrmute@ritz.mordor.com | For my Life Public Relations and Official Test Audience for the FDC | Still ahead, "Have you any idea how successful censorship is on TV? | Pity me. -Queen Don't know the answer? Hm. Successful. Isn't it?" -Max Headroom From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 29 01:12:23 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id BAA13648 for kats-ll; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:03:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Hill Subject: re: Fridays on TBS To: kats@sard.mv.net In-Reply-To: <199506290223.WAA26991@ritz.mordor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, August Yang wrote: > Well,you can still catch the SWAT Kats on 5:30am on Wednesday mornings on > Channell 11. (This is mainly for Ed who I know lives in the New York Area) > Right before Ronin Warriors, (shades of Robotech!) That's WPIX, New York, correct? I think that some of the independents airing the program will continue to do whatever they want - only TBS seems to have made changes that I know of. > My two cents on the Exosquad vs. SWAT Kats thing: > > If not for Dana I wouldn't have even considered watching SWAT Kats (they I've heard this from a few people - there should be some kind of meritorious service award for advertising the character while role-playing in Furtoonia. > So much for the zenith of stroytelling. SWAT Kats on the other hand > seems to have improved it's storytelling from the first season. Of > course, SWAT Kats only had 13 eps to produce in the second season while > Exosquad was stripped. *shrug* I can live without Exosquad, but I need > my SWAT Kats fix... It showed though, huh? Exo's production values slipped (artwork, if you can call it that, especially) while Kats became phenomenal. The reason Exo got a full second season and 'Kats did not can be laid at the feet of Turner - not the fans. I need my 'Kats fix too - I tend to run the same eps a lot too. > August Paul Yang *still* doesn't get alt.tv.swat-kats August Paul Yang posted this information, _on_ alt.tv.swatkats - so you are able to post to it - your system probably hasn't added it to the text-list of available groups. Try posting to it directly, or add it to the "newsgroups" line in a post to another group - it'll show up. There's nothing in it yet, I doubt many people know of its existence at the moment - plus USENET and related seem to have a _very_ high lurker/poster ratio. _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 29 07:15:00 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id HAA15526 for kats-ll; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:05:42 -0400 From: "Mitch Botwin" Message-Id: <9506290704.ZM9548@tekdev-10> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:04:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ed Rudnicki "Fridays on TBS" (Jun 28, 7:01pm) References: <9506281901.aa27883@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Fridays on TBS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: On Jun 28, 7:01pm, Ed Rudnicki wrote: > Subject: Fridays on TBS > > Are the Kats still on on Friday mornings on TBS (0735 on the East Coast)? > I checked my TV Guide and can't seem to find them. The Kats are on Wednesday mornings on WPIX at 0530 on the East Coast. > > > Ed > >-- End of excerpt from Ed Rudnicki -- Mitch Botwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: mbotwin@fir.fbc.com Tel:212-909-3118 uucp:HA!HA!HA! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- May you live in interesting times! From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 29 10:12:22 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id JAA16684 for kats-ll; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:52:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:02:12 -0700 From: Andy Hill Message-Id: <199506291402.HAA00227@unix.infoserve.net> To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: (fwd) Re: OPINION POLL: flames guaranteed Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats,rec.arts.animation Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: From: chance@unix.infoserve.net (Andy Hill) Newsgroups: alt.tv.swatkats,rec.arts.animation Subject: Re: OPINION POLL: flames guaranteed This "I liked Exo better because Exo had humans" is usually the reason given when people say they don't like "SwatKats". Disney expressed a similar sentiment when the concept was shopped around to them before H-B got hold of it - saying something to the effect "it won't work unless there are humans in it". Disney, I suppose, conveniently forgot their own "Tale Spin" and "Rescue Rangers", but presumably were strictly referring to ac/adv - hence their own "Gargoyles" project. "SwatKats" works _because_ it's all cat-characters - there's no writing "easy out" by making most of the eps focus on human/mutant angst, and the writers are forced to look for other things to give the audience. Enrique Conty writes: "I hate furries" "I hate furries" is a bit extreme - you're cutting yourself off from a whole means of storytelling, not just one show. You personally may not be able to "relate" to a cast composed entirely of anthropomorphic cats, but does that mean you also disliked any of the Disney feature efforts with sentient animal critters? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ -- _____________________________________________________________________________ "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 29 14:42:30 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id OAA19617 for kats-ll; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:18:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 14:21:16 EDT From: Ed Rudnicki To: kats@sard.mv.net Subject: Re: Fridays on TBS Message-ID: <9506291421.aa29130@fsac5.Pica.Army.Mil> Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: >> Well,you can still catch the SWAT Kats on 5:30am on Wednesday mornings on >> Channell 11. (This is mainly for Ed who I know lives in the New York Area) >> Right before Ronin Warriors, (shades of Robotech!) > > That's WPIX, New York, correct? I think that some of the >independents airing the program will continue to do whatever they want - >only TBS seems to have made changes that I know of. Yep, WPIX NYC is channel 11. They've made some changes to the morning lineup this week, like the aforementioned Ronin Warriors, but the Kats are still on on Wednesdays at 0530. Interestingly it's the same ep that TBS later shows on Sunday and formerly Friday. > "...$%#!!@!!, does EVERYTHING have to occur at the speed of MTV?!" > - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", > after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a > "gentle history lesson" Yet another QUALITY program that never had a chance. And people wonder why I watch the Big 3 networks so little :) Ed From owner-kats@sard.mv.net Thu Jun 29 22:12:29 1995 Received: by sard.mv.net (8.6.10/mv(b)/mem-941101) id WAA24967 for kats-ll; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 22:07:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199506300207.AA09163@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Matthew Milam" Organization: Ibmnet To: kats@sard.mv.net Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 21:04:30 +0000 Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: OPINION POLL: flames guaranteed X-Confirm-Reading-To: mcshade@pop03.ny.us.ibm.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.0-WB4) Sender: owner-kats@sard.mv.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: kats@sard.mv.net Status: O X-Status: - George Lucas on the cancellation of "The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles", after hearing that viewers expected constant action, rather than a "gentle history lesson" Is that what he said? "Power Rangers is not a bad show. it just happens to be another one of those shows that by some dumb luck took control of kids minds. I belive that all shows have a way that grab us to watch them. Then there's Barney "who takes control of kids in a more rumored physical manner" -Matthew Milam (Mcshade) "One problem exists today, there is no room for freedom. One example is the new bill that will put an end to internet porn. The question i have for that is if you want to stop that why not stop playboy or penthouse.